Penn Jillette on Libertarianism | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
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Magician Penn Jillette join Bill to discuss his political leanings and his new book, " Presto! How I Made Over 100 Pounds Disappear and Other Magical Tales.”
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My favorite(although old) libertarian joke:
Q: why did the libertarian cross the road?
A: none of your damn business! Am I being detained?
😂🐔
🤣🤣🤣
Then those damn sovereign citizen types thought it sounded like a good idea and ran WAY too far with it ....
Thanks, Todd. 😒🤗
thefourshowflip cops are the sovereign citizens. They always get away with crime unlike anyone else
bhorning2
I’m not sure you know exactly what is included in the philosophy that sovereign citizens argue for... because that comment doesn’t make sense within the context of what they claim about the government and how it works
Knock knock.
Get a warrant
Libertarians have a hard time winning arguments with the left or the right. Libertarians trust in a truly free market. Most of the regulation libertarians want to get rid of would work... In a free market. But that's not really what we have. Most folks couldn't even imagine what that looks like so it's just a hard sell
There is no such thing as "truly free market" we're not living in small villages where everybody knows everybody and the only person providing you with goods relies on his/her good name and honesty to survive. And if the "freedom of the market" is solely defined by your own arbitrary freedom measured solely from the amount of money you're carrying then that's no kind of freedom. Absolutely none. People understood this long ago.
The mafia understands the concept of a "truly free market" better than anybody. Truth to be told the mafia actually understands the value of loyalty and helping out others to gain influence far better than any libertarian. As such their benevolent thug rule will always triumph over naive "voluntarism". Always.
Freedom without guarantees and security ain't worth squat.
I enjoy listening to Penn, but Maher's consistently smug commentary makes watching this video difficult.
Then again, I chose to watch it, so I have no one to blame but myself.
A libertarian who doesn't support free speech on public property ? I love when people call themselves something their not.
The fact the he even believes in Public property disqualifies him
@@followtheherdtoo Oh please. There are obvious disagreements within libertarian viewpoints regarding the notions of public and private property. I'm guessing you think everyone should make a claim to every bit of land and have the right to defend it with violence. Practically, many libertarians (and libertarian isn't synonymous with anarcho-capitalist) recognize the benefits of commons. Would you really want to have to pay taxes or be subject to the whims of a landlord to get from point A to Point B?
Yes, it's unfortunate that a state exists and insures public property, but even in an anarchist society, people may very well agree to have public areas. I don't know your exact views, but it sounds like you are an anarcho-capitalist mirror of the anarcho-communists, where all property MUST be privately owned as opposed to the left version where all property MUST be collectively owned. To me, libertarianism is the opposite of authoritarianism. This allows people to make free choices, including deciding on such things as public versus private areas.
What are you referring to specifically?
Check out the website "center for a stateless society" Their sloagn is "Pro-market, anti-capitalism". They host a range of article from different perspectives within libertarianism and anarchism. Obviously words like"libertarian"and "anarchist" have different meanings to different people.
I think the attitude "such and such is not a true libertarian/anarchist" isn't productive. Being a relatively small political constituency, I think there are areas where folks will agree and some where folks will disagree, but in order to effect changewe need to be able to work together on things we do agree with.
It's like, so many people would prefer to argue about what their ideal society is going to look like and argue who's the true libertarian/anarchist without any regard to what to actually do know, here, in the current world, to move in that direction. It becomes a sort of game, or "lifestylism" to borrow a term from the left.
The beauty about libertarianism/anarchism is that there doesn't have to be a "one size fits all" approach.
Some people could choose to live in a community where there was no public land, others could live in communes, others could live in places that are similar to the way the public/private divide works out today.
As long as the people in those communities agree on these things, and let people who don't agree leave and find other communities that are more in line with their visions, there's no problem.
@@followtheherdtoo You don't know the difference between liberty and anarchy. Sit down.
Statuary is about the values espoused by the subject. Perhaps Washington did have feet of clay, his importance to the nation essentially makes him unequal despite his own personal inconsistencies. He deserves to honored for all the good that he did while allowing that he was also a man of his times. The same cannot be said of Confederate statuary.
How do you get rid of crony capitalism without regulations?
"You guys better follow the rules! I mean, there's not actual rules or consequences, but you better be fair of your own free choice!"
Crony capitalism is taking advantage of the government regulations in place to get competitive advantages in the free market. You can eliminate crony capitalism by going the liberal route of regulating the extent to which you can take advantage of regulations, or by going the libertarian route of getting rid of the regulations so that they can't be taken advantage of.
As an American i would never have voted for Clinton. Her ideas on foreign policy would present a serious threat for global security.
Not all libertarians are anarchists...but some of us are, the intellectually consistent ones.
When Penn is Prez the system will flourish! All hail Predident Penn and VP Teller ;-)
Tony Stuart Teller would be an excellent running mate! No way he would undermine you by saying something dumb
Tony Stuart you're an idiot!! He's just playing Bill's audience!!! He's a sell out and clueless just looking for some fans to buy his stupid book!!!
"Teller's Silence on Abortion Troubling"
Owner of the land should decide what statues he want to keep on his property (City council on public property). That's what libertarian should say about that.
Libertarians don't like the idea of taxes spent on anything except National defense, roads and police. Erecting and maintaining public statues included. I don't think Penn has a problem with privately owned statues.
I fucking love Penn Jillette.
Absolutely... Tear down all the statues. And don't name things after people. Name all publicly funded projects to the Fantastic Taxpayers who paid for this project.
All statues? Does anyone not remember who Mao was and the cultural revolution of China?
the enciclopedia guy from friends
"Without government help, you're not gonna be able to even know what good food is" ..Huh? Did he just say that as a serious statement and get cheers from the audience..?
He doesn’t really stick to his principles by voting for her. He didn’t have to vote him either. There are other options.
HAHAHAHAHA BILL MEAT IS A CARCINOGEN AND THE GOVERNMENT SAYS TO EAT IT
I like Penn Jillette but I couldn't imagine voting for the ultimate big government insider that is Hillary Clinton.
this doesn't sound like the ever-optimist penn jillette i'm used to hearing....his rhetoric about trump is very dystopian
Libertarianism: Anarchy by another name
I'm still waiting for the sky to fall with Trump as president. Still waiting... It's a shame a smart guy like Penn thinks Hillary would offer any more liberty than Trump.
How does Bill not understand the lesser of 2 evils? The next time you have to pick, chances are, both options will be more evil than the previous choice. Pretty obvious, but whatever.
I like Penn even though i don't understand his political leanings.
Wanting smaller government and voting for Hillary are contradictory.
James Pellitteri He voted for Johnson.
He did not. He voted for Clinton. Watch the video.
True, but so is wanting smaller government and voting for Trump. We weren't given any small government choices from the two main parties. That's why the government works so hard to keep a third party from gaining traction. As long as two big-government parties remain the only options, big government is safe.
Annie Kallen Really? Trump wanted to repeal Obamacare. He’s got a tax bill passed through the House which lowered the income tax bracket from 7 to 4 and removed a ton of deductions.
How are these “big government” principles?
I'm not sure I follow the logic of how reducing the number of tax brackets reduces government spending. Apart from that, I agree with you that the current administration is leaner than the last. But that's like saying a rhinoceros is leaner than a hippo. There's still a lot of bloat. I haven't seen any indication that the current administration plans to reduce the enormous spending on endless conflicts in the middle east, or the utterly unproductive, wasteful, and harmful "war on drugs." The last administration in modern times to have a budget surplus was Bill Clinton. (Not saying I like Clinton-- I don't. But it's food for thought.)
Fascinating interview to be sure, I don't necessarily agree with Jillette on a number of things, but I DO like the fact that there are still people willing to debate the issues in a respectful manner. That matters.
John Bidochka or to not be pushed around by weak puppet Maher
It IS nice to see a libertarian that isn’t completely autistic.
Your name is "Clarence Spangle". The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
"but I DO like the fact that there are still people willing to debate the issues in a respectful manner" am I missing the debate part? What I see is two people agreeing with each other and a crowd that claps after everything each person says. Now let's see how respectful Bill, his panel and his crowd gets when Penn talks about the rights of citizens to open carry rifles.
James Morris, I'm with you. What interview? What debate? All I saw was a circle jerk.
"You're a libertarian that voted for Hillary" someone doesn't understand libertarian principles
I'm non of the above but I voted for Hillary against Trump and I can't stand her. As a matter of fact watching her lose has been very entertaining.
B Man just don’t vote tf
@@snoopysnoopy8843 I'll vote for whoever I want as a matter of fact if Bloomberg or Biden gets the nomination I'll write in Adolf Hitler or worse since he's alive and relevant, Jeff Bezos
How about being a Libertarian who doesn't vote for big government or wars abroad?
@@2pacula780 good luck getting a nominee American free elections is a misnomer
It's funny when people dismiss being libertarian based on one or two ideas the disagree with. As if to be libertarian you have to be a purest.. AS IF ANY republican or democrat was a purest to begin with. There is NO PURE [insert party name here], if someone says they are, they are a liar (or an extremist.)
It's time to end the two party majority strangle hold.
not going to happen with the current way we vote. As long as we have FPTP voting, there will always eventually be two parties. Google "fptp voting CGP Grey"
It's a vague term, Libertarianism just means you advocate for less government, it's an umbrella term. All true anarchists are Libertarians by definition, but not all Libertarians are anarchists.
Christopher Post true-ish. Libertarianism is individualist, socialism, progressivism and communism are all branches or Marxism and collectivist.
Libertarianism isn’t a party lol
There is a Libertarian Party.
A better solution is to move all controversial statues to museums. Statues in public places is a mark of honour. But, those in museums are just part of history.
Makes sense to me.
Yes, and those museums can be outdoors, on public land, with free admission! It will sure save a lot on transportation cost.
@rg0057 I think every action comes down to what kind of message it conveys to the people. Statues in public places usually means that the society honors them in someway or another.
I am for preserving history. Attempt to erase and rewrite history can lead to Orwellian dystopia. But, who the society should honor always depends on the prevailing values of the society.
:ToggleSwitch: I think we are on the same side in this argument. I also agree that the generals who fought for racial discrimination should not be honored. But, I kind of agree with the arguments I hear from the other side, for not erasing a part of history. That's why I suggested placing those statues in museums. I see no honor in seeing a statue in a museum. Museums have all sorts of gross things anyway.
Agreed.
"Without government you won't know what good food is"
That's why the food pyramid turned out so great, right?
@Michael De Santa Yes, because that's definitely what would be happening without government. There are certainly no market incentives for quality control, right?
@Michael De Santa "This restaurant served me dog meat and I started vomiting afterwards. 1 star, lawsuit pending."
@Michael De Santa If we're talking total anarchy instead of just getting government out of the food industry, then it would be private arbitration.
There's nothing inherently wrong with dog meat if that's what you ordered.
The same mechanism happens with food purchased from grocery stores.
@Michael De Santa If you didn't want dog meat and you got served dog meat: 1 star, lawsuit pending
Private arbitration would work according to the provisions of the agreement you made before purchasing the food. You do realize that most libertarians aren't anarchists, right? Wanting minimal government doesn't mean wanting no government.
@Michael De Santa Suppose that the arbitration sides with me, my bank who has a contract with the arbitrator asks the bank of the restaurant owner who they have a contract with to compensate.
That is just a BASIC example of how it COULD work. To give you am idea.
The real answer is that nobody really knows, because trying to predict the market is almost impossible. The only thing we do know is that it will be more efficient.
I’m a libertarian and I voted for Gary Johnson
I voted Johnson too. Proud of it
@Philippe Demptos so your's doesn't even exist, I guess
@Zeke Glenn If he's anti gun, how is he even libertarian?
@@SurajSinghTomarArya Yep!
@Zeke Glenn I'm a libertarian, but I'm pro-choice. The government can stay away from my guns and stay out of my body as well. But yes, I agree that Gary Johnson shouldn't claim to be a libertarian then say he's anti-gun.
Penn: if you keep voting for the lesser two evils, things keep getting more evil.
•votes for Hillary anyway.
utopian3d i met Maxine Bernier. One of the most interesting things he said was “ people need to vote for things rather than against things.”
utopian3d Exactly. Doesn't make sense to me.
sabbracadabra I think you are the one that doesn’t see. Hillary and Trump have been friends for years. Voting for ANYONE with a D or R is just propping up an evil and failing system.
utopian3d sabbra is a moron. Example of the public education system.
sabbracadabra spoken like a true serf.
Choosing the lesser of 2 Evils means you still end up with Evil...just more slowly.
yeah i don't know why that wasn't clear to the panel
Refusing the choose the lesser of two evils gives everyone else greater power to choose for you.
Hindsight is 20/20 of course, but looking back on how everything went, there are probably a hundred thousand Americans who would still be alive today if we had chosen "the lesser of two evils" in 2016. Piety isn't really comforting to people watching their parents' corpses lowered into the ground.
@@laizalott There is a lot of assumption in this comment.
1. It assumes that Clinton was the lesser of the two evils
2. It assumes that a significant majority of voters believed that Clinton was the lesser, and many of them chose not to vote for her in spite of that
3. It assumes that the election of Clinton would have prevented 100,000 deaths
Maybe some or all of these things are true, but they're not obvious, and we'll never know for certain.
@@coolbrounderscore Exactly. Clinton doesn't have that great a reputation at running things. She's pretty much bungled everything she's been in charge of (including two presidential campaigns).
Any type of libertarian wouldn't vote for Hilary.
Ryan Cadwell why not? She is actually a republican she is just a fraud
Alien Lol no. She’s not a republican by any means. She’s far-left. Have you seen her policies?
Gallifreyan Buccaneer Have you ever heard of demagoguery?
That's why libertarians won't win elections, ever. Only 3% of the public voted for Johnson. We aren't an elite club of 'true-freethinkers'. We are a crack movement on the political fringes, and until we can win over those voters, we don't matter.
Gary Johnson is NOT a libertarian.
Seriously Penn is normally more intelligent than this...so is a statue of Martin Luther King Jr. an ode to all men who practice infidelity? No because the statue to these figures represents an amalgamation of history and what traits we pass down as a people...Jefferson owned slaves...but he also was one of the few founding fathers to openly speak against slavery and was one of the first founding fathers to introduce a free slaves act in Virginia...he also outlawed slavery int he Louisiana purchase...that's besides being possibly the most important voice in the declaration of Independence and that's why we remember him...so no you don't tear down a statue because of some revisionist history cognitive dissonance that has no correlation to things that mattered...
Statues aren't how we remember history, they're how we glorify people. Everyone has light and dark in them, with someone like Jefferson he was not a perfect man by any stretch of the imagination and by modern standards he did some things that we would find immoral (such as owning slaves) but he did more good than bad, far more good than bad, for the era he was in, and his legacy is a positive one, particular in the establishment of a secular state. The confederate statues are of people who were fighting for the right to own slaves, that's it, that's what the cause was, plain and simple, that's what the war was about, the right to own slaves, and most of the statues were put up in relatively modern times, so they aren't historical pieces.
By all means have them in a museum, have as many statues of confederate generals as you like, have a statue of Adolf Hitler in there as well, it's all part of history, but to reserve a place of honour in public property for a statue of people who's legacy was thankfully a failed ambition to own other human beings, no.
Yeah, and the Confederate statues aren’t about the braveness of the ancestors. They are, historically, statues put up to intimidate black people during segregation and all the ugliness of Jim Crow. While he was alive, Lee didn’t want a statue, and I think he meant it. Black South Africans were kept in apartheid in revenge for defeat and the humiliation of being put in concentration camps. Segregation was revenge on blacks for the Civil War.
James Hassinger is that last part of your paragraph opinion or fact??
Meanwhile a bunch of yuppies and pissy college students protest statues while simultaneously pushing out multi generational communities for the sake of gentrification and "progress". But ride that high horse I'm sure your 200 year old self helped Harriet Tubman on the underground railroad being chased by dogs
@James Prediston where did you get that info from? I'd be interested in checking it out. I've generally based my view on the intentions of the CSA on their declaration of Independence which primarily discusses the slavery issue as the reason
Libertarian voting for Hillary? Not sure he understands the basics.
No Illuminati? Yea right Trump is a puppet of the Illuminati. The perfect divide and conquer character. Then get fake libertarians like Penn and Maher saying don't look for the man behind the curtain. like in the Wizard of Oz (written by a 33rd deg FreeMason). If you want to learn real Libertarianism research Larkin Rose or Mark Passio instead of trusting Time Warner (HBO) corporation spokespeople.
As Bill said, he voted like a responsible adult. You'll understand in a few years.
yup
Rand Paul is the most prominent "libertarian" in the country. He has repeatedly told Christian groups he believes abortion should be illegal. There is no one consistent libertarian ideology as there is no real structure or leadership to unify the ideas.
Penn Shillette needs to go back to doing magic tricks for kids
Bills self-righteousness is infuriating.
I love Bill, but I can’t stand his stance on voting for Hillary. I mean, yes, I voted for Biden because Trump was just THAT BAD, but anyone who decided to stay home made a very reasonable and understandable choice. Same for 2016; it’s Hillary’s fault that people stayed home and refused to vote, not the [non]-voters. Maybe if the Democrats actually started giving candidates worth voting for, Republican psychopaths would stop winning elections. Bernie Sanders would have destroyed Trump in 2016, and Bernie, Andrew Yang, or Tulsi Gabbard would have humiliates him in 2020. When Republicans win elections because the Democrats put up shitty neoliberal right wing candidates, that’s the DEMOCRATS’ fault.
@@angryretailbanker5103 I can understand staying home and voting by way abstainment. I don’t understand someone would vote for Bernie and then if Bernie isn’t an option vote for Trump. The two candidates could not be more opposite. I’m not saying that’s what you did or anything, but I know there are some people who did.
I knew bill wouldn't let go of what Penn said about "lesser of two evils"
Agreed. This is a perfectionist argument that sinks the boat deeper... If the alternative was so great (IE: Bernie et al.), then those who wanted him in power should have done the work and paved the way for him to be electable. But they didn't, and so we were left with what we were left with.
Jay D WE did the work. The DNC rigged the primary.
HotPocketsBoy Bill never knows when to stop hawking the indocriation his bosses make him. The owners of HBO were some of Clinton's top donors, he is not letting that fly
Bill is incapable of thinking beyond the now or outside of his perspective. I only even watched this because I was looking for he episodes he shot with out writer's. They are so bad it makes me laugh. He isn't funny without writers.
Lesser evil over time.
It depends upon what you consider evil.
Penn & Teller's Bullshit was one of the greatest shows. Love seeing Penn and Bill together.
You will often see Penn on "The Last Word" as Lawrence and Penn have a working relationship since Penn& Teller's apparent on The West Wing, where P&T preformed one of the tricks on the show, that many people think the show version cam first 8)
Loved that show. They brought up so many good points.
I loved that show!
It was terrible and ill-informed. Remember when he said second hand smoke wasn't real.
'' Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. ''
which is why Hillary didnt win
@@user-ei7ed6zy9k She won, but since the electoral system is stupid in USA...
slackery if it would’ve been by a popular vote, Trump would’ve campaigned much differently
History does not repeat, but it often rhymes
Actually, Bill, when you vote for the lesser of two evils, things still get more evil; they're just not as evil as they could've been....
amazing watching this in 2020 and seeing just how wrong he was about everything he predicted
Can you be specific?
@@anglicantian We sure didn't reign in presidential power. 74 million people saw trump's first 4 years and wanted 4 more. trump actually embraced a new conspiracy theory in the Qanon nonsense.
What this video proves is Penn certainly is not a libertarian
He's just another brain-dead lemming SJW, but with the added bonus of being a pseudo-intellectual.
I think Penn is very intelligent but his emotions get the best of him (much like his buddy Glenn Beck). How else can you explain voting for Hillary?
No Illuminati? Yea right Trump is a puppet of the Illuminati. The perfect divide and conquer character. Then get fake libertarians like Penn and Maher saying don't look for the man behind the curtain. like in the Wizard of Oz (written by a 33rd deg FreeMason). If you want to learn real Libertarianism research Larkin Rose or Mark Passio instead of trusting Time Warner (HBO) corporation spokespeople.
so everyone is libertarian.. hmmmmm
Have you watched Penn and Teller Bullshit!
I use to love this guy as a libertarian, but he lost credibility when he claimed to vote for Hillary.
No kidding, “I’m a libertarian but I voted for someone who represents the antithesis of what libertarianism stands for” This is like expecting a pat on the back for voting for Dick Cheney
"without government, no good food" - thanks Bill
Sorry, but no "mature" person would ever vote for hillary foh
Only evil bastards vote for Trump aswell.
"Without government you wouldn't even know what good food is". Yeah I'm so thankful for the FDA keeping Monsanto in check. Let's not forget all the good Obama did for transparency in organic labeling
Not to mention that the government provided food pyramid is basically a sure fire recipe for making yourself fat.
@@hooahayes we used to run off manufacturing. Now the bigwigs profit from diabetes
Food pyramid paid for by food companies. It was like that in Canada too.
Gandhi was prejudice against Africans.
Ryan G. He didn't say that. Don't read everything on the internet
Akhil Vemula Of course he did, and it's consistent with his beliefs too.
just watch penn&teller bullshit "holier than you". They really debunk that towel wearing pointless POS.
Mitch Yyyy
You must play civilization.
Mitch Yyyy Yeah, he didn't say that. There is a tract that Ghandi is quoted as saying that intentionally mined out of context because at the end he says "if we had the atomic bomb, we would have used it on the British."
Gavin Newsom could be great in a remake of American Psycho
PureNightfall Thats actually pretty funny.
hahaha thats right.
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favourite.
PureNightfall I have to return some videotapes
PureNightfall also in replacing the American Psycho
Maher didn't understand "When you vote for the lesser of two evil's, things get worse". Not good!
How stupid right?
2 years later.
As a liberal, I like Libertarians. They're like Republicans with brains. You can actually debate a Libertarian. They believe in something, it's refreshing.
If your a libertarian how on earth could you vote for Hillary. sorry.
Because he's NOT a Libertarian. Nor is Bill Maher.
Waiting for the Newfie joke.... 'cause that's what's really important.. out of proportion outrage at a muffed bit of humor.
I’d like to hear a follow up to this since all of their assumption have been proven to be false and paved the way for a stronger totalitarian presidency. Trump was more libertarian than anything.
Ghandi was racist
Cavs 1652 you're right and I believe it was something Penn Jillette covered on his show Bullshit. Plus he covered Gandhi's sordid behaviour towards his nieces. But it's Penn after all I'm sure he was joking when he said we should keep statues of Gandhi.
Cavs 1652 that bitch would always cause trouble for me in civ 5. Passive resistance my ass...
jesushatesyoutoo it's true you can Google it if you want Gandhi had very little respect for native Africans.
And you're a moron.
Can you blame him? England endentured his whoel country for over a century. Why the hell should he have liked English people?
"Tear em all down"...says the man who's image stands 300' tall on the side of the Rio Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas.
He's a billboard not a statue
I’m still squinting from Gavin Newsome’s smile
This clip is almost a year old. Things aren't as bad as these two haters eluded how things would be under Trump. Maybe Bill and Penn should revisit their rush to judgement and eat some crow live on their shows. The shot of Gavin Newsome at the table was disturbing. You want to talk about a person who will sink Cali, he's the man!
@Gotham Bat No, the media mob has turned this country into a train wreck. And if you can't see that for yourself, then the media mob has done the job they have set out to do....
Gotham Bat pop
One thing I admire about him is his willingness to change his mind on major topics and admit it. We are so convinced we are right that to admit we aren't on some point feels like failure or defeat. It is not. It is growth.
1:01 "I'm okay with John Coltrane" Liked instantly :D
This comment section is proof that Libertarianism is the most misunderstood of all political stances, and that includes the often-misrepresented socialism. Fiscally conservative, socially liberal, minimal government, maximum personal liberties. How hard is that to understand? It's not anarchism. It's not left or right of the political spectrum; it's both. Basically, a person should have the freedom to do whatever they want, so long as it doesn't harm others.
Libertarians are like progressive. Their ideology could only be possible if humans didn't behave like humans.
@Shahaan Singh because "humans act like humans" is exactly why Libertarians oppose government. Genocide, continuous wars, ever increasing debt ceilings due to government spending and the push for more wars. Being libertarian/Anarchist is fucking common sense. Liberals and conservatives don't have consistent principles. Neither of them agree with the Non Agression Principal which is HUGE in regards to rape, wars, the war on drugs, discouraging violence towards others just because you disagree with them, taxation, and coercion.
I DESPISE the "lesser of two evils" argument. That sounds like settling for bullshit instead of striving towards betterment. Not a good philosophy for a progressive world.
Johnson was the best choice, not Hillary. I agree that Trump is fucking horrible, but was Hillary better? No. We were screwed no matter what.
One question, Bill. How do I need the government to eat an apple instead of a donut?
have you seen the obesity crisis in the US? It seems fairly evident that a lot of people need to be told why eating apples is better for them than eating donuts.
Years and years ago I remember seeing Bill Maher speak on TV about what he believed as a Libertarian. "The government that governs best, governs least." Maybe Bill and Penn have loosened up on that a bit as they got older but they probably still hold that principal to an extant.
*_While liberty is never utopian, it is always melioristic._*
~ Me, I say this
*_Liberty is always dangerous, but it is the safest thing we have._*
~ Harry Emerson Fosdick
*_Liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless you are willing to give it to others._*
~ William Allen White
*_The love of liberty is the love of others; the love of power is the love of ourselves._*
~ William Hazlitt
*_Liberty is always unfinished business._*
~ American Civil Liberties Union
*_Liberty is to the collective body, what health is to every individual body. Without health no pleasure can be tasted by man; without liberty, no happiness can be enjoyed by society._*
~ Thomas Jefferson
*_Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual._*
~ Thomas Jefferson
*_The boisterous sea of liberty is never without a wave._*
~ Thomas Jefferson
*_Where liberty is, there is my country._*
~ Benjamin Franklin
*_Liberty is one of the choicest gifts that heaven hath bestowed upon man, and exceeds in value all the treasures which the earth contains within its bosom, or the sea covers. Liberty, as well as honor, man ought to preserve at the hazard of his life, for without it life is insupportable._*
~ Cervantes
*_It is important to remember, as has well been said, 'the essential characteristic of true liberty is that under its shelter many different types of life and character and opinion and belief can develop unmolested and unobstructed.'_*
~ Charles Evans Hughes
*_Liberty is not merely a privilege to be conferred; it is a habit to be acquired._*
~ David Lloyd George
*_The true character of liberty is independence, maintained by force._*
~ Voltaire
*_The inescapable price of liberty is an ability to preserve it from destruction._*
~ Douglas MacArthur
*_Liberty is not a right but a duty._*
~ Ezra Pound
*_Liberty is meaningless where the right to utter one's thoughts and opinions has ceased to exist. That, of all rights, is the dread of tyrants. It is the right which they first of all strike down._*
~ Frederick Douglass
*_The saddest epitaph which can be carved in memory of a vanished liberty is that it was lost because its possessors failed to stretch forth a saving hand while yet there was time._*
~ George Sutherland
*_The true test of liberty is the right to test it, the right to question it, the right to speak to my neighbors, to grab them by the shoulders and look into their eyes and ask, 'Are we free?' I have thought that if we are free, the answer cannot hurt us. And if we are not free, must we not hear the answer?_*
~ Gerry Spence
*_The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth._*
~ H.L. Mencken
*_[The average man] is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty,... and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies._*
~ H.L. Mencken
*_I believe that liberty is the only genuinely valuable thing that men have invented, at least in the field of government, in a thousand years. I believe that it is better to be free than to be not free, even when the former is dangerous and the latter safe. I believe that the finest qualities of man can flourish only in free air ~ that progress made under the shadow of the policeman's club is false progress, and of no permanent value. I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that any man who yields up his liberty, in however slight the measure, is bound to become a slave._*
~ H.L. Mencken
*_One of the qualities of liberty is that, as long as it is being striven after, it goes on expanding. Therefore, the man who stands in the midst of the struggle and says, 'I have it,' merely shows by doing so that he has just lost it._*
~ Henrik Ibsen
*_Liberty is to the collective body what health is to every individual body. Without health no pleasure can be tasted by man; without liberty, no happiness can be enjoyed by society._*
~ Henry St. John
*_Liberty is the soul's right to breathe and, when it cannot take a long breath, laws are girdled too tight._*
~ Henry Ward Beecher
*_Liberty is the possibility of doubting, the possibility of making a mistake, the possibility of searching and experimenting, the possibility of saying “No” to any authority -- literary, artistic, philosophic, religious, social and even political._*
~ Ignazio Silone
*_The first step in saving our liberty is to realize how much we have already lost, how we lost it, and how we will continue to lose it unless fundamental political changes occur._*
~ James Bovard
*_A day, an hour, of virtuous liberty Is worth a whole eternity in bondage._*
~ Joseph Addison
*_Liberty is the solution of all social and economic questions._*
~ Joseph Labadie
*_Life without liberty is like a body without spirit._*
~ Kahlil Gibran
*_Liberty is not a cruise ship full of pampered passengers. Liberty is a man-of-war, and we are all crew._*
~ Kenneth W. Royce
*_Political liberty is nothing else but the diffusion of power._*
~ Lord Hailsham
*_Liberty is rendered even more precious by the recollection of servitude._*
~ Marcus Tullius Cicero
*_Americans have the mistaken viewpoint that Lady Liberty is only a peacetime luxury who is ill-equipped to fight the nasties. Therefore, they reason, we need an equally nasty Big Brother. Americans have forgotten that Lady Liberty is one ferocious mother when protecting her children._*
~ Mary Ruwart
*_Liberty is one of the most precious gifts which heaven has bestowed on man; with it we cannot compare the treasures which the earth contains or the sea conceals; for liberty, as for honor, we can and ought to risk our lives; and, on for the other hand, captivity is the greatest evil that can befall man._*
~ Miguel de Cervantes
*_Liberty is a slow fruit._*
~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
*_What light is to the eyes - what air is to the lungs - what love is to the heart, liberty is to the soul of man._*
~ Robert G. Ingersoll
*_Where men cannot freely convey their thoughts to one another, no other liberty is secure._*
~ William E. Hocking
*_The spirit of liberty is not merely, as multitudes imagine, a jealousy of our own particular rights, but a respect for the rights of others, and an unwillingness that any man, whether high or low, should be wronged and trampled under foot._*
~ William Ellery Channing
*_It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed._*
~ Vladimir Ilich Lenin
He voted for the more evil. It’s sad to see he has become ideologically compromised. Not only that, but contradicting. Saying he voted for Hillary and he voted the less of two evils is contradicting. He says he’s a libertarian, but believes nothing a libertarian believes. Also wanting small government and voting for Hillary is contradicting as well. I genuinely thought he was smarter than this.
You can really tell that Maher isn't comfortable with an "I, me, mine" type of panel guest!
As a Libertarian, I must say I'm rather disappointed in Penn. I have no doubt that Trump might be a huge asshole and political neophyte, but being in an echo chamber of celebrity Hillary supporters and SJWs has blinded him to all the dirty deals, misery and death that the Clintons and Obamas are tied into. I'm still a fan, but he needs to get the hell out of the entertainment industry for a few years.
Tim Phipps He voted for Gary Johnson...
Yea agree. It does suck to hear him say that. I could have sworn I heard him say he voted for Johnson. Like in another interview. Drumpf just can't communicate. Like on any level....at all. It's really actually remarkable that he has gotten this far in life. With the communication skills of a drunk "stereotypical" construction worker
VelaToNorma7 I do hang. It's like a 3rd arm. My hands are large too. Admit it. You look at the political landscape and rightly judge the DNC as a corrupt, unamerican wing of a socialist movement but incorrectly believed in a billionaire reality star. I'll hang no problem. You just can't procreate. Drumpf hoodwinked you. He is as eloquent as a fart and as effective at leadership. As Kim Jun whichever one is at missing his own cities. On the bright side...Whoopy will be Secratry of State soon under Opra. (Now don't lose me here... really try and concentrate) Which will suck unimaginably bad but then....the Ubbermech Das Idiots like yourself will elect an even dumber reality star, then they'll up the ante again and before you know it(especially you) The human race will be devoid of weak minded keyboard brave hearts as gullible as you. We'll be living Idocracy and I can't wait to see how "patriotic" and "brave" everyone is then. Can't wait
Can we speak like adults having an intelligent debate. No elementary school alterations of trumps name and no blanket accusations that non Trump supporters are automatically left wing idiots?
There's been no proof he's involved, he could be, but I'm waiting for the investigation to come out to pass judgement....
People who make good general points should always go into 'HOW SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU GONNA DO ALL THAT' because every fucking talking head wants to avoid that question.
Trumps doing a GREAT JOB Penn!! Had he not, people wouldnt be making the money now being gainfully employed to afford to sell your shows out all the time! IF anyone tried to get rid of Trump by illicit means, there'd be a REVOLUTION! Bet on it!
Nice to hear someone represent a reasonable and intelligent perspective on libertarianism instead of the knee-jerk wingnuts that seem to dominate the label today. My biggest problem with the short-sighted opinions of so many who argue in favor of libertarianism without really undertanding it is that whether they are aware of it or not, they are really arguing in favor of unfettered oligarchy. That isn't what libertarianism necessarily has to be, but that's how many have interpreted it.
A libertarian is as close to an anarchist without being an anarchist
I love how Penn brings up all the conspiracy stuff at the end, i totally agree.
But that won't stop them from 'explaining' how the game really works and what the president's position is in the game. Probably saying things like: "Trump is being kept out of the circle".
Ya ever hear of consumer reports Bill?
Statues …. First , I’m not religious by any means . That being said . The second commandment, “ Thou Shalt Not Worship False Idols “ are not statues idols? Often erected for the killing of people ( soldiers ) .
5:00 how did trump game the system? By campaigning in swing states like Michigan and Florida????
im pretty early from finland interesting
Amy Holmes is beautiful.
You had to vitue signal didn't you Penn. You can't say Trump was awful. No matter how much he makes you mad, it's verifiable that Trump was a much better president than your puppet now.
Are you kidding me!!!! Bill Maher just said, "without government help, you're not going to be able to know what good food is." That is the most fascist statement I have ever heard. I lost 70 lbs in a year and never got any advice from the government. Actually, I went against what the government recommends.
He means that the lesser of two evils gets more evil over time.
Libertarianism merits serious discussion. Big govt is needlessly expensive and overly intrusive. Problem is that GOP self-described Libertarians (there are no Dems) only follow through on the business-friendly part of the platform. When it comes to legalizing weed, it's liberal Dems who stand up and fight. And forget about the Libertarian principles of legalizing prostitution, shrinking DoD and open borders. None of the GOP Libs will touch any of these third rails with a 10 ft pole.
The United States of America pre-1913.
Hong Kong in the 80s was pretty close, too.
That's like saying that individual freedom can never work because it's never been tried during the years of imperialism. More freedom = more prosperity. Period.
I'd also like to add that Hong Kong is currently both the most free country on the planet and the most prosperous.
"Democracy will never work" - Every kingdom before Democracy
I love the Lincoln memorial! Can we at least keep that?
You can keep the chair ;)
statue of liberty?
YEE! I say let's destroy every statue we can find...Renaissance???....who did DIS??? Michelangelo??? FUCK Michelangelo break that stupid statue with the small penis, David is a jew name...so David must be pro Israel...tare down that asshole with his sling...he used it to defeat Goliath...that's a bible story and WE are agnostic...YEEE...pull that fucking statue down, it's all I can do because my fucked up yuppie parents didn't teach me the value of patriotism and I am too weak and soft to achieve anything on my own!!! YEEE...STATUES GOTTA GO!!.....STATUES GOTTA GO!!
n 1974, Jillette graduated from Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Clown College.[8] That same year, he was introduced to Teller by Weir Chrisemer, a mutual friend. His children's names are
Moxie CrimeFighter (born 2005)
Zolten Penn (born 2006)
When Bill Maher made that statement about getting rid of bloated government being common sense, I really wonder if he realizes that liberals, by their own nature, aren't really in favor of less government.
I align mostly with the libertarian party, but I think "parties" in general are not a good concept.
"Without government help, youre not gonna be able to evem know what good food is" That's one of the stupidest statements I've ever heard...
Because as we all know big corporations are all very keen on providing the best, most healthy food to consumers and won't cut corners or sell hazardous additives when there's nobody who has the funds, facilities or resources to check such things up. You know the mafia understands that market better than anybody and they'll offer anything people will buy.
The government at least needs people to stay healthy in order to cut down on all its costs on a fat, lazy and ignorant population. Companies providing a product has no such qualms. The more they sell the better.
Who would you rather trust: An institution accountable to you the voters and who have your very survival as a prime interest - OR somebody who'll tell you anything to groom you into buying more and more?
Feel free to provide me with a link to any independent "healthy food" research conducted by corporations.
If only all libertarians were as reasonable as Penn. his philosophy I can live with. I've met too many libertarians who are basically anarchists that like having a military
He knows his audience. He's also said that the ideal is to have the government take care of roads, policing and national defense, and nothing else.
Chris Honkala: Yeah, he doesn't really depart much from the core of libertarian ideas. He's just putting a nice face on it because he wants nothing to do with Trump. I think the biggest reason why he didn't vote for him has little to do with politics. As he said, he knows Trump...and whatever we think of Trump, its worse. If he knows the guy personally, he probably isn't surprised at any of his antics and he probably would have wanted to spare the country from this.
Yeah. Your completely unrealistic view of how the world works. Libertarian moralizing on the merits of a completely free market with zero government oversight and zero functionality beyond defending the citizenry lends itself to oligarchy, as we are seeing in the early stages now. Frankly, you're basically reverse communists, only instead of the state holding all the power, it's private citizens and corporations. Let me state this clearly: Whether it's the state, or whether it's private interests, no man can truly be free with limitless independent freedom. What you do affects others. Period. And in a laissez faire capitalist economy there are two universal truths: Money is power, and people with money will always find way to exploit that need. And no, I'm not saying on consumer goods like phones or cars. I'm talking food, clean water, shelter, healthcare, necessities to sustain life. All of these need public alternatives not resting in the hands of a few major corporations looking to exploit as much money as they can. And don't tell me "oh, they can just price themselves out of the market when nobody buys from them!" No. That's how you wind up with people dead, more starving, and eventual collapse because half your population is dying, excessively poor, or both, because Laissez faire capitalism leads to crony capitalism, and the illusion of choice and freedom. In a capitalist society, your money is your power. If you have a lot, your freedom is guaranteed. If you don't you are a slave. It's that simple. You're not dependent on the state, you're dependent on the company you work for. Social darwinism goes into full effect, but humans are not responsible, and will literally starve their own people to maintain their existing power, until eventually, their money is meaningless because the economy stagnated, because nobody ELSE had any real money to spend. Our current system reflects that. 1% of Americans hold as much wealth as the bottom 50% and that number grows every day. And if we don't do something about that soon, we're going to be in big effing trouble.
And that's fine, until one of those idiots gets power. And that idiot is currently Paul Ryan, who I guarantee you is going to run for the presidency in 2020, and fuck the economy further with his ultra libertarian bullshit.
''He's also said that the ideal is to have the government take care of roads, policing and national defense, and nothing else.''that's sensibleanarchy isn't
I'm so disappointed in him. He boast to be so principled and he was all about people feeling his Johnson and then he goes and votes for that piece of s***. It really is splitting hairs when it comes to who's worse. It's all the state it's all using violence to get things done. I hope he feels happy trump still got in and he sold out and didn't support his own principles. I didn't realize how weak of a person he was to give in to such irrational fears that he would abandon his principal for somebody who would be virtually identical. I have lost a lot of respect for him.
Hillary Clinton would have been a capable president at the very least, with all of her experience. How do you feel about Trump now as he lurches from one disaster to another? I don't care about Jillette a great deal but I find him interesting, pretty smart and funny.
And if you have an IQ in triple digits, you simply can't vote for someone as stupid as Trump.
Mark Griffiths
She literally ruined other countries. Look at Lybia
There are so many examples. Pick your poison.
Hilary and Trump are both wolves. The only difference is Trump look at the sheep costume and refused to wear it.
Liberal - for free speech.
Leftist - not all speech is free.
Liberal - no segregation.
Leftist - all Black dorms are necessary.
Authoritarians are people who can’t win at the ballot box.
5:54 when you realize how drunk your friend is
Penn isn’t a true libertarian by a long shot
I don't know why I click on these. There's nothing but falsities and strawman arguments on here.
What a disappointment. How the hell does he host the convention, claim to be a true libertarian and vote for Hillary wtf.
Although I love Penn Jillette, I disagree with him on the topic of evil.
Jerry Garcia famously said "A vote for the lesser of 2 evils is still a vote for evil."
But isn't that what he was saying? If you vote for the lesser of two evils it still gets more evil in the long run. I think you are actually in agreement.
Malcolm Nicoll Jerry!!! RIP brother!!✌👅🍄
Yeah, you two are actually in agreement.
A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. So what's your solution? Those who voted for Jill Stein took votes away from Hillary resulting in Trump the greater of two evils. Those who didn't vote at all but who could've voted for Hillary also got Trump the greater of two evils.
Penn Jillette is absolutely correct. Trump has changed the political process forever. Presidential candidates will be required to provide tax returns and take a physical at military hospital.
theres a lot you can go at Trump for but his physical health is not one of them. Hes a lot healthier than Clinton was at the election. Clinton fainting at an event was not good for her.
Bill doesnt like how dominant Penn is...
Audience clapping on this show is always annoying. We don’t care about their approval.
Penn just seems to constantly contradict himself in this interview.
"Witout the government, you won't even know what good food is." Brilliant point...smh.
Farmers market
Government.. .what kind of milk should I buy...skim milk or whole milk? Oh...you approve both...um...okay...how about should I eat carcinogenic food or raw organic food....oh....you approve both....um...okay....what...you label things are carcinogenic but allow me to eat it? Huh?