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- Everyone's favorite go player is tearing it up lately and this time we get to see him play vs a hardcore territorial player!
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Shibano Toramaru: *attacks*
Maeda Ryoji: Ight imma head out
Hi, resident DDK4LIFE. I actually saw the move at T11, however I didn't realize *why* it worked until you played out the variations. I think I might have played that move EVEN without the R15 security... and failed that way. Which I guess is ironic?
Love the Shibano games. Keep them coming. He plays like I wish I knew how to.
BIG Congratulations to Shibano Toramaru today!!!!! He's the youngest Major Champion in Japanese History!!!!!
Shibano 19 years and 11 months old -- beat out Iyama Yuta's record which had been 20 years and 4 months old when he won his first title in 2009.
Shibby Cakes beat Cho U 4-1 in the Mejin title match to win his first major !!!!!!
He turns 20 next month, so I guess he wanted a birthday present early ????
WAY TO GO SHIBBY CAKES!!!! WE LOVE YOU!~!!!!
Amazingly, the game is contained in AlphaGo Teach's database up to move 15. After black G17, the only move it offers is white C6, which has white's winrate at 57 % - in other words, absolutely even. Here is how that variation would continue to play out: online-go.com/demo/view/420360
30:45 five stones ... and counting :) - great game and dito analysis!
"White extends the doomed stone inorder to get better shape"
Proceed to play an empty triangle.
Compare it to playing C15 right away and it definitely is better shape BOTH for living shape and endgame purposes
Hi, Dwyrin! I'm watching all of your videos for some time, and have to say - that one have changed COMPLETELY my opinion on your on board reviews - it is nice and clean- themed well, structured, interesting, and is underlining your way of thoughts and play too. I'm glad that you've made it, thank you a lot!
I would love to see some more deep thoughts on how to decide on when to attack for profit, what shapes could and what could not be cut, and when to stop attacking. You have covered this theme throughout the video, but I have not undestood, for example - till the end of a game - I had a hanging question - what if W saves the two stones on G15, than B goes D7, but can not white falsify this eye? Like E8 move.. That would've been interesting to go through, especially after W got some stones around on B6 and F3 - isn't this group dead? (supposedly there is no ko for the bottom part of W, ofc.)
Could you share a database of similar games if you have such?) Really enjoyed how Shibano played
This "defending" style is rather popular with some pros. Ignore an attacking move to take a larger point, then defend. If the attack can't compensate for the value difference, you are ahead. And judging how much the attack will be worth - that's part of the game. That's a valid strategy, don't be too harsh on players who do that :)
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Lol the dude “themazerie” in chat was kinda bugging me all game not gonna lie
Yeah he was bothering me as well with his inane comments but that is life.
@@seventus obnoxious for sure
Like Nick Sibicky's "John".
GreenAsJade lmao these two should fight
Very good Video! Thanks. Please, do more game reviews on real board!
dwyrin i just thought about something, you always say:
but order matters
could you explain why at some point? maybe in the future?
Proceed with the AI Leela 0.11.0 version and the 100th dimensioning with five points.
Please look at it and give us compliments and encouragement.
Was there no better move than connecting at h13? Like extending on either side. That running group ruined blacks game
I put it into Leela, I guess connecting is preferred there, and black's real mistake was earlier at P16 which only encouraged white to go up into the center and profit off blacks center group. Q17 is has better chances.
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Better shape than sorry?
day9 is watching monkaS
Yeah, hope he finishes the video. This game was awesome!
He just got his first title as Meiji and dominated the games so bad!!!
I don't know about "dominated", the AI suggested Cho U had many chances, he always did something weird around the end of mid game.
Is 8p 8-dan pro?
7dan pro vs 8dan pro. However shibano is now a 9dan pro so i guess that would technically be more accurate now...
@@dwyrin He seems to be like a new rising star. Very refreshing to watch.
I want a shibbycake for christmas.
Shibano is successful only because his opponents are not Alpha Go. We consistently see the same problems with human players (even the top Professionals) struggling with the A.I. style of play. They try to mimic it, but simply do not have the raw processing power it takes to really overcome whole-board influence. There's also the "runaway train" effect: one small mistake in the beginning escalates to complete disaster by end-game.
You can change that to say 'insert player name here' is only successful because his/her opponents are not alpha go. So.....there's that
@@dwyrin Basically pretty much, indeed.
This is why I'm against going all the way into Computer or Alpha-go style. It's ok for situational use , like everyone's least favorite joseki of 3-3 attachment out of a low approach. However, taking larger plans into view, the computer just sees way more variations than a human can, so it's not a good idea to take mid-game or severe fighting sequences and just plug them into your game.
I think the Gold standard for mixing the human solid style with AI moves and joseki suggestions may be Park Junghwan. That guy scares me.... He even beats Shin Jinseo ---- all the time!