2.0t TSI Intake Manifold UPDATE!
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- The failure rate of the 2.0T TSI intake flap is high. But VW has updated the part with something that looks to solve the intake runner flap issues. This can apply to many VW 2.0t TSI engines and Audi 2.0t TSI engines
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you and Paul are great resources for nearly all things VAG. more than just showing how it's done, you guys take the time to explain failures and common issues to great lengths so your viewers and owners can understand them; pretty sure I speak for everyone when I say that we really appreciate that time and devotion you guys offer to your viewers and communities.
Man, since getting my Audi/VW A4, I been watching your videos religiously! Thanks for all the work you do. I am surprised you don't have anywhere near a million subscribers. I know I will be linking your videos on my Facebook for sure!
Thank you so much! Been having issues on and off for a year and this allowed me to figure out that it was the actuator arm broke from the flaps creating a large vacuum leak. Having you mention the extended warranty saved me big bucks too. Thanks again!
Thanks for the love!!!
Hey there, I dont know if you're reading these still but you just saved me big time. I had a coolant leak when I was out of town. I didn't have the proper tools and couldn't seem to locate the source. It was leaking too bad to travel and it was too far to tow home so I took it to a shop with a lot of good reviews. I was told it was the water pump and it cost me a good chunk of money to get it repaired but when I got the car back it was pulling the p2015 code. Of course the car had 130,000 miles and that's only covered to 120,000.
I didn't have money to fix the new problem so I had to drive around for a while with the check engine light on and suffer through rough starts among other issues and I managed to get the money to buy a new manifold. I watched your video a couple times and dug in on the repair myself. I got the old manifold out and transferred the throttle body and the other parts over and installed the new manifold. I cleared the codes and started the car and it immediately pulled the p2015 again.
I started searching for other causes when I ran across this video and happened to watch it. I didn't realize there was an updated manifold. My old manifold was exactly the same as the new one so I was curious. Apparently I already had the updated version which was probably from the previous owner. So why was I having a problem? Anyway, as you were going over the differences, around 3:14 you mention that the metal nipple on the vacuum is supposed to be open. WTF? My old manifold had a little rubber traffic cone looking thing on that nipple and I had transferred it over!
I ran to my car and managed to get the nipple off without taking anything else apart. I cleared the codes again, started it up and the problem is gone!
I'm pretty sure that mechanic had seen the mileage on my car and stuck that on there, knowing it would pull the code and would be out of warranty. It makes me wonder if my water pump was even the original problem or if it was just a leaky hose. If you see this, thank you so much for saving me in the end. You also may want to make a video about how a dishonest mechanic can do this and maybe save more people from this issue. Thanks again.
Having the same issue. Waterpump replaced and now I have a p2015 code... Are you/ were you running a tune?
@@eyeareels9451 No tune, just stock. See the metal nipple he is touching at 3:25? That was covered. It needs to be open because its a vent. When installed, it's on the bottom of the manifold on the right side. You may be able to see it with a small mirror or you may be able to reach under and feel it. Make sure that nipple is not covered. If it's not covered then you may need to remove the manifold and see if that tube is clogged rather than capped. If it's not that nipple then I can't help, sorry!
Charles, You always fill videos with so much information they have helped me in ways I assume you never really imagined. Thank you for the videos you have created over the years which have been so helpful even if the primary content of the videos is not what helped me in my research! Sometimes comments you make in the videos have helped me to understand something I was trying to figure-out on my own as a "thrifty VW DIY mechanic"! This one, for instance, helped me to understand that the runners hyperextend when the throttle is wide-open, go beyond their stops and create the sensor fault...a condition fixed by the new manifold design... but I used the ECS intake manifold repair kit, properly applied (thanks to one of your comments) to my intake to fix the P2015 problem I was having. I have other examples of how you have helped me... if you ever desire feedback.
dude I've spent the last 2 months trying to figure out whats wrong with my tig and been using my 2020GLI toy as my daily, this is exactly what I've been looking for since doing a smoke test. Can't thank you enough. Liked and Subbed Brother!!!!
Just wanted to say thanks for the video. My MKV came up with the p2015 code and the dealership replaced it for free under warranty. Would have never known if it wasn’t for your video. I appreciate it. Also your video helped me switch out the pcv with little to no trouble (dropping the torx bolt into the engine bay) keep up the good work. I’m about to switch out the upper timing chain cover because now that’s leaking. 😕
AWESOME!
I appreciate you brother, I'm an ex mechanic but still dabble quite a bit. Your videos are killer!!!! Bought wife a new vw cc in 2010 and I'm on my second manifold already and only have 52k on the car... I will be pulling out the manifold to upgrade to the new manifold! Thanks to you and Paul and DAP for the info on the updated manifold!!!!! DAP and DUB on.....
SWEET!!! Thank you :)
If you look carefully in the video between about 3:40 and 3:50, you can see both manifolds are marked "PA6 GF30." This means 30% glass fiber reinforced polyamide. In other words, the composition of the material is the same on old and new manifolds.
We made this Intake Manifold in Mann+Hummel Germany every day.
over 550 pieces in a single shift.
I never know what they were for. all I remember is my fingers are swollen and in pain from installing that vacuum actuator all day 03:08
Great video again Humble Mechanic ,so glad my GtI mk7.5 has all the updates you have shown here ,some of them are visible .
Watching your video convinced me to change the factory plastic manifold to an IE aluminum manifold on my 2012 A4 2.0.
Thank you. My garage kept insisting it was the sensor but I suspected it was the manifold. They told me it would be a expensive gamble to change it but having viewed your video I became convinced it was indeed the manifold. Like a new car now. Cheers.
I've just removed my intake manifold on my scirocco 2.0 tsi after following Charles video. I need to change the injectors. I'm so happy to learn I already have the new type manifold :)
I had the pleasure of having every dash light come on at once today... 37 engine codes... Thankfully, I believe the Intake manifold will resolve almost all of them.
The car still starts, but misfiring, aggressively idle, etc., no odd sounds, knocking, or ticking.
literally doing this job right now. This video was so helpful thank you!!!
Christian Morales hey do you need any sensor or part to complete the remplacement?
I cant wait for a metal aftermarket replacement for high pressure settings using a tune, like no lift shift and 2 step. However I am very happy that vw is addressing this!
This video was very helpful for my issue with my VW CC. Thank you for sharing 💯
What’s your thoughts on the aluminium manifolds from ECS or IE as a substitute to these new ones?
Oh I love the TSi engines. I've driven about 5 different Golf's with the TSi in model years 2015 through 2017.
If I'm needing to take my intake manifold apart to clean carbon deposits at 80k is it worth the preemptive replacement/upgrade, or let it ride until there's a problem and hope for an extended warranty replacement?
You do some nice editing Charles. As you may remember I don't own a German made car but I do have a German wife. I'm still looking for a fix.
Should have went russian.
Hahaha. This caught me off guard and I almost choked.
I just threw a P2015 code today in my 2009 Audi A4. I'm going to have Audi fix it. Like you said, Audi has extended the warranty to 10 years or 120k from what I understand. I can report back. Thanks for the vids!
Turns out only B7s have a service bulletin. B8s haven't failed enough to have Audi issue the extended warranty. Arg!
I am a disabled vet so money was always tight . Me and my parents were always american car and truck buyers . It was not allowed to buy anything but american. So when I moved out for 12 years before going in the NAVY on submarines . I always bought american and since my dad was a mechanic over 20 years when I was 17 but growing up the places he worked at since it was taxi places let me help from the age of 7 . I swept floors and other things but he showed me from oil change to engine and trans replacement I seen there belair taxi with over 300k . I went in the NAVY and got sent over seas to Holy loch scotland and you could not get american cars over there and since I was a e-4 at the time the NAVY would not pay to ship my car over .But when I got sent to Kings Bay GA I got back into american. But after buying blazers and other SUV and small cars I had so many problems with the transmission on the suv s . I did all the proper maintenance , I bought a toyota camry and had it for 5 years with over 200k on it .I hate to say this but toyota makes some pretty good cars right now I have a scion xa with 120k and small easy to fix except the inner wheel bearing which was a common failure. MY family down south still complains to me about not buying american so to make them happy I bought a 1961 stripped down fairlane with a 4 banger so far 3 years no problem I have been in NY up 90 miles from NYC so salt is the main killer not my cars mechanics .
Great Vid. Thanks!
It's been a long time, but I'm shopping for a VW golf...do you have a recommendation for a good vw forum for newbees?
Brilliant help, Humble mechanic! I've recently being getting a misfire which appeared on cyclinder 3 (according to diagnostic) so replaced coil packs & put new spark plugs on.
Warning has disappeared but the engine feels a bit lumpy at low revs. Thinking the inlet manifold could be the culprit.
Cheers HM
I have the same problem with mine with cylinder 3. I have replaced spark plugs, genuine intake manifold and PCV valve but the engine is still very rough and the check engine light is on. Did you ever fix your problem?
For anyone wondering, I bought this manifold for my 2011 2.0 >>>TFSI
Hi, just subscribed to your channel. Great video. Gotta question I was hoping you could help with if you don't mind? I just fitted this new manifold on my 2.tsi but it now stutters and chugs at idle 0.8 revs. Any idea what could be causing this? I changed manifold due to the arm fault and a lean air issue
if i am buying a new clutch pack for a 7 speed dsg, how do I check the part numbers to check if it is a revision 2 clutch pack? i need to change my clutch pak soon. its a 2012 passat CDA engine 1.8T petrol
Thank you for your videos!! It helped me a lot with my personal case!
I have a 2009 Scirocco 2.0 TSI and i had the intake sensor error since last year but could only buy the intake last month, i was surprised when i got it and saw the arm was different...
But when i connected the vacuum line, i connected it to the new metal one, so i still had an error and the flap was stuck all the way open. It took me a while to get it, but ended up putting the old solenoid that wasn't faulty and i finally got rid of the error...
Now i only have the wastegate flap that it's making noise..... -.-"
Oh no on the wastegate noise. That sucks. Will the anti rattle clip fix is?
I already put one anti rattle clip in and the noise went away, but i could still ear it slighlty (i think the clip only mutes a bit the sound of the rattle)
So either it dropped at one time, wich i think that it is impossible when i think of the the trouble i had to get it in or the arm of the flap itself it's sideways like in one of your videos and in that case you know how it is....
Here in europe this engine is rare and the Scirocco's even more rare, so i'm happy that i can find all the good info in your channel! Keep up the good work mate! ;)
Had my intake replaced under warranty on my 2013 GTI just today. I'm glad they put the revised part on. Hopefully it holds up!
I hope so too. I haven't heard of any failure of this style, but it's pretty new.
Kyle Bauer was it covered under powertrain warranty?
Yes it was
Kyle Bauer I have a 2013 out of warranty but they extended the warranty ok the 2012 to 120k miles. Do you know if it's the same part? Vw corporate said they couldn't help me. Mine is throwing a 2015cel but not showing any signs of running incorrectly.
Kyle Bauer I
so good on vdub for improving the manifold but I know ive gotten good at pulling these things off and depending on mileage performing and intake valve cleaning I could have it done in and hour and a half. easy money on warranty. 120k and its customer pay after that. ill be sad to see that go but happy to see the line is always getting better! DAS ENGINEERING!
Back in around 2010 we had the same/similar problem in the Ford shop I used to work at (in Europe)
It was on the 1.8 and 2.0 gasoline engines and at first we replaced the flaps and installed stronger bushings untill Ford came with complete manifold to replace the broken ones.
One time I had an engine where the rod that hols/flips the flaps was broken and one of the flaps had been "eaten" my the engine. Imagine the damage that caused to the valves!
Hi there, thanks for the video! I have a question I'm having trouble trying to resolve... Is the vacuum solenoid directly interchangeable for the old intake? I had the old style solenoid with the "PASS" cap and bought a replacement with the new metal nipple; have subsequently installed it. Just wanted to know if this would cause any issues?
Anfecs Ian hey do you need any sensor or part to complete the remplacement?
Thank you for explaining I was looking for a Tiguan 2010 runner position sensor which hose where but you said metal side was supposed to be left open is that right
What year was this updated? Also what's the difference between the plastic intake and metal and which is better and why?
Great vids! I watched the Scirocco VR6 swap videos and got the VW bug again. No pun intended. I recently picked up a really nice '08 Jetta 6spd. Great little car, but I'm getting a surging idle when I come to a stop. It'll rev up to about 2k rpm, then somewhere in between 1-k, then idle smoothly. Pulled the PCV out and it was torn. Easy fix, but the idle surge hasn't subsided. In fact, I'm showing misfires on all 4 cyls. I'm not detecting a vacuum leak, at least I haven't been able to find one using the old propane trick. Any thoughts? Idle control valve? Could it be the manifold?
When was the release of this new Intake Manifold? Asking due to going through several intakes under warranty. If it falls under the time I had it replaced, I'm going to ask why the updated one was not installed... as I need another right now for a vacuum leak issue and intake runner fault... Thanks
@HumbleMechanic Thanks for all videos! You are the God! I need advice from you. I have 2.0 TSI in my VW Scirocco. I have this problem and I have old Intake Manifold! What would you advice me, should I buy updated Intake Manifold or I should use "runner flap delete kits" so I can put them on my old part... Thanks in advance
The delta seems that it's more effort than it's worth to me
dealer says I need 06H 133 201 AT for my 2009 audit a4 Quattro 2.0t TFSI. Are these the same??? I can't find a place to compare exactly
Question: Differences in 1.8 and 2.0, the engines seem to be a lot alike, other than the 200 cc difference in displacement; are the problems of the 2.0 inherent in the 1.8? I know the 1.8 has a turbo hooked into the built in exhaust manifold, but are all the other failures pretty much the same between the two engines?
Hi bud do you know if the inlet manifold sensor needs programming when replaced or is it just plug in and play ?
I took my 2012 gti to the dealership and they changed it under the warranty. 😁👍
Charles, had my 2009 TSI manifold replaced last year under warranty. 48K miles now and decided to remove the intake to clean the valves. Have you heard the new design does not have the support (10mm trip and 13mm nut) under the throttle body? Looks like it was never there or the dealer tech didn't feel like putting it back when he replaced the intake? Not sure if I need to source one or just put it back together the way it was...? Got my gasket and injector seals from Deutsche and was told my intake should be the latest revision...?
Hey @humblemechanic, Does this fit the on the 2nd generation CCZB engines. I’ve a 2012 seat leon FR, which shares the same engine with Golf GTI
You are such a godsend Charles!
Humble Mechanic, do you know if and when this part was installed at the factory on the previous generation Tiguans? Thanks.
Maybe on the Limited 2018. And that’s a big old maybe. The 2018 Limited was the old body style
Hi Charles, Awesome video! I need some help or advice please if you can spare a minute. I have a VW Tiguan with a 2lt TSI. It has been throwing code P2015 intake manifold sensor, so i started to hunt for the manifold upgrade. Found one at ECS Tuning in the states and they will ship to Australia for me however they are saying i need to upgrade the fuel rail as well to use this manifold. what are your thoughts on this? As of today the Tiguan started misfiring and there is a sound like a vacuum leak around the inlet manifold. The OBD codes are P0300, P0303, P0304, P0302 and P0301 in order. Is this all part of the same problem with the inlet manifold do you think? I love your videos and you helped me heaps with the TSI timing belt. Thanks for your time Andrew
Thank you thank you for this information we push the
I love your videos. Super informative and easy to follow. I wish though that they weren't so old because idk if my questions get will get answered. Anyway, Iam not a mechanic and this VW Passat is the first car I have taken on to this extent. WiSh me LUck!
I have a question I have a epc light on and check engine light blinking i read the faults and the codes say intake manifold runner cylinder1,2,3 misfire. What is wrong with it can you explain.
I replaced mine last year, one consideration I wasn't aware of is none of the boost taps that fit in between the manifold and PCV work anymore with the new revision. They pop out or leak under boost now and there are no new aftermarket solutions available. Is there any other way to tap in for my guage?
I put new intake in to my Gti but the fault code still back. I tried to clean the code but coming back after 5 miles. What you think what’s the problem???
Thanks for the info Charles.
hey heyyyy always love the vids!! with the manifold update will i have to also get a new fuel rail for my 2012 gli 2.0tsi?
About god damn time!!! I have a 2010 GTI and have yes replaced my 3rd intake manifold under warranty!! How did this take so freaking long to fix!!!? These have been like this for 7 years now, I'm taking my car to VW asap to have this new one put on before my current one breaks again.
changing mine (again). 2 years ago when I changed it it was under warranty but not anymore, i bought the parts 400$ total with tax now i'll change it myself
Does the newest revision require the fuel rail to be changed or any other parts ?
Hey, I have a TFSI Audi that is throwing the p2015 code. Is this the same as the TSI? Can't find a single video on TFSI's. Thanks!
Im interested in knowing how to remove the flaps? Or just cut them out but keeping the motor arm assemble in situ so the sensor works as intended
Hi. Could You tell me if it need to also replace sensor and valve with intake mainfold?
Got mine replaced on my 13 Beetle Turbo Fender edition in 2020. CEL came on a few days ago and go figure p2015 again. Wondering if they swapped it out with the old version and not the revision.
Can you swap fsi intake manifold for tsi one the updated version? Will it fit?
I'm glad I saw this video. I almost ordered the older style. Thankfully, I was able to cancel my order and order from Shopdap before it was too late. Thank you.
NICE!
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge.
Hi, I'm working on a 06 A4 2.0t, just about got the intake out when I noticed that the new intake has an "extra" sensor on the side of it (the one you pointed out as a known failure from Germany now replace with Romanian one), would you happen to know if it will still work in my car? I have gone back and searched for the one without the sensor but everything that is coming up keeps showing that sensor there. Any suggestions would be gladly appreciated and thanks in advance.
Mine's just failed. 10 year old Golf GTI. Thanks for information.
Very helpful, Where can you find the oem number on the intake manifold itself as I am trying to buy one that fits my car
Bumping an old video, but VW *finally* did a recall on this part. We got my wife's 2014 Tiguan fixed early last year. It failed for that stupid arm, and her car ran rough for over a year.
Awesome video man. My Golf R has p2008 and p2015 codes for intake manifold flaps. Only comes on on cold startup. If I clear it and drive it it won't come back until the cars cooled and restarted. Weird.
This was after I did FMIC, every turbo piping upgraded, bov, dp, etc. So I think I need a new manifold now :( haha it never ends
Hi Charles, is it normal operation for these engines to activate the intake runner flaps on cold start? I have a 2011 gti ccta engine and it’s driving me crazy, has a new manifold and ever since it has a rough running cold start while the runner flaps are activated for the first 45 seconds or so and after that it’s smooth, also getting codes for intake runner control
Hola amigo en el manifold tiene un sensor #07L 907 386 cuáles son los valores de operación y quería saber si solo es de remplazar o necesita calibración.
HumbleMechanic
what about the manifold of Golf GT 1.4 TSI MK5? Is it the same part?
I wonder if this issue is the same for an BLG 1.4 TSI engine from 2008? I can clear the P2015 error, but it comes back after a couple of days. I hope it's just the (VW OE-03C 907 386) sensor
You guys great video on the updated intake manifold I have a 2009 Audi A4 Cointreau and having a problem with the damper actuator can you replace this by itself or do you have to buy the whole intake manifold thanks guys
A4 Quattro
If the sensor goes bad (P2015 code) can the sensor itself be replaced or does the entire manifold need to be replaced?
Awesome, thanks for posting
Romania power!!! ive deleted the flaps and disabled the actuator , got checkengine, what i have to do..its hard to fix by myown? vcds or?
Hey Charles, can the third air supply port be left open or does it need to be filtered? Getting ready to update my manifold while doing a carbon cleaning. Thanks!
The additional can be left open, but there is a filter kit for it.
hello there quick question what range is the computer looking for on the sensor transferred sensor from old manifold to new one and now have implausible fault that I didn't before after checking the mvb it ranges from 30 to 90% on the new manifold any help would be great thanks
Iv got an s3 8p 2008 would it be better to do a flap delete or upgrade to the new version my car is a stage 2+ manual audi s3
I have a 2018 2.0T TFSI with under 30k miles. My only concern is I hear a tapping noise from around the intake manifold area (Maybe it's coming from inside the manifold). Is this the flap that causing this noise? It does not matter if it's from a cold start or warm engine but only when it's Ideal. No change in RPM or vibration.
Thanks for helping!
Thanks for this...going to try warranty first, then buy a new intake if they don't cover it.
Once again thanks for your videos...I'll be purchasing this from deutsche......as I made a rockie mistake I purchase one from Ebay it didn't came with the sensor I purchase the sensor ending in B" and on the CPU it read close 30% and open at 88%....and of course the check engine its there.
I am having the same issue I dont think the B at the end of the sensor makes any difference , even in the video the old sensor dont have the B at the end . how did you resolve the problem ?
My arm on my Audi A4 3.2l keep popping off, is there any backyard fix for that
Hi, Charles.
I recently change the manifold from my CC under warranty. but they put the old version of it. I wonder when this updated part was released or when dealers were required to switch to upgraded parts. Thanks.
+Luis Fernando Málaga Mena i think it was released early this year. I leaned about a month ago.
Not sure when they actually switched
So my 2010 2.0 tsi scirocco has the swirl flap arm issue where it pops out of the manifold. If i get a swirl flap delete kit will it remove this arm and replace it with a bung? My cars got a lot of mods so I can justify doing this... Good excuse for bigger injectors too??
Also did this revision come out on any engines?
I’m worried if my Audi had this old manifold.. (2012 CDNC Audi A4 2.0T)
Can you shed some light?
hey, HumbleMachanic, if you want to know if the plastic is different, there should be a marking on it, European companies are usually really good about marking them. I saw in the video that the new one is PA6-GF30 meaning it is nylon that is glass filled 30%. That is the same stuff good power tools is made out of, it is very stong.
Jacob Defenbaugh Do you watch AvE?
+alexaescht Skookum choocher.
My 2016 Tiguan R-Line popped the P2015 code just now at 138K miles. First ever code on this most reliable car.
I bought the ECS quick fix coupler and will drop it in until I buy a new manifold and have time for the swap.
QUESTION: Is it advisable to service injectors when replacing manifold?
Great vids. Cheers!
Is this new variation compatible with older models. I.E 2007. believe mines failing
Which 2 liter engines... The previous engine or the new EA888 gen 3?
Humble Mechanic can I ask you your expertise I have a 2010 Chrysler 300 90K I live in Massachusetts and when the motor is cold and only when it's about 28 degrees out or colder when I start the car up it's kinda loud runs rough starts right up and only does this when the motor is cold or it's 28 or colder i use 5-30 oil all year around car is well maintained. I know you work on VW's so when it's cold out I tend to not drive it and we'll both know that's not always something I can do
What about the 2014 Volkswagen Jetta SE Intake Manifold Runner position sensor location? Do you suggest replacing the manifold?
I have been curious, can a ea888 gen 3 manifold bolt onto a gen 1? Would be a cheaper option to port WMI if so
Hi, I have replaced the manifold with the updated part. It has around 80,000km and I got the P2015 error. Do you have any advise what could I do about it? Thanks.
Do you have a video of the 2010 cc 2.0t
Cam sensor is throwing a P0341.
I just want to know the ohms range on the Cam sensor old has .844 new has 1.902 on the positive and ground. It runs better with the old one.🤯
I have 5v on positive plug
Thank you.
Hey Charles, I wanted to ask/tell if it would be beneficial to add a water methane system to direct injection engines (turbo and NA) to mitigate or eliminate the intake valve/system carbon build-up. Has it been done before (that you know of) and would it be cost-efficient to do so? I know this is an older video but it is somewhat related to my inquiry. Thank you in advance!
It’s the thing that would probably help the most. But I don’t think the cost benefit is there unless you’re doing it as part of modifying your car.
Just to help with carbon, nah
Bro awesome videos!!!