When Aquababy died, that was ballsy. Nothing like that had ever happened to a superhero before. Or after, as best I can figure. Aquaman failed at the moment it mattered most, and it cost him his infant son. Even his wife blamed him, and the loss eventually drove her insane. So it ultimately cost him his entire family unit.
Re: Derivative characters. Comics are filled with derivative characters, but many of them were more products of the times and/or no-brainers and IMO unrelated to already appearing in comics. For example, Namor and Aquaman. Having characters that were water-based is a no-brainer and I don’t consider them derivative from the other. Marvel Comics also had a character, The Fin, another water-based superhero.. There were numerous Robin Hood style characters as well. Fawcett’s Golden Arrow, National’s Green Arrow, etc. I define derivative as another version of the same character, for example, Batgirl, Batwoman, is to Batman.
DC used to be the worst for that. For a long time "DC" stood for "Derivative Characters," lol. Super-this, Bat-that... But Marvel has caught up. So many different Spider-mans, Hulks, Thors, Captain Americas, etc these days....
The only namor run i recommend is John Byrnes run. Aquaman has had more better series runs by Peter David, then Jurgens/epting, then the sub Diego arc by phieffer/Gleeson, then Geoff Johns run then the rebirth series by dan abnett, gabe, and the artists
I also enjoyed the Keith Giffen/Curt Swan Aquaman mini they did in the late 80s. Swan over Giffen layouts gave his art new energy. I wished it had led to a regular series with that team.
@@wtk6069 I only have the first issue of that so I left it out. Another series which was decent was Aquaman and the others, that was ok just at the end of the new 52.
Aquaman was such a joke character that its taken more effort to get a good story out of him and that attracts good writers. Namor is so cool and interesting it doesn't really attract writers looking for a challenge or a way to establish themselves.
@@christophertaylor9100 well if what you say is true that speaks highly of the amount of writer's and artists Aquaman has had that have told good stories with the character which surpass what marvel have done.
The best way to lean how people talk in the past is to read old books. Its going to be somewhat stylized, but you can get the dialects, patterns, vocabulary, and slang terms from all around the country and the world from that. If you can find letters from the past, which there are collections of, that helps as well, but it is very important to understand that people wrote in a more formal style than they spoke. So what you read in a letter is not what people would talk like; that was much more common in the past, a more formal way of speaking for special events or letters, and a more casual way of speaking among friends and family. That said, you will learn words and phrases common for the time period or region that you may be utterly unfamiliar with.
I honestly don't remember a time when Namor wasn't being a total jerk. So it doesn't surprise me Aquaman was more popular. His episodes of douche-baggery were not as constant. As for the two of them fighting, well that has already been done. It was a hard fight to call the outcome, but i gave the edge to Aquaman, and he himself summed it up perfectly after winning the fight by dropping a killer whale onto Namor; "You're too noble to cheat".
Namor has an interesting place in history; he technically predated Marvel as he was originally created for another book that went unreleased. He’s the second most popular golden age Marvel character, but it’s a big drop off from Captain America. His 60s revival kept him more relevant than the original Human Torch, though.
Sub-Mariner always had more depth of character compared to Aquaman. Aquaman was improved upon starting in the 80s, but his history since then is all over the place. Give me a-hole contrarian Namor any day of the week.
The unique Aquaman was defined by Steve Skeats (writer) and Jim Aparo (artist) in the late1960s under the editorial of Dick Giordano. The King Arthur mythos . Of course, Nick Cardy is my number one Aquaman artist.
Their reasoning was that Atlantis apparently originated from Aztec legends, so he needed to be Hispanic. Thus they also changed the pronunciation of his name and added more South American jewelry to him. In reality, he’s a fantasy character that didn’t need to be made more “realistic.” I was more disappointed that they didn’t even attempt his eyebrows.
@@SlashManEXE In all honesty, they made him Aztec and hispanic for two reasons: 1) representation, they wanted him to be non-white. (yes I know Namor is atlantean and especially in his early appearances was very alien looking but he would present as white in the movie) 2) Because Aquaman basically stole his entire background and history from Namor (king of the underworld etc), if they did him straight from the comics, he'll seem like he's ripping off Aquaman.
@@christophertaylor9100 It’d be better if they just came right out and said they needed more diversity, as opposed to saying their research makes the change in character objectively correct. While I’d say he was conceived as white character, the widow’s peak, eyebrows and pointy ears are all just as important to his signature look and independent of race. 2/3 weren’t even attempted
When Aquababy died, that was ballsy. Nothing like that had ever happened to a superhero before. Or after, as best I can figure. Aquaman failed at the moment it mattered most, and it cost him his infant son. Even his wife blamed him, and the loss eventually drove her insane. So it ultimately cost him his entire family unit.
Yeah, Black Mants took a level in bad-a after that .
Re: Derivative characters. Comics are filled with derivative characters, but many of them were more products of the times and/or no-brainers and IMO unrelated to already appearing in comics. For example, Namor and Aquaman. Having characters that were water-based is a no-brainer and I don’t consider them derivative from the other. Marvel Comics also had a character, The Fin, another water-based superhero.. There were numerous Robin Hood style characters as well. Fawcett’s Golden Arrow, National’s Green Arrow, etc. I define derivative as another version of the same character, for example, Batgirl, Batwoman, is to Batman.
DC used to be the worst for that. For a long time "DC" stood for "Derivative Characters," lol. Super-this, Bat-that... But Marvel has caught up. So many different Spider-mans, Hulks, Thors, Captain Americas, etc these days....
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The only namor run i recommend is John Byrnes run. Aquaman has had more better series runs by Peter David, then Jurgens/epting, then the sub Diego arc by phieffer/Gleeson, then Geoff Johns run then the rebirth series by dan abnett, gabe, and the artists
I also enjoyed the Keith Giffen/Curt Swan Aquaman mini they did in the late 80s. Swan over Giffen layouts gave his art new energy. I wished it had led to a regular series with that team.
@@wtk6069 I only have the first issue of that so I left it out. Another series which was decent was Aquaman and the others, that was ok just at the end of the new 52.
Aquaman was such a joke character that its taken more effort to get a good story out of him and that attracts good writers. Namor is so cool and interesting it doesn't really attract writers looking for a challenge or a way to establish themselves.
@@christophertaylor9100 well if what you say is true that speaks highly of the amount of writer's and artists Aquaman has had that have told good stories with the character which surpass what marvel have done.
Just don’t forget Namor in the Fantastic Four original run - he is really badass im those!
Thank you for answering my question
The best way to lean how people talk in the past is to read old books. Its going to be somewhat stylized, but you can get the dialects, patterns, vocabulary, and slang terms from all around the country and the world from that.
If you can find letters from the past, which there are collections of, that helps as well, but it is very important to understand that people wrote in a more formal style than they spoke. So what you read in a letter is not what people would talk like; that was much more common in the past, a more formal way of speaking for special events or letters, and a more casual way of speaking among friends and family. That said, you will learn words and phrases common for the time period or region that you may be utterly unfamiliar with.
I honestly don't remember a time when Namor wasn't being a total jerk.
So it doesn't surprise me Aquaman was more popular. His episodes of douche-baggery were not as constant.
As for the two of them fighting, well that has already been done.
It was a hard fight to call the outcome, but i gave the edge to Aquaman, and he himself summed it up perfectly after winning the fight by dropping a killer whale onto Namor;
"You're too noble to cheat".
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I'm pleased you discern the true king of the seas from his pastiche
Arthur Curry is my favorite upper echelon League character. . .I always look forward to his interactions with Diana whenever I come across them :)
Namor has an interesting place in history; he technically predated Marvel as he was originally created for another book that went unreleased.
He’s the second most popular golden age Marvel character, but it’s a big drop off from Captain America. His 60s revival kept him more relevant than the original Human Torch, though.
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Henry Silva looked almost like the inspiration for Handsome Squidward.
You've got to wonder how the industry would look if DC didn't sue all their competitors out of existence.
Sub-Mariner always had more depth of character compared to Aquaman. Aquaman was improved upon starting in the 80s, but his history since then is all over the place. Give me a-hole contrarian Namor any day of the week.
The unique Aquaman was defined by Steve Skeats (writer) and Jim Aparo (artist) in the late1960s under the editorial of Dick Giordano. The King Arthur mythos . Of course, Nick Cardy is my number one Aquaman artist.
Who's the author of that forgotten English book you mentioned?
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@@Dixonverse thank you very much
I understand Alfonso Font is Spanish.
They completely ruined namor in black panther 2, they made him look like a gay nightclub owner and made him Latino for some reason
Their reasoning was that Atlantis apparently originated from Aztec legends, so he needed to be Hispanic. Thus they also changed the pronunciation of his name and added more South American jewelry to him.
In reality, he’s a fantasy character that didn’t need to be made more “realistic.” I was more disappointed that they didn’t even attempt his eyebrows.
@@SlashManEXE How did the ancient Greeks know about the Aztecs when they wrote about Atlantis thousands of years ago..?
You mean the landlocked Aztec empire?
@@SlashManEXE In all honesty, they made him Aztec and hispanic for two reasons:
1) representation, they wanted him to be non-white. (yes I know Namor is atlantean and especially in his early appearances was very alien looking but he would present as white in the movie)
2) Because Aquaman basically stole his entire background and history from Namor (king of the underworld etc), if they did him straight from the comics, he'll seem like he's ripping off Aquaman.
@@christophertaylor9100 It’d be better if they just came right out and said they needed more diversity, as opposed to saying their research makes the change in character objectively correct.
While I’d say he was conceived as white character, the widow’s peak, eyebrows and pointy ears are all just as important to his signature look and independent of race. 2/3 weren’t even attempted
Sorry but I have to correct you, Alfonso Font is Spaniard not Argentinian.
I was misninformed.
I wonder why my questions aren’t being asked. Are my emails being read? Maybe I need to ask better questions.