Do PHEVs work for long journeys ? - 2021 Kia Sorento 4 PHEV
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2021
- I filmed this one a couple of months ago. How much stuff can you get in the Kia Sorento and can that include a bike ? I then needed to drive to Cornwall with both pups. A great way to find out how good the Kia Sorento 4 P|HEV is on a long journey but I also wanted to see how the fuel economy suffers when you aren't able to charge over night and have to complete a long journey.
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Great consumer review and agree I've had 2 PHEVs now and its all about keeping them charged. It's how they work to best effect. :)
Great review. Best use of PHEV EV range on long trips is to use EV on the urban/back roads and "HEV only" on main roads. Save the battery for the first & last few miles. Trip reset on re-fuelling is an optional user setting that can be changed in the config menu.
Thanks for inviting us along and to see what a plug in hybrid is like, seems practical and comfy 👍👍👍🚘🚘🚘
Thanks for this upload, the first video I have seen of a real life long distance test in a Phev. I previously owned a C-HR hybrid and frankly on the motorway the MPG was shocking so pleased some PHEV’s perform significantly better as my next car might be a plug in hybrid
The look from the pup was " What are you going on about and get that camera out of my face", love it :)
LOL 😂
Agreed Sam Moore’s podcasts are brilliant , so informative an relaxing . Really helps me to relax and forget about running a stressful business . Keep up the good work Ped , my Mrs loves the pups 👍
I’ve done them all I think 😜
Cheers!
Always enjoy your video's, so jeal of the view! Keep them coming!!
Impressed with how quiet and smooth and comfortable the Sorento looks.
It is all of those things 👌
Thanks for uploading this, you’ve changed my mind massively about PHEVs.
In a good way I hope 😜😂
Heh, I've always been of the same mind regarding PHEVs. It's the only way to go at the mo.
I don't have one, but would if I could afford one. I paid 1700 outright for my 08 Astra Estate. Really solid car, not so slow, very economical. Owes me nothing after 2 years.
Did my research and this video was the best one! got my Black Sorento this month! great exp driving this beast
I agree. Just done a London, Lands End and return this week, LKA, and adaptive cruise is great on a long run.
Was wondering when this video was gonna drop lol! So awesome to see the pups as well! Hope everyone is doing great staying safe and healthy! What a cool bike Sir Pete! Wow what a beautiful place Sir Pete
I should have put it out weeks ago 😂
@@PetrolPed lol
I love taking my Prius Prime on long trips. I may not get the phenomenal mileage that I do on short trips, but the mileage is still very, very good. Some people say that PHEV's are no good for people who take long journeys, but they are way better than gas only vehicles. They may not be better than HEV's for long trips, but when I was buying here in Canada the rebates on the PHEV Prius Prime brought it down to a similar cost as an HEV Prius. That made it a no-brainer to go for the PHEV over the HEV.
I've really enjoyed this vlog! I'm in the process of choosing a large company car, and this is ticking all the boxes, and this video has been the most valuable one so far! Thanks very much 😀
Great to hear Jason. I really did love this car 👌
@@PetrolPed I've actually ended up with a Volvo XC90 T8 Recharge, slight change of plan based in lead times. It's amazing, I'm over the moon with it and can highly recommended one 👍
I have a KIA Optima SW hybrid which has an electric range of 35 miles. I top it up every night to fully make use of the electric range. I recentlt went to York fully loaded and averaged 59 mpg-petrol only! The combined range at the moment is over 100mpg as most of my driving is in electric mode. I am really like it as it has all the creature comforts I need.
Nice 👍
Journey profile and charging daily is the key for PHEVs. If your daily commute is within the electric range, and you commit to charging daily, it's perfect. You get the benefits of an electric vehicle without the expense of the full size battery. Can't be bothered charging or regularly doing long journeys, then you're much better off with a regular combustion vehicle. I bought a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV at the point where my Range Rover was costing £125 to fill up, and I've never looked back. It's like driving for free in comparison.
Yep. Exactly 👍
@19:52 At first I didn't think you gave a thank you wave but a quick rewatch and I just caught it. Good on you, so many drivers can't be bothered acknowledging other drivers when they do the right thing/helpful thing.
Always thank other drivers 👍
Greetings from the other side of the Channel! 🇫🇷. Great review, and a very useful insight on how the Sorento PHEV behaves on long journeys. Mine (on order with delivery expected early next Year) will have to cover similar journeys occasionally (5 hours trips) so I truly appreciate to know in advance how it is likely to behave. Can’t wait ! Thanks a lot for sharing this review (and also the previous one on the Sorento). 👍🏻
I’m glad you enjoyed it and enjoy the new car when it arrives 👍
Been looking forward to this one Ped. I have always been sceptical about plug in hybrids, however, you have opened my eyes to the reality of living with one. The Kia looks a fantastic motor and is very well specced. Spacious, comfortable and quite economical for a vehicle of it’s size. You looked well chilled at the wheel, and the girls were mega-chilled. Really enjoyed that journey with you. PS also love a Doombar or two 🍺 Cheers Ped 🍻
Cheers George 👍
Amazing views as always
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I also have driven to the the South West recently on holiday in a Kia Sorento 2 PHEV and I can agree totally with everything Pete says. I would say I was achieving 55mpg at first then dropping as you are forced to use less electric. I had a real load on though 3 large adult and a 50kg dog and a full boot of at least 150kgs.The gearbox and drive configurations keep your mind occupied for the best combination. The funny thing is if you go into sport mode as I would do for some of the windies, you will RECHARGE THE BATTERY COMPLETELY. Which is great if you're worried about battery level. But in sport mode your mpg drops to around 42-44mpg.
Totally agree about Hybrids, it’s how you use them. I’ve been using them for 7 years and they work for me massively.
If I was a rep doing high miles, buy a diesel.
One little tip, if your journey is a mixture of motorways and cities, use the electric in the cities and the petrol engine on the motorways.
That way the petrol engine is not working hard stop starting in the city, but on the motorway it’s at a constant speed and not revving hard.
That way your getting better fuel economy, took me 4 years to work that one out !
Nice 👍
That Kia looks as good as anything the expensive high-end European brands can offer but for far less money.
It is 👍
Hi Ped
Good to see the Pups out again🥰 looking as cute as ever. Thanks to your video my understanding of PHEV greatly improved, especially the MPG figures often quoted. Not for me at the moment as torque and towing ability still a major factor in staying with dreaded Oil burner.
Yep. I need to do something on towing 👍
Impressive driving..👏👏👏👏 Great video
That view is fabulous! ❤
Thank you 👍
@@PetrolPed Worth a lot longer drive than 5 hours. 😉
Great vid again Pete. Deceptively spacious car by the looks of it. P.S. Lovely views of Mevagissy Harbour!!
It vast 😂
A plug-in hybrid that has fast charging makes so much sense most people on a 345 hour journey will stop for lunch or break if you could charge that battery out within 30 minutes it would be amazing and really improve fuel economy while the charging network grows across the country especially in places like Cornwall Scotland and Wales
That was lovely! Dogs loved it too!
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Great video Pete.. Well worth the effort for that view! Peter
Oh yes 🙌
Really interesting to see your review. I will be particularly interested in how the Tuscon Hybrid compares
Filming that review this week 👍
Any journey would be worth that view. You’re a lucky man 👍🏻.
Had to chuckle when you were talking about Petrol Pup and Petrol Pooch snoring, as I had Domino and Prince (my staffies) replicating that! 🤣
I love hearing the dogs snore. Makes me laugh 😂
Important thing was your passengers had a lovely safe trip in that vehicle. Seemed very relaxed and content , the Petrol Pooches.
They sure did 👍
Fantástico video. Vámonos!
Beautiful car but I like how my prius I can lie down in the back and sleep very comfortably. The seats when folded down are flat and level with the back
Love your dogs!
Great Vid Ped - as a fellow Kia driver you should be able to change the trip computer record time in settings as I can on mine - unless they have changed it. Keep em coming!!
Thanks for letting me know 👍
Good film Pete. We have an Outlander PHEV. I have to say I'd think twice if I could go back in time. We keep it charged on a regular basis as we have a 7kw wall box and cheap rate electric overnight. If we just kept fairly local it would be a no brainer and we'd probably get the advertised 150mpg. However once you start doing longer trips on a regular basis it nosedives. Our family dynamic means that we are doing a couple of hundred miles every other week. I keep track of the stats using a third market app. I think the best we've had is 56mpg, but the average is normally between 32-38mpg. Quite often I get better mileage from my Mini Cooper S.
I recently picked up a Seat Leon PHEV and drove it home 130 miles on motorway.
Unfortunately, the EV battery was flat on departure, but it still achieved 55mpg on petrol only.
The car coasts whenever possible, regens well and will use the electric motor whenever it can.
Once charged I travel on short journeys around town and get 30-40 mile range for an 90p overnight charge.
I really can't see any negatives about them.
Definitely the way forward.
Potential PHEV owners need to be made to watch this vlog.
My story started almost 6 years ago in a Mitsubishi PHEV that I had for 3 years and 30,000 miles. I got an incredible 105 MPG (75 MPG after the price of electricity) but I charged it every day and during the day. However if you don't do this you will obviously get less MPG than a none PHEV version (maybe 30 MPG)
In fact Mitsubishi told me that if you do 100 or more miles a day then buy the diesel version.
Interesting 👍
@@PetrolPed there's something more interesting.. The battery degradation is awful from 32 miles to 22 miles. There is a good reason why this happens.. Every time you charge to the real 100% I know this because there is no break regeneration until you have done a few miles. This of course will destroy the batteries. Other EVs don't give you access to 100% so when it says 100% it's not, proof because regeneration still works fine. And the batteries don't get hammered.
I just picked up my new honda civic ehev from cardiff. 4.5 hour journey back on A/B roads most of the way and got over 65mpg. Absolutley made up with it. Only used quarter of a tank back up to liverpool. You really need to try one. Best car iv driven in years
That Kia looks awesome, I had a brand new Outlander Phev for a company car in 2017, on a run to Cambridge from Bolton and it averaged around 30MPG.
Totally agree 30 mpg running petrol and electric., if your driving on a regular basis that distance you are better with diesel, my daily run to and from work is usually 20 miles, I can go 3 months without filling up (after 3 months warning light comes on dash telling you to fill with fresh petrol)
Ty. Very interesting. Persuaded me that PHEV is a good way to go!
Great 👍
I always love your trips to Meva, interesting to see the journey in different cars. I normally use the coast road through Dorchester, looks like you took the A303?
I agree with you on driving "chill out" cars on a long journey, next time I visit Meva hopefully I'll be in my new RAV4 HEV, be interesting to see what mpg I'll get in that.
I use that road too. Just depends on time of day/year and expected traffic 👍
Seats look very Audi like, and the dash has a Merc look to it. Not a bad combo. Love that view!
It’s a well put together car 👍
Thanks for the video, great as always. Not sure if it has been mentioned but the fuel up journey reset can be toggled to off in the settings. :)
Thanks for this. A few people have told me what I was doing wrong 😜😂😂
Just taken my hybrid Sorento to France and back including 1x miniature schnauzer and family of 4. Boot took the lot, very relaxing with auto cruise and lane assist (even on the 2)and car performed really well. Very similar to your story, including mpg. However I don't get as much electrical assistance on the shorter journeys....great review
Thanks Alice 🙏🏻 AND you have a Schnazuer 👏👏👏👏
It's a good thing you mention about charging the Hybrid to get better MPG Pete , I meet so many Business Customers delivering Corporate Fleet Demo Vehicles, I can only count on ONE hand the amount of people who actually charge them . It makes no financial sense in my view. Great video mate
Cheers Bud 👍
You can change the settings for drive information resseting - to manual, automatically when car is parked, automatically when you refill.
I am so pleased it’s not just me, regarding rattle noises in the car 🤣
Hi loved your video. I have the hybrid only version and can confirm your findings, it’s a super comfortable ride. Not sure if your car has a heads up display through the windscreen which i find immeasurably useful together with the indicator wing mirrors appearing in place of the dials. Well done Kia
Totally agree!
Another well structured review Peter and what looks and feels like a cracking motor. I think the only things preventing the Sorento, other KIA models, the brand and other brands from this part of the world becoming mainstream in the UK are brand snobery and perceived status. If people look past the two aforementioned things and look at 'value' this becomes a 'no brainer' and will become even more so as EV's move into mainstream.
I agree. A few years ago they were poorly made with cheap materials. That is not the case anymore 😜
Totally agree, " I think the only things preventing the Sorento, other KIA models, the brand and other brands from this part of the world becoming mainstream in the UK are brand snobbery and perceived status." I own a Kia XCeed, top of the range, this is my 3rd consecutive Kia, all from bran new, Excellent motors, cheap to run, Kia service is wonderful, much cheaper than Toyota for instance, cars very well equipped, even the basic of each model, other makes would be optional, the cars look stunning, as I keep saying: "I don't by badges, I use my money wisely, it will never be a choice, either a bran new car? or a holiday? NO!!! I will have both.
Reliability? in 3 different Kias, never broke down, no faults, no worries and that's that.
Looking forward to doing that journey with the MINIs at the end of September!
I bet you are 👍
Literally, ‘Everyman and his dog has gone to Cornwall this summer’.
😂😂😂
How funny, seeing you finish this video in Meva, we have a place a few doors down from you in Lower Well Park!
No way…neighbours 👍
Love the view
Thanks. It’s pretty special 👍
I'm not gonna lie, that podcast is pretty great 🤣. I'm also considering a PHEV for the family car, seems to be a nice middle ground if you charge it all the time and are mostly shorter journeys.
Actually as pointed out below, do you even need a plug-in hybrid? A straight hybrid from Lexus/Toyota for example does a damn good job.
😂😂😂
Good evening buddy, I really liked this car, it just seemed to fit the box. I showed the Father in law, but they decided to opt for a Volvo I believe. I’m unsure of the model at this time. I would have this Sorento in a heart beat, that’s coming from an Audi fan. 👍👍👍
Good to hear 👍
Have a good time 👍🏿🙏🏾👍🏿
Ohh, Doom Bar, the best amber ale with such a view from the deck! That makes me jealous :)
I enjoyed watching the Video. A popular choice with Caravan owners
Indeed 👍
Hi Ped. I have this car as well and I absolutely love it. I live in the Netherlands and I just recently took her on a long trip via ferry through Dunkirk to Dover then onwards to Birmingham, a whopping 8hr drive and it was fantastic. On the your point about the trip reset when the tank is refilled, I have found that this can be switched off via a setting in the setup menu. Hope this helps!
Hi Gareth, how was the MPG on this journey? I'm getting one and will do around 500miles a week and interested to se what the real world MPG is! Cheers
Also,love the view from Cornwall house,can you move that wooden telegraph poll though?!
Sadly it’s a power line 😢👎
PHEVs are a good compromise for fear of range and charging but as an EV driver for the last 3 years, it's not difficult to make it work..... in fact check out my road trip to the coast in a VW ID3.
Skipped the phev myself . Driving a full ev the past 5 years after coming from a Citroen DS4 EcoTec Diesel. The biggest thing that put me off a phev was the high cost of Maintenance as theyre really complicated with an Electric Motor, Petrol Engine , Battery and all the management systems that go with it. I did a lot of research before going full ev. All that extra weight makes them very inefficient compared to a bev. The Growing Charging Network should make people less nervous about range. I would like to see the Price of New EVs coming down though as I think the legacy manufacturers are keeping the prices high so it doesnt interfere with their legacy Car Sales. China is going to flood the market with Full Electric cars and as Sandy Munroe recently said the Big US and European manufacturers have no more than 5 years left otherwise theyll struggle to survive if they dont start switching to Full Electric cars now. Youve already got the MG/ZS ev in Europe and Xpeng are shipping their G3 and this week the Tesla like P7 has arrived in Norway. NEO have already opened Stores in Norway so it could be like the Japanese take over of the Car industry . Was watching Sandy Munroe on TH-cam and he said there are 300 EV Manufacturers in China.
Took my A class PHEV down to bath a couple of weeks ago 3 hour each way trip. Managed to get 15% battery back
So Ive just realised i can stream spotify through Waze on my phone into the bluetooth of the Jag, so my trip home from Sunderland was accompanied with the most excellent podcasts of Behind the Glass and Mr Sam Moores, i must say a brilliant suggestion and review wasnt bad either but for now getting 54-60 MPG from a 2.2 TD XF means no PHEV or EVs for me for a while
Awesome review Ped. Deciding between the New Sorrento hybrid, New Santa Fe hybrid or 2022 Skoda Kodiaq (2.0 Diesel as no hybrid). Current driving a Lexus IS300h executive with all the trimmings but need more boot space. Which SUV stands out the most for you if you were making such a switch? Thanks
Pete, another great video and you have answered a useful question - as I assumed the hybrid ‘EV’ vehicles used the electric side of the vehicle during normal running to help with fuel consumption but from what you explained, the EV element is only a slow speed ‘local running’ aide? So I assume they are design to run in electric mode in towns and then use the combustion engine for ‘real world’ driving. Which means some of the figures quote for MPG are heavily influenced by local slow speed journeys?
When not in EV only the electric motor works in conjunction with the ICE 👍
so jealous of that view
It’s pretty special 👌
I was all for going full electric for my daily drive, but wife wanted 4wd so we settled on a Countryman PHEV. We always plug in at home and now even take an extension lead on our holidays just in case the holiday cottage might have a suitable plug point we can get to for an overnight charge. Mini PHEV though only has a 3kW internal charger so to be honest public charging is a guilt trip. In the time it would take to charge the 10kWh battery pack of the Mini PHEV on a public charger you could fully charge three Teslas!
😂😂😂
Interesting vid.Those streets look very narrow.Good to see the pooches.
They are 😜😂
So much better than a fully electric car no range anxiety , probably as comfortable as anything twice the price also .👍
Also still have to pay for fuel though, full ev would be much cheaper. 65mpg very impressive though for a big SUV!
Just watched the rest, 39mpg ok
Unless you charged in public 🤔
A lot would depend on the balance of use, but one of the potential problems with PHEV ones is the relatively short ‘shelf life’ of E10 petrol. In some circumstances, one could end up with a tankful of out of date fuel.
KTBFFH 👍
Thoroughly enjoyed the video and the doggies are dead cute! Re fuel economy, not terribly impressed with those numbers for a longer journey. Our 5.0 Mustang returns 30 plus on a trip and I know which car I’d rather have. Sounds like EV and PHEV only become worthwhile for shorter trips. How long does it take to charge the Kia on a standard three pin plug?
Ps, that first cold one is always the best right?
It’s not a huge battery so easily over night and yes the first one is the best 👌
I don't have a Kia as an f.y.i.
Where I stumble with my PHEV is when I forget to switch it back from overnight charge (to take advantage of non-peak pricing) at the house to "charge now."
A couple of times I have come back from getting groceries and lunch or other errands that take 15 minutes or more, unplug and then discover that not a single electron was passed from the public charger to the car. Whoops.
I am now going to make it part of the pre-departure checklist to verify that the car is in "charge now" before backing out of the garage.
Tis indeed quite impressive. Fuel consumption not as good as my 08 Astra Estate, I get 45 local and around 50 on a longer journey if I'm not in a hurry.
Great to see the Petrol Pups happy in the car (zero vom!).
Also good when we get zero vom 😂
@@PetrolPed Absolutely! 😁
thanks for posting, really interesting on the PHEV, it changed my opinion , good quality car and your place in Mevagissey looks great
Thanks Peter 👍
That's good mpg for a car that size and weight. As an everyday proposition I like it more and more.
An impressive car 👍
I have to agree with you on your assessment of the overall consumption figures of plug in hybrids. A couple of years ago when I was working away from home in Hertfordshire (I live in Cornwall near Meva!) so had a weekly commute of 600mls. My 07 plate Volvo V70 diesel estate would give me 42/43mpg and if I drove carefully on a run I could achieve 50mpg with an easy 600ml + on a tank. One weekend I had a Mitsubishi PHEV to test. I left home with a fully charged battery but by the time I’d got onto the A30 I had basically used the battery power and, driving at the same speed as I would in my old Volvo, I couldn’t make Hertfordshire without having to make a fuel stop at Reading averaging low 30’s mpg. So I do not see where the progress is when I could achieve better consumption with my trusty old Volvo than the shiny new hybrid? …. As you say a lovely car in every other way, but unless you are only doing short journeys there’s little benefit in terms of fuel consumption. Buy because you like the car but don’t claim to be ‘saving the planet’!!
This is the review I needed. Looking at the outlander but I make a 500 mile round trip every fortnight to Yorkshire from Bath. This journey concerns me for the MPG. My daily commute is 20 miles so would be able to do EV only. But the fortnightly trip North might make the PHEV pointless. Guessing from your review you’d say so?
@@ryanwaite4283 this is my issue, not quite as far but i do 240 round trip 3 time a month (because of my shift pattern), now the EV part would be great at work and at home, but my concern is the 120 mile each part between home and work, and whether its better to just go to HEV.
Big car for a 1.6 engine and auto box. Does it feel under powered compared to the last diesel auto or similar diesel auto SUV? I know you said not a sports car in a past review but nice to have some pull like even any decent 2.0 TD car of the last few years. Always like the videos
Hybrids use one or both of ICE and EV, so you need to add the HP of both.
Nice review thank you. Surprised you didn't take the pedal off the side of the bike that was face down, just to spread the load a little more.
Waiting for it to launch in Canada finally which may happen this Autumn. My 19 Niro PHEV doesn't have the modes like the newer models, just EV only or HEV. So i tend to stick it into HEV when i leave the city limits and keep the EV only until i next arrive in a built up area. I find in certain conditions it will start to gradually recharge the battery (not fast motorways or A roads). Not sure if this is my new car yet. Hyundai launching the Santa Cruz pickup with the possibility of this same drivetrain (as it's Tucson stablemate already has) has me thinking i may finally be able to get a pickup that keeps with my attempt at keeping greener.
Another enjoyable episode
With an EV already I decided to not go for a hybrid for my car as nearly every trip is a long one (200 mile return is about the minimum) where the battery and motor will largely be just extra weight.
I think the X5 45e is a great option though but I need the prices to drop a bit first!
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
I have one on order here in US, an X5 45e. I'm looking forward to it as a lot of my driving is local and it should be interesting to see the improvement over the Escalade. Which is by far the best road trip car across America I've every owned. You would never set in a compact for 11/13 hours behind the wheel and still feel fresh when you called it a day. Now before you pipe up and slander the Beast. It gets 20/21 all day long at 80 mph on the open road at 1800 rpm's. The X5 might be 21/22 at the same speed that's yet to be discovered. It's the intown driving that interest me the most about the PHEV. Stay tuned!
“Kio” Sorento?? 😆 entertaining as ever 👍
Oops 🙊
As a boy I used to fish in that harbour when living nearby. Now I'm an exile but don't miss the tourist ( Emmet) crowds :-)
We don’t tend to go down during the peak of the summer 👎
@@PetrolPed neither do we :-)
It’s a holiday let though👎
I have a 2018 Sorento and I love it. On a long run I would expect 33 mpg from the 2.2 diesel. I think you indicated about 40mpg from the phev. However I would like to see the charging cost factored into the comparison. (Which it never seems to be in these comparisons). Whatever the adjustment it would bring the comparisons closer together. Something like fuel cost per 100 miles would be a good measure.
The Sorento has a 13.8 kWh battery and would have used it all on this run. At the usual 12p per kWh or so thats about £1.66 for a complete battery full to empty.
For a direct comparison to your 33mpg over 200 miles your cost at todays average fuel prices (£1.33/l or £6.04/gal for unleaded, £1.35/l or £6.13/gal for diesel) would be roughly £37.15 while the plug-in would cost roughly £30.20 of petrol and £1.66 or electricity - total £31.86 which leaves the plug-in £5.29 better off over all.
The longer the run and higher the speed/load, the more it will lean toward the diesel. The shorter the run and lower the speed/load the more the plug-in will gain.
For instance if you drag a caravan 400 miles I could see the diesel costing significantly less while if you potter around short town runs the plug-in is going to be miles better.
@@siraff4461 fair play. That reply is bang on.
@@dannyfree1120 Thank you. I've run electrics and combustion cars for a very long time so I'm used to doing the maths. I think if more people understood exactly what the results are it may help them with buying decisions.
and 10 grand for a new battery in 8 years time..plus dealers where i live wont trade in any cars like this once over 5 years old. you save nothing buying this crap. it's a marketing scam
@@siraff4461 dont forget the 10k you will need to save up for a new battery in 8 years time rotfl. this crap is just a a marketing scam. i know as i own a hybrid.
my sons non hybrid same car is better on mpg..all utter bollox
It has three trips. Two you reset at your leisure and another that can be set either to reset after a few hours idle or when refuelling. The third also can be reset at your command or left for an overall reading over a long period.
I get a consistent 39mpg average on my diesel version and 44 on a long journey.
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@@PetrolPed
Did 60 miles of Welsh coast A roads yesterday and averaged just over 50mpg. Overall average over 320 miles, mostly shortish journeys to town and back is 39.8mpg. Yes, the hybrid would achieve better mpg for those short journeys but if not for the current plague my journeys would be far longer than they are and I'm confident that my overall average would increase to around 45mpg, which is half as much again as I got from my first new car, which was a 1977 Fiesta 1300S.
That Bianchi tracksuit top is ACE!
It my fav 👌
I regret not being able to replace my 2005 Sorento. The best car I have ever owned for comfort, space, and long-distance driving.
I have an 04 and know exactly what you mean. Mine will need to go at some point in the near future I think, but hopefully I can replace with a newer model.
Polkirt Hill is always tricky.
It sure is 😬
Those seats look seriously comfy!! I'm still not entirely convinced with the electric / PHEV / hybrid thing to be honest.. We have Kia Sorento's for some of our specialist instructors at work and they don't bother with the charging system, they just fill them with petrol and go..
And, looking forward to a week in The Kerno next month.. Will be good to get the i30N on those A and B roads.
It was a very comfy car 👍
Not sure I understand the premise of this video. A PHEV has electric range for running around town. For long trips it is just a hybrid car. Of course it is good for a road trip.
Hi Peter, I could not go back to a Petrol car only and in the future plan to stay with a hybrid vehicle as the MPG with my e:HEV I get 53.8 mpg around town and it costs me less than £20 per week to run. The problem is I could not have a PHEV as I cant get a cherger installed and thats the problem I face. I also don't see many chargers on Merseyside and thats when they work so I will face problems in the future and possibly won't have a car after 2030 unless things change. KiA make great cars but I found Honda the better deal for me just a bigger car and with 4 adults the Kia Niro could not match are needs as a family. A great video Peter I enjoyed this one. Best Wishes Alan B x P.S. On a full tank I get 648 miles after the 2 months I think it's a true number
Thanks Alan 👍
Wow, those little streets in Cornwall are rather tight! 😳
They sure are 👍
"pickled onion monster munch" ......nectar from the god's 😁😁😁
Hi Ped. Great film, thanks for taking us with you. The Kia looks like a great car and I must say i think I would now concider a hybrid next car. Pure EV isn't really viable in my mind at present with range and lack of infrastructure.
What an amazing view! Very jealous! Enjoy the cycling, great place to ride if you like hills :-)
It is VERY bumpy 😂
Lovely looking car and should be at 45K !!! Watch Guy Martin try to beat the world record 1/4 mile in an electric car. Want an electric car but way out of my price range but yet another great vid with tuna and mayo and MONSTER MUNCH Yum
I work with Moggy who owns that Beetle. I’ve even driven it….
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@@PetrolPed Yeah and I saw that!!! Thats when i said to the other half PP has driven that! "who is PP" Women!!! So this scalextric Hendy Escort can i send it to you please it would make my day. Taken the wing mirrors off it so the don't get broken
Must say, the economy seems poor for a hybrid car. I know it’s a fair size car, but my M340i (which I know is smaller, but is still a decent size car) gets 40+ on a run. I suppose if you just do short trips in the Kia, it will be more economical, but you don’t really buy a car of that size and practically, to just drive around town. Must say, it doesn’t really stack up & make sense for me. Great video as always though.
Yeah those huge vehicles like the sorento are just a joke in my mind. Only pillocks have them to drive in town/city centres. Ruddy ugly too.
A couple of points - firstly you're comparing something the size of an X5 to a 3 series and secondly there is a trade off for that electric range which is weight.
Your 3 might get 40+ on a run but it ain't getting 100+ on sub 20 mile runs.
Plug-ins are designed to do the daily runs on mostly or all ev then offset some of the distance on long trips. If you just want long trip mpg you're going to be much better off with a diesel.
@@sydsnott5042 Big car baaad.
Of course on most town runs its doing less harm than your 1.0l Fiesta (or whatever other similar sh1tbox you're judging others choices from) but you keep waving the flag against "waste"...
@@sydsnott5042 Some folk have children (and more than 2), I suppose they could buy two small cars and run them everywhere to keep the likes of you happy, Not.
The sorrento is a damn ugly car and of a stupid size.
@si raf I'm not comparing it to any car what so ever so where you got that from I've no idea.
@ pops I know only to well families have none than 2 and 3 children. I've got 4 and 10 grandkids. Oh what type of car did I have for 4 kids? The Ford S Max which is smaller than the ugly beast yet holds as much.
So get off your ruddy high horses you pillock lovers
Ah what a nice ride. You picked up on the ABC, always be charging. I have a BEV and before that i had a PHEV a BMW330e (2017 model) which was absolutely awful for long trips, MPG went through the floor. But over total ownership over 3 and a bit years it averaged 180+mpg. For lots of people like me most trips are within the EV range. Day to day around town and local you maybe hit the range of that PHEV of mine a few years back a couple of times, now they are up to 50ish almost all local trips are covered and the slightly less than stellar MPG you get on a road trip of a few hours like yours that for most is not regular. Yes i have a BEV so i'm kinda bais but most people do not realise how few miles they do each day they just worry about those big trips which are few and far between. I'm not a PHEV hater like lots of BEV owners i think they are brilliant in that they will show ppl who do small trips everyday that they can go for an EV. I recently did a long trip with no planning purposely just to prove to myself it can be done. Time waiting at chargers? 0 not 1 second did it while i slept. costs of the trip £8 and i went from the east coast of the uk to Liverpool then down to telford and via Nottingham and a few cities. Was a great get away after being locked up for a while. Charging was not an issue and £8 for the miles we did was just amazing considering we went from one side of the country and back again.
It resets the trip when you fill up and can be changed in the settings menu 👍 but the car has gone so that's not much use to you now 😅
Petrol Ped, what Kw are you getting on a public charging point or at your place with a wall charger? are you getting 7kw?
Thanks for the video. I'm considering this Kia and the Toyota Highlander PHEV Hybrid. What is your honest opinion on the comfort factor of the driver and passenger seating? My wife has back issues, so seating comfort is most important on longer trips like yours.
Not driven the Highlander but the Kia is super comfy on a long journey 👍
The extra road tax for £40k+ puts me off