KG & Matt Barnes break down why Deandre Ayton got dominated by Jokic | KG CERTIFIED
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
- On the latest episode of Ticket & The Truth, Matt Barnes fills in for Paul Pierce and joins Kevin Garnett. The two break down Deandre Ayton's struggles vs. Nikola Jokic and what the Suns big man needs to do to take his game to the next level next season.
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I can see KG's energy level and passion stay the same at 75 years old, truly a 🐐
You have the best playoff highlights bruv
He really is full of life and heart for a guy that’s 96 years old
Hopefully he can cut down on the obscenities when he reaches old age.
He's being himself and not pretending to be something he ain't.
Shud become suns assistant coach with Sam Cassell as the coach
Love how calm Matt is while KG is KG. Perfect contrast.
Sativa v Indica. 😆
ID TAKE KG AT MINNESOTA OVER JOKIC ITS TOUGH BUT I LOVE KG ON MINNESOTA
Matt is probably thinking "Stop it, Jokic would own you like Dirk and Timmy did. Even Zach Randolph gave you headaches."
@@PSi-fp8ve The Wolves KG that got owned by Dirk in the matchups and swept by Dallas 😂 KG is a piece of the puzzle, not a centerpiece franchise player like Jokic.
I can't imagine how intense KG must have been as a player, considering how intense he is in retirement.
True definition of intensity I'm glad we had him for the few years he was in Boston, forever my fav player.
😆lol! you're so right. i mean he is commeneting or make observations about jokic and he sounds like he is getting ready to play him in a couple days!
@@swarajthapa5798 lol you gonna tell him?
Amplive
It was a true blessing watching him in his prime in Minnesota and tail end of it at Boston. One of the last of a dying breed.
KG needs to be on a coaching staff. He's the perfect defensive coach that has accolades to back him up and has high energy.
He already said he cant because he'll kill someone eventually
@@leagueleaders Lmao and I believe him
@@leagueleaders haha too true. they say it's a nightmare being a coach bc you're not in direct control, and nobody would hate that more than kg, he would be going back to the locker room to suit up 1st time there's a breakdown on defense
What he's saying is simple stuff. The thing is you can't teach high energy, high motor, you have to want to stop someone and ayton just doesn't have it
@@kautetahi
True.
Defence comes down to "bully" mentality.
You just have to be willing to break into a dude's wife and take his shit, and dare him to do something about it.
If you don't have this mentality, then you will always be one step behind.
Even if you have the IQ and skills.
I like how jokic never provoked ayton, he knew his head wasn’t in it and jokic had no intention of changing that fact
It’s the European culture… they don’t try to show people up or run their mouth like you see with American born basketball players. It’s a good quality to have.
@@calebjakande4294 that's bullshit and you know it bruh
He did the same with Towns and Gobert. Towns was a good sport about it though. But provocation would never happen between Jokic and Ayton. You could tell Ayton looks up to Jokic, Jokic might be his idol. It's like that with many bigs around the league. They all admire and respect Jokic as a person and basketball player. Watch Davis be similar to Ayton because he too respects him.
@@front331 I think the respect is mutual between the 2… Jokic has always praised Ayton… Jokic actually said in an interview that Ayton is his toughest matchup. Well this series Ayton played bad. Jokic always has big games against the Suns so that did not surprise me but… in the past Ayton has always played him tough and made him work for it… so watching Ayton out there was surprising and disappointing. this series Jokic just dominated the entire Suns team.
@@calebjakande4294you're lying, See Luka Doncic
Yes, double team Joker every possession, and do it hard. I'd really love to witness a 30 assist game. Hasn't been done for a while.
Even when you do that, Jokic still finds a way to be impactful 😂💯
That’s exactly why the clippers blew a 3-1 lead
He needs to go in the lab with you in the summer KG.
Lakers in 5 🥱
haha yeah
"He letting the sleeping dog sleep, let him sleep". That's exactly why Jokic can handle the opposite center, he's not poking the bear inside him so it doesn't show up. Reminds me of the Duncan stories, he wouldn't talk trash, he was praising whoever was guarding him to the point he made the player guarding him question wtf Duncan was on 🤣🤣
Garnett is so charismatic. He should be an actor. I could see him playing a role in Uncut Gems, or some movie like that.
So happy ppl finally recognizing the sublime nature of jokics game
I kinda feel the opposite. There has always been this sort of "his game is so good but it's a next level, subtle, kind of good that you have to really understand the game to appreciate" when people talked about him. I'm glad fans who've never really watched him play, but heard all the debate about his MVPs, are seeing that whatever else he might be as player, he's also an unstoppable baller who can drop 50 in a playoff game dropping shots from all over the place. His game is sublime, but now they know he's a straight up dog too.
He only scores so much bc no one is touching him or making him run back to play defense his stamina hasn’t been tested bc he rests on defense and has so much energy to score and assist really like KG said put a body on him early not just letting him trot up and down the court he will dominate otherwise
It's hard to commit on Jokic because of how fast he passes the ball. He's just too good at reading defenses and knows where the open man is. Denver is also a well oiled machine at this point. They've got so many good cutters and shooters Phoenix didn't know what to do. Suns basically wanted him to score and prayed no one else would go off. They also hoped that Ayton would somehow slow him down.
Denver built that team the right way.
AD and the King are coming Lakers
@@shurace and the Nuggets will expose that overrated Lakers team
Nuggets in 6
@@dxtremecaliber exposed is in 4, maybe 5 for the gentlemen's sweep. 6 just means y'all won
Phoenix sun's did not adjust to jokic his too good of a player to not show him different looks in defense. You gotta either play him starlight up and get his and try to make it difficult for him or take his passing away. He got both in this series, his slicing them up with his scoring and passing that can't be a great game plan for this dude his a back to back mvp. The sun's been a bad defense team all year, so it makes sense they wouldn't make any adjustments.
Man you gotta hit Jokic hard. If you double-team that 8ft man, he gonna have 42 assists.
The ZBo and Dirk comparison is genius. I never put it together, but he's absolutely right.
Yeah but now he's in the argument of best passer of all time. I'd say ZBo and Bird because of this.
He just mentioned Dirk cause Dirk knocked him outta the playoffs. Now personality wise He and Dirk is more alike as Dirk was as Humble a Superstar as you get and Jokic will never toot his own horn. But he will stand up for himself. You don't want to make guys like Jokic mad, Cause they don't get mad just to trash talk and blow off steam. They rarely do and they lose it because they aren't doing it for show.
You could throw bird in there. Magic too.
Really like Matt & KG, good high energy/low energy mix. Plus a Celtic & a Laker together is fire
Matt Barnes is the only player in nba history to play for all 4 California teams take that New York they call New York the Mecca but has only 2 rings California teams 25 rings
Cant really call Matt Barnes a laker when he's played for like half the teams in the league
@Doc Holiday Rent Free Lol Get NY balls out your mouth😂 NY being called the Mecca has nothing to do with the NBA but if we're talking NBA, only in NY can you have a trash team for a decade with no Stars like LA and still be in top 3 in attendance and value, that's a benefit of NY being the Mecca.
It's pretty elevated in this clip...they're like the "Adderall/Thorazine Combo" in this one! Lol.
kd overlooking just how good Jokic is. Jokis has been the best offensive player in NBA for the 3rd year running; and his playoff performance thus far has been even better
How can you NOT love, appreciate and LOVE KG’s passion?! Lmao this man is an absolute maniac and it is f#$king both incredible and inspiring 🫡
YEAH BUT ALSO HE WAS GOOD TOO HE WAS NEXT LEVEL NEXT LEVEL AT MINNESOTA ID TAKE HIM OVER A TON OF BIGMAN THAT YEAR WEAR THEY LOST TO KOBE IN THE WESTERN CONFRENCE FINALS
A mix between Dirk and Zack Randolph is actually a really solid comparison for Jokic … it also makes you realize why he’s such a hard person to guard, big, long (pause), unorthodox play style, with a soft touch but can also play aggressive 🔥
This is a decent comp, but missing the passing Element. It just describes the offensive rebounding/scoring.
@Treechi Gotti the fact that you chose those specific words to address and not what he was talking about makes you Hella sus. You got sumn you wanna tell us tough guy, lmao. PAUSE
@Treechi Gotti it buggs me out how some people are insecure..... Charles on TNT keeps sayin wild ish and nobody would call him gay... keep it basketball yo
Naw it’s weird for someone to add “pause” to their comment. I’ve never actually seen that when commenting on basketball and it is suspect.
@@deelak2329 should be dirk, zbo/timmy duncan, and webber for passing
Dirk plus ZBo is such a good description of Jokic, KG really still keepin up with NBA👏
A KG and Matt show/podcast would be 500x better than Matt and Stak and KG and Paul. This was great
-- Agree. KG has the passion and Barnes is smooth as a motha'.
Pierce? He's is the Kenny Smith of TNT. And Capt Jack? Kenny's older goofy cousin.
Put them all on one cast
KG speaks so fast he hardly knows what he's saying half the time, ya 'no I'm sayin'?
@@jlui21 Pierce not no Kenny foh don't ever disrespect a hall of famer the truth.
Stak is low key fake. His energy doesn’t seem genuine but hey this is just my opinion
When KG make statement JOKER is too good , then we have to shut down all conversation who is no.1 center in the league . End of story , this is KEVIN GARNETT .
This is not true, he said the same about Embiid
@@Ericoo365They been saying that about Giannis for 4 years straight. And I'd love to see the day a team plays Giannis 1 on 1 like they did Joker. 😅
Hakeem already called Jokic "The One" if anything, that shuts it down. Dream said it and meant it, his word means more than KG tbh.
@@TheAbielBeluts This. Hakeem's word on it has the heaviest weight imaginable.
I think people still underestimate how quick jokic actually is
Listening to KG explain how he would go at Jokic us why he’s top 75 all time and one of the greats. Saying shit never hear from most others. Bumping him adjusting running to set screens constant running up the court
Legend
That's the thing KG understands about defense on players at the level of Jokic. It's not about stopping them, you can't. It's the thing that the players who defended (not stopped, not shut down) players like Kobe, Jordan, LeBron, etc. the best understand. It's about letting them know you're gonna be there all day and make them work for every moment they're on the floor. His most important point was about meeting him at the free throw line and running up the court with him. Make them work continually for everything. If your effort begins when players at that level get the ball, you've already lost. You do that relentlessly, game after game, and the last 5 minutes of a vital 4th quarter of a game 6 or 7, maybe they can't quite get to that special level because the tank is nearly empty. You didn't stop them in that moment, you stopped them 6 games back making them work their ass off on a simple inbound pass half way through the first quarter. It's not easy to bring that intensity and never let up when they are dropping shots on you left and right, but it's why the KGs and Rodmans of the game were special.
KG would basically guard Joker how Dwight did in the bubble, but i believe Jokic is now much smarter and that he worked especially on that part
Dwight was a really good defender in his day, I'd say he'd do better than KG also because he's 25 pounds heavier. But Jokic in the bubble doesn't compare to now. He's much much smarter and more mature.
Dwight’s success came because he’s in terrific shape physically and plays ABOVE THE RIM on both ends. That’s Jokic’s kryptonite. Those centers are gone now and fat out of shape centers like Jokic are all that’s left. He’s no MVP with Shaq or KG or Dwight roaming the paint. He’d be dawg food. Luka too.
@@VillainArch22 LOL
@@VillainArch22 why are they gone
@@VillainArch22 Just another dumb black racist. Maybe you should take a IQ test and think long and hard on what exact questions you failed on that you thought were Racist. Finding none, then you have to turn inwards.. And I guarantee you would have a lot to chew on if you were ever man enough.
Ayton been like that for a few years tho. This is on the suns because they pretty much forced him to comeback this year, they should've tried to find a S&T for him last summer.
They had it with the Pacers.
@@theklr they held his ass hostage then got mad when it didn’t work 😂😂😂
@@aboutmillions then fired the coach who wanted him gone…
@@aboutmillions u dumb ash if u don’t think they tried to trade him. Bro was asking for ultra mega super max. Nobody wanted him
@@theklr RIGHT!!!! lol and they prolly gone trade him this summer. Just idiotic GM'ing all around.
You would swear Matt hates making eye contact 😂
Usually you can't trust people like that
You like looking into men eyes
@@cutc2k764 Its about respect.. Only kids are avoiding eye contact.
@@PartyFighter123nah you sus
Unless he is aboriginal, which I suspect he is not, he is more likely a flaky individual. Which doesn't surprise me given all that weed he smokes.
I never thought Z-Bo would be an apt comparison to Joker, but it is! They’re both ground-bound big man with amazing footwork, post moves, and multiple counters. I got to watch me some Z-Bo highlights!
Man I absolutely love watching KG talk basketball and his energy.
Bro....KG ENERGY SO MFKN DOPE!!!! How could you NOT be excited to play with a guy like him. He took the words right outta my mouth about how you have to defend Jokic! You gotta do ya work early and be a pissed off player guarding him. Ayton is happy to be here and not selling coconuts back home....he dont have that hunger to be great. In his mind, he already made it. Kobe would say...."Trade that mfka"! 😂😂😂😂 Ask Dwight😂😂😂
KGs defensive mind even after retirement is still active. He's not for everybody but everyone should appreciate his LOVE FOR THE GAME!
i bet la would like to have kg in roster now :)
I could hear KG talk for hours man. A lot of knowledge from this guy.
I've seen most of the great players live and in person but one of the greatest players I've ever seen is KG in his prime! I couldn't believe what I was seeing! With his size he was still moving like a point guard and dominating everybody on the court! He could absolutely do it all.
It was one of the greatest acts of athleticism I've ever witnessed! 🤯
Mikal being traded hurt them in a big way. Never missed a game for them, could say he was the heart of the team. Definitely a defensive leader and the energy of the team. They added KD but lost so much chemistry and foundation.
They weren't gonna get out the 1st round with that squad
@@guillermovalenzuela537 you don’t know that. They were good regardless of the starters constantly being injured. They were among the top in the west even with Crowder and Cam J not playing. Then even more injuries happened especially to the starters and they still avoided the play in. Healthy they looked like a really strong team even with not trading Crowder yet
@@indamaking agreed. They were all starting to come back from injury while Mikkal was already shinning since ‘23 started. Plus they had trading assets. They had Crowder and Saric + picks. Another wing defender would had made this team tough. I wanted them to wait till the end of the year if it didn’t work then go after KD but i understand why they went for it
We lost by 30 to the mavs with that same heart of team guy, also he disappeared in the finals the year before. Got swept round 1 with the nets also and didn't play well lol
@@tru3dialect the other team had the best player in the series. Mentioning a young role player disappearing in his first finals let alone playoffs is pretty wild
This is why I love KG. He always brings intensity and knows his shit.
You can't really double Jokic in the post though, because thats exactly what he wants. Hes such a great passer, he will find the open guy for three before you even realize what happened.
Zobo is a great comp for joker, Jokic ability to box out with one arm while simultaneously getting a putback is uncanny
Who is Zobo?
@@AVC2323he meant “Zebo” Zach Randolph
I think Joker is only player ever that you can't really double and you can't single cover him. It's crazy.... He might end as a top center all time
Wilt was the Most Dominant on the inside. But Jokic is the most Skilled Big man ever. Both have Strength and Skill and share some overlap. but both are off the charts at what they were the best at.
Shaq toots his own horn. But he was like a Bigger, more muscle bound Z-Bo(but way less skilled). He's a all time great but not as great as he is inside his own head.
You put Wilt in the late 80's with all the pills and personal coaches and cooks, That man would be absolutely killing shaq. You put shaq in the late 60's and 70's and without all those personal trainers, cooks, pills(Cause you know you gonna be Rich as opposed to what they paid players in the 60's) and he really would be just a Fat Giant with little skill. Think Oliver Miller instead of Big Aristotle.
have you ever heard of a guy named lebron james 🤣
@@marcr196 You ever heard of a discussion about best All Time Centers and some Idiotic Fool comes in with PF(Look that up) Lebron James and some stupid crying smiley face emoji as if he owned anything other than his left thumb which he is sitting on with it stuck way up his arse.
@Marc Rego did not know lebron is a center.
Jokic doesn't dominate defensively. Therefore, he will never be the greatest center of all time. Period
DA should spend a summer with KG. Honestly. KG seems to love
him and believe in him. It might just possibly bring the best out of the big fella
Congrats KG, as an italian I really admire your level of gestures / hand communication 🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
That's what makes jokic so great. If the guards come down to swipe the ball or double...he is the best passing center maybe of all time and that leaves the guards on the perimeter wide open.
Edit: it seems people cannot read very well. Best passing center...why the F yall bringing up guards?
"maybe" I mean at this point the only maybe is if he's the best passer of all time full stop
@@QGfk1 Exactly, he might be the best passer ever, not only for a big man but for every position and im a Lebron fan, Jokic is just an ALL TIME great player and some people hate analytics but these same people will tell you MJ, Lebron, Shaq, Wilt, Kareem, Curry, Duncan, Hakeem, KD ect are Top 10 and guess what, they all dominated the analytics stats, almost every years (Like 90%) the MVP lead the league in most analytics stats, and both MJ and Lebron who are the 2 GOAT dominated the analytics stats like no other players, and Jokic right now look like he is in the middle of his GOAT peak …
@@QGfk1 he is a great passer, no question. But I’m not convinced that he’s better than Magic or Bird.
@@QGfk1 he’s not a better overall passer than magic or bird yet. There’s also kidd, peak cp3, bron, Nash, and others that are comparable or better. Now he’s definitely in the convo. But not quite the best just yet.
Well what you’re talking about is not the same as a “dig”…what you’re talking about is a full commit. A “dig” however is where the guard is basically halfway between the perimeter player and post player. Defender is feinting at the post player but not fully committing unless the post turns his back. It’s to discourage all the post dribbling and staying in position to double or go for a steal if the opportunity presents itself, but you can also still close out on the perimeter defender.
If you played college, you basically spend 3/4 of practice doing it lol.
Problem is that most NBA players, especially the younger ones, don’t know how to play defense….and the ones who do don’t really want to. Plus add in fans who don’t really want to see that. But trust there were MULTIPLE things they could’ve done to slow him down
Everybody been saying AD can handle Jokic for this next series yet what i just heard from KG is nothing that Anthony Davis does 😅
AD ain't handling nobody
@T Love I already knew this, but hearing KG say what he would do and thinking that its nothing like Anthony Davis was just funny considering what ppl are saying 😂😂😂😂
AD can’t handle Jokic 😂
no one guy can but I think he's more equipped to than anybody else, none of the other shot blockers in the league have the same combination of strength, mobility and length except jjj. I'd rather leave him alone with AD than send help
AD is 250 at the best, Jokic is 290.
He will eat AD at the post.
And from the last time they met, Jokic is much better than he was.
Ayton quit on his team , period. Once you mentally exit the game, you can't adjust to anything. Ask Deron Williams, also we need a Zach Randolph interview. Too much respect for bro , we need his story.
To be frank, anybody playing the Joker quits. It's pointless actually even trying to stop him.
The coach & star players already quit on him. The franchise didn't believe in him to give the max & the team doesn't feed him to maximize his talent. He's a 20-10 center. Nd can be more impactful if given the heart. Or maybe he just don't love the game
@@Atlas365247 Not true, he actually worked very hard to improve his game, which he did and ended up signing a 4 year 132 million dollar contract.
I hate it when people make up narratives, like they know a guy, when they're just fans who have no idea what's going on.
If people want to talk film fine. But don't speculate on an actual pro athlete's character, when they most likely have probably worked most of their life being a supreme basketball player.
Deandre Ayton can always say that he will be closer to the level of a Lebron James in his prime than you as a fan can say you personally are compared to the worst NBA player in the league.
@@kanajingly8957 ayye bro loosen those knee pads you got on. It's not making you think straight
@@Atlas365247 thank you!!! They didn’t believe in him. If you look at it now they didn’t believe in the process. They don’t utilize him and it’s very diminishing when a 2 time MVP does his thing but you don’t get the opportunity to go back at him. We lost this series because we stopped playing Suns basketball. Stopped the ball movement and 0.5 offense to iso ball and stopped using our bench. If DA was the main reason for the issue then we shouldn’t have gotten embarrassed again
Man. You gotta love listening to ticket talk ball!
Bro I love hearing these 2 talk it out the LOVE/PASSION for the game!! I just don’t see this pouring out of the these current gen and upcoming gen of hoopers
Ayton is Ben Simmons 2.0. Dude plays more COD than work on his basketball. Also when watching his interviews, the dude is not self-aware.
When he talked about testing Jokic's conditioning by running to the offensive side of the court, that makes so much sense. He basically said he would tire Jokic out by playing aggressively on both sides of the court.
I agree but then I think that’s kind of hard with KD & Book on his team offensively…
Exactly ppl keep letting him just mosey down the court he barely breaks a sweat on defense and offensively he gets to his spots to easily
He would play hard unlike Ayton who isn't lol
@@baldeagle7800 Jokic is that guy, no doubt
Jokic is in a lot better shape than most of these guys think he is. Dude has to play half his games at altitude, and anyone trying to push the pace on him there is going to be gassed early and then Jokic can just toy with them the rest of the game. Outside Denver, they can probably push it longer, but Jokic is going to have more wind there, too.
Fantastic KG, a pleasure to watch him talk with passion about his passion
The way KG describes these scenarios truly shows that he was an invaluable player on that Boston Celtics championship team.
KG funny asl 😂. Love that dude. The way he reinacted wrestling with Zebo was pure comedy 🤣.
Bruh I can listen to KG’s talk ball all week! IQ is crazy!! Thinking the game is so fascinating 👏🏽
🔥 🔥 episode!!
Never really listened to these guys before but dam they have some high level basketball iQ. I have a whole new respect for KG & Matt now.
Matt’s too high for KG’s energy 😂
Excellent analysis from both of these two great players. Love these guys.
I LOVE THIS THANK Y'ALL OG'S
as an aside, the respect KG gave to Z-Bo at 2:15 is phenomenal.
He got his contact to give zero effort is unacceptable.
Funny how KG talking bout Ayton being disengaged and Matt fully staring off into space with that “mhmm” 😂
wow this was an amazing breakdown always loved KG man man is a beast
KG is real af… I’m glad I was able to watch him play
If you truly love basketball, KG’s description of how he would guard Joker was one of the most beautiful things iv ever heard in my life! I could imagine it all in my head as he was talking 😂
Faacts,like he alluded to as far as physicality...nobody and I mean noooobody in todays game fouls out anymore. Like you got 5 of them thanks for a reason..try to frustrate your opponent,throw off his rhythm,etc..the crazy thing is Jokic perimeter D is a lil sus so why not let DA come out a little to show some skills but as I type this shit..Yeah dat nigga Joker the truth fr! Didn't have him as my MVP..had Greek Freek but um yeah!
@@antoniomcmahon3499 Ayton just isn’t a dog like that yet.. the moment was to big for him, he was playing that soft ass defense against Joker the whole series! like KG said, Joker wasn’t complaining one bit 😂 he took all that space Ayton provided him and simply picked the whole damn defense apart
@@BIGZphillybirdfan yeah maan, he definitely needs new scenery but that contract may be hampering! Me and my brother get into it all the time about why no one plays in post anymore...and you right, u gotta want it up in there!!!
@@antoniomcmahon3499 great post work takes a lot of skill, having footwork, timing, knowing how to create a little separation, having touch.. it takes a lot of time and practice
This is the first episode of this show that draws me in. Incredible by KG and matt
Well said. But the part in the guards not doing anything to Jokic in the post.. they literally can’t. Jokic is the point guard and if they try to leave their man Jokic hits the open man with a pass so clean and on time it’s amazing to watch. And because his supporting cast is consistent and firing rn… it’s just a BANG
yo kg got that energy lmao if he was a coach dudes would run thru walls for him.
Yea but he was quick to rule out ever coaching because he believes he would be fired the next day following his hire
@andysmilos lmao that is funny honestly. I believe he would be a good coach on any team with a thriving big man, maybe not a head coach but he had knowledge to give.
Man... The way KG is describing how he'd defend Jokic... This matchup would've been LIT!
Awesome commentary ! KG should mentor. He has so much to offer
Wow. Really good stuff!
Listening to KG break down basketball is like listening to Ray Lewis talk about football… could listen to them all day and not get bored.
Would be interesting to see KG try to defend Joker… but I’m not sure how much success he’d have. Tough to get into Joker’s head and even to bother him physically… KG is about 240 I think… Joker is 290. Big difference. Love that he’s getting his due now though after he was slandered all season.
Ray Lewis killed a guy and no one cares lol
Joker's vision is just unbelievable, and to make matter worse, the team chemistry is top notch. There are games where I don't even think PHX had any chance to react and Joker alrdy 1) got the ball, 2) survey the court, 3) find his open man, 4) pass to the open man and 5) score and back to def. Ayton certainly was not making it hard for Joker did what he did, but at the same time, Nuggets has to get the recognition for how fluid they played.
Lol I would love to have a conversation with KG. Such a passionate individual. No surprise his show is a hit.
There is no Stopping Jokic👍💪
I know Joker is 2x MVP and made an amazing case for 3 in a row this year but because he isn't flashy, does he lull guys to sleep on defense? When Hakeem had you in the post you probably felt like it's game on and every ounce of energy is on making his shot difficult. With Joker he may go up, toward the rim, back out, pass to a cutter, whip it cross court etc.. so you aren't locked on stopping him. Seems crazy I know.
There is no answer to stop Jokic. He gets you 30 a game on like 60% from the field, 40% from 3. And if you double him he just so happens to be the best passer to ever play the game. That's why he's on his way to becoming the greatest offensive player ever. Best defense against is just hoping the guys around him miss open shots.
We will see next match up ayton didn’t play physically at all with joker like kg said gotta get physical with with elbow him bump him joker did it to ayton that’s why he sat out last game with rib injury
I was with you till you said he was the best passer ever. Better than Nash, Stockton, magic, and Bron already huh? Okay
@@paulturner8550 Yes he very well could be, just youtube jokic passing. Dude has like 45 minuet reels of just otherworldly vision. And he's only 28, he's only getting better.
@@paulturner8550 I too was hesitant to go that far already, but after watching Thinking Basketball's video about Jokic potentially being the best passer ever, I started to include him in these conversations, his IQ is off the charts
@@paulturner8550 he’s no where on those player’s level when it comes to passing. He is the best passing Center I’ve seen but to compare him to PG’s like Nash, Magic, Stockton and Kidd is ridiculous. Westbrook, Harden, Luka are also high assist players… nobody has them as all time great passing guards.
Aww man..hearing KG talk basketball makes me miss the old days of the NBA.
Great commentary fellas🎉🏀🍿
How come these dudes still don’t understand that if you double Jokic he is going to kill you with passing. He’s taking all those dribbles trying to bait the guards into coming down so he can pass for a wide open layup. That’s why he’s better than Embiid and other good centers. YOU CANNOT DOUBLE JOKIC
Watching the suns and how they play offense, I’ve always felt like Ayton never gets any plays called for him. It’s always pin downs or pick n rolls with the 3 others stars. He’s the type of big man you need to feed on offense so he doesn’t start getting disengaged on defense. They ask Ayton to do things no other suns player is asked to do, rebound and play defense. Ayton has happened to guard MVPS when he comes up short, Giannis or Joker. I’d be disengaged too if my teammates just wanted me to set picks and rebound and pass out while they take highly contested 2 pt shots and harder 3s.
He got fed to start every game, he couldn't convert. He's also getting paid $30 million a year to do the dirty work, is that not motivation enough? Plenty of big men around the league get less touches and are paid less, but don't seem to have a problem doing the dirty work (Looney, Zubac, Robert Williams, Poeltl, Capela, etc.)
Damn I love this insider information about the game!!’
Salute brothers!
Most frustrating part about DA is the flashes of potential, that entire 2021 playoff run he was locked in and it showed, for the first time he looked like a star and it hurts to see him lose all interest
Fools Gold, but ya it's super Confusing seeing flashes because inevitably they'll be more let downs than flashes
Unfortunately as much as we blame DA from his lack of interest. That ‘21 run both Monty , James Jones and us fans let him down. Monty allowed him to get embarrassed by the all time great Giannis , James didn’t show him the respect by not giving him the contract be earned that post season which mostly he was our most consistent player, and us fans were so harsh on the kid we blamed him so much for alot of things that weren’t his fault. I Can really see this guy being great in another team and us as Suns fans dont admit to all those facts
He doesnt like the coach, the kobe wannabe in Book and the showing up to work in that environment. Just needs a change of venue.
@@DavidGarcia-on9gn I understand that man but he is supposed to use that as a motivation to prove everybody wrong … that’s how a competitor would think but he lack confidence or I don’t know what’s happening in his mind.
@@Supervagabond3 Ayton always wanted to have a bigger role in the offense… and Monty just shunned him. Ayton has done everything the Coach and organization has asked and never complained… that changed last season when they didn’t want to give him the max. He sacrificed offensive stats and concentrated on defense for the sake of the team during that Finals run. And then they didn’t want to pay him. If they truly didn’t want him and believed he wasn’t worth the max then they wouldn’t of matched the Pacers offer. James Jones just wanted to try and retain Ayton on a cheaper contract and now it’s blowing back on them.
Shoot even bringing in KD I knew it was going to make the team worse… only player to benefit playing with KD was Booker… CP3’s assist went down, Ayton and the rest of the team other than Booker’s scoring has went down… the team got significantly worse on defense… no chemistry and they offense has become way more predictable with this heavy iso offense. Now they are hard capped so bring in new additional players will be impossible and they give up 4 future first round picks.
KG pumped himself up!!!!
Some have 8t, some don't.
Ayton has been my favorite player since we drafted him, he went to high-school in the same city as me, he went to UofA and worked out for NO ONE but the Suns. It's a situation that's snow balled and seems to be at a fork in the road. Montys gone, hopefully someone can come in and REALLY teach DA how to change his attitude a bit, and use that size and strength. I hope we keep him because he's GOING to figure it out, and I'll forever be thankful for the night he brought back the WCF trophy 🏆, and let EVERY FAN that wanted to, come touch the trophy as he was standing out the moonroof w TC.... All time Suns big man, hope he can help get us 2 Finals 🤞🏻🧡💜☀️🏀🏜
This is what it sounds like when you are OBSESSED with basketball. Shout out to KG… That’s the difference.
Ayton is the perfect example that it’s not all about the talent but personality’s matter in sports. everyone is good at the pro level but how bad you want it deep down in your soul is key guys Kobe Jordon Tom Brady Muhammad Ali would be willing to die in order to win at all cost. Guys like Ayton Marvin bagley JR rider Ryan leaf all talented but got rich and stop trying and winning is a option not the only thing that matters
Imagine Jokic with Ayton's athleticism or Ayton with Jokic's skill and touch.
@@71SanClare wilt chamberlain is his name
@@71SanClare wilt chamberlain
Ayton is so skilled. A problem could be that he’s ready for a bigger offensive role but in the system is supposed to do a lot of the dirty work. It does make the game easier when you’re constantly doing everything but can also be demotivating when you feel like you aren’t getting your touches
What are you watching? Homie has no touch around the basket.
@@someguy9981 He actually has a great touch. Just no heart.
Did you see AD worry about getting his 'touches' last night? He just worried about touching every rebound and touching anyone's shots who came near the paint.
@@someguy9981 I’m actually watching, that’s the thing. Your comment proves to met that you don’t watch
@@daveclark8337 horrible comparison, AD was and is a star, he has nothing to prove in the league. He gets his touches no matter what, he’s not asked to be a glue guy. Not close to the same situation
Damn, KG is intense. I'll try and watch this podcast rn
I love the unfiltered basketball talk from retired players. So fire hearing it from their pov
Because Jokic is the best player in the world! He dominates everybody.
Ayton is just too damn soft. Period, he's too busy wanting to play those damn video games
Honestly the reason Ayton got dominated is because he was going against Jokic. Show me one nba game where somebody has actually stopped jokic.
Anytime the suns actually did something to counter jokic, he just countered the countermove. How the fuck are you gonna stop a 7 footer who has an IQ on offence not seen since Larry Bird, who can basically score any time he ever wants?
This video sums it up:
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he is soft for sure but it didn't help that he had to guard Jokic of all people lol
Jokic sent him to the gulag
@@nikolakrstic8079 Jokic has been doing that everyone 😂😂
Now you see what suns fans have been complaining about him for years
Joker will get taken out of the Lakers series by phantom foul calls. The fix is in.
Good show 👍🏿
I don’t think we would ever see someone like KG, one of the greatest ever for sure!
same stats as duncan,duncan just had better team and coach so he win more
@@ziginaigra Of course and the impact of TD to win was different.
HE GOT DOMINATED BY GIANNIS IN 2021 NBA FINALS TOO! SMDH!
Truthfully, he hasn't been the same since then
True
@@charlesconner9044 Truthfully he got dominated by Jokic, because Jokic is the most dominant player we've seen at 7 feet tall since Shaq.
Wow. He/his team got dominated by top 10-15 players of all time. No one ever calls out players that got dominated by other stars like Shaq, Bron, Jordan. We tend to praise the offensive players. But when someone finds a scapegoat they will run with it.
calm down man, he dominated by all time greats, not some randome dudes
That part when KG was describing exactly how he would mix up against jokic is exactly why I miss the older era of the game. These new dudes just don’t have that same mentality otherwise they’d show it with their actions. The game ain’t the same.
Yeah I'm sure they had strategies against Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Shaq, but at the end of day some players are just too great to be stopped.
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"it's just not the same as it used to be" is how every single thing has been described forever. there were probably ancient Greeks complaining about how these Olympians nowadays are soft, not like they were 20 years ago
@@Wyndamn jokic is such a unique problem too bc nobody can guard him alone (maybe ad can actually do a decent job, at least better than anybody else), but if you try to double or send help at best he's gonna hit a guy for a wide open 3, but he'll probably hit a guy for a layup. and you cannot ever switch on him
@@QGfk1 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 man these Olympic athletes soft AF, ain't nobody died , had sex with there mother or killed a minotaur or nothing!!!
This was a dope conversation..
I can listen to KG and Barnes talk ball all day long. Love this shit.
Suns would have 2 rings by now if Ayton had KG’s mentality
KG’s mentality getting get him a ring in Minnesota though. DA isn’t the reason they don’t have two rings. He’s actually one of the main reasons they even made the finals
@alberth1150 KG was never the "reason" those Minny teams didn't win a chip. Matter of fact, without him they wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs, so stop da 🧢.
@@alberth1150the regular season may have 15-30 games that mfkas really go hard in...the playoffs is where you stamp ya name...and Ayton got embarrassed 2 years in a row....First by Luka...and now by Jokic. Ayton has no drive, no heart. Sleeping on silk sheets makes it hard to grind if all you ever wanted was to "make it". Ayton is happy not to be a cab driver or fisherman back home, period.
@@817akamrtalktoomuch stop it!!! Just stop it! So you wanna blame him for losses but no credit for wins? Didn’t realize DA was guarding Luka lol He’s suppose to Stop Gianni’s while keeping Lopez/Portis off the glass lol. Middleton worked Bridges, Luka work Bridges yet it’s all DA’s fault lol
No! Suns would have 2 rings if Monty Williams had Eric Gregg Pop, Steve Kerr or Doc Rivers mentality. He's an idiot.
Ayton needs to be more involved in the offense. A lot of talented players will disengage if they aren't getting the touches they think they deserve.
I really don't understand Ayton man...I feel like every time I watch the Suns he's getting like 12-15 points in a quarter and then 2 points the rest of the game.
Hahahaha he just doesn't love it.... Cp3 has been feeding him all season his motor just doesn't burn hot
that sounds like an Ayton problem, no drive
problem is when you pass to him he loses the ball half the time
They would pass more to him if he didn't fumble the dang ball so much
Liking this casual OG discussion
God dang this is the funniest basketball clip in history kg is a real life gem a genius and comedian
Ayton is still talented, i think he needs a new start in a new team, where he gets love, respect and a new role.
That’s what he wanted, he was very clear about not wanting to be there, they were signaling that they didn’t want him there. He wanted to be featured, like a normal #1 pick so he signed with Indiana and begged the Suns not to match his deal.
They matched.
I don’t know if they read this or not, but I would love to hear them talk about teammates who didn’t want to be there but were forced back to a the team through restricted free agency, how that affected team chemistry and if they got over it, how?
Good ?.
I love me some KG. The man keeps it real, nothing but respect.
KG was giving some jewels this segment