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I have 21.2 Cinnamon on my desktop - a pretty fast machine with 32 GB of RAM. My laptop is an old Lenovo G505 and I decided to try it with 21.2 Xfce (it was dual boot Win 8.1 and Mint 18) doing erase and install. For whatever reason, it was dog slow, so I replaced it with Cinnamon and it worked much, much better. Since then, I replaced the drive with a 1 TB SSD, increased the RAM from 4 to 16, and it's actually pretty good. So, in my experience, stick with Cinnamon.
Cinnamon windows don't return to previous custom size after maximizing and then restoring the way XFCE does. I find XFCE panel control is easier for changing color/transparency.
Your videos and most others show these desktop environments in a way which makes rhem seem all but identical. I would like to see a comparison that hightlights things that would make someone choose one over another. Things like cinnamon's expo view or mate's integration with compiz. Special features that one has that maybe another doesn't. Mint makes them look the same but each has strengths and weaknesses. These will help us compare.
You know, I can remember back when ppl would choose the XFCE version of Linux Mint because it was super light on system resources compared to cinnamon. Now there is only about 100mb difference and cinnamon has remained consistent. XFCE 3-4 years ago would be using in the high 300 to low 400mb range. Its simply not worth it anymore.
I am curious why they still have multiple flavors. I guess it's for non-networked systems, because even in the days of netbsd we were able to select our necessary packages before the initial initiation. You'd think they'd just make one install with the applicable "Select your desktop environment" prompt and download the scripts/software based on it. I've always consider gnome the most memory heavy, KDE CPU heavy and xfce a low-end version of both. I just mean comparatively xfce was fine for like old Athlon/512MB-1GB ram systems. Gnome was always fine for 2GB-4GB, and KDE used like 1-2GB, but had fancier features and effects, like a bouncy loading icon. I imagine their differences are hardly felt in modern kernels/hardware. I felt justified in the htop section. lol
The reason for different desktop environments is: 1. to offer different levels of lightweight options, 2. because of Mint user community's long standing preferences. (They were quite upset when KDE Plasma version was dropped.) The reason for separate ISOs is to make installation simpler and easier for less technical users.
@@pyepye-io4vu Yeah, I don't buy that. They have a carousel of images and could easily explain the differences. Less technical users choosing an ISO is no different than choice in a modal dialog. The difference is network transfer for sure, where someone not connected to a wan can't do the download and having the option over ISO is better. I absolutely get it, but the default should be evolving the installer and letting legacy/non-networked choose. The ISO would be much smaller if everyone could just choose a lot of these things.
Only thing I care about is the difference in DM functionality, so in this video I don't see the difference except for resource usage? I more familiar with XFCE & one thing I like about it, is its' use of key bind shortcuts similar to WMs tiling. What am I missing?
I use Cinnamon on an old computer with an Intel CoreDuo and just 4gb ram and a ssd. I’m not a gamer. Just email etc. It runs surprisingly well. Part of me always wonders if I should have rather installed Xfce. Based on your video comparing the resource use between the two, I’ll stick with Cinnamon.
Cinnamon panel you can place stuff in either the left, middle, or right... XFCE panel has no middle option, it's only left or right... You can use seperators but it's a much more sloppy option. Cinnamon wins with that.
EXCELLENT in every WAY!! tanx :-))) sub'd/liked. a request, plz...HOW might I get my paid-for CAD-software ( ActCAD ) to work on LinuxM_XFCE ? Total L-nerd, but 44+ years a CAD-guy (aka: old))). ActCAD's my sweet $$$-maker, but with W10's end, I'll bet there's a zillion CAD-folks, like me, who are wanting to learn HOW, too!!! IT-guy, YOU are...the BEST for knowing dis stuff ))) buona fortuna!
Try installing it via steam 3rd party app via proton. There are other methods as well but I find this to be the most user friendly method. You may be able to run it right after install to see if it works. When you close out you’ll need to know where it installed under steam to run it again. I’m out of town right now so sorry my instructions aren’t the best. Ping me if you run into any issues.
Check out my Toolbox to quickly Add/Remove programs, configure power settings, and system updates with the click of a button. github.com/TheLinuxITGuy/Toolbox
I have 21.2 Cinnamon on my desktop - a pretty fast machine with 32 GB of RAM. My laptop is an old Lenovo G505 and I decided to try it with 21.2 Xfce (it was dual boot Win 8.1 and Mint 18) doing erase and install. For whatever reason, it was dog slow, so I replaced it with Cinnamon and it worked much, much better. Since then, I replaced the drive with a 1 TB SSD, increased the RAM from 4 to 16, and it's actually pretty good. So, in my experience, stick with Cinnamon.
Thanks for sharing and watching!
Cinnamon windows don't return to previous custom size after maximizing and then restoring the way XFCE does. I find XFCE panel control is easier for changing color/transparency.
Your videos and most others show these desktop environments in a way which makes rhem seem all but identical. I would like to see a comparison that hightlights things that would make someone choose one over another. Things like cinnamon's expo view or mate's integration with compiz. Special features that one has that maybe another doesn't. Mint makes them look the same but each has strengths and weaknesses. These will help us compare.
Thanks for the feedback and watching.
You know, I can remember back when ppl would choose the XFCE version of Linux Mint because it was super light on system resources compared to cinnamon. Now there is only about 100mb difference and cinnamon has remained consistent. XFCE 3-4 years ago would be using in the high 300 to low 400mb range. Its simply not worth it anymore.
Kinda crazy, right? Thanks for watching.
That's a issue with mint not XFCE.
@@huntermathias5353 Not really. Manjaro, Xubuntu, and others all have the same high memory use issue these days.
A good way to test a desktop is to run glmark2 in window mode and the final score usually lets you know which desktop is more performant.
I will start adding this to the vs videos. Thank you for the suggestion. Much appreciated.
I am curious why they still have multiple flavors. I guess it's for non-networked systems, because even in the days of netbsd we were able to select our necessary packages before the initial initiation. You'd think they'd just make one install with the applicable "Select your desktop environment" prompt and download the scripts/software based on it. I've always consider gnome the most memory heavy, KDE CPU heavy and xfce a low-end version of both. I just mean comparatively xfce was fine for like old Athlon/512MB-1GB ram systems. Gnome was always fine for 2GB-4GB, and KDE used like 1-2GB, but had fancier features and effects, like a bouncy loading icon. I imagine their differences are hardly felt in modern kernels/hardware. I felt justified in the htop section. lol
I was shocked as well.
@@TheLinuxITGuy I wonder how NetBSD is doing these days. Makes me wanna do a vm and see if I can get it up to Steam/proton lol
@@lmotaku I’ll add it to my list to cover.
The reason for different desktop environments is: 1. to offer different levels of lightweight options, 2. because of Mint user community's long standing preferences. (They were quite upset when KDE Plasma version was dropped.)
The reason for separate ISOs is to make installation simpler and easier for less technical users.
@@pyepye-io4vu Yeah, I don't buy that. They have a carousel of images and could easily explain the differences. Less technical users choosing an ISO is no different than choice in a modal dialog. The difference is network transfer for sure, where someone not connected to a wan can't do the download and having the option over ISO is better. I absolutely get it, but the default should be evolving the installer and letting legacy/non-networked choose. The ISO would be much smaller if everyone could just choose a lot of these things.
Very well presented. And that was exactly what I was looking for today, so thanks!
You're very welcome! Glad it helped. Thanks for watching.
What 2 distros would you like to see go head to head next? 🤔
please do compare XFCE vs MATE
@@aralesaniternuvogiv released today
Debian Xfce and MX Linux.
Only thing I care about is the difference in DM functionality, so in this video I don't see the difference except for resource usage? I more familiar with XFCE & one thing I like about it, is its' use of key bind shortcuts similar to WMs tiling. What am I missing?
Can't go wrong with XFCE! Thanks for watching.
XFCE if I had to choose for an old low-end laptop. I like the simplicity it uses compared to older Windows like 98 and XP
Perfect DE for older hardware. Thanks for watching.
What about Mate isnt it also great for a good balance between fast and lightweight
Thanks for watching. I've got another video where we compare MATE.
I use Cinnamon on an old computer with an Intel CoreDuo and just 4gb ram and a ssd. I’m not a gamer. Just email etc. It runs surprisingly well. Part of me always wonders if I should have rather installed Xfce. Based on your video comparing the resource use between the two, I’ll stick with Cinnamon.
You can't go wrong with Cinnamon. Thanks for watching.
Hey thank you, that's exactly the hardware I'm considering running Mint on!
Great video!!
Thanks!
Cinnamon is a little more heavy?
Slightly. Thanks for watching.
Cinnamon panel you can place stuff in either the left, middle, or right... XFCE panel has no middle option, it's only left or right... You can use seperators but it's a much more sloppy option. Cinnamon wins with that.
Why does Mint still have undershoot?
Not sure what that is. Thanks for watching.
@@TheLinuxITGuy The dotted lines in the scroll areas.
Forks^9000
Also a comment.
I use both on 2 pcs and I prefer cinnamon.
EXCELLENT in every WAY!! tanx :-))) sub'd/liked. a request, plz...HOW might I get my paid-for CAD-software ( ActCAD ) to work on LinuxM_XFCE ? Total L-nerd, but 44+ years a CAD-guy (aka: old))). ActCAD's my sweet $$$-maker, but with W10's end, I'll bet there's a zillion CAD-folks, like me, who are wanting to learn HOW, too!!! IT-guy, YOU are...the BEST for knowing dis stuff ))) buona fortuna!
Try installing it via steam 3rd party app via proton. There are other methods as well but I find this to be the most user friendly method. You may be able to run it right after install to see if it works. When you close out you’ll need to know where it installed under steam to run it again. I’m out of town right now so sorry my instructions aren’t the best. Ping me if you run into any issues.
Cinnamon
Thanks for watching.