No, I am not saying Blizzard only lets popular content creators into high ranks OR that people who ARE high rank are shills. It's just an attractive thumbnail
I think they do, cus they are the only ones taking this game relatively serious, rest of the numbers is filled up by blizzard AI bots, who couldnt tell left from right and are genuinely confused on where the point is.
It really does feel like matchmaking is so bad across the board in all ranks that I can’t believe blizzard didn’t rig this shit to make money off of noobs and to make an excuse for no integrity with their matchmaking. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Take no accountability and gaslight the skilled players.
But but but.. Look at Metro. Almost every player who plays in his rank says he's bad and doesn't deserve that rank. But he's a content creator. Acti-Blizz has a matchmaker patent. In that patent it outlines that the game may put newbie players in same games with veteran players. The newbie player sees the PotG from the veteran player, sees the skin and thinks it looks dope since this badass just got a 4k with it. Makes them want to buy the skin. Your old hard stuck account, it has many many skins doesn't it? So the game keeps giving your newbie plebs to sell your skins to them, Here's a theory. Every hero you have, equip the OW2 default skin, unequip anything else. Put on default everything. Not sure if their system pays attention to what you're wearing at the time of queuing, or if it just looks at how much the account has. Might be worth a test though.
blizzard's loves new accounts, cus they think they are getting these 'modern' new audiences, but they have the same players on like 20 alts, thats why the OW playercount always stays the same.
COD and other fps games do the same they give new accounts a slight advantage in some way to keep them playing if you start a game and get shit on you won't play as much
I made a post ther other day on how the matchmaking is rigged you go in on a 3-4 w then get 3-4 losses. Sometimes you will get a team that has no business being matched up against the other group.
this is so true, I have this alt that that is hard stuck mid plat but BUTTTTTT i have another account(s) all of my accounts that is hard stuck mid diamond.
I read on a dev blog, or somewhere else, that Blizzard likes to pair new accounts and old accounts together. The theory is the old accounts can babysit and help provide a structured experience for the new player so the new player will enjoy themselves (creating a new recurring customer). Which is smart and all from a business pov, but they don't seem to take into account that it makes for a poor experience for the veteran. They're _robbing Peter to pay Paul._
That is definitely happening to me. I have been playing since 2018 and I keep getting put with people that definitely don’t have much experience with the game and don’t belong in the lobby 😂
My main account is hard stuck diamond. I hit gm on a new account 6 months ago and have maintained the rank just fine ever since. Overwatch has extremely heavy mmr that can make old accounts hard stuck if they spend enough time in a certain rank and this is basically confirmed from actual dev comments saying "the more play time an account has, more sure mmr is of where you belong". This account is my old drunk account so it spent years in plat and diamond. If you think about it, overwatch actually needs to have heavy mmr for the ranked system to function. Realistically your impact as 1/5th of your team is too small to carry yourself past a certain point without mmr. It has to have a system that judges your skill level and then gives you team mates to push you up or down ladder based on where it believes you should be. This is why overwatch is so streak heavy and your win loss patterns usually look like this "win win win win win", "loss loss loss loss loss", "win loss win loss win loss". There's the winners queue, losers queue, and 50/50 queue. It gives you either of these based on your mmr history and how it perceives your performance. So climbing in overwatch is really all about performing in a way that makes the mmr system believe you deserve to be higher. Then you will notice your team mates become much better. This is why steam rolls are so common, because the mmr system is often trying to push people up or down ladder. It just becomes much more difficult to change the mmr systems opinion of you when you're on an account that performed at a certain level for a long time. And it's become far worse with OW2s garbage matchmaking. Anyone who plays over multiple accounts would likely tell you what I say is true cause many of us have experienced hard stuck accounts and then easily get out of where we were hard stuck after making a new account. They really need to rework the mmr system, it's way too sticky. I can't get out of diamond/gold/plat no matter what I do on my main account. The team mates it gives me literally play like silver players. My other account is GM/diamond/diamond and it's far easier to win games cause it actually gives me competent team mates. It's such an incredibly stupid system to have your rank determined by a bots opinion of your skill. And why would anyone buy skins when they figure this out? Once the bot has a strong opinion of you, you will never budge in rank ever again.
Its funny I was masters/GM in ow1 but didn't play first few season of ow2. Then when I came back I played on a steam deck so I was just throwing games 😂. Now I've been hard stuck diamond/plat ever since.
The thing is, it's not like the game tracks what players are doing in these games. It has no way to determine the subjective skill, or human component. No video game has a flawless team ranked mode. The game has smurf detection ad well, so it'll push you farther faster. This "problem" is rather easy to explain. Look at any community, they have this issue. People don't like the fact that ranked systems are designed to put you where you belong, not where you want It is rather unfortunate that people's history can hold you back. But that's how they are designed to be on their fair, but competitive side
few things just wrong first overwatch doesnt currently have a hidden mmr system, whatever rank it shows is what rank it believes you are, when your in placements your rank is more violitle, the ONLY exception being placements, i believe how placements work is they put you in the elo you would be if you won your next game (basically 1 division up) i know this from a lot of testing its not just speculation. Meaning the shit about "the more play time the more sure they are of your rank" is just not relative to this. (Also that is a perfectly fine and normal way to do systems a 1k game player should not be able to win streak and out climb a fresh account that would cause a lot of issues) If you believe there is hidden mmr or dont understand how it works i can explain in more detail just ask. Yes there is a debate saying win streaks and loss streaks should be worth more because it is a heavy team game, but not really too important. Climbing in overwatch has not even 1% to do with "performing in a way that makes the mmr system believe oyu deserve higher", for one because the mmr just works off of a few factors and only these factors not debatable. Win = 20% loss = -20%, if your team is higher rank you gain less you lose more, if your on a win or lose streak (more than 3 games i think when it starts even if it doesnt display yes i did testing) you will slowly gain more or less. If your account is on placements your gains are much more volitile, you cant lose sr in placements and you can gain a lot especially if you win streak. If your account is just off placements and has calibration your rank is more volitile for the upcoming games until it wears off and you return to the default of +-20%, only exception being a pressure factor depending on how close you are from the top or bottom of the ladder gains slightly push you to the center (low rank gain more high rank gain less but i believe they vastly changed this system in season 12). You can argue this is a form of hidden mmr, but not really remotely how other systems work. in a game like league of legends even on a 1000 game account its possible to start gaining more per win or losing more per win for the next 100 games and you will be put in lobbies higher rank than you are (a gold can be put in diamond if on a fresh account) To climb in overwatch you simply win more than you lose (technically only exception is gm or bronze as the tops and bottoms of the ladder gains are different as a gm4-3 i was gainning average 17-19% per game i could 55% wr and derank in champ) yes because the nature of the game it can be really hard to climb out of some ranks but this has absolutely 0% to do with the account and 100% to do with just unlucky matches, mental variables, and so on. I have over 10 accounts, 3 of which have been or are gm+ and others hover from bronze-diamond, ive been in every rank in the game for at least 50 hours+ each on a different account
Blizzard's match making reserves good teammates for new/returning players, and whale spenders. If you are grinding the game without paying to win, you are going to get shafted by 4/5 bad teammates constantly.
Yes you are a walking billboard fot new players, an advertisment for people to want to buy the skin too, call of duty does this very well and manipulates your matchmaking when your purchase new CoD bundles @Cemow777
@luchocartman almost like call of duty's eomm. surely activision would reserve their billion $ win loss stabilizer ai for their casual shooter game and not the competitive one as well
Yea in newer account manipulating MMR is the key If you can push it artificially high as possible, games own MMR system will be your greatest tool because it will push you "where you belong" If you are actually competive player, you will do this thing sooner or later and your first games on that newer account is most important ones than actually your first ranked games Your first ranked games will be the scope what you will use as scope to calculate can you reach your desired rank In overwtach you want to land on high plat - low diamond so you know you can climb to high ranks easily because of bloated mmr If you play lol, your desired starting rank is either high plat-diamond 4 so you can gain 34-38 lp per win and only suffer 3-8 lp per loss In new accounts, treat your first games like your life depends on them so you can bloat MMR high as possible and play like that is your last day on earth
@@ni9274 this is kinda worse in a sense if people do this On older accounts even if you havent played on them since OW1 times and made it to GM ranks at one point Those accounts have MMR ranks saved up so if you come back it will shoot you way up in a system even if you are not ready for it There was and still is a problem that people who havent played ranked for a long time has been sent to way too high for their confort zone so and people who are rusty arent able to compete with current generation of higher elo of OW scene So they will get flamed and on some ocations recorded to shame them on youtube/tiktok Some do deserve the shame for buying older account or MMR manipulated account So in a sense you still use different kind of MMR manipulating Only way Blizzard could save up ranked ladder at this point is cold hearted hard reset what no game till this point havent done But knowing Blizzard current situstion Never gonna happen
Worst state this game has ever been in. And I say that as someone who has been playing this game for 7 years. New characters don’t even get skins anymore. The matchmaker is literally so bad right now that the SR range is 500-1000 SR range regularly in these games. The competitive integrity of this game is gone. If it’s a tank diff, GG. I don’t care how well you perform, you just lose because you cannot hold or capture the objective. Supports are still disgustingly broken, and that’s coming from a support main. There are only 2-3 viable DPS in the entire roster. DVA/Ram and these armor buffs have absolutely destroyed balance in this game.
Tbh for me as a tank player its even worse with dps diff in the game since I cant deal with dps on range really when they use the space their tank create while my dps stack together on one side and nothing dies......
Man, every comment section I see has one person saying "this is the worst state ever". This game has been in its worst state for almost 7 years at this point. Overwatch doesn't have a balance issue, is everything perfectly balanced no, but nothing is so broken like goats. The game mostly has a fun problem. To many characters are fun, by denying fun. Which isn't a balance issue. This community is so full of doomers
No no a FEW characters are fun by denying fun for the majority. Sombra and widow quite literally can hold entire games hostage. Got people shooting at ghosts. Those two in particular are absolutely fun killers. They are an actual disease in this game. Widow shouldn’t even exist. What a fundamentally ridiculous character to have. To take a single step out of spawn and respawn. Delete that bitch
@@matthewking7571 a lot of people have doomer mindset and just dont know what they are talking about or completely blinded by rage. Ive been playing for years and right now is way more fun than season 7 of ow2. right, id still kinda prefer season 11 or 10 but its pretty chill. not the best no where near the worst.
@baldfelix1841 thank you. People in this community play this game because nostalgia, almost not because they like the game now. Honestly, outside of bad teammates, and a handful of characters, I'm really enjoying the game. I don't think people realize how high quality this game really is, compared to even other shooters. It also isn't nearly as plagued with cheaters. It's even pretty balanced. Plus it's not all about crowd control and shields now
Blizzard exposed. I got hard stuck on my main at d5 this season. Swapped to an old account I haven’t used since OW1 and peaked M4 and didn’t lose a single game. Teammates were godly and I didn’t have to do anything. 100% rigged.
I'm just gonna make more accounts then, the stress is not worth it and they don't deserve microtransaction money doing loyal fans this way. Wish it could just go back to the old days where there was less predetermined Ws and lobby's felt fun.
This is a problem in a lot of competitive games. If there is a ranked system in a game there is no excuse for the matchmaking to use anything other than rank as a qualification. It's an elo system. If you matchmake using anything other than the elo, it is no longer accurate or meaningful.
Can't stop thinking about this video. Struggled my way up 4 divisions, and suddenly I'm on multiple one sided losing teams where my performance doesn't matter
I’m convinced these high ranked games get metal ranks players mixed in and the match maker is lying about the rank range. The quality of games is so wild. The lack of calls and brain dead play I see in some of the high ranked games is unreal.
@@lukasg4807It's not just not being sharp it's just the game knowledge like reins even with the ability to stop pins ow2 charging off maps like this is bronze 5 meanwhile I'm over here popping off trying to push diamond yes sure you'll get leavers smurfs off days, but the amount of unbalanced games were ppl are clearly leagues above each other even though it's supposed to be similar ranked players is ridiculous
@@lukasg4807 We're talking about 50% or more of matches having players not com'ing and making big mistakes. If there are that many, either people are boosted or there is something else going on. So many profiles private, you would never know.
I'm sure this is true to some degree... Blizzard wouldn't have separated SR from MMR unless they wanted to mislead you about the skill of the lobby in some way, shape, or form.
High rank players are the sacrificial lambs. High rank plays just for the sake of playing/ to improve. But we serve as cannon fodder or a control variable for low rank/ paying customers to control the outcome of their games more.
Old account just doesn't come with any of the "Learning the game" stats that the original comes with... the matchmaker prolly just sees "Good performance, need to be higher" while on the main account it sees: "Good performance but I have early, worse stats to factor in as well so gotta make sure that one doesn't go to high"
Yes, that’s true. I have several accounts, and I’ve noticed that when you have a brand new account ready for ranking, assuming they control your win rate between 50% and 75% during quick play, you will start placements in high Gold to low Diamond. If your skill score is quite high, I believe they will identify you as smurfing and match you with normal players, allowing you to climb and converge to the rank you were originally supposed to be at. However, for older accounts, especially your original account with all your learning phases, they tend to match you with unusual players when you start a win streak. My friend and I were stuck at Platinum 1 before the first big ranking reset-I think that was Season 3? We played really hard the next season after the reset, but every time we started a win streak and got matched with Master players, we encountered throwers who would jump off the spawn point repeatedly until the match ended or leavers who would AFK during the first two minutes and then quit. Reporting these players was useless, and we kept getting pushed back to Platinum or even lower. After a few tries, we gave up and started new accounts. We began in Diamond and thought we’d finally reach Masters. Then, my friend was permanently banned without any reason during gameplay. The email said he was cheating, and I was really shocked. They don’t ban the real cheaters, even after reports, and there are still many cheaters who remain active. I’m certain my friend wasn’t cheating. I’ve shared this story many times, but a lot of people just respond with, ‘That’s not true.’ LMAO.
I had an experience yesterday that i never had before in OW. My match history in competitive (main acc) looked exactly like this: Win Win Loss Loss Win Win Loss Loss Win Win Loss Loss Win Win Loss Loss (Masters 5) I was completely stuck the whole day. Meanwhile, im getting +40% per win on my alt account in masters 3
my theory on this matter is, that they match you on hidden mmr and many old ow1 accounts or accounts that played quickplay a lot, have a certain hidden mmr and when you play ranked, you get matched against similar people or your teammates will be trash to make up for the mmr, even tho everyone is in the same rank... i have 2 old accounts, both with 6-15min q time in quickplay on more or less all roles (as reference how crazy boosted the mmr for that is) and the amount of blood sweat and tears i have to put in to win games on these accounts in ranked is criminal, teammates very dogwater and the players in the enemy team... all the god like players you can find in diamond/masters... they are there, silver-diamond border players that actually know how to play the game.... also has anyone noticed, when you play on newer ow2 accounts you will also play against newer accounts and have them on your team (no title, not much stuff to see on the account.. etc) but when you play on aged/seasoned accounts you will find many players again and again that you maybe have known for a long time also im convinced, blizzard analyses every bit of your playstyle while playing and the matchmaker does its best to give you "eomm", just to mess with your psyche (i mean they also do it in cod.. so why not in overwatch as well? sounds like a blizzard thing to do) i would also not be surprised if it tracks your behavior, how many games you left, how often you get reported and matches you on that as well. all that to avoid putting 10 random players of the same shown rank in one lobby and let the better ones climb
I've also noticed that for me personally i get low master to even top 500 against me in QP but in ranked i average diamond cause i just didn't find it as enjoyable but with how QP has been for me recently I've had to start playing ranked just to have some even games. (have 500 hours from OW1 and maybe 150 hours from OW2)
this part "also has anyone noticed, when you play on newer ow2 accounts you will also play against newer accounts and have them on your team (no title, not much stuff to see on the account.. etc) but when you play on aged/seasoned accounts you will find many players again and again that you maybe have known for a long time" is just speculation and bias, its wrong basically fresh account i made insane qp mmr because im a good player first game in ranked entire lobby is full of players i know from my main account pro players ow1 players everything i started gm5 this was like 2 weeks ago. qp mmr only affects your first ranked placement and nothing else, this is how it works in literally every game. yes that means if you dont play qp and only play ranked your qp will be a lot lower or other way around.
I'm a player that has played tons of Qp and my theory is this. The game has it's own baseline Mmr system that then triggers conditional calculation depending on some extra factors. What i mean by that is that the game knows that your overall performance has been lets say, 4000 mmr, all accross the board. If you play qp it will then match you with very wide spectrum of players. Bcs the average is lot lower than 4000 mmr, it internally assigns you as the carry of your team and can place you with golds. On the other team it's similar case, but bcs it's very lenient it might end up matching 4 masters and 1 gm vs 1 gm, 2 gold, 1 plat and 1 master. I've had games against top500 players few times with very low rank teammates as for ranked it works similar, but it's stricter and more narrow. However, sometimes your baseline mmr can complicate things because it lets one mode influence the other. In those cases you end getting very weird matches. Generally the less you play and less modes you play, the more scarce the data it works with and the more extreme the system's view of you is There also seems to be priorities when the system makes mathmaking and placement decision. It goes kinda like this: 1.Don't disappoint players with low playtime, make it feel good for them 2.don't let very strong players stay in low ranks 3.find good matches for new low players 4.find good matches for new mid-high players 5.if you can't find matches, take one high elo player and place them with lower elo teammates vs. Full Mid elo enemy team 6. Find good matches for old active accounts It'd take way too long to explain how i got to this conclusion, but just think about new account always seem to have it smoother, how unranked to GM end up in masters right after placenent 90% of the cases. How it's way more likely to get outmatched by whole team rather than have only 1 sticking out (when that 1 appears it's always smurf that's still in placement), how there's very bad players with high rank who have like 90h in the game, how it's much more likely to get stuck back to a rank you've been at some point etc. And you think about it, all these priorities start to make sense, from Bizzard's POV: the top is the players that need to be babysitted the most and spoiled so they stick around, and the bottom is players expected to stay and put up with shit bcs that's what they've been doing for years
@@yoyo-van how qp mmr alone does 100% work each role has a specified rank and it is 100% identical to competitive if you are actually curious do some research you will find out more. The reason why you feel like it might place you as the carry is because they added a system (a very good system at that but mostly good for competitive not qp) in which enemies will always have one player around your skill level, if I’m gm mmr tank I will always face another gm mmr tank but since qp is so lenient in match making and also qp mmr is much more subjective for skill level you can get unfair games. Recently I was queuing on a gm mmr tank with a bunch of like silver players and one new player if I was on tank we got stomped every game because it raises the average rank by a ton if I was on dps it’s a lot easier and we always won. If I were to soloq on one of those accounts usually is the same experience but more balanced since I have higher ranked teams, I’d always be the carry because my mmr is the highest and usually the enemy would he high mmr too to match me. It’s often how high ranked qp mmr works. Qp match making is shit for winning in every game it is and that’s ok the goal of it is not to give favorable matches the goal is to make people have fun and balance of games is just one of many variables they look at. Though the mmr is identical to competitive the match maker is not
I just found your videos and I have to say it's so refreshing hearing someone share the same sentiments as me. There's such a huge skill disparity in all my matches, I constantly get players that walk in 1v5, everyone's shooting a different enemy, or chase a player before capturing the point, meanwhile the other teams are hyper coordinated. It's such an infuriating experience that's constantly dismissed by people as skill issues.
BRO IM SO GLAD YOU SPOKE ON THIS i’ve been a t500 console player the past few seasons but this season my main has literally been hardstuck masters 3 and my alt account i kid you not is champ 4 i have a 80% win rate and im close to finishing my 50 games i will literally be top 10 but hardstuck masters i dont get it
I would give a kidney to be stuck in masters 5. My guy what a dream. Please I want your problems. Give me your burdens. If there is a god one day I can be “stuck” in masters 5
everyone has good and bad seasons, i peaked gm3 rank 71 this season. the meta doesnt support every player, sometimes you just get unlucky even if you deserve higher, usually you will always gain your rank back, at the start of this season my account was m3 20% and my dps was higher rank than my sup i dont even play dps.
@@kylerholcomb229 trust me everyone is trying to improve and getting stuck even at m5 SUCKS im stuck in m4 and i hate it all u can do is try ur best even if it means making a new acc
when they added the expected and consultation that was them admitting the game has always been rigged. They know fi they're gonna give you that one guy who refuses to swap or the guy whose boosted. they know if you are gonna lose a match based on who they give u or if they decide to pair you against ppl way out of ur skill range even by 5 divisions
Iam a plat player. my whole OW life i am in Plat 1-2. Sometimes i go to diamon.I dont play a lot and that's totally ok. But i could show you losing streaks and winning streaks far from the normal. And thats the reason why i stopped playing ranked, there is nothing in between and that whats feels so bad
im same as you, plat most of playtime and hit diamond few times. i just deleted the game, cuz most matches are boring, you need to play tens matches to catch an intresting close 50/50 game that give you different emotions and intention to play again even if you lose. most of matches are not close and one team destroy another. i dont get any good emotions if i win in it, i feel bad for loser team, and i feel only annoyance and intention to hit alt+f4 and delete the game if i lose
@GREED_EU They deleted your Thread on the forums. The one where you posted you video and we all where having a convo about this. Did you delete it or did “they”
Comp has been made to cater to smurfs and t500 players who stream their unranked to GM. That twitch advertising is how they keep most of their players. Casuals and Overwatch fans watch a t500 do their 100th unranked to t500 on their 100th smurf account; they then get the urge to log on and play themselves. I'm tired of matchmaking and the Overwatch community.
I use as example what Riot's own match making system makes you go through If you have over 60% wr, it will give player to your team who have most likely loss streak because you are so good And you will face enemy who will most likely play champions that counter most of your picks This system was implemented at s7 and it was discovered how this worked fully at s8 Overwatch's system reminds me of League's system that forces you towards 50% wr because it measn you will grind more thus pushing play time So when ever game devs talk about match making systems and stuff it will be good and bad thing at the same time
MMR can be manipulated but in everygame it has to be done very moment you create account, regardless of game, be it Dota2, League, Overwatch etc. Most match making systems follow this core philosophy because it has been proven to work 90% of games casual player base For casuals, this is amazing thing because it will put you in more balanced games but to hard core gamers towards less than 5% of the peaks, it will be a hell at times Edit: So if your teammates feel better to play with newer account, its not science to figure out that you have manipulated to artificially push mmr high as possible so system tries to push you "where you belong", this is core idea what MMR elo boosters do and sell many boosted accounts be it league or overwatch, and yes, it is sad as it sounds
So saying your match making system is rigged is like saying water is wet and sky is blue for gamers who have played MMR match making games over 12 years Edit: those who say games are not rigged are casual players, they have never actually reached games peak player base to actually feel the impact of the match making system So of course they will say games is not rigged but in reality it works as intended, casuals just dont know they are being pushed to play like this years and years
This is actually something that happens in a lot of competitive games that have a system to prevent smurfs. I believe the reason why that may be the case is because the system tries to put you in a lobby with players of similar stats, but because the win rate of your account is lower even if stats like your KDA is good it still has to put you with people of similar win rate. That would also explain why on newer accounts as you win more you get put in lobbies with people who win more as well, so you end up having consistently decent teammates, whereas on your top500btw because your winrate isnt as high you get consistently poor teammates. It would also explain why older accounts get hardstuck, as they keep their winrate from previous seasons, and as you get more and more trolls and the win rate lowers, you end up getting EVEN MORE trolls and the win rate gets even worse, resulting in consitantly bad teammates and the feeling of the system being rigged.
I have an account that skyrocketed to m2 (all the games were piss easy) and I have another account that has been hardstuck low masters for about 3 seasons now. I've regularly been mid to high gm and I peaked top 150. The game makes no sense. My accounts have been all over the place ever since the champ rank was introduced to the game. Masters lobbies always feel like a mix of plat players and ex grandmaster players. Most of the most frustrating games of Overwatch I've ever played have been in low masters (post season 8). There's no excuse for a masters player to have a 500 ms reaction time and make the most mind numbingly stupid plays you've ever seen. Some of these masters supports literally suzu dead bodies. It's clear that the game doesn't know how to assess player skill.
Because if you was Flats or Samito you would get prioritized, It's a bit like how cod has whitelists, If your a top level ''Comp'' streamer suddenly doors will open and you will rank like crazy.
I wanna dismiss crazy shit like this, but then Activision will get caught with its pants down admitting that they know about every big name streamer thats using walls/aimbot but refuse to ban them until they're exposed to the public.
THANK YOU, I was doing my placement matches and I was 1 win away from Plat and then all of a sudden my teammates were genuinely shit (feeding, staggering, bad one-tricks) and I'm on a continuously downfall
honestly no clue whats going through these guys heads, a matchmaker needs to be simple in principle the fact they are adding anything beyond "number go up number go down" basically dooms them into opening pandoras box of over engineering, gg sub 100iq devs you win this time ig?
@matthewking7571 but is it necessary? I don't think so. I would say that the OP is right on this one, if you for whatever reason manipulate the matchmaking it no longer is competitive. Pure and simple. Prevent cheaters from ruining the experience and leave ranking up and down to peoples skill. I would love to be able to actually play on my main and get people of my skill and competency level in my matches.
@@masloking12 you literally didn't talk about anything I said. Almost every ranked mode, in any game, has modifiers. Point blank and simple. So no he's not
@@matthewking7571 blud modifiers are fine if they are simple too, you open up too many possibilities with these bum ass mmr systems where we have genuinely no fucking clue what's going on, and i guarantee nor do the devs. In your head ur thinking oh it's prob just some small modifier like +10% here -10% there, i guarantee you that is not the fucken case and if u play any of these comp games long enough u just know it because the behaviour is not controllable
@keg7991 they aren't really that confusing at all, they are pretty simple. Streaks affect it, uncertainty affects it, and expected results affect it. Those are the 3 major modifiers, if not the only. The point of a ranked system is to find the most competitively balanced environment for you, for how often you win or lose. They aren't that complicated at all, and many mmr systems use modifiers. So I don't understand what so complicated, or even rigged about it
I made 3 accounts and placed D5 dps/heals on 2 accounts, the other account i was placed in silver with my team mates constantly having negative K/D and it seems like i'm always forced to carry. matchmaking is always making it 50% win rate with a constant win 1 game lose 1 game cycle
I started to realize that every game I won, I was completely useless because my teammates were actual gods and the enemy were a bunch of brainlets. Every game I lost, I held my own, but my teammates were the brainlets and the enemy team were gods. It's not a fair fight and I'm tired of blaming myself. I can't get better if the enemy team is steamrolling us. I can't get better if my team is doing the steamrolling while I freeload.
That's the same scenarios as mine. l am seriously thinking of deleting the game from my life. l am not playing rank but constantly losing one sided games despite giving a good performance on QP,arcade or Ranked is beyond insanity. Even Applies to LOL too, they all use the system. All of them have patterns that you feel while playing games. These scenarios above are the patterns you and I feel. It's not random and certainly not natural. So l am asking you, should l delete this? Just an opinion l want
@@deadspace4755 if you are a solo q person, i would delete it. if you play with friends, keep it. im in that predicament too but only thing holding me back from quitting are my friends who still play.
@@kirk- Even with "friends" it is still not enough. Most people just play with you with no real communication. As for real friends, sooner or later, we will all acknowledge how bad this is. It's not about overwatch but it is about the system and how it uses us as products. Whenever l play a game, l always feel like there is a pattern. I think about it and see how it goes. One thing for sure, whenever l play it, even if l play relaxed; lot of wasted time has passed and l got tired. l feel exhaustion, that's not good from a game. Not including over spent time playing over 4 hours, l mean in general
They let anyone into gold nowadays, carried 4 games straight and lost all because of either a tank or dps not wanting to play with the team or refusing to swap off.
My new alt account got gm4 w doom with 68%win rate My main that's gm3 when I played on it last season 7, is lit stuck at dia 1 / m 5 with a 52% w rate i thought I was losing it
The matchmaking is awful, even with 2-3 BRAND NEW friends, it matches me with only my skill level forcing us to lose game after game. I’m forced to leave just for them to have fun. You’d think after 8 losses the game would change something…
im starting to believe the "blizzard is forcing a 50/50 winrate!" crowd because i am a diamond dps player and on my gold alt account im trying to get decent at tracer and i was literally 11-3 and then immediately went on a huge loss streak to where i am now 13-12 with 2 of the losses being from a tank player that just 1v4ed the enemy team constantly, 1 loss from a tank player just refusing to ever play aggressive at all, and 2 losses from the tank player just straight up leaving the game after losing one fight. the system is fucking RIGGED it doesnt even feel like i deserve a win or loss anymore it just feels like it was either my turn to win or my turn to lose
I always was told “You are were you outta be” by many folks when it comes to comp Overwatch. This video makes me thank perhaps my 7 year old OW account is now rigged to forever be in low plat. It’s hard to actually learn and get better when ever game you get is a complete stomp with dumbass teammates. It’s like a dopamine rush, always stopping you from leaving by forcing you to think it’s your problem and not the games and that YOU need to get better and not the game’s shit ass matchmaking system
Mfs will still just say you’re bad instead of just admitting the ranked system in this game is horribly flawed and easily gained if you know what you’re doing
Blizzard Meat Munchers will say “the system is flawless and you just got lucky winning 95% of your games on an alt😂” awhile back I did a similar thing to what you did Greed, in like season 7 or 8 I made an alt acc and finished masters 5. By the end of that play session, solo Q btw, I was masters 2 on console which was top 200. My main account was stuck in high plat to low dmd. My friends all essentially did the same thing and we found all of us had much better experiences on new accounts with no data for the algorithm to abuse vs our mains who had like 1,000 games. IMO I feel like the devs have an algorithm that determines what rank you should be and will at all cost keep you there. My main acc hovers around plat1 to dmd 4-3, my ult hovers around masters 1 to GM5 😂. This is antidotal but, like a week ago I played a game on Kings Row as Rein. I finished that game with 27k dmg with 77 Elims. Here’s the kicker, I only died 3 times. My dps on the other hand had both had 5k and 7k dmg with Elims into the 20’s with death also into the 20’s. The stats were so mind boggling the other team said that I didn’t deserve to be down here and I agreed with them 😂. In that one game I had more Elims and damage than my other 4 teammates combined along with a fraction of there deaths ON REIN 😂. I swear once when the game “feels” you should be somewhere it will do whatever it can to keep you there. Every now and then it will let you go on like a 10 ish game win streak to allow you to feel like you are making progress just to then make you lose 10 games in a row and put yo back in square 1. It’s why I loved playing this game the first few seasons I’ve played, but after season 7-8 range I’ve just given up. It’s pointless to try so hard to win just to have the game force you to lose.
its so funny my main has like 50 wr everywhere then i swap to my alt win every game and have a 75 wr and im higher rank and my teamates are not bad cant say that from my main its like im supposed to hard carry every game
Yup, and everyone else in the comments confirm with their experiences too. And it isn't just high ranks either. I'm a low rank player, no shame in it, but was simultaneously hard stuck bronze in one account, high gold in the other for several seasons. The system decides where it wants an account and puts it there.
I've done so much testing around this (pre-season 9) and it was extremely awful back then, smurfs ranked so much higher than anything else with a fifteenth of the effort (got gm3 after placements on one account [while my main had peaked GM4 at the time] and it took close to 300 games to hit GM off a bronze 4 account). However since you get so much less SR for winning/losing now I'd imagine it's just so much worse than how it used to be, I wouldn't really know. I quit playing this game like a month ago (except with friends) and have been enjoying life so much more since. Hope they sit down and fix this eventually instead of adding more stupid stuff like these corny red nametag thingies they just added.
You know you exposed something else. Like how you get more coordination with teammates on the new account over your main account and I was just recommended this vid and saw the difference after a few minutes 💀
"Have you considered that you are the only factor in all of your games?" Overwatch reddit trying to cope with the fact that their parents don't love them.
Historically it's always been easier to get a fresh account to a higher rank than what you have on an OG account. Part of this, is that newer accounts are often grouped up with some more experienced accounts, and it somewhat boosts the newer account. The problem is, when the new players is actually new, and a bit boosted, they are the "bad teammates" you end up with on an experienced account, and like in your case, where you are already a good player, you're most likely being put with other experienced players, but you're not holding them back, because you're not actually new and somewhat boosted. This along with randomness and low priority queues (which I'm almost 100% sure they due based on account reports for "toxic behavior" ie telling your 5-17 tracer to switch) you end up with trash teammates more often than not. So yeah, it does seem to be a bit rigged. Also the placements seem all over the place in general. I did tank placements after the reset, played out of my freaking head, diffing the enemy tank, out dpsing the dps, and placed gold 3.... Did my support placements, only played Zen, and just basically existed, lost every single game, and placed plat 4. Make it make sense.
When I was back in season 5-6 of competitive in Overwatch 1 I reached my max of Diamond 3-2 if I remember correctly, I want to try it out on my main and see where I end up, and a new account and see if I get higher, but on the other hand I feel that I have better stuff to do with my time than visit the cashgrab that is Overwatch 2, they lost me already when they were pairing me with braindead teammates during OW1 and now they removed lootboxes to boot with it.
A few years ago I went from mid plat to high diamond in a day. I played about 20 games and lost 2. The games were INSANELY easy. Then I guess the rank system overlord realized what happened because I then proceeded to lose EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. until I fell to high gold. They were unwinnable! Also, let get real the way matchmaking goes it you win one or two easily and then lose one or two by a landslide with the occasional high quality match where everyone is doing good. There’s def something weird with the matchmaker
all im sayin is ive been outhealing my ana/juno as jq losing the game goin 30-2 and my supports will either actively throw or jus everyone blames me its an unreal experience edit: i dont think im the best tank but ive consistenly had a sombra or tracer all game or both dying once a minute for 20 minutes straight, recently had a tank dps have a combined 31 deaths at 15 minutes into the game, unreal.
As someone who has played since 2016 and experienced the exact same thing, I believe it has to do with blizz rigging the system to get new accounts to "enjoy the game" and buy cosmetics. Whereas our 8 year old accounts have all the skins and will most likely not provide any profit so it places us in less winning games. I have created alt accounts and the same thing happens. I also believe they keep players of certain skill levels at specific ranks to keep que times lower across the board.
i think a hugely overlooked element to this is the talking shit part. i would not be surprised to find they are intentionally matching more 'toxic' players differently compared to positive or silent accounts. completely unrelated to endorsement just purely on text and voicechat activity. i was watching this half paying attention at the end but i had such a whiplash moment at 9:22 because its exactly the same for me
Conspiracy theorey time!!! I have this weird gut feeling that the reason for the games being rigged, is the matchmaker putting teams together based on some hidden reputation system. The more you get avoided and reported, the more likely you get grouped with players who also get avoided/reported. Which results in you having those really awful teams. And maybe the matchmaker puts you also against teams that have good "reputation". It would actually make so much sense because in their head that would be a nice punishment for toxic team mates. And it would explain why your new account felt so good because you didnt get reported/avoided yet. I really hope I am wrong with my conspiracy but i struggle to see what else it could be...
Matchmaking has a value that represents your skill (MMR), and a value that represents how correct it believes the MMR to be (certainty). The lower the certainty, the higher the swings in MMR are, and vice versa. I assume Overwatch matches based entirely on MMR, not the visual ranks (or if visual is taken into account it's only a soft constraint like within x tiers.) So you have an old account that's in low Masters. This is going to be high certainty because you're probably at 50% win rate. Essentially that's just what that bracket of players is, so you're going to get them constantly. Compare that to a new account, the game has no certainty of the MMR, so it's going to start you at some baseline and wildly swing you up or down based on wins/losses. You win 8/10 games, and kept winning all the way through to GM. The game quickly put the new account's MMR higher than your old one, and you're getting players who are at least GM, likely far earlier than you would expect. This is why masters was so different, you're not actually matching masters players on that account. You skipped past them and are playing with higher tier players. There's also possibly a bonus applied to accelerate a new account as a countermeasure for smurfing, making this even more pronounced. I don't have a solution for it, but that's more or less why it's happening unless I forgot something.
I thought I was crazy for telling friends that the people I played against in low masters were insane. They would say I’m just shit but when I would go onto my alt account that is only a month old I would feel like I’m in low diamond when in actuality the account was placed Masters 1. Its stupid because I want to rank up my main account that I have had for 6 years but its almost impossible.
i have the same experience last season i ended gm3 on dps going 16-1 and currently gm5 on dps with a 70 sum win rate on my most played hero but if i try to duo with my friend whos hard stuck diamond we lose back to back to back for context i peaked 4.6k on tank (rank 1) and im very consistently top 250 when i play on dps (my current main role) yet the account i play on with my friend dropped from d1 to d3 on dps without me throwing or doing a bit of trolling and im not even going to lie its extremely tilting.
im hardstuck low plat on my main but im mid/low diamond on my alt, sometimes the matchmaker is kinda shit on my alt but im comp banned on my main (dodging anubis) so i can't experiment further
MMR has destroyed the matchmaking is what I've been convinced of for a long time. Main accounts are seriously forced into a set range of ranks, and it's tremendously hard to move those.
The game doesn't assume that a new player is already good at the game, so it will give you better teammates than it should when trying to balance the lobby. An old account that has done well consistently won't be put on a team with the best players in the lobby. It takes a while for an account to build up enough stats to be considered reliable data, so even though the game seems to be boosting you, it's really just assuming you're not good. That's why you get better teammates and more of a reward per win. It's predicting that you will lose.
same here. My main acc which is like 7 years old, is stuck in plat and 4/5 games I play are lost because people I have in my team play like bronze 5 players or newcomers and overwatch is a game where you just can't solo carry because of heals and abilities like shields, suzus etc. When I made a sec acc I got to masters and with like 85-90% wr I got to gm5 and on that acc most of the times I was getting really good teammates and not ppl who are barely moving and shittalking tank for not playing shield. At this point I totally lost all of my motivation to play this game Edit: also I want to add that Overwatch is the only game where I feel that I can't rank up only because of my teammates and not because of me. In other games like R6, Rocket League when I can't rank up, it's because I know that i'm underperforming and I need to improve. So it says all about ow ranking system and how good it is and how legit your rank is
I’ve met so many smurfs in Plat to Diamond with 20 to 50 hours average in the game overall. I’ve talked to these Masters losers who got ego boosted and kept admitting they got banned (Gee I wonder why…) It’s absurd, I get to fight or play with people with hundreds or even thousands of hours more than me and I’m still better than them. But it doesn’t matter, I just lose.
Same bs for me. On my main account im a plat 4 with a lose streak of 15 games or so (dps, tracer main), but on my alt im gm5 lmao. Overwatch’s “hidden pool” is so blatant
I genuinely hate to be that Genji main that complains about teammates. I don't even ask for healing in game to avoid the stereotype lol. But legitimately, I swear to god, it is not my fault I'm hard stuck at Plat 4. The skill based matchmaking just straight up forces me to lose with my teammates. Bro, the match range will be insane too, like Silver to Diamond, and I swear it feels like all the silver is somehow on my team. I try my hardest to peel for my supports, I'll save deflect just to bail teammates out of situations, but no matter what I do every other game, my team is getting slaughtered.
I notice this even on my only 2 accounts I have. Once stuck D5 and the new one I made for testing purposes, I peaked M1 before just stopping. Not only that, but I wouldn't be surprised if different accounts get pooled with certain people only because I never see the same names between the 2 accounts but I see the same people everyday within the accounts themselves
The game is so toxic by default based on the matches they are rigging together. They literally are creating a toxic environment with such shit matchmaking. It’s maddening. On top of that people will second guess their actual skill because of such discrepancies in the matchmaking. Doing really good then having zero control over an outcome is not proper matchmaking. It’s match-rigging. It’s artificial and it makes their game a complete joke.
When did you make these accounts,are they both ow1 or 2 and did you ever play console on these accounts? jus curious to compare with my own data EDIT: also, this is exactly what I was talkin about a few videos ago and got constantly shit on for it
@@GREED_EU Yeah, that's what I thought. With my two accounts it's the same deal except I made the mistake of merging my ow1 account with my ow2 account on the switch. I think that's why that account is cursed. First 5 seasons of comp I got banned for disconnecting too many times an I don't think it's ever recovered. Now I get nothing but bots
I who is normally a Masters play is hardstuck in GOLD! I'm playing GREAT in my matches but it's never enough. I hate saying its my teammates fault because it just reinforces the OW stereotype of "It's everyone else's fault but my own" but when I get a fresh Doomfist OTP who is 6-14 saying XD every time he dies or a Bap that has 10+ deaths I want to just die inside. This game really hates it's veteran players.
Thanks for taking time to post this evidence that the matchmaking is rigged or at the very least BROKEN. People have been screaming about this on the forums for years, winning matches with ease on an account that is 1500SR higher and then on a loss streak on the lower account. I've experienced it myself, so have the other content creators they just don't walk to talk about it because they're afraid of getting made fun of or some other lame reason. It's not debatable, the matchmaker is either rigged or completely broken. All the other content creators should start saying the same thing and releasing videos proving it until they stop whatever it is they're doing.
This same thing has happened to me with 2-3 accounts. Main account is hardstuck low Masters, but I have zero issue climbing alts to GM. I theorize that these are bs retention elements that is in play and fking over accounts. Long-time players are more likely to grind out consistent-usage accounts, so they force us into winrates (close to 50%) that force us to keep playing, but their algorithm is over-adjusted. Accounts that are new, have less play-time or have less consistent logged time are matched with "winning" players, because they want to retain those players, and so gift them wins. Somehow I feel like "calibration multipliers" last longer on newer accounts than older ones... I should pay more attention to that stupid bar. I guess their anti-smurf stuff could play a part too. End of the day, MM is totally fked, and needs to be fixed. And there definitely has to be more transparency with how it works. Info we get in game is nice, but I'd love to see what kind of algorithms they use.
I wonder if the match maker puts new smurf accounts together so that they stomp their way to their proper rank faster so that they ruin less games while they climb because they're all in a group and the games will be over quicker. Maybe that's only for new accounts though. I don't know if I'm right about that, but it would explain the situation.
My theory is that, your MMR and Rank on your Top500 got really out of sync. We know that Rank and MMR are kind of separate, Rank is what's displayed to you, and MMR is your "invisible rank, or ranks" that the matchmaker uses to pick your team. Quick play, as an example only has MMR, and no ranks. Now, normally those two should be in sync, but given that MMR is legacy Blizzard black magic, that works completely separately from the visible rank, it's possible that your Rank fell to Masters, while your MMR is waaay higher then anyone in Masters. So the matchmaker pick the literal wort teammates that it can find in masters, to "even out" the score.
No, I am not saying Blizzard only lets popular content creators into high ranks OR that people who ARE high rank are shills. It's just an attractive thumbnail
I think they do, cus they are the only ones taking this game relatively serious, rest of the numbers is filled up by blizzard AI bots, who couldnt tell left from right and are genuinely confused on where the point is.
Hard agree with the thumbnail. Based thumbnail stand by that shit and be about it.
It really does feel like matchmaking is so bad across the board in all ranks that I can’t believe blizzard didn’t rig this shit to make money off of noobs and to make an excuse for no integrity with their matchmaking. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Take no accountability and gaslight the skilled players.
It’s rigged and terrible lol
But but but.. Look at Metro. Almost every player who plays in his rank says he's bad and doesn't deserve that rank. But he's a content creator.
Acti-Blizz has a matchmaker patent. In that patent it outlines that the game may put newbie players in same games with veteran players. The newbie player sees the PotG from the veteran player, sees the skin and thinks it looks dope since this badass just got a 4k with it. Makes them want to buy the skin.
Your old hard stuck account, it has many many skins doesn't it? So the game keeps giving your newbie plebs to sell your skins to them, Here's a theory. Every hero you have, equip the OW2 default skin, unequip anything else. Put on default everything.
Not sure if their system pays attention to what you're wearing at the time of queuing, or if it just looks at how much the account has. Might be worth a test though.
They expect you to carry EVERY game as an old account no matter what
blizzard's loves new accounts, cus they think they are getting these 'modern' new audiences, but they have the same players on like 20 alts, thats why the OW playercount always stays the same.
Don’t tell the unaware paste eaters on reddit this. Those dummies think overwatch is on the up and up
COD and other fps games do the same they give new accounts a slight advantage in some way to keep them playing if you start a game and get shit on you won't play as much
@@willtheconqueror6148 youi're being too generous by saying paste eaters. They more of crayon munchers
I made a post ther other day on how the matchmaking is rigged you go in on a 3-4 w then get 3-4 losses. Sometimes you will get a team that has no business being matched up against the other group.
this is so true, I have this alt that that is hard stuck mid plat but BUTTTTTT i have another account(s) all of my accounts that is hard stuck mid diamond.
I just want the devs to admit it at this point. Anyone defending this system rn is delusional.
samito
@@erjohn5404 Samito is the only one calling it out for years and he got a lot of hate for it. What drugs are you using?
@@Cushingura he said the sbmm right now is fair. But he is losing his sanity more every time.
@@erjohn5404Samito’s a toxic d*** tho
everytime u win 3,4 games u are guaranteed to get junkrat and genji as teammates
Or Hanzo yup
Speaking on behalf of the genji players on your team… this game is trash and I regret everything!
they're either awesome or without a doubt complete utter trash
Or a feeding tank
😂
I read on a dev blog, or somewhere else, that Blizzard likes to pair new accounts and old accounts together. The theory is the old accounts can babysit and help provide a structured experience for the new player so the new player will enjoy themselves (creating a new recurring customer). Which is smart and all from a business pov, but they don't seem to take into account that it makes for a poor experience for the veteran. They're _robbing Peter to pay Paul._
It's in their Activision-Blizzard matchmaking patent.
That is definitely happening to me. I have been playing since 2018 and I keep getting put with people that definitely don’t have much experience with the game and don’t belong in the lobby 😂
source ?
@@ni9274 it was in one of their dev blogs a while ago, i don't remember exactly... all past dev blogs remain on their site to go read
Here's what actually happens: the old players try to provide that structured experience but the garbage new players say "well you don't heal".
My main account is hard stuck diamond. I hit gm on a new account 6 months ago and have maintained the rank just fine ever since. Overwatch has extremely heavy mmr that can make old accounts hard stuck if they spend enough time in a certain rank and this is basically confirmed from actual dev comments saying "the more play time an account has, more sure mmr is of where you belong". This account is my old drunk account so it spent years in plat and diamond.
If you think about it, overwatch actually needs to have heavy mmr for the ranked system to function. Realistically your impact as 1/5th of your team is too small to carry yourself past a certain point without mmr. It has to have a system that judges your skill level and then gives you team mates to push you up or down ladder based on where it believes you should be.
This is why overwatch is so streak heavy and your win loss patterns usually look like this "win win win win win", "loss loss loss loss loss", "win loss win loss win loss".
There's the winners queue, losers queue, and 50/50 queue. It gives you either of these based on your mmr history and how it perceives your performance.
So climbing in overwatch is really all about performing in a way that makes the mmr system believe you deserve to be higher. Then you will notice your team mates become much better. This is why steam rolls are so common, because the mmr system is often trying to push people up or down ladder.
It just becomes much more difficult to change the mmr systems opinion of you when you're on an account that performed at a certain level for a long time. And it's become far worse with OW2s garbage matchmaking.
Anyone who plays over multiple accounts would likely tell you what I say is true cause many of us have experienced hard stuck accounts and then easily get out of where we were hard stuck after making a new account.
They really need to rework the mmr system, it's way too sticky. I can't get out of diamond/gold/plat no matter what I do on my main account. The team mates it gives me literally play like silver players. My other account is GM/diamond/diamond and it's far easier to win games cause it actually gives me competent team mates.
It's such an incredibly stupid system to have your rank determined by a bots opinion of your skill. And why would anyone buy skins when they figure this out? Once the bot has a strong opinion of you, you will never budge in rank ever again.
My 7 year old main account is hardstuck diamond too, but my 3 year old alt is currently gm5 top 230.. So yeah..
No you do budge you just need a 70+ winrate for 20+ games to go from d3 to m5 till the rank reset ofc
Its funny I was masters/GM in ow1 but didn't play first few season of ow2. Then when I came back I played on a steam deck so I was just throwing games 😂. Now I've been hard stuck diamond/plat ever since.
The thing is, it's not like the game tracks what players are doing in these games. It has no way to determine the subjective skill, or human component. No video game has a flawless team ranked mode. The game has smurf detection ad well, so it'll push you farther faster. This "problem" is rather easy to explain. Look at any community, they have this issue. People don't like the fact that ranked systems are designed to put you where you belong, not where you want
It is rather unfortunate that people's history can hold you back. But that's how they are designed to be on their fair, but competitive side
few things just wrong
first overwatch doesnt currently have a hidden mmr system, whatever rank it shows is what rank it believes you are, when your in placements your rank is more violitle, the ONLY exception being placements, i believe how placements work is they put you in the elo you would be if you won your next game (basically 1 division up) i know this from a lot of testing its not just speculation. Meaning the shit about "the more play time the more sure they are of your rank" is just not relative to this. (Also that is a perfectly fine and normal way to do systems a 1k game player should not be able to win streak and out climb a fresh account that would cause a lot of issues) If you believe there is hidden mmr or dont understand how it works i can explain in more detail just ask.
Yes there is a debate saying win streaks and loss streaks should be worth more because it is a heavy team game, but not really too important.
Climbing in overwatch has not even 1% to do with "performing in a way that makes the mmr system believe oyu deserve higher", for one because the mmr just works off of a few factors and only these factors not debatable. Win = 20% loss = -20%, if your team is higher rank you gain less you lose more, if your on a win or lose streak (more than 3 games i think when it starts even if it doesnt display yes i did testing) you will slowly gain more or less. If your account is on placements your gains are much more volitile, you cant lose sr in placements and you can gain a lot especially if you win streak. If your account is just off placements and has calibration your rank is more volitile for the upcoming games until it wears off and you return to the default of +-20%, only exception being a pressure factor depending on how close you are from the top or bottom of the ladder gains slightly push you to the center (low rank gain more high rank gain less but i believe they vastly changed this system in season 12). You can argue this is a form of hidden mmr, but not really remotely how other systems work. in a game like league of legends even on a 1000 game account its possible to start gaining more per win or losing more per win for the next 100 games and you will be put in lobbies higher rank than you are (a gold can be put in diamond if on a fresh account)
To climb in overwatch you simply win more than you lose (technically only exception is gm or bronze as the tops and bottoms of the ladder gains are different as a gm4-3 i was gainning average 17-19% per game i could 55% wr and derank in champ)
yes because the nature of the game it can be really hard to climb out of some ranks but this has absolutely 0% to do with the account and 100% to do with just unlucky matches, mental variables, and so on. I have over 10 accounts, 3 of which have been or are gm+ and others hover from bronze-diamond, ive been in every rank in the game for at least 50 hours+ each on a different account
Blizzard's match making reserves good teammates for new/returning players, and whale spenders. If you are grinding the game without paying to win, you are going to get shafted by 4/5 bad teammates constantly.
So if you buy skins will it give you better teammates?
Yes you are a walking billboard fot new players, an advertisment for people to want to buy the skin too, call of duty does this very well and manipulates your matchmaking when your purchase new CoD bundles @Cemow777
@@Cemow777 Nope
Nope, it's not pay to win is have purchased stuff and my account is still in this weird 2 wins one hard as he'll possible lost
@luchocartman almost like call of duty's eomm. surely activision would reserve their billion $ win loss stabilizer ai for their casual shooter game and not the competitive one as well
I always said unranked to GMs are bulshit because people use new accounts for them
Yea in newer account manipulating MMR is the key
If you can push it artificially high as possible, games own MMR system will be your greatest tool because it will push you "where you belong"
If you are actually competive player, you will do this thing sooner or later and your first games on that newer account is most important ones than actually your first ranked games
Your first ranked games will be the scope what you will use as scope to calculate can you reach your desired rank
In overwtach you want to land on high plat - low diamond so you know you can climb to high ranks easily because of bloated mmr
If you play lol, your desired starting rank is either high plat-diamond 4 so you can gain 34-38 lp per win and only suffer 3-8 lp per loss
In new accounts, treat your first games like your life depends on them so you can bloat MMR high as possible and play like that is your last day on earth
plenty of unranked to GMs made on older account
@@ni9274 this is kinda worse in a sense if people do this
On older accounts even if you havent played on them since OW1 times and made it to GM ranks at one point
Those accounts have MMR ranks saved up so if you come back it will shoot you way up in a system even if you are not ready for it
There was and still is a problem that people who havent played ranked for a long time has been sent to way too high for their confort zone so and people who are rusty arent able to compete with current generation of higher elo of OW scene
So they will get flamed and on some ocations recorded to shame them on youtube/tiktok
Some do deserve the shame for buying older account or MMR manipulated account
So in a sense you still use different kind of MMR manipulating
Only way Blizzard could save up ranked ladder at this point is cold hearted hard reset what no game till this point havent done
But knowing Blizzard current situstion
Never gonna happen
Worst state this game has ever been in. And I say that as someone who has been playing this game for 7 years. New characters don’t even get skins anymore. The matchmaker is literally so bad right now that the SR range is 500-1000 SR range regularly in these games. The competitive integrity of this game is gone.
If it’s a tank diff, GG. I don’t care how well you perform, you just lose because you cannot hold or capture the objective. Supports are still disgustingly broken, and that’s coming from a support main. There are only 2-3 viable DPS in the entire roster. DVA/Ram and these armor buffs have absolutely destroyed balance in this game.
Tbh for me as a tank player its even worse with dps diff in the game since I cant deal with dps on range really when they use the space their tank create while my dps stack together on one side and nothing dies......
Man, every comment section I see has one person saying "this is the worst state ever". This game has been in its worst state for almost 7 years at this point.
Overwatch doesn't have a balance issue, is everything perfectly balanced no, but nothing is so broken like goats. The game mostly has a fun problem. To many characters are fun, by denying fun. Which isn't a balance issue.
This community is so full of doomers
No no a FEW characters are fun by denying fun for the majority. Sombra and widow quite literally can hold entire games hostage. Got people shooting at ghosts. Those two in particular are absolutely fun killers. They are an actual disease in this game. Widow shouldn’t even exist. What a fundamentally ridiculous character to have. To take a single step out of spawn and respawn. Delete that bitch
@@matthewking7571 a lot of people have doomer mindset and just dont know what they are talking about or completely blinded by rage. Ive been playing for years and right now is way more fun than season 7 of ow2. right, id still kinda prefer season 11 or 10 but its pretty chill. not the best no where near the worst.
@baldfelix1841 thank you. People in this community play this game because nostalgia, almost not because they like the game now. Honestly, outside of bad teammates, and a handful of characters, I'm really enjoying the game. I don't think people realize how high quality this game really is, compared to even other shooters. It also isn't nearly as plagued with cheaters. It's even pretty balanced. Plus it's not all about crowd control and shields now
Blizzard exposed. I got hard stuck on my main at d5 this season. Swapped to an old account I haven’t used since OW1 and peaked M4 and didn’t lose a single game. Teammates were godly and I didn’t have to do anything.
100% rigged.
coaches and high rank players: "just focus on getting better and you will be in the rank your skill belongs to" ... MEAN WHILE OW2 RANK SYSTEM:
I have been saying this for years it's called engagement-based match making. I have 5 accounts for this very reason.
I'm just gonna make more accounts then, the stress is not worth it and they don't deserve microtransaction money doing loyal fans this way. Wish it could just go back to the old days where there was less predetermined Ws and lobby's felt fun.
I knew that the matchmaking in ow 2 is awful right now. Matchmaking was never perfect, but I don't think it has ever been this bad
It has never been this bad, The youtuber is speaking facts right now I realized the same thing he realized
This is a problem in a lot of competitive games. If there is a ranked system in a game there is no excuse for the matchmaking to use anything other than rank as a qualification. It's an elo system. If you matchmake using anything other than the elo, it is no longer accurate or meaningful.
Can't stop thinking about this video. Struggled my way up 4 divisions, and suddenly I'm on multiple one sided losing teams where my performance doesn't matter
Yeah i noticed the match maker gives "new players" some extremely pleasant experience on a new account to get them hooked. Absolutely disgusting.
I’m convinced these high ranked games get metal ranks players mixed in and the match maker is lying about the rank range. The quality of games is so wild. The lack of calls and brain dead play I see in some of the high ranked games is unreal.
No one plays well all the time. Someone having an off day (or being drunk or high) doesn't mean you're not high ranked
@@lukasg4807It's not just not being sharp it's just the game knowledge like reins even with the ability to stop pins ow2 charging off maps like this is bronze 5 meanwhile I'm over here popping off trying to push diamond yes sure you'll get leavers smurfs off days, but the amount of unbalanced games were ppl are clearly leagues above each other even though it's supposed to be similar ranked players is ridiculous
@@lukasg4807 We're talking about 50% or more of matches having players not com'ing and making big mistakes. If there are that many, either people are boosted or there is something else going on. So many profiles private, you would never know.
I'm sure this is true to some degree... Blizzard wouldn't have separated SR from MMR unless they wanted to mislead you about the skill of the lobby in some way, shape, or form.
High rank players are the sacrificial lambs. High rank plays just for the sake of playing/ to improve. But we serve as cannon fodder or a control variable for low rank/ paying customers to control the outcome of their games more.
Old account just doesn't come with any of the "Learning the game" stats that the original comes with... the matchmaker prolly just sees "Good performance, need to be higher" while on the main account it sees: "Good performance but I have early, worse stats to factor in as well so gotta make sure that one doesn't go to high"
*Alt account btw...
Yes, that’s true. I have several accounts, and I’ve noticed that when you have a brand new account ready for ranking, assuming they control your win rate between 50% and 75% during quick play, you will start placements in high Gold to low Diamond. If your skill score is quite high, I believe they will identify you as smurfing and match you with normal players, allowing you to climb and converge to the rank you were originally supposed to be at.
However, for older accounts, especially your original account with all your learning phases, they tend to match you with unusual players when you start a win streak. My friend and I were stuck at Platinum 1 before the first big ranking reset-I think that was Season 3? We played really hard the next season after the reset, but every time we started a win streak and got matched with Master players, we encountered throwers who would jump off the spawn point repeatedly until the match ended or leavers who would AFK during the first two minutes and then quit. Reporting these players was useless, and we kept getting pushed back to Platinum or even lower. After a few tries, we gave up and started new accounts. We began in Diamond and thought we’d finally reach Masters. Then, my friend was permanently banned without any reason during gameplay. The email said he was cheating, and I was really shocked. They don’t ban the real cheaters, even after reports, and there are still many cheaters who remain active. I’m certain my friend wasn’t cheating.
I’ve shared this story many times, but a lot of people just respond with, ‘That’s not true.’ LMAO.
I had an experience yesterday that i never had before in OW. My match history in competitive (main acc) looked exactly like this:
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
(Masters 5)
I was completely stuck the whole day. Meanwhile, im getting +40% per win on my alt account in masters 3
my theory on this matter is, that they match you on hidden mmr and many old ow1 accounts or accounts that played quickplay a lot, have a certain hidden mmr and when you play ranked, you get matched against similar people or your teammates will be trash to make up for the mmr, even tho everyone is in the same rank...
i have 2 old accounts, both with 6-15min q time in quickplay on more or less all roles (as reference how crazy boosted the mmr for that is) and the amount of blood sweat and tears i have to put in to win games on these accounts in ranked is criminal, teammates very dogwater and the players in the enemy team... all the god like players you can find in diamond/masters... they are there, silver-diamond border players that actually know how to play the game....
also has anyone noticed, when you play on newer ow2 accounts you will also play against newer accounts and have them on your team (no title, not much stuff to see on the account.. etc) but when you play on aged/seasoned accounts you will find many players again and again that you maybe have known for a long time
also im convinced, blizzard analyses every bit of your playstyle while playing and the matchmaker does its best to give you "eomm", just to mess with your psyche (i mean they also do it in cod.. so why not in overwatch as well? sounds like a blizzard thing to do)
i would also not be surprised if it tracks your behavior, how many games you left, how often you get reported and matches you on that as well.
all that to avoid putting 10 random players of the same shown rank in one lobby and let the better ones climb
I've also noticed that for me personally i get low master to even top 500 against me in QP but in ranked i average diamond cause i just didn't find it as enjoyable but with how QP has been for me recently I've had to start playing ranked just to have some even games. (have 500 hours from OW1 and maybe 150 hours from OW2)
this part "also has anyone noticed, when you play on newer ow2 accounts you will also play against newer accounts and have them on your team (no title, not much stuff to see on the account.. etc) but when you play on aged/seasoned accounts you will find many players again and again that you maybe have known for a long time" is just speculation and bias, its wrong basically
fresh account i made insane qp mmr because im a good player first game in ranked entire lobby is full of players i know from my main account pro players ow1 players everything i started gm5 this was like 2 weeks ago.
qp mmr only affects your first ranked placement and nothing else, this is how it works in literally every game. yes that means if you dont play qp and only play ranked your qp will be a lot lower or other way around.
I'm a player that has played tons of Qp and my theory is this. The game has it's own baseline Mmr system that then triggers conditional calculation depending on some extra factors.
What i mean by that is that the game knows that your overall performance has been lets say, 4000 mmr, all accross the board.
If you play qp it will then match you with very wide spectrum of players. Bcs the average is lot lower than 4000 mmr, it internally assigns you as the carry of your team and can place you with golds. On the other team it's similar case, but bcs it's very lenient it might end up matching 4 masters and 1 gm vs 1 gm, 2 gold, 1 plat and 1 master. I've had games against top500 players few times with very low rank teammates
as for ranked it works similar, but it's stricter and more narrow.
However, sometimes your baseline mmr can complicate things because it lets one mode influence the other. In those cases you end getting very weird matches. Generally the less you play and less modes you play, the more scarce the data it works with and the more extreme the system's view of you is
There also seems to be priorities when the system makes mathmaking and placement decision. It goes kinda like this:
1.Don't disappoint players with low playtime, make it feel good for them
2.don't let very strong players stay in low ranks
3.find good matches for new low players
4.find good matches for new mid-high players
5.if you can't find matches, take one high elo player and place them with lower elo teammates vs. Full Mid elo enemy team
6. Find good matches for old active accounts
It'd take way too long to explain how i got to this conclusion, but just think about new account always seem to have it smoother, how unranked to GM end up in masters right after placenent 90% of the cases. How it's way more likely to get outmatched by whole team rather than have only 1 sticking out (when that 1 appears it's always smurf that's still in placement), how there's very bad players with high rank who have like 90h in the game, how it's much more likely to get stuck back to a rank you've been at some point etc.
And you think about it, all these priorities start to make sense, from Bizzard's POV: the top is the players that need to be babysitted the most and spoiled so they stick around, and the bottom is players expected to stay and put up with shit bcs that's what they've been doing for years
@@yoyo-van how qp mmr alone does 100% work each role has a specified rank and it is 100% identical to competitive if you are actually curious do some research you will find out more.
The reason why you feel like it might place you as the carry is because they added a system (a very good system at that but mostly good for competitive not qp) in which enemies will always have one player around your skill level, if I’m gm mmr tank I will always face another gm mmr tank but since qp is so lenient in match making and also qp mmr is much more subjective for skill level you can get unfair games. Recently I was queuing on a gm mmr tank with a bunch of like silver players and one new player if I was on tank we got stomped every game because it raises the average rank by a ton if I was on dps it’s a lot easier and we always won.
If I were to soloq on one of those accounts usually is the same experience but more balanced since I have higher ranked teams, I’d always be the carry because my mmr is the highest and usually the enemy would he high mmr too to match me. It’s often how high ranked qp mmr works.
Qp match making is shit for winning in every game it is and that’s ok the goal of it is not to give favorable matches the goal is to make people have fun and balance of games is just one of many variables they look at.
Though the mmr is identical to competitive the match maker is not
I just found your videos and I have to say it's so refreshing hearing someone share the same sentiments as me. There's such a huge skill disparity in all my matches, I constantly get players that walk in 1v5, everyone's shooting a different enemy, or chase a player before capturing the point, meanwhile the other teams are hyper coordinated. It's such an infuriating experience that's constantly dismissed by people as skill issues.
I placed D5 on an alt acc... my main is de-ranking and I'm almost silver again
BRO IM SO GLAD YOU SPOKE ON THIS i’ve been a t500 console player the past few seasons but this season my main has literally been hardstuck masters 3 and my alt account i kid you not is champ 4 i have a 80% win rate and im close to finishing my 50 games i will literally be top 10 but hardstuck masters i dont get it
I was a 4.3k support player in OW1 and consistently T500 in OW2. This season specifically, I'm stuck in Masters 5 with a 40% winrate...
Me too lol literally me exactly I was t 500 last season now I’m hard stuck m5 lol
I would give a kidney to be stuck in masters 5. My guy what a dream. Please I want your problems. Give me your burdens. If there is a god one day I can be “stuck” in masters 5
everyone has good and bad seasons, i peaked gm3 rank 71 this season. the meta doesnt support every player, sometimes you just get unlucky even if you deserve higher, usually you will always gain your rank back, at the start of this season my account was m3 20% and my dps was higher rank than my sup i dont even play dps.
@@kylerholcomb229 trust me everyone is trying to improve and getting stuck even at m5 SUCKS im stuck in m4 and i hate it all u can do is try ur best even if it means making a new acc
when they added the expected and consultation that was them admitting the game has always been rigged. They know fi they're gonna give you that one guy who refuses to swap or the guy whose boosted. they know if you are gonna lose a match based on who they give u or if they decide to pair you against ppl way out of ur skill range even by 5 divisions
No it's not. Spilo made a video clearly explaining this, what you said is a massive misconception
it’s probably like that to keep older accounts playing the game whilst the newer accounts have an easier chance and are more inclined to play the game
Maybe there's a hidden endorsment level elo or something.
Then why do I get placed with people that have lvl 2-3 endorsement when I'm 5?
@@FIAFTIDF couldnt tell you
Iam a plat player. my whole OW life i am in Plat 1-2. Sometimes i go to diamon.I dont play a lot and that's totally ok. But i could show you losing streaks and winning streaks far from the normal. And thats the reason why i stopped playing ranked, there is nothing in between and that whats feels so bad
im same as you, plat most of playtime and hit diamond few times.
i just deleted the game, cuz most matches are boring, you need to play
tens matches to catch an intresting close 50/50 game that give you
different emotions and intention to play again even if you lose.
most of matches are not close and one team destroy another. i dont
get any good emotions if i win in it, i feel bad for loser team, and i feel
only annoyance and intention to hit alt+f4 and delete the game if i lose
Strikes are cool and all but wait until you hit a good STREAK. Man those win STREAKS are grrreat 🐯
@GREED_EU They deleted your Thread on the forums. The one where you posted you video and we all where having a convo about this. Did you delete it or did “they”
I had the exact same experience recently. The having amazing teammates on a new acc is too real
Comp has been made to cater to smurfs and t500 players who stream their unranked to GM. That twitch advertising is how they keep most of their players. Casuals and Overwatch fans watch a t500 do their 100th unranked to t500 on their 100th smurf account; they then get the urge to log on and play themselves.
I'm tired of matchmaking and the Overwatch community.
I use as example what Riot's own match making system makes you go through
If you have over 60% wr, it will give player to your team who have most likely loss streak because you are so good
And you will face enemy who will most likely play champions that counter most of your picks
This system was implemented at s7 and it was discovered how this worked fully at s8
Overwatch's system reminds me of League's system that forces you towards 50% wr because it measn you will grind more thus pushing play time
So when ever game devs talk about match making systems and stuff
it will be good and bad thing at the same time
MMR can be manipulated but in everygame it has to be done very moment you create account, regardless of game, be it Dota2, League, Overwatch etc.
Most match making systems follow this core philosophy because it has been proven to work 90% of games casual player base
For casuals, this is amazing thing because it will put you in more balanced games but to hard core gamers towards less than 5% of the peaks, it will be a hell at times
Edit: So if your teammates feel better to play with newer account, its not science to figure out that you have manipulated to artificially push mmr high as possible so system tries to push you "where you belong", this is core idea what MMR elo boosters do and sell many boosted accounts be it league or overwatch, and yes, it is sad as it sounds
So saying your match making system is rigged is like saying water is wet and sky is blue for gamers who have played MMR match making games over 12 years
Edit: those who say games are not rigged are casual players, they have never actually reached games peak player base to actually feel the impact of the match making system
So of course they will say games is not rigged but in reality it works as intended, casuals just dont know they are being pushed to play like this years and years
This is actually something that happens in a lot of competitive games that have a system to prevent smurfs. I believe the reason why that may be the case is because the system tries to put you in a lobby with players of similar stats, but because the win rate of your account is lower even if stats like your KDA is good it still has to put you with people of similar win rate.
That would also explain why on newer accounts as you win more you get put in lobbies with people who win more as well, so you end up having consistently decent teammates, whereas on your top500btw because your winrate isnt as high you get consistently poor teammates.
It would also explain why older accounts get hardstuck, as they keep their winrate from previous seasons, and as you get more and more trolls and the win rate lowers, you end up getting EVEN MORE trolls and the win rate gets even worse, resulting in consitantly bad teammates and the feeling of the system being rigged.
@@jug-eun wrong
I have an account that skyrocketed to m2 (all the games were piss easy) and I have another account that has been hardstuck low masters for about 3 seasons now. I've regularly been mid to high gm and I peaked top 150. The game makes no sense. My accounts have been all over the place ever since the champ rank was introduced to the game. Masters lobbies always feel like a mix of plat players and ex grandmaster players. Most of the most frustrating games of Overwatch I've ever played have been in low masters (post season 8). There's no excuse for a masters player to have a 500 ms reaction time and make the most mind numbingly stupid plays you've ever seen. Some of these masters supports literally suzu dead bodies. It's clear that the game doesn't know how to assess player skill.
yea the masters players since s9 play like legit ow1 golds alot of the times, its so boring when my dps and supports are all negative lol
Because if you was Flats or Samito you would get prioritized, It's a bit like how cod has whitelists, If your a top level ''Comp'' streamer suddenly doors will open and you will rank like crazy.
I wanna dismiss crazy shit like this, but then Activision will get caught with its pants down admitting that they know about every big name streamer thats using walls/aimbot but refuse to ban them until they're exposed to the public.
THANK YOU, I was doing my placement matches and I was 1 win away from Plat and then all of a sudden my teammates were genuinely shit (feeding, staggering, bad one-tricks) and I'm on a continuously downfall
honestly no clue whats going through these guys heads, a matchmaker needs to be simple in principle the fact they are adding anything beyond "number go up number go down" basically dooms them into opening pandoras box of over engineering, gg sub 100iq devs you win this time ig?
You realize most mmr systems use these kinda modifiers? Right? It's literally a common function. Like what
@matthewking7571 but is it necessary? I don't think so. I would say that the OP is right on this one, if you for whatever reason manipulate the matchmaking it no longer is competitive. Pure and simple. Prevent cheaters from ruining the experience and leave ranking up and down to peoples skill. I would love to be able to actually play on my main and get people of my skill and competency level in my matches.
@@masloking12 you literally didn't talk about anything I said. Almost every ranked mode, in any game, has modifiers. Point blank and simple. So no he's not
@@matthewking7571 blud modifiers are fine if they are simple too, you open up too many possibilities with these bum ass mmr systems where we have genuinely no fucking clue what's going on, and i guarantee nor do the devs. In your head ur thinking oh it's prob just some small modifier like +10% here -10% there, i guarantee you that is not the fucken case and if u play any of these comp games long enough u just know it because the behaviour is not controllable
@keg7991 they aren't really that confusing at all, they are pretty simple. Streaks affect it, uncertainty affects it, and expected results affect it. Those are the 3 major modifiers, if not the only. The point of a ranked system is to find the most competitively balanced environment for you, for how often you win or lose. They aren't that complicated at all, and many mmr systems use modifiers. So I don't understand what so complicated, or even rigged about it
This was a real damn EYE OPENER with the v practical experiment, banger vid
I made 3 accounts and placed D5 dps/heals on 2 accounts, the other account i was placed in silver with my team mates constantly having negative K/D and it seems like i'm always forced to carry. matchmaking is always making it 50% win rate with a constant win 1 game lose 1 game cycle
I started to realize that every game I won, I was completely useless because my teammates were actual gods and the enemy were a bunch of brainlets. Every game I lost, I held my own, but my teammates were the brainlets and the enemy team were gods. It's not a fair fight and I'm tired of blaming myself.
I can't get better if the enemy team is steamrolling us.
I can't get better if my team is doing the steamrolling while I freeload.
That's the same scenarios as mine. l am seriously thinking of deleting the game from my life.
l am not playing rank but constantly losing one sided games despite giving a good performance on QP,arcade or Ranked is beyond insanity.
Even Applies to LOL too, they all use the system. All of them have patterns that you feel while playing games.
These scenarios above are the patterns you and I feel. It's not random and certainly not natural.
So l am asking you, should l delete this? Just an opinion l want
@@deadspace4755 if you are a solo q person, i would delete it. if you play with friends, keep it. im in that predicament too but only thing holding me back from quitting are my friends who still play.
@@kirk- Even with "friends" it is still not enough. Most people just play with you with no real communication.
As for real friends, sooner or later, we will all acknowledge how bad this is. It's not about overwatch but it is about the system and how it uses us as products.
Whenever l play a game, l always feel like there is a pattern.
I think about it and see how it goes.
One thing for sure, whenever l play it, even if l play relaxed; lot of wasted time has passed and l got tired. l feel exhaustion, that's not good from a game. Not including over spent time playing over 4 hours, l mean in general
Just had a losing-, winning-, losing-, winning streak
They let anyone into gold nowadays, carried 4 games straight and lost all because of either a tank or dps not wanting to play with the team or refusing to swap off.
My new alt account got gm4 w doom with 68%win rate
My main that's gm3 when I played on it last season 7, is lit stuck at dia 1 / m 5 with a 52% w rate i thought I was losing it
The matchmaking is awful, even with 2-3 BRAND NEW friends, it matches me with only my skill level forcing us to lose game after game. I’m forced to leave just for them to have fun. You’d think after 8 losses the game would change something…
playing ranked on my main acc is just miserable perma stuck in low masters when i have alts in gm after placements
im starting to believe the "blizzard is forcing a 50/50 winrate!" crowd because i am a diamond dps player and on my gold alt account im trying to get decent at tracer and i was literally 11-3 and then immediately went on a huge loss streak to where i am now 13-12 with 2 of the losses being from a tank player that just 1v4ed the enemy team constantly, 1 loss from a tank player just refusing to ever play aggressive at all, and 2 losses from the tank player just straight up leaving the game after losing one fight. the system is fucking RIGGED it doesnt even feel like i deserve a win or loss anymore it just feels like it was either my turn to win or my turn to lose
I always was told “You are were you outta be” by many folks when it comes to comp Overwatch. This video makes me thank perhaps my 7 year old OW account is now rigged to forever be in low plat. It’s hard to actually learn and get better when ever game you get is a complete stomp with dumbass teammates. It’s like a dopamine rush, always stopping you from leaving by forcing you to think it’s your problem and not the games and that YOU need to get better and not the game’s shit ass matchmaking system
Mfs will still just say you’re bad instead of just admitting the ranked system in this game is horribly flawed and easily gained if you know what you’re doing
Blizzard Meat Munchers will say “the system is flawless and you just got lucky winning 95% of your games on an alt😂” awhile back I did a similar thing to what you did Greed, in like season 7 or 8 I made an alt acc and finished masters 5. By the end of that play session, solo Q btw, I was masters 2 on console which was top 200. My main account was stuck in high plat to low dmd. My friends all essentially did the same thing and we found all of us had much better experiences on new accounts with no data for the algorithm to abuse vs our mains who had like 1,000 games. IMO I feel like the devs have an algorithm that determines what rank you should be and will at all cost keep you there. My main acc hovers around plat1 to dmd 4-3, my ult hovers around masters 1 to GM5 😂. This is antidotal but, like a week ago I played a game on Kings Row as Rein. I finished that game with 27k dmg with 77 Elims. Here’s the kicker, I only died 3 times. My dps on the other hand had both had 5k and 7k dmg with Elims into the 20’s with death also into the 20’s. The stats were so mind boggling the other team said that I didn’t deserve to be down here and I agreed with them 😂. In that one game I had more Elims and damage than my other 4 teammates combined along with a fraction of there deaths ON REIN 😂. I swear once when the game “feels” you should be somewhere it will do whatever it can to keep you there. Every now and then it will let you go on like a 10 ish game win streak to allow you to feel like you are making progress just to then make you lose 10 games in a row and put yo back in square 1. It’s why I loved playing this game the first few seasons I’ve played, but after season 7-8 range I’ve just given up. It’s pointless to try so hard to win just to have the game force you to lose.
its so funny my main has like 50 wr everywhere then i swap to my alt win every game and have a 75 wr and im higher rank and my teamates are not bad cant say that from my main its like im supposed to hard carry every game
Yup, and everyone else in the comments confirm with their experiences too. And it isn't just high ranks either. I'm a low rank player, no shame in it, but was simultaneously hard stuck bronze in one account, high gold in the other for several seasons. The system decides where it wants an account and puts it there.
This has been the way it's been for a lot of OW2 and it only gets worse as they try to hide matchmaking problems.
I've done so much testing around this (pre-season 9) and it was extremely awful back then, smurfs ranked so much higher than anything else with a fifteenth of the effort (got gm3 after placements on one account [while my main had peaked GM4 at the time] and it took close to 300 games to hit GM off a bronze 4 account).
However since you get so much less SR for winning/losing now I'd imagine it's just so much worse than how it used to be, I wouldn't really know. I quit playing this game like a month ago (except with friends) and have been enjoying life so much more since. Hope they sit down and fix this eventually instead of adding more stupid stuff like these corny red nametag thingies they just added.
This is known. Why i dont play anymore your skill time and effort has no impact.
You know you exposed something else. Like how you get more coordination with teammates on the new account over your main account and I was just recommended this vid and saw the difference after a few minutes 💀
"Have you considered that you are the only factor in all of your games?" Overwatch reddit trying to cope with the fact that their parents don't love them.
Historically it's always been easier to get a fresh account to a higher rank than what you have on an OG account. Part of this, is that newer accounts are often grouped up with some more experienced accounts, and it somewhat boosts the newer account. The problem is, when the new players is actually new, and a bit boosted, they are the "bad teammates" you end up with on an experienced account, and like in your case, where you are already a good player, you're most likely being put with other experienced players, but you're not holding them back, because you're not actually new and somewhat boosted. This along with randomness and low priority queues (which I'm almost 100% sure they due based on account reports for "toxic behavior" ie telling your 5-17 tracer to switch) you end up with trash teammates more often than not.
So yeah, it does seem to be a bit rigged. Also the placements seem all over the place in general. I did tank placements after the reset, played out of my freaking head, diffing the enemy tank, out dpsing the dps, and placed gold 3.... Did my support placements, only played Zen, and just basically existed, lost every single game, and placed plat 4. Make it make sense.
When I was back in season 5-6 of competitive in Overwatch 1 I reached my max of Diamond 3-2 if I remember correctly, I want to try it out on my main and see where I end up, and a new account and see if I get higher, but on the other hand I feel that I have better stuff to do with my time than visit the cashgrab that is Overwatch 2, they lost me already when they were pairing me with braindead teammates during OW1 and now they removed lootboxes to boot with it.
A few years ago I went from mid plat to high diamond in a day. I played about 20 games and lost 2. The games were INSANELY easy. Then I guess the rank system overlord realized what happened because I then proceeded to lose EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. until I fell to high gold. They were unwinnable! Also, let get real the way matchmaking goes it you win one or two easily and then lose one or two by a landslide with the occasional high quality match where everyone is doing good. There’s def something weird with the matchmaker
all im sayin is ive been outhealing my ana/juno as jq losing the game goin 30-2 and my supports will either actively throw or jus everyone blames me its an unreal experience
edit: i dont think im the best tank but ive consistenly had a sombra or tracer all game or both dying once a minute for 20 minutes straight, recently had a tank dps have a combined 31 deaths at 15 minutes into the game, unreal.
As someone who has played since 2016 and experienced the exact same thing, I believe it has to do with blizz rigging the system to get new accounts to "enjoy the game" and buy cosmetics. Whereas our 8 year old accounts have all the skins and will most likely not provide any profit so it places us in less winning games.
I have created alt accounts and the same thing happens.
I also believe they keep players of certain skill levels at specific ranks to keep que times lower across the board.
ur hidden mmr is too high, makes the matchmaker give you boosted teammates with lower hidden mmr
Ranked matches shouldn’t be about mmr, only about what rank you are 😔
@@h2woah127the problem with that is smurfs camping low ranks never climbing on purpose it's harder to do that with current system
@@b23beatz yall really gonna keep putting the blame on smurfs vs the matchmaking just being straight up broken regardless ?
i think a hugely overlooked element to this is the talking shit part. i would not be surprised to find they are intentionally matching more 'toxic' players differently compared to positive or silent accounts. completely unrelated to endorsement just purely on text and voicechat activity. i was watching this half paying attention at the end but i had such a whiplash moment at 9:22 because its exactly the same for me
I thought I was tripping lol, I’ve gone from top 500 last season and now I’m hard stuck masters because of the matchmaking lol
I’m hard stuck masters 5 lol
Also I get constant 6 minute q’s in m5
My favorite Rank 1 Master's player.
Conspiracy theorey time!!!
I have this weird gut feeling that the reason for the games being rigged, is the matchmaker putting teams together based on some hidden reputation system. The more you get avoided and reported, the more likely you get grouped with players who also get avoided/reported. Which results in you having those really awful teams. And maybe the matchmaker puts you also against teams that have good "reputation". It would actually make so much sense because in their head that would be a nice punishment for toxic team mates. And it would explain why your new account felt so good because you didnt get reported/avoided yet.
I really hope I am wrong with my conspiracy but i struggle to see what else it could be...
Now that Drive is going on, it's more frustrating when you're at higher check points
Matchmaking has a value that represents your skill (MMR), and a value that represents how correct it believes the MMR to be (certainty). The lower the certainty, the higher the swings in MMR are, and vice versa.
I assume Overwatch matches based entirely on MMR, not the visual ranks (or if visual is taken into account it's only a soft constraint like within x tiers.) So you have an old account that's in low Masters. This is going to be high certainty because you're probably at 50% win rate. Essentially that's just what that bracket of players is, so you're going to get them constantly.
Compare that to a new account, the game has no certainty of the MMR, so it's going to start you at some baseline and wildly swing you up or down based on wins/losses. You win 8/10 games, and kept winning all the way through to GM. The game quickly put the new account's MMR higher than your old one, and you're getting players who are at least GM, likely far earlier than you would expect. This is why masters was so different, you're not actually matching masters players on that account. You skipped past them and are playing with higher tier players. There's also possibly a bonus applied to accelerate a new account as a countermeasure for smurfing, making this even more pronounced.
I don't have a solution for it, but that's more or less why it's happening unless I forgot something.
I thought I was crazy for telling friends that the people I played against in low masters were insane. They would say I’m just shit but when I would go onto my alt account that is only a month old I would feel like I’m in low diamond when in actuality the account was placed Masters 1. Its stupid because I want to rank up my main account that I have had for 6 years but its almost impossible.
conan aint gettin conned
i have the same experience last season i ended gm3 on dps going 16-1 and currently gm5 on dps with a 70 sum win rate on my most played hero but if i try to duo with my friend whos hard stuck diamond we lose back to back to back for context i peaked 4.6k on tank (rank 1) and im very consistently top 250 when i play on dps (my current main role) yet the account i play on with my friend dropped from d1 to d3 on dps without me throwing or doing a bit of trolling and im not even going to lie its extremely tilting.
im hardstuck low plat on my main but im mid/low diamond on my alt, sometimes the matchmaker is kinda shit on my alt but im comp banned on my main (dodging anubis) so i can't experiment further
MMR has destroyed the matchmaking is what I've been convinced of for a long time. Main accounts are seriously forced into a set range of ranks, and it's tremendously hard to move those.
The game doesn't assume that a new player is already good at the game, so it will give you better teammates than it should when trying to balance the lobby. An old account that has done well consistently won't be put on a team with the best players in the lobby. It takes a while for an account to build up enough stats to be considered reliable data, so even though the game seems to be boosting you, it's really just assuming you're not good. That's why you get better teammates and more of a reward per win. It's predicting that you will lose.
same here. My main acc which is like 7 years old, is stuck in plat and 4/5 games I play are lost because people I have in my team play like bronze 5 players or newcomers and overwatch is a game where you just can't solo carry because of heals and abilities like shields, suzus etc. When I made a sec acc I got to masters and with like 85-90% wr I got to gm5 and on that acc most of the times I was getting really good teammates and not ppl who are barely moving and shittalking tank for not playing shield. At this point I totally lost all of my motivation to play this game
Edit: also I want to add that Overwatch is the only game where I feel that I can't rank up only because of my teammates and not because of me. In other games like R6, Rocket League when I can't rank up, it's because I know that i'm underperforming and I need to improve. So it says all about ow ranking system and how good it is and how legit your rank is
I’ve met so many smurfs in Plat to Diamond with 20 to 50 hours average in the game overall. I’ve talked to these Masters losers who got ego boosted and kept admitting they got banned (Gee I wonder why…) It’s absurd, I get to fight or play with people with hundreds or even thousands of hours more than me and I’m still better than them. But it doesn’t matter, I just lose.
bro does one experiment and thinks he knows everything
Greed is a qubit with the amount of different ranks he is
Same bs for me. On my main account im a plat 4 with a lose streak of 15 games or so (dps, tracer main), but on my alt im gm5 lmao.
Overwatch’s “hidden pool” is so blatant
I have had so many games where the match makeing is terrible my somehow allegedly top 500 team mate is afk and 3-8
nah but i let my gm ex-pro contenders support player friend play on my account for a while and he had a mental breakdown getting out of masters.
I thought it was just been, feeling like death every game of tank with brain dead dps that are litetally throwing.
I genuinely hate to be that Genji main that complains about teammates. I don't even ask for healing in game to avoid the stereotype lol. But legitimately, I swear to god, it is not my fault I'm hard stuck at Plat 4. The skill based matchmaking just straight up forces me to lose with my teammates. Bro, the match range will be insane too, like Silver to Diamond, and I swear it feels like all the silver is somehow on my team. I try my hardest to peel for my supports, I'll save deflect just to bail teammates out of situations, but no matter what I do every other game, my team is getting slaughtered.
im glad this video exists, i thought i was going insane
I notice this even on my only 2 accounts I have. Once stuck D5 and the new one I made for testing purposes, I peaked M1 before just stopping. Not only that, but I wouldn't be surprised if different accounts get pooled with certain people only because I never see the same names between the 2 accounts but I see the same people everyday within the accounts themselves
my main has been hardstuck masters 2/1 on support this whole season while i’ve had 3 accounts in gm2.. the matchmaking is horrific
The matchmaking is so shit I lose games smurfing in gold sometimes
as a tank with the little impact the role can have with enough counter picking and 0 help from your team yeah.
@@SuperStarkiller999tank is still busted. If you're losing gold games on tank it's on you ngl
The game is so toxic by default based on the matches they are rigging together. They literally are creating a toxic environment with such shit matchmaking. It’s maddening. On top of that people will second guess their actual skill because of such discrepancies in the matchmaking. Doing really good then having zero control over an outcome is not proper matchmaking. It’s match-rigging. It’s artificial and it makes their game a complete joke.
Only one way to find out, looks like its time to make some more alt accounts and test this properly
When did you make these accounts,are they both ow1 or 2 and did you ever play console on these accounts? jus curious to compare with my own data
EDIT: also, this is exactly what I was talkin about a few videos ago and got constantly shit on for it
The account I played on was made a couple season ago but it had only ever been placed on DPS, and probably has less than 40 hours on it
@@GREED_EU Yeah, that's what I thought. With my two accounts it's the same deal except I made the mistake of merging my ow1 account with my ow2 account on the switch. I think that's why that account is cursed. First 5 seasons of comp I got banned for disconnecting too many times an I don't think it's ever recovered. Now I get nothing but bots
off topic question, is aim training in kovaaks worth it for tracer?
Yes
bro your videos are consistently high quality and entertaining. good job
For real? All he does is complain in every video. Copy/paste content.
@@dawsondegraaf8143 considering the state of ow 2 he's being kind.
I who is normally a Masters play is hardstuck in GOLD! I'm playing GREAT in my matches but it's never enough. I hate saying its my teammates fault because it just reinforces the OW stereotype of "It's everyone else's fault but my own" but when I get a fresh Doomfist OTP who is 6-14 saying XD every time he dies or a Bap that has 10+ deaths I want to just die inside. This game really hates it's veteran players.
So you're telling me, id be gm if i played on a new account?
Thanks for taking time to post this evidence that the matchmaking is rigged or at the very least BROKEN. People have been screaming about this on the forums for years, winning matches with ease on an account that is 1500SR higher and then on a loss streak on the lower account. I've experienced it myself, so have the other content creators they just don't walk to talk about it because they're afraid of getting made fun of or some other lame reason. It's not debatable, the matchmaker is either rigged or completely broken. All the other content creators should start saying the same thing and releasing videos proving it until they stop whatever it is they're doing.
This same thing has happened to me with 2-3 accounts. Main account is hardstuck low Masters, but I have zero issue climbing alts to GM.
I theorize that these are bs retention elements that is in play and fking over accounts.
Long-time players are more likely to grind out consistent-usage accounts, so they force us into winrates (close to 50%) that force us to keep playing, but their algorithm is over-adjusted.
Accounts that are new, have less play-time or have less consistent logged time are matched with "winning" players, because they want to retain those players, and so gift them wins. Somehow I feel like "calibration multipliers" last longer on newer accounts than older ones... I should pay more attention to that stupid bar. I guess their anti-smurf stuff could play a part too.
End of the day, MM is totally fked, and needs to be fixed. And there definitely has to be more transparency with how it works. Info we get in game is nice, but I'd love to see what kind of algorithms they use.
I wonder if the match maker puts new smurf accounts together so that they stomp their way to their proper rank faster so that they ruin less games while they climb because they're all in a group and the games will be over quicker. Maybe that's only for new accounts though. I don't know if I'm right about that, but it would explain the situation.
My theory is that, your MMR and Rank on your Top500 got really out of sync. We know that Rank and MMR are kind of separate, Rank is what's displayed to you, and MMR is your "invisible rank, or ranks" that the matchmaker uses to pick your team. Quick play, as an example only has MMR, and no ranks.
Now, normally those two should be in sync, but given that MMR is legacy Blizzard black magic, that works completely separately from the visible rank, it's possible that your Rank fell to Masters, while your MMR is waaay higher then anyone in Masters. So the matchmaker pick the literal wort teammates that it can find in masters, to "even out" the score.