Tips & Myths of Single Clutch Transmissions
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- Single Clutch transmissions such as the Lamborghini E-Gear and Ferrari F1 system get a bad wrap and there's a lot of myths out there on the internet. So let's talk about these myths and what's truth and what's just internet fiction. While were at it, let's drive my Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera and show you some tips on how to extend the life of the clutch, along with how to recognize signs that the E-Gear system may need some maintenance.
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Ya know. This channel is wildly underrated. No hyper active drama, no clickbaity burnouts and shenanigans. Just straight cool, car guy talk and content. A true car guys channel.
Well thank you! That's what I'm aiming for.
That might be why its so underrated. Unfortunately TH-cam seems to reward clickbait and shenanigans. When I was getting back into working out I looked at Scooby's Workshop who has been one of the most influential fitness people for the past decade and he didn't even have a million subscribers which is just wild. Its all the clickbaity people trying to sell you junk supplements getting the spotlight unfortunately.
Agree 100%. Great practical insight from a normal guy!
Preach
would also like to know how many of those folks 'Who claim to know' actually owned one...like how many of these where there 4 billion!!!
Love seeing someone give a FAIR analysis these transmissions AFTER having years of ownership experience
Yup! I've owned and driven a whole lot of miles on these cars now.
14:47 dude just casually taking a photo of the Gallardo, gotta love to see it!
Lol happens all the time
Haha I came here to comment this same thing.
I used to work in a performance shop that serviced these regularly. It was wild how one guy replaced his clutch every 2500-4000 miles and others would see even 50k miles. Hard launches are very hard on these clutches since the wheels keep traction and the clutch slips.
Yup!
Non-BS, educational video from Dan The F'ing Man, and a cup of coffee on a Sunday morning. Great start to my day. I hope you have a great day as well, Captain Awesome!
Thank you!
When you have the clutch out, finally, get a set of calipers and measure how much media is still bonded on each side of the disk @ 20%. And get a dimension of the new on prior to install, to compare.
I'll check them out
That will be interesting to see!
i thought i did ALL my research before getting my gallardo, but somehow missed this channel. kudos for the straightforward, no bs style. i love it - subbed!
Welcome aboard!
I’m so happy you made this video. I own a manual Murcielago and an Aventador and everyone thinks the manual gearbox is better but it’s not - it’s just a different technique.
I really liked the way you explained how the e-gear system worked.
From driving my Aventador and from reading the owners manual (which recommends you keep your foot on the throttle when shifting up or down) that lifting off the throttle on upshifts is unnecessary. So the owners manual is correct.
One thing your review didn’t cover was whether driving it in Automatic mode wears the clutch.
When I am driving to a new destination I sometimes put the car in auto mode to concentrate on navigation rather than on shiting and navigation.
My thoughts were that auto mode shouldn’t make a difference to clutch wear. What do you think?
I love your honesty and also scientific and logical approach to supercar ownership. Thank you again.
The only reason auto might wear it more is it may be shifting more. Otherwise it has no effect.
Good luck with the dealership. I’m glad to hear that you’re expanding your business.
Thanks!
Glad to see you do this video. We bought a 2012 Audi R8 V10 to replace a C8 Corvette and everyone was flipping out because I bought the R-Tronic trans, same as your E-Gear. As others have mentioned, it’s either people who have never owned or never will own this type of car who go on social media tirades, or fear from owners who are not likely to do any of there own maintenance. As I noted in one of my videos, no one bitches about the Aventador, mostly R8, Gallardo, 430, etc.
I will be looking forward to your changing the clutch to see how 22% looks! Well done again.
Yeah most people crapping on these haven't driven them and are simply regurgitating what they read on some forum.
Say that again mate same here I never see any comments shitting on the aventadors robotized gearbox but they will absolutely shit on the gallardo and r8
@@maxmgquba8494💯💯
Another good suggestion: ALWAYS use Sport Mode. When you start the car, turn on Sport mode. Every time. Sport mode does less feathering of the clutch and engages faster and your clutch lasts longer. You gotta kind of punch the gas a little more aggressively. EDIT - AH HA! Typed that before you covered it! HANDLED!
Lol yup!
Many people who can afford these cars believe sales people and mechanics and anything they were told if they are not mechanically inclined or don’t know a lot about cars. Thank you for making these kinds of videos because people are sold so much fear and they absorb it. Internet makes it worse as people repeat what they hear and read on the Internet without first-hand knowledge.
I hate all the hyperbolic bs spread about these cars.
Great video Dan! Your advice here is spot on. Super looking forward to your clutch replacement series! You da man Dan! 👍🏼
You bet!
What's up dude! haha of course I would find you here! cya buddy!
Thanks for clearing it all up.. makes total sense. I drive mine in sport mode always. Great vid and info!
You're welcome
Great info. Answered some questions for my F1 Trans. Thanks Dan.
You bet!
Thank you Dan, for the great content 👍👍🧡
You bet
Great video and advice!
You bet
Just Subscribed because you are doing an amazing job. Great content and thanks for the videos.
Great info, thanks Dan!
You bet
Jason are you in cabot, AR with the Gallardo!? If so we need to meet up!
Great video you answered all the questions I had about e-gear
You bet
Learned a lot. Thanks
Anticipating learning a lot more when the project begins.
You bet
Great content, Dan! Can’t wait to see how labor intensive the clutch replacement is. As good as my dual clutch is, to me a single clutch enhances the driving experience
If you like jerky jerky, it sure does. If one like smooth instantaneous engagement with no throttle interruption, not so much.
I like both. The raw shifts can be fun in the right mood, but so can the lightning fast shifts of a dct.
Man always great info, with so much miss information going around
Thanks
Love the new t shirt big fella, also will be interested in seeing the old clutch when you swap in the new one, great information about these gearboxes too, Rj in Oz
We will certainly see the old clutch
Looking forward to the clutch install vid! 👍🏻
Me too
same here
Perfect timing! Had the clutch on my F430 replaced last week. The difference is absolutely incredible. Certainly not like a dual clutch, but wow, way less slippage when I first get going, and the shifts are way more crisp.
Awesome! I'm hoping that the new clutch makes the super g behave a little better.
Great discussion! Learned a bunch.
Thanks
That was incredibly helpful and informative! I feel much more secure about driving my 08 gallardo the way it’s intended to be driven without sweating about the clutch. Thanks Dave!
You bet
Best video in a while. It might take a bit of time to get lots of views on it but as techy, this is what I like and can relate to. I wished I was closer geographically to you guys to get into driving events.
Thanks!
Great content on the system. Try a clutch re-learn procedure when starting. I have always done these on the E-gear, F1 and Sportshift systems. It makes the changes so much better. You can also easily install a lightweight twin plate clutch. These tend to last longer and absolutely transform the car. Not just the shift speed but also the pickup. This change is a must for most dry single plate clutches in the UK market.
Interesting
REALLY INTERESTING THANK YOU ..GREAT VLOG!
Thanks
Great info Dan...thank you..... next car should be a regular Gallardo and compare it to this one......there are many priced right that need a little love..... and since you have the new merch, why not ?? Great stuff as usual.... happy Sunday !!!
Thanks! I may do that
Great video on the system . Had my 2000 360 TCU reflashed to CS profile . Was like a new car. Lightening fast gear changes , minimal clutch wear
Looking forward to the clutch change video. I think you will be able to adjust the new PIS with your Launch 431. 👍
This. Once the clutch becomes warn the time for the clutch to engage becomes a bit longer than you would want. Putting a new clutch in this car will drive a lot better, especially with a re calibration of the clutch system.
Yeah I've heard many people sing praises for the cs tcu. I'm hopeful that when done with the new clutch it will behave a little better.
Good info Dan
Thanks
Learned a lot, nicely done. Thank you. Wish they did a zf8 in these.....sort of kidding but sort of not.
Those are good trans
Thanks for all the tips. I own Gallardo LP550 RW drive 2012 model . It’s great.
Nice!
Hey we have an LP550-2 as well! Mind sharing your VIN? They are pretty rare!
Exactly! I love the single clutch in the R8 Rtronic! Can’t wait to see you guys replace it!
You bet!
Hi, totally agree. Unless you have zero mechanical feeling, it's easy to know when you're stressing the clutch. Reverse and first gear at low speed in steep slope is the worse. Do not underrev in first and second as it will not fully engage below 1500/1800: Not for traffic jam. Also pay attention how often and how long the pump is running. This can show a weak pump or internal leakage in the actuator. On Ferrari/Maserati replace the infamous pump relay before it kills your pump.
Yes if the pump is cycling for long periods or very frequently, that's not good. Also if the pump changes pitch that can be a sign it's dying.
Nice car and thanks for the tips , I’ll be looking for a Gallardo in the near future.:)
Nice!
Excellent tips, especially the one at 13:46.
Thanks
Good explanations
Thanks
Great info Dan! I'd still take your Gated 6 conversion over an automated manual any day!
Well sure. Me too! Lol
Love the new content! Some questions:
Could you please explain more about the herky jerky at low speeds? Why is that happening?
Is it possible to re-manufacturere/re-line the clutch? Similarly refurb the throw out assembly with a new bearing.
I think there are some refurb options but I just wanted to get new. The herky jerky is because the computer isn't that awesome at managing the clutch
Great video, Dan. I’m getting ready to put a clutch in my 08 430 and was wondering what tool the shop needs to do the install properly, I.e., to set the engagement point. Thanks
They need a computer that can set the calibration points for the clutch. On the Ferraris you can probably get away with one of the upper end Launch X431 models.
Damn you’re smart! Love this video!
Thanks
LMAO at the passenger in the white pickup truck video taping you on the highway. Well at least it wasn’t the driver. 😜
True!
Love the new shirt! Gotta order me one !
They are on the site!
I agree with you! I don't put into N while waiting for the light. Sometimes I'm having trouble engaging from N to 1st, and it would jump to 2nd instead.
I hate that
Same problem!
Great video Dan- In your opinion do you prefer the F1 or E-gear system? I'm looking at a supercar purchase in the next 12 mos and was only focused on DCT equipped vehicles. After seeing your explanation I think I'm open to 430/Gallarado era vehicles now.
I think both are basically the same. I have yet to try the LP Gallardo which supposedly is better.
We have an LP550 and also had experience in the superleggera of Dan's year. They are nearly identical to me, E-gear wise, the Superleggera just rides a bit stiffer.
I have also heard that a lot of single clutches get damaged on cars that get trailered everywhere! Going slowly or walking speed maneuvering is very hard on single clutch transmissions.
I could see that
Great video you nailed it I find most people that spread all these non-facts about these cars have never owned one much less never even driven one
Yup!
Very nice job. Simple explanation of a complex system. One thing I read in am owner's manual: can't remember if it was Ferrari's or MB AMG, was that they advised against braking the car with downshifting. Any idea of why or comments about that?
Against it? Hmm I'm curious where that was.
@@normalguysupercar . I didn't say you said it. I am saying that I read it in an owner's manual. I was asking if you know why they would advise against braking the car by downshifting.
Love the new t shirt / logo
Thanks!
Thank you. Got Maserati GranSport with the single clutch. Love it a lot! I assume the general principle of what you said is applicable to GS as well.
Indeed
Love the new t shirt!😄🐕
Thanks!
Do you have, or can you share or post a video of a list of major maintenance points and service intervals for the gallardo? Looking for a list of every fluid and just regular maintenance area to check on our LP550-2. Thanks & very informative video about the clutch life! I wish I had a tool to see what my percentage is at!
I don't have one yet
Favorite content
Thanks!
Dan I'll be looking forward to see any repair work done on that beautiful Arancio Borealis Lamborghini!
Me too!
Avant-Garde Xotics's had a video on their channel of e-gear transmission shifting outside of the car, it was kinda neat to see it in action.
Very cool
Nice!!! I was always a bit Leary of F1 transmissions. Does it matter if you leave it in "auto" mode vs. paddle shifting?
Only in that it shifts when you may not want it to.
The Dont Be A Menace clip was culture🤣🤣✊🏾
Lol thanks
Nicely put across. I like to say it a manual gearbox that is automatically controlled. Not an auto gearbox. Same gearbox and clutch as a manual car . Also quicker 0 to 60 lol
Yup!
14:45 lol..."Hey its that Normal Guy SuperLambo...." lol
Lol
Love the videos here in South Africa, great content and my wife loves the reviews from your wife!
Thanks
That shirt is lit!! Lambo also looks good
Thanks
So many 360 and F430 owners I know all say to keep the car in Sport mode to significantly extend the life of the clutch due to less feathering by the control system, similar to what you described with reverse and slow starts. Added benefit, Sport mode is more fun. :)
Race mode on the F430! Sport in the 360.
Whats your thoughts about shifting? Some people say they treat it just like a standard manual and take there foot off the gas while shifting, frankly i never did this with my 430 but i know people who do and i think it sounds ridiculous, lol. Congrats on the new car Dan, its awesome. I had mine brand new and loved it but I had it in Manhattan so it wasn't the greatest car for there and didnt keep it all that long lol.
Light throttle/ low load casual driving I tend to lift. Faster and more spirited I stay on the throttle
I don't lift. The computers do it for you.
@Normal Guy Supercar yea that was my thoughts also. Frankly i loved the violent bangs lol
I absolutely agree with what he said about the dealerships lying to customers about the snap test .
Yeah they just want to scare people into spending money sometimes
Guy in my neighborhood had a black 599. For a while. I would occasionally pass him as he was puttering along the boulevard doing 35.
There is a street that goes for about a block up a steep hill from the beach to the civic center that gets a fair amount of traffic and traffic backs up at the traffic light. One day my wife and I were walking down to the beach and there was a line of cars waiting for the light. The light changed to green and the line of cars started moving, except halfway down the hill the 599 was lurching back and forth with the engine being revved and white smoke pouring from the rear end. I delicately averted my gaze as we walked past the sad scene. That was the last time I saw that car around the neighborhood.
I wonder if the driver was treating the car like it had a regular torque converter automatic, and holding it on the hill by applying light throttle instead of using the brake.
Eek
I've only driven the Ferrari F1, but once you get used to it it's easy to feel when the clutch is fully engaged, or being slipped. It should only slip the clutch in first or reverse; and avoid Auto mode completely. As regards the Sport/Race settings and the suspension softness, if you're in second or above clutch slip will be minimal. I know US cars don't usually have it, but if you use Launch Control it can kill the clutch in a handfull of goes. But if you're buying one of these cars the number of launches can be read of the ECU, together with estimated clutch life.
Yeah launching hard can wear the clutch for sure
My friend had a Superlegerra at one point and ended up replacing his clutch because he did exactly what you talked about, which was moving the car up a steep hill in reverse. "Smells like clutch. Hm" an unfortunate thing, but it makes sense on why it does that the way it is fluttering the clutch.
Yeah that sucks. Not the first or last time we will hear of clutches going bye bye in reverse. Lol
@@normalguysupercar yeah the first time i heard about that on an e-gear i was kind of surprised, but hearing your explanation of why it does that makes a lot more sense. I just remember people saying, "e-gear + hills + reverse = bad." spendy way to ruin a clutch. They are still fantastic cars with an amazing sound. He sold his superlegerra and followed it up with a gated murci that was the old SP Engineering test mule, and that car sounded innnnncredible. He's on the hunt for another Superlegerra again. He really really loved that car.
I have a Porsche twin turbo 991. Thinking of selling it soon and stepping in to a Gallardo
Nice!
Dan, you need to recalibrate your eGear. Start the car. Put it in neutral. Hold in both paddles for 20 seconds until the system starts the calibration. Then, go test drive it again. You'll find the herky jerky to be far less. Do this often as the clutch wears. You're welcome. Congratulations again on UPGRADING to Lamborghini 👍
I'll check that out
As a former F430 owner, I’m sure you are aware. On a single clutch car, if you lift the throttle slightly when shifting it eases the clutch and provides a smoother shift and less clutch wear. I had an E60 M5 with the SMG transmission and got 60,000 miles before I needed a new clutch.
Smooth isn't how you get it to last longer
Yep your correct. I had the clutch replaced at a dealer, and it was 10K for the F-430. I have a single car garage and my car barely fits in there. I also live in an HOA, so they would not allow anyone to do a job like that outside.
Ah yeah that's a problem
Well done explanation of E-Gear and F-1 clutches. I own both. I use sport mode in the Gallardo but not in the 360 as I like the suspension setting in normal mode. My Ferrari had 55% left when I bought it at 13K mi. It now has 29K and its reading 45% left. So, you definitely can "save" your clutch with proper driving. You didn't mention NOT using Auto mode (other that you are not a fan); does that wear a clutch out more than paddle shifting? Urban legend says yes. Finally, were the clutch and throwout bearing OEM parts/prices from a Lambo dealer? They seemed high. Did you consider a Kevlar clutch?
I don't think auto mode matters much. I did get oem from Ferrparts
He’s the best
Well thank you
I had my eGear actuator go out 2 months after I bought my ‘05 with 22k miles on it. That was fun. Back order everywhere and dealer part price was $7500 IF they could get it. I found one rebuilt on eBay for $3500 after the core refund (so $4500 up front 1k back for the old one). Another $1k to put it in. Runs perfect now but that was exciting. Lol eGear was considered a bad word in my home for a while. Lol Definitely gotta pay to play with these cars. 💰
For performance/supercars the cost to buy may come down, but the cost to own never will.
Yeah the actuators can go out and unfortunately it's not cheap!
was able to improve shifting on my 2008 F-1 F430 by using Royal purple PS fluid in the F-1 system and royal purple gear oil in the transmission !
They were recommended to me by a petroleum engineer ! he said they were the best,available liked their additive package and based on results, I agree ! Smoother , faster shifting !
royal purple a good ol'🇺🇸 texas oil company ! 🙂
Cool
So how much time did you spend trying to figure out the "prerequisite" instructions on the service manual for the G? I literally spend more time jumping around the manual doing this than fixing anything. Oh and it's kind of impossible to print out 350 pages of that damn pdf. Super excited to see the clutch job
The manual is let's just say, lacking.
About clutch life, in my 575, the clutch lasted about 43 thousand kilometers. I had about 4% left😅. It stopped working on the highway in KL and I created a massive jam of mostly rubberneckers making pictures. My 5 minutes of fame… the previous owner mostly drove the car in auto mode which doesn’t help, so I agree with Dan about the longevity of these clutches if properly handled. Luckily labour is cheaper in Asia that with you guys in the US.
Yeah that's about right
Brother I have always left my gallardo in neutral with parking brake when I park it in my garage (flat surface) does it do any harm? Have never parked it in gear.
Well no it's no harm but you better remember that parking brake every time otherwise it might roll away
Please document everything on that clutch replacement please! I'm here, in part, to understand how to maintain my lamborghini.
We will
Same! Can't wait to watch his video!
Dan, do you do the same in a true manual (keep the clutch pedal in and in 1st gear) while at a stoplight? As you said, that doesn’t wear the clutch, but does the throw out bearing. Could that potentially wear out the throw out bearing prior to the clutch going out over time?
Depends on how heavy the clutch is and how long the light is.
Not sure about E-gear but at least every Ferrari F1 systems doesnt free the clutch when you change to neutral. So its totally useless to change to neutral on traffic lights. It takes around 12minutes on idle before throwout bearing is unpressurised.
What’s your thoughts on the smg system on the older v10 m5?
It's a little more sluggish than the egear and later F1.
nice new t shirt Dan. Mo approved?
Yes indeed!
I’m currently looking for a Gallardo or 430. What do you do when you’re caught in the inevitable stop and go traffic?
You suffer. And try not to let it ride the clutch. Lol
It's awful in the Lambo, not gonna lie. We got caught in a bad accident on the freeway the night we got ours and had to stop and go for about an hour. Ours is an LP car and does the herky jerky too!
Verry interesting topic: I would like to share some of my facts. My Superleggera (2008) my clutch/flywheel is just replaced with a new OEM set.
At 50.000km (35.000 miles) my clutch life used percentage was at 105% it was the 1st clutch. Also the dealer recomended me to also change the flywheel since they were calibrated and sold as a set. A bit strange story because you can buy the R8 clutch without the flywheel.
What is your opinion on this?
I don't know enough about lamborghini parts yet to tell you if that's valid.
Hi Dan, I own a LP570.
Would it be better to upshift when the rpm hits 2000-3000, or it wouldn’t matter at all?
Does upshifting at higher rpm wear more clutch?
Hope to hear from you.
I don't really think the shifting matters that much. It the starting that wears more
@@normalguysupercar thank u very much for the response.. Thanks for the tip.
And also does the “Kicking at the seat” while upshifting from 1-2-3 indicates that the clutch is also wearing as well?
Hope my question doesn’t confuse with ur illustration.. 🙏🙏🙏
Pls enlighten me if I’m wrong. Thank u. ☺️
If I had one of these cars, I would love for it to kind of have a slightly pronounced shift. I feel it’s keeping in character with the type of car, especially if you have a Superleggera, Challenge Stradale, Scuderia etc.
Oh it's pronounced all right. Lol
Are there aftermarket larger shifter Paddles? I think I remember you showing them for a Ferrari.
Yes
Hello boss…I have a dual clutch transmission…my dual clutch actuator is messed up right now…can I remove it and just use my engine actuator as single clutch to drive?
No
@@normalguysupercar ok thanks much sir
Dan, on the reverse instructions, does this apply to manuals too?
Not if you fully engage the clutch (foot off pedal) once car is moving in R. Feathering is the best descriptive since most people dont travel in reverse more than 100ft so they dont stay on the gas much at all. Think about your car, I assume unless your on a incline you only tap the gas then use idle to reverse out of garage or parking spot.
Crypto got it. Totally depends how you use the clutch. Fully engaged it's not really wearing. The wear occurs when slipping...
Dan does the reset trick work by holding paddles in neutral for 10 secs?
I'm not aware of this trick?
There is a place samcrac found in Texas that makes clutches that made one for his Aston Martin that saved thousands.
Interesting
my Maserati Cambiocorsa only lasts about 20K in clutch life. I was able to have mine replaced for only $2500 at my local independent Ferrari shop. Interesting fact, my friend's Alfa 4C has the same pump sound when the door is open or unlocked.
I think alfa uses the same pump
Epic idea doing the Lambo content
Thank you
What about the flywheel? Do you resurface or buy new for a clutch job..
Resurface
Maserati Gransports have the same F1 also called Cambiocorsa in the 4200 GT
There we go
Now that would be a popular manual swap, but damn, a hydrobot doing that would be euphoric! As an excuse to use the paddles, I would pop it into neutral, and coast as long as possible up to every stop.
I cannot wait for the yt vid about:
(ex.)(do not do) (jj) (incorrect) (might exist?)
Hack ing in by-unlocking passenger door, flip the key to on 9 times, hit the gas pedal three times, pop it to 1st, and it does a fresh calibration of the clutch, no dark weeebing. 🙄🏁🤖
Ah cool