How to Connect a Vintage Receiver to an External Preamp or Amplifier
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- Some vintage receivers allow you to separate the internal preamp and amp sections on the rear of the unit, allowing you to connect an external preamp or amplifier. This short video shows you how to quickly connect each component to a vintage receiver and also help you determine if it's possible to do so with your receiver.
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Good info young man. I am using tape monitor 1 to connect a tube buffer to one vintage receiver, and tape monitor 1 to connect a remote volume control in a vintage integrated amp.
Awesome. Thank you! I get asked this question a lot so thought I would make a quick video I can send to friends.
At 1:45 after you plug in the rca to the pre outs what do you do with the other power in connections next to the pre outs? Put the jumper back in?
kinda new/returning to the whole receiver thing. just bought a pioneer vsx 815 at thrift for $20. i'm using it to drive bookshelf speakers for use on my PC. am I to use speaker out (the twisting posts) or do i use where it says "preout". in the preout section, there's 4 connection points, Front, Surround, Surround Back, Center. Not sure if this is the same as pre-amp, or does preout mean it's already amplified and i just u se RCA style connectors instead of bare wires in the twisting connectors? or is the preout preamp that requires an external amp?
Good information, thank you,
Thank you!
I have a modern Onkyo receiver with line-out (RCA) for Zone 2. It's the same as pre-amp out, isn't it?
I have a SX 980 and I can't turn it up very far and it cuts out on the protection circuit according to the wattmeter it's not even getting the 30 Watts and it shuts out I like my music loud my Marantz doesn't cut out or my Macintosh only my Pioneer thank you for showing me how to hook it up I do have the manual but I wanted to make sure
I always thought the pre amp volume control would not be in play, only the power amps volume. Source of music goes to pre amp where bass treble etc are adjusted, then the signal goes to the power amp where the volume is controlled since it is the "power"amp
i've watched now a few vids regarding this and I seem to be wrong. I control volume from pre amp yes. the question is what about the volume control on my power amp ? is it disconnected internally when set up like this, or do I set it to zero or somewhere in between? no-one seems to mention the power amp and it's volume control.
Very informative tutorial I should say but those jumpered jacks can also be used for something like a graphic equalizer, reverberation processor or DBX noise reduction decoder.
Great point! Thank you!
the dbx decoder is just the system developed by telefunken NR ,but i have two DBX equalizers in my home studio with 32 frequencies per channel that is amazing good ,dbx allthough their 70´s home system didn´t went standart but it was very expensive and only a the police album was to my taste ,it sounded perfect but their professional material since then is very good
I am looking to use my 1973 Sansui QR6500 as a preamp, running its Pre Amp outs into my Willsenton R8 tube amps Pre Amp Inputs. If the volume on the Sansui will be used to increase volume, what happens to the volume control on the R8 ? is it disconnected internally or do I leave it at zero, or set to unity volume ?
If I may ask..I have a Dynaco st70 tube amp and a preamp with one set of speakers.
I was looking to add a vintage am/fm tuner into the mix and consider using
a Niles box to share the one set of speakers. What is the cabling to get the
tuner into the mix or does it just operate as a standalone and share speakers with
the Niles switch. Got myself confused. Thks..Tim
I've always just connected a stand alone tuner to the preamp so not quite sure how the Niles box would be needed in this instance. Perhaps you would be interested in an audio switcher instead? That would allow you to connect two devices to one RCA input on your preamp and switch back and forth between the two. I have a Short on my channel showing how to make that connection if so. Thanks for watching!
How to connect integrated amplifier Nad 3155 to a main in pre out chinese fx o3 tube preamp with out in and input lappreciate you help. Idid connect take out junpers in to out main in to out to in .do not works.
I have a Marantz 2250B receiver and want to add say a vintage Marantz eq10 or Schiit Lokius eq. How would connect my Philips 212 turntable and my Denon DCD 2560 CD player to the devices. Currently both devices are connected to my receiver via phono stage connect ( turntable) and aux connect CD player. I would like to adjust the eq more then just the tone controls and high/ low filters that are on the receiver in order to adjust the speakers freq more. Thanks
Inserting an EQ is an entirely different set up from this video. I haven't used an external EQ yet, but if I do, I'll make a video on how I installed it into my system.
When using the "Power Amp In" ports, what input setting do you choose in the front? For example, Phono 1, Phono 2, etc. I didn't see a corresponding setting for that. I have a Pioneer SA-9100 and the manual seems to only show those connections being used in multi-amplifier setups. Thank you.
Do you have a preamp plugged into the Power In input? I believe the Power In input on that model means you're using it as an amplifier, so you are no longer using the input settings on the SA-9100, but instead would use the input settings on the preamp that you connected into the power in input.
@@ForeverAnalog i´m not even think about what it´s written, the 9100 is a very nice sounding integrated amp if has outputs for a power amp it can be used as a pre-amp as it happens with a lot of stereo receivers and integrated amplifiers with a higher quality in sound to be used as a pre amp as in 70´s Pioneer
You are bypassing all that so don't need do anything.
I have a number of vintage ('60s and '70s) audio pieces because I like their distinctive sounds. Isn't the pre-amp primarily responsible for the coloration that makes the different units (Sansui, McIntosh, Marantz, Pioneer, etc.) sound the way they do? Let's say I wanted to boost the power of a low-wattage Harman Kardon 430 (25 wpc). How would the sound be changed if I ran it through another power amp?
Great question - my experience is just to pair the units and try to listen for any differences. Sounds like you have quite a few you could experiment with, which to me is part of the fun!
I was just given some vintage audio components that I'd like to set up. Would it be tuner to pre amp to amp to speakers? Thanks in advance!
Awesome! Yes the tuner will go into the preamp, probably the Tuner or Aux input, while the rest of the steps in the video remain correct. Enjoy your gear!
This is all great if you have those Ins & outs on your receiver what if your Receiver does not have a Pre amp out or In?
I'm dealing with the same situation
Same
@@wilsq30 You can use any source input and select that channel as the Preamp In.
Am i the only one smiling hearing Schiit amp for the first time? :)
lol!
are the shortcuts on the video right?
Was wo n during how I can connect my phone to listen to my music through the reciever that only has a phones spot. I bought a aux cord that connects my phone but there's no sound.
The cable needs a built in DAC in order to process the sound thru your analog receiver. They can be had for $25.
Sir would you know how to hook up my schiit modius E Dac to my vintage Sansui receiver, I bought mine today and I just can't get it to have sound😞Thank you for sharing your video also 👍
I plug my DACs into the Aux inputs on my vintage receivers using the analog RCA out cable on the DAC. I then connect the digital source, like a CD player or streamer, to the digital input on the DAC. I have a video on my channel showing you how to connect a CD player to an external DAC and then to an amplifier that might be helpful!
@@ForeverAnalog Hello and thank you so much Im going to check out that video, thank you again 👍👍👍🙂
Added the preamp per the instructions to my SX 980. The volume knob for some reason is not controlling the level of volume. Am I doing something wrong ?
Your preamp controls volume
I have an old Optimus (RadioShack) receiver that doesn't have outputs on it. Is there a way to connect it into a Sony preamp?
Check the manual, but I only use the pre/main outputs when provided, so if there aren't any, I do not connect to preamp or amp, sorry.
What about using a turntable, do you use the amp as a preamp or visa versa ? What is better for sound quality?
The turntable has to be plugged into whatever you’re using as the preamp. A good preamp shouldn’t alter the sound much.
@@ForeverAnalog or nothing unless you feel it needs more highs and lows depending on the recording, in a time that bands had a personalized sound, the producer was a main responsable for how the recording would sound
hello, if my vintage amp doesnt have a pre amp input can i connect my pre amp unit to the Aux input of the vintage amp ? thanks
I don’t believe so but others may know how to.
what about an sx-1000tw. how would i use an external amp with that receiver?
I don’t believe that unit has the jumpers necessary to make the connection shown in this video.
what if it doesn't have the pre amp or power amp connection?
What if the receiver doesn't have pre-amp ports, like my RCA STAV-3970?
I looked up the receiver and do not see an option to use as a preamp or amplifier only, sorry.
And if your vintage receiver has no jumpers? Alternate way to do this PROPERLY or is it simply a "no go" ?
Personally, using the jumpers is the only way I've successfully paired units, but some folks claim you can do so using Tape Monitor inputs, something I haven't tried.
@@ForeverAnalog now i´m lost, i remenber using in a room several amplifiers and speakers from a regular catalog from diferent brands and i had the sources conected to a table(mixing board) that would be conected from input to output and so on in all the amplifiers and speakers to each amplifier to see if there was a diference in timing lost with all conected by using the tape monitors and it worked as i was expecting
so if i have dont have the pre in out in my receiver it wont work ?! like in sansui 661 i have
Not using this method unfortunately. I've read where some folks use the tape in/out to connect a preamp, but I've yet to try to so couldn't speak to making that connection.
Can you also use the Tape Out connection to connect to an amp?
I haven’t before because from what I understand the tape out isn’t volume controlled so I’d need to have volume control available on the amplifier.
@@ForeverAnalog You are correct sir.
If you have an amp, you can connect a receiver that way to listen to FM.
What if I want to use the amp from one integrated amp and the preamp from another integrated?
Both integrateds will need the preamp in/out connections like I show here on the Pioneer and then you should be able to make these same connections.
Would it work to use a modern receiver as the preamp and vintage receiver as the amp?
Yes it would!
@ForeverAnalog thanks! I use blue tooth through a newer receiver, but just bought a vintage Marantz, and am on a budget. I'd like to hear the streaming music through vintage receiver for the warmth.
how to connect Marantz 2030b and Marantz PM-54 ?
Neither unit has the jumpers required to make the connection as shown in this video.
Okay so I have a 1280 and would like to run 4 hpm 100s what do I do
Just plug one set of speakers into A and the other set into B.
@@ForeverAnalogwhich amp do you suggest with my 1280?
i put y cables on mine awhile ago so i could have 4 speakers & 2 amps.
I found a 1970’s Philips 785 receiver today at the thrift store for $20. It works. Anyone know anything about these receivers?
that can destory the receiver and the pre-amp those outputs are for power amplifiers not for a low quality pre-amplifier check the impedance on both devices and see if even that can be compatible, sorry but why don´t you conect them as they are supposed to, this already knowing that the amplifier from that receiver will not improve nothing by having it using a aux. line instead of one of the best phono stages ever, i advice no one to do that ,it´s simple electronic, a disaster waiting to happen doesn´t even make sense ,sorry but i had to writte this, it´s not a toy and would cost a lot of money today with the same quality
The Pioneer Vintage Receivers are quality??😂😂😂..I can Only smile😂😂😂..I Have got a bose 1801 power amplifier and Mcintosh mc-113 preamplifier..Two pieces combinations are very very quality...But I Have got a Denon gr-535 Vintage receiver..And Mcintosh preamplifier and Denon Receiver combinations sound is very very quality...❤❤❤...Do You understand ne Mister???...I am a Audiophile Man...And I don't Want Vintage Pioneer Receivers...
@@monsterleather9621 well i have both brands components but because of over heating even opening it to point to fans i bought to directelly point at the amplification system ,in Africa the humiditry is so high that 30 degrees celsius seem like 45 or more in europe South in very dry and hot regions where they burned , Denon wasn´t that good at the time several levels of low quality compared to 70´s Pioneer that i have stereo receivers .integrated amplifiers ,power amplifiers and pre-amps ,as i tried from Yamaha, Hitachi, New Acoustic Dimension ,Technics , Phase Linear ,Accuphase , Krell , etc. but ended up with pioneer becuse since early 70´s their quality was very high and everything still works since the 60´s some new wires or deoxit but more than 50´s years and working so i do like power amplifiers from Accuphase, Pioneer, Technics and Yamaha, and sources i bought them from every brand i found good, i almost forget in the 80´s i tried Carver own brand but overheated because his name was in some of my best power amplifiers from two other brands, i do colect hi-fi components since late 50´s as icolect cars my main two hobby´s with youth girls and drugs left the picture and i´m amazed how am i alive today witrh so many wrong doings till i stoped all at 50, only didn´t left smoking my only bad habbit today, but in 2015 i look at another of my diesel Mercedes and notice a signature in the door tweeter ,Burmester, i contact them and they came to my house studied the space install some deflectors and with a huge new system i was very happy because i wasn´t expecting such higher quality in this days but only two sources turntable and cd player ,this was a lot of money spent, hundreds of thousands of €´s, my last component system ,the other day a friend of mine said he had bought some klipsch Lascala to his christmas tree from Mcintosh, i was afraid of telling him that youtube doesn´t as nothing related with quality because he had two good JBL´s and now it´s system with cds it sounds so bad i couldn´t believe it, i have system bought from pioneer in my garage in the 90´s, itsounds like 10 times better that his MCintosh system with the Lascala speakers, i do have some cornerwalls conected to a Philips 79 components system and they do sound very good . I´m buiding now a blender inside a refregirator system and choose 3 mixes so i can touch a button and one of the 3 mixes comes out very fresh but i think i have to install 3 difrerent blenders , health to you and yours
So, which volume knob do you use in each case? I take it the preamp's, right? And leave the other knob at zero, I suppose.
@@monsterleather9621 well i have components from most of the known brands and in the 70´s a receiver from pioneer ,even the lowest reference is above any new amplifier till a couple of thousands of dollars ,i colect hi-fi components and i do have really good amplifiers or any other kind of component ,but maybe you didn´t try them when new, and i never called myself an audiophile because of it´s bad reputation or rich kids had it to show off ,i consider myself an audio enthusiast, and if pioneer wasn´t good in the 70´s in your opinion it shows you don´t know much about the brand, some work for more than 50 years without any repair allthough some parts sure are to be substituted
@laika25 the volume is controlled by whichever unit you connect as the preamp.
Why would you want to do this
I have vintage receivers that need repair and there isn't a good shop near me so I've taken a Marantz with a crackling amp channel and used it as a preamp connected to another vintage amp that's working properly. Also, it can just be fun to mix and match audio gear!
why do that to decrease a good amplifier quality with rubish chinese components that i already tried all to see if were usable for kids starting today their hi-fi systems ,i say to people without money to give me 500€ and will be more happy with it than a new compact system ,and i have bought ,4 for friends. THis incuding a amplifier, speakers ,cd player cassette deck and turntable with tuner or not or instead of a cassette deck a minidisc and the quality of sound is better and louder than any new compact system ,even the top model from some brands that cost around 600€ but no quality at all ,but to those who never had a stereo system it´s like the best they ever heard normally i would buy 70´s amplifiers mainly from pioneer because it´s a brand i know since late 60´s but today they were all bought and when one appears that used to be sold by 150€ now they ask from 200 to 300€ or more depending on the model . I myself when working in africa in early 70´s went to japan with a japanese i met there and i bought the ES-2000 system from pioneer which releases at the max at mid volume scale 30 watts r.m.s and when returning to europe i bring it with me and still today it´s all original and works perfect ,only cleaned it once in early 80´s and use some deoxit for the knobs ,it´s better finished than any component from the 74 catalog ,this including a set of speakers a receiver and a turntable ,but all looking today much better and bigger than the components sold at the time with matrix 4 that with a extra pair of speakers ,somecelestion ditton series from 1970 and a akai reel deck from 1970 too ,the X-165D ,still today with onlty ferric tapes it works better than most of the cassette decks known ,i have others from pioneer and the 70´s ,even from late 60´s that are restored and working like new ,this es-2000 system ,i never done anything to it and it´s my system for the t.v. room,this to know how many years it will work since i bought it in 1974 in japan having a heavy but good power transformer from 100 volts to 220 volts ,in the back says 50hz/60hz so it works perfect and with some of those 1990 speakers from pioneer that says it as 190watts (DIN)with the ,loudness on it makes the woofer vibrate and no newer model with real 70 watts at 8 ohms r.m.s. makes it vibrate like the pioneers reference integrated amplifiers ,the A-616mkII or the A-656 MKII also ,they were given to me by a dutch friend who lives 50 kms from my town in the countryside wich is sunny all year around ,it rains but the maximum two days in the fall and more two days in early winter, the reason why some friends from the netherlands and germany came to live near me because of the weather they were sick of seeing grey sky´s most of their lifes in their countries, now interior south of Portugal ,Banana´s republic or juda´s ass like i always called it, also when coming to live near me they brought all their hi-fi systems and gave them to me this working perfect , i have now a SX-838 ,sx-1050 ,sx-750 and a SX-1980 bought in N.Y. by a uncle of mine,also have a rondo system(78) who have a receiver ,turntable and speakers having better finishings than current at the time components in the catalog
I phoned my local Curry's store to ask if they had any Schiit amps and they said that's all they've got.
this must be called how to destroy a good hi-fi device by using a cheap low quality pre-amp.maybe i´m going to connect my hair drier to my toaster and will came out a blender(it´s the same)this with two perfect phono stages and a aux to conect any bad sounding cheap pre-amp that this receiver have two but good ones
Can You buy Mcintosh preamplifier???..😊😊😊
@@monsterleather9621 well ,i think i´m going to try to blend some old tube amplifiers and a 90´s toaster might get a Mcintosh pre-amp . In reality with the problems i had with over heating amplifiers and not that good pre-amplifier i went out of using mcintosh ,also it helped they releasing a fantastic christams tree in blue ,i do prefer one colour christmas trees but in components i don´t like much lights so it helped but there are better brands and better in quality, the same happened in the 80´s with Carver own brand after having some incredible good ampli9fiers ,in the back saying built by Carver i tried it but also over heating maybe they live in a very cold region and in sunny country´s temperatures are too high to avoid them burning ,. i used to open them and buy fans in the smaller size directelly pointed to the amplification system ,this while living in Africa ,the excessive humidity felt 30 degrees celsius feel like 45 degrees with dry air, but they didn´t burn in Africa but in Europe, but (i tend to use too many buts ,it´s like an adiction ,i like big buts like sir mix-a-lot, but as i said mcintosh did sound a lot powerfull in the 70´s with clear and clean sound till they burn, still using a tube amp that survived it belonged to my father that passed away recentelly because they kill him in the hospital allthough he had already 98 years old
@@monsterleather9621 i have since a teenager a MA 5100 amplifier/pre-amp but from macintosh only older stuff when they were a quality brand before the christmas tree series 😁. and i´m not buying anything more i already have enough till i die
When using vintage reciever as power amp, what source setting does it need to be on?
It shouldn't matter which source setting as the preamp will now be the device selecting sources