Police Kill Motorist Who Called For Help | Christian Glass Case Analysis
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DON’T CALL the cops IF you need help..and the situation isn’t LIFE threatening, because chances are IT WILL BE eventually.
Fear mongering
Right, don't call people with guns bc they will find a reason to use them
Don't call the cops if you have a problem because now you'll have two problems.
Call cops for crime related help.
But that’s all.
Call the AAA instead of the police for car problems 🙄
I have seen a lot of "welfare checks" turn deadly for the person having a mental health crisis.
How many have you seen turn deadly? And how many did you go on total?
@@Catlily5 This one is already an example. What happened to George Floyd is another ( the guy was having a mental crisis, he was scared to go inside the police car ). Granted both are not due to welfare checks but they were both having mental health crisis and were both killed.
@@fc7307Oh, I thought you had first hand experience. You are talking about cases in the news.
@@Catlily5 is literally the same, in your opinion if u weren’t in the scene then it doesn’t happen or it doesn’t exist
@@Catlily5 You are talking to 2 different people
As a retired inpatient VA psychiatric nurse, these stories always break my heart. You just can't swarm a person with paranoia and delilusions and expect good results. Just a couple officers with some understanding of Mental health, patience and honest conversation can work wonders at times. I've always recognized that too many people involved all talking at once demanding cooperation only sends them further into fear. This did not have to go this way. The kid called for help, they should have approached as good guys there to help, even reminding him that he called for help, assure him that he is now safe that they are there. He posed no threat to them until they became aggressive by breaking windows. It's just so sad when things like this happens. In the area where I live, a mentally challenged man walking down the road was ordered by police to stop with their guns drawn, he didn't understand what they were doing and started to run out of fear. They killed him. The only reason they tried to stop him was because they thought he was someone they were looking for, he was not that man. He took little walks all the time because he enjoyed the fresh air. It sticks with me to this day. 😔
Terrible ☹🤬😭
What oh my god I feel very sad now 😞.
I agree. The police were wrong. Some of them should have left the area. Unless he jumped out and was running toward them they should have fire nothing.
I also know an intellectually disabled man who left his home (lived with parents) and was running down a sidewalk toward an intersection (he was OCD-obsessed with the traffic lights which weren't working). Police yelled at him to stop, and he didn't. They tackled him, handcuffed him, and arrested him.
I worked with him years later at a day program where we'd drive on outings. He was still traumitized by the police arrest event, and he had negative behaviors (getting anxious, hitting the driver) at times when approaching a traffic light.
You cannot expect all police officers to be qualified in mental health issues and make the right choice on the spot every single time. It's not realistic at all, it will never happen. BUT at least, when confronted with someone with mental health issues can't they have someone ( a psycjiatrist) to call for help ? Someone who could talk to the person, possibly ? That's an idea to dig imho...
It's so frustrating how, in 2022, police departments aren't hiring and retaining mental health professionals to accompany police in situations like these, to engage in informed and humane de-escalation strategies that so many members of our public justly deserve. RIP Christian.
There's often cases when mental health professionals ARE called in, and the police are told to wait, but they ignore it anyway and just go forth. I dunno it's like they just love deliberately creating situations and violence.
It should be required that an EMT or mental health worker be on call to respond for these situations. This happened over a period of time. They would be if this had happened in a house or apartment.
Totally agree
This is why I was terrified (and still am honestly) when two large officers let themselves into my home because my apartment was mistaken for another going into eviction
I literally did not know what to do and I burst into tears. There's a thousand ways that could have gone wrong
Ask for a warrant next time.
Or use the white privilege card, IDK
@@blacktigerpaw1 would they have to have a warrent for an eviction? I'm most disturbed that my landlord gave them a skeleton key and they didn't even bother to knock. What if I had been showering?!
And I'll bet that you never received an apology and nothing ever happened to them.
This is why most apartment doors have a chain, then they can't just walk in. Pretty sure that's a violation of rental law in many states. Did the landlord notify you before the officers came by? Bet your lease has some clause that indicates the landlord can do so with notice. But the with notice is key.
Something similar happened to me... a cop came by for like 3 years in a row when I first moved in to do a 'wellness check' on some former tenant. I ended up just letting him in to look around my messy apartment so he could see whoever he was looking for wasn't there. Although he didn't just come in, he asked and I let him in. Albeit, two officers would have been more intimidating. It helps to communicate properly in situations like this so things don't escalate.
I used the messy apartment as both a theft deterrent / early warning system as well as to prevent unreasonable searches. : )
Sue them.
It seems to me this isn't the first case where someone with mental health symptoms starts a police encounter with the phrase "I'm scared" and ends up deceased. The cops had plenty of latitude here to not justify his irrational fear.
It is VERY common
True, if anyone hass any doubt just check the policy activity cahnnel .
It's extremely uncommon for police to injure or kill people. This is yet another example of extreme anecdotal evidence of bad behavior of police. There are over 660,000 uniformed officers that routinely (millions of interactions per year) help make the US safer through their presence and good interactions with the public. This is an example of focusing on the pennies while the hundred dollar bills go flying by unnoticed; and more anti-police sentiment is fomented as a result of it.
Yeah because one or two cases is a LOT. Kind of like the whole cops are “hunting us down” nonsense from the last few years.
I'd also be scared when confronted by us cops. They're known to be violent maniacs.
" I think its time for these body cameras to stay on all of the time, both video and audio." YES!!!
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Thank you Dr. Grande for highlighting that Christian's actions were defensive.
This case makes me cry. I wish pretty much anyone else had been somehow able to respond to this situation and actually help him. Even an empathetic stranger would have been better. Breaking out the window was the point of no return imo. It was completely unnecessary, and was an aggressive act. Cops often have to spend almost an entire shift sitting in hospital rooms, with both victims and perps. I don't see why they didn't just leave maybe 2 officers to sit there with him until he was ready or some other option was devised. Instead, these cops surrounded his vehicle and attacked him, ultimately killing him. Unacceptable.
What's even sadder is that Christian likely knew this could be a possible outcome. That's why he told the dispatcher right away about the knives, why he offered to toss them out the window, and why he was showing hearts to the officers. He wanted to give every chance for his own survival by showing them he didn't want to hurt anyone. Yet, he was murdered anyway.
This is such a sad case. As a mother of a child with autism, this is a nightmare scenario. The urgent need was for the cops to hurry and get wherever they wanted to go. Probably shift change and time to go home. Dr. Grande hit the nail on the head. It's a matter of the people that are being recruited. Character matters. My condolences to Christian's family. God bless them.
I worry for my child as well. She has a receptive communication disorder and uses 4% of verbal info. You can't always see the problems!
Precisely. People need to be taught from childhood that the system lies when they say that 5t0rmtr00p3r5 are your friends.
My child has autism too. The fear is real.
Police in America are the GREATEST THREAT to the Safety, Freedom, and Lives of people in this country!
I absolutely agree. They did all the wrong things and I do think they were rushing to get the situation behind him. This didn’t have to happen.
It sounds like they never even asked Christian "What can we help you with?" Just got stuck on a mindless quest to get him out of the vehicle. What a horrible outcome. 😣
I’m sure they did ask him that. Sad part is people w mental health issues alot of the time don’t have an answer to that question. Just cause a person owns the issues doesn’t mean they know how to deal w it, whats causing it, nor how to get rid of it
It should be mandatory to dispatch at least two officers, one with Crisis Intervention Training, and a supervisor to all such calls, unless there is a life-threatening emergency. The officer who is CIT trained should be in charge of the call regardless of tenure and the supervisor should be monitoring everything to ensure proper tactics are employed. The car could’ve been blocked in to prevent this man from leaving in the car or spike strips placed while the man was distracted. There were many options here that were either not considered or employed.
These officers were way too aggressive when this young man just called for help. Then you have the officers in Uvalde who were too afraid go in and help when small children were being killed. The lesson here seems to be if you need help call anyone BUT the police.
When I was 50ish and very depressed a friend was afraid I was suicidal and called police. They said they needed to take me to the hospital, which was understandable, but they shoved me around, cuffed me tightly behind my back, and ignored my request they loosen them. I tried to be polite, because I knew from their point of view I might be dangerous to myself or them (although I was a 5 foot 3 small woman), but there was no reason to be nasty or hurt me. I later called the police chief who apologized and admitted the officers were poorly trained for such situations . This was not a small hick town but an upscale burb in the SF Bay Area!
This probably did wonders for your depression and for trusting psych professionals. 🙄
So. But they saved your life.
@@soniat4895 🤡
Sorry for your experience. We had a similar event happen when my daughter who was only in her teens at the time was having a psychotic break. She locked herself in the house and we were extremely worried about her welfare.
We called the emergency services for help. The police and ambulance arrived. The police broke into the house. Fair enough.
The paramedics were wonderful, but because my daughter was potentially dangerous they had to let the police arrest my daughter and take her to the police station until she was calm and then the paramedics could take her to the hospital.
My daughter was terrified of the police who chased her round the house, barking orders at her. Eventually, they cornered her in a bathroom. One of them secured her against the wall with his arm across her neck. It was so tight she could no longer scream. Eventually, they cuffed her hands behind her back.
Like you, the cuffs were way too tight and she tried to tell them. The next day when we got to see her you could see the marks on her wrists. Plus she was bruised round her ribs and shins.
The thing is, she was scared stiff. If the cops had just left her to calm down now we were all in the house, things would have been so much different. Eventually, the paramedics would have been able to talk her down with me and my partner and she could have gone straight to hospital for the treatment she needed.
I understand and accept they needed to be there to break the door down and to keep an eye on the situation, but they escalated it all way beyond what it needed to be.
@@soniat4895 nah I wasn’t actually suicidal.
Happened in the U.K. recently: A 93-year-old dementia sufferer with one leg died after 2 police officers pepper-sprayed and shot him with a Taser inside his care home.
Wow! 😔😌😪
I struggle with how they can justify pepper spraying and tazing a 93 year old...and with one leg? If TWO OF THEM can't effectively grapple and subdue someone like that without having to use weapons they probably should be restricted to a desk job where the biggest hazard they have to face is getting a paper cut.
Heroes.
@@andrewawakened628 Plus dementia so he would have been confused and mostly unaware of what was going on.
This is so unbelievably sad. Police encounters are dangerous, especially when someone is having a mental health crisis.
*Police encounters in the USA
“Mental health crisis “ what a load of shit . People destroy themselves on meth . That’s not mental health that’s stupid life decisions
Pretty much any situation.
@ReaperCH90 Exactly right. That’s an important distinction.
Only dangerous in the USA hon. I don't think anyone here in Britain is frightened they might end up dead if they call the police for help. This shit just doesn't happen here. Or very very rarely.
So sad and terrifying!!! I’m so afraid of cops and I’m a law abiding citizen who has NEVER been in trouble. My dad is also a retired policeman and I still don’t feel comfortable being around them. Praying for Christian’s family.
Absolutely beyond me why EMT’s were never called. He was clearly in need of a mental health professional or any health professional for that matter. Instead Jack booted thugs showed up and per usual escalated the situation beyond hope. Before someone replies “who do you want to show up when you need help” my husband and I already discussed and it won’t be LE. As a matter of fact, we think it would be less deadly if local gang members arrived. At least their not as cowardly as LE has proven themselves to be.
EMT's were not called because the cucklefuck cops wanted to kill someone that night and this guy was a sitting duck. And people wonder why people don't like cops.
Your husband and you can discuss what you like but *if* you should call 911, that dispatcher makes the determination who gets sent. For example someone calling 911 and saying they are going to commit suicide, who do you think will show up at their door? The moment you say you're going to harm someone *including* yourself? They send the cops. The cops will then behave *exactly* the same as shown in this video. They will tase you at a moment's notice and if you lunge at them with a knife? You're as good as dead--suicide by cop, they'll call it. Has happened many times before and it'll surely happen again.
In other words, don't call 911 because you don't know what "magic words" you're going to say that the dispatcher is trained to send police for, not who you might think. If your house is on fire, call 911 but get the hell out of there (like drive/run *far* away) because if the police arrive they will probably beat the bejesus out of you and arrest you, because they think you're an arsonist lol.
"No I didn't set any fires!"
"Like hell you didn't! Get on the ground! Get on the ground! Taser taser taser!"
@@rolandm9750 exactly. Recently my husband who has MS had a medical emergency . Rather than calling 911 we called a private ambulance service. While speaking to the ambulance dispatch they asked if it was an emergency. We said no and EMT’s arrived in minutes. No rude LE to have to deal with. I just don’t understand why, especially with current events involving over reaction or inaction by LE some people still defend LE.
Another excellent analysis Dr. G👌👍 I can't believe the officer shot Christian when no one was in any immediate danger; trigger happy cops like that really tick me off. I wish there was a way to screen the bullies out of the police force; then educate the ones left over on how to communicate with people experiencing a mental health crisis. It's sad that law enforcement isn't more equipped to deal with these type of situations.. hopefully one day they will be. Wishing you a great day Doc!🤘😎🌵
Unfortunately, the police force seems to attract those types. People who want to control others, with no impulse control and dangerous weapons. A good recipie for sure!🙄
@@opal1367 yes.. unfortunately that is true.😔
@@opal1367 Somebody has to do the job.
Check out the footage. Cops spent over an hour trying to talk him down. When they shot him he was wildly swinging a knife at an officer.
The officers should have had a trailer called out and set up a command post along with a 10 foot chain link fence. Then food supply for at least 1 month should be delivered along with porta potties (separate for transgender officers) . Then they should have starved him out.
Cops are people and have human flaws but that can ruin lives in their profession, these cameras with audio need to be mandatory all the time like yesterday. This technology has the ability to stop so much suffering.
To begin with, It was a complete failure on the dispatchers part to relay the proper information to responding officers. There is audio of this, that was not played in Dr. Grandes breakdown. Poor Christian in his earnestness mentioned his geology tools containing two small knives, which were not even worth mentioning because it was an irrelevant question to ask whether he had weapons for someone with roadside car issues. Then as soon as she heard a "yes" she treated it like he was armed and dangerous and this is what was conveyed to responding officers. She could have said, he has a geology tool kit that contains a few small knives.
The responding officer escalated right off the bat with his threatening tone and demeanor and refusal of his offer to throw out his knives. of course he shut down and dug his heels in. these officers are criminals and should be charged for murder. it's plain and simple to see he posed little to no threat. they could have called the tow company and be on their way.
I am sure one of the Police cars could have towed him out. But what condition was he in? Maybe an Ambulance would be better. Saying he was armed was not correct. I was a builder and have multiple "weapons" in my vehicle, am I dangerous? Also a firearms licence in my country. I call Yanks trigger happy, especially when no other life is in danger. If someone has mental issues what the Cops did would get you nowhere. An Ambulance maybe better, my thoughts since LE not trained for this. NZ. Wild West still rides.
@@denisrailey777 there was no reason for Christian to leave his vehicle. Christ. called the cops to help him, he was very clear as to what he needed. the cops totally escalated the situation by constantly threatening him. WHAT WAS THE COP DOING ON THE HOOD OF THE CAR WITH HIS WEAPON DRAWN?! listen to the full body cam audio. go to TIR (the interview room Chris McDonough). cops should be charged with murder 1 it was intentional. Chris. was too afraid to get out and the cops didn't want to take all night talking to him. it's all recorded on body cam.
Exactly!!!
Yes, reading articles about this makes it even sadder. It's so clear that he was afraid of exactly what ended up happening and that was driving his terror. He was up front as he could be, and they understood *precisely* what he was afraid of--their drawn guns--even stating as much that they weren't going to shoot him. The dispatcher let him down by describing him the way she did. He offered to get rid of the 'weapons' he himself openly disclosed and was told not to by officers on scene--they let him stay armed with the weapons they would later shoot him for having. He gave them explicit descriptions of what he was afraid of (breaking the window, leaving the car), and they decided to make him do both those things. The police decided upon a timeline they had no real reason to need to keep to. If there were other emergencies, they would have talked about it.
If you can't serve or protect 'em in under an hour, shoot 'em, and "move the night along." I guess that's what's written on the poster over the coffee machine in the Sheriff's office.
Cop(s) wanted to patch in to the “gang?” Someone needed to *Make their Bones?*
The picture of Christian making a heart with his hands is so sad. He had no bad intentions and was obviously scared and going through something mentally. He deserved a lot better.
And saying lord here me is just awful
no bad intentions except trying to stab them with a huge knife
I'm so glad you covered this. I just read the Vice article about this 2 days ago and it broke me. Calling for help during a mental health crisis shouldn't be a death sentence. I've had a dozen cops break through my door armed to the teeth while a former roommate was in the midst of a psychotic break. It was terrifying. This could have easily happened to me a few years ago. Police culture is deadly and toxic. Their current training is shockingly inadequate, they aren't properly screened for mental health and personality disorders, and an overhaul of this country's police force is long past due. This is infuriating. RIP 🖤
Ok npc
@@jeekyboi9564 0/8
Your first problem is watching something from VICE and the rest of your idiocy just falls in line.
Sadly, it's not really feasible to hire psychiatrists, psychologists, psychiatric nurses, or clinical social workers to serve as police officers. Even the idea that certified, clinical social workers might be useful in such situations in concert with the police has become an internet joke. Society is not willing to do what might be helpful in these situations, depending on police officers who are trained to be police officers and not mental health professionals with advanced degrees, lengthy internships, and state board certifications and the like. It's just too easy to blame the police, when such incidents occurs.
Broke me as well
"He lunged with a knife" and a cops afraid of a boy in a car with a knife when they were armed with lethal force.
Thanks for your analysis. A care assessment team (CAT) should be called when there’s a citizen going through delusions, psychosis, or depression.
I missed something ....
What law did he break to deserve death ?
All he did was call 911 and ask for help ?
Can anyone explain ?
Good questions.
just a guess, perhaps by calling his hobby tools, weapons, 911 dispatch might've classified him as armed and dangerous.
I really don't understand why the police didn't let him throw his weapons out of the window, then they wouldn't have had to fear the knife he waved around, after being assaulted with taser, etc.
I watched this earlier this week and have been so disturbed since, I’ve been brought to tears several times.
I just watched Jeanne Robertson and laughed all the way through. Do you know her?@Thomas Greg
I used to be married to a Norwegian. I’m married to someone else now and live in Belize. @Thomas Greg
Me too, it absolutely broke my heart. I actually contacted his parents personally to convey my condolences, they were heart broken and seemed like extremely lovely people. This is one of the saddest police killings I have seen.
I know there is bureaucracy about these things, BUT, there should be LEO that are trained to deal with mental health calls. Police seem to get frustrated and impatient and just go on aggressively, triggering the person even more. So many people die when they or their family call for help. I couldn't imagine living with the thought that my concerned call resulted in my loved one's death. 😓😓
Those types of officers do exist. But they are almost always in higher income areas or departments don't hire them. That or there is maybe one or two for an entire metropolitan area and things of that nature. Not that well-to-do people should be deprived of that service simply so it can be given to others - it should be readily available to EVERYONE. If a person claims they are having a mental health crisis and are not an immediate danger to officers on scene - they need to contact qualified individuals (whomever they may be) to come and intervene. They can easily maintain a distance from the scene while still keeping it contained simply by being present at the scene. I can think of no situation where drawing a weapon on someone having a crisis that again, is not an immediate threat to officers, helped in any way, shape or form. In fact, it is likely 100% the opposite. Really sad.
I think the immediate threat determination is the key. Asking independent police officers if this young man was a threat in the moment (not in hindsight like we are doing) might not result in the same opinion.
If we need more crisis trained officers then we probably need more officers in general first. It’s a cycle but we have to start somewhere.
@@YaYa-ke1zr in this case, the dispatcher provided that the man was willing to throw his weapons out of the vehicle, therefore, the cops should have allowed that to happen rather than telling him he couldn't do so. It's sad all around. They didn't need to escalate it at all. 😓
@@AxelordSMIJES 100%. That situation and many others could have been solved with patience. He wasn't a threat until they scared him even further.
No bs your trying to push this off on the officers. You would have a point if they just walked up and started shooting him but that's not what happen.
They arrived on scene they had no weapons drawn they asked him to step out of the vehicle. He may not have committed a crime but the fact he crashed his vehicle is enough for the officer to exit the vehicle.
He refused to leave the vehicle and even admits to being on pot. Giving officers even more of a reason to ask him to leave the vehicle. He still refuses to step out of the vehicle.
They don't draw weapons till one of the officers notices a knife in his lap. That's when they draw out their weapons. Yet the continue to try and talk him out of thr vehicle and he still refuse to leave. A female officer is sent in to try and talk him out in hope she would come off as less treating. Yet he still refuse to exit the vehicle.
Finally they pop the windows and again they try and talk him out. He takes hold of the knife and so they resort to using bean bag guns and he refuses to drop the knife. They try tasing him and he still refuses to drop the knife. At which point he becomes aggressive and the officer resorts to lethal force. They gave him chance after chane to surrender with out harm and he refused.
While your all saying they were to quick to shoot we don't know how long this encounter went on for.
Further more being mentally ill does not negate the fact this guy has a knife. If anything being mentally ill makes him unpredictable and and more dangerous.
I spent 15 years working with police officers. I've seen officers get stabbed by people with mental health issue because officers refused to use lethal force.
Being mentally ill doesn't make you less of a threat or gives you a free pass. You can have officers trained in mental illness and yet everything still go side ways. I've seen it happen first hand. Officer refused to use lethal force and it ended badly.
Also I agree officer across the board should be trained in dealing with mental health issues. Yet that's more training and it means officers should get more pay. Yet the public wants to defund the police. So how so you expect to pay for that level of training and then to pay the officer to reflect that level of training.
I'm sorry this guy got shot but the guy did it to him self. The officer will be cleared of all charges.
A contest the police invariably must win! In almost all police killings and shootings, the police act in a paradigm where they must get their way, at all cost, even if lives are lost toward that goal. They placed themselves in a mental health situation they were utterly incompetent to handle. Instead of admitting to themselves that they were unqualified, and requesting proper experts to make a mental health intervention, they had to get their way, to win, and they did. Thank you for touching on many alternatives that were available to these police.
In most places in the USA if 911 is called for a mental health crisis the police HAVE to go. They don't have a choice.
This is a very good and complete view on this very sad story including when you underline that whenever action starts, we enter a different world and what happened before and what will happen after is not under consideration. Thanks for giving a reasonable view on difficult subjects like this one.
I wonder if the cop who shot and killed him is able to sleep at night. By the sound of it he probably has no trouble at all.
I hate to even suggest it for fear of abuse, but it seems like the police need a mild sedative gas option for standoff scenarios like this.
That is a great idea!!
interesting
You mean to use it on themselves?
@@fredrikolsson7568 no to use on vulnerable mentally ill people that pose a threat to the officers by having weapons on them. If it ever came between me and the person infront of me who isn't in thier right mind, weilding a weapon, I'd chose me. If the police had a sedative gas they could ultimately get them the help they need and everyone goes home.
yes they need sedatives. maybe even laxatives as well
They could have asked. If there is an emergency contact they can call for him to come and help with this situation
Dr. G--solving the world's problems one analysis at a time. I agree with you 100%. They were doing so well until their patience expired and entitlement kicked in. Sad outcome for a boy who needed help. Thanks, Dr. G. Your words are always a breath of fresh air. ❤
Just a reminder I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating what could be happening when another innocent motorist is shot by police like this.
This makes me so sad. Thank you for covering many important and difficult cases doctor Grande, and thank you for always bringing a sensible, thoughtful, and empathetic analyst. Love from Australia. ❤️
I have an anxiety disorder and can go full panic in certain situations, when it happens it only matters to stop the panic. It's terrifying to not be able to get out of the situation. With me ...I have to get home, not listening to me or helping me makes me get to the point I think I will die. I'm so so sad for this kid. The police were heartless and cruel. And savages. I can't bear thinking what he went through.
Wow you just described me perfectly - I have been dealing with this for 20 years... Hope you’re doing okay...
@@MissysAngels Thank you. I wish you the best. The police should be trained for people with anxiety disorders. I think his knife and "hammer" were small tools for rock hobbies. A real cop could have just twisted his arm
And took away that "knife". Maybe a small cut would result but not 5 bullets.
Same:(
I would consider getting a kevlar vest. Can you believe the cop emptied his weapon in to the poor kid?
It’s amazing that it would take more than the initial phone call to recognize the clear need for a professional outside the realm of law enforcement. Not to absolve the cops of blame, but sending a bunch of armed and uninformed officers to deal with something so clearly outside their general duties reeks of incompetence on a higher level.
In a sense, this almost happened because they were forced to deal with it as much as it may have been their mistakes that caused it to end tragically.
They did not need a mental health professional on site to keep from murdering this kid. They just needed cops who are not Trigger Happy.
What was the point of breaking all the windows? I think that action would have increased his fear and paranoia. The cop standing on the hood of the car was quite shocking and unnecessary. I agree with Dr. Grande on the personality traits of the police. The first officer knew of Christian’s mental health issues. Yet, he started the encounter by being aggressive. That was the beginning of the end. Very sad.
I was also amazed they shot bean bag rounds at him with a shotgun. Can you imagine how scary that was? I know these rounds are supposed to be non- lethal, but did Christian know that? Not too mention they hurt like hell.
Ummm... the point of the windows was 'They no longer let me torture animals and set fires.... But I can do this!! Weeeee look at meeee!!!'
@@johnschlottman619 I am not sure if you are joking or not. He didn’t display any anti social traits. He was depressed, afraid I may have had A psychotic break. This would explain the paranoia. I am familiar with this as I grew up with a mother who had the same thing.
@@mp1201 he may well have been speaking of the “Legals.”
Any more, I tend to think that every P.D. has some kind of a police “gang” of some kind, and a goal of may of these people seems to be *Making their Bones so they can Patch In and become Full Members.*
They make their bones by beating innocent people up, or better, by killing them.
@@dennisyoung4631 That is a very good point
Thank you for you analysis Dr Grande. This one really scares me & breaks my heart as a mother of a Desert war veteran that has PTSD, major depression etc. I'm worried for him! I hope this does not become the norm for police officers. I thought that most departments had police specifically trained for mental health calls and why did they not bring the ambulance in like he was asking for? I feel if he saw that there was help for him there, it may have been different...MAY! This was uncalled for!
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I learned earlier this year that, in Albuquerque, we can request the CIT (Crisis Intervention Team), though it's a relatively new program and, when we did need to use it, it took hours to assemble. If more people request it, they're sure to get more efficient. You might find out if your location has anything equivalent, and how to access it in case you need it. Best wishes!
@@wendychavez5348 Thank you so much for sharing this info.
@@alexandrugheorghe5610 I definitely will. Thank you!
@@wendychavez5348 The CIT team in Albuquerque is not new. But there is a new program I don't know much about.
If that police department is truly sorry, they will institute a program which requires onsite mental health counselors (that 911 call said mentally ill to me) when responding to a probably mentally ill individual situation or have the police cease all contact with the mentally ill individual and call in counselors. It is so odd, that the police were almost nonreactive to an active shooter situation in Uvalde Texas. While in Colorado 4 or 5 police officers lost patience with an individual who was locked alone in a disabled car, with no innocent civilians nearby and 2 knives in his possession which resulted in that mentally ill person's death.
I very much agree with you , Dr. Grande.
My opinion is this is a situation tailor made for pepper spray.
The officer closest to the car could have simply flooded the car with pepper spray and Christian would have exited the car in immense , unfocused pain and been easily restrained and arrested.
Why in the hell create a situation where you have to kill the mentally ill guy.
It makes no sense.
Rest in Peace , Christian.
You never had a chance to get better.
Hey Dr. Grande🤗 Thank you for the new video & thank you for covering for this case. There's a couple things I really want to tell ya. The way you present these cases to us, the way you make sure to give the victims the respect they deserve, you're extremely fair, as you always look at cases from both sides, but BEST OF ALL is the way you're ALWAYS able to slip in some hilarious humor! YOU'RE ONE OF A KIND DOCTOR💞🤗
Agreed.
Why were the cops sent when no crime was committed? They should never have even been there. The dispatcher should have sent an ambulance. This young man is gone forever.
This has been a big story here in NZ. My condolences to the family, its just heart breaking. I must say though, unless you are getting caught up in an active crime where life is in danger, I wonder why anyone in America would call the police for help! I'd rather call my husband or dad, I know they wont shoot me.
Over here, the US, cops will arrive to "the scene", before EMT does. Which is a problem.
I knew Christian. My motorcycle broke down. Christian stopped to help. I couldn't reach my wife, so Christian gave me a ride home. During that drive home, we bonded in part over our struggles to find mental health care in Colorado.
Even before Christian's murder, I feared interactions with police. That fear is far more pronounced after seeing what happened to Christian. The videos of his killing haunt me. I've begged my friends and family to never call police when I'm having a crisis.
Unfortunately, there's not much an ambulance could have done either. Even hospitals aren't equipped to do much for someone in a mental heath crisis. Twice I went to the emergency room at the Veterans' hospital in Denver when I was suicidal. All they can do is take your shoelaces and belt, lock you in an empty room, and post someone outside the door to be on "suicide watch." It felt like being locked in a jail cell. I won't do it again.
Even if we had psychiatrists on call to help, there's little they can do either, in a crisis. Brain chemistry is complex. Psychiatric care is a dreadfully slow process of experimenting with the available medications until you find one that helps. My psychiatrist and I have been trying for almost a decade now, yet the most helpful medication we've found is still less helpful than regular meditation and exercise.
I don't know the answer, but involving American police is certainly not helpful.
One thing has become clear to me, over the past couple of years. The cops are an absolute last resort if you need help. They have lost their humanity. They are like robots.
YES!
There is absolutely not one single situation that can't be made worse by the presence of the police.
An edged weapon can sometimes be more dangerous than a firearm. The officers threw away the opportunity to have him disarm himself.
Yes Christian needed help; however, the police were neither equipped, inclined, nor seemed to have much desire to.
Back the blue till it happens to you.
Christian would still be alive had he called AAA
This is the first time I’ve heard a rational and balanced discussion about police personality traits that might be a problem. Well done.
Few of us have been shot at by police but if you have lived long enough most have had some bad experience dealing with a personality issue with one. I’m a white middle class guy who always act respectful. Rude behavior is pretty common and I had one inexplicably have his gun out. It’s upsetting, and my reaction to make sure I never have any interaction with them. They are excessively paranoid far beyond necessary, and for a mostly boring job, in a huge hurry to resolve issues forcibly. My favorite is the serving a warrant scene where they are breaking down doors and all screaming at the same time. Why not wait until the person leaves his house and just arrest him on the street?
They like the drama and the adrenaline rush because you are right The job itself is mostly boring
I'm a kind, law abiding woman, and want nothing to do with them unless absolutely necessary. My opinion is that many may be narcissistic sociopaths. In addition, I have the same opinion about MANY medical doctors, and I'm the daughter of a good, empathetic one.
Thank you Dr Grande. This is one of the saddest cases ever. I wonder if Paranoid Schizophrenia could have been a factor given his age? There was ABSOLUTELY NO justification in this shooting what so ever!! One cop appeared to be the catalyst IMO! Even at the very end, that young man was no threat. It is heart breaking. He made the "heart" symbol at one point through the glass. This has sent me to fits of crying without knowing I am going to cry. I am grieving over this child. I have two sons a bit older, with one having social anxiety. Just breaks this mothers heart. Prayers for his Mother and Father.
Making the heart gesture was my breaking point. He had an amazing ability to communicate his distress when he was in unbelievable mental crisis. Cops should learn to listen and evaluate how much danger they are really in. That cop was trigger happy. Was this deemed to be a righteous shooing? Instead of protecting and serving too many cops have a mentally of shoot and ask questions later.
He almost stabbed the cop with a knife
@@Chevy-hw6lw right? I understand the mental health stuff but IMO in the end it does not matter when you take a swing with a knife in ur hand! Its terrible bcuz i have 2 sons, one this age.. if you dont follow the instructions of the officers with guns pointed at you AND you make a motion that WILL be percieved as aggressive?! In my mind this is inevitable!
FOLLOW THE FUCKING DIRECTIONS and if ur mental health is so bad that you cant follow simple instructions, then you probably shudnt be out in public on ur own
@@1974lionsfan What is not understandable about the circumstance that he had a mental crisis? People in a crisis don't act normal. My goodness... 🙄
@@oOIIIMIIIOo look, the cops cannot babysit every person with a mental issue with 6-8 or 10 police officers.. at some point, you either follow the fucking directions OR something bad often seems to happen. WHY IS IT THE COPS JOB TO BABYSIT ANYONE? The kid swung a knife at a cop! That is not gonna be met with peace and love. NOBODY deserves to get killed, ever, but when the fuck do ppl, adults in the eyes of the law, take some responsibility? And at what point does anyone that says i have a "mental issue" get off of any consequences? Seriously? Obviously this shit is happening more and more in the U.S., so at what point do we give everyone free reign to do what they want, when they want and at what point do we deal with the REAL issue at hand?
I am saddened for this kids family, truly, but some real conversations need to start taking place! So in your eyes everyone bears responsibility for this situation EXCEPT the one that set the whole thing off??
I know someone who was killed by police and he was schizophrenic, had a knife and stepped toward the police.. they did what they do!
One of the first things I would have done (and have done) when dealing with someone who is suffering from delusions is to ask them how I can help. When he refused to get out of the car, the officer should have asked him what he could do to make him feel safe. It might not have helped but it would have possibly started a dialog instead of just ordering the victim around. I would like to find ONE police officer who would respond well while being ordered to do things at high volume.
Yes, some basic skills in de-escalation for these kind of episodes would go a long way. Delusional people are very hard to communicate with and wording and body language matters!
Any officer who didn't fit in would probably either be continually written up for stupid things that never happened, assaulted, or backup would fail to show in dangerous situtations.
You don't know that all those things weren't done and the narrative suggests that similar tactics were used to no avail.
Absolutely. He called 911 for help. I'd point that out, "you called for help, I'm here now. What can I do?"
(In the meantime get a colleague to call a psychiatrist's emergency number.)
I so agree! I do not ķnow what they DID try, but Police often yell the same command over and over. Questions that might help are: "Christian, what can we do right now to help you feel safe?" or "What crystal do you feel is the most powerful in draining negative energy?" "My Aunt is an expert on crystals. She once used one to help drain a migraine from me." "Would you feel safer if we towed you away in your car?" Anyway, just any questions to engage him and possibly find out more about him.
Another example of extreme police incompetence! He calls for help and says he's scared and the idiots start yelling at a scared young man. In many jurisdictions in Canada and the UK have special police cars with either psychiatric nurses or social workers depending on the situation.
We had a police situation where a young woman called the police because she was suicidal. He showed up and arrested her. Long story short this young woman told this story to the police chief at a convention on severe mental illnesses. This police chief was upset and asked the young woman to speak to him because he wanted the details, apologized on behalf of the department and promised her that officer responsible was going to face disciplinary action.
You referred to these types of cops who needed to be kept on a short leash "cowboys."
He was as good as his word. In the UK many police are also trained to work with individuals with autism that have meltdowns in public due to becoming dysregulated. American cops are beginning to sound and look more dangerous than the criminals themselves!
This video made me emotional. Christian’s death was so unnecessary.
Agree, cops escalated and then killed him.
A hour long therapy session at taxpayers expense isnt "escalating" lol
Thank you for your analysis, Dr. Grande.
Just returned from a long and very sad road trip. At some of the 'late night' gas stops, I have to say that many of your dark and cautionary videos came to mind, and made me on extra high alert for anything, or anyone out of the ordinary.
Glad to be home and listening to your video's, Dr. Grande
This case is Extremely sad, and as you said, could have been handled so much better. "His actions were defensive, not offensive."
Your final thoughts were haunting!
Your mention of late night gas stations makes me sad. I knew Christian Glass. Late one night, I had a flat tire on a motorcycle in Parker, Colorado, and pushed it to the nearest gas station. Christian Glass pulled into the gas station, saw me struggling with the flat tire, and offered to help me. The tire was not repairable, and I couldn't reach my wife. Christian gave me a ride home, and during the drive, we bonded over our shared difficulty finding mental health care.
Christian was a loving, generous and gentle soul.
Your analysis is brilliant and well balanced... however another reason I think this tragedy could have been avoided was by calling Paramedic... Christian begged for it many times but the MatchoMan officer was making fun of him and not respecting his condition, including mocking him having a "rock"... only the old detective toward the end talked to him long and soft, it did not work but he really tried... however the matchoman had already climb on the bonnet aiming to the kid, obviously creating even more fears for Christian. Who would not be terrified with a gun pointing to us?... This had no reason to come to this end and I really hope this uncontrollable officer will be sacked. He played the Hero when all he did was sending a young man who was begging for help... Not once they tried to get other kind of help like Paramedic, Doctor, Civil Defense, anyone able to take care of a young man struggling with a panic episode
BTW, I read few hours ago only that the Officer had been at last removed for his function until investigation is done... and that happened only because the story was suddenly on all medias and pressure was made toward his management having done nothing and kept this guy in his position with no consequences for his actions.. another malfunction of this institution
As someone who also has mental health issues, the cops scare me. During the summer, someone instead of offering true help decided to send 3 cops to my house. Two of them were friendly but one was aggressive. They started by banging on my door really hard, scared the crap out of me ,asked me for my name and then told me to step out of my house. (I didn't) i tried to stay calm and thankfully nothing happened, but I felt safer since it was daytime, zoom was connected and I was in my house. I feel had I'd been anywhere else, i probably would have been as scared as Christian Glass.
When you're suffering an episode, you don't know it. Its not after you are calm and in a different mindset where you realize "oh, I don't think I was myself" all you feel at that moment is extreme panic, the need to get away and just feel okay. A bunch of cops, heavily armed doesn't bring that sense of safety.
I understand it's always best to comply with officers orders, but when I'm scared and not in the right mindset, that's not the 1st thing that comes to mind.
Katherine, thank you for your perspective. I am a retired mental health professional. I find that some cops get annoyed with persons with emotional issues and are hostile. Sending caring thoughts.
Zoom probably saved your life. They likely saw that you were live and edited what their behavior might have otherwise been.
@@dianamarie5663 Annoyed is exactly what some of those cops were... only 1 hour seriously 😐 😒 Not much empathy or compassion 🙄 OBVIOUSLY
Exactly
I have been in that situation too. They have specially trained cops in my city who are mostly nice. The regular cops are often not so nice.
As somebody who has add/adhd in addition to physical & learning disabilities my abusive parents weaponized our corrupt small town police force against me instead of getting me proper help usually if godforbid id show symptoms of my issues or not act in whatever way tht they wanted. Not shocking when I had mental crises, which my parents usually provoked themselves. The cops intimidated me many times, unnecessarily handcuffing me plus restraining me (I had clearly never had a weapon on my person-I was a small middle school/high schooler) & one even physically assaulted me, nearly twisting my arm out of its socket as he dragged me off to punch & slap me in the head while also kicking & kneeing me in my lower body. I am more grateful now than ever that I’ve walked away from this with my life, mostly unscathed.
Maybe you should have obeyed your parents and not acted sinister....
Learn martial arts !
He looks like such a sweet kid. Reminds me of my son. It breaks my heart.
I wonder why the cops disobeyed their supervisor? He told them that Glass had committed no crime, so lawfully they could not order him out of the vehicle or detain him. They did it anyways.
And why when Glass offered to throw his knives out of the vehicle did they instruct him not to disarm? Several times. You'd think they'd want him disarmed?
This is so bizarre. I wonder if the cops were sober? I can't explain their behavior it's so irrational. I hope they were tested for drugs or alcohol.
I'm going to take a wild guess here that police officer training emphasizes that police should never appear to not be in control of a situation. Once they move forward with an action, they do not appear to be able to back down from it. Dr. Grande touched on all really well. I would only add that police supervisors need mental health training to also evaluate their own officers before anything happens. Some of those officers are not hard to spot at all.
Police seem to not really understand the meaning of 'control'. When you are yelling and screaming, not only do you appear 'out of control', your impression is 'nope not trustworthy'.
If your reaction is to 'trust' or respond passively to those that yell at you, that just means you have become habituated to the Konzentrationslager (camp) guards.
Not all human beings you encounter are essentially rabid dogs you need to snarl at / beat with a stick / when that doesn't work shoot them.
Another example of policemen with too few tools in the mental toolbox.
They are trained to shoot multiple rounds as well. I have never been about to find a justification for that.
The kid had no gun and wouldn't leave his car. How dangerous to the cops could that be? Seeing that he was noncompliant and not dangerous, the cops should have packed up and left.
Exactly. Police do not carry guns on their person in our country New Zealand the county Christian was born in. How do you think they deal with situations like this all the time? They certainly don’t shoot people like this, they use words, common sense, kindness, and tactics to get people out of cars unharmed! Just because you have a weapon doesn’t mean you use it ! The guy had a knife. They had a gun.
Not just informative, this analysis was absolutely on point. Really insightful and thoughtful as always. Thank you!
Well done. Thanks for your awesome videos.
It is an excellent video Dr. Grande but you missed one thing. They can't legally ask that cop questions with the recorder on. It becomes a violation of his right to not speak when being questioned. In this case the cops/investigators are also his bosses and so they don't want to force someone to self-incriminate themselves. It becomes a constitutional issue. I think this cop should be charged with manslaughter though. It was clear that was not necessary. They put a psychotic kid in a state where he was at peril.
UPDATE: The family received $19 Million from Colorado.
Great analysis Dr. Grande!
“It’s not about what officers can do, but what they should do.” is pretty much the most accurate and well-stated thing I’ve ever seen said in one of these assessments of police action.
I was hoping you would do an analysis of this case! Thanks Dr G. Your turnaround time is incredible, I wish I had your work ethic 🙌
Jesus help that young man and family. Excellent analysis, Dr Grande. RIP, Christian. At last you are safe from the demons. I wish we all were. Someday soon I think.
He was more interested in his rocks than Jesus. Big mistake.
Omg give me a break . This guy was asking for everything that vanes came his way . How fucking hard is it to comply with police ? This dude was off his head on meth is my guess . He was the danger in this situation not the cops
@@Ozfreerider2504 Everybody always wants to feel sorry for the very people who always cause problems and tax payer money. Sick world.
How do you upset a conservative? Tell them a lie.
How do you upset a lefty? Tell them the truth! 😂
@@PizzaSteve-101 Fed up with insane people and those who support them.
@@Ozfreerider2504 because this was an hour or more long interaction. Unless the dude stuck a goddamn M240 out the window, no cop should feel threatened. They could fall back under cover. They got bored, angry, and killed him.
On TV (at least) whenever there's a situation of a desperate person holding others hostage, there's a hostage negotiator that works the incident with the desperate person to achieve a safe outcome. I think there needs to be a similar type of mental health expert brought in to defuse high tension situations like this. I'm sure there would be no shortage of work, and those who wish to enter the clinical field of mental health would actively be applying knowledge in real life situations that would benefit society. Dr Grande, I think your calm demeanor would be IDEAL for this type of work. Your voice pitch and even tone would put anyone at ease. I can certainly attest to your talent for unintended ASMR because I had to rewind this video at least 4 times so I could get to the end of it (I kept falling asleep!)
They literally could have just left. The dude was just sitting in his car not threatening himself or others. They literally could have just left without doing ANYTHING and everything would have been fine. They could have called a forensic psychologist or negotiator if they were so intent on getting him out of the car. There was no reason at all for breaking his windows. They did the absolute opposite of de-escalation. Just ridiculous.
He should’ve complied and got his ass out of the car
@magnetthep153 Guess he should have turned off his mental breakdown? U make it sound so simple🙌🏾
RIP CHRISTIAN 🧡🙏🏾
At first I thought "Wow he's from New Zealand, I didn't think they were so trigger happy there". Then I heard it happened in the U.S. Ah, okay... now it makes sense.
Trigger happy in New Zealand? Are you daft, we don't even use guns. They are illegal in Australia and New Zealand. So no, we aren't trigger happy we don't even have guns , doofus 🤣
I definitely agree cops need YEARLY if not more often mental evaluations. They’re seeing murder scenes, domestic violence, and so forth constantly. That isn’t good for mental health to see that sort of thing often. So evaluating how their job is affecting them and if they’re not able to make calm decisions their job duties should be evaluated.
The sad thing is many of the ones that NEED evaluation/ not fit for the badge manipulate the system because of the desire for dominance and the entitlement it provides. They can’t let go of the intoxication of the bullying fear they inflict on innocent people. It’s actually pretty pathetic.
Every 6 months. Plus every 2 weeks if there has been an officer-involved shooting. The police need to be able to learn how to emotionally deal with high stress properly. I don't care if they find it inconvenient, they're given the ability to use a higher level of force and thus, deserve to be scrutinized as much is as necessary.
Very good in depth analysis Dr Grande bravo 👏
Good Evening, Dr. Grande. Late night treat for me. You Rock!
Please make an updated video on Nikolas Cruz and his ongoing trial. I’d really like to hear your thoughts
Well done Dr Grande!I love how you always hold those in positions of authority to account!..there's nothing worse than stupid people with power..poor Christian!..he was clearly frightened rather than dangerously frightening
Excuse you this was a mentally deranged person posing a threat to brave officers
Great analysis!
You covered all of the details in this case very well.
Excellent analysis, all around.
This incident shows a lot of what is wrong with policing in the USA.
There should be a special unit of LE specifically for these calls. Or at least have a psychiatrist or psychologist on call 24/7 for this kind of thing. He wanted help, it's just very sad😞💔
My city has specially trained cops for mental health crises.
@@Catlily5 that's wonderful!☀
@@GGiblet They are better to deal with than the regular police
Excellent analysis.
This is a very interesting case, thank you for covering it!
As a retired CIT OFFICER trained in Mental Health calls , I do realize that the situation was escalated . Unfortunately, not all Officers are trained for Mental Health calls , especially in smaller cities and towns. I have been to calls like this . Unfortunately tactical training took over instead of Mental Health training. Crisis situations like these take alot of calm. The goal is to build trust and show major concern and empathy. Sad all around .
they don't have all day talking to this loony brat, they did what they had to
It a matter of recruitment and these cops are murderers.
There is no excuse tactical or mental training. This is insane and disgusting.
It seems impossible that he was stuck in the first place. This occurred in June. There is no sign of water or mud. Only one tire appears to be off the road and is relatively higher than the other three. There are so many aspects of his behavior that don't make any sense.
It's those Ancient Alien Lizards trying to trick us, Will Elliot. Thank God there are people like you who know when things look fishy. Tires that hover in the air and no mud or water, but we know Ancient Alien Lizards hate water and mud. Case closed.
Excellent Analysis Dr Grande
I saw this yesterday but couldn’t bring myself to watch it until now. Thank you Dr. Grande it can’t be easy talking of all these things everyday.
What a sad story.😢 Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande.❤️
May he rest in peace. My heart is broken over this one.
I dont understand why the cops ever even began being nervous. It was a call to help a scared stranded driver. He wasn't suspected of a crime
Thank you Dr. Grande, I think your assessment is perfect.
It's very sad that the police when realizing that Chris had mental problems, didn't call a health professional to arrive at the scene and try to de escalate the situation. That may have been a smart move. The professional could have knowledge on how to talk him to calmness? Sad that he had to lose his life while in crisis. Thanks for your analysis Dr. Grande!
My city has a team of mental health professionals who go to calls like this, but the police still killed my neighbor who was going through a mental health crisis.
I didn’t understand why they didn’t just wait for that team to show up, but I was told by someone who works in a nearby police department that the mental health team isn’t allowed near the incident until the situation is considered under control. So, you still have to deal with potentially undertrained police-and hopefully live through it-before you even see the people best trained to help.
@@mkuti-childress3625 that's awful. Things need to change!
The police were totally wrong! Why didn’t they call his parents!
wtf are the parents gonna do.
This is a great point. People with mental illness often respond to family members, parents or counselors. It's also a tactic used by hostage negotiators, depending on the situation, even hardened criminals may respond to a parent, sibling, or spouse.
We might be expecting too much from police.
Next we will want them to find/call a person’s therapist.
If so, we need more officers
@@YaYa-ke1zr they can’t educate people either
@@YaYa-ke1zr lol, did they even know the number of his therapist?
Thank you, Dr. Grande, for seeing both sides. You are Awesome! You are Always On Mark. I don't know of Anyone who could deliver an Analysis; as well as you can. 👌
Very thoughtful analysis. And sobering.
This is so sad. What a sad ending to this situation.
I'm hearing impaired with just enough hearing to appear like a normal hearing person, but only if they enunciate clearly or I see their mouth.
I've been terrified of having to deal with police, especially during masktimes. They'll interpret my communication issues as deliberate obstinacy and hurt me.
Invest in microphone technology... 🤔
@@Gigi-nw5yk lol wut. How about invest in proper vetting and training of Police.
Does the deaf community have any advice or strategies for dealing with the police?
@@Gigi-nw5yk Er, do you mean hearing aids?
@@Catlily5 I'm actually ostracized from that community because I'm not fully deaf amd support surgical interventions for children so they can hear. What I do, however, is carry an ID card in my wallet that's signed by my surgeon that contains info on my hearing implant. I haven't been able to use the hearing aid in a couple years but at least anyone asking for ID could see that at the same time and maybe use common sense.
The universal pointing to the ear and shrugging can only work if I'm facing the person.
"It's not as if they could just leave him there". That's exactly what they should have done. Other officers watching the footage say that's exactly what should have been done in this situation.
Good Evening, Dr. Grande. Well! This sounds interesting. 👌