I am a firm believer in the saying "you are the company you keep". Whatever they say about Shannen, her best friends are people like Holly and Sarah Michelle Gellar. Two very solid, respected actresses that are known for their dedication and hard work. If Shannen were really this monster, they wouldn't go to bat for her the way they do. Great video, btw.
Thank you! And me too ~ I always thought if someone is seen as a "nice" person, yet all their friends are not, then that "nice" person probably isn't as nice as they appear and it's best to watch your back around them.
All you have to do to know that Alyssa Milano is a terrible catty person is just read her tweets. No one can convince me she's not full of toxicity, in general, as a person. Shannen Doherty may be overbearing like her character, but--also like Prue, I think she meant well. She always seemed to be about elevating the work. I liked her character a lot more than Phoebe, and her acting a lot more than Milano's, and always wished that Shannen'd been the one to stay. Show lost its edge without her, I feel.
@@linatralala2864 That would've been awesome if Rose originally played Phoebe, she already had acting experience by then and I'm sure she would've been great. But as much as I hate to admit it, I honestly did like Alyssa's acting in season 1. She may be a toxic person IRL but I can't lie and say that I didn't think her take on the character in the first season wasn't good because it totally was imo.
Honestly I think Shannen was trying to make the show better and bring it on par with Buffy and Angel in terms of quality but the execs wanted to keep it as formulaic and cheap as possible and that's why they sided with Alyssa at least that's my head canon anyway
I agree! Charmed and Buffy definitely had some competitive episodes.. my sister and I used to like pointing out the similarities, haha. It's definitely an interesting idea for a video topic, too! And yeah.. it's really sad how many 'higher ups' will side with the person that's more agreeable, rather than the one who's actually looking out for the project. 😔
I agree too! Charmed had so many Buffy and Angel actors in roles, and yet the writing was just so juvenile for them. The formula was just god-awful. I always said that Buffy and Angel were for more mature, even adult viewers, while Charmed was more for much younger ones. It was just sub-par compared to the other shows.
Let's face facts, Alyssa was never there because she's got immense talent. When she was little, she was cute and precocious. As a teenager she grew into the girl a lot of teen boys fantasized about, and as an adult that continued. When your entire body of work is based on how attractive you are, you really don't have to bring anything of substance to the table - and, as they say, sex sells. Shannen has always been her own person, a fiercely independent, strong woman who is held and shoulders above Alyssa in terms of prowess. With all that said, she was absolutely not easily controlled,, whereas the same can't be said for Alyssa. Alyssa was easy to control, because as long as she had the spotlight she was happy. She used that to manipulate the males in charge of the show to do what she wanted, in this case that was to get rid of Shannen so all the focus would be on her.
Actually, most articles and opinions I've seen on the topic do the exact opposite, and "praise Alyssa and throw mud at Shannen," as you phrased it. Most media was already predisposed to blame her due to her reputation on 90210; that's why I was more critical of Alyssa than Shannen. I feel like she (Shannen) had already gotten her fair share of the blame and then some. But since you've clearly combed the comments, I assume that you saw that I'm not a "Shannen fan" and don't just blindly defend her, like when I learned that Julian McMahon was apparently the second married man she's been with? Bad behavior is bad behavior, no matter who's doing it. And as for the heart.. I'm sure that you noticed that I don't heart every comment? And even so, I don't always SEE every comment. I use yt studio to try and find the ones I missed. And now that I've seen Mr. Davis's comments, it's funny that I literally just got one from another person saying the ultimatum DID happen and Brad Kern has confirmed it. If that turns out to be true, then that means Mr. Davis isn't correct in saying it never happened, so..? I don't get your point. And as for "trying to make a name for myself by capitalizing on the Charmed legacy.." wow. Way to judge someone without knowing them. And for someone who seems to think I'm judging Alyssa too harshly, you certainly didn't seem to have a problem doing the same to me. When I made my first Charmed video, I had NO idea it would get so much traction. I was just relieved that some people actually agreed.. I thought for sure everyone would be on Phoebe's side. But in the comments section people were discussing the behind the scenes drama a lot and there were things I didn't even know, so this video just seemed to be a natural follow up. Did it ever occur to you that maybe I'm just another Charmed fan who happens to have a different opinion than you? 🙄 And also.. I personally believe that anyone who uses that "a true fan/real fan/og fan" stuff is just promoting toxic fandom. It is not up to some stranger and their random criteria to decide who gets to be a "true" fan of something and who doesn't. Please keep that in mind in the future. Thank you. Good day.
Thank You That Part Exactly This Girl Is Completely Biased & Doesn’t Like Alyssa Milano Everything Isn’t Her Fault They Both were wrong 💯 it wasn’t Just Alyssa and Far as Rose Mc Gowan she hasn’t been the same person since she was in her accident 😮🤷🏾♂️🤙🏾🤟🏾💯
@@legionlife845 Nailed it 💯 This Chick is Obviously Biased and Dislikes Alyssa Milano 💯 The Truth Is That They Allow Played Their Parts in The Drama That Happened & They Owned Up To Their Parts This Chick Just Wanted To Bash Alyssa Milano 🤔🤨🙃😒🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🙌🏾🤙🏾💯
@@raymondluke6206 I'm sorry, but if you disliked my video so much, why do you keep coming back to it instead of just not watching it? 🙄 You've made several comments saying that I'm biased, but have yet to provide an example of how. In fact, it kind of feels like most of the people saying I'm biased are actually the biased ones, as they all seem to jump straight to saying that I must hate Alyssa and I'm "bashing" her. What I actually said was that I don't trust that she was not the more problematic one on set, given that 2/3 of her Charmed co-stars ended up disliking her. Believe it or not, questioning a person's behavior does not automatically mean you are "bashing" them. It means you look at everything when assessing a situation, not just what you're told.. which I think is a very smart thing to do.
I blame Alyssa Milano. Everyone sided with her when Shannon left the showing saying Shannon was the difficult one. Yet rose McGowan has the same issues, if not even more so with Alyssa than Shannon did. Alyssa just couldn’t handle that Shannon was the bigger name of the show than her.
That's what I thought, too! If it had just been Shannen who took issue with Alyssa, then it comes across that the two of them simply just didn't get along. But Rose, who came on the show after Shannen, had problems with Alyssa too? Yeah.. I'm not saying everything was all Alyssa's fault because I'm sure it isn't, but I definitely don't think she's as innocent as some people say.
@@weirdlybeloved To be fair, Rose didn't seem to have a problem with Alyssa until after she married the CAA guy. Rose had been treated horribly by several people in that agency. I don't know how deep Alyssa's husband was in it or if he was specifically such a terrible person but I don't think Rose cared. Everyone in it seems to have been demonized. Cant say that I blame her for those feelings but unless she had something specific on Alyssa's husband I don't know why she would go off as hard as she did about it.
@@afry6400 Idk why TH-cam didn't notify me about your comment! Sorry for the late response! But yeah.. who knows what really went down behind the scenes, but I definitely don't trust groups like CAA. I don't know a lot about them, but what little I've heard hasn't been exactly positive..
I think that the reason people, me included wanted to believe that Shannon Doughty was mostly responsible for her leaving charmed early is because of her leaving 90210 in much the same manner. I mean when someone gets a reputation for being difficult to work with or being a diva people tend to believe that. Honestly I did think that Shannon alone was to blame but I'm better informed now. Maybe Shannon and Alyssa were just too alike in personality because often when people are alike they cannot get along with one another.
@@angelaholmes8888 I would just ignore them. They're currently making their way through the comments section snapping at anyone they disagree with. Sorry you had to deal with that. 😔 But for real.. I've never seen anyone say the later seasons were as good as if not better than the first four. Even season 5, which I actually enjoy, was VERY different than the Charmed we knew and did not have the same heart as it did before.
@@patrickthompson3029 Well.. it's not like I didn't tell you that I wouldn't let you keep harassing people in the comments. I hope you learn in the future that not everyone needs to agree with you, and that you don't need to be mean to make your point.
I was mad she wasn't in the finale but I'm kinda glad she didn't, now that I know she was just protecting her peace. Definitely got a different view of Shannen now. Great video❤
And Holly say how would she know she didn’t even go to high school. When all three sisters hate her they’re not all wrong. She’s not invited to comic con or events where everyone else is for many reasons. And I dislike her for a few.
The other 3 actresses all dislike Alyssa now it doesn’t take a genius to realize she was the problem. I feel validated in my dislike for Phoebe’s character. I can appreciate her trying to take accountability but she only seems to do so for her own gain.
A friend of mine was in a movie with Alyssa and ...well... He has NOTHING but bad things to say about her. He played her love interest, had lots of screen time and said she was an absolute diva. He preferred working with so many others, including Shannen.
Ooh, I would love to hear what someone who actually worked with would have to say, haha. I mean, I'm obviously from the outside looking in, but if even people inside the industry think she's problematic, then.. yeah. I just don't think she sounds like a very nice person.
@@weirdlybeloved Well rose(McGowan) pointed out her hypocrisy regarding Tara reade and her allegations towards Biden for example. Kind of revealing to the world that she(Milano) was only interested in the metoo movement for the clout and not for the very real reasons the whole movement was needed in the first place. Holding powerful men to account for their actions against women. Edit: just watched your video and apparently you are aware.
I'm an One Tree Hill fan and I gotta say that producers often have a big part on pinning actresses against each other, often to keep them to form an united front and demand to be treated fairly as an unity. Wouldn't be the first time it would happen in a CW show. Also, in this industry, a woman who doesn't take BS is often deemed "difficult". There are some dalies that leaked of season 3 and we can see Shannen very annoyed by some things but always in the direction of making the show better, not putting any of her co-workers down. Holly says a lot in the podcast that she was always questioning things and seems to me that she and Shannen were the ones who pushed things for it to be better, and Alyssa wasn't really into that and was easier for the network and producers to deal. This and the romantic storyline seemed enough to assure her place in the series (Funny how Prue didn't have a romantic interest like her sisters, almost like not every woman needed a man to exist). I believe they used Shannen reputation to mask the fact that she was fighting for a different show than what the channel wanted to turn Charmed into. At the end of the day, we all know that the show was better with her and Constance M. Burge. I love Charmed from beginning to end, but the original concept got lost in the later seasons and it seems clear why.
Yeah.. I felt that way, too.. they pushed Constance and Shannen out, and then threw them under the bus to make it look like they did it to themselves. The execs on that show seemed like they were real snakes.. other than Aaron Spelling, I haven't really heard anything positive about them, that's for sure. And right?? I like that the Charmed ones eventually found relationships, but HATE the way that those relationships became their identities. They are a group of very beautiful, very, funny, and very talented actresses playing characters that are also beautiful, funny, and talented. But no.. that wasn't good enough. If Piper wasn't complaining about Leo or Phoebe wasn't obsessing about Cole, then apparently there was no plot at all in the minds of the execs. -_-
Ugh, right? I'm glad that things like this are being addressed more these days, but it's frustrating that they ever happened in the first place. I don't even get why they don't do anything about it.. you'd think studios would have realized by now that bad behavior always comes out in the end, and they'll either be known as the "nice" studio that tried to help, or the "bad" one who ignored problems and tried to sweep them under the rug. :/ *Edited some grammar errors
I felt the same way when I was younger even though I'm a guy lol. I loved her fashion and I related to her closed-off, slightly introverted personality in season 1. These days when I look back, I do feel more similar to season 1 Piper but I can't deny how much of an impact the character of Prue had on me when I was younger :) I'm just glad the character got out with integrity and we didn't have to see her character devolve into someone unlikable.
never listened to one with an avatar before, but you seem sweet and well intentioned, and I definitely came away with lots of new info on my fav show, and presented in a balanced way as best as can in this business. I say we can look forward to more from you, WB:)
On the cancer point, you cant hold that against her. As a cancer survivor, i had many people from my distant past reach out and, sadly, many that i was close with never even called.
When you really think about it, look at the intros in the first three seasons. It was always shannen doherty as prue 1st. 2nd holly marie combs as piper. And alyssa milano as phoebe in 3rd. After prue was killed off, Alyssa was moved up to shannen's spot. Rose mcgowan as paige was in 2nd place. And holly moved down where alyssa use to be in season 1-3 It's a intresting concept when you look at it from a different point of view. It's a question of who they really wanted to be the star of charmed. Idk but just saying.
The first 3 years made sense since Prue was the oldest, Piper was the middle child and Phoebe was the youngest. Holly takes the #1 spot in season 4 but for 5-8 it's Alyssa.
I found your channel a couple of weeks ago, I'm not really that intressted in Harry Potter but i fell in love with your voice and watched all of your videos in a day. I watched Charmed with my mother as a child so these lates videos bring back some found memories. Thank you for that. Great work and keep going! I'm glad I found you early now I can watch you grow!
Aww, thank you so much!! That really means a lot to me! I actually read your comment to my mom and she was like, "oh that's so sweet of them!" 🥰 And if you ever have any suggestions, I'm always happy to try something new! I know that after this video I'm definitely curious about 90210.. I wonder if it's worth a watch? 🤔
@@weirdlybeloved Never saw it but I'm here fore the ride. Tbh I don't realy care what your gonna do a video next I'm gonna watch it and I am sure I will like it! Just do what you wanna do.
Do you think the producers thought about both scenarios story wise. I mean Plot A if we get rid of Shannen and Plot B if we get rid of Alyssa. I wish Shannen stayed because I think the show would have been better. However killing off Phoebe doesn't move the story and the characters don't go through as much growth because Prue was the anchor. Plus it's extremely dark killing off the baby sister versus the oldest.
It's possible, of course! I heard that they had been hoping both actresses would return for the next season, so maybe they wrote it this way because they didn't think they'd actually end up killing anyone off? Hmm.. I have so many questions! 😔
@@weirdlybeloved Yeah, I do too! It would have been great if neither actress left. I think the 4th season would be badass and much darker. Although it was already pretty dark anyway lol. Anyways, I will say they got so lucky with Rose McGowan and I think they nailed the transition (considering the circumstances).If they got any of that wrong the show would probably be canceled.
@@christophernehls5356 For sure! Rose was perfect for the role, and she did the emotional and comedic parts so well! I'm with you ~ if anything had been different, the show probably wouldn't have been able to go on.
I, for the life of me, can't understand why women can't just take the time and sit down and talk. I think Holly even said they should have talked. We have known for years now that women are put against each other for entertainment.
Me either. I grew up in a similar environment and I could never understand why everyone around me seemed to prefer telling everyone BUT the person they were upset with that there was a problem. It's exhausting and it helps no one. 😮💨
@weirdlybeloved I do think some of us are conditioned to keep our heads down and never rock the boat, so when we have a problem with someone, we feel more comfortable venting about it to someone else, instead of doing the right thing and confronting them about it. Of course, even venting to someone else can be scary, too, 'cause we think that we're just "causing drama" by doing so, and some of us are also conditioned to be afraid of any backlash for speaking up about our problems. I do agree that people should be able to talk about their problems with each other, but when someone clearly doesn't wanna do anything to resolve the issue, that's when you choose to not engage them any further, when it's going nowhere. Also, I do agree that trying to get a mediator only made things worse, when Shannen and Alyssa should've tried to talk to each other, first.
@@ShadowSora8491Very true! I definitely know I've been guilty of preferring to keep my head down instead of confronting something I know should be addressed.. it's like a part of you knows that once the genie's out of the bottle anything can happen from there, and your instinct is to just try to avoid the dumpster fire you know is coming. 🔥🔥🔥
It’s just very telling for me that many people end up having the same beef with Alyssa Milano. Also I love charmed and I love phoebe but phoebe’s plot and essentially becoming the real main character are the problems with(well a lot of them) charmed after season 3 give it a rewatch with a fresh pair of eyes
Right? I grew up pretty much believing Shannen was the problem because that's what I always seemed to hear, but when I started doing my own research I realized that there was a lot more to it.. it makes me wonder why the media always blamed Shannen if Alyssa also had a similar rep behind the scenes? 🤔 And I'm with you on the Phoebe thing. The early years were way too Prue-focused imo, but instead of balancing that out when she left, they just kind of did the same thing with Phoebe. 😕
Except it’s not many and it’s not the same beef. It’s basically Shannen and Rose. Shannen had a history of being difficult which is essentially indisputable, and Rose is (and this is just my opinion) not credible, bitter about her Hollywood experience and turned it into an “activist” grift, and is a little nuts. None of this is to defend Alyssa and claim she had no fault. I think they all played a part, and the producers evidently capitalized on it to manipulate and control their set.
@@EastSide-qc5oyDefinitely agreed! Rose never seemed to have an issue with Alyssa until they disagreed about politics, and then suddenly Alyssa was this huge diva she absolutely hated and is glad to be away from.. even though there's pictures of them together outside of work? I wonder if Rose is just rewriting the narrative because she NOW does not like Alyssa?
I don't know, Shannen was fired from her other famous tv show for being difficult to work with as well so maybe that's not a coincidence. But then again, Rose McGowan also has talked negatively about Alyssa, so maybe she isn't as innocent and Shannen is not as guilty? I don't know. Nice video tho.
I like Rose and her work as well, but most of the problems Rose had with Alyssa didn't happen until after Alyssa married her husband who was in an agency that didn't treat Rose very well. In fact there were abuse charges involved though as far as I know he personally wasn't involved. Rose spoke about Alyssa being married into that agency and considers her a fake and a fraud for being married to a man who is part of it. Anything else she has to say about Alyssa I'd take as justification. Rose has had a lot of problems and a legitimate beef about what's happened to her but I do feel she lashes out unnecessarily because of them sometimes.
Shannen wasn’t fired from either show. She quit. Aaron Spelling ran both shows. If he had fired her from one show for being difficult, why would he hire her for another? She’s a strong woman who knows her talent and worth. If she feels manipulated or the show or her character isn’t moving in alignment with her beliefs of what is right, she has no problem leaving. Spelling actually liked her so much he let direct episodes on both shows.
@@MichiaMakesIt's always been known that she was fired from 90210, and she just recently confirmed she WAS fired from Charmed too, so.. I'm sure she is a strong woman who knows her talent and her worth, but that doesn't necessarily mean her behavior isn't problematic as well.
Hufe OG Charmed fan and the whole controversy with Shannen Doherty and Alyssa Milano was something I would think about a lot back in the day when I first learned of it. I didn't watch a lot of seasons 1-3 of Charmed when it ran, I only caught a few episodes here and there because my father watched the show and I'd watch with him. I started watching it more regularly on my own around the later half of season 4 and being confused why Prue wasn't in it and a few years later, learned about the truth (at the time lol) on VH1 when they listed off some top 20 list of celebrity feuds and Shannen and Alyssa's feud was featured in it. I was shocked to say the least because you wouldn't have thought there was drama with the actresses because they had such great chemistry on set in the first 2 seasons and half of season 3, you could tell something was off towards the end of season 3 as Shannen and Alyssa felt off in their scenes together. Prue was my favorite character and I never could get over her being gone, Shannen nailed the role as Prue and she played it so well. But seeing how the show really went downhill after season 4, I feel like she got out just in time because it would've been hard to see Prue's character go downhill like Piper (naggy) and Phoebe (self-absorbed & conceited). The show should've only went 5 seasons at the most in my opinion but what happened, happened lol. Also I'm glad you brought up Brad Kern and his scuminess. It's a known fact for a lot of us fans that the show's tone and atmosphere is so different when you compare seasons 1-4 and seasons 5-8 to the point where they felt like different shows and a big part of that was because of Constance Burge's department. When I learned that Constance was the one who wanted to focus on witchcraft and sisterhood while Brad wanted to focus on love stories and sexy wardrobe and how this lead to the two clashing when it came to writing, it all made sense. I don't blame Constance for leaving but in another universe, I wish she stayed and they gave Brad the boot because I loved the tone and mood of the first 2 seasons (season 3 was fun too). Whenever I do re-watches of the show, whenever I get to seasons 5 and up, it's a painful (but hilarious in how bad it is) time 😅 I also saw another comment on how it felt like the WB/CW environment was toxic and lived for the drama and I think this is true for sure because tabloids in the late 90s and 00s thrived on that stuff. The Charmed drama definitely fell into this.
Totally agreed! The later seasons really did just have a completely different vibe.. to the point of being ridiculous, honestly. I don't remember which episode it was, but there was one where this woman was so jealous of Phoebe's "good looks" she took over her body to "be pretty," and I remember seeing the promos saying something like "the Charmed Ones face their ugliest demon yet," and it's like.. really? That's what the show has come down to? Looks? Just.. wow. And yes!! I actually cut out a part of the audio I recorded while watching a video that had Brad Kern in it, because I just bust out laughing at his audacity. He actually had the gall to talk about how the sisterhood aspect is very important and the focus of the show, and it's like.. not with YOU at the helm, buddy! You helped run out the people who tried to keep that element in, remember? 🙄
@@weirdlybeloved It really was! It started out as this somewhat dark, mature series that focus on sisterhood and the occult with demonology and later on it became Sex and the City and Desperate Housewives but with fairytales & magical creatures with a forced in Harry Potter sub plot with "Magic School". I just hate what it became, it's not what brought me to Charmed, it was witchy occult and sister bond lol And oh yeah, I remember that episode! I think it was in season 6 where Phoebe was at her worst and most self-absorbed always boasting about her looks and how famous her column was. It was horrible, especially when Phoebe was such a fun and likeable character in season 1 and season 2. But I mean you could even feel the shift when you saw the wardrobe the sisters (with the exception of Piper) were wearing. I noticed that in season 1 and half of season 2, they dressed in normal (but somewhat stylish for the time) clothes but then in the later seasons, their outfits started getting more risque and don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with dressing sexy if you want but I just mean that this change further exacerbated the direction the show was going in with Brad Kern's direction no less. And I don't blame you, he really said that lol. Sisterhood was on the backburner in those later seasons and the main focus was on Piper and Leo's (toxic) relationship and Phoebe and Paige's romantic lifes of revolving door of men who didn't tend to stay long until "Coop" and Henry. Just wow, I can't believe how tone deaf he was if he seriously believes that lol.
@@KaiDecadence Completely agree! I actually love Desperate Housewives, but that is sooooo not what Charmed was supposed to be! And then the magic school stuff.. just.. no. It was a fun idea, but I think it was introduced way too late into the series and it was really only ever there as a plot convenience. And you're so right about the wardrobe! Their outfits in the first few seasons were generally cool but not like.. too risque. Then later on it's like, hey underwear is technically clothing, right? 🙄 Though I have to admit, I absolutely loved Alyssa's outfit in the season 5 episode Sympathy for the Demon. She looked so beautiful in that blue shirt, especially with the smoky eye makeup. Honestly, I'd love to just raid the Charmed wardrobe haha.
@weirdlybeloved That was "Freaky Phoebe" season 7 episode 19. The huge emphasis on looks, particularly Phoebe's, is a big drawback for the show. It's also one reason why Piper was my favorite over the series. She never relied on skimpy clothes to draw attention to herself.
The audio is so much better! The video about Phoebe being responsible for the death of Prue I literally had to play it on full volume on my car speakers and it was still pretty quiet 🫣🫶
@@mybuffysummers Thank you! And yuss, Charmed is amazing! I'm already working on the next video but it's taking forever because I keep stopping to actually watch the show instead of just grabbing the clips I need. The feeeels 🫠
Well... I guess it was a wake up call for her. My three aunts and my mum got into feuds, too and I always tried to get them back together. So when one of them was diagnosed with cancer, I told one of my aunts and she was like "Forget about the past... Thats my sister for crying out loud! Where is she? I'll go straight to the hospital she's at the moment." My late aunt was a little bit angry at me for spilling it, but she also was relieved that she still means a lot to her two younger sisters (including my mom) and that they moved on and stayed at her side until the end. It got brought the family back together.... maybe that's what happened to Alyssa, too with Shannen. And yes, sometimes such an event like a deadly illness is a wakeup call. And I have to admit: Even Holly and Shannen don't tell that much about each other anymore, even though they meet on a regular basis according to Holly. I don't think Alyssa and Shannen are hiding something, I think it's just between the two of them and seeing their comments lately, I think they finally managed to move on and it is of no concern for the public.... maybe to prevent further drama going on in the papers and magazines... I think this video is a typical example of "I'm not blaming her, but..."... so you blame her in the end 😅 There are no "buts", it always takes at least two entities for a catastrophe to happen, so I don't think Rose is that innocent, either. The only one who never clashed with anyone, is Holly. She talked back when she felt it was necessary, but she never had a fall out with all three of them, at least not something we would recognize in public.
I never said that Rose was innocent though? I actually said that it felt like everyone put their hand in the cookie jar at some point, meaning that I think everyone involved in the drama contributed to it. My point was that most of the articles I saw seemed to point the finger at Shannen, when it takes two to tango as they say. And Rose wasn't even actually on the show when Shannen was, so she not only had nothing to do with why Shannen left, but managed to have her own issues with Alyssa regardless.. I do think it's a bit sus that 2/3 of the actresses Alyssa worked with ended up disliking her, but some still think the only problem was with them, not her. That is a nice story about your mom and aunts, though. I'm glad that they managed to come through for each other and put aside their differences.
Holly and Shannon were beefing recently too I believe. But it seems they're on good terms now. The wizard's actor from S4 once said at a convention that they were all bishes to work with. It's jarring hearing that said by a guest start who just worked with them for a week. So while his word was sexist, I think there must be some truth to the toxicity they all brought to set.
@@TCt83067695 True! Especially as someone else pointed out, his appearance on the show was long after Shannen had left, so the fact that he still says the set was "toxic" kind of supports the idea that it wasn't Shannen that was the problem.
As far as I can tell Alyssa is the source of problems. Everything that's being said about her and even the politics she constantly pushes suggests she decides her opinion based on what is safe an popular instead of what she actually believes. That just can't work well with Shannen who is apparently very passionate about the art or Rose who is passionate about everything and natural rebel. I just feel bad for Holly because she seems to be in the middle of this conflict and apparently staying on friendly terms with all the parties.
It really saddens me see Rose like that. She was so put together during the show but reading her bio and seing her personal choices it seemed inevitable. I remember reading as an innocent child about her upbringing in a cult and her weird choices (meaning substance abuse but not stated out right). I knew something was wrong reading all these stuff but I loved Charmed so much. Also, back in the day we didn't discriminate people bases on their political affiliations but we judged based on their behavior and personality alone. Now everything is about your politcs and noone cares about personality (I talk from my very own bad experience)
Right? Everywhere you look these days politics are being forced down your throat, and it's just like.. can we not? I never really liked politics to begin with, but when you can't even watch a single movie without having to deal with SOME sort of "message" designed to cater to today's politics, it's just way too much. Personally, I'd much rather get to know people based on interests and how they treat other people than what party they support/president they like/etc., but that's just me.. I'm so sorry to hear you've had a bad experience with this sort of thing! People can be so mean. 😢
A huge thing, for Shannen, Alyssa, and perhaps Holly and possibly (?) Rose, seems to have been the transition from child/teen star to adult working actress. That both Shannen and Alyssa had that background perhaps amplified the effects of personality differences and the other factors involved, such as the apparently grueling shooting schedule. I dunno, the whole saga in this case just makes me think at a meta level that there needs to be a course or a book or some guidance for young people in Hollywood if they want to stay in the business as twenty-somethings and beyond. Folks mentioning jealousy due to different factors like pay differentials and character focus in the story -- surely the showrunners and the network should make the logical leap in advance that "Hey, the entire show concept is that it's an ensemble based on a close sisterly bond, so let's have the things we can control like pay and character focus be as equitable as possible"? Like, these are things the Powers That Be can and should control to ensure the success of their own project. Which also sets the actresses up for a relationship as equal members of an ensemble cast. As for the tweets about the Democratic Party between Alyssa and Rose -- that's literally just the debate/discourse between any two people on the US center left about the Democratic Party. I've had that conversation with folks of the more anti-party viewpoint and we were just regular schmucks,, you know? That's not a thing unique to these actresses.
Yeah, I imagine the girls probably would have gotten along a lot better if the showrunners didn't play favorites and do backdoor deals and the like. Of course that's going to create conflict between their stars! And yeah, the politics thing is just.. odd. I'm not involved in politics at all and it's so bizarre to me to see so many people automatically turn things political and/or judge others based on their political affiliation. it's like.. can't we all just have our opinions and leave it at that? Does everything really need to escalate to the point where it becomes about politics? Seems exhausting to me.
Alyssa Milano should have left the show and then Cole Turner could have had a happy ending. I liked Phoebe, but she just became toxic towards the end of the show.
I read in a article during the time that the producers believed that Holly would leave the show once Shannen left. So they paid her and Alyssa off to stay. They had a Pre Ghost Whisperer Jennifer Love Hewitt and a Tru Calling’s Elisha Dushku audition but Rose got it because of her personality, prenup look, and performance in Scream. I believe Shannen found out about the ultimatum and tried to quit. They threaten to sue because they knew Shannen and Holly together was the original deal. Shannen leaving meant Holly leaving. This is according to Aaron Spelling. And my baby Shan said she she didn’t get a call for the last episode. She wasn’t even aware. Brad Kern said he didn’t want to even show a photo because he’d have to pay her.
beverly hills crew : "she was late, calleous and indifferent" me : sounds like a teenager to me, it's not odd for someone in their early 20s to portray adolescent-like behaviiours, specially if they're unwell Shannen : *was a unhappy teen* me: well, she did great for an unhappy teen, most people i know if put in her place woud punch people in the face, make riots and bully everyone else
You might have missed she did get into tiffs with a few of the other actors on 90210. She and Jenny who played Kelly on the show nearly did come to blows at least once.
The annoying thing here is that I blocked Alyssa Milano's twitter on purpose but STILL see her posts every once in a while because people re-tweet her. Gah.
Shannen and Alyssa have both discussed it over the years, with Alyssa more recently owning her part in what happened. She did go to the network and give the ultimatum, something Brad Kern has confirmed more than once but Shannen going had a lot more to do with him and Shannen not getting on more so than the issues with her and Alyssa.
Regarding Tori Spelling, I feel like she’s been pretty vocal of her dislike of Shannen, and as a Nepo baby, I feel like her power and influence would have made people give more credit to her side of things than Shannen’s.
I have just decided to take the position of “I’ll never know the full truth and there are things about all three of them that I like and dislike so I’ll let the drama stay between them.” Personally, I think the actual truth probably lies somewhere in the middle… And you are probably right about Brad Kern. I fully believe he would purposely tell lies to the women for his own personal reasons.
So Brad Kern stole the Book of Shadows. This is disturbing. Piper: "Evil got the Book of Shadows! How did evil get the Book of Shadows?" Phoebe: "Oh, no!"
I’m watching part way of this and I live for the drama tbh lol. I need this to be widely known that Aaron offered her the job, she owns a small percentage of the show - she helped the crew and cast get their job (she was VERY involved in casting). She brought in people from BH90210 to guest star as demons or whatever. Shannen is a badass who literally slays at acting. Alyssa was there and ventured on. Props to staying to the end but that’s about it. Shannen left, she wasn’t fired. The information about her filming in 2001 and then the execs saying she’s fired really doesn’t sit well with me. However, Shannen will make a podcast and reveal all soon haha!
I also love Rose and I didn’t know Julian McMahon (pronounced McMan) was actually married at the time but Shannen has openly stated they were dating and it doesn’t really bode well with me that someone like Shannen would be the “other woman”. She may have made Julian just end it when they found each other.
@@seana_momsen actually shannon in the past was the other woman she slept with her former co star melissa Gilbert first husband while he was still married to melissa I read about it in melissa first memoir
Wait, Shannen actually owns a small part of the show and she still got pushed out?! That is SOOO unfair.. and man, I would so love to see her do a podcast! I doubt she has the patience for drama, but I bet she would still find a way to make it crystal clear how she feels about things. 🫠
Once you add Kern to the mix the Mediator makes sense. Cause that's what a network would do when confronted with harassment allegations than in dealing with two conflicting actresses. Not saying that they didn't argue or tension between them. Just that it is more commonly seen a mediator is part of a legal conflict instead of a personality conflict.
For leading actresses "Charmed" always was rather a competition than a sisterhood. Competition for screen time, interesting roles and, of course, money. And when there is money involved and actresses' image in danger everything is possible. Everyone of them was and is different and very opinionated, but the problems started towards the end of season 2 when Prue took the spotlight quite a lot. Alyssa Milano became very problematic and envious of Shannen. She wanted to take her place because Shannen was the heart of the show and Shannen wanted more creative freedom and wanted to make more input to the show, but she was not allowed neither improvise nor direct episodes (except the one where her character dies). That caused lots of drama on the set and one of them had to leave. At the same time Connie Burge, the only one who supported Shannen left and as Alyssa slept her way to the top and was Brad's Kern favorite (for a reason), he and Aaron decided that she stays (despite the fact her leaving and replacing with Paige would be more organic) and fired Shannen. Holly was pissed off and hated that because she and Shannen were close long time friends so they stopped being friends with Alyssa after that and before Alyssa's mother even was at Holly's wedding. In season 5 Alyssa finally got what she wanted, changed her hair color to black and became boss lady character, concentrating more on career than romance, basically new Prue. And Rose became the new Phoebe, cute towheaded and rebellious youngest sister. Only Piper's character stayed the same to the very end of the show and her and Leo's happy ever after. Alyssa is also absent on all of the Comic Cons where the rest of the cast is present and on most of the interviews you can see how she is sitting separately from everyone else so the facts speak for themselves. She's not even getting invited because no one likes her, especially Rose McGowan.
Hi, thank you for sharing your perspective! And yeah, I don't think Shannen had as much creative control as she would have liked, but she actually directed three episodes (Be Careful What You Witch For, The Good, The Bad, and the Cursed, and All Hell Breaks Loose) not just the season 3 finale. ❤️
I don’t really agree with phoebe having more focus on career because out of all characters she’s the one with the most love interest , yes maybe at the beginning they did focus on career but it’s very short period of time like when she was taking a gap year instead of focusing on herself she date the guy who replace her at the journal , and the sisters didn’t really have a lot of focus on their career in my opinion and they relationship is not really the focus like it should have been . Personally I think phoebe regress a lot after season 3 so at the end was it really worth it ?
“The facts speak for themselves” in a long comment where you’re quite obviously mixing facts with personal subjective opinions, speculation, and a dollop of fan fiction. Nice job.
I do wonder about the split with conferences as well. Alyssa always attends separately while most of them go together (Brian, Holly, Rose, Drew, Shannen). Is that due to scheduling conflict or personal..
@@Rosalyne-20Oh yeah, they definitely regressed Phoebe's character a LOT in later seasons, but especially in season 6. I still can't believe in the premiere she ditches her sisters while they're in crisis.. all because a guy (that she didn't even LIKE) stood her up and she had to go confront him RIGHT then! It's like.. wth?! That's not something even season 1 Phoebe would have done!
@@joseystrife8780 I think I saw that! A Charmed movie definitely sounds like an intriguing idea, but I hope it would be faithful to the original vision of the show if it ever happened.
I’ll be honest I think a lot of the male producers were a big issue and media… sad to see strong women rip each other on set. I know a lot of the girls partook in helping produce (not rose though I noticed a lot) but still kern knew what he was doing… I loved all the girls and and would rather see them together and joyful
Also another thing I like to say it is lame that they didn’t want to pay Shannon for the pictures so we can at least know she really was there and it would’ve been awesome to see prue meeting Paige as spirit but I know that is a fan thing and these male producers just sucked
I think so too ~ it really feels like the females on the show cared about making a great show, whereas the males only seemed to care about the bottom line... and feeding the drama. I really believe that they (particularly Brad Kern) were at the center of a lot of the problems, and if there's ever a Charmed union with all four of our ladies, I hope he's NOT part of it.
Alyssa was willing to get down for the crown and Shannen was not plain n simple when Alyssa played that character in the movie Fear i could tell how she roll 😅
The religion thing, I don't get. They're pretty much established as Catholic in the first few episodes. Piper volunteers for the Parish and seeks council in her Priest. The show started out with them having super natural powers that they just decided to call "witch." When the show runner changed, things got inconsistent. Willow from Buffy, one of the most famous onscreen witches of all time, was Jewish. She had to go to Xander's house to watch A Charlie Brown Christmas and see him do the Snoopy dance for crying out loud.
I’m not christian but it’s pretty simple. Fundamentalist christians and strict catholics tend to not appreciate secular depictions of witchcraft or “wicca” (I think in the early episodes they were using the word “wicca” but my memory might not be right on that). Sometimes they are vehemently against such depictions. To them it is promoting false religion and it’s pretty much the same as devil worship. Spell casting, supernatural powers, communicating with spirits, all big no no’s. Someone who is a less literal christian, a less fundamentalist christian, might not have the same objections. The sisters might have been established as Catholic but nothing in the show as it progressed revealed them to be practicing Catholics.
I've always liked everything Shannen did in everything I've ever seen her in but everything I've read about her work and personality is that she can be incredibly controlling. As the star that can be worked around. However as a co-star it can cause a lot of friction between her and anyone else who is also very controlling. I'm not saying any one of them was more at fault or less at fault. I'm sure they each had their roles in whatever dramas did occur. As for Brad... I do think he likely added more to the problem than people realize.
True! I kind of have that in common with Shannen, and I've really tried to work on it because it's really not fair on the others around you.. so I definitely get where you're coming from! But yeah, Brad had always struck me as a jerk. I bet things on Charmed would have been WAY better if they'd gotten rid of him instead of Constance.
@@patrickthompson3029 First.. really? "diva Doherty?" I get that you don't like her, but I think calling her that in every comment is a bit much. Second.. might want to double check your facts before you start correcting people because OP is right and you're the one who is wrong. Shannen's first name is spelled with an e instead of an o. Googling her name and/or visiting her wiki page to confirm this takes two seconds. 🙄
My opinion of Shannen vs Alyssa changes as the years go by. In 2020-2021 I thought Alyssa was the victim. Right now in 2023. I think Shannen fell on the sword and took most of the heat. Of course they are good now, Shannen survived Cancer like life s too short for grudges. But I think Alyssa was the problem. Sorry. I like Alyssa but yeah you have 3 people who side eye you and one HMC is loved by everyone so why would she lie?
Right? Back in the day, I 100% believed the problems were due to Shannen. But over the years I started to believe the same thing ~ that Alyssa was a big part of the problem, but Shannen was the one fell on the sword. The weird thing is, though, Alyssa says they're good now, but I can't seem to find if Shannen has echoed this anywhere.. I know she's very private, but I'm not sure how much I believe Alyssa, you know?
As someone who studied film semiotics (I'm an expert in the field) it pretty obvious who the problem is when you look at the conventions: everyone has shown up for a convention except 1 person. Common sense tells you the rest.
Right? Alyssa barely ever attends Charmed conventions, and it's really hard to believe that they're all due to "scheduling conflicts," as one person claimed. It's much more likely that Alyssa just doesn't want to be there, but you'd think that if she's really as "cordial" with her former co-stars as she claims then there really shouldn't be an issue, but.. hmm. 🤔
@Weirdly Beloved…. You claim you’re not biased, yet you make a comment like this, and you ‘heart’ ♥️ every comment that bashes Alyssa. Just admit that you hate Alyssa and be done with it. There’s no need to pretend, you’re not fooling anyone.
@Scribbblebytes…. Common sense would dictate that “The friend of my enemy is also an enemy “. Shannen was friends with Holly and Rose prior to working on ‘Charmed’ with Alyssa, so of course those 3 would get along. As per high school bullying tactics, Shannen’s friends would gang-up on the person Shannen hates, and in this case it’s Alyssa. You claim you’re an expert, yet you can’t comprehend such a basic dynamic between friends. Why would Alyssa attend an event with two people who publicly announced their hatred of her? She was wise not to attend such a toxic reunion.
@@j.r7721 I don't hate Alyssa, and I think you need to take another look at the comments before you decide to make claims like that. I've liked comments that compliment Alyssa, and said in multiple responses that I don't have a problem with her and that I think she's a very talented actress with great comedic timing. And I also said that I think the show runners were needlessly cruel to her for designing an episode (the season 5 premiere) specifically tailored to force her to face her phobia, because after 4 full years on the show I refuse to believe they DIDN'T know she was terrified of deep water. I said they were lucky she didn't walk off the show right there and then. So yeah. I'm not sure I'm the one who is biased, but thank you for assuming I hate Alyssa.
Agreed.. especially after they became producers on the show. I really wish that once they'd obtained more creative control on the show, they would have brought back the sisterhood theme. 😔
Just wanted to say thank you so much for sourcing everything. A lot of sites are very hateful to shannen or Alyssa and take everything out of context I love how you source everything to dig deeper into the truth and don’t just do surface level research. My understanding is that studios like WB is a very dog eats dog world it’s easy to lose yourself in places like that and to feel like someone is superior to you so as a result Alyssa felt like she had to be better than shannen and shannen has this prideful authoritative personality which can be mistaken for bossy so it was just easy for them to be put against each other.
Thank you so much! I'm used to being on an art site where you're expected to credit your references, but I think it's a really important thing to do! Especially when using artwork or something someone created themselves ~ And right? That's why I wanted to make the video - every article I read about it seemed to be working some angle, continuing to pit the girls against each other, and I was like.. isn't there ANYTHING out there that is at least somewhat neutral? So I tried to dig deep and just present everything I found in what I hope was a fair way! And I think you said it perfectly! WB/CBS definitely sound like they allowed a toxic atmosphere to flourish (seriously.. how did it take THREE investigations to get Brad Kern off of NCIS:NO??) and it affected everyone involved.. I really wonder how all of them would have gotten along if the companies had provided a better work environment?
That's what I always wondered! If Shannen was so problematic on Charmed, then you'd think there would be some sort of example as to how, like there was with 90210. But other than not getting along with Alyssa, I've never heard a single reason as to how she was "difficult to work with" on Charmed, which makes me highly doubt she was the one that was the problem. Especially since Rose had her own issues with Alyssa, too.
@@Finngrinder That's what Alyssa claimed, but considering the fact that Shannen herself has said nothing of the sort and they still haven't attended any cons/public appearances together (even though they've both attended them separately) makes me seriously doubt how true that is. 🧐
That’s bull shit. He didn’t haven have paying her on his mind. Shan said she never got a call about the finale and he said he would have had to pay her even for a photo. Watch the interview with Kern and the response from Shan. It comes out of their mouths.
It was becoming a thing to pay actresses for their images or character names at the time when they left a show. I don't know if it was in her contract when she signed on or if her being let go broke that deal but one of the things even Holly said is that Shannen was big about knowing her worth and fighting tooth and nail to make sure it was covered by the time Charmed came around. They might not have had to call her, just check the contracts before they bothered.
But she said on stage that they DID ask her to come back for the finale, but she didn't like the way it was written? Shannen changes her story a lot, it seems.
Brad Kern said that he fired her. Shannen said she quit. I heard she heard word that she was getting fired and beat them to the punch. It’s like the how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? The world may never know.
I really liked this video and I think like holly said people only focus on the drama and in my opinion people don’t blame enough the production and the network they want to choose between shannen and alyssa when they’re not the only one at fault . And seeing what the show becomes shannen was right about the direction the show was taking even holly wanted to leave because she felt like every episodes were the same
Me too! As much conflict as the girls had, it's so clear that the showrunners were the worst and likely compounded the issues 1000%. I mean, even in a blooper shot from season 5, Holly is up on a ladder and she's clearly not happy about it, and says that Brad Kern should be up there next and gives the camera a 'yeah, I said it' look! I feel like that says a lot about how they probably felt about him, and he sounds like he was an absolute nightmare. I have no idea why they never fired HIM.
Okay. So the rumor I heard was that Shannon gave the ultimatum not Alyssa. Something about a pay difference and someone was getting more than the other and Shannon said choose one and WB said Alyssa. As far as Alyssa vs Rose. All I know is Alyssa is married to the NAA or NRA or something N with an A and they’re apparently anti woman? I saw an interview on this long ago. Anyway, Rose of course always fighting for woman which yay clap clap I do too. Here is what I don’t do, I don’t call out a man named Weinstein at a public venue. I don’t do this with a best friend named Asia Argento, who groomed her co star when he was 8 and became physically intimate with this person when they were just a few years older. Photo evidence confirmed. That’s what I don’t do. Also, Holly as piper was also my favorite. Powers, relationships, kids, and snappy come backs.
@@patrickthompson3029 Avtually yes I do. When someone publicly accuses someone else of doing something on tv no less, only for the world to find out you did the exact same thing yes. Rose wanted Weinstein’s head on a platter only to be confronted with the Argentine question and said to let the courts deal with it. What’s the medication for that? A shot of reality.
@@juliettek.9440I can't see what that commenter said since I blocked them from the channel, but I'm really sorry you had to deal with them! Idk what set them off but they were combing the comments and being nasty towards anyone they didn't agree with, so.. again, really sorry if they were rude to you at all! 😢
@@weirdlybeloved oh no no, you shouldn’t feel responsible. Thank you for doing that, but you shouldn’t felt bad for what others do. Some people just have no time on their hands other than to be gross. Again thank you.
The audio is perfect now, it's true that it was rather quiet but that is actually not that much of problem since you can just put your audio up. But it sure is a nice quality of life improvement haha Also again, you deserve it! "Let's find out" I know I say this a lot but just the way you present yourself...it's so freaking cute I can't help it but smile and laugh with you!! XD Well I can't say much about the video but I definitly won't lose my "comment and full watchtime on every video" streak hehe😝
Thank you! I'm so glad the audio is better! ☺️ Lol, you have no idea! I have so much stuff I cut out of videos because I end up tripping over my words or just laughing like a maniac! I'm starting to save them and will probably do a blooper reel or something in the future, haha. 😂 And thank you so much! I love reading your comments! 🥰
@@weirdlybeloved Yeah but again it was just the audio tuning so no worries about any other thing regarding that. You want to kill me right?! You are aware that i would not be able to survive like 10-30 mins of rose going ham without holding back?! My heart wouldn't be able to withstand this level of cuteness!😯 Hehe everytime again since It's not only keeping my streak up but also a way of supporting you for the algorythm~😇
12:54 finally. Ppl who say S6 was their favorite live on a totally different planet to us lol Also, thanks for fixing the audio thing. No need to apologize 👍🏾 😊
I am choosing to imagine that Marie, the original choice for the role of Phoebe, didnt turn the role down due to her being christian, but her being an Evil witch, who felt the morality of the series didnt reflect positively enough on Evil and also lacked accuracy, this is my chosen head canon.
Her name was Lori, not Marie. And Shannen and Holly both said in the recent podcast that it was 100% due to her faith; apparently her church didn't like that she was playing a witch and told her she would go to hell, so she quit the show.
i actually think shannen seems like the most mature one out of all of them now, and i don't really know any of them so no hate, but i had to laugh at her comments about how she acted that way bc she was "young" - at a time where she was probably close to 30. people who aren't actors seem to mature way earlier than that.
My favorite was Phoebe and Piper. But I liked Prue too. I missed her so much when she left. Even though I liked Paige it took some time for me to enjoy the show again without Prue. I have also read so many articles over the years about why Shannon left and I have always been confused on what is really true.
I wonder what would have happened if Alyssa had left and it was Phoebe who died? I mean as far as the story. Maybe it could have helped with the Cole storyline.
That definitely would have been interesting to see! Julian actually made a great Cole imo, he just had to deal with pretty much acting out the same plot over and over.. having to live with the guilt of Phoebe dying probably would have given him some great material to work with!
@@jackiesliterarycorner That would've been awesome! Cole could've been Darryl's new partner xD Darryl and Andy were pretty neat together but when Andy died, they didn't give Darryl a new partner until Sheridan and they didn't really have much chemistry. Cole could've still been on the run from the demons and could've reinvented himself as a cop and work alongside Darryl. He could still be dealing with his demon side which would make him the bad cop to Darryl's good cop lol.
Damn, so Shan Shan was smashing Julian while he was married? Alyssa was smashing Brian while he was married? Meanwhile, Holly minding her business as the cameraman’s while ass babymomma. Ahhh!!!
I guess.. to be fair, though, I think the word diva is used more to describe someone who is difficult to work with in general, and not really bound to men, women, or just having a strong opinion, you know?
Ok hi. I got it right this time ; “ Shannen Doherty reveals Charmed was her favorite show 2013” , is the correct video that has the comments mentioning the Australian chat room interacting w fans about season 4. The actual comment is a response to……I’m sure Shannen really regretted leaving Charmed :)
@@weirdlybeloved hi. Please Scroll down the comments and look for @DwaynePeterSalandy9723 is the name of the user that left the “ Regretted Leaving “ comment . A reply to that is very long and mentions the Australian chat room :). I hope that helps and it’s fascinating …. Let me know if ya found it ;)))))…………… I also didn’t know Alyssa reportedly objected to being directed by Shannen ( She was told to go back To work )……………………………………………………Also I want to point out that it’s Interesting the charmed clips folks don’t seem to want to finish season 3. The played s1 completely , interwove between 2 then parts of 5 then finished out 2. Three quarters of 5 . And most of Season 3 which it took them forever to get to . Something rather annoying bec I wanted the fans to discuss these details regarding the end of Shannon’s time in Charmed:) - esp the tension on screen in the final episodes particularly ( You can see glimpses of Alyssa snapping at Shannon or giving her dirty looks in certain episodes throughout the season ) . Maybe most famously in their final scene together in AHBLwhere they barely looked at each other …In one E special( A biography Of Shannen from the early 2000’s) they showed Alyssa giving Shannen a dirty look during filming the “Power Outtage “ episode . So wierd Alyssa would that on camera . Prue doesn’t have a huge storyline in season3, but she’s definitely the most important character and you can’t take your eyes off her . The gossip sites from 2001 help a too. A lot of tea. Maybe do a Why did( and How) Shannen leave Charmed part 3. :) I know that’s a lot.
@@Kubacat984 Omigosh, I would LOVE to see the scene where Alyssa gives Shannen a dirty look! I looked up the E! Special, but I couldn't find any scenes that had Alyssa.. :(
@Totally but I wish they could’ve worked it out, Shannen was on Howard Stern sometime after she left Charmed and he asked her who was the bigger Star between her and Alyssa and she said they were both equal and Shannen said she didn’t think the show would’ve worked without her or without Alyssa, and despite any hard feelings Shannen did have towards Alyssa Shannen was being honest and knew the Show would only work with all of them, and Shannen was right, I liked Rose but it just wasn’t the same after Shannen left.
Spot on with your video! I totally agree. You are going to have points of insanity in any environment with a group of women. That's a given. I think all actresses came from empowering backgrounds. Shannen, for example was a little girl on Little House, and Michael Landown was a major professional and expected all his co-stars to be so as well. So it is easy to see Shannon's professionalism. It seems Brad Kern really was a hindrance to the show. When he took over, it seems the show took a nosedive in writing and tone. If the show was supposed to be about empowering women, then they really made some appalling decisions.
This whole situation is a mess, and I can genuinely see everyone involved's sides. Just wanted to say, re: 14:30, Doherty should never have agreed to be the star and headliner of a TV series (especially one about 3 sisters who form The Power of Three, and need all 3 of which to have a show) if she knew she (at that time) "got bored easily" and "liked playing different characters and not the same character for a long time". I'm not saying you should be forced to do something you don't like -- but if you know beforehand that you don't want to play the same character for long, stick to movies, theatre, and mini-series (at the longest). Don't sign up to headline a full-on tv show! I love Doherty as Prue, I'm just saying.
Right?? And now she's turning around and saying she DIDN'T want to leave, and that she loved coming to work every day! It's so frustrating the way she tells one story one day and another the next.
The story that had went around right after Shannon left most knew Alyssa said her or me. They thought Alyssa had more sex appeal and was getting the male viewer ship of 18 to 25 year old. They all lol so thought Rose would bring that too also the original writers left during that time too if I’m not mistaken, or the next year. I read at that time it was due to Kearn , but that’s been a long time ago.
Right? I saw something about that, too! And Constance M. Burge seemed to definitely have issues with Kern, too, so it makes me wonder how all these people left, partly because of Kern (allegedly) but the studio never decided to get rid of the common denominator? Hmm.. 🤔
Alyssa Milano was ok about Phoebe. It was her behavior after the show ended and in recent years like the past 5 years that has changed my mind about her. I do not really like her.
Yeah, I feel like ever since politics got involved it's getting a lot harder to like her and Rose. It's like.. can't we just.. talk about something else lol? But no, it always seems to come right back to that. 😔
I initially loved that show but began to lose respect, interest, and eventually hope for the show as it began to get more more tawdry. Even when Shannon was still on the show, storylines were less important than showcasing the girls in skimpy outfits and showing their cleavage. It began to look like a contest between Shannon and Alyssa in that department, with Alyssa taking the lead. I can only surmise that ticked Shannen off. The character of Phoebe was a joke as she almost never had her powers but yet she would take the lead in the episodes as a genie, a mermaid, or whatever Crazy Character would allow them to show her sex appeal to bring in the male audience. I watched until the end but with much less awe and wonder 🤭
Right?! I don't mind a showy outfit here and there or crazy costumes or anything, but when it becomes the focus of the show it's like.. really? 🙄 It's why I can't stand the Ms. Hellfire episode. It was such a cool idea - a human hitman trying to take out the girls and Prue goes undercover to try and figure out who's pulling the strings - and then it's like.. ALL about the leather and the "sexy" outfits and stuff and just... whyyyyyyy 🫠
You do realise Brad Kern was behind the Skimpy outfits because he’s a Pig and Alyssa seemed more than happy to show them more, I don’t Understand why people keep saying Alyssa was sexier or prettier or whatever because when it was Airing I never heard anyone talk about Alyssa being the prettiest or the sexiest or the bigger star or whatever, I think Alyssa wanted everything Shannen had, And honestly the only person I knew when Charmed first started was Shannen I didn’t know Alyssa or Holly.
@@weirdlybeloved I don't know of anyone similar but what stood out to me growing up was Charmed, Supernatural, and Farscape (my favorite obsession. If you haven't seen it I recommend it, it's a sci-fi though) Oh and there was once upon a time but we never finished it.
@@willanbelIdk what their problem was, honestly. Guess they just really love Alyssa and/or really hate Shannen, because they were combing the comments and being nasty towards anyone they disagreed with. I can't see what that commenter said to you since I blocked them from the channel, but I'm really sorry you had to deal with them! 😢
What happened was Aaron created this for Shannen because he felt bad because she did kinda get shafted and smeared. My Shan Shan is a bitch but she’s a reasonable bitch. When people test you and try you because you’re that talented of a thespian; Aaron loved all his people. That’s why he replaced Lori Rom with Alyssa. His girl he was making big. While he looked for a larger role for her he gave her a guest role on Melrose Place. One of the most groundbreaking shows for its time. Then he put her as a reoccurring on Fantasy island. Lori quit. She felt Shannen and Holly disclosed her. Much like Alyssa which is why she didn’t speak for the first week or two. They should have cast Rose McGowan as Phoebe because her and Shannen were already friends. They filmed a scene in Road to Nowhere together a year before charmed went into production. I think Rose would have been the better fit. Shannen was friends with Holly for a decade prior to charmed and Rose a year. She met Alyssa last and zero cast mates like her. Even Brian didn’t like her after their break up. That’s why she doesn’t come to the Comic Cons because no one from the project likes her. And her fans are dwindling every time they rewatch her treatment to Cole. Wouldn’t let his human soul move on when she was worst as a person than he was a demon. Or even the source. Counting her two lives.
@@patrickthompson3029 There's nothing wrong with sharing your opinion, but 21 comments in quick succession snapping at anyone you don't agree with is a bit much. Can you just respect everyone in the comments and try to be a bit nicer, please? Thank you. 🙏
@@patrickthompson3029 Lol, I ask you to be nicer and respect other people in the comments and your response is "no?" Lmao.. I don't know if you had a bad day and you decided you'd take it out on me and everyone else here, but enough is enough. You can say whatever you want to me, I don't really care, but I'm not going to let you be rude to the others that have commented. I've never blocked anyone or removed a comment, but if you can't leave people who didn't do anything to you alone then that's what I'll do. Please just stop.
I am a firm believer in the saying "you are the company you keep". Whatever they say about Shannen, her best friends are people like Holly and Sarah Michelle Gellar. Two very solid, respected actresses that are known for their dedication and hard work. If Shannen were really this monster, they wouldn't go to bat for her the way they do. Great video, btw.
That's an excellent point. And who publicly defends AM 🤔
Thank you! And me too ~ I always thought if someone is seen as a "nice" person, yet all their friends are not, then that "nice" person probably isn't as nice as they appear and it's best to watch your back around them.
Alyssa seems to be the problem in a lot of these situations. Even Rose doesn't like her.
@@weirdlybeloved true 😍🥹😭
All you have to do to know that Alyssa Milano is a terrible catty person is just read her tweets. No one can convince me she's not full of toxicity, in general, as a person.
Shannen Doherty may be overbearing like her character, but--also like Prue, I think she meant well. She always seemed to be about elevating the work. I liked her character a lot more than Phoebe, and her acting a lot more than Milano's, and always wished that Shannen'd been the one to stay. Show lost its edge without her, I feel.
I Wish Rose played Phoebe and Shannen never left.:) I Loved Prue.
look at what the show became... shannen left at the perfect time, season 5 onwards was way too low for her
@@linatralala2864 That would've been awesome if Rose originally played Phoebe, she already had acting experience by then and I'm sure she would've been great. But as much as I hate to admit it, I honestly did like Alyssa's acting in season 1. She may be a toxic person IRL but I can't lie and say that I didn't think her take on the character in the first season wasn't good because it totally was imo.
Honestly I think Shannen was trying to make the show better and bring it on par with Buffy and Angel in terms of quality but the execs wanted to keep it as formulaic and cheap as possible and that's why they sided with Alyssa at least that's my head canon anyway
I agree! Charmed and Buffy definitely had some competitive episodes.. my sister and I used to like pointing out the similarities, haha. It's definitely an interesting idea for a video topic, too!
And yeah.. it's really sad how many 'higher ups' will side with the person that's more agreeable, rather than the one who's actually looking out for the project. 😔
I agree too! Charmed had so many Buffy and Angel actors in roles, and yet the writing was just so juvenile for them. The formula was just god-awful. I always said that Buffy and Angel were for more mature, even adult viewers, while Charmed was more for much younger ones. It was just sub-par compared to the other shows.
Let's face facts, Alyssa was never there because she's got immense talent. When she was little, she was cute and precocious. As a teenager she grew into the girl a lot of teen boys fantasized about, and as an adult that continued. When your entire body of work is based on how attractive you are, you really don't have to bring anything of substance to the table - and, as they say, sex sells. Shannen has always been her own person, a fiercely independent, strong woman who is held and shoulders above Alyssa in terms of prowess. With all that said, she was absolutely not easily controlled,, whereas the same can't be said for Alyssa. Alyssa was easy to control, because as long as she had the spotlight she was happy. She used that to manipulate the males in charge of the show to do what she wanted, in this case that was to get rid of Shannen so all the focus would be on her.
One other thing. the reason Alyssa was not at the Paris Con with SD, HMC, and RM was scheduling nothing more.
Actually, most articles and opinions I've seen on the topic do the exact opposite, and "praise Alyssa and throw mud at Shannen," as you phrased it. Most media was already predisposed to blame her due to her reputation on 90210; that's why I was more critical of Alyssa than Shannen. I feel like she (Shannen) had already gotten her fair share of the blame and then some.
But since you've clearly combed the comments, I assume that you saw that I'm not a "Shannen fan" and don't just blindly defend her, like when I learned that Julian McMahon was apparently the second married man she's been with? Bad behavior is bad behavior, no matter who's doing it.
And as for the heart.. I'm sure that you noticed that I don't heart every comment? And even so, I don't always SEE every comment. I use yt studio to try and find the ones I missed. And now that I've seen Mr. Davis's comments, it's funny that I literally just got one from another person saying the ultimatum DID happen and Brad Kern has confirmed it. If that turns out to be true, then that means Mr. Davis isn't correct in saying it never happened, so..? I don't get your point.
And as for "trying to make a name for myself by capitalizing on the Charmed legacy.." wow. Way to judge someone without knowing them. And for someone who seems to think I'm judging Alyssa too harshly, you certainly didn't seem to have a problem doing the same to me. When I made my first Charmed video, I had NO idea it would get so much traction. I was just relieved that some people actually agreed.. I thought for sure everyone would be on Phoebe's side. But in the comments section people were discussing the behind the scenes drama a lot and there were things I didn't even know, so this video just seemed to be a natural follow up.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe I'm just another Charmed fan who happens to have a different opinion than you? 🙄
And also.. I personally believe that anyone who uses that "a true fan/real fan/og fan" stuff is just promoting toxic fandom. It is not up to some stranger and their random criteria to decide who gets to be a "true" fan of something and who doesn't. Please keep that in mind in the future.
Thank you. Good day.
Thank You That Part Exactly This Girl Is Completely Biased & Doesn’t Like Alyssa Milano Everything Isn’t Her Fault They Both were wrong 💯 it wasn’t Just Alyssa and Far as Rose Mc Gowan she hasn’t been the same person since she was in her accident 😮🤷🏾♂️🤙🏾🤟🏾💯
@@legionlife845 Nailed it 💯 This Chick is Obviously Biased and Dislikes Alyssa Milano 💯 The Truth Is That They Allow Played Their Parts in The Drama That Happened & They Owned Up To Their Parts This Chick Just Wanted To Bash Alyssa Milano 🤔🤨🙃😒🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🙌🏾🤙🏾💯
@@raymondluke6206 I'm sorry, but if you disliked my video so much, why do you keep coming back to it instead of just not watching it? 🙄
You've made several comments saying that I'm biased, but have yet to provide an example of how. In fact, it kind of feels like most of the people saying I'm biased are actually the biased ones, as they all seem to jump straight to saying that I must hate Alyssa and I'm "bashing" her.
What I actually said was that I don't trust that she was not the more problematic one on set, given that 2/3 of her Charmed co-stars ended up disliking her.
Believe it or not, questioning a person's behavior does not automatically mean you are "bashing" them. It means you look at everything when assessing a situation, not just what you're told.. which I think is a very smart thing to do.
I blame Alyssa Milano. Everyone sided with her when Shannon left the showing saying Shannon was the difficult one.
Yet rose McGowan has the same issues, if not even more so with Alyssa than Shannon did.
Alyssa just couldn’t handle that Shannon was the bigger name of the show than her.
That's what I thought, too! If it had just been Shannen who took issue with Alyssa, then it comes across that the two of them simply just didn't get along. But Rose, who came on the show after Shannen, had problems with Alyssa too?
Yeah.. I'm not saying everything was all Alyssa's fault because I'm sure it isn't, but I definitely don't think she's as innocent as some people say.
@@weirdlybeloved To be fair, Rose didn't seem to have a problem with Alyssa until after she married the CAA guy. Rose had been treated horribly by several people in that agency. I don't know how deep Alyssa's husband was in it or if he was specifically such a terrible person but I don't think Rose cared. Everyone in it seems to have been demonized. Cant say that I blame her for those feelings but unless she had something specific on Alyssa's husband I don't know why she would go off as hard as she did about it.
@@afry6400 Idk why TH-cam didn't notify me about your comment! Sorry for the late response!
But yeah.. who knows what really went down behind the scenes, but I definitely don't trust groups like CAA. I don't know a lot about them, but what little I've heard hasn't been exactly positive..
I think that the reason people, me included wanted to believe that Shannon Doughty was mostly responsible for her leaving charmed early is because of her leaving 90210 in much the same manner. I mean when someone gets a reputation for being difficult to work with or being a diva people tend to believe that. Honestly I did think that Shannon alone was to blame but I'm better informed now. Maybe Shannon and Alyssa were just too alike in personality because often when people are alike they cannot get along with one another.
I'm actually glad that shannon made the choice to leave the show because after season 4 the show took a big nosedive once constance m burge left
@@patrickthompson3029 I'm not the only fan of the series who had a problem with the series after season 4
@@angelaholmes8888 I would just ignore them. They're currently making their way through the comments section snapping at anyone they disagree with. Sorry you had to deal with that. 😔
But for real.. I've never seen anyone say the later seasons were as good as if not better than the first four. Even season 5, which I actually enjoy, was VERY different than the Charmed we knew and did not have the same heart as it did before.
@@patrickthompson3029 Well.. it's not like I didn't tell you that I wouldn't let you keep harassing people in the comments. I hope you learn in the future that not everyone needs to agree with you, and that you don't need to be mean to make your point.
I was mad she wasn't in the finale but I'm kinda glad she didn't, now that I know she was just protecting her peace. Definitely got a different view of Shannen now.
Great video❤
Thank you! ❤️
Alyssa says the set was like high school. Holly claps back with saying what is she talking about? She didn’t go to high school.
I thought Alyssa and Holly were really good friends
@@kelv5754 It could be! It feels like Holly just kind of got along with everyone ~
@@kelv5754 I wouldn’t say that because Alyssa described the set of charmed as high school, because Shannen and Holly sometimes gang up on her
And Holly say how would she know she didn’t even go to high school. When all three sisters hate her they’re not all wrong. She’s not invited to comic con or events where everyone else is for many reasons. And I dislike her for a few.
The other 3 actresses all dislike Alyssa now it doesn’t take a genius to realize she was the problem. I feel validated in my dislike for Phoebe’s character. I can appreciate her trying to take accountability but she only seems to do so for her own gain.
A friend of mine was in a movie with Alyssa and ...well... He has NOTHING but bad things to say about her. He played her love interest, had lots of screen time and said she was an absolute diva. He preferred working with so many others, including Shannen.
Ooh, I would love to hear what someone who actually worked with would have to say, haha. I mean, I'm obviously from the outside looking in, but if even people inside the industry think she's problematic, then.. yeah. I just don't think she sounds like a very nice person.
Not surprising, what we have seen from her on social media(mainly twitter) is *very telling.*
@@rsync9490 Huh.. what kind of stuff does she say? I have a Twitter account but I don't use it much haha
@@weirdlybeloved Well rose(McGowan) pointed out her hypocrisy regarding Tara reade and her allegations towards Biden for example. Kind of revealing to the world that she(Milano) was only interested in the metoo movement for the clout and not for the very real reasons the whole movement was needed in the first place. Holding powerful men to account for their actions against women. Edit: just watched your video and apparently you are aware.
Stop lying, no one has friends that can just go he in movies with big Hollywood actors
I'm an One Tree Hill fan and I gotta say that producers often have a big part on pinning actresses against each other, often to keep them to form an united front and demand to be treated fairly as an unity. Wouldn't be the first time it would happen in a CW show.
Also, in this industry, a woman who doesn't take BS is often deemed "difficult". There are some dalies that leaked of season 3 and we can see Shannen very annoyed by some things but always in the direction of making the show better, not putting any of her co-workers down. Holly says a lot in the podcast that she was always questioning things and seems to me that she and Shannen were the ones who pushed things for it to be better, and Alyssa wasn't really into that and was easier for the network and producers to deal. This and the romantic storyline seemed enough to assure her place in the series (Funny how Prue didn't have a romantic interest like her sisters, almost like not every woman needed a man to exist).
I believe they used Shannen reputation to mask the fact that she was fighting for a different show than what the channel wanted to turn Charmed into. At the end of the day, we all know that the show was better with her and Constance M. Burge. I love Charmed from beginning to end, but the original concept got lost in the later seasons and it seems clear why.
Yeah.. I felt that way, too.. they pushed Constance and Shannen out, and then threw them under the bus to make it look like they did it to themselves. The execs on that show seemed like they were real snakes.. other than Aaron Spelling, I haven't really heard anything positive about them, that's for sure.
And right?? I like that the Charmed ones eventually found relationships, but HATE the way that those relationships became their identities. They are a group of very beautiful, very, funny, and very talented actresses playing characters that are also beautiful, funny, and talented. But no.. that wasn't good enough. If Piper wasn't complaining about Leo or Phoebe wasn't obsessing about Cole, then apparently there was no plot at all in the minds of the execs. -_-
Sadly I'm not surprised that the studio never stopped Brad kerns on his cruel behavior like dan Schneider and Nickelodeon
Ugh, right? I'm glad that things like this are being addressed more these days, but it's frustrating that they ever happened in the first place.
I don't even get why they don't do anything about it.. you'd think studios would have realized by now that bad behavior always comes out in the end, and they'll either be known as the "nice" studio that tried to help, or the "bad" one who ignored problems and tried to sweep them under the rug. :/
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I was obsessed with Prue, I didn't just love her, I wanted to be her. I cried so much when she died but I guess it was for the better for Shannen.
I was obsessed to back then, her beauty and especially the fashion was phenomenal.
I felt the same way when I was younger even though I'm a guy lol. I loved her fashion and I related to her closed-off, slightly introverted personality in season 1. These days when I look back, I do feel more similar to season 1 Piper but I can't deny how much of an impact the character of Prue had on me when I was younger :)
I'm just glad the character got out with integrity and we didn't have to see her character devolve into someone unlikable.
never listened to one with an avatar before, but you seem sweet and well intentioned, and I definitely came away with lots of new info on my fav show, and presented in a balanced way as best as can in this business. I say we can look forward to more from you, WB:)
Oh wow, I'm so sorry I missed this comment! And thank you so much!! I think you're very sweet too! 🥰
On the cancer point, you cant hold that against her. As a cancer survivor, i had many people from my distant past reach out and, sadly, many that i was close with never even called.
Aww.. I'm glad you made it through! Congratulations!
Shannen is a class act, plain and simple. When she left 90210 and Charmed, I stopped watching.
When you really think about it, look at the intros in the first three seasons. It was always shannen doherty as prue 1st. 2nd holly marie combs as piper. And alyssa milano as phoebe in 3rd. After prue was killed off, Alyssa was moved up to shannen's spot. Rose mcgowan as paige was in 2nd place. And holly moved down where alyssa use to be in season 1-3 It's a intresting concept when you look at it from a different point of view. It's a question of who they really wanted to be the star of charmed. Idk but just saying.
OMG I never noticed that about the intros!! Nice catch!
The first 3 years made sense since Prue was the oldest, Piper was the middle child and Phoebe was the youngest.
Holly takes the #1 spot in season 4 but for 5-8 it's Alyssa.
I was so upset when she left charmed. Prue was my favorite ❤️
Yuss! I love Paige, but the original trio will always be my favorite! 🥰
I found your channel a couple of weeks ago, I'm not really that intressted in Harry Potter but i fell in love with your voice and watched all of your videos in a day. I watched Charmed with my mother as a child so these lates videos bring back some found memories. Thank you for that. Great work and keep going! I'm glad I found you early now I can watch you grow!
Aww, thank you so much!! That really means a lot to me! I actually read your comment to my mom and she was like, "oh that's so sweet of them!" 🥰
And if you ever have any suggestions, I'm always happy to try something new! I know that after this video I'm definitely curious about 90210.. I wonder if it's worth a watch? 🤔
@@weirdlybeloved Never saw it but I'm here fore the ride. Tbh I don't realy care what your gonna do a video next I'm gonna watch it and I am sure I will like it! Just do what you wanna do.
Do you think the producers thought about both scenarios story wise. I mean Plot A if we get rid of Shannen and Plot B if we get rid of Alyssa. I wish Shannen stayed because I think the show would have been better. However killing off Phoebe doesn't move the story and the characters don't go through as much growth because Prue was the anchor. Plus it's extremely dark killing off the baby sister versus the oldest.
It's possible, of course! I heard that they had been hoping both actresses would return for the next season, so maybe they wrote it this way because they didn't think they'd actually end up killing anyone off? Hmm.. I have so many questions! 😔
@@weirdlybeloved Yeah, I do too! It would have been great if neither actress left. I think the 4th season would be badass and much darker. Although it was already pretty dark anyway lol. Anyways, I will say they got so lucky with Rose McGowan and I think they nailed the transition (considering the circumstances).If they got any of that wrong the show would probably be canceled.
@@christophernehls5356 For sure! Rose was perfect for the role, and she did the emotional and comedic parts so well!
I'm with you ~ if anything had been different, the show probably wouldn't have been able to go on.
I, for the life of me, can't understand why women can't just take the time and sit down and talk. I think Holly even said they should have talked. We have known for years now that women are put against each other for entertainment.
Me either. I grew up in a similar environment and I could never understand why everyone around me seemed to prefer telling everyone BUT the person they were upset with that there was a problem. It's exhausting and it helps no one. 😮💨
I agree if you have a problem with a certain person then talk to that person & try to work things out.
@weirdlybeloved I do think some of us are conditioned to keep our heads down and never rock the boat, so when we have a problem with someone, we feel more comfortable venting about it to someone else, instead of doing the right thing and confronting them about it. Of course, even venting to someone else can be scary, too, 'cause we think that we're just "causing drama" by doing so, and some of us are also conditioned to be afraid of any backlash for speaking up about our problems.
I do agree that people should be able to talk about their problems with each other, but when someone clearly doesn't wanna do anything to resolve the issue, that's when you choose to not engage them any further, when it's going nowhere.
Also, I do agree that trying to get a mediator only made things worse, when Shannen and Alyssa should've tried to talk to each other, first.
@@ShadowSora8491Very true! I definitely know I've been guilty of preferring to keep my head down instead of confronting something I know should be addressed.. it's like a part of you knows that once the genie's out of the bottle anything can happen from there, and your instinct is to just try to avoid the dumpster fire you know is coming. 🔥🔥🔥
It’s just very telling for me that many people end up having the same beef with Alyssa Milano. Also I love charmed and I love phoebe but phoebe’s plot and essentially becoming the real main character are the problems with(well a lot of them) charmed after season 3 give it a rewatch with a fresh pair of eyes
Right? I grew up pretty much believing Shannen was the problem because that's what I always seemed to hear, but when I started doing my own research I realized that there was a lot more to it.. it makes me wonder why the media always blamed Shannen if Alyssa also had a similar rep behind the scenes? 🤔
And I'm with you on the Phoebe thing. The early years were way too Prue-focused imo, but instead of balancing that out when she left, they just kind of did the same thing with Phoebe. 😕
Except it’s not many and it’s not the same beef. It’s basically Shannen and Rose. Shannen had a history of being difficult which is essentially indisputable, and Rose is (and this is just my opinion) not credible, bitter about her Hollywood experience and turned it into an “activist” grift, and is a little nuts. None of this is to defend Alyssa and claim she had no fault. I think they all played a part, and the producers evidently capitalized on it to manipulate and control their set.
@@EastSide-qc5oyDefinitely agreed! Rose never seemed to have an issue with Alyssa until they disagreed about politics, and then suddenly Alyssa was this huge diva she absolutely hated and is glad to be away from.. even though there's pictures of them together outside of work? I wonder if Rose is just rewriting the narrative because she NOW does not like Alyssa?
I don't know, Shannen was fired from her other famous tv show for being difficult to work with as well so maybe that's not a coincidence. But then again, Rose McGowan also has talked negatively about Alyssa, so maybe she isn't as innocent and Shannen is not as guilty? I don't know. Nice video tho.
Thank you!
I like Rose and her work as well, but most of the problems Rose had with Alyssa didn't happen until after Alyssa married her husband who was in an agency that didn't treat Rose very well. In fact there were abuse charges involved though as far as I know he personally wasn't involved. Rose spoke about Alyssa being married into that agency and considers her a fake and a fraud for being married to a man who is part of it. Anything else she has to say about Alyssa I'd take as justification. Rose has had a lot of problems and a legitimate beef about what's happened to her but I do feel she lashes out unnecessarily because of them sometimes.
Shannen wasn’t fired from either show. She quit. Aaron Spelling ran both shows. If he had fired her from one show for being difficult, why would he hire her for another?
She’s a strong woman who knows her talent and worth. If she feels manipulated or the show or her character isn’t moving in alignment with her beliefs of what is right, she has no problem leaving. Spelling actually liked her so much he let direct episodes on both shows.
@@MichiaMakesIt's always been known that she was fired from 90210, and she just recently confirmed she WAS fired from Charmed too, so.. I'm sure she is a strong woman who knows her talent and her worth, but that doesn't necessarily mean her behavior isn't problematic as well.
Hufe OG Charmed fan and the whole controversy with Shannen Doherty and Alyssa Milano was something I would think about a lot back in the day when I first learned of it. I didn't watch a lot of seasons 1-3 of Charmed when it ran, I only caught a few episodes here and there because my father watched the show and I'd watch with him. I started watching it more regularly on my own around the later half of season 4 and being confused why Prue wasn't in it and a few years later, learned about the truth (at the time lol) on VH1 when they listed off some top 20 list of celebrity feuds and Shannen and Alyssa's feud was featured in it. I was shocked to say the least because you wouldn't have thought there was drama with the actresses because they had such great chemistry on set in the first 2 seasons and half of season 3, you could tell something was off towards the end of season 3 as Shannen and Alyssa felt off in their scenes together.
Prue was my favorite character and I never could get over her being gone, Shannen nailed the role as Prue and she played it so well. But seeing how the show really went downhill after season 4, I feel like she got out just in time because it would've been hard to see Prue's character go downhill like Piper (naggy) and Phoebe (self-absorbed & conceited). The show should've only went 5 seasons at the most in my opinion but what happened, happened lol.
Also I'm glad you brought up Brad Kern and his scuminess. It's a known fact for a lot of us fans that the show's tone and atmosphere is so different when you compare seasons 1-4 and seasons 5-8 to the point where they felt like different shows and a big part of that was because of Constance Burge's department. When I learned that Constance was the one who wanted to focus on witchcraft and sisterhood while Brad wanted to focus on love stories and sexy wardrobe and how this lead to the two clashing when it came to writing, it all made sense. I don't blame Constance for leaving but in another universe, I wish she stayed and they gave Brad the boot because I loved the tone and mood of the first 2 seasons (season 3 was fun too). Whenever I do re-watches of the show, whenever I get to seasons 5 and up, it's a painful (but hilarious in how bad it is) time 😅
I also saw another comment on how it felt like the WB/CW environment was toxic and lived for the drama and I think this is true for sure because tabloids in the late 90s and 00s thrived on that stuff. The Charmed drama definitely fell into this.
Totally agreed! The later seasons really did just have a completely different vibe.. to the point of being ridiculous, honestly. I don't remember which episode it was, but there was one where this woman was so jealous of Phoebe's "good looks" she took over her body to "be pretty," and I remember seeing the promos saying something like "the Charmed Ones face their ugliest demon yet," and it's like.. really? That's what the show has come down to? Looks? Just.. wow.
And yes!! I actually cut out a part of the audio I recorded while watching a video that had Brad Kern in it, because I just bust out laughing at his audacity. He actually had the gall to talk about how the sisterhood aspect is very important and the focus of the show, and it's like.. not with YOU at the helm, buddy! You helped run out the people who tried to keep that element in, remember? 🙄
@@weirdlybeloved It really was! It started out as this somewhat dark, mature series that focus on sisterhood and the occult with demonology and later on it became Sex and the City and Desperate Housewives but with fairytales & magical creatures with a forced in Harry Potter sub plot with "Magic School". I just hate what it became, it's not what brought me to Charmed, it was witchy occult and sister bond lol And oh yeah, I remember that episode! I think it was in season 6 where Phoebe was at her worst and most self-absorbed always boasting about her looks and how famous her column was. It was horrible, especially when Phoebe was such a fun and likeable character in season 1 and season 2.
But I mean you could even feel the shift when you saw the wardrobe the sisters (with the exception of Piper) were wearing. I noticed that in season 1 and half of season 2, they dressed in normal (but somewhat stylish for the time) clothes but then in the later seasons, their outfits started getting more risque and don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with dressing sexy if you want but I just mean that this change further exacerbated the direction the show was going in with Brad Kern's direction no less.
And I don't blame you, he really said that lol. Sisterhood was on the backburner in those later seasons and the main focus was on Piper and Leo's (toxic) relationship and Phoebe and Paige's romantic lifes of revolving door of men who didn't tend to stay long until "Coop" and Henry. Just wow, I can't believe how tone deaf he was if he seriously believes that lol.
@@KaiDecadence Completely agree! I actually love Desperate Housewives, but that is sooooo not what Charmed was supposed to be! And then the magic school stuff.. just.. no. It was a fun idea, but I think it was introduced way too late into the series and it was really only ever there as a plot convenience.
And you're so right about the wardrobe! Their outfits in the first few seasons were generally cool but not like.. too risque. Then later on it's like, hey underwear is technically clothing, right? 🙄
Though I have to admit, I absolutely loved Alyssa's outfit in the season 5 episode Sympathy for the Demon. She looked so beautiful in that blue shirt, especially with the smoky eye makeup. Honestly, I'd love to just raid the Charmed wardrobe haha.
@weirdlybeloved That was "Freaky Phoebe" season 7 episode 19. The huge emphasis on looks, particularly Phoebe's, is a big drawback for the show. It's also one reason why Piper was my favorite over the series. She never relied on skimpy clothes to draw attention to herself.
The audio is so much better! The video about Phoebe being responsible for the death of Prue I literally had to play it on full volume on my car speakers and it was still pretty quiet 🫣🫶
Thank you! I'm so glad amplifying the audio seems to have helped! 😊
@@weirdlybeloved😊you’re welcome! I actually just found your channel today and I love your charmed content! So excited for more!!
@@mybuffysummers Thank you! And yuss, Charmed is amazing! I'm already working on the next video but it's taking forever because I keep stopping to actually watch the show instead of just grabbing the clips I need. The feeeels 🫠
Well... I guess it was a wake up call for her. My three aunts and my mum got into feuds, too and I always tried to get them back together. So when one of them was diagnosed with cancer, I told one of my aunts and she was like "Forget about the past... Thats my sister for crying out loud! Where is she? I'll go straight to the hospital she's at the moment." My late aunt was a little bit angry at me for spilling it, but she also was relieved that she still means a lot to her two younger sisters (including my mom) and that they moved on and stayed at her side until the end. It got brought the family back together.... maybe that's what happened to Alyssa, too with Shannen. And yes, sometimes such an event like a deadly illness is a wakeup call.
And I have to admit: Even Holly and Shannen don't tell that much about each other anymore, even though they meet on a regular basis according to Holly. I don't think Alyssa and Shannen are hiding something, I think it's just between the two of them and seeing their comments lately, I think they finally managed to move on and it is of no concern for the public.... maybe to prevent further drama going on in the papers and magazines... I think this video is a typical example of "I'm not blaming her, but..."... so you blame her in the end 😅 There are no "buts", it always takes at least two entities for a catastrophe to happen, so I don't think Rose is that innocent, either.
The only one who never clashed with anyone, is Holly. She talked back when she felt it was necessary, but she never had a fall out with all three of them, at least not something we would recognize in public.
I never said that Rose was innocent though? I actually said that it felt like everyone put their hand in the cookie jar at some point, meaning that I think everyone involved in the drama contributed to it.
My point was that most of the articles I saw seemed to point the finger at Shannen, when it takes two to tango as they say. And Rose wasn't even actually on the show when Shannen was, so she not only had nothing to do with why Shannen left, but managed to have her own issues with Alyssa regardless.. I do think it's a bit sus that 2/3 of the actresses Alyssa worked with ended up disliking her, but some still think the only problem was with them, not her.
That is a nice story about your mom and aunts, though. I'm glad that they managed to come through for each other and put aside their differences.
Holly and Shannon were beefing recently too I believe. But it seems they're on good terms now.
The wizard's actor from S4 once said at a convention that they were all bishes to work with. It's jarring hearing that said by a guest start who just worked with them for a week. So while his word was sexist, I think there must be some truth to the toxicity they all brought to set.
@@TCt83067695 True! Especially as someone else pointed out, his appearance on the show was long after Shannen had left, so the fact that he still says the set was "toxic" kind of supports the idea that it wasn't Shannen that was the problem.
@@weirdlybeloved touché
As far as I can tell Alyssa is the source of problems. Everything that's being said about her and even the politics she constantly pushes suggests she decides her opinion based on what is safe an popular instead of what she actually believes. That just can't work well with Shannen who is apparently very passionate about the art or Rose who is passionate about everything and natural rebel. I just feel bad for Holly because she seems to be in the middle of this conflict and apparently staying on friendly terms with all the parties.
It definitely does feel sometimes like Alyssa is a people pleaser, and would rather be liked than be honest. :(
It really saddens me see Rose like that. She was so put together during the show but reading her bio and seing her personal choices it seemed inevitable. I remember reading as an innocent child about her upbringing in a cult and her weird choices (meaning substance abuse but not stated out right). I knew something was wrong reading all these stuff but I loved Charmed so much. Also, back in the day we didn't discriminate people bases on their political affiliations but we judged based on their behavior and personality alone. Now everything is about your politcs and noone cares about personality (I talk from my very own bad experience)
Right? Everywhere you look these days politics are being forced down your throat, and it's just like.. can we not? I never really liked politics to begin with, but when you can't even watch a single movie without having to deal with SOME sort of "message" designed to cater to today's politics, it's just way too much.
Personally, I'd much rather get to know people based on interests and how they treat other people than what party they support/president they like/etc., but that's just me.. I'm so sorry to hear you've had a bad experience with this sort of thing! People can be so mean. 😢
A huge thing, for Shannen, Alyssa, and perhaps Holly and possibly (?) Rose, seems to have been the transition from child/teen star to adult working actress. That both Shannen and Alyssa had that background perhaps amplified the effects of personality differences and the other factors involved, such as the apparently grueling shooting schedule. I dunno, the whole saga in this case just makes me think at a meta level that there needs to be a course or a book or some guidance for young people in Hollywood if they want to stay in the business as twenty-somethings and beyond.
Folks mentioning jealousy due to different factors like pay differentials and character focus in the story -- surely the showrunners and the network should make the logical leap in advance that "Hey, the entire show concept is that it's an ensemble based on a close sisterly bond, so let's have the things we can control like pay and character focus be as equitable as possible"? Like, these are things the Powers That Be can and should control to ensure the success of their own project. Which also sets the actresses up for a relationship as equal members of an ensemble cast.
As for the tweets about the Democratic Party between Alyssa and Rose -- that's literally just the debate/discourse between any two people on the US center left about the Democratic Party. I've had that conversation with folks of the more anti-party viewpoint and we were just regular schmucks,, you know? That's not a thing unique to these actresses.
Yeah, I imagine the girls probably would have gotten along a lot better if the showrunners didn't play favorites and do backdoor deals and the like. Of course that's going to create conflict between their stars!
And yeah, the politics thing is just.. odd. I'm not involved in politics at all and it's so bizarre to me to see so many people automatically turn things political and/or judge others based on their political affiliation. it's like.. can't we all just have our opinions and leave it at that? Does everything really need to escalate to the point where it becomes about politics? Seems exhausting to me.
Alyssa Milano should have left the show and then Cole Turner could have had a happy ending. I liked Phoebe, but she just became toxic towards the end of the show.
I read in a article during the time that the producers believed that Holly would leave the show once Shannen left. So they paid her and Alyssa off to stay. They had a Pre Ghost Whisperer Jennifer Love Hewitt and a Tru Calling’s Elisha Dushku audition but Rose got it because of her personality, prenup look, and performance in Scream. I believe Shannen found out about the ultimatum and tried to quit. They threaten to sue because they knew Shannen and Holly together was the original deal. Shannen leaving meant Holly leaving. This is according to Aaron Spelling. And my baby Shan said she she didn’t get a call for the last episode. She wasn’t even aware. Brad Kern said he didn’t want to even show a photo because he’d have to pay her.
Ooh.. I love Rose but I'm super curious how JLH would have played Paige!
beverly hills crew : "she was late, calleous and indifferent"
me : sounds like a teenager to me, it's not odd for someone in their early 20s to portray adolescent-like behaviiours, specially if they're unwell
Shannen : *was a unhappy teen*
me: well, she did great for an unhappy teen, most people i know if put in her place woud punch people in the face, make riots and bully everyone else
You might have missed she did get into tiffs with a few of the other actors on 90210. She and Jenny who played Kelly on the show nearly did come to blows at least once.
I guess the girls has a small fight then the people behind the cams/crew toss a gas tank to make the fire even bigger for pub.
The annoying thing here is that I blocked Alyssa Milano's twitter on purpose but STILL see her posts every once in a while because people re-tweet her. Gah.
I'm sorry! You'd think the block system would include re-tweets as well!
@@patrickthompson3029 The same could be said about you, my dear.
Shannen and Alyssa have both discussed it over the years, with Alyssa more recently owning her part in what happened. She did go to the network and give the ultimatum, something Brad Kern has confirmed more than once but Shannen going had a lot more to do with him and Shannen not getting on more so than the issues with her and Alyssa.
Thank you for making this video can’t find much in this topic and you covered it all amazingly!
Thank you so much! ❤️
Seems like the set was toxic after Shannen left. Armin Shimerman’s words on his guest appearance comes to mind 😂
What?! I didn't know Armin said anything or else I would have included it! I gotta go look this up!
Whoa.. he definitely didn't mince words, huh? Lol.. I so wish I had known about this before making the video!
The wizard guy from S4
@weirdlybeloved He surely didn’t 😂
@@weirdlybeloved it's in a video?? Where?
Regarding Tori Spelling, I feel like she’s been pretty vocal of her dislike of Shannen, and as a Nepo baby, I feel like her power and influence would have made people give more credit to her side of things than Shannen’s.
That's a very good point!
Didn’t Jennie Garth also admit to not getting along with Shannen? I think she got into a physical fight with her on set.
I have just decided to take the position of “I’ll never know the full truth and there are things about all three of them that I like and dislike so I’ll let the drama stay between them.”
Personally, I think the actual truth probably lies somewhere in the middle… And you are probably right about Brad Kern. I fully believe he would purposely tell lies to the women for his own personal reasons.
Agreed!
So Brad Kern stole the Book of Shadows. This is disturbing.
Piper: "Evil got the Book of Shadows! How did evil get the Book of Shadows?"
Phoebe: "Oh, no!"
Omigosh, I love that!! I'm working on a video about Brad ~ would you mind if I put that in there?
@@weirdlybeloved Not at all, go ahead!
@@michaelpustilnik6914 Thank you so much!
I’m watching part way of this and I live for the drama tbh lol. I need this to be widely known that Aaron offered her the job, she owns a small percentage of the show - she helped the crew and cast get their job (she was VERY involved in casting). She brought in people from BH90210 to guest star as demons or whatever.
Shannen is a badass who literally slays at acting.
Alyssa was there and ventured on. Props to staying to the end but that’s about it.
Shannen left, she wasn’t fired. The information about her filming in 2001 and then the execs saying she’s fired really doesn’t sit well with me.
However, Shannen will make a podcast and reveal all soon haha!
Also love the fact you mentioned the promo thing with Alyssa. Brad is also horrendous. He’s hidden away.
I also love Rose and I didn’t know Julian McMahon (pronounced McMan) was actually married at the time but Shannen has openly stated they were dating and it doesn’t really bode well with me that someone like Shannen would be the “other woman”. She may have made Julian just end it when they found each other.
@@seana_momsen actually shannon in the past was the other woman she slept with her former co star melissa Gilbert first husband while he was still married to melissa I read about it in melissa first memoir
Do you have a source of anything that you said?
Wait, Shannen actually owns a small part of the show and she still got pushed out?! That is SOOO unfair.. and man, I would so love to see her do a podcast! I doubt she has the patience for drama, but I bet she would still find a way to make it crystal clear how she feels about things. 🫠
Once you add Kern to the mix the Mediator makes sense. Cause that's what a network would do when confronted with harassment allegations than in dealing with two conflicting actresses. Not saying that they didn't argue or tension between them. Just that it is more commonly seen a mediator is part of a legal conflict instead of a personality conflict.
For leading actresses "Charmed" always was rather a competition than a sisterhood. Competition for screen time, interesting roles and, of course, money. And when there is money involved and actresses' image in danger everything is possible. Everyone of them was and is different and very opinionated, but the problems started towards the end of season 2 when Prue took the spotlight quite a lot. Alyssa Milano became very problematic and envious of Shannen. She wanted to take her place because Shannen was the heart of the show and Shannen wanted more creative freedom and wanted to make more input to the show, but she was not allowed neither improvise nor direct episodes (except the one where her character dies). That caused lots of drama on the set and one of them had to leave. At the same time Connie Burge, the only one who supported Shannen left and as Alyssa slept her way to the top and was Brad's Kern favorite (for a reason), he and Aaron decided that she stays (despite the fact her leaving and replacing with Paige would be more organic) and fired Shannen. Holly was pissed off and hated that because she and Shannen were close long time friends so they stopped being friends with Alyssa after that and before Alyssa's mother even was at Holly's wedding. In season 5 Alyssa finally got what she wanted, changed her hair color to black and became boss lady character, concentrating more on career than romance, basically new Prue. And Rose became the new Phoebe, cute towheaded and rebellious youngest sister. Only Piper's character stayed the same to the very end of the show and her and Leo's happy ever after. Alyssa is also absent on all of the Comic Cons where the rest of the cast is present and on most of the interviews you can see how she is sitting separately from everyone else so the facts speak for themselves. She's not even getting invited because no one likes her, especially Rose McGowan.
Hi, thank you for sharing your perspective! And yeah, I don't think Shannen had as much creative control as she would have liked, but she actually directed three episodes (Be Careful What You Witch For, The Good, The Bad, and the Cursed, and All Hell Breaks Loose) not just the season 3 finale. ❤️
I don’t really agree with phoebe having more focus on career because out of all characters she’s the one with the most love interest , yes maybe at the beginning they did focus on career but it’s very short period of time like when she was taking a gap year instead of focusing on herself she date the guy who replace her at the journal , and the sisters didn’t really have a lot of focus on their career in my opinion and they relationship is not really the focus like it should have been . Personally I think phoebe regress a lot after season 3 so at the end was it really worth it ?
“The facts speak for themselves” in a long comment where you’re quite obviously mixing facts with personal subjective opinions, speculation, and a dollop of fan fiction. Nice job.
I do wonder about the split with conferences as well. Alyssa always attends separately while most of them go together (Brian, Holly, Rose, Drew, Shannen). Is that due to scheduling conflict or personal..
@@Rosalyne-20Oh yeah, they definitely regressed Phoebe's character a LOT in later seasons, but especially in season 6. I still can't believe in the premiere she ditches her sisters while they're in crisis.. all because a guy (that she didn't even LIKE) stood her up and she had to go confront him RIGHT then! It's like.. wth?! That's not something even season 1 Phoebe would have done!
Nice video .. I really hope a mini series or some type of revival of charmed comes some time soon with all 4 sisters
Thank you! And yes, me too! That sounds sooo much better than the "reboot."
Actually 2 years ago Holly ran the idea to do a Charmed movie by Rose and she doesn't really seem to want to do it unless she's allowed to direct it
@@joseystrife8780 I think I saw that! A Charmed movie definitely sounds like an intriguing idea, but I hope it would be faithful to the original vision of the show if it ever happened.
I’ll be honest I think a lot of the male producers were a big issue and media… sad to see strong women rip each other on set. I know a lot of the girls partook in helping produce (not rose though I noticed a lot) but still kern knew what he was doing… I loved all the girls and and would rather see them together and joyful
Also another thing I like to say it is lame that they didn’t want to pay Shannon for the pictures so we can at least know she really was there and it would’ve been awesome to see prue meeting Paige as spirit but I know that is a fan thing and these male producers just sucked
I think so too ~ it really feels like the females on the show cared about making a great show, whereas the males only seemed to care about the bottom line... and feeding the drama. I really believe that they (particularly Brad Kern) were at the center of a lot of the problems, and if there's ever a Charmed union with all four of our ladies, I hope he's NOT part of it.
Alyssa was willing to get down for the crown and Shannen was not plain n simple when Alyssa played that character in the movie Fear i could tell how she roll 😅
Ooh, I never saw Fear. What's it about?
The religion thing, I don't get. They're pretty much established as Catholic in the first few episodes. Piper volunteers for the Parish and seeks council in her Priest. The show started out with them having super natural powers that they just decided to call "witch." When the show runner changed, things got inconsistent. Willow from Buffy, one of the most famous onscreen witches of all time, was Jewish. She had to go to Xander's house to watch A Charlie Brown Christmas and see him do the Snoopy dance for crying out loud.
I’m not christian but it’s pretty simple. Fundamentalist christians and strict catholics tend to not appreciate secular depictions of witchcraft or “wicca” (I think in the early episodes they were using the word “wicca” but my memory might not be right on that). Sometimes they are vehemently against such depictions. To them it is promoting false religion and it’s pretty much the same as devil worship. Spell casting, supernatural powers, communicating with spirits, all big no no’s. Someone who is a less literal christian, a less fundamentalist christian, might not have the same objections. The sisters might have been established as Catholic but nothing in the show as it progressed revealed them to be practicing Catholics.
I've always liked everything Shannen did in everything I've ever seen her in but everything I've read about her work and personality is that she can be incredibly controlling. As the star that can be worked around. However as a co-star it can cause a lot of friction between her and anyone else who is also very controlling. I'm not saying any one of them was more at fault or less at fault. I'm sure they each had their roles in whatever dramas did occur. As for Brad... I do think he likely added more to the problem than people realize.
True! I kind of have that in common with Shannen, and I've really tried to work on it because it's really not fair on the others around you.. so I definitely get where you're coming from!
But yeah, Brad had always struck me as a jerk. I bet things on Charmed would have been WAY better if they'd gotten rid of him instead of Constance.
@@patrickthompson3029 First.. really? "diva Doherty?" I get that you don't like her, but I think calling her that in every comment is a bit much.
Second.. might want to double check your facts before you start correcting people because OP is right and you're the one who is wrong. Shannen's first name is spelled with an e instead of an o. Googling her name and/or visiting her wiki page to confirm this takes two seconds. 🙄
I always wondered what would’ve happened if Constance had stayed on and kicked Brad Kern to the curb.
It probably would have been incredible!
My opinion of Shannen vs Alyssa changes as the years go by. In 2020-2021 I thought Alyssa was the victim. Right now in 2023. I think Shannen fell on the sword and took most of the heat. Of course they are good now, Shannen survived Cancer like life s too short for grudges. But I think Alyssa was the problem. Sorry. I like Alyssa but yeah you have 3 people who side eye you and one HMC is loved by everyone so why would she lie?
Right? Back in the day, I 100% believed the problems were due to Shannen. But over the years I started to believe the same thing ~ that Alyssa was a big part of the problem, but Shannen was the one fell on the sword.
The weird thing is, though, Alyssa says they're good now, but I can't seem to find if Shannen has echoed this anywhere.. I know she's very private, but I'm not sure how much I believe Alyssa, you know?
As someone who studied film semiotics (I'm an expert in the field) it pretty obvious who the problem is when you look at the conventions: everyone has shown up for a convention except 1 person. Common sense tells you the rest.
Right? Alyssa barely ever attends Charmed conventions, and it's really hard to believe that they're all due to "scheduling conflicts," as one person claimed.
It's much more likely that Alyssa just doesn't want to be there, but you'd think that if she's really as "cordial" with her former co-stars as she claims then there really shouldn't be an issue, but.. hmm. 🤔
@Weirdly Beloved…. You claim you’re not biased, yet you make a comment like this, and you ‘heart’ ♥️ every comment that bashes Alyssa. Just admit that you hate Alyssa and be done with it. There’s no need to pretend, you’re not fooling anyone.
@Scribbblebytes…. Common sense would dictate that “The friend of my enemy is also an enemy “. Shannen was friends with Holly and Rose prior to working on ‘Charmed’ with Alyssa, so of course those 3 would get along. As per high school bullying tactics, Shannen’s friends would gang-up on the person Shannen hates, and in this case it’s Alyssa. You claim you’re an expert, yet you can’t comprehend such a basic dynamic between friends. Why would Alyssa attend an event with two people who publicly announced their hatred of her? She was wise not to attend such a toxic reunion.
@@j.r7721 I don't hate Alyssa, and I think you need to take another look at the comments before you decide to make claims like that.
I've liked comments that compliment Alyssa, and said in multiple responses that I don't have a problem with her and that I think she's a very talented actress with great comedic timing.
And I also said that I think the show runners were needlessly cruel to her for designing an episode (the season 5 premiere) specifically tailored to force her to face her phobia, because after 4 full years on the show I refuse to believe they DIDN'T know she was terrified of deep water. I said they were lucky she didn't walk off the show right there and then.
So yeah. I'm not sure I'm the one who is biased, but thank you for assuming I hate Alyssa.
shannen left show Alyssa show became Alyssa show
Agreed.. especially after they became producers on the show. I really wish that once they'd obtained more creative control on the show, they would have brought back the sisterhood theme. 😔
@@weirdlybeloved yes exactly I really hate the later seasons of charmed because of the lost sisterhood theme
Well done hope you make more Charmed content in the future
Thank you so much! I already have a few ideas for future videos, and it's so fun to be able to connect with others who love Charmed! 🥰
@weirdlybeloved Yeah! Super looking forward too more content glad I found your chanel
Just wanted to say thank you so much for sourcing everything. A lot of sites are very hateful to shannen or Alyssa and take everything out of context I love how you source everything to dig deeper into the truth and don’t just do surface level research. My understanding is that studios like WB is a very dog eats dog world it’s easy to lose yourself in places like that and to feel like someone is superior to you so as a result Alyssa felt like she had to be better than shannen and shannen has this prideful authoritative personality which can be mistaken for bossy so it was just easy for them to be put against each other.
Thank you so much! I'm used to being on an art site where you're expected to credit your references, but I think it's a really important thing to do! Especially when using artwork or something someone created themselves ~
And right? That's why I wanted to make the video - every article I read about it seemed to be working some angle, continuing to pit the girls against each other, and I was like.. isn't there ANYTHING out there that is at least somewhat neutral? So I tried to dig deep and just present everything I found in what I hope was a fair way!
And I think you said it perfectly! WB/CBS definitely sound like they allowed a toxic atmosphere to flourish (seriously.. how did it take THREE investigations to get Brad Kern off of NCIS:NO??) and it affected everyone involved.. I really wonder how all of them would have gotten along if the companies had provided a better work environment?
Alyssa has continued to be problematic and it’s well documented. Where as Shannen just has rumors and Holly backing her the entire time!
That's what I always wondered! If Shannen was so problematic on Charmed, then you'd think there would be some sort of example as to how, like there was with 90210.
But other than not getting along with Alyssa, I've never heard a single reason as to how she was "difficult to work with" on Charmed, which makes me highly doubt she was the one that was the problem. Especially since Rose had her own issues with Alyssa, too.
Hasn't there been reconsiliation between Alyssa and Shannen following Shannen's fighting cancer?
@@Finngrinder That's what Alyssa claimed, but considering the fact that Shannen herself has said nothing of the sort and they still haven't attended any cons/public appearances together (even though they've both attended them separately) makes me seriously doubt how true that is. 🧐
Julian McMahon is so hot lol didn’t know him and Shannon dated. I knew about Brian and Allysa. I was sad when Shannon left Charmed.
Yeah, but he was also cheating on his wife with Shannen, so.. that's unfortunate. :(
That’s bull shit. He didn’t haven have paying her on his mind. Shan said she never got a call about the finale and he said he would have had to pay her even for a photo. Watch the interview with Kern and the response from Shan. It comes out of their mouths.
It was becoming a thing to pay actresses for their images or character names at the time when they left a show. I don't know if it was in her contract when she signed on or if her being let go broke that deal but one of the things even Holly said is that Shannen was big about knowing her worth and fighting tooth and nail to make sure it was covered by the time Charmed came around. They might not have had to call her, just check the contracts before they bothered.
But she said on stage that they DID ask her to come back for the finale, but she didn't like the way it was written? Shannen changes her story a lot, it seems.
Brad Kern said that he fired her. Shannen said she quit. I heard she heard word that she was getting fired and beat them to the punch. It’s like the how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? The world may never know.
OMG I remember those!! ....I kind of want a Tootsie pop now. 🤤
I was at that convention and their was major shade being thrown towards Alyssa.
Man, I really gotta watch this convention! I wonder if it's on TH-cam? 🤔
@@weirdlybeloved look up charmed 90s con panel and it should be the first video. It’s pretty bootleg quality though 🥲
I really liked this video and I think like holly said people only focus on the drama and in my opinion people don’t blame enough the production and the network they want to choose between shannen and alyssa when they’re not the only one at fault . And seeing what the show becomes shannen was right about the direction the show was taking even holly wanted to leave because she felt like every episodes were the same
Me too! As much conflict as the girls had, it's so clear that the showrunners were the worst and likely compounded the issues 1000%. I mean, even in a blooper shot from season 5, Holly is up on a ladder and she's clearly not happy about it, and says that Brad Kern should be up there next and gives the camera a 'yeah, I said it' look!
I feel like that says a lot about how they probably felt about him, and he sounds like he was an absolute nightmare. I have no idea why they never fired HIM.
Okay. So the rumor I heard was that Shannon gave the ultimatum not Alyssa. Something about a pay difference and someone was getting more than the other and Shannon said choose one and WB said Alyssa.
As far as Alyssa vs Rose. All I know is Alyssa is married to the NAA or NRA or something N with an A and they’re apparently anti woman? I saw an interview on this long ago. Anyway, Rose of course always fighting for woman which yay clap clap I do too. Here is what I don’t do, I don’t call out a man named Weinstein at a public venue. I don’t do this with a best friend named Asia Argento, who groomed her co star when he was 8 and became physically intimate with this person when they were just a few years older. Photo evidence confirmed. That’s what I don’t do. Also, Holly as piper was also my favorite. Powers, relationships, kids, and snappy come backs.
@@patrickthompson3029 Avtually yes I do. When someone publicly accuses someone else of doing something on tv no less, only for the world to find out you did the exact same thing yes. Rose wanted Weinstein’s head on a platter only to be confronted with the Argentine question and said to let the courts deal with it. What’s the medication for that? A shot of reality.
@@juliettek.9440I can't see what that commenter said since I blocked them from the channel, but I'm really sorry you had to deal with them! Idk what set them off but they were combing the comments and being nasty towards anyone they didn't agree with, so.. again, really sorry if they were rude to you at all! 😢
@@weirdlybeloved oh no no, you shouldn’t feel responsible. Thank you for doing that, but you shouldn’t felt bad for what others do. Some people just have no time on their hands other than to be gross. Again thank you.
Do you think the show would not kill/remove one sister if Paige was the baby sister from the very start? And not Phoebe?
I'm not sure! Would have definitely been an interesting plotline, though!
I think if it had been Prue, Piper and Paige all 3 would have stuck it out for the whole show.
by this comment, i hope you realized I am binging your charmed content 💙
Thank you! I'm just glad you think they're worth watching! ☺️
The audio is perfect now, it's true that it was rather quiet but that is actually not that much of problem since you can just put your audio up. But it sure is a nice quality of life improvement haha
Also again, you deserve it!
"Let's find out" I know I say this a lot but just the way you present yourself...it's so freaking cute I can't help it but smile and laugh with you!! XD
Well I can't say much about the video but I definitly won't lose my "comment and full watchtime on every video" streak hehe😝
Thank you! I'm so glad the audio is better! ☺️
Lol, you have no idea! I have so much stuff I cut out of videos because I end up tripping over my words or just laughing like a maniac! I'm starting to save them and will probably do a blooper reel or something in the future, haha. 😂
And thank you so much! I love reading your comments! 🥰
@@weirdlybeloved Yeah but again it was just the audio tuning so no worries about any other thing regarding that.
You want to kill me right?! You are aware that i would not be able to survive like 10-30 mins of rose going ham without holding back?! My heart wouldn't be able to withstand this level of cuteness!😯
Hehe everytime again since It's not only keeping my streak up but also a way of supporting you for the algorythm~😇
12:54 finally. Ppl who say S6 was their favorite live on a totally different planet to us lol
Also, thanks for fixing the audio thing. No need to apologize 👍🏾 😊
Thank you!! I'm glad the audio issue seems to be better! ☺️
And yuss.. season 6 was an absolute mess! 😂
Amazing job! Love how you found and showed written article 's. And I really enjoyed the piece!
Thank you so much! 🩷
I watched the show premier right after my birthday. If you love Piper WATCH DR. GIGGLES. She was a bad ass.
I will!
I had no idea all this was going on behind the scenes!! Messy 😂☕️
For real! The teaaaaaaa ☕☕☕
I am choosing to imagine that Marie, the original choice for the role of Phoebe, didnt turn the role down due to her being christian, but her being an Evil witch, who felt the morality of the series didnt reflect positively enough on Evil and also lacked accuracy, this is my chosen head canon.
Her name was Lori, not Marie. And Shannen and Holly both said in the recent podcast that it was 100% due to her faith; apparently her church didn't like that she was playing a witch and told her she would go to hell, so she quit the show.
The actress that was supposed to play Phoebe was Lori Rom!
Shannen also had a huge problem with a relationship between Brian (Leo) and Alyssa
But Shannon had an affair with Julian AkA Cole So what’s your point 🤔😮🤷🏾♂️💯
@@raymondluke6206 Very true. It would have been majorly hypocritical of Shannen to say anything about it.
i actually think shannen seems like the most mature one out of all of them now, and i don't really know any of them so no hate, but i had to laugh at her comments about how she acted that way bc she was "young" - at a time where she was probably close to 30. people who aren't actors seem to mature way earlier than that.
My favorite was Phoebe and Piper. But I liked Prue too. I missed her so much when she left. Even though I liked Paige it took some time for me to enjoy the show again without Prue. I have also read so many articles over the years about why Shannon left and I have always been confused on what is really true.
I wonder what would have happened if Alyssa had left and it was Phoebe who died? I mean as far as the story. Maybe it could have helped with the Cole storyline.
That definitely would have been interesting to see! Julian actually made a great Cole imo, he just had to deal with pretty much acting out the same plot over and over.. having to live with the guilt of Phoebe dying probably would have given him some great material to work with!
@@weirdlybeloved Exactly. Maybe out of guilt he decides to continue to help her sisters. Maybe they could have with him trying to be a cop.
@@jackiesliterarycorner Cole as an officer would have been amazing! 😍
@@weirdlybeloved they could write with the conflict of him trying not to take the law into his own hands and doing it by the book.
@@jackiesliterarycorner That would've been awesome! Cole could've been Darryl's new partner xD Darryl and Andy were pretty neat together but when Andy died, they didn't give Darryl a new partner until Sheridan and they didn't really have much chemistry. Cole could've still been on the run from the demons and could've reinvented himself as a cop and work alongside Darryl. He could still be dealing with his demon side which would make him the bad cop to Darryl's good cop lol.
They would have to pay her to use her face and charmed didn’t really have “a lot” of money it is budget 😅
Damn, so Shan Shan was smashing Julian while he was married? Alyssa was smashing Brian while he was married? Meanwhile, Holly minding her business as the cameraman’s while ass babymomma. Ahhh!!!
@@patrickthompson3029 I’ll agree to disagree
To be honest, calling an actress 'diva' is a very cheap and easy way of putting down any woman with an opinion. Ask Ashley Judd.
I guess.. to be fair, though, I think the word diva is used more to describe someone who is difficult to work with in general, and not really bound to men, women, or just having a strong opinion, you know?
In theory, yes. In practice? It's very gendered, and he term has very different criteria for men and women
Ok hi. I got it right this time ; “ Shannen Doherty reveals Charmed was her favorite show 2013” , is the correct video that has the comments mentioning the Australian chat room interacting w fans about season 4. The actual comment is a response to……I’m sure Shannen really regretted leaving Charmed :)
Hi! I looked up the video and I think I found the right one, but I didn't see any comments mentioning the chat room? Maybe I'm just blind, haha.. 😅
@@weirdlybeloved hi. Please Scroll down the comments and look for @DwaynePeterSalandy9723 is the name of the user that left the “ Regretted Leaving “ comment . A reply to that is very long and mentions the Australian chat room :). I hope that helps and it’s fascinating …. Let me know if ya found it ;)))))…………… I also didn’t know Alyssa reportedly objected to being directed by Shannen ( She was told to go back
To work )……………………………………………………Also I want to point out that it’s Interesting the charmed clips folks don’t seem to want to finish season 3. The played s1 completely , interwove between 2 then parts of 5 then finished out 2. Three quarters of 5 . And most of Season 3 which it took them forever to get to . Something rather annoying bec I wanted the fans to discuss these details regarding the end of Shannon’s time in Charmed:) - esp the tension on screen in the final episodes particularly ( You can see glimpses of Alyssa snapping at Shannon or giving her dirty looks in certain
episodes throughout the season ) . Maybe most famously in their final scene together in AHBLwhere they barely looked at each other …In one E special( A biography
Of Shannen from the early 2000’s) they showed Alyssa giving Shannen a dirty look during filming the “Power Outtage “ episode . So wierd Alyssa would that on camera . Prue doesn’t have a huge storyline in season3, but she’s definitely the most important character and you can’t take your eyes off her .
The gossip sites from 2001 help a too. A lot of tea. Maybe do a Why did( and How) Shannen leave Charmed part 3. :) I know that’s a lot.
@@Kubacat984 Omigosh, I would LOVE to see the scene where Alyssa gives Shannen a dirty look! I looked up the E! Special, but I couldn't find any scenes that had Alyssa.. :(
@@weirdlybeloved maybe they edited it out. It was during the power outage ep from season 3.
Yes it’s much better, you should do asmr you have a very soothing voice
Thank you so much! 🥰
You seem like a very nice person ❤. I love charmed !! It’s my comfort show
Thank you so much! 🥰
And yuss, Charmed is just one of those shows that you're always going to love no matter what! 🩷
@@weirdlybeloved 🤍🤍 Paige is personal favorite sister. We have very similar personalities
I was part of Alyssa's website crew at the time of this event and I can tell you the so called ultimatum from Alyssa never happened. Its fiction.
I was part of her crew too and I over heard Alyssa saying she would Fuck Shannen up.
@Totally but I wish they could’ve worked it out, Shannen was on Howard Stern sometime after she left Charmed and he asked her who was the bigger Star between her and Alyssa and she said they were both equal and Shannen said she didn’t think the show would’ve worked without her or without Alyssa, and despite any hard feelings Shannen did have towards Alyssa Shannen was being honest and knew the Show would only work with all of them, and Shannen was right, I liked Rose but it just wasn’t the same after Shannen left.
Brad Kern confimed more than once that she did make that ultimatum.
Well obviously you'd say that 😂😂
That's a lie.
Spot on with your video! I totally agree. You are going to have points of insanity in any environment with a group of women. That's a given. I think all actresses came from empowering backgrounds. Shannen, for example was a little girl on Little House, and Michael Landown was a major professional and expected all his co-stars to be so as well. So it is easy to see Shannon's professionalism. It seems Brad Kern really was a hindrance to the show. When he took over, it seems the show took a nosedive in writing and tone. If the show was supposed to be about empowering women, then they really made some appalling decisions.
Thank you so much! 🥰
i think this is a very sexist take, a group of women working together is the same as men
*Landon
This whole situation is a mess, and I can genuinely see everyone involved's sides.
Just wanted to say, re: 14:30, Doherty should never have agreed to be the star and headliner of a TV series (especially one about 3 sisters who form The Power of Three, and need all 3 of which to have a show) if she knew she (at that time) "got bored easily" and "liked playing different characters and not the same character for a long time".
I'm not saying you should be forced to do something you don't like -- but if you know beforehand that you don't want to play the same character for long, stick to movies, theatre, and mini-series (at the longest). Don't sign up to headline a full-on tv show!
I love Doherty as Prue, I'm just saying.
Right?? And now she's turning around and saying she DIDN'T want to leave, and that she loved coming to work every day! It's so frustrating the way she tells one story one day and another the next.
great video weirdly
Thank you! 🥰
Loved the video! And windows movie maker hates everyone, so don’t take it personally. ❤
Haha it definitely feels that way sometimes! 😂
The story that had went around right after Shannon left most knew Alyssa said her or me. They thought Alyssa had more sex appeal and was getting the male viewer ship of 18 to 25 year old. They all lol so thought Rose would bring that too also the original writers left during that time too if I’m not mistaken, or the next year. I read at that time it was due to Kearn , but that’s been a long time ago.
This sounds like your speculation only
Right? I saw something about that, too! And Constance M. Burge seemed to definitely have issues with Kern, too, so it makes me wonder how all these people left, partly because of Kern (allegedly) but the studio never decided to get rid of the common denominator? Hmm.. 🤔
SO INTERESTING! Thanks 🙏🏻
Thank you!
Alyssa Milano was ok about Phoebe. It was her behavior after the show ended and in recent years like the past 5 years that has changed my mind about her. I do not really like her.
Yeah, I feel like ever since politics got involved it's getting a lot harder to like her and Rose. It's like.. can't we just.. talk about something else lol? But no, it always seems to come right back to that. 😔
Good video 👏👏
RIP Shannen ❤❤❤
@@Buckaroo_Baldwin ❤️
I initially loved that show but began to lose respect, interest, and eventually hope for the show as it began to get more more tawdry. Even when Shannon was still on the show, storylines were less important than showcasing the girls in skimpy outfits and showing their cleavage. It began to look like a contest between Shannon and Alyssa in that department, with Alyssa taking the lead. I can only surmise that ticked Shannen off. The character of Phoebe was a joke as she almost never had her powers but yet she would take the lead in the episodes as a genie, a mermaid, or whatever Crazy Character would allow them to show her sex appeal to bring in the male audience. I watched until the end but with much less awe and wonder 🤭
Right?! I don't mind a showy outfit here and there or crazy costumes or anything, but when it becomes the focus of the show it's like.. really? 🙄
It's why I can't stand the Ms. Hellfire episode. It was such a cool idea - a human hitman trying to take out the girls and Prue goes undercover to try and figure out who's pulling the strings - and then it's like.. ALL about the leather and the "sexy" outfits and stuff and just... whyyyyyyy 🫠
You do realise Brad Kern was behind the Skimpy outfits because he’s a Pig and Alyssa seemed more than happy to show them more, I don’t Understand why people keep saying Alyssa was sexier or prettier or whatever because when it was Airing I never heard anyone talk about Alyssa being the prettiest or the sexiest or the bigger star or whatever, I think Alyssa wanted everything Shannen had, And honestly the only person I knew when Charmed first started was Shannen I didn’t know Alyssa or Holly.
It HuRtS MY eYes WHeN soMeONe pOSts lIkE tHIs.😂
I referred to one of Alyssa's tweets.
rose's schizo interviews will never not be funny lmao
You mean her being honest? 🙄
Holy shit i havent heard of Charmed in yearss i watched it with my mom as a '03 kid.
It really was a great show! I keep trying to find a show nowadays that's on a similar level, but so far nothing's catching the eye ~
@@weirdlybeloved I don't know of anyone similar but what stood out to me growing up was Charmed, Supernatural, and Farscape (my favorite obsession. If you haven't seen it I recommend it, it's a sci-fi though)
Oh and there was once upon a time but we never finished it.
@@Jane-ow7sr I keep hearing good things about Supernatural! It's making me really want to watch the show!
You should listen to Shannen’s podcast
Lol that's actually what I'm doing right now!! The minute those episodes dropped I was like.. me thinks it's time for a part 2!
@@weirdlybeloved great I can’t wait for a part 2! Shannen and Holly go in! The tea is piping hot!
@@MEIAMDYLAN It should be up this coming Friday, and it's gonna be a looong one haha!
And Happy Holidays! ❤️
FAN ALLERT: Another Day was a two star lifetime esc movie star Shannen Doherty opposite Julian McMahon. Watch it.
@@patrickthompson3029 what’s you’re problem? I meant starting. You’re messy
@@willanbelIdk what their problem was, honestly. Guess they just really love Alyssa and/or really hate Shannen, because they were combing the comments and being nasty towards anyone they disagreed with.
I can't see what that commenter said to you since I blocked them from the channel, but I'm really sorry you had to deal with them! 😢
I don't think they liked each other sometimes you just don't like someone. They were very young and both drama queens. You seem biased
How was I biased?
@@weirdlybeloved you weren’t.
@@johnivory3245 I'm just surprised that people keep saying I'm biased, but no one cites any examples of how..? Hmm.. 🤔
@@weirdlybeloved Alyssa had a great PR team. She came across as the more likable one while Shannen had a reputation for being “difficult”.
*The show wasn't the same without Shannen. the best years were the Prue years*
Prue was my favorties person on charmed!!!
She really was great! ❤️
What happened was Aaron created this for Shannen because he felt bad because she did kinda get shafted and smeared. My Shan Shan is a bitch but she’s a reasonable bitch. When people test you and try you because you’re that talented of a thespian; Aaron loved all his people. That’s why he replaced Lori Rom with Alyssa. His girl he was making big. While he looked for a larger role for her he gave her a guest role on Melrose Place. One of the most groundbreaking shows for its time. Then he put her as a reoccurring on Fantasy island. Lori quit. She felt Shannen and Holly disclosed her. Much like Alyssa which is why she didn’t speak for the first week or two. They should have cast Rose McGowan as Phoebe because her and Shannen were already friends. They filmed a scene in Road to Nowhere together a year before charmed went into production. I think Rose would have been the better fit. Shannen was friends with Holly for a decade prior to charmed and Rose a year. She met Alyssa last and zero cast mates like her. Even Brian didn’t like her after their break up. That’s why she doesn’t come to the Comic Cons because no one from the project likes her. And her fans are dwindling every time they rewatch her treatment to Cole. Wouldn’t let his human soul move on when she was worst as a person than he was a demon. Or even the source. Counting her two lives.
@@patrickthompson3029 There's nothing wrong with sharing your opinion, but 21 comments in quick succession snapping at anyone you don't agree with is a bit much.
Can you just respect everyone in the comments and try to be a bit nicer, please? Thank you. 🙏
@@patrickthompson3029 Lol, I ask you to be nicer and respect other people in the comments and your response is "no?" Lmao.. I don't know if you had a bad day and you decided you'd take it out on me and everyone else here, but enough is enough. You can say whatever you want to me, I don't really care, but I'm not going to let you be rude to the others that have commented.
I've never blocked anyone or removed a comment, but if you can't leave people who didn't do anything to you alone then that's what I'll do. Please just stop.
Piper is my favorite sister as well ❤️
She's the best! 😍