The only way I could see Sanguinius coming back in a good way would be an equally great sacrifice, such as Dante sacrificing himself to become the true reincarnation of Sanguinius.
I like this a lot, and someone in the comments yesterday said something similar but it took Dante (gold angel) and Mephiston (black angel) both…and maybe they said Sanguinor too.
Even then it would diminish the power his sacrifice had. They can bring back only Russ and Vulkan that would actually make sense. But I'm fine with Roboute and Lion being the only ones rebuilding the Imperium.
@@posslord1221 he’s not even the worst either, his fall was just lazily written. IMO Dorn or Alpharius is worst, and I can say that because I am Alpharius.
That the beaten, battered, and broken Sanguinius laying at Horus's feet wasn't enough to set the Emperor upon that bald Bastage with a fury is beyond me.
That's awesome! 76 for me. I would read my uncle's RT book, and painted minis back then, but didn't start playing the game until 3rd edition came out. But hell yeah, nice to see some more Gen X representation in the community.
@paulhabasescu7602, Well the way the Emperor treated Angron, and also Curze, and the way he culled the Thunder Warriors and planned to do the same to the Space Marines and Primarchs...when Horus realized all this he was right to feel how he did about it. If you read the Horus Heresy books it really shows you both perspectives...and Horus' argument why he needed to rebel is completely valid. His neck was on the chopping block. It was really just a matter of self preservation. Without the chaos corruption (which is its own very separate issue) Horus would actually be in the right. Siding with the dark powers because he was in a bad place ruined everything...and everyone...and gave us a galaxy in constant warfare for millennia.
Sangunius didnt see the future. He saw Glimpses. His prescience was greater than the Emperor's but not by much. He even understood it less than his father. This is a good thing. Sangunius saw many paths. For example. his death... he saw several paths that led to his death. He fought his way through some of them. He did not see "the future" he saw a possible future. Conrad Curze was actually the most powerful seer. He, like his father and brother saw paths unfold. AND " THE future". He always saw the possibilities first then he saw THE future. Early on all possibilities weight the same but at some point "the future" gets heavier and comes to the fore front of his thoughts. Why was it a good thing that Sanguinius was weaker than Conrad? He could act. HE could choose. Conrad believed his destiny was set in stone and that he had no agency and he let it happens never once trying to change his fate. Sanguinius KNEW he had agency and fought through all of the many paths that showed his possible death. He faced his death knowing he had raged against it ultimately choosing to meet his fate in the knowledge that his death Guaranteed that the Heresy ended where he died. Where as Conrad accepted his fate. never tried to change it and literally let death walk up to him and kill him whne he could have stopped it with a no effort at all. Just to prove his dad was shit a dad. Which is Ironic. Because his dad was never a a Dad.I mean he didnt see himself as their father; and they got ripped away from him before he could learn how to be a dad. This is way more important than you think BTW. Had Conrad not accepted his fate and blamed everything on the dad who nevr got to be a dad... think about it... Abandon dies At Istvaan 5. Likely Ferrus Manus lives. Recall what Horus said. IF i had Ferrus on my side the war would have been over when it started. Its part of the reason Horus kept Ferrus's skull as a trophy and manually tortures Ferrus's soul in the warp. He knew if he lost it would be because Ferrus had refused Fulgrims offer. Tldr: At any point Conrad could have changed his fate. It was not Destiny. HIS choice sealed his faith. Sanguinius was the opposite. He could never change his fate. Because he chose it. At any point before his death having been offered chances to walk away freely... he could have. And he refused. That is the great Strength of the Angel. His heart. And the great Failure of Conrad. He had no heart. He didnt even love himself enough to try to be a good man and save himself and fight for his father.
I'm sure it has already been asked, but could Sanguinius' return perhaps also cure the Blood Angels of the Black Rage? His soul being in the warp would be an easy way for him to return, and a cure for the Black Rage could be the reason. idk, just kinda made me start thinking and wondering.
18:12 I often think of Manu Bennett's portrayal of Crixus in Spartacus: Blood and Sand when I think of Angron, in any other setting Angron would be the main character
If only Erda wasn't the worst mother in all of human history. Purdy, Angron, Morty, Konrad and even Magnus could've been saved by a hug or two from their mama. But noooo. She's too busy hiding from imaginary repercussions from "helping" her kids by scattering them in hell...
I love Angron too. And World Eaters. I think he is not the most compelling Primarch though. Especially after falling to chaos. But I love all 20 of them as characters but not all of them are great leaders…or even good people.
Good video. I don't't think that a return of Sanguinius would be a bad thing if handled the right way. Heck from a certain point of view he could already be back. In the warp split into the Black and Golden Angels fighting for the very soul of his sons. I don't think that GW will bring him back corporeal, but I think that Dante and Mephiston will become his avatars. Dante as the Golden Angel and Mephiston as the Black. I mean all the loyalist Primarchs got a massiv powerboost from the citizens of the Imperium worshipping them for 10.000 yrars as the sons of the God Emperor, if the Dark Imperium Novels are to be believed. For all intents and purposes it looks to me that they have become basically minor warp gods.
I've been reading 40k for decades (I'm damn near 40). And I didn't like the blood angels until I read the Dante books. Those books... some of the best writing in 40k or horus Heresy.
Right there with you...I was blown away by the Dante books and Mephiston books. Devastation of Baal is absolutely S++ tier, the space vampires are awesome, but I did hate them for decades, as they were one of my main tabletop foes.
Wouldn't Nurgle have been a good fit for Angron and the boys? Nurgle could have taken away the pain from the butchers nails and made a merry band out of the World Eaters. Nurgle could have given the highriders ebola and resurected Angrons fallen gladiator buddys. And doesn't the World Eaters favor full frontal attacks? That seems to fit in with Nurgle as well. World Eater would be a good name for some world eating plague, like the Life Eater virus. And wouldn't Mortarion have been a good fit for Khorne? He's the f'ing grim reaper and he hates psychic power. Dusk Raiders the bloody handed legion.
This is truth and I feel if Khorne had gotten his first choice, Sanguinius, then it would have had no other way to go but this. Although this has made me wonder…what would a Tzeentchian or Slaaneshi Angron be like too 🤔
@@InquisitorRomanov Tzeentch and Angron are opposites. Slaneesh could work in a sort of extreme drug withdrawal kind of way with the butcher’s nails (extreme pain and extreme pleasure from the kill), besides the obvious in the perfection of dueling.
I am indeed planning on covering chapters and legions, and xenos, and pretty much everything I can, as I love this setting more than any other. I am actually working on one more Primarch video right now, but after that there will be some Legion videos...so hopefully I'll have at least one out by the weekend.
Angron and Kurze are about as mismanaged potential as it can be. #TurnedGrimDerp. Anyway, I think that Primarchs returning is bad IDEA. Remember, that Guiliman was mentioned to be permamently damaged by Fulgrim's blade, on soul/warp level. Sanguinius, killed by Warmaster was mutilated far more decisivley in that aspect as well. Of course, one can make up theory that emperor captured his soul at great effort, thus being indecisive and maimed in battle with Horus. Anyway, if he was to return, he should come in visions, in form of guidance - or maybe, just maybe as modification to Black Rage, that say one in hundred claimed by this manage to become Sanguinius for real for brief moment and overcome the condition; while being abandoned by unaware Chapters and sent on single errands as black shields.
I thought any Primarchs returning at all, ever was a bad idea. They were supposed to be from the age of darkness, myths that are basically ancient legend like Hercules or Gilgamesh are to us. But then they came out with a card game, and expanded the lore with Imperial Armor and the Forgeworld stuff...then they wrote about 10,000 novels, all about the Primarchs that were supposed to be some ancient, possibly mythological mystery from 30K. But now we are neck deep in Primarchs. I used to feel how you do, but more broadly. But they seem to handle it pretty well. At this point I'm like where's my Omegon model? I'd hate if they brought Sanguinius back...or Horus. But they'll do it. The path for Sanguinius to return is pretty much already laid out. There's way too many mysteries still in the lore to hold onto any one as too sacred to expose because it will ruin the lore.
How could a bunch of standard/baseline humans overpower an adult Primarch and implant him with the butcher's nails? It makes no sense. Even more-so after Angron killed all those Eldar as a small child? It's absurd.
That's what I thought too. I mean, even Curze was butchering full grown adults with his bare hands as a kid...it's almost like either Angron just gave up, and lost all will to struggle...or the writers just dropped the ball. But yeah, that detail seriously bothered me too.
The only way I could see Sanguinius coming back in a good way would be an equally great sacrifice, such as Dante sacrificing himself to become the true reincarnation of Sanguinius.
I like this a lot, and someone in the comments yesterday said something similar but it took Dante (gold angel) and Mephiston (black angel) both…and maybe they said Sanguinor too.
Even then it would diminish the power his sacrifice had. They can bring back only Russ and Vulkan that would actually make sense. But I'm fine with Roboute and Lion being the only ones rebuilding the Imperium.
Angron deserved better. Anyone that thinks he’s the worst character, severely lacks comprehension.
@@Dark_Tesla Deserves got nothing to do with it. (William Munny)
Yeah, that’s the galaxy’s saddest truth.
@@InquisitorRomanov Man's gotta know his limitations. (Harry Callahan)
Fulgrim is the worst character. Angron is the most tragic of them.
@@posslord1221 he’s not even the worst either, his fall was just lazily written. IMO Dorn or Alpharius is worst, and I can say that because I am Alpharius.
That the beaten, battered, and broken Sanguinius laying at Horus's feet wasn't enough to set the Emperor upon that bald Bastage with a fury is beyond me.
For real though.
@randybentley2633 it's because the emperor loved all his children equally
If Sanguinius knew it was gonna happen the Emperor must have. He's playing chess with zero attachments. Cold yes, but he clearly has a plan. I.M.O
Condolences for the loss of your friend.
Our brother awakens from ash to bring us lore and knowledge🎉
Indeed
I've been alive since 1972 and my father bought me the orginal Rogue Trader with a £5 voucher I won in the 555 competition
That's awesome! 76 for me. I would read my uncle's RT book, and painted minis back then, but didn't start playing the game until 3rd edition came out. But hell yeah, nice to see some more Gen X representation in the community.
Nice XV-88 battle suit ya got there, Horus!
Im sorry for your loss Inquisitor. Ave imperator!
Hey thanks, and thanks for watching!
Angron is the Primarch who truly understood his father.
Indeed. Angron alone proves to me Horus was right.
Wtf?! Explain
@paulhabasescu7602, Well the way the Emperor treated Angron, and also Curze, and the way he culled the Thunder Warriors and planned to do the same to the Space Marines and Primarchs...when Horus realized all this he was right to feel how he did about it. If you read the Horus Heresy books it really shows you both perspectives...and Horus' argument why he needed to rebel is completely valid. His neck was on the chopping block. It was really just a matter of self preservation. Without the chaos corruption (which is its own very separate issue) Horus would actually be in the right. Siding with the dark powers because he was in a bad place ruined everything...and everyone...and gave us a galaxy in constant warfare for millennia.
My theory on sa huinius returning is it will be one of valdores clones, still get the model without messing the lore
Can't wait for Perturabo glowup arc. I hope he wages war on the entire galaxy and Immaterium.
I am predicting he finally dedicates himself to a single god if Vashtorr fully ascends
Sangunius didnt see the future. He saw Glimpses. His prescience was greater than the Emperor's but not by much. He even understood it less than his father.
This is a good thing.
Sangunius saw many paths. For example. his death... he saw several paths that led to his death. He fought his way through some of them. He did not see "the future" he saw a possible future.
Conrad Curze was actually the most powerful seer. He, like his father and brother saw paths unfold. AND " THE future". He always saw the possibilities first then he saw THE future. Early on all possibilities weight the same but at some point "the future" gets heavier and comes to the fore front of his thoughts.
Why was it a good thing that Sanguinius was weaker than Conrad?
He could act. HE could choose.
Conrad believed his destiny was set in stone and that he had no agency and he let it happens never once trying to change his fate.
Sanguinius KNEW he had agency and fought through all of the many paths that showed his possible death. He faced his death knowing he had raged against it ultimately choosing to meet his fate in the knowledge that his death Guaranteed that the Heresy ended where he died.
Where as Conrad accepted his fate. never tried to change it and literally let death walk up to him and kill him whne he could have stopped it with a no effort at all. Just to prove his dad was shit a dad.
Which is Ironic. Because his dad was never a a Dad.I mean he didnt see himself as their father; and they got ripped away from him before he could learn how to be a dad. This is way more important than you think BTW. Had Conrad not accepted his fate and blamed everything on the dad who nevr got to be a dad... think about it...
Abandon dies At Istvaan 5. Likely Ferrus Manus lives.
Recall what Horus said. IF i had Ferrus on my side the war would have been over when it started. Its part of the reason Horus kept Ferrus's skull as a trophy and manually tortures Ferrus's soul in the warp. He knew if he lost it would be because Ferrus had refused Fulgrims offer.
Tldr:
At any point Conrad could have changed his fate. It was not Destiny. HIS choice sealed his faith.
Sanguinius was the opposite. He could never change his fate. Because he chose it. At any point before his death having been offered chances to walk away freely... he could have. And he refused.
That is the great Strength of the Angel. His heart.
And the great Failure of Conrad. He had no heart. He didnt even love himself enough to try to be a good man and save himself and fight for his father.
I'm sure it has already been asked, but could Sanguinius' return perhaps also cure the Blood Angels of the Black Rage? His soul being in the warp would be an easy way for him to return, and a cure for the Black Rage could be the reason. idk, just kinda made me start thinking and wondering.
I personally believe so. I doubt it would affect the Red Thirst, but feel it would probably cure the Black Rage.
18:12 I often think of Manu Bennett's portrayal of Crixus in Spartacus: Blood and Sand when I think of Angron, in any other setting Angron would be the main character
Oh yeah, for sure. He's kind of a cross between Crixus and Spartacus, and his tale was pretty much lifted from the history of the Third Servile War.
If only Erda wasn't the worst mother in all of human history. Purdy, Angron, Morty, Konrad and even Magnus could've been saved by a hug or two from their mama. But noooo. She's too busy hiding from imaginary repercussions from "helping" her kids by scattering them in hell...
This is one of the sad truths that make the setting so grim.
Angron dumped on Russ it was a win.
Apparently that is a perspective particular to those who’ve been fitted with the Butcher’s Nails.
how? I love angron! World Eaters are my favorite human faction!
I love Angron too. And World Eaters. I think he is not the most compelling Primarch though. Especially after falling to chaos. But I love all 20 of them as characters but not all of them are great leaders…or even good people.
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Glad you enjoyed it
Good video. I don't't think that a return of Sanguinius would be a bad thing if handled the right way. Heck from a certain point of view he could already be back. In the warp split into the Black and Golden Angels fighting for the very soul of his sons. I don't think that GW will bring him back corporeal, but I think that Dante and Mephiston will become his avatars. Dante as the Golden Angel and Mephiston as the Black. I mean all the loyalist Primarchs got a massiv powerboost from the citizens of the Imperium worshipping them for 10.000 yrars as the sons of the God Emperor, if the Dark Imperium Novels are to be believed. For all intents and purposes it looks to me that they have become basically minor warp gods.
I love this take…but even as I read it I realized that Dante and Mephiston may already be his avatars and maybe just not fully know it yet.
"hair" - essy. Love it! 😊
Nice
I've been reading 40k for decades (I'm damn near 40). And I didn't like the blood angels until I read the Dante books. Those books... some of the best writing in 40k or horus Heresy.
Right there with you...I was blown away by the Dante books and Mephiston books. Devastation of Baal is absolutely S++ tier, the space vampires are awesome, but I did hate them for decades, as they were one of my main tabletop foes.
But the hammer was tainted, not by a demon like the layer blade but tainted both by Fulgrim and Horus.
True
Too much plot armour for angron 😮💨
Indeed.
Wouldn't Nurgle have been a good fit for Angron and the boys? Nurgle could have taken away the pain from the butchers nails and made a merry band out of the World Eaters. Nurgle could have given the highriders ebola and resurected Angrons fallen gladiator buddys. And doesn't the World Eaters favor full frontal attacks? That seems to fit in with Nurgle as well. World Eater would be a good name for some world eating plague, like the Life Eater virus.
And wouldn't Mortarion have been a good fit for Khorne? He's the f'ing grim reaper and he hates psychic power. Dusk Raiders the bloody handed legion.
This is truth and I feel if Khorne had gotten his first choice, Sanguinius, then it would have had no other way to go but this.
Although this has made me wonder…what would a Tzeentchian or Slaaneshi Angron be like too 🤔
@@InquisitorRomanov Slaaneshi Angron would be fun
@@InquisitorRomanov Tzeentch and Angron are opposites. Slaneesh could work in a sort of extreme drug withdrawal kind of way with the butcher’s nails (extreme pain and extreme pleasure from the kill), besides the obvious in the perfection of dueling.
Do these pretty well.
Thanks.
@@InquisitorRomanov You're welcome!
Also, are you planning to make videos of the legions the later the chapters?
I am indeed planning on covering chapters and legions, and xenos, and pretty much everything I can, as I love this setting more than any other. I am actually working on one more Primarch video right now, but after that there will be some Legion videos...so hopefully I'll have at least one out by the weekend.
@@InquisitorRomanov Okay 👍
@4:28 ahum Ciaphas Cain
IDK Angry Ronald still seems like a tool to me.
@@Frosty_Jay indeed he may just be
Angron and Kurze are about as mismanaged potential as it can be. #TurnedGrimDerp. Anyway, I think that Primarchs returning is bad IDEA. Remember, that Guiliman was mentioned to be permamently damaged by Fulgrim's blade, on soul/warp level. Sanguinius, killed by Warmaster was mutilated far more decisivley in that aspect as well. Of course, one can make up theory that emperor captured his soul at great effort, thus being indecisive and maimed in battle with Horus. Anyway, if he was to return, he should come in visions, in form of guidance - or maybe, just maybe as modification to Black Rage, that say one in hundred claimed by this manage to become Sanguinius for real for brief moment and overcome the condition; while being abandoned by unaware Chapters and sent on single errands as black shields.
I thought any Primarchs returning at all, ever was a bad idea. They were supposed to be from the age of darkness, myths that are basically ancient legend like Hercules or Gilgamesh are to us. But then they came out with a card game, and expanded the lore with Imperial Armor and the Forgeworld stuff...then they wrote about 10,000 novels, all about the Primarchs that were supposed to be some ancient, possibly mythological mystery from 30K. But now we are neck deep in Primarchs.
I used to feel how you do, but more broadly. But they seem to handle it pretty well. At this point I'm like where's my Omegon model? I'd hate if they brought Sanguinius back...or Horus. But they'll do it. The path for Sanguinius to return is pretty much already laid out.
There's way too many mysteries still in the lore to hold onto any one as too sacred to expose because it will ruin the lore.
To this day I’m not a fan of sanquinius
Oh wow…someone disliked this. Sad. Your opinion is just ad valid as theirs. It took me many years for Sanguinius to grow on me.
How could a bunch of standard/baseline humans overpower an adult Primarch and implant him with the butcher's nails? It makes no sense. Even more-so after Angron killed all those Eldar as a small child? It's absurd.
That's what I thought too. I mean, even Curze was butchering full grown adults with his bare hands as a kid...it's almost like either Angron just gave up, and lost all will to struggle...or the writers just dropped the ball. But yeah, that detail seriously bothered me too.
Bro nosaria have dark age tech if bolter can kill a primchar dark tech will