How Financial Firms Actually Make Money

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  • Today we discuss the common misconceptions of retail traders regarding the algorithmic trading or more commonly termed ‘algo trading’. Here we dive into why finding alpha in today’s financial markets is non-trivial, and conflicts of interest present in financial markets.
    Later in the video we discuss 3 trading strategies that are used as the foundation of most financial companies that participate in the financial markets. These strategies consistently make companies money and are the bedrock of companies providing financial services, or products in general.
    Let’s aim to be pessimistic when people online promise that someone/anyone with a novice level of python experience can create an algo trading strategy that consistently makes money. I will endeavour to never give in to this fallacy and aim to point it out to my viewers on this channel.
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  • @andresbonelli
    @andresbonelli ปีที่แล้ว +111

    Every trading educator ever:
    -"Every other Strategies out there do not work. Read my book/take my course instead"

  • @MW7-Mark
    @MW7-Mark ปีที่แล้ว +324

    This reminds me of the old story about how selling shovels and mining tools to the gold miners in the 1800s offered more guaranteed success than to actually mine for gold. I suppose the same could be said for many industries: Publishing companies earn more money than authors, youtube as a media platform probably makes more money and has a more sure thing business model than an individual who starts a youtube channel.

    • @tashkronayt1273
      @tashkronayt1273 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      brokerage firms earn more money than most successful traders

    • @nwoksh
      @nwoksh ปีที่แล้ว +16

      So your advise is for all of us to either open brokerage firms or quit trading and starve the brokerage firms into insolvency

    • @GlobusTheGreat
      @GlobusTheGreat ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@nwoksh It's an insight, not a call to action

    • @treadaar
      @treadaar ปีที่แล้ว +3

      TH-cam has always lost money actually.

    • @currencynews2045
      @currencynews2045 ปีที่แล้ว

      How The Bible led me to Islam th-cam.com/video/aFMHH9Hp-OM/w-d-xo.html

  • @beolbeol8025
    @beolbeol8025 ปีที่แล้ว +241

    TLDR; He doesn't talk about winning strategies. He talks about fees and bid-ask spread.

    • @omairtech6711
      @omairtech6711 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      So is it not that impossible to make money algo trading as this guy has us believe.

    • @tea.dubs8532
      @tea.dubs8532 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@omairtech6711 its 100% possible. Banks dont trade manually. they trade our money with bots.

    • @MRT-co1sd
      @MRT-co1sd ปีที่แล้ว +18

      That’s why he gave you the warning why TH-camr Traders are fakes.

    • @williammorris1763
      @williammorris1763 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Bad info, bad analogy. Maybe learn more about both before you make a video giving bad info on stuff like this. It almost amounts to a red herring.

    • @mobeenhussain1866
      @mobeenhussain1866 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      His secret Alpha was to entice us to see the video from start to finish to avail TH-cam monitization.

  • @freddy8873
    @freddy8873 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Love your work. This is the first video that prospective traders should be watching.

  • @dawei6697
    @dawei6697 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you for the great video. This is one of the clearest summary about the business models of the large institutions. I’m subscribing because I want to look at your older videos on python and ML. But I agree with Sarahvandistel though, the difference in target niche between institutional and retail traders means different decision-making strategies, hence computational models, should be used. I still think that algo trading for retail traders is a viable method. We just need to find the right strategy. Once we get rich we remain quiet about how we get rich 😂, like those who already figured it out

  • @tylerschon900
    @tylerschon900 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Really good and instructive video on financial services as a whole. That being said, I think the algorithmic trading tutorials you're referencing are still useful for getting from 0 to 1. That is, how can one get to a point where you're actually analyzing data and coding primitive trading strategies. Once you get from 0 to 1, then you have the tools you need to research deeper and more complex machine learning strategies.

  • @sarahrafeal6412
    @sarahrafeal6412 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    The teachings on this channel are always top-notch, informative, and easy to understand. It's very hard to find good content online these days

    • @charleyluckey2232
      @charleyluckey2232 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree with you on everything, these days finding a financial mentor is a tough challenge which is why I am happy and grateful to have been introduced to my mentor Larry Kent Burton by a friend i made a lot of money in just two months working with him for just a small investment

    • @sarahrafeal6412
      @sarahrafeal6412 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who exactly is this Mr. Larry? what does he do?And how can I take advantage of him

    • @susanbaxtron8422
      @susanbaxtron8422 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry for interrupting your conversation. I just wanted to add to everything, Mr. Robert is a miracle trader. He helped me grow my trading account from just $ 1000 to over $ 11000, I can confidently say anyone who invests with him, you are guaranteed to make profits

    • @charleyluckey2232
      @charleyluckey2232 ปีที่แล้ว

      He is a financial advisor and investor. He helps people to better understand the financial markets, and he also does trading and investing on his or her behalf

    • @charleyluckey2232
      @charleyluckey2232 ปีที่แล้ว

      Getting in touch with him is very simple. Just follow him on Instagram

  • @IIIIALBYIIII
    @IIIIALBYIIII 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love your video! Much appreciated.
    I also love that book.
    BT overfitting and ML.
    Backtesting is like cash

  • @Frootyloops629
    @Frootyloops629 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i left when you claimed you have guaranteed strategies to make mony

  • @sinan_islam
    @sinan_islam ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You are recommending a book written by Marcos Lopez De Prado.
    Marcos write very advanced books for audience with PhD.
    Most of the traders don't even know how to spell their name.

  • @pozloadescobar
    @pozloadescobar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thank you for the thoughtful content! Very refreshing. I was beginning to think nobody but gurus and quacks created videos in this niche

  • @jamisonmunn9215
    @jamisonmunn9215 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    An interesting rabbit hole is the channels financial incentive is TH-cam Ad revenue. If a video including "algo trading is fake" gets more views than an algo trading strategy video, you have to wonder are the strategy videos fake, or does calling them fake get you more views therefore more ad revenue?

    • @buyhighselllow8398
      @buyhighselllow8398 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Thats a pretty good fucking question. After watching half-way through this video I realised that I shouldn't be listening to people talks so much. I should spend more time working on my trading. Only experience and time will tell you what is the reality of trading algos. I will continue to develop my algo no matter what shit head on youtube says and see what happens for myself. I'm taking this video with a single grain of salt.

    • @RyeBreadSucks
      @RyeBreadSucks ปีที่แล้ว

      @@buyhighselllow8398 Seems like you're taking it with a whole mouthful of salt lol. Why so mad?

    • @buyhighselllow8398
      @buyhighselllow8398 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@RyeBreadSucks I'm not mad, just frustrated that I haven't progressed with my trading because I'm always in the search for answers on TH-cam and end up wasting my time watching videos like these that discourage me to do my own due diligence. The main message I got from this video is that algo trading is extremely hard and that there is almost zero chance of making a decent algo that gives you consistent returns unless you're an institution with big pockets.

    • @johnnycash1933
      @johnnycash1933 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I hear you it takes alot of time trying to figure out and decide what to do and what to believe is a true way to make money and not a scam kind of scheme to get money from you

  • @fromzerotospyro
    @fromzerotospyro ปีที่แล้ว +12

    those were not profitable trading strategies those were profitable business models..misleading title

  • @davidabner8885
    @davidabner8885 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I am currently living off of my Algo trading gains. Took close to a year and around $27,000 in losses before I figured out how to become profitable. It's not as easy as it seems, but it's not entirely impossible

    • @C-ly-de
      @C-ly-de ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you you're giving me hope I'm currently looking forward to learn python probabilities and finance to get an algorithm working. Can I ask about your studies or how much time did it took to be successful ?

    • @paulnyagini
      @paulnyagini 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@C-ly-demathematical when person claims he is profitable in reality means he is not.

    • @C-ly-de
      @C-ly-de 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@paulnyagini yeah ig sooo...

  • @abharani9265
    @abharani9265 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Love this video, I was searching for SOR and algorithmic trading on internet, thanks for sharing reality.

  • @user-md6xz4mq5v
    @user-md6xz4mq5v 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your videos are like a rocket ship to success! Thank you for guiding us on this journey.😄

  • @taylorbruening
    @taylorbruening ปีที่แล้ว +2

    good stuff, keep it up!
    looking forward to more of this high-quality content

  • @astroganov
    @astroganov 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you for the video. It's always good to remember that the financial market does not generate the money, it redistributes it. And if you don't see the one who is going to lose their money in the deal, it's probably you.

  • @Silver_Recaps
    @Silver_Recaps 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man I love this video man! you are truly good at explaining what a lot of people think is complex.

  • @patite3103
    @patite3103 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Congratulations for your work! Could you do a video diving on market making? I put a series of questions under your video "understanding market makers" that you could use to make another one diving into this subject.
    How can a market maker (MM) make money with the bid-ask spread when you have many market makers acting in the market?
    How can the information of the order book be used to make money for MM?
    Why should they buy order books from other brokerage firms if they have already access to the order book of the stock exchange?
    This is still unfortunately a big black box! Thanks

    • @QuantPy
      @QuantPy  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes, I’ll make a video on all things market markers at some point

  • @maxg9680
    @maxg9680 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Title is misleading. The 3 strategies proposed to make money have nothing to do with alpha. But OK to know.

  • @realtimeforextraderthebrut8571
    @realtimeforextraderthebrut8571 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fascinating video...
    Thank you for sharing...
    Always good to share knowledge and bring light to a topic...

  • @sammclennan3661
    @sammclennan3661 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks for keeping it real bro and not trying to sell me anything!

    • @darcebrooks5409
      @darcebrooks5409 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      you are the product being sold

  • @kengc3
    @kengc3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    An additional benefit to “quant” trading that has nothing to do with Alpha is the elimination of emotion: as long as you can truly follow your systems. Having a system can be as simple as never going long when the asset you are looking at is below it’s 200 day moving average. This sounds almost idiotic in it’s simplicity, but I would say that 90% of all people I have shared this technique with have been unable to follow it, let alone anything else that is more complex. Following a simple 200 day rule could be the first step in reducing volatility and drawdown in your portfolio, thus making it more emotionally easy to actually stay invested. I’ve used this technique (along with a lot of more complex ones) as part of my toolbox for over 30 years and it has helped me out significantly.

    • @cooltrades7469
      @cooltrades7469 ปีที่แล้ว

      Significantly in trading = ££££. 30 years , wow. You should be in millions , at least.Or managing tenth of millions.Yes , the 200 is a known thing and actually 300 seems to be more accurate. But there is also let's say market structure, that can offer you opportunities. Trading is a complex thing and people are different so there's no universal solutin .As about algo trading , I think a statistic several years ago showed how ''human'' traders had better results. Also saw a docu about an algo firm with some very bright guys that somehow went bust .

    • @bubbleboy821
      @bubbleboy821 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's funny because I'd say buying below the 200 day moving average means that you're buying at a fire sale.

    • @marekan1410
      @marekan1410 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Traded for couple of decades - 10K transactions/yr; Liquid markets are mostly random/efficient, so you can buy or sell above or below any moving average... It's still a 50/50 bet; You may win, but it's not a viable business model. Best wishes in trading and investing!

    • @dakaodo
      @dakaodo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cooltrades7469 A couple different studies I've seen found that most technical indicators slightly improve performance when using longer period inputs.
      Market regime changes are what mess up most traders when they try to apply a single tool or toolkit to all situations.
      Re: algo firms going bust, there are plenty of them in the past two decades b/c most of them create and test a methodology that works at inception, but that market edge is perishable and erodes over time if they cannot sufficiently adapt and update their methodology to follow market conditions over longer timeframes. It's the same tool limitation problem, writ large with hundreds of millions of dollars on the line.

    • @dakaodo
      @dakaodo ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@bubbleboy821 Depends on whether the slope and concavity of the MA are positive or negative.
      If your MA is sloping upward, and especially if concavity is positive (showing upward acceleration), then yes, buying the dip is great.
      Downward slope and especially negative concavity would mean buying below the MA into an accelerating downtrend -- better to sell. John Maynard Keynes himself said the markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent. :P (I take issue with that quote though, since the main part of the fault lies with us for irrationally pitting our ego against the market's direction in the first place)

  • @albertociampini6473
    @albertociampini6473 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Im sorry but referring to econometrics as 18th century tech just because (some) techniques involve inverting a 'simple' covariance matrix is a bit of a stretch. Most of what people label as machine learning nowadays is actually based on 18th century math, eg. PCA. The author of that book is openly against the use of econometric techniques (against ML) which is only one side of the story... peace.

  • @nima8830
    @nima8830 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thanks a lot for this valuable video. What's your idea about algorithmic trading in Cryptocurrencies? They actually don't have intrinsic value and some economic terms are not applicable.

  • @jb_makesgames2264
    @jb_makesgames2264 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    New Subscriber - great video - a fellow fan of Dr, Prado

  • @danielzuluaga100
    @danielzuluaga100 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am a huge fan of your channel, Mr. QuantPy. Concise explanations and a great accent!

  • @fundvantage
    @fundvantage 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your information is very comprehensive, and I have learned a lot. I am in the retail trading business, but I know very little about investment banking. Thank you for sharing, I'm starting to understand a bit more.

  • @ShubhamKapoor
    @ShubhamKapoor ปีที่แล้ว +9

    What most retails traders think that Alpha is just the excess return over the benchmark, whereas you have to consider risk adjusted return to compare it to benchmark.
    It is not alpha, if you beat the benchmark with over exposed and leveraging into riskier positions. And yes, it is not consistent as well.

    • @ScottHz
      @ScottHz ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Very much agreed! So many algo-Tubers never show the MAE of their trades, nor show e.g. Sharpe Ratios.

    • @axe863
      @axe863 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Estimating Alpha is an ML problem.

  • @amj864
    @amj864 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Good work. Pretty much agree with you. Finding alpha is hard but not impossible. Technically speaking retail can do market making in the crypto.

    • @xunningliu
      @xunningliu ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How do you get initial liquidity for the AMM and compete against other big players such as uniswap?

    • @amj864
      @amj864 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Xunning Liu I was talking about market making in centralized exchanges like binance. Making AMMs are not retail friendly.

    • @ScottHz
      @ScottHz ปีที่แล้ว +5

      If you’re paying ‘gas’, you’re not market making😂

  • @pjakobsen
    @pjakobsen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video, and thank you so much for your great channel.

  • @foto21
    @foto21 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting video. I've been trading 3 years, and I find it interesting that you and others think it's impossible to find reliable alpha. Nothing is absolute, but direction is still a 50/50 break, which is better odds than many places. Plus, there are many different areas in the market, all of which follow patterns. However, what is scary is the ability of market makers to swill in the info of retail buyers before essentially going against the majority of them. That does seem to possibly be a bridge too far.

  • @TheIrkenSIR
    @TheIrkenSIR ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thank you for being the voice of reason. I only wandered down this rabbit hole because I work in the sector and the implications of algorithm and api programming calls is an interesting subject.

    • @dima6488
      @dima6488 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      API programming calls? First time I hear someone talk like that lol

    • @dataanalystbynight4375
      @dataanalystbynight4375 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dima6488what surprises you about him saying that, I guess it is not technically correct?

    • @dima6488
      @dima6488 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@dataanalystbynight4375 Because no one who actually works "in the sector" (i.e developer) talks like this, since "Application Programming Interface Programming" doesn't make the slightest of sense

    • @currencynews2045
      @currencynews2045 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @HitAndMissLab
    @HitAndMissLab 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Yet another guys saying "everybody else is lying, but, come buy my stuff, 'cause I'm the only one who's telling the truth"

  • @merseyviking
    @merseyviking ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I got tangentially interested in algo trading through a random video suggestion a few weeks ago. I watched a bunch of videos and I came to the realisation that the only guarantee is that the house always wins, and this video confirms that. Sure you *can* make money on the markets, but it's not a get rich quick scheme unless you're a) very lucky (and then it seems people try to ride the luck and lose it all), or b) a very talented risk-aware person.

  • @user-vi4zr1sx6k
    @user-vi4zr1sx6k 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    firstly thank you very much for your tutorials. Can you indicate a book or training focused in technical analisys? I'm a beginner and I need to learn more about it to be a good operator on this market. Thank you!

  • @csilipo
    @csilipo ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would like to see maybe how these python ML products work? Just a simple demonstration. Can you find the ‘alpha’ with python? It is a curious question - can statistic modelling produce the desired outcome? Carlo

  • @askelyk384
    @askelyk384 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If you look at the most successful hedge fund manager, Jim Simon, who has outperformed the market with an annual return of 66,1% before fees for his medallion fund from 1988 - 2018, it clearly shows that it requires the brightest minds in the world of mathematics, computer science and physics. The point is that most retail traders don’t have the necessary skills to analyze the right data and the right amount of data in order to produce strategies that can make alpha. Of course, that’s just how I analyze the situation. But most retail traders should definitely not use basic algo strategies like SMA 50 crossing the SMA 100

  • @AlessandroBottoni
    @AlessandroBottoni ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Great video, kudos! I totally agree with you. If you are trying to use algorithmic trading tools and techniques to get alpha, you are probably wasting your time (and money). These tools and techniques seem to be much more useful for 1) monitoring the market (think TradingView alerts, e.g.) 2) managing risky situations (think stop losses) and 3) automating certain processes (such as re-balancing portfolios).

    • @incremental_failure
      @incremental_failure ปีที่แล้ว

      What's the basis for your opinion?

    • @ScottHz
      @ScottHz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@incremental_failureThis video (he says he agrees with the video). 😉

  • @zAngus
    @zAngus ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good vid. Nice to see another Aussie. Subscribed.

  • @bluebull399
    @bluebull399 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Sorry, but I just can't agree with this. I've been a retail directional trader since 2008. I work from home and use a semi automated approach. Any scalping for volatility is automated but the directional bias comes from me. You can take directional trades day in day out and earn a good living from it. Don't use indicators, use your mind to spot the personality of the market and a good volatility strategy. If you're scalping ranges, your bots / algos should be simple market making bots. I have no idea how HFT's do it (I'm self taught), but I nibble away at the market averaging 500 - 1000 trades per day.

  • @jaychow5220
    @jaychow5220 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you got any forums for beginners to ask the trading coding questions?

  • @incremental_failure
    @incremental_failure ปีที่แล้ว +55

    You absolutely can find alpha as retail. Especially true for liquidity constrained strategies. Large funds are not going to bother making 200-500k annually from a strategy, it's way too small for them. For single trader retail it's worth it.

    • @jonsmith7667
      @jonsmith7667 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      you are 100% correct I am a small retail trader and I only trade alpha, this guy doesn't understand direct access brokerages as well it seems, I have only watched a few minutes but its enough, changing the channel after this post

    • @jerryc5743
      @jerryc5743 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      So, in other words, if you go into business for yourself and learn the business, to use the analogy from the book this person references, you can metaphorically mine a small portion of gold dust but, for a one person shop, that profit is worth it? (That is a genuine question, not a back-handed rebuttal)

    • @incremental_failure
      @incremental_failure ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@jerryc5743 Exactly. Not everyone in the marketplace is in direct competition with everyone else.

    • @jerryc5743
      @jerryc5743 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@incremental_failure thanks 😀

    • @Eijgey
      @Eijgey ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you speaking from personal experience?

  • @csilipo
    @csilipo ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for this video. There so many brokers out there - only selling crap! I’ve seen so many trading academies selling some of special platform (only theres) are able to make money. There business model are just selling a "crap education packages" starting at around $2k to $15k. Carlo

  • @user-bz4ml8fg1r
    @user-bz4ml8fg1r 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your trading strategies have helped me make consistent profits. Thank you for sharing them with us!

  • @MADgamer9212
    @MADgamer9212 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Great video. You should make a video or series about the history of alpha. What sort of alpha strategies have been used in the last 10 years compared to the last 50 years or something.

    • @QuantPy
      @QuantPy  2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Great suggestion, I will try and work this in soon!

    • @vishalnangare31
      @vishalnangare31 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@QuantPy thanks you for your great work 🙏

    • @Sciptopia
      @Sciptopia 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@QuantPywhere is the video? Have you made it?

  • @FreeMarketSwine
    @FreeMarketSwine ปีที่แล้ว

    Curious what you think of guys talking about support/resistance, breakouts, scalping, etc. A lot of it seems harder to condense down to a fixed set of rules (and therefore difficult, if not impossible, to backtest), but you hear a lot of the same ideas coming from different people.

  • @alexandersorbas1881
    @alexandersorbas1881 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    brother I need your corner desk!!! Where did you get it?

  • @denislavstoychev7240
    @denislavstoychev7240 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Good content, but misguided since none of the 3 strategies you talked about are actual trading strategies, but rather business strategies. So nothing relevant in terms of actual buying and selling of financial assets.

  • @irvinrodriguez5360
    @irvinrodriguez5360 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love your videos. It's something the internet needs.

  • @plebmarvin3108
    @plebmarvin3108 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    so few cuts in the video! respect ♥

  • @matthewdupree3573
    @matthewdupree3573 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I also think that there are other macro opportunities that present themselves when hedge funds turn a blind eye to value based on societal pressures. Presents an opportunity to individual investors who don’t have the same pressures (ie. Job loss/no promotion) for investing in non-green companies. Energy & tobacco for example.

  • @andreasw665
    @andreasw665 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Well algo trading and alpha discovery are two different things in my opinion. The first can be as simple as, buy at price x and sell at price y. The latter indeed is not as trivial and has high barriers to entry. Good video, really enjoyed it!

    • @piotr780
      @piotr780 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      no...

    • @ScottHz
      @ScottHz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      True, Interactive Brokers will let you as a retail trader use about six different ‘algo’ methods to buy/sell, but they really have nothing to do with alpha, only with different ways to enter/exit the market, e.g. not showing your full order size (‘iceberg’), attempting to buy below VWAP, etc.

    • @cyberfunk3793
      @cyberfunk3793 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ScottHz How would IB limit the kind of algos a trader uses? You are confusing some entry methods IB calls algo and not understanding what the word means in the context of typical algo trading.

    • @ScottHz
      @ScottHz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cyberfunk3793who said anything about 'limit'? By 'let you', I mean IB provides them as part of their trading platform. That's why I put 'algo' in quotes, I know they're not the same ;)

  • @malviyaprashant
    @malviyaprashant ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The video is hard truth I guess for retail traders. But then in your view, do Retail traders have no hope? I have seen successful retail traders making good wealth? how to reconcile it? Thanks

  • @Smarttradingchannel
    @Smarttradingchannel 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You can’t tell that hedge funds are juste interested by managements fees
    If they manage people money that because their performances and alpha are positive, that what bring more customers to trust them.
    So anyway, they have to trade with people money and have a great trading strategies to make return.
    What you can say, that those companies used others technics rather then juste predicting stock price. Some example are : hedging, statical arbitrages, means reversions, factor based models (using fundamentals).. and all of this drived by risk management
    So yes even big companies have strategies and trade on market and make money with that

  • @Aussieguy72
    @Aussieguy72 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Let’s aim to be pessimistic when people online promise that someone/anyone with a novice level of python experience can create an algo trading strategy that consistently makes money. I will endeavour to never give in to this fallacy and aim to point it out to my viewers on this channel. "
    As someone who wrote their own python trading script I can agree with that, while it doesn't lose money it often misses good trades because conditions were not met, I certainly wouldn't pay for an algo bot even if I didn't know how to code.

  • @darcebrooks5409
    @darcebrooks5409 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    your work is highly informative. I always do ask myself though - are you speaking as though only quants make money in markets consistently? I would argue alongside math phd quants you have non-quant traders in existence - seems as though you are not acknowledging those

  • @wayneflint8077
    @wayneflint8077 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Andrea Unger 4 time world trading champion. Kevin Davey also world trading champion, Bob Booker, Jarrod Goodman are all full algorithmic traders. Any comment on how that lines up with Alpha!

    • @ChrisosIDK
      @ChrisosIDK ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly... this guy doesn't know how far off the mark he is. There is huge alpha to be found via algo trading (for the small scale retail trader). I personally have found it... and it is vast.

  • @daveb4446
    @daveb4446 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I had some time and tested out several HUNDRED financial theories, and not one of them worked as advertised, which should be expected. Why would anyone release an effective algorithm? Ironically my only working bot was the first project I worked on when I knew nothing. I saw a potential pattern while watching some chargers, and it turned out to be surprisingly effective.

    • @algotradrr
      @algotradrr ปีที่แล้ว +6

      So basically your bot is an algo that works.

    • @chillbackground4935
      @chillbackground4935 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      can you share with us your pattern

    • @dawei6697
      @dawei6697 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@chillbackground4935😂😂 I’m sure everyone has the same thought as you… and I’m sure he won’t. Reason one, he spent all the time and money to test the algos, he deserves to be rich. Reason two, once it’s public it won’t work any more. But he already gave you plenty of information, right? From his brief description, you can reduce your search for a working algo by almost a HUNDRED fold. All we need to do is to figure out his hidden message and do one-tenth of his work.

    • @C-ly-de
      @C-ly-de ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hey I won't obviously ask you for the algorithm but I'm looking to use python for trading and wanted to know how much time and/or what study did you do to get where you are.
      Have a great day

    • @daveb4446
      @daveb4446 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@dawei6697 what I will say is that you have to check out the failures to see why they fail. And always always always use a benchmark. It’s near impossible to develop a working boy without a benchmark.

  • @eyazdani4537
    @eyazdani4537 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Any business is set up to make money by offering services. Financial services offering opportunities to make money same as a corner shop. It's a buyer's responsibility to be educated and knowledgeable in order to make money. Algo trading key benefit is to take away human emissions in decision making and follow trading rules.

  • @victorlee6129
    @victorlee6129 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Got it - don't bother chasing alpha. Is there a way as a retail investor that we can reduce beta with minimal impact to our 0 alpha? Or are there no good, easily accessible beta-reduction strategies either?

    • @markhegedus7952
      @markhegedus7952 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      To be fair, following the S&P 500 or buying ETFs are the best method at reducing beta. They're simply the easiest and less risky methods, but of course this will reduce your potential income. There is no such a thing as low-risk high reward investment, especially not in the short term. Long term investments are an another good example of reducing average volatility. But of course if you're not careful long term investments can be even riskier. Most big corporation's price will go up eventually... but there are a lot that may never go up, especially if they the corp uses the wrong strategy.

    • @ScottHz
      @ScottHz ปีที่แล้ว

      19:44 he says it’s not impossible to find alpha.

    • @robinspanier7017
      @robinspanier7017 ปีที่แล้ว

      as jack boogle phrased it: the only free lunch in the stock market is diversification

    • @Northstar2000
      @Northstar2000 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dont be a beta, be a omega chad

  • @preadatordetector
    @preadatordetector 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have tried to make a stock market sim but because YT is flooded with algo trading tutorials (which I don't even want) I can't find the content I want to use.

  • @user-lc3wl1iq1v
    @user-lc3wl1iq1v ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the thoughtful content!

  • @vinodagarwal9307
    @vinodagarwal9307 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of my collegue who was also interested in joining some platform has asked for guidance for following issue
    Dear Sir /Madan
    Good Day
    In order to improve the efficiency in execution of trades and to avoid the slippage i am considering to work with
    some Algo trader platform .
    We have to provide the API from broker for integration into the Algo system .
    My worry is that since the algo trader will have access to my account for placing the trade , he may
    sell deep OTM options to me and my capital will be eroded instantly .
    Please guide me if there is a possibility of happening such instances and what action and precautions i should take .
    Awaiting your valuable suggestions for improving my learning curve .
    With best Regards
    Simran seth

  • @James-og6cx
    @James-og6cx ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He literally talks about how TH-cam videos about trading strategies are bullshit and then in the next breath offers trading strategies, without even missing a beat! 😂

  • @RetJim
    @RetJim หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow very good video, POV I didn't think of. So far from trading, I see that there a strategies that can help get that edge, but the best strategies are the ones that keep you in the trade longer while managing low risk. So for me (and this can change after writing this) that would be Supply and Demand, why? because that is literally what moves markets! Thank you for the video

  • @bluefish225
    @bluefish225 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Best video I’ve seen on this topic!!!

  • @lawrenceobioma
    @lawrenceobioma ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Quant Py, I believe all this is relative to the risk someone is willing to take as well as their expertise. I use Amibroker as my testing platform (a very sophisticated platform that I was introduced to on TH-cam), and test strategies across hundreds of markets to creative relatively high performing portfolios using very very strict parameters. Yes my background is in computer science, and I might have more of a grasp of this world than the average retail trader. I definitely don't think it's something that someone can put the time to understand and perform well in if they stay in their lane that sacrifices high frequency of reward for more strict and low frequency trading. It also takes constant integration and testing to adapt to the constant changes in markets over the months/years.. (depending on your time frame)

  • @hasanx8317
    @hasanx8317 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The gold analogy is very good. And yes, nowdays alphas can't be found with a seive, they need to be studied with academic high-level data science approach. Just the same way these new gold mining machinery is designed and developed

  • @brockobama257
    @brockobama257 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there a way to arbitrage the market? I am very new, but I know with sports betting between two bookkeepers you can create arbitrage bets against each of them. Can the same be done in trading? The context is obviously very different.

    • @b1ueocean
      @b1ueocean 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes but not as a retail trader.
      You'll need to be a price maker/taker across multiple institutional venues and exchanges, operating under institutional execution terms.
      Most retail accounts for example won't let you bid or offer inside the prevailing spread.
      And most retailers won't be setup to buy in Venue A and sell in Venue B. Institutional price aggregators offering Prime Execution Services open up such opportunities to professional market participants.

  • @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ1248
    @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ1248 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I trade a manual algorithm the NNFX way and that works for me

  • @inoidontyes3839
    @inoidontyes3839 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I get what u are saying but also some tools are as they stated and are just a means of you automating a strategy you have or future ideas. It’s not like they are giving you a strategy and saying it will work just because you automate it. It is YOUR strategy so whether it works or not is up to you. Those institutions just have strategies that work for them and they’ve automated it possible using their own in house tech guy and softwares. I won’t say a retail software will work as fast because there are a lot of factor but depending on your strategy just as fast may not be what you need.

  • @Abdul-ku2qu
    @Abdul-ku2qu ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I started backtesting some strategies with years of data on a 5m ohlcv timeframe. Got some strategies which make me around 800% ROI each year. And like each month almost the same amount of winning percentage.
    Still developing as a side project a real stable live trading bot to take these strategies into the practical world but I am very curious what you think about it? Would there be a high chance of this being over fitted for historical data or could it actually work and make profit because I backtested it with lots of data?

    • @RedragonMedia
      @RedragonMedia ปีที่แล้ว +1

      SO you can make 8X every year? I will wait until your Net worth be a Million dollar & you open A Hedge Fund Firm.
      Iff you can do that I will give you 1 grand for your Bullshit 😂😂😂

    • @C-ly-de
      @C-ly-de ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey I'm happy to hear that for you I want to get into algorithm trading and wanted to know what study did you do and how long did it took you to get where you are

    • @prithvidhyani1991
      @prithvidhyani1991 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      800% ROI with consistent win rates each month? what's your sharpe ratio? 8? lol of course it is massively overfit.

  • @navketan1965
    @navketan1965 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    SEEK YOUR WISDOM SIR, I have 2 choices--1) buy one given forex pair every new day at the open at market price wth take profit(TP) 50 pips and stop loss(SL)50 pips on one ticket as one order 2) second choice is to buy same pair but order is placed as pending order at the open of every new day--buy the same forex pair 100 pips below the open price as pending order with take profit of 50 pips and stop loss of 50 pips all on the same ticket.And after one year of every day trading which strategy is more likely to make any money?And what answer SUPERCOMPUTER would give to my question?

  • @RavenRaven-se6lr
    @RavenRaven-se6lr 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good analysis-Bring it back to reality a product! Well explained- know amount of resources on earth 🌎 for profit-Alpha is my new knowledge thanks

  • @lamhkak47
    @lamhkak47 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love how there're many bot-liked comments getting pushed to the top in here

  • @jmin9313
    @jmin9313 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very informative. Really tired of all the fakes. Keep up!

  • @windsurfing47
    @windsurfing47 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is one of the best videos out there on financial education! I am going to make it a requirement for my students.

    • @cyberfunk3793
      @cyberfunk3793 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This video was 20 minutes of self evident stuff that everybody should know already: a) making profit is hard b) brokers and institutions make money from other things like commissions. If someone didn't know all this before watching this video, they should not be trading anyway.

  • @user-eh9jo9ep5r
    @user-eh9jo9ep5r 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Johnatan how is it possible to transfer cryptocurrency to your account for HFT traiding under your control?

  • @tehehe5929
    @tehehe5929 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why strategy #1 and #3 are not the same? They are the exact same thing for me: fee for a service.

  • @pigachejean-eric8537
    @pigachejean-eric8537 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So, guaranted IS not reachable by retails.
    Guaranted IS also u tube, as far as WE Can use infos. Tks.

  • @islander888
    @islander888 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I will never show how my bot works or sell it to anyone. It's the same for almost all successful traders out there who have created a working algorithm. The reason why traders sell their bots is because they know their bots doesn't work in the long run.

  • @eieihan2302
    @eieihan2302 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So you saying is that brokers take retail traders data and provide that information to the market makers.

  • @user-lg8ws3bw4e
    @user-lg8ws3bw4e 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    your strategies do work but it would be very nice of you if you make videos on how you study the candles and the market volatility/movement. Love from India.

  • @SouKube
    @SouKube 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There's almost nothing wrong with click baits. But I think this was too much. As there was hardly any content. I hate throwing dirt at something just to make a point. You may have heard some point that may have been useful for someone. At the end there was not much relation to the topic.

  • @desertstormer7556
    @desertstormer7556 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Made an entire set of algo scripts, backtested them and verified their results, fixed all issues that are hidden in the field and finally got a morning making machine so that a guy on youtube can tell me its all fake?

    • @bundandbarb8682
      @bundandbarb8682 ปีที่แล้ว

      Discord??

    • @Unknowngfyjoh
      @Unknowngfyjoh ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Does it work for you to make profits in live trading?

    • @ChrisosIDK
      @ChrisosIDK ปีที่แล้ว

      Same!... I have good profits in live too.

  • @drfranz29
    @drfranz29 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have coded several common retail trading strategies and man oh man dont they work in the long run 😄 What works for me is personalised methods which also have a limited working period

  • @drmustafa99
    @drmustafa99 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hi is there any room to develop winning strategies for trading using GPT by developing AI bots?

  • @pfdoran
    @pfdoran ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you find a high beta stock (3>) and buy in a bull market or sell in a bear market (according to federal spending), surely you will find a significant annualised alpha since you are essentially playing 3x whatever the according market is.

    • @resa574
      @resa574 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      - “Just time the market bro”

  • @cavesalamander6308
    @cavesalamander6308 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I especially like trainers who talk about their crazy earnings and... encourage you to pay for their courses. It looks strange: usually those people who have money are not particularly interested in attracting all sorts of beggars and teaching them something.

    • @vasanthpragash854
      @vasanthpragash854 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don't you like the TH-cam crypto or investments scam bot thread?
      Oh the markets are really hard and growth but I'm really glad I'm still able to make $xxxx a week.
      Then some one asks how and they name drop some unicorn guru with an email id or Whatsapp number in a funny format.

  • @ssj4vrn
    @ssj4vrn ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The big question is, why would anyone share alpha? If alpha is shared , the participants would use it and it probably would not be alpha anymore.

    • @tvviewer4500
      @tvviewer4500 ปีที่แล้ว

      People are dumb. They don’t ask big questions. These programs are to make herds of dumb investors for the financial companies to use to move markets.

    • @don_huzan
      @don_huzan ปีที่แล้ว

      Would it become beta then?

    • @tvviewer4500
      @tvviewer4500 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@don_huzan It becomes Pi. Pi for the financial companies to eat.

    • @don_huzan
      @don_huzan ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tvviewer4500 haha good one

    • @selfless727
      @selfless727 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is exactly true…..I find it funny that people want to open trading academies to “teach everyone” thinking their edge will still maintain. The painful truth is not everyone CAN be successful….there needs to be losers for there to be winners.

  • @StevenSmith68828
    @StevenSmith68828 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why would anyone publish a money printing machine. Just motive alone is enough for me not to believe. Also there is no libraries that do time series forecasting with random forests (not a quant) maybe you guys know of some in python.

  • @bilgisever_kullanici
    @bilgisever_kullanici ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I make money with python and mql. It’s not easy to develop a stable strategy but still possible at least I did it.

    • @C-ly-de
      @C-ly-de ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm glad to hear that besides python and mql what did you have to learn to be able to make money
      I'm completely new to algorithm trading

  • @pccrypto
    @pccrypto ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It's easier to show how hard finding alpha is by looking at hedge funds and which ones actually make money in the end. They are primarily after alpha.

    • @HermanWillems
      @HermanWillems ปีที่แล้ว

      And they are all Quant based on massive super computers.

    • @pccrypto
      @pccrypto ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HermanWillems not all, there are many 'stupid' hedge funds too ;)

  • @cevalier
    @cevalier 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    well, actually I use my own model and input manually. I will not write the code in any platform since I am afraid can be however in many ways be stolen

  • @Penfold__
    @Penfold__ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What do you mean that you can't create a strategy that spits out a sharpe ratio of 10 in 3 lines of code? But...what about my moving average crossover idea???

  • @willowkonrad8893
    @willowkonrad8893 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The best model is to simply control the market prices. That takes out all the guess work, Show them your stop loss so they can wipe out your trade.

  • @landon.wilkins
    @landon.wilkins 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Appreciate the book recommendation. Thanks mate!

  • @jakemckinnon9411
    @jakemckinnon9411 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    a bloke with his head screwed on! and he's an aussie too! awesome stuff mate