How I did it without AA. THE SMALL BOOK: HOW I BEAT ALCOHOLISM AND WHY ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS DOESN'T WORK. by Charles Hurst www.amazon.com/SMALL-BOOK-ALCOHOLISM-ALCOHOLICS-DOESNT-ebook/dp/B08VGVJ39K
It works for some people. They should stick to it. I personally don’t like to make sobriety a major part of my identity. I used to drink, now I don’t. I don’t see a point of dwelling on the past.
"I don't see a point of dwelling on the past". Totally agree, which is why I attend "Step" meetings. Step meetings are the tools by which our "Today's, and Tomorrow's go from good to great!
I used to be addicted to AA, it was what I slept, ate and lived. It did help in its own way. It’s just full of shitty people mostly who are really out for themselves. If you truly connect and build a king lasting friendship with ONE person for life, that’s a win. It doesn’t mean you have to keep subjecting yourself to the BS AA promotes and is full of. Way too many crappy ppl for me. Get sober on your own is my advice. Stay away from drama.
If people could "get sober on their own", there would be no reason for rehab facilities, 12 Step programs, or other avenues to recovery, no legal problems...after the first DUI, no Court System cases piled up like firewood, no MADD, no probation, no incarceration...after the first one, and far, far fewer people ending up DEAD, because of alcohol. Apparently you believe in "self will run riot" to rid yourself of a fatal condition. As you wish!
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 More gibberish based on such flimsy experience, that we can see through you! Keep up the great work Charles, we'll be right here for you!
After my 48 year marriage fell apart I ended up dating a "recovered alcoholic" and learned just how dependent she was on her "group". She'd been sober for 26yrs even though in fact, she'd been sober for 40 but to a alcoholic, if they take one drink and "don't get the benefit of the buzz" they've fallen off the wagon and start the clock over. The point is, they've traded one dependency on another-the group! They even have conventions where they have break out sessions and exchange stories about how lousy their lives were when they were drinking. I gave up chronic pot smoking well over 40 years ago and asked her why alcoholics continue to label themselves as such and never let it go when I could label myself as a pothead but refuse to. Anyway, at the end of the day, even though I believe and feel that we deeply loved one another, she just couldn't face life with a "normy" (the label alcoholics give to those of us who grew up in a solid, loving home without alcoholics) and ended up leaving. Lesson learned, I have been super cautious about building a relationship with anyone who's baggage weighs more than they do.
More than anything I pretty much won't try to respond much to the ones in the comments who tell me "I'm 10 years and beyond sober, thanks to AA." My question is, why would someone need to go to AA after their neurochemistry has readjusted? Why do they feel the need to be in the rooms night after night with that much time sober? I quit, the withdrawal passed, the protracted withdrawal passed two years later. Periodically I get a twinge craving--I ignore it and it goes away now within minutes. I'm too busy living my sober life to spend time talking about my former life. Cheers, DCF
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 I've been sober 29 years through the help of AA. At this point, I don't need AA to stay sober but I can help others who are confused and just starting out. The most important part of AA to me is the fellowship. I have friends there; the coffee is hot, and the donuts are low calorie (that part's a lie 😀). I'm also a licensed counselor. I went back to school after being sober 8 years and I work part time in the field now since I'm old and retired. One thing that is important, AA is NOT the only solution. There are many alternatives out there that can help, particularly for someone who is just getting sober. AA isn't my life, but it helped me get my life back. Most of my friends in AA think the same way. Whatever works for you is what you should be doing
The cult members always attack when you offer people another way to stop drinking. Idk why it infuriates them so much that people actually can solve their issue through another way
The "cult members" don't give a damn if someone stands on their head for an hour, and believes in the Tooth Fairy, if it keeps them sober. We have better things to do than criticize another avenue to recovery, because we understand the fatal nature of alcoholism. In the interest of helping people recover, please enlighten me about "another way" so I can stop going to those damn meetings!
My wife and I never went to AA either. Sitting in a room with other people, acknowledging that we're hopeless and can't get sober without a higher power, talking about something we can never have again, experiencing shame for actions we did on a highly addictive drug. WE got sober ourselves. It wasn't a higher power, it was US. We're 1 year 9 months sober today.
Hey congratulations. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Look for The Anti AA Channel coming out in a year and a half. Showing people a better way to regain your life---charles
Well I’m sober through CA, what works for some doesn’t work for others your resentment for AA is deep you should focus on your own recovery and leave others to there’s. Many things you mentioned in this video about what you’ve heard I’ve never heard in meetings.
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 Because we're not arrogant enough to believe we know everything about recovery. That's just for starters. How about the insanity of stopping the very thing that has given us life in abundance? Or the wonderful friendships we've established over the years? Are you just going to say to your closest friends, "Well, goodbye and thanks for everything"? Or the responsibility of being in a meeting when someone shows up ready to jump off a bridge? Are you not capable of thinking beyond the end of your nose, or are you just willfully ignorant?
I’ll say it all to save you guys some time. “You’re just a dry drunk, not recovered.” “You’re so close to drinking, you just don’t know it.” “The program didn’t fail you, you failed the program.” “You’re not a real alcoholic.” “See ya when you’re ready to really recover.” There…I said all the criticism.
AA doesn’t charge a penny. We give books to new people. Is your book free? Cult? AA has no leaders. AA says take it or leave it. AA wants members to repair relationships, not isolate from family. AA acknowledges and encourages people to try other methods if they think AA is not for them. They usually come back when those other programs don’t work. AA works for anyone who puts half as much effort into it as they did trying to control their drinking. Attending two meetings is statistically insignificant.
I am very happy for your sobriety. Good for you. What is concerning is your judgement of all AA based on going to two meetings, as everyone knows that all meetings are not the same. And, it's not for everyone, but it is there for the ones who have tried everything else, to no avail.
I think it depends on whether your truly at rock bottom. For some people they have nothing else. No friends or family left to support their healing journey.,For them AA takes on that roll. GRATZ to you for being able to go cold turkey, the success rate of that is lower then having AA help.
Then you make something else. Physical fitness, meditative program, career advancement and enhance every aspect of your life. Not sitting smoking in the rooms rehashing your past for 20-30 years in a program that fails most
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 No one has smoked in an AA meeting in almost 20 years. FAIL! "Rehashing" is not sobriety, and is only used for context. FAIL! Just out of curiosity, how many years did you sit in a smoke filled bar, "rehashing" your life with a drink? You were obviously doing such a great job with your life, that you ended up in a few AA meetings. Totally laughable!
Because they are hurting people. Lowering the chances of beating an addiction I beat with a holistic method that isn't offered and stealing their lives for the rooms. My next channel will be solely on Anti AA to hopefully take as many people away from the failed program as possible.
@@perryroberts4353 statistics show a very small % stay sober with AA. It is a very dated program that, although people feel extremely connected to (like a cult) It sets people up to think they will fail, and that they are weak. I don't think the youtubers message was negative, just that maybe it's time for a different method.
More people quit on their own that’s a statistical fact. But they weren’t the real alcoholics lol okay my dad has 20 years and he’s a great person today. Nothing like the guy I grew up with, no sober birthday date no nothing he doesn’t even think much of it anymore. This was a guy that quit in his 60s, and was literally a stage five alcoholic. The guy couldn’t even go to the bathroom and constantly fell down. 24 everyday for years. Glad to have him as a powerful example in my life.
My wife is 40 years sobor with aa, i tell her aa might have been there, but she did it, not god or twelve steps but her own inner strength. What aa does do is let you know you are not alone. But it is a bit cultish.
"A very failed program". Right, because being focused on the absolute freedom to "live to good purpose", is a terrible thing. The horror of it all! The presenter of this doesn't know how much he doesn't know.
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 Fact is, the majority can't or won't put forth a fraction of the effort to get sober, compared to the monumental effort they put into drinking--that's it.
Good to hear the most successful recovery program in history doesn’t work now. Thank goodness you found all the answers. Thank you Charlie for saving us all
I feel that if you need to go to a meeting every night and your whole life revolves around staying away from bad influences then the DOC is still running your life.
So, AA's been working splendidly for me, coming up on 18 years sober and loving it. If you have an alternative or better method, I say BLESS IT, but you might shift your focus away from just pissing on AA to simply offering your alterative "better" method and ATTRACTING addicts/alcoholics rather than just venting some sort of resentment about AA. Good Luck!
If your form of sobriety is so good, why are you still so angry about something that you tried twice, 15 years ago? Do you not have anything better to do with all the spare time you have while not in meetings?
I'm not angry at all. But I am 80% retired so I have plenty of time and will in less than a year have a channel focusing specifically on why AA doesn't work---and for most it doesn't--regardless of your reasons why most who enter your doors do not remain sober. Alternative methods are working that focus on cure. And I will do everything I can to get people away from the cult that fails so many.
All of these AA "debunking" videos either come across as smart assy guys such as yourself shitting on something to that genuinely helps people, or like when someone can't be happy for someone getting well.
Nope, I'm the guy who is over 16 years sober without AA. AA fails most--period. No matter how many times the proponents keep saying how they help people that is the data outside of one very biased study from Stanford. You fail the huge majority and the ones who don't are afraid to leave the rooms after years begin sober--which is ridiculous. You have physically unhealthy lifestyles with your smoking, caffeine and sugar intake (which actually induces cravings) and you live in the past in your circles every night rehashing your days with John Barleycorn which is also not mentally healthy. I have very few cravings that last maybe a minute and are infrequent. I rarely think about alcohol. The only time I'll be thinking about alcoholism is my new coming channel which I hope to pull as many people out of the failed toxicity that AA promotes as I can. You're a failed program that should have modified its methods once people realized Bill and Bob's methods were failing the majority. You reinvent your life by a physical fitness program, clean diet and meditative program. Then you advance every aspect of your life. And you leave the past behind.
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 Wow.....fantastic...you seem so knowledgeable and have so much life experience and such wisdom....Your judgements are perfection and absolutely no projection going on with you. How do you manage to remain so impartial, objective, compassionate, non-judgemental and so measured? Wish I was a perfect human being like you and knew it all. You make such precise, accurate, intelligent judgements. Wow...no 'contempt prior to investigation' with you or humility for critical thinking you just know all the answers. You know it all without any professional research or understanding..........fantastic, what a gift. I am sure the whole world is going to be cured by your approach. You are the one who is right and anyone who disagrees with you must be wrong and you obviously have no ego!!! Carl Jung the eminent psychotherapist and a contributer to the formation of AA obviously didn't know as much as you. 😊 Finally congratulations you mention "Physically unhealthy lifestyles"......brilliant discovery...no one has ever thought of that one!!!
have you considered that AA also hurts and alienates some addicts? that AA and NA have both been barriers to recovery for some? if it works for you that’s fine but the rest of us have every right to speak about where the program fails us. and it’s perfectly fair to critique a program that was written by christians in the 1930s. our understanding of psychology and addiction a hundred years ago was garbage, of course we should hold century old treatments up to scrutiny.
@@notreal-duh With respect I suggest you research Carl Jung born over 100 years ago (Born 1875 died 1961). We studied his work at Uni along with many others (many years ago) and his work and wisdom is still valued and respected to this day certainly no factual evidence it was "garbage". He said once; "Thinking is difficult, that's why most people judge." We human beings have a tendency to attribute all that is blameworthy on someone or something else without looking within ourselves and being honest about our own defects and contributions to a problem......it's just another maladaptive defense to avoid taking any responsibility. Listen to opposing politicians, they do it all the time. I wish you well and hope you find the right path for you.
@@nickmn6108 Exactly Nick! Mr. "Reinvention" is erroneously convinced that by attending a few AA meetings, he now has the wisdom and intellectual capacity to save the alcoholic world from catastrophe. Geezus, Mary, and Joseph, if only he had come along 90 years ago! As you said, "What a gift"...to the comedic world! Rodney Dangerfield has NOTHING on Charlie!
It's unfortunate the man went to two meetings. Did you give the steps a shot? Did you work on the ego that Carl Jung, the world renowned psychologist has written so extensively about? This has gotta be the most egocentric, Holier Than Thou video I have seen besides the recent presidential debate. I have gotten my life back. Traveled the world. Gotten married. Bought a house. Feel inner peace regularly. Have a group of friends I never believed imaginable. I wish you continuous sobriety and hope you one day, find inner peace, my friend.
Why would I give a shot to a program that fails most? And they do. 16 years sober and completely at peace. I hope to give that to people trapped in the rooms for life.
Have you seen the state of our addiction/homeless crisis? I'll stick with the path that works for me. I don't have a problem with different avenues that people get sober and better their lives. When you take to the internet to trash a path that has saved millions, it is the epitome of arrogance and ignorance.
AA works for more than 25 million people worldwide for almost a century. But he.. if it’s not for you, it’s not for you and you’re free to choose whatever feels good for you to recover from addiction. My opinion is to share your way of recovery by how you did and do it instead of constanty complain about your experience with AA and what’s so bad about it in your perspective. I do not attend meetings anymore for years and years. But the fundament i build thanks to AA is still intact. It made me a better person for life! The last 5 years i’m looking for deeper connection on a spiritual level. I have no reason to complain SO MUCH about what’s not good about AA. And although i don’t attend any meetings anymore for the last 7 years, it did saved my life! If you have to make a video about why AA is not good for you, and complain so much about it, you must have serious issues. Just focus on your recovery, with or without AA. Everyone is free to choose.
No, for almost a century it has failed most--not some---most. Great that you aren't reliant on it anymore and hopefully not smoking and are living a healthy lifestyle---most in the circles don't. The ones who stay sober which are a minority are addicted to the rooms. And BTW---I went to two meetings but grew up with alcoholics in my family, went to the support groups prior to the meetings I went to and read countless AA books and literature. I know what AA is. It's a failed program that tells you that you are a forever addict. I have an entire channel coming out in less than a year specifically on why AA fails most and why alternative methods like Passages don't. I hope to get as many away from this cult as I can.
Before you critique it, I suggest you do a wee bit more research than attend a couple meetings. If you had read any actual original AA literature you would have found, in the forward to the first edition of the "Big Book" that it says, "We are more 100 men and women who have RECOVERED from a seemingly hopeless state of mind and body". The word recovered is used multiple times in the Big Book. Yes, you can go into far too many meetings today as hear what you heard. You'll be forever sick, always in some phase of recovery, just one drink away from disaster. That jargon is what has leaked out of treatment centers over the decades. It's not traditional AA belief. Yes, meetings are not perfect nor are they for everyone. It also states in our original literature that "we have no corner on this market and wish the best for those that have found another way". If AA has made any mistake over the years, I would say the biggest one is trying to be all things to all people. We're not that. I have 39 years of continuous sobriety and have been active in AA, sometimes more, some less, for that entire period. Why do I still go? Because somebody must be there to tell the newcomer that they can indeed recover from this, never drink again, and live a happy and productive life. It was given freely to me, and it is an obligation that I do the same. We're not perfect, never claimed to be, have plenty of bullshit in our game. In essence we are a reflection of our screwed-up society, but for some people it works. The statistics of recovery are horrible. That only demonstrates just how insidious this affliction is once it gets it's hooks into you. You found another way. Good for you. You can share that other way without bad mouthing what you clearly don't fully understand. I suggest you try that approach, and you may be able to help many people.
Oh please. I went to a couple of different places and both got into a heated argument about cure vs continued recovery. My brother was also in AA for a few years before he left it as well as other family members who all said the same thing. I've talked to many AA members from different places all over the country--same dialogue. I was in the open meetings for family members-- same dialogue. What you're saying may be an exception but it isn't the rule with AA. Look at some of the other comments from people who left it. Same story.
@@charleshurstreinvention3959AS speaks about people like you saying you weren’t as seriously afflicted as the founders, some can get quit and stay quit not all that’s what makes “real alcoholics” so baffling,
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 did You or your family read the big book ? 12 steps and 12 traditions ? The free pamphlets at every AA meeting? As bill sees it , drop the rock ? If you had a bad experience in AA meetings I’m sorry, bill tries to tell us repeatedly love and tolerance is our code
The reason for the 5-10% Success rate is the actual structure of AA. It's not based in reality. It's Christianity. You would be better off going to church. Christianity does the same thing. The church blames the person if things are not working for them. You're not pretending hard enough.
I recall reading that AA works for about 5% of the people who attend (based on what studies, I don't know) - these 5% are those who really need someone or something external to help them direct their lives. For most other people, it's inherently disempowering and the overt religiosity of it can be very off-putting.
I always say this--what would be better for long and permanent cure. One who is on a physical fitness program, clean diet, no smoking and meditative program---while progressing their career and all planes of self? That's what I did at now over 16 years sober. OR--the AA method. Rehashing the past every meeting of an alcoholic. Smoking. Not exercising. Ten years sober and still feel you have to be in the rooms but yet tell me how you are living your best life? This channel will be done soon---in terms of new videos. Because the niche was oversaturated. My other channel is doing well. But guess what videos did well in this failed channel---the Anti AA ones. I've got twelve videos, blogs and podcasts ready. When I have a year's worth in advance I will be launching The Anti AA Channel. Look for it in about a year or so from now. Cheers, Charles
AA is just one of a myriad of approaches to quitting drinking, so why is it that those who fail and go back to drinking blame AA for their personal failures? I don't know. All I know is that my battel with alcohol ended over 43 years ago when I surrendered and admitted that I was a alcoholic and did somethIng it by going to a AA meeting and starting to work the program to the best of my ability. Whatever floats your boat and works for you is fine with me. I don't blame anyone or anything else for my personal failures. So if blaming others for your personal failures is what works for you then by all means go ahead. I wish you well and best of luck on the remainder of your journey. It took me seven years of in and out of the rooms of AA to finally figure out that if I wanted the program to work then I was the one who needed to put in the work and that is what I did and the results speak for itself. The AA program works only if you work it. Take care and God bless.
If you were able to just stop drinking, you were never a chronic alcoholic. The reason people don't recover in AA is because they don't actually do the 12 steps, they just go to meetings and wonder why it doesn't work. Get a life....
@@ts109 you're ignorant... it's not a crutch, nor is it a cure; it's a set of instructions that, if followed, will enable people to connect to a Higher Power in order to obtain the power to overcome alcoholism. Lack of power is our dilemma. It's yours too, but like I said, you're ignorant.
Hi charlie I highly recommend you listen to bill finley’s 7 part AA big book discussion from Lorain Ohio, he delves deep into the big book what it all means and the history behind AA and its origins. The sole purpose of the book big to enable a person to find a power greater than themselves . If you’ve found an Alternqte path to recovery god bless you ! You’ll never need treatment or detox again
n the Big Book, "recovered" is prioritized, with no room for relapse; it's not part of the program's philosophy. Discussions center on solutions, not problems
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 "relapse is part of recovery" isn't meant to be taken literally. It simply means it is a risk if you don't pay attention. I've had patients in treatment with more than 20 years sober because they got complacent and "cured" themselves
I'm leading a meeting tomorrow so of course i have to talk myself out of what i been doing on and off for 44 years. Like Amway in my twenties I read Amway the cult of free enterprise and my upline went ballistic lol.
I suppose you still have soap stockpiled in your garage. 😉 (Before I got sober, I worked at the airport in Grand Rapids, and drove right past Amway everyday. Ada, Michigan)
44 years and you are going to meetings still--that is my point. 2 points actually---outside of the outlier study from Standford the consensus is your program fails most. @2nd point---the minority who succeed are trapped forever in the rooms which is ridiculous. That's what AA needs to think about
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 2 points that YOU need to think about. First, the "program" is NOT the issue. Most people fail because they aren't willing to hear the truth about themselves. WE are ALL flawed human beings. If I'm not interested in finding out what my flaws are, how can I take action to mitigate or correct them? I can't possibly get to the place I want to be, if I don't know where I am. After that, recovery is all about living to good purpose. Resolving family, health, employment/income, and legal issues, and being useful, trustworthy, compassionate, and responsible members of our communities. Second, NOBODY is "trapped forever" in the rooms. We have complete freedom to come and go as we please. But...maybe it's just possible that our lives have gotten so good, and with the true friendships we've established, that going to meetings is something we enjoy. As soon as I think I know everything about my emotional maturity, I render myself "NOT TEACHABLE". We don't believe in "smash and grab" sobriety, where we want the maximum benefit, for the least amount of effort.
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 By your own admission, you have next to nothing in the way of ACTUAL experience with AA. Yet here you are, suggesting that you know what "AA needs to think about". You are the kid who just rode the dime Pony in front of the grocery store, and thinks he's Wyatt Earp! 😂
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 Continuing to attend meetings is no different than a grandfather/grandmother passing down a skill, knowledge, experience, wisdom, and expertise about a hobby, job, some difficulty in life, etc, etc. It benefits everyone, but we don't expect you to understand, because you have no ACTUAL experience with AA. Sorry Charlie!
1:00 the big book talks about people like you, It says you weren’t as seriously alcoholic as the founders were! Some ppl don’t need 12 steps some day, there’s a reason AA’s 12 steps has been copied, before AA behavior modification and psychology was tried with Rolan hazard and Carl young, it didn’t work. AA was born from the Oxford movement and Christianity ✝️
AA needs constructive criticism and needs to make many changes to best help folks struggling with alcohol dependence. However, this snarky, blanket condemnation is not an insightful analysis of what is wrong and what is right with 12 Step groups.
No organization is perfect, including Alcoholics Anonymous. The "changes", however must come from the individual. Allow me to translate...If a person cannot, or will not move their feet differently, all of the help in the world will NOT save them from a fatal condition. The truth is, true sobriety is about being ok in the midst of chaos, or at 3:18am, when you're all alone and it's pin drop quiet. All the best to you John.
U must get a kick back from these drunk places. Like Passages. They are for the extremely wealthy drunks that have daddy's money. It's not called AA but ur there for the same reason, but at least u get nice sunsets for the money.
I think the point of this video is supposed to enlighten the power of the self without the assistance of a program. I've been to AA and what I've observed is they are creating a new addictive relationship with their program. So you don't drink because you are now addicted to the groups and the program. It's a strange mental conditioning/brainwashing that happens
That is exactly right. Look at their comments--"it helps millions of people" when in actuality it fails most. "It's done wonders for me" as they sit in the rooms, afraid to leave ten years sober. There will be no more videos on this channel--as the vids that got the attention were anti AA which is the channel that will launch in a little over a year, which I'm making videos for now. Stay tuned for THE ANTI AA CHANNEL.
I see alcohol was not your lord & savior. only a real alcoholic is their lord & savior: step one powerless ? over the lord & savior of your choice. Pick any alcoholic drink in store. What else would you be powerless over🤔 Now for the state law separation of state & religion that’s another topic.
The AA big big does say you can recover. Meetings have people that say recovering and others that say recovered. I don't do many meetings maybe 1 or 2 a month and I'm sober and recovered for nearly 10 years and I'm active in the community. Like everything you get out what you put in
Huge difference from recovering a state of hopelessness as it says versus beating the addiction and proclaiming being cured from it which no one in AA says. They clearly state it is lifelong as a process which is destructive and nonsense. You don't pick up the bottle again--reinvent yourself and left all thoughts of AA behind. My Anti AA channel will launch in ten months. The episodes will show why this program is such a massive failure.
I would love to talk to you. You’re way off base. I don’t think it’s fair for you to bad mouth AA. It has helped way more people that you have. Promote your way sure. But half way into your video you have done nothing but bad mouth AA.
100's of 1000's of people world wide have 1000's of years of sobriety as a result of AA. That is a fact. So Charlie saying it doesn't work is only an opionion and not a fact. You are a dangrous man spreading ill informed view that may stop people teying a proven method of recovery. Charlie why not focus on telling people what has worked for you rather than slated something yoi are ill equiped to talk about. By slating Aa which is peoven to work for some you may put off someone from going who it was the ideal mode of recovery for. As I stated mot omly are tou dangerous but your views could actually be killing people. Please consider this.
First, outside of a biased study from Stanford, all other studies not only say AA fails most but hugely so. Second, it traps the minority who stay sober in the rooms with unhealthy lifestyle. Period. If you think hanging out in the rooms 5-6 nights a week ten years sober is healthy you are high on a different psyche drug--AA cult mantras. It's going to get more dangerous Steven---this channel will end in a month. But my next one will focus only on AA and I hope to pull as many of your people out as I can so they can have a holistic recovery and regain their person. Cheers, Charles----16 years sober.
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 This is the guy, who by his own admission, has next to ZERO ACTUAL EXPERIENCE with AA, but thinks he knows. Like a toddler who has ridden the dime Pony in front of the grocery store, and thinks he's Wyatt Earp! 🐴
I'm almost 17 years sober and rarely have cravings nor think about alcohol. And I'm not spending my offtime rehashing my story in the rooms most nights---that's my point. Physical fitness, emotional meditation and progression in Self of all planes will do far better than the miserable failure rate in AA. I hope you catch my specific oncoming channel that will launch in a year on the why and how--cheers Charles
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 we will keep one for Ya though, you might need it some day. Time ain’t nothing. A day at a time if not, an hour or a minute. Folks AA just might work for you. Never post in finalities. Life might creep up on you.
"Two meetings" to "Find out what it was all about"??? THAT'S some world class arrogance, and delusion to conclude that you know "what it's all about". I suppose two flying lessons makes you a pilot. I wouldn't take this guy's advice about crossing the street!
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How I did it without AA. THE SMALL BOOK: HOW I BEAT ALCOHOLISM AND WHY ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS DOESN'T WORK. by Charles Hurst
www.amazon.com/SMALL-BOOK-ALCOHOLISM-ALCOHOLICS-DOESNT-ebook/dp/B08VGVJ39K
It works for some people. They should stick to it. I personally don’t like to make sobriety a major part of my identity. I used to drink, now I don’t. I don’t see a point of dwelling on the past.
Fuck no. Definitely self control and partially truths here and there. Never keep going if triggered. ALL THE TIME. No-No
"I don't see a point of dwelling on the past". Totally agree, which is why I attend "Step" meetings. Step meetings are the tools by which our "Today's, and Tomorrow's go from good to great!
@@jorgeescalante9940 Try some "self control" on your lack of understanding. Fuck ya.
Boom ... Right answer.. I can tell u the formula to be sober= Don't do drugs
I used to be addicted to AA, it was what I slept, ate and lived. It did help in its own way. It’s just full of shitty people mostly who are really out for themselves. If you truly connect and build a king lasting friendship with ONE person for life, that’s a win. It doesn’t mean you have to keep subjecting yourself to the BS AA promotes and is full of. Way too many crappy ppl for me. Get sober on your own is my advice. Stay away from drama.
And reinvent your own life, not the life a sponsor wants you to have
If people could "get sober on their own", there would be no reason for rehab facilities, 12 Step programs, or other avenues to recovery, no legal problems...after the first DUI, no Court System cases piled up like firewood, no MADD, no probation, no incarceration...after the first one, and far, far fewer people ending up DEAD, because of alcohol.
Apparently you believe in "self will run riot" to rid yourself of a fatal condition. As you wish!
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 More gibberish based on such flimsy experience, that we can see through you! Keep up the great work Charles, we'll be right here for you!
After my 48 year marriage fell apart I ended up dating a "recovered alcoholic" and learned just how dependent she was on her "group". She'd been sober for 26yrs even though in fact, she'd been sober for 40 but to a alcoholic, if they take one drink and "don't get the benefit of the buzz" they've fallen off the wagon and start the clock over. The point is, they've traded one dependency on another-the group! They even have conventions where they have break out sessions and exchange stories about how lousy their lives were when they were drinking. I gave up chronic pot smoking well over 40 years ago and asked her why alcoholics continue to label themselves as such and never let it go when I could label myself as a pothead but refuse to. Anyway, at the end of the day, even though I believe and feel that we deeply loved one another, she just couldn't face life with a "normy" (the label alcoholics give to those of us who grew up in a solid, loving home without alcoholics) and ended up leaving. Lesson learned, I have been super cautious about building a relationship with anyone who's baggage weighs more than they do.
More than anything I pretty much won't try to respond much to the ones in the comments who tell me "I'm 10 years and beyond sober, thanks to AA." My question is, why would someone need to go to AA after their neurochemistry has readjusted? Why do they feel the need to be in the rooms night after night with that much time sober? I quit, the withdrawal passed, the protracted withdrawal passed two years later. Periodically I get a twinge craving--I ignore it and it goes away now within minutes. I'm too busy living my sober life to spend time talking about my former life. Cheers, DCF
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 I've been sober 29 years through the help of AA. At this point, I don't need AA to stay sober but I can help others who are confused and just starting out. The most important part of AA to me is the fellowship. I have friends there; the coffee is hot, and the donuts are low calorie (that part's a lie 😀). I'm also a licensed counselor. I went back to school after being sober 8 years and I work part time in the field now since I'm old and retired. One thing that is important, AA is NOT the only solution. There are many alternatives out there that can help, particularly for someone who is just getting sober. AA isn't my life, but it helped me get my life back. Most of my friends in AA think the same way. Whatever works for you is what you should be doing
The cult members always attack when you offer people another way to stop drinking. Idk why it infuriates them so much that people actually can solve their issue through another way
The "cult members" don't give a damn if someone stands on their head for an hour, and believes in the Tooth Fairy, if it keeps them sober. We have better things to do than criticize another avenue to recovery, because we understand the fatal nature of alcoholism.
In the interest of helping people recover, please enlighten me about "another way" so I can stop going to those damn meetings!
My sponsor tried playing amateur psychologist with me and the experience damn near killed me.
Ditto. Never again.
See....
" It works if you work it, it won't if you don't " You're probably right, but if its ok with you, I'm gonna keep going.
My wife and I never went to AA either. Sitting in a room with other people, acknowledging that we're hopeless and can't get sober without a higher power, talking about something we can never have again, experiencing shame for actions we did on a highly addictive drug. WE got sober ourselves. It wasn't a higher power, it was US. We're 1 year 9 months sober today.
Hey congratulations. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Look for The Anti AA Channel coming out in a year and a half. Showing people a better way to regain your life---charles
I left AA but learned a lot and am sober. Wayyyyy too much drama and bs. Huge egos and too many sickos in that program. No thx!
Well I’m sober through CA, what works for some doesn’t work for others your resentment for AA is deep you should focus on your own recovery and leave others to there’s. Many things you mentioned in this video about what you’ve heard I’ve never heard in meetings.
Also the big book tell you, that you recover
The AA program works(31 )years for me, but we never said we have cornered the market on staying sober
why would you be in the rooms after 31 years
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 Because we're not arrogant enough to believe we know everything about recovery. That's just for starters. How about the insanity of stopping the very thing that has given us life in abundance? Or the wonderful friendships we've established over the years? Are you just going to say to your closest friends, "Well, goodbye and thanks for everything"? Or the responsibility of being in a meeting when someone shows up ready to jump off a bridge?
Are you not capable of thinking beyond the end of your nose, or are you just willfully ignorant?
I’ll say it all to save you guys some time.
“You’re just a dry drunk, not recovered.”
“You’re so close to drinking, you just don’t know it.”
“The program didn’t fail you, you failed the program.”
“You’re not a real alcoholic.”
“See ya when you’re ready to really recover.”
There…I said all the criticism.
Time has proven Bill Wilson right, lsd can help with alcoholism.
No, time has proven that the majority fail.
Time has shown "addiction" and "alcoholism" are chronic conditions that can only be arrested not cure.
AA doesn’t charge a penny. We give books to new people. Is your book free?
Cult? AA has no leaders. AA says take it or leave it. AA wants members to repair relationships, not isolate from family.
AA acknowledges and encourages people to try other methods if they think AA is not for them. They usually come back when those other programs don’t work. AA works for anyone who puts half as much effort into it as they did trying to control their drinking.
Attending two meetings is statistically insignificant.
IF AA DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU , GO SOMEWHERE ELSE !!!!
God bless and im happy you found your path. Love and tolerence is our code.
I am very happy for your sobriety. Good for you. What is concerning is your judgement of all AA based on going to two meetings, as everyone knows that all meetings are not the same. And, it's not for everyone, but it is there for the ones who have tried everything else, to no avail.
I think it depends on whether your truly at rock bottom. For some people they have nothing else. No friends or family left to support their healing journey.,For them AA takes on that roll. GRATZ to you for being able to go cold turkey, the success rate of that is lower then having AA help.
Then you make something else. Physical fitness, meditative program, career advancement and enhance every aspect of your life. Not sitting smoking in the rooms rehashing your past for 20-30 years in a program that fails most
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 No one has smoked in an AA meeting in almost 20 years. FAIL! "Rehashing" is not sobriety, and is only used for context. FAIL!
Just out of curiosity, how many years did you sit in a smoke filled bar, "rehashing" your life with a drink? You were obviously doing such a great job with your life, that you ended up in a few AA meetings. Totally laughable!
AA clearly doesn't work for you, but why do you feel the need to go around trying to convince everyone that they should share your beliefs?
Because they are hurting people. Lowering the chances of beating an addiction I beat with a holistic method that isn't offered and stealing their lives for the rooms. My next channel will be solely on Anti AA to hopefully take as many people away from the failed program as possible.
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 I hope you are pay for anyone who ends up in the hospital because they listen to you
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 If it works for them then what's wrong?
@@perryroberts4353 statistics show a very small % stay sober with AA. It is a very dated program that, although people feel extremely connected to (like a cult) It sets people up to think they will fail, and that they are weak. I don't think the youtubers message was negative, just that maybe it's time for a different method.
@@djshineboxx8880 I agree. I prefer SMART but if people say that 12 steps help them, why would I say they're wrong?
More people quit on their own that’s a statistical fact. But they weren’t the real alcoholics lol okay my dad has 20 years and he’s a great person today. Nothing like the guy I grew up with, no sober birthday date no nothing he doesn’t even think much of it anymore. This was a guy that quit in his 60s, and was literally a stage five alcoholic. The guy couldn’t even go to the bathroom and constantly fell down. 24 everyday for years. Glad to have him as a powerful example in my life.
LOL! As a recovering addict with 35 years clean I would beg to differ. I am glad you found a way to stay clean.
My wife is 40 years sobor with aa, i tell her aa might have been there, but she did it, not god or twelve steps but her own inner strength. What aa does do is let you know you are not alone. But it is a bit cultish.
AA is not a cult. AA is just people getting together for social contact. AA is no more a cult than being part of a sports team is
Clever writing: “rereading the Big Book and working the twelve steps.”
"A very failed program". Right, because being focused on the absolute freedom to "live to good purpose", is a terrible thing. The horror of it all!
The presenter of this doesn't know how much he doesn't know.
Fact is, your program fails the majority--that's it.
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 Fact is, the majority can't or won't put forth a fraction of the effort to get sober, compared to the monumental effort they put into drinking--that's it.
Good to hear the most successful recovery program in history doesn’t work now. Thank goodness you found all the answers. Thank you Charlie for saving us all
I feel that if you need to go to a meeting every night and your whole life revolves around staying away from bad influences then the DOC is still running your life.
Its up to me not AA. Its a choice. Mine.
So, AA's been working splendidly for me, coming up on 18 years sober and loving it. If you have an alternative or better method, I say BLESS IT, but you might shift your focus away from just pissing on AA to simply offering your alterative "better" method and ATTRACTING addicts/alcoholics rather than just venting some sort of resentment about AA. Good Luck!
BINGO!
EXACTLY!! Attraction NOT promotion. AA doesn’t shit on other programs
If your form of sobriety is so good, why are you still so angry about something that you tried twice, 15 years ago? Do you not have anything better to do with all the spare time you have while not in meetings?
p.s. if your book teaches people to stay bitter and hold onto hatred for the rest of their lives, well i guess that's just what you're going for!
I'm not angry at all. But I am 80% retired so I have plenty of time and will in less than a year have a channel focusing specifically on why AA doesn't work---and for most it doesn't--regardless of your reasons why most who enter your doors do not remain sober. Alternative methods are working that focus on cure. And I will do everything I can to get people away from the cult that fails so many.
You in denial about your anger! Maybe you should try the 12 steps again 😂
I figured almost every comment would be what I read. Hmm..
Hats off to you
All of these AA "debunking" videos either come across as smart assy guys such as yourself shitting on something to that genuinely helps people, or like when someone can't be happy for someone getting well.
Nope, I'm the guy who is over 16 years sober without AA. AA fails most--period. No matter how many times the proponents keep saying how they help people that is the data outside of one very biased study from Stanford. You fail the huge majority and the ones who don't are afraid to leave the rooms after years begin sober--which is ridiculous. You have physically unhealthy lifestyles with your smoking, caffeine and sugar intake (which actually induces cravings) and you live in the past in your circles every night rehashing your days with John Barleycorn which is also not mentally healthy. I have very few cravings that last maybe a minute and are infrequent. I rarely think about alcohol. The only time I'll be thinking about alcoholism is my new coming channel which I hope to pull as many people out of the failed toxicity that AA promotes as I can. You're a failed program that should have modified its methods once people realized Bill and Bob's methods were failing the majority. You reinvent your life by a physical fitness program, clean diet and meditative program. Then you advance every aspect of your life. And you leave the past behind.
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 Wow.....fantastic...you seem so knowledgeable and have so much life experience and such wisdom....Your judgements are perfection and absolutely no projection going on with you. How do you manage to remain so impartial, objective, compassionate, non-judgemental and so measured? Wish I was a perfect human being like you and knew it all. You make such precise, accurate, intelligent judgements. Wow...no 'contempt prior to investigation' with you or humility for critical thinking you just know all the answers. You know it all without any professional research or understanding..........fantastic, what a gift. I am sure the whole world is going to be cured by your approach. You are the one who is right and anyone who disagrees with you must be wrong and you obviously have no ego!!! Carl Jung the eminent psychotherapist and a contributer to the formation of AA obviously didn't know as much as you. 😊 Finally congratulations you mention "Physically unhealthy lifestyles"......brilliant discovery...no one has ever thought of that one!!!
have you considered that AA also hurts and alienates some addicts? that AA and NA have both been barriers to recovery for some?
if it works for you that’s fine but the rest of us have every right to speak about where the program fails us. and it’s perfectly fair to critique a program that was written by christians in the 1930s. our understanding of psychology and addiction a hundred years ago was garbage, of course we should hold century old treatments up to scrutiny.
@@notreal-duh With respect I suggest you research Carl Jung born over 100 years ago (Born 1875 died 1961). We studied his work at Uni along with many others (many years ago) and his work and wisdom is still valued and respected to this day certainly no factual evidence it was "garbage". He said once; "Thinking is difficult, that's why most people judge." We human beings have a tendency to attribute all that is blameworthy on someone or something else without looking within ourselves and being honest about our own defects and contributions to a problem......it's just another maladaptive defense to avoid taking any responsibility. Listen to opposing politicians, they do it all the time. I wish you well and hope you find the right path for you.
@@nickmn6108 Exactly Nick! Mr. "Reinvention" is erroneously convinced that by attending a few AA meetings, he now has the wisdom and intellectual capacity to save the alcoholic world from catastrophe.
Geezus, Mary, and Joseph, if only he had come along 90 years ago!
As you said, "What a gift"...to the comedic world! Rodney Dangerfield has NOTHING on Charlie!
Charles Hurst Reinvention - Physical Therapist turned author of fiction, and people believe this guy???
It's unfortunate the man went to two meetings. Did you give the steps a shot? Did you work on the ego that Carl Jung, the world renowned psychologist has written so extensively about? This has gotta be the most egocentric, Holier Than Thou video I have seen besides the recent presidential debate.
I have gotten my life back. Traveled the world. Gotten married. Bought a house. Feel inner peace regularly. Have a group of friends I never believed imaginable. I wish you continuous sobriety and hope you one day, find inner peace, my friend.
Why would I give a shot to a program that fails most? And they do. 16 years sober and completely at peace. I hope to give that to people trapped in the rooms for life.
Have you seen the state of our addiction/homeless crisis? I'll stick with the path that works for me. I don't have a problem with different avenues that people get sober and better their lives. When you take to the internet to trash a path that has saved millions, it is the epitome of arrogance and ignorance.
Charles is the kind of person who has watched airplanes from the "public" side of the chain link fence, and thinks he's a pilot!
@@salvatoresaccarelli2768 Very well stated Salvatore, and TRUE!
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 Why would you "hope to give that to people"? THAT sounds a lot like AA! 😂 ...and exactly HOW will you do that?
AA works for more than 25 million people worldwide for almost a century.
But he.. if it’s not for you, it’s not for you and you’re free to choose whatever feels good for you to recover from addiction.
My opinion is to share your way of recovery by how you did and do it instead of constanty complain about your experience with AA and what’s so bad about it in your perspective.
I do not attend meetings anymore for years and years.
But the fundament i build thanks to AA is still intact.
It made me a better person for life!
The last 5 years i’m looking for deeper connection on a spiritual level.
I have no reason to complain SO MUCH about what’s not good about AA.
And although i don’t attend any meetings anymore for the last 7 years, it did saved my life!
If you have to make a video about why AA is not good for you, and complain so much about it, you must have serious issues.
Just focus on your recovery, with or without AA.
Everyone is free to choose.
No, for almost a century it has failed most--not some---most. Great that you aren't reliant on it anymore and hopefully not smoking and are living a healthy lifestyle---most in the circles don't. The ones who stay sober which are a minority are addicted to the rooms. And BTW---I went to two meetings but grew up with alcoholics in my family, went to the support groups prior to the meetings I went to and read countless AA books and literature. I know what AA is. It's a failed program that tells you that you are a forever addict. I have an entire channel coming out in less than a year specifically on why AA fails most and why alternative methods like Passages don't. I hope to get as many away from this cult as I can.
Why has tom hanks said its one of the most amazing things to have happend in the 20th century
Before you critique it, I suggest you do a wee bit more research than attend a couple meetings. If you had read any actual original AA literature you would have found, in the forward to the first edition of the "Big Book" that it says, "We are more 100 men and women who have RECOVERED from a seemingly hopeless state of mind and body". The word recovered is used multiple times in the Big Book. Yes, you can go into far too many meetings today as hear what you heard. You'll be forever sick, always in some phase of recovery, just one drink away from disaster. That jargon is what has leaked out of treatment centers over the decades. It's not traditional AA belief. Yes, meetings are not perfect nor are they for everyone. It also states in our original literature that "we have no corner on this market and wish the best for those that have found another way". If AA has made any mistake over the years, I would say the biggest one is trying to be all things to all people. We're not that. I have 39 years of continuous sobriety and have been active in AA, sometimes more, some less, for that entire period. Why do I still go? Because somebody must be there to tell the newcomer that they can indeed recover from this, never drink again, and live a happy and productive life. It was given freely to me, and it is an obligation that I do the same. We're not perfect, never claimed to be, have plenty of bullshit in our game. In essence we are a reflection of our screwed-up society, but for some people it works. The statistics of recovery are horrible. That only demonstrates just how insidious this affliction is once it gets it's hooks into you. You found another way. Good for you. You can share that other way without bad mouthing what you clearly don't fully understand. I suggest you try that approach, and you may be able to help many people.
Oh please. I went to a couple of different places and both got into a heated argument about cure vs continued recovery. My brother was also in AA for a few years before he left it as well as other family members who all said the same thing. I've talked to many AA members from different places all over the country--same dialogue. I was in the open meetings for family members-- same dialogue. What you're saying may be an exception but it isn't the rule with AA. Look at some of the other comments from people who left it. Same story.
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 A "couple different places equals ZERO credibility!
@@charleshurstreinvention3959AS speaks about people like you saying you weren’t as seriously afflicted as the founders, some can get quit and stay quit not all that’s what makes “real alcoholics” so baffling,
Recovered from a seemingly "hopeless state of mind"...😊😊
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 did
You or your family read the big book ? 12 steps and 12 traditions ? The free pamphlets at every AA meeting? As bill sees it , drop the rock ? If you had a bad experience in AA meetings I’m sorry, bill tries to tell us repeatedly love and tolerance is our code
The reason for the 5-10% Success rate is the actual structure of AA. It's not based in reality. It's Christianity. You would be better off going to church. Christianity does the same thing. The church blames the person if things are not working for them. You're not pretending hard enough.
Absolute nonsense! The people with the biggest resentments towards AA, have the least amount of actual experience.
I recall reading that AA works for about 5% of the people who attend (based on what studies, I don't know) - these 5% are those who really need someone or something external to help them direct their lives. For most other people, it's inherently disempowering and the overt religiosity of it can be very off-putting.
I always say this--what would be better for long and permanent cure. One who is on a physical fitness program, clean diet, no smoking and meditative program---while progressing their career and all planes of self? That's what I did at now over 16 years sober. OR--the AA method. Rehashing the past every meeting of an alcoholic. Smoking. Not exercising. Ten years sober and still feel you have to be in the rooms but yet tell me how you are living your best life? This channel will be done soon---in terms of new videos. Because the niche was oversaturated. My other channel is doing well. But guess what videos did well in this failed channel---the Anti AA ones. I've got twelve videos, blogs and podcasts ready. When I have a year's worth in advance I will be launching The Anti AA Channel. Look for it in about a year or so from now. Cheers, Charles
AA is just one of a myriad of approaches to quitting drinking, so why is it that those who fail and go back to drinking blame AA for their personal failures? I don't know. All I know is that my battel with alcohol ended over 43 years ago when I surrendered and admitted that I was a alcoholic and did somethIng it by going to a AA meeting and starting to work the program to the best of my ability. Whatever floats your boat and works for you is fine with me. I don't blame anyone or anything else for my personal failures. So if blaming others for your personal failures is what works for you then by all means go ahead. I wish you well and best of luck on the remainder of your journey. It took me seven years of in and out of the rooms of AA to finally figure out that if I wanted the program to work then I was the one who needed to put in the work and that is what I did and the results speak for itself. The AA program works only if you work it. Take care and God bless.
If you were able to just stop drinking, you were never a chronic alcoholic. The reason people don't recover in AA is because they don't actually do the 12 steps, they just go to meetings and wonder why it doesn't work. Get a life....
The no true scottsman fallacy, AA is not a cure it is a crutch.
@@ts109 you're ignorant... it's not a crutch, nor is it a cure; it's a set of instructions that, if followed, will enable people to connect to a Higher Power in order to obtain the power to overcome alcoholism. Lack of power is our dilemma. It's yours too, but like I said, you're ignorant.
@@GlenDeanII higher power? You mean like the force?
@@ts109 possibly, for some folks....
@@GlenDeanII who can argue with a success rate of around 10 percent.
Hi charlie I highly recommend you listen to bill finley’s 7 part AA big book discussion from Lorain Ohio, he delves deep into the big book what it all means and the history behind AA and its origins. The sole purpose of the book big to enable a person to find a power greater than themselves . If you’ve found an Alternqte path to recovery god bless you ! You’ll never need treatment or detox again
A lot of people don't need a "higher power". Knowing we have the strength in ourselves is more empowering than anything else.
Meetings are variable in content and efficacy for sur
n the Big Book, "recovered" is prioritized, with no room for relapse; it's not part of the program's philosophy. Discussions center on solutions, not problems
What are you talking about . . . all you hear is relapse is part of recovery from AA components.
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 "relapse is part of recovery" isn't meant to be taken literally. It simply means it is a risk if you don't pay attention. I've had patients in treatment with more than 20 years sober because they got complacent and "cured" themselves
I'm leading a meeting tomorrow so of course i have to talk myself out of what i been doing on and off for 44 years. Like Amway in my twenties I read Amway the cult of free enterprise and my upline went ballistic lol.
I suppose you still have soap stockpiled in your garage. 😉 (Before I got sober, I worked at the airport in Grand Rapids, and drove right past Amway everyday. Ada, Michigan)
44 years and you are going to meetings still--that is my point. 2 points actually---outside of the outlier study from Standford the consensus is your program fails most. @2nd point---the minority who succeed are trapped forever in the rooms which is ridiculous. That's what AA needs to think about
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 2 points that YOU need to think about. First, the "program" is NOT the issue. Most people fail because they aren't willing to hear the truth about themselves. WE are ALL flawed human beings. If I'm not interested in finding out what my flaws are, how can I take action to mitigate or correct them? I can't possibly get to the place I want to be, if I don't know where I am. After that, recovery is all about living to good purpose. Resolving family, health, employment/income, and legal issues, and being useful, trustworthy, compassionate, and responsible members of our communities.
Second, NOBODY is "trapped forever" in the rooms. We have complete freedom to come and go as we please. But...maybe it's just possible that our lives have gotten so good, and with the true friendships we've established, that going to meetings is something we enjoy. As soon as I think I know everything about my emotional maturity, I render myself "NOT TEACHABLE".
We don't believe in "smash and grab" sobriety, where we want the maximum benefit, for the least amount of effort.
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 By your own admission, you have next to nothing in the way of ACTUAL experience with AA.
Yet here you are, suggesting that you know what "AA needs to think about".
You are the kid who just rode the dime Pony in front of the grocery store, and thinks he's Wyatt Earp! 😂
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 Continuing to attend meetings is no different than a grandfather/grandmother passing down a skill, knowledge, experience, wisdom, and expertise about a hobby, job, some difficulty in life, etc, etc.
It benefits everyone, but we don't expect you to understand, because you have no ACTUAL experience with AA. Sorry Charlie!
Maybe your not alcoholic
1:00 the big book talks about people like you,
It says you weren’t as seriously alcoholic as the founders were! Some ppl don’t need 12 steps some day, there’s a reason AA’s 12 steps has been copied, before AA behavior modification and psychology was tried with Rolan hazard and Carl young, it didn’t work. AA was born from the Oxford movement and Christianity ✝️
AA needs constructive criticism and needs to make many changes to best help folks struggling with alcohol dependence. However, this snarky, blanket condemnation is not an insightful analysis of what is wrong and what is right with 12 Step groups.
No organization is perfect, including Alcoholics Anonymous. The "changes", however must come from the individual. Allow me to translate...If a person cannot, or will not move their feet differently, all of the help in the world will NOT save them from a fatal condition.
The truth is, true sobriety is about being ok in the midst of chaos, or at 3:18am, when you're all alone and it's pin drop quiet.
All the best to you John.
U must get a kick back from these drunk places. Like Passages. They are for the extremely wealthy drunks that have daddy's money. It's not called AA but ur there for the same reason, but at least u get nice sunsets for the money.
I think the point of this video is supposed to enlighten the power of the self without the assistance of a program.
I've been to AA and what I've observed is they are creating a new addictive relationship with their program. So you don't drink because you are now addicted to the groups and the program. It's a strange mental conditioning/brainwashing that happens
That is exactly right. Look at their comments--"it helps millions of people" when in actuality it fails most. "It's done wonders for me" as they sit in the rooms, afraid to leave ten years sober. There will be no more videos on this channel--as the vids that got the attention were anti AA which is the channel that will launch in a little over a year, which I'm making videos for now. Stay tuned for THE ANTI AA CHANNEL.
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 "afraid to leave 10 years sober" wow. Thats so real
Yes!
I see alcohol was not your lord & savior. only a real alcoholic is their lord & savior: step one powerless ? over the lord & savior of your choice. Pick any alcoholic drink in store. What else would you be powerless over🤔
Now for the state law separation of state & religion that’s another topic.
The AA big big does say you can recover. Meetings have people that say recovering and others that say recovered. I don't do many meetings maybe 1 or 2 a month and I'm sober and recovered for nearly 10 years and I'm active in the community. Like everything you get out what you put in
Huge difference from recovering a state of hopelessness as it says versus beating the addiction and proclaiming being cured from it which no one in AA says. They clearly state it is lifelong as a process which is destructive and nonsense. You don't pick up the bottle again--reinvent yourself and left all thoughts of AA behind. My Anti AA channel will launch in ten months. The episodes will show why this program is such a massive failure.
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I would love to talk to you. You’re way off base. I don’t think it’s fair for you to bad mouth AA. It has helped way more people that you have. Promote your way sure. But half way into your video you have done nothing but bad mouth AA.
100's of 1000's of people world wide have 1000's of years of sobriety as a result of AA. That is a fact. So Charlie saying it doesn't work is only an opionion and not a fact. You are a dangrous man spreading ill informed view that may stop people teying a proven method of recovery.
Charlie why not focus on telling people what has worked for you rather than slated something yoi are ill equiped to talk about. By slating Aa which is peoven to work for some you may put off someone from going who it was the ideal mode of recovery for.
As I stated mot omly are tou dangerous but your views could actually be killing people. Please consider this.
First, outside of a biased study from Stanford, all other studies not only say AA fails most but hugely so. Second, it traps the minority who stay sober in the rooms with unhealthy lifestyle. Period. If you think hanging out in the rooms 5-6 nights a week ten years sober is healthy you are high on a different psyche drug--AA cult mantras. It's going to get more dangerous Steven---this channel will end in a month. But my next one will focus only on AA and I hope to pull as many of your people out as I can so they can have a holistic recovery and regain their person. Cheers, Charles----16 years sober.
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 This is the guy, who by his own admission, has next to ZERO ACTUAL EXPERIENCE with AA, but thinks he knows. Like a toddler who has ridden the dime Pony in front of the grocery store, and thinks he's Wyatt Earp! 🐴
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This was one of the biggest load of rubbish I ever heard or seen on You Tube!
This could endanger people's lives.
it's 1000% true. tell me it's not
@@djshineboxx8880 It may have worked for the maker of the video but it does not have a good record of success.
it was "a' path not "the" path
Yeah, these people don't go to the gym to work out. They smoke cigarettes and talk a lot of smack.
We keep a chair open for you!
I'm almost 17 years sober and rarely have cravings nor think about alcohol. And I'm not spending my offtime rehashing my story in the rooms most nights---that's my point. Physical fitness, emotional meditation and progression in Self of all planes will do far better than the miserable failure rate in AA. I hope you catch my specific oncoming channel that will launch in a year on the why and how--cheers Charles
@@charleshurstreinvention3959 we will keep one for Ya though, you might need it some day. Time ain’t nothing. A day at a time if not, an hour or a minute. Folks AA just might work for you. Never post in finalities. Life might creep up on you.
What you just said is the exact problem with AA---the gee you never know. I absolutely know I'll never touch alcohol again---period.
"Two meetings" to "Find out what it was all about"??? THAT'S some world class arrogance, and delusion to conclude that you know "what it's all about". I suppose two flying lessons makes you a pilot. I wouldn't take this guy's advice about crossing the street!
But I have 15 years sober of experience vs AA's dismal success rates----so there's that.
Whatever gets you out of the addiction and on the road to recovery works. No need to pan the program that didn't work for you.