The nerf to her fire rate is also a nerf to her healing and damage, which is a performance nerf. I really hate it and it’s a noticeable issue in games.
At close range, while landing every single shot she fires, Juno can heal around 80HP/s. Unfortunately Juno is the only support with /healing falloff/, so at range her healing per bullet drops from 7HP down to 2HP. If you're able to land every single shot at a teammate who just dove in, which you're not very likely to do, you're only healing 25hp/s. This is less than Zen's orb, and the lowest amount of potential healing in the game. And again - this is only if you're somehow landing all 12 shots on them. ML7's accuracy was 21% in one of his games - so even he isn't able to land all those shots every single time. With them reduced her fire-rate it just feels really clunky to try and heal anyone who you're not right next to. Juno has the tools to move around the map and get closer to A teammate, but we all know Overwatch teams don't group up very often. Her movement feels amazing and fun, but the actual healing part of her kit feels really really clunky at times. I constantly find myself thinking, "I'd suit my team better if I swapped to someone else."
Her dps doesnt feel rewarding to me at all. I've been in so many situations where pocketing a teammate is more reliable than trying to pressure enemies. Maybe if they allowed her to headshot, increased fire rate, or increased the dmg per hit, it'd feel better. Any one of those 3 things would be a good change imo. Just don't make it too busted.
Then u need more time with her becouse her dps is actually extremely good considering it can be crowd dps and she also burst someone with her ability and her primary fire , characters who cant shoot flyers suffer so much agaisnt her
@@Mid_Potato Juno can't HS, so if a moira or reaper, or the worst of all, sombra, pressure you, running is the best way... You just tickes them, i.think you should be able to defend yourself against them...
@@karmichelIts a team game and a character having a weakness is good design. Support that arnt stationary like an ana or zen should not be able to go toe to toe with a dps that caught you of gaurd.
@@Jibbles123Agreed. Revert fire rate, make it 6 a bullet, and make it able to crit enemies. That way her 1v1 potential is a little better while her healing numbers don’t get better.
Her dps needs to be higher if she's not going to be able to headshot. Simply as that, her damage is very very low and you tend to healbot more often than not because dealing damage outside of Torpedoes is not viable.
She feels like a healbot now. She can barely win duels or keep teammates alive. Plus, she fragile af. Add a busted Sombra in the match and Juno is pretty much useless.
I think juno can really shine at a higher skill level, honestly she feels extremely fun to play, you can fly around with the amazing mobility... but I didn't have a good time playing her on gold & plat where the team needs a little help in damage while keeping them alive. This is where Illari, Kiriko, Zen, Bap shines I love how Ana has so much of potential to change the course of a gameplay too with her unique kit, but she is also a higher skill level hero, where one needs to master positioning and decision-making. If theres a good Sombra on the opponent side, with juno you're pretty much dead, you play too far away theres damage and healing fall off, you play too close you get squished. And I found it almost impossible to win a duel with sombra when theres no one around to support you because at this skill level most of the players tunnel vision on the enemy at their front. I don't wanna get started with Sombra but, the fact she can shut down your ultimate is pretty much a shit experience.
In general and particular against sombras I try to play closer to the team, because 1) The fall off range of my gun and 2) Flankers are easier to fight off when I'm not isolated. Also putting effort into mastering movements (even going for zero death rounds) is extremely helpful. Nothing worse for the enemies than chasing Juno but never getting her. It's almost like Mercy in this regard.
Juno feels like the most fun support ever to be added to OW, while also feeling totally defenseless against most dive heroes. 225hp, no self heals, and a gun that does no dmg means when you hear the sombra hack, you die. Atleast on zen you can discord the sombra and hit head shots but with juno you cant do anything other than hope your co-support peels for you. Which never happens. As it is, juno and zen are the only 2 supports to have 0 self sustain. If theyre going to keep juno in the glasscannon category then she needs to have more dmg and headshots and/or they need to give her self healing on her dash.
@@d00mnoodle62 unfortunately that doesn’t matter when you’re actually fighting people. her gun does literally 0 damage with no chance to even crit comparing her to ana, ana can 3 shot people while also healing herself, preventing enemy from healing and stunning them for a couple of seconds, juno can just go fast and charge up her lock-on which she’ll probably be dead by then
Honestly Hanzo got a huge buff, with that many heroes getting nerfed to 225. Was his nerf needed? I don’t think so, but I clearly did not miss being one shot by Hanzo
Omg why ? His design is a one shot hero. I think in return dropping SA down a bit would balance him out. People just like to run out and not consider the sniper is waiting…
They nerfed the only part of her kit that requires skill and buffed the part of her kit that requires the least amount of skill. They literally patched out the reason why people enjoyed Juno so much, the skill expression, and made her a "wait till the enemy pushes in and press a button" hero.
The big thing for Juno I really want is to have the falling down slowly that Mercy has, I'm talking about pressing the one button to fall down slowly & pressing it again to fall faster. I hate having to let go of the button with my right thumb to move the right control stick, huge missed opportunity.
my father and i were both hoping she could have a small headshot multiplier (1.5x) for her damage AND healing, it would be so neat if she could crit heal with good aim this would work better now with the slower fire rate, but considering we're both gold-ish and he plays on a controller, our sense of her output is limited by our aim/tracking which is difficult
It's hard to tell cause ml7 is massively skilled and revels in the tricks and tactics this hero seems to vibe with. Don't think they should have needed her weapon, especially on release, if it would have been broken, let it be broken for a week or two. Not to mention that these TH-cam videos are edited, so it's possible ml7 actually did terribly. But I assume he did as well as ever. Juno screams high skill ceiling imo
A good change for her is an friendly aim assist on console like ana has, it's really hard to hit allies with their small hitboxes and Juno's good mobility and combined with the small healing each shot gives, it's better off to just shoot the tank in your team if you actually want to heal something
IMO the only change she really needs is no damage fulloff, the reason she can sometimes feel she weak is because she can’t kill people from afar that well because she hits them with a lock-on rocket then can’t secure the kill because of the primary weapon fall-off
@@shawnskyeviews Ana is a hitscan healer and she has no damage fall off. She trades not being able to crit for consistent damage, like how Juno should.
Juno is good, but they shouldn't nerfed her rate of fire, I can't duel people anymore, I feel I am to just tickling people on those cases... Sincerely? Bring back the rate of fire and take one burst of her... The way to play with her is spam the speed ring and run everytime a dps pressure you
Does anyone know if theres any Juno specific settings you need to change? The Float mechanic after her boost feels so off, but i don't know if its a setting or something i have to just get the feel of.
I don’t understand why all these mobile heroes get hp nerfs, yet Genji remains at 250 hp. EVEN HANZO GOT HIS HP REVERTED TO 225, and he’s far less mobile then Genji is. Genji’s gotta be taken down to 225 too bruh
@@SpawnPirate my guy, he has a double jump, a dash that resets on kill, climbs walls and ledges, and can even extend his mobility by using his blade for an extra dash. HE, IS, MOBILE, he should be at 225 too, PERIOD
My take: HP should correlate with hitbox size and damage with skill expression. Harder to hit? Less HP. Easy to hit? More HP. Hard to play? More Damage. Easy to play? Less Damage. There has to be both a drawback to power and a compensation for weaknesses in order a character to be balanced.
Her dps feels so terrible and almost makes it impossible to even have the chance to defend yourself from flankers, you’re such free food for them it’s frustrating
honestly just let her headshot. Bap is able to do the dps and hps he does and can headshot but juno with her lil nerf gun would be broken. The utility is fun but it hardly seems broken and she feels very healbotty, it would be nice to feel more rewarding shooting enemies sometimes Maybe just revert the fire rate her hps doesnt seem crazy either but that seems somewhat balanced with the utility, I'd rather she do a little more dps than atm
The fire rate change is so bad imo. It not only reduced her healing (which was the goal,) it nerfed her damage and made it way too difficult to actually hit shots when you're moving as fast as she does. It's a 12 shot burst that takes 0.42s to come out, meaning it's much easier to miss the later shots in each burst. This coupled with the health reduction means her duelling potential is basically removed so you might as well just heal, which further inflates how much healing she does, which is the opposite of the dev's intentions. Not to rant, but it actually looks like they don't play the game. People liked her because she had lots of skill expression, rewarded understanding the game state and was still fair to play against. Instead they buffed the auto-aim ability and removed an entire aspect of her playstyle, but at the same time they massively buffed DPS Lucio. I don't mind her having 225HP, but when she can barely fight flankers and has no self-peel it feels like we're back to S1 support where you just run and hide all game.
She doesn't feel good to play imo. She's almost as helpless as LW/mercy in 1v1s. It's all about running away. Ana has poor ttk with her gun as well but her cooldowns make her scary (and her hitmark sound is way more satisfying). Kiri, bap, illari, zen all have the feel-good dinks. The only feel-good part of juno's kit is getting a big lock on.
Her biggest problem is survivability. she really struggles against DVA, tracer, or sombra. She has no way to duel them, and she gets one clipped so easily by tracer or sombra. DVA is also just way over tuned and her micro missiles kill you in 1 second
Theyre humans so they dont know how to balance, the last 3 new heroes were too OP on release, so they decided to nerf this one to the ground, and now its actually underpowered. Not much utility. Zen is better
It's great that she's nerfed. Go on overwatch supp leaderboard. Top 500 are fludded with Junos. She's in every game we play. She's dethroned many other supports. We're sick of playing with and against her.
I don’t think players realize how annoying it will be if Juno can duel people. Her usefulness doesn’t have to come from raw numbers, it can come from her utility just like lucio. But even then, her healing/damage per second has just about the same potential as Ana if you can hit a majority of her burst. I’d say I’ve played Juno for 10+ hours already and have had plenty of moments where I’ve been able to clutch heal people and secure plenty of kills. To me, her gun doesn’t feel bad so idk where people get the idea that it feels weak
Yes u just gotta hit every shot and it only get weaker from range but I agree I like her only thing is say increase the target acquisition time on her torpedoes only for healing not for the damage ones
Juno feels better than she did in beta You people need to realize that heals should mainly heal There is no reason she should be throwing bullets like zenyatta
Juno is a short range healer who has to be in the mix of the fight. All of you supports who want to sit back and be safe, I’m sorry but this hero ain’t for you sis😂
The nerf to her fire rate is also a nerf to her healing and damage, which is a performance nerf. I really hate it and it’s a noticeable issue in games.
This
Idk why every streamer talk about the fire rate nerf as if it's a dps nerf ONLY
It's a nerf to hear healing output as well
She feels a bit meh
@@Ahmed-ku9yheveryone complained that she was doing too much healing
@@JhonnyStone100 no, everyone was saying she felt a bit underpowered but healthy.
At close range, while landing every single shot she fires, Juno can heal around 80HP/s. Unfortunately Juno is the only support with /healing falloff/, so at range her healing per bullet drops from 7HP down to 2HP.
If you're able to land every single shot at a teammate who just dove in, which you're not very likely to do, you're only healing 25hp/s. This is less than Zen's orb, and the lowest amount of potential healing in the game. And again - this is only if you're somehow landing all 12 shots on them. ML7's accuracy was 21% in one of his games - so even he isn't able to land all those shots every single time.
With them reduced her fire-rate it just feels really clunky to try and heal anyone who you're not right next to. Juno has the tools to move around the map and get closer to A teammate, but we all know Overwatch teams don't group up very often.
Her movement feels amazing and fun, but the actual healing part of her kit feels really really clunky at times. I constantly find myself thinking, "I'd suit my team better if I swapped to someone else."
right? like she was fine before :C
Her dps doesnt feel rewarding to me at all. I've been in so many situations where pocketing a teammate is more reliable than trying to pressure enemies. Maybe if they allowed her to headshot, increased fire rate, or increased the dmg per hit, it'd feel better. Any one of those 3 things would be a good change imo. Just don't make it too busted.
Then u need more time with her becouse her dps is actually extremely good considering it can be crowd dps and she also burst someone with her ability and her primary fire , characters who cant shoot flyers suffer so much agaisnt her
@@VlKING it's is just better to run away, instead of duel ...
@@karmichel Ye it depends on this situation really because I Also have times where I pressure the other dps
@@Mid_Potato Juno can't HS, so if a moira or reaper, or the worst of all, sombra, pressure you, running is the best way... You just tickes them, i.think you should be able to defend yourself against them...
@@karmichelIts a team game and a character having a weakness is good design. Support that arnt stationary like an ana or zen should not be able to go toe to toe with a dps that caught you of gaurd.
Full release Juno is so good but the fire rate is devastating
They should revert the fire rate nerf and reduce her numbers a bit. The gun feels so clunky now
She’s definitely balanced, but her gun feels weird to use now, they should just revert it and she will be fine
she needs back his firerate
agreed, the gun doesn't feel good
@@Jibbles123Agreed. Revert fire rate, make it 6 a bullet, and make it able to crit enemies. That way her 1v1 potential is a little better while her healing numbers don’t get better.
Her primary fire felt so good before fire rate changes, now it’s a bit meh
Her dps needs to be higher if she's not going to be able to headshot. Simply as that, her damage is very very low and you tend to healbot more often than not because dealing damage outside of Torpedoes is not viable.
She feels like a healbot now. She can barely win duels or keep teammates alive. Plus, she fragile af. Add a busted Sombra in the match and Juno is pretty much useless.
I think juno can really shine at a higher skill level, honestly she feels extremely fun to play, you can fly around with the amazing mobility... but I didn't have a good time playing her on gold & plat where the team needs a little help in damage while keeping them alive. This is where Illari, Kiriko, Zen, Bap shines I love how Ana has so much of potential to change the course of a gameplay too with her unique kit, but she is also a higher skill level hero, where one needs to master positioning and decision-making. If theres a good Sombra on the opponent side, with juno you're pretty much dead, you play too far away theres damage and healing fall off, you play too close you get squished. And I found it almost impossible to win a duel with sombra when theres no one around to support you because at this skill level most of the players tunnel vision on the enemy at their front. I don't wanna get started with Sombra but, the fact she can shut down your ultimate is pretty much a shit experience.
In general and particular against sombras I try to play closer to the team, because 1) The fall off range of my gun and 2) Flankers are easier to fight off when I'm not isolated. Also putting effort into mastering movements (even going for zero death rounds) is extremely helpful. Nothing worse for the enemies than chasing Juno but never getting her. It's almost like Mercy in this regard.
FUN FACT: "I have no idea what is going on!" Is junos response to trying to win a 1v1.
Juno feels like the most fun support ever to be added to OW, while also feeling totally defenseless against most dive heroes. 225hp, no self heals, and a gun that does no dmg means when you hear the sombra hack, you die. Atleast on zen you can discord the sombra and hit head shots but with juno you cant do anything other than hope your co-support peels for you. Which never happens.
As it is, juno and zen are the only 2 supports to have 0 self sustain. If theyre going to keep juno in the glasscannon category then she needs to have more dmg and headshots and/or they need to give her self healing on her dash.
She has shield health so she regens super fast
@@d00mnoodle62 unfortunately that doesn’t matter when you’re actually fighting people. her gun does literally 0 damage with no chance to even crit comparing her to ana, ana can 3 shot people while also healing herself, preventing enemy from healing and stunning them for a couple of seconds, juno can just go fast and charge up her lock-on which she’ll probably be dead by then
Revert the fire rate and nerf her ammo size, she struggles to confirm any kill now
Idk but they should probably nerf Hanzo again though
Nerf Genji
Honestly Hanzo got a huge buff, with that many heroes getting nerfed to 225. Was his nerf needed? I don’t think so, but I clearly did not miss being one shot by Hanzo
Nerf Shimada
@@Speedur_ yeah fr I went positive with him in my last game
Omg why ? His design is a one shot hero. I think in return dropping SA down a bit would balance him out. People just like to run out and not consider the sniper is waiting…
They nerfed the only part of her kit that requires skill and buffed the part of her kit that requires the least amount of skill. They literally patched out the reason why people enjoyed Juno so much, the skill expression, and made her a "wait till the enemy pushes in and press a button" hero.
The big thing for Juno I really want is to have the falling down slowly that Mercy has, I'm talking about pressing the one button to fall down slowly & pressing it again to fall faster. I hate having to let go of the button with my right thumb to move the right control stick, huge missed opportunity.
i was struggling with juno for a bit but after watching this and realizing she is high apm and started playing like that it really helped
my father and i were both hoping she could have a small headshot multiplier (1.5x) for her damage AND healing, it would be so neat if she could crit heal with good aim
this would work better now with the slower fire rate, but considering we're both gold-ish and he plays on a controller, our sense of her output is limited by our aim/tracking which is difficult
her ultimate makes the screen really hectic. lol
Maybe I just suck, but her ult feels waaaay too fast now
for me it feels perfect, but I also tend to use it aggressively with my tank alongside speed ring.
It's hard to tell cause ml7 is massively skilled and revels in the tricks and tactics this hero seems to vibe with. Don't think they should have needed her weapon, especially on release, if it would have been broken, let it be broken for a week or two.
Not to mention that these TH-cam videos are edited, so it's possible ml7 actually did terribly. But I assume he did as well as ever. Juno screams high skill ceiling imo
he was sick of her on stream.
A good change for her is an friendly aim assist on console like ana has, it's really hard to hit allies with their small hitboxes and Juno's good mobility and combined with the small healing each shot gives, it's better off to just shoot the tank in your team if you actually want to heal something
@@gichiarello There already is one
@@Idk_rmon I searched and didn't find it, where is it?
IMO the only change she really needs is no damage fulloff, the reason she can sometimes feel she weak is because she can’t kill people from afar that well because she hits them with a lock-on rocket then can’t secure the kill because of the primary weapon fall-off
She can’t be a hitscan healer and not have falloff. Then she’d be a sniper and that role is taken
@@shawnskyeviews Ana is a hitscan healer and she has no damage fall off. She trades not being able to crit for consistent damage, like how Juno should.
With the decreased fire rate I think she should either have a better healing output or be able to crit, she’s so close to being really good
Juno is good, but they shouldn't nerfed her rate of fire, I can't duel people anymore, I feel I am to just tickling people on those cases... Sincerely? Bring back the rate of fire and take one burst of her... The way to play with her is spam the speed ring and run everytime a dps pressure you
love the new title and thumbnail texts
Does anyone know if theres any Juno specific settings you need to change? The Float mechanic after her boost feels so off, but i don't know if its a setting or something i have to just get the feel of.
@@Bookworm424 I have it set so torpedos and the glide are a hold ability instead of toggle and it feels better for me
It might feel off because you cannot hover downwards after the boost. I had to learn how to consciously turn off her ability if I need to go down.
I don’t understand why all these mobile heroes get hp nerfs, yet Genji remains at 250 hp. EVEN HANZO GOT HIS HP REVERTED TO 225, and he’s far less mobile then Genji is. Genji’s gotta be taken down to 225 too bruh
Genji actually needs to put himself at risk though, they are very different characters
@@SpawnPirate my guy, he has a double jump, a dash that resets on kill, climbs walls and ledges, and can even extend his mobility by using his blade for an extra dash. HE, IS, MOBILE, he should be at 225 too, PERIOD
I think 225 would be a good opportunity to give him a few of the buffs genji mains beg for like a better blade or slightly buffed dash
@@SpawnPirateso does sombra and she got hit with 225. And all she has is a swift step that does no dmg
My take: HP should correlate with hitbox size and damage with skill expression. Harder to hit? Less HP. Easy to hit? More HP. Hard to play? More Damage. Easy to play? Less Damage. There has to be both a drawback to power and a compensation for weaknesses in order a character to be balanced.
Her dps feels so terrible and almost makes it impossible to even have the chance to defend yourself from flankers, you’re such free food for them it’s frustrating
This just hitscan lucio
The fire rate nerf feels so bad--like its kind of awkward. They should have nerfed the dmg/healing instead.
Is it just me or her weapon accuracy is weird? I heal people fine like if had around a 60% accuracy but the game says i have a 9% weapon accuracy
The game saying ML7 has a 12% weapon accuracy is hilarious
Yeah I noticed that too
it doesn’t count you hitting your teammates towards accuracy
@@susboi911 but ana does doesn't she?, plus I do hit my enemies as well lol
@@SynnarSun yea ana does count friendlys hit towards weapon accuracy, it might be bugged
honestly just let her headshot. Bap is able to do the dps and hps he does and can headshot but juno with her lil nerf gun would be broken. The utility is fun but it hardly seems broken and she feels very healbotty, it would be nice to feel more rewarding shooting enemies sometimes
Maybe just revert the fire rate her hps doesnt seem crazy either but that seems somewhat balanced with the utility, I'd rather she do a little more dps than atm
The fire rate change is so bad imo. It not only reduced her healing (which was the goal,) it nerfed her damage and made it way too difficult to actually hit shots when you're moving as fast as she does. It's a 12 shot burst that takes 0.42s to come out, meaning it's much easier to miss the later shots in each burst. This coupled with the health reduction means her duelling potential is basically removed so you might as well just heal, which further inflates how much healing she does, which is the opposite of the dev's intentions.
Not to rant, but it actually looks like they don't play the game. People liked her because she had lots of skill expression, rewarded understanding the game state and was still fair to play against. Instead they buffed the auto-aim ability and removed an entire aspect of her playstyle, but at the same time they massively buffed DPS Lucio. I don't mind her having 225HP, but when she can barely fight flankers and has no self-peel it feels like we're back to S1 support where you just run and hide all game.
They nerfed my favorite thing about her
Her damage was already low I don’t like that they nerfed it even more 😩
in all honesty she's a little too squishy for my tastes they shouldn't have nerfed certain things
Idk Juno not good don’t know this they messed this up
YIPPEEEEEE
She doesn't feel good to play imo. She's almost as helpless as LW/mercy in 1v1s. It's all about running away. Ana has poor ttk with her gun as well but her cooldowns make her scary (and her hitmark sound is way more satisfying). Kiri, bap, illari, zen all have the feel-good dinks. The only feel-good part of juno's kit is getting a big lock on.
Guys is anyone struggling with aiming on her cuz my aim is sooo bad on her
she feels so weak tbh.. im pocketing my tanks and its not enough
I like this vietnam - chinese girl a lots
Gun seems underwhelming
All the games i play and this character is on my team, i lose the game.😊
Her biggest problem is survivability. she really struggles against DVA, tracer, or sombra. She has no way to duel them, and she gets one clipped so easily by tracer or sombra. DVA is also just way over tuned and her micro missiles kill you in 1 second
Both her damage and heals feel terrible now. Hope they let her headshot to buff her
Theyre humans so they dont know how to balance, the last 3 new heroes were too OP on release, so they decided to nerf this one to the ground, and now its actually underpowered. Not much utility. Zen is better
It's great that she's nerfed. Go on overwatch supp leaderboard. Top 500 are fludded with Junos. She's in every game we play. She's dethroned many other supports. We're sick of playing with and against her.
I don’t think players realize how annoying it will be if Juno can duel people. Her usefulness doesn’t have to come from raw numbers, it can come from her utility just like lucio. But even then, her healing/damage per second has just about the same potential as Ana if you can hit a majority of her burst. I’d say I’ve played Juno for 10+ hours already and have had plenty of moments where I’ve been able to clutch heal people and secure plenty of kills. To me, her gun doesn’t feel bad so idk where people get the idea that it feels weak
Yes u just gotta hit every shot and it only get weaker from range but I agree I like her only thing is say increase the target acquisition time on her torpedoes only for healing not for the damage ones
I didnt play her until this update : she’s fine, y’all are just streamer’s pets
Juno feels better than she did in beta You people need to realize that heals should mainly heal There is no reason she should be throwing bullets like zenyatta
Yeah the torpedos are nuts. They did not need a buff in my opinion. Should have kept her primary gun be her output and not the auto damage ability.
Juno is a short range healer who has to be in the mix of the fight. All of you supports who want to sit back and be safe, I’m sorry but this hero ain’t for you sis😂
She’s terrible simple. NEXT!
i think Juno was intended as a pharamercy counter for people who cant aim, so seems ok to bust the missiles and nerf everything else
ML7's ego is bigger than his plays, complimenting himself all the time is such a narrsasistic behavior
It’s called self love. You should try it. If you ain’t your biggest cheerleader then who else will?