What "make" are the wooden grips on the stock?? I like them, wish I could get a set for a Ruger Security Six 1983 model. You know, for a time, I did not like 5 or 7 shot cylinders, to me for a long time a hand gun was supposed to be a Sis-Shooter for some reason I cannot explain. But I got a 686+ a few years ago, and I got over it. I really like this model you have HERE. Really nice looking revolver. Thanks, BB
David..you are aman on a mission..lol..I have 5 "L" frames. Love these revolvers..681 no dash 686-4 in 4 in. 586 4 in. Nickel, and 2 586 6 in Guns one being ano dash and the other -8. Love them! Nice pic bro.
I have a 686-6+ i picked up from a pawn shop for $580. I know it has mim parts and a lock. I tell you it goes bang every time you pull the trigger. Its a very accurate gun. Never had it lock up on its own even under rapid fire with 158gr. magnum loads. Great video's bro, keep them coming.
The mim revolvers are designed better. Firing pin on the hammer led to more failures than the lock ever will, and it is an issue no more. If the lock was as bad as you hear people claim, it wouldn't be there anymore. Been on the things for 20 years. Smith would be up their ass with lawsuits from revolvers failing to fire in defensive situations by survivors and family of deceased now if the claims were valid. Don't worry about them.
@@82luft49 I apologize in advance since this got more ranty than I expected, but think about it. Kimber started putting their spin on external extractors on some of their 1911 models. They didn't work right and led to malfunctions. Guess what happened: they were removed, fast. Sig Sauer's p365 wasn't drop safe and they received complaints. Guess what happened: instant recall and design change moving forward. Smith would do the same if their changes made the firearms truly less reliable, and I know this for certain because they already have. Hell using the 686 (introduced in the 1980s) as an example, it had regular design updates since it's inception every few years, it even had an initial recall. These changes are indicated by the -#, meaning it's been through no fewer than 6 design revisions since its creation. Changes were made until the 686-6 model (-7 is a specialty model), which has remained in constant production since 2003. Smith knows exactly what they are doing and not everything is an attempt to cut cost at the expense of the customer. This is why custom ordered guns can be finicky out of the box and sometimes require break in times. You can still pay an inflated amount for a custom hand fitted non mim gun and such, but that means the tooling could be less consistent, occasionally leading to malfunctions despite the slight increase in strength of the materials. Form leads to function, and sacrificing an insignificant amount of hardness for parts where their function is not to bear stress but to move in unison is ultimately going to produce more reliability if it means they are formed properly every time. I'm not knocking people that buy or have those kind of firearms at all as a gun with forged steel parts smithed to the same standards that mim stuff is shaped to is the ideal (the companies that make them have earned their acclaim), but those are expensive and rare guns meant for enthusiasts, collectors, or shooting competitors. Find me a profession where firearms are regularly used and relied upon for the survival of those that use them and I will show you an overwhelming amount of mim guns.
Nice find. 686-5 is more like 1999 production. -3 is around 1990. -5 has everything current production Smith’s have. MIM internals, frame mounted firing pin & a round butt. It’s the last model before the internal lock.
Thanks for the video. I learned alot. I just bought the exact same model. Now I feel confident in taking it down and polishing it. The value of these is really increasing since they built the new ones with the frame lock.
Mr Drake I love this 686-5. It was a very nice revolver before your tender care. Now it is an outstanding revolver. I have a few 686s. But not a 686-5. I will add it to my list to pick up. Thank you Sir for your content here and your Facebook group.
Nice collection! I got a 686 - 6+ with 6" barrell. It was a pawn shop find for a good deal. And I bought my dad a 629 - 3 its a 8 and 3/8" for Christmas last year off of GunBroker. Box paperwork and all.
~I love Blued Guns, so I own the 586. Her Bluing is almost up to par with my old Python. Her Beautiful looks and her nicely grained Walnut Grips is what caught my eyes one day in early 2016 while visiting my LGS. ~Wow, she looks like a completely different gun. I can see her smiling. ~I enjoy working on firearms. I find it very therapeutic.
Revolvers are special. I used to carry a Model 10 (in uniform) or 36 (plain clothes). My first personal revolver was a Model 19 back around 1981 replaced by a 586 in 1983?? I just ordered a 686/676 last week with a 6" barrel, unfluted cylinder 6 shot matt stainless. Just waiting for paperwork and cooling off period. I am in Australia so 28 days wait.
just to let you know the 7 shot cylinder and the 6 shot cylinder on a l frame are exactly the same size. they just drill them closer together and squeeze one more chamber in because if it was a little bigger it wouldn't fit the L frame there's not enough room so some people say the six shot cylinders are stronger because there is more meat there but I have never heard of a problem with the 7 shot cylinders I'm sure they're just fine
I would think the 7 shot cylinder would be stronger, because the cylinder bolt cutout on the 6 shot is cut in the weakest part of the cylinder. I had a bad experience with a model 29 no dash that I bought at a gun show. A previous owner had fired such hot loads as to balloon this area of the cylinder, making it almost impossible to eject the empties. I had to replace the cylinder. A recessed cylinder for a model 29 is VERY hard to find!
David--------if I lived closer to you lol.........I would be in trouble.... I love these big beautiful revolvers and you do them justice....every video I come away having learned something.....as we say in the Navy BZ
The rusting of stainless depends on its grade. Very high quality stainless like a food grade 316L is non magnetic, it won't rust. I just bought a new 686-6 and it's magnetic it will rust in time if not kept oiled and dry.
I wanted a pre lock, 6 shot, 686-5 stainless, 3' but have come to the conclusion that I won't find one and/or can't afford one... Thanks for the video though, watching a video like this is enough for me :D
I had a new 586-1 and it picked up a little corrosion at the muzzle and the trigger guard. Turns out it was from the foam in the soft case. I replaced it with a faux fleece case and wrapped the gun in a super clean soft cloth and never had further problems.
Our agency switched to stainless revolvers in the early ‘70s and I can tell you stainless will rust if not attended to. It requires less attention than a blue steel gun, but open carried by a uniformed cop it will rust if you’re not careful.
I just came across your channel and found you to be quite knowledgeable about revolvers. I'll be looking forward to more of your videos in the future. No plastic wonders if you can help it lol. I subscribed.
It looks Awesome, cleaned up very nice. I do like the larger basket weave stocks way more than the little model #10 style. Looks more balanced, great find. I've watched alot of your restorations , nice work on the 586 re blue too New . Thanks for sharing your hobby 🤠
JUST SAW YOUR VEDIOE ON S&W 686-4 357 MAGNUM. I REALLY ENJOYED IT VERY MUCH. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF EAGLE GRIPS . I HAVE HAD TWO MADE FOR MY S & W 617 WITH THE 6 INCH BARREL AND THE OTHER ONE FOR MY S & W 657 MOUNTAIN GUN WITH A 4 INCH BARREL .
There's all different kinds of stainless steel. Usually a magnet will stick to stainless, unless it's true stainless, but solid stainless is almost useless due to the fact that it cannot be machined too easily.
Pure stainless and there is several grades, is nonmagnetic and dose not rust. But stainless that's contaminated with carbon steel is magnetic and well rust.
Stainless steel comes in all different grades. There is a grade of stainless that will never rust, I have some of it here but it is almost impossible to machine and work with and also it is non magnetic the cheaper grades of stainless are magnetic.
WHEN YOU THINK YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT THINK'S AND LIKE THING'S A CERTAIN WAY AND THEN FIND'S SOMEONE LIKE YOURSELF, IT'S MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD, YOU ARE JUST LIKE ME, I DO NOT LIKE REVOLVER'S THAT CARRY 7 ROUND'S, I LIKE A REVOLVER THAT HOLD'S 5 ROUND'S BUT 6 IS O.K. I DON'T LIKE 7 ROUND'S IN A REVOLVER, IT JUST DON'T SEEM'S RIGHT TO ME...😂.
If it's not a pre lock square butt I don't want it I have a absolute love of no dash to dash 4 s&w guns prefer a pinned & recessed gun th and tt got a lot everything from 22mag to 45 colt
DON'T LET THAT RUST SPOT BOTHER YOU TOO MUCH, STAINLESS STEEL THAT SHOW'S A RUST SPOT EVERY NOW AND THEN IS VERY GOOD STAINLESS STEEL, BACK IN THE DAY BUCK FOLDING KNIVE'S WOULD DO THAT, YOU WILL SEE SPECK'S OF RUST ON THE BLADE BUT THOSE BLADE'S WOULD HOLD AN EDGE LIKE THERE IS NO TOMORROW....👍.
I carried a 2” Model 60 working undercover in the early ‘70s and it will rust, especially in the warm weather, if you’re not careful. As to a 7 shot wheel gun I’d avoid it b/c of 50 + of handling a six shooter. Too much chance of a NG.
Don't like those grips. My past employer would hand out revolvers at qualification time according to hand size. The smaller guys got those skinny grips. The smaller guys scores suffered due to those grips. If they got the regular or hogue type they had no problem qualifying.
Guys I was off by 10 years. This is a 2000 model not the 1990 as incorrectly stated. Thanks for catching that David Bliss!
What "make" are the wooden grips on the stock?? I like them, wish I could get a set for a Ruger Security Six 1983 model. You know, for a time, I did not like 5 or 7 shot cylinders, to me for a long time a hand gun was supposed to be a Sis-Shooter for some reason I cannot explain. But I got a 686+ a few years ago, and I got over it. I really like this model you have HERE. Really nice looking revolver. Thanks, BB
David..you are aman on a mission..lol..I have 5 "L" frames. Love these revolvers..681 no dash
686-4 in 4 in. 586 4 in. Nickel, and 2 586 6 in
Guns one being ano dash and the other -8. Love them! Nice pic bro.
Why people don't like the lock hole
I just got a revolver used where should I oil it without disassembling it, tell me the spots
I have a 686-6+ i picked up from a pawn shop for $580. I know it has mim parts and a lock. I tell you it goes bang every time you pull the trigger. Its a very accurate gun. Never had it lock up on its own even under rapid fire with 158gr. magnum loads. Great video's bro, keep them coming.
Mr. Rogers is packing heat
The mim revolvers are designed better. Firing pin on the hammer led to more failures than the lock ever will, and it is an issue no more. If the lock was as bad as you hear people claim, it wouldn't be there anymore. Been on the things for 20 years. Smith would be up their ass with lawsuits from revolvers failing to fire in defensive situations by survivors and family of deceased now if the claims were valid. Don't worry about them.
@@PANICBLADE Excellent comment, I just learned something.
@@82luft49 I apologize in advance since this got more ranty than I expected, but think about it. Kimber started putting their spin on external extractors on some of their 1911 models. They didn't work right and led to malfunctions. Guess what happened: they were removed, fast. Sig Sauer's p365 wasn't drop safe and they received complaints. Guess what happened: instant recall and design change moving forward. Smith would do the same if their changes made the firearms truly less reliable, and I know this for certain because they already have. Hell using the 686 (introduced in the 1980s) as an example, it had regular design updates since it's inception every few years, it even had an initial recall. These changes are indicated by the -#, meaning it's been through no fewer than 6 design revisions since its creation. Changes were made until the 686-6 model (-7 is a specialty model), which has remained in constant production since 2003. Smith knows exactly what they are doing and not everything is an attempt to cut cost at the expense of the customer.
This is why custom ordered guns can be finicky out of the box and sometimes require break in times. You can still pay an inflated amount for a custom hand fitted non mim gun and such, but that means the tooling could be less consistent, occasionally leading to malfunctions despite the slight increase in strength of the materials. Form leads to function, and sacrificing an insignificant amount of hardness for parts where their function is not to bear stress but to move in unison is ultimately going to produce more reliability if it means they are formed properly every time. I'm not knocking people that buy or have those kind of firearms at all as a gun with forged steel parts smithed to the same standards that mim stuff is shaped to is the ideal (the companies that make them have earned their acclaim), but those are expensive and rare guns meant for enthusiasts, collectors, or shooting competitors. Find me a profession where firearms are regularly used and relied upon for the survival of those that use them and I will show you an overwhelming amount of mim guns.
Nice find. 686-5 is more like 1999 production. -3 is around 1990. -5 has everything current production Smith’s have. MIM internals, frame mounted firing pin & a round butt. It’s the last model before the internal lock.
Answers a lot of my questions I have a 686-5 4” and it’s a little stiff on double action, but 29 years or true performance. Good video
Thanks for the video. I learned alot. I just bought the exact same model. Now I feel confident in taking it down and polishing it. The value of these is really increasing since they built the new ones with the frame lock.
Thank you Sir for teaching me about your beautiful S&W revolvers and take care.
Mr Drake I love this 686-5. It was a very nice revolver before your tender care. Now it is an outstanding revolver. I have a few 686s. But not a 686-5. I will add it to my list to pick up. Thank you Sir for your content here and your Facebook group.
Nice collection! I got a 686 - 6+ with 6" barrell. It was a pawn shop find for a good deal. And I bought my dad a 629 - 3 its a 8 and 3/8" for Christmas last year off of GunBroker. Box paperwork and all.
Beautiful Smith, great work polishing her. I'm definitely gonna try that out with my stainless guns.
~I love Blued Guns, so I own the 586. Her Bluing is almost up to par with my old Python. Her Beautiful looks and her nicely grained Walnut Grips is what caught my eyes one day in early 2016 while visiting my LGS.
~Wow, she looks like a completely different gun. I can see her smiling.
~I enjoy working on firearms. I find it very therapeutic.
Revolvers are special. I used to carry a Model 10 (in uniform) or 36 (plain clothes). My first personal revolver was a Model 19 back around 1981 replaced by a 586 in 1983?? I just ordered a 686/676 last week with a 6" barrel, unfluted cylinder 6 shot matt stainless. Just waiting for paperwork and cooling off period. I am in Australia so 28 days wait.
Mr. Drake i dig your revolver videos. Thanks......
just to let you know the 7 shot cylinder and the 6 shot cylinder on a l frame are exactly the same size. they just drill them closer together and squeeze one more chamber in because if it was a little bigger it wouldn't fit the L frame there's not enough room so some people say the six shot cylinders are stronger because there is more meat there but I have never heard of a problem with the 7 shot cylinders I'm sure they're just fine
Michael Dimaria That’s good info. Thanks
I would think the 7 shot cylinder would be stronger, because the cylinder bolt cutout on the 6 shot is cut in the weakest part of the cylinder. I had a bad experience with a model 29 no dash that I bought at a gun show. A previous owner had fired such hot loads as to balloon this area of the cylinder, making it almost impossible to eject the empties. I had to replace the cylinder. A recessed cylinder for a model 29 is VERY hard to find!
Great, informative video! I have a 686-6 Canadian Edition with 4.25 inch barrel that works pretty good. Don't like the lock hole, I just ignore it. 😖
David--------if I lived closer to you lol.........I would be in trouble.... I love these big beautiful revolvers and you do them justice....every video I come away having learned something.....as we say in the Navy BZ
The rusting of stainless depends on its grade. Very high quality stainless like a food grade 316L is non magnetic, it won't rust. I just bought a new 686-6 and it's magnetic it will rust in time if not kept oiled and dry.
Answer to all of my questions, great job
I wanted a pre lock, 6 shot, 686-5 stainless, 3' but have come to the conclusion that I won't find one and/or can't afford one... Thanks for the video though, watching a video like this is enough for me :D
I had a new 586-1 and it picked up a little corrosion at the muzzle and the trigger guard. Turns out it was from the foam in the soft case. I replaced it with a faux fleece case and wrapped the gun in a super clean soft cloth and never had further problems.
11:30 Version #1: Uncle Mike's rubber grips.
I just got the 696-6 PLUS DELUXE, WOOD FURNITURE LOOKS SO GOOD,SHOOTS STRAIGHT AND I COULDNT BE HAPPIER, MY FIRST SMITH AND WESSON.WONT BE MY LAST!!
Beautiful pistola!
I love revolvers that hold one more shot.
Too me you can never have enough
Best 357 out there❤
Our agency switched to stainless revolvers in the early ‘70s and I can tell you stainless will rust if not attended to. It requires less attention than a blue steel gun, but open carried by a uniformed cop it will rust if you’re not careful.
How long did it take you to Flitz the 686? Did you use a Dremel at all?
I just came across your channel and found you to be quite knowledgeable about revolvers. I'll be looking forward to more of your videos in the future. No plastic wonders if you can help it lol. I subscribed.
Those wood grips look great the thin one ☝️
It looks Awesome, cleaned up very nice. I do like the larger basket weave stocks way more than the little model #10 style. Looks more balanced, great find. I've watched alot of your restorations , nice work on the 586 re blue too New . Thanks for sharing your hobby 🤠
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You want to thoroughly clean the parts and frame, then coat everything with oil and wipe it off. You don’t want globs of oil in there.
Very Good Sir, Really enjoying your revolver videos
JUST SAW YOUR VEDIOE ON S&W 686-4 357 MAGNUM.
I REALLY ENJOYED IT VERY MUCH.
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF EAGLE GRIPS .
I HAVE HAD TWO MADE FOR MY S & W 617 WITH THE 6 INCH BARREL
AND THE OTHER ONE FOR MY S & W 657 MOUNTAIN GUN WITH A
4 INCH BARREL .
There's all different kinds of stainless steel. Usually a magnet will stick to stainless, unless it's true stainless, but solid stainless is almost useless due to the fact that it cannot be machined too easily.
Actually, bought a LE trade in 38 special SS that had gotten wet and had rust inside , cleaned up well, gotta do the maintenance
Thanks. VERY informative.
Beautiful guns.
Pure stainless and there is several grades, is nonmagnetic and dose not rust. But stainless that's contaminated with carbon steel is magnetic and well rust.
Hey question can l put an Taurus 692 barrel on a Taurus m/461
Great job a true wheel man!!!
Put the grip piece on it , i dont no the name of them its the metal curve thing you put on the front of grip handle
Just seeing your video I have the 66-6 round butt Talo edition to short for me I need a longer grips at least 41/2 inches long thanks .
Gorgeous firearms
Nice videos. Thanks much. Full disclosure, I hate colts. LOL. Stay well.
Awesome!
Stainless steel comes in all different grades. There is a grade of stainless that will never rust, I have some of it here but it is almost impossible to machine and work with and also it is non magnetic the cheaper grades of stainless are magnetic.
The stainless ones are really nice but the blued one is just as nice
WHEN YOU THINK YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT THINK'S AND LIKE THING'S A CERTAIN WAY AND THEN FIND'S SOMEONE LIKE YOURSELF, IT'S MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD, YOU ARE JUST LIKE ME, I DO NOT LIKE REVOLVER'S THAT CARRY 7 ROUND'S, I LIKE A REVOLVER THAT HOLD'S 5 ROUND'S BUT 6 IS O.K. I DON'T LIKE 7 ROUND'S IN A REVOLVER, IT JUST DON'T SEEM'S RIGHT TO ME...😂.
No ten day waiting period?
very nice sir!!!!!!!!!!!
If it's not a pre lock square butt I don't want it I have a absolute love of no dash to dash 4 s&w guns prefer a pinned & recessed gun th and tt got a lot everything from 22mag to 45 colt
Never oil the inside of a revolver...its not a car...keep it bone dry but clean!!! The keyword is CLEAN.
Is the 586 a 357 as well
I like the grips. I got small hands
I would send it to gun shop for maintenance and minor repair
Is this a S&W grip video or ?
DON'T LET THAT RUST SPOT BOTHER YOU TOO MUCH, STAINLESS STEEL THAT SHOW'S A RUST SPOT EVERY NOW AND THEN IS VERY GOOD STAINLESS STEEL, BACK IN THE DAY BUCK FOLDING KNIVE'S WOULD DO THAT, YOU WILL SEE SPECK'S OF RUST ON THE BLADE BUT THOSE BLADE'S WOULD HOLD AN EDGE LIKE THERE IS NO TOMORROW....👍.
What did you use to lube the internals?
ditto
It really is a pretty gun..! What do you think about the new 586's, are you failure with that bluing ?
Check back through my video catalog, I did an overview of the new 586.
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I bought the brownells S&W screwdriver set, and they’re really not fitted into the screws properly, they slide all over the place.
I carried a 2” Model 60 working undercover in the early ‘70s and it will rust, especially in the warm weather, if you’re not careful. As to a 7 shot wheel gun I’d avoid it b/c of 50 + of handling a six shooter. Too much chance of a NG.
The inside of revolvers should NOT be oiled!
Good point, I fully agree. All you end up with is heated gunk.
Yup! It's not a car engine.....it will only turn into goo.....I keep both of my revolvers bone dry but clean.
Well anytime you want to sell it. Let me know.
Stainless doesn't mean Stain Not.😛
Don't like those grips. My past employer would hand out revolvers at qualification time according to hand size. The smaller guys got those skinny grips. The smaller guys scores suffered due to those grips. If they got the regular or hogue type they had no problem qualifying.
I'm more annoyed by those stocks lol 😆
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StainLESS...not rust proof.
There is carbon in the steel for strength. Stainless just dont have that much. Thats why they say its resistant.
Those grips are hideous !
I will never buy a new S&W after they kneeled down and added a Hilary Hole.. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!