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Neil Ferguson couldn’t get a Kinder Surprise model right.
The officials in charge of the response are an absolute disgrace and should be on trial for crimes against humanity, not honored with knighthood/damehoods.
Absolutely disgusting …so frustrating.
The apparent level of incompetence and BS is astounding. Thats political incompetence and scientific failure. The cabinet was dri en by the media and not by rational decision making. We can probably trace the origins of this failure back to Tony Blair's style of government. Moving ministers every other year is a recipe for short termism and incompetent decision making. What ha e these people ever done in a business or related to their roles?
By officials, do you mean politicians? And by politicians, do you mean, tory politicians?
@@davidhogg657 Tory politicians, as well as those that supported and even demanded harsher restrictions like that spineless WEF puppet Keir Starmer and the rest of his snivelling pathetic Labour politicians that voted in favour mandates and furthermore ignore excess deaths we experience right now. The notion that democracy is having the right to choose between one oppressor or another is utter BS, and lets not forget the Britains brightest and best "doctors and scientist", the like Van Tam, Whitty, Vallance and Ferguson, all corrupted parasites making a literal killing from their misinformation; some of which now actually for the pharma companies they helped garner such massive profits for while removing our liberty.
The Pandemic Cabinet and all those who supported them should be inspected at a molecular level. The Treasury also needs a microscope investigation asap.
Nuremberg Code for all that took part in the covid fraud !!!
Microscope ? Given the scale of the corruption, you'll need a telescope, my friend. A big one. I think they tried using Arecibo and that's how it broke down.
It will happen _EVERYONE_ is fed up NOT just those on the sidelines watching these people increase their bank accunts.
The Plandemic will be quickly forgotten about now that a, 'tiny minority of radical Muslims' are showing their true colours.
They couldnt run a fckn raffle
Neil Fergusson couldn't model the winner of a one horse race.
How arrogant of you.
@@Andrew-rc3vh 🤡
Well none of his models historically have come close to representing reality. They have mostly wildly exaggerated, which is great for promoting hysteria. The chances of his horse (or his trousers😂) falling at the first jump are pretty high.
@@Andrew-rc3vh Why? Fergusson has never had one of his ' model predictions 'come anywhere near close to being in the same hemisphere as accurate.
One wonders what juicy epithets were used in reference to our lovely politicians in this sorry saga.
And morally bankrupt monarchy exhibit Prince (A) known to police as F***wit h _redacted_
This is just a guess, but I imagine 'C*ckwomble' and 'Sh!tgoblin' were used.
Look at the positions vantam and valance now hold.
Prof Carl Heneghan is head of the centre for evidence based medicine at Oxford University. He was ideally placed to comment on the government's handling of the pandemic, and did so. History appears to have proved him correct. Clearly some do not like that.
Like Open Democracy, it seems.
Where is the evidence that Covid vaccines work?
Where are the double blind tests indicating a benefit above the control group?
talk about looking for someone to blame.
The EBM community has been viciously attacked by industry and its cheerleaders. Trying to undermine Prof Henegan's reputation is a disgraceful act which may erode public trust further.
In fact, Prof Edmunds and his team made far more errors, just like the US CDC.
My view as an EBM expert.
well said
As a very respectful request; Could you PLEASE include who the witnesses are in these videos.
I am not in the UK and am not familiar with many of the lesser known people and faces.
This would be a tremendous help to those who are not always on top of UK politics and personalities.
I am ngl as a very political brit I don’t recognise this guy either
While this inquiry goes on, the daily mail readers won’t read anything about it, they’ll just be reading about what winter coat Kate Middleton wore today
Absolutely no surprise that they are trying to discredit anyone who disagreed with the narrative.
This isn’t an enquiry. It’s a cover up.
The person spelling f*ckwit with two t's made my irony meter explode.
Surely it should have been Witty in the chair?
Known to police as F***witty
Wait, are you actually too stupid to realise that Chris Whitty has already been called to give evidence at the enquiry and will be called again several times before it's over? I mean you can't even spell his name correctly, so I guess you are too stupid to understand how an equiry works.
You mean Sir Whitty, don't forget his Knighthood. Then there's Van Tam who went on to work for Moderna.
He either was or will be.
@@PostingCringeOnMain*inquiry
Stupid.
@openDemocracy Very grateful for the clips. But can you put a link to the full session in the description. People need to hear the whole debacle to get fully gobsmacked. Many thanks.
Here in new Zealand we don't suffer fools and these folks have still yet to admit the wrong they have caused humanity ,and they could not lie straight in bed .Shame,shame on all of them.
Utter bollox!
You elected THAT DREADFUL WOMAN (ARDERN) to represent your country.
She is a WEF acolyte.
@OpenDemocracy, has there yet been any commentary about the 'track, trace & isolate' regime being shut down when there were around 6 cases in the UK, allowing SARS2 to spread uncounted the length & breadth of the country or the lack of any checks at ports & airports allowing spread to & from the entire world?
Has this been compared with the response to SARS-1 in 2002?
There were 6 cases in the country before people even knew. When they were reporting 6 cases it would already be thousands.
Wow how outrageous, who’s been proven correct ..Carl Heneghan.
Carl Heneghan is spot on here.
I get the impression that the way this video is being presented , is an exercise in scapegoating.
my thoughts too, no doubt are comments are being watched. To which I say screw you !!
What was that??🎶 ITS BYOB Mate !!
No!! Tell Boris it's the prince's funeral tomorrow..!
@@mikedavis-kp1sx You shouldn’t drink so early in the evening. I bow to your superior intellect and understanding of medicine.
PS. You don’t have to be a conarde all the time , particularly this time.
Correct! That scientist made valid points. He's spot on about closed minds in scientists
No not scapegoating, accountability, responsibility and learning important lessons for the future.
The COVID response is a dark page in western democracy and science.
Had the rockets been allowed to be designed based on alternative opinions of "people's experts", they would never get off the ground in anyhting other than a fireball. There is a reason why "experts of narrow fields" make sense. No, they are not there to make policy but they are the ones who have the best chance of providing the right answers to questions that fall within their fields. I've heard many a Nobel laurate spout absolute rubish, nonsensical ideas that were not in their fields. But experts within those fields don't even bat an eye at that - it's normal, almost to be expected. Please note: 1. an expert is not always right (even when they give an opinion within their own field, but 2. an expert has the best chance to be right. Also: 3. the level of conviction in one's own opinion does not relate to how likely they are to be right 4. there are established theories" the core of which are no longer debated and somebody bringing that in itself up as a weakness (in lieu of a "lack of an open mind") is almost always a "professional contrarian" (somebody creating a niche for themselves by questioning basic established theories without real new evidence) or a troll/social media couch warrior with an uninformed opinion. It's not that theories (however well established) are not subject to revisiting from time to time - but those revisits happen either in light of new evidence or a new competing hypothesis. I'd argue that one of the greatest long-term effects of the current pandemic is the debasing and dismantling of epidmeiological and public health policies that placed societal health above the health and freedoms of the individual. I would argue that on the face of it, this was done NOT because of any new evidence or competing epidemiological hypothesis emerged, merely these policies happened to be in direct opposition to libertarian priorities. What we are seeing now is a continuation of the same fight, ie to establish politically correct libertarian "truths" as "real science". This of course simply does not work within the scientific community, however it does work at the level of public understanding (or misunderstanding).
is the chap asking the questions getting paid by the government?
No. He's the KC hired by the enquiry
where do you think the white wash committee gets its money from. My guess would be the government. @@bigkdog5091
@@bigkdog5091so yes…he is being paid by the government via the tax you pay
So that would apply to anyone
@@janwynne-woodhouse5144 i;m not paid by the government..are you?
Carl Heneghan, in case you wanna check what he said.
AND THERE STILL PUSHING THIS POISON TO THIS VERY DAY.
Where about is this "there," that you speak of, what poison & what `s with all the capital letters?
Eh?
Hi Open Democracy, thank you for this, it is the first time I have actually heard Carl Heneghan speak!, as one of the people involved in the original Barrington Declaration I am not at all surprised by his gentle, sensible manner of delivery, the fact that he will not make any dogmatic assertions one way or another suggests to me that unlike far too many of the ideologues in positions of authority he is able to keep his mind open an continue to learn!. For some time now I have been pondering the implied meaning of the phrase 'made up my mind', is it actually fair to say that this is what people do when they think a conclusion must be reached now and if needed resort to imagination is appropriate, this in reference to the 'making up' bit suggesting that some element of fiction is allowed in the light of the urgency.
From this I am now thinking that in all circumstances that act always implies a closing of the subject and end to the debate and this is something that is fundamentally alien to any scientist.
Cheers, Richard.
Heneghan is a f£&kwit as described by Edmunds. He has no expertise in what was being discussed and his advice was followed on numerous occasions by Johnson instead follow what experts were advising - he’s the genius who suggested herd immunity, despite not understanding how it works…
"If you believe, you don´t think," a saying of the Lakota people.
@@kerryburns6041 Hi Kerry Burns, thank you so very much for this reply!, you cannot begin to imagine just how pleased I am to see something that comes from those people, many years ago I came across a book that related much about their history band culture, my favourite has always been that while they had forty completely different words for different sort of rain, as in 'light rain with gentle breeze', one word, 'heavy rain with thunder and lightning', one word they had no words at all for could, should, if but or maybe!.
At the time I was quite shocked but due consideration made me re-think so much of what I had just accepted, now while I do still use those terms I understand they have no 'real' meaning or relevance.
I have now embarked on a policy of no longer ever 'making up my mind', as long as I can I am going to keep it open!.
Cheers, Richard.
@@richardharvey1732
Thanks for your response, believing has been problematic for me too !
A video I saw by a Lakota elder made quite an impression, he said their language contained no nouns.
In my metaphysical reading I learn that naming things is a way of going from the immediate experience to the general classification, and consequently losing the moment of encounter and real recognition.
It's a rose -- move on !
(No! It is a miracle, unique!)
Eliminating nouns, or not needing them in the first place, would indicate a different way of perceiving the world, a way which would render impossible the idea of plundering the planet.
A way of sustaining a civilisation for 12 thousand years without leaving behind so much as an empty Coke can.
I've just put the clocks back, and remembered the words of a wise chief who said only the Englishman would think that cutting a foot off the bottom of his blanket and sewing it to the top would result in a longer blanket.
I don't know where we took the wrong turn, but we should have turned back long ago.
Individually we can, collectively - I´m not so sure.
The worst abominations have been committed by people who had made up their minds, people who should have realised that certainty was just a feeling.
Rather unfortunate that they were in government.
@@kerryburns6041 Hi Kerry Burns, thank you!, I can hardly believe this! are you really there am I dreaming!. A few weeks ago when the topic of personal pronouns was being aired I gave it some thought and announced that in my opinion the act of giving a person a name of any sort qualifies as a form of tyranny!. The attempt by one person to take control of another. Now here you are telling me that others have been there long before me!. On that subject of identity I am still a trifle conflicted, in my heart I would very much like to identify as Lakota but I am not sure I would be welcomed by them!.
My wife and I here in Cambridge have just enjoyed a delightful visit from my thirty seven year old niece who is currently engaged in all sorts of interesting 'alternative' projects, in Scotland where she lives they have a government department responsible for the 'wellness economy' she is not at all sure those two things are compatible!.
As far as I am concerned like so many other things in 'modern' culture concepts like 'economy' are pure fiction, there is no such thing!. The rerality of every living person's life is a complex of dynamic relationships no part of which sits still long enough to be counted!.
I am also convinced that while the enabling aspects demonstrated by the exercise of 'power to' or ability are totally different from the authoritarian concepts of 'power over' where the best they can manage is to impede and interupt the effective actions of the peasants who should only ever do exactly as they are told!.
Cheers, Richard.
There has got to be some way that these people can be charged with criminal offences by our system , if not then it’s time we instigated this !
So, an enquiry probably prevents a trial ?
This is disturbing - but am I the only one who doesn't know which name goes with which face, or sometimes which names are even in play?
That does make it hard to evaluate who is actually the f*wit!
Heneghan is one of the only scientists who has remained steady in his condemnation of the Covid pandemic government response.
Always be deeply sceptical about political 'shirt-tail' science. As with the court astrologers who always told the monarchs exactly what they wanted to hear.
Some excellent commentary here - if only some of you folks could have some influence or voice on our Govt. Just to clarify, I am being 100% genuine when i say this.
'F***wit' sage, yep that sounds about right.
All of these text messages really do read like a bunch of people with a very low level of emotional intelligence and maturity. Thats what we need to focus on, how these people got into power. (would possibly be worse right now if it was Labour_)
On evidence of past thirteen years your supposition that it could have been worse under whoever is hard to sustain. Even a champion limbo dancer would find it impossible to manoeuvre under the very low bar set by the moronic, lying cretins posing as the present government.
Carl was one of the few scientists who talked any sense during covid....not following the bullshit narrative of the Govt or MSM. I salute him....
I salute your cognitive dissonance and determination to hang onto your beliefs in the face of experts attempts to confuse you with the facts
@@tomricketts7821I salute yours.
Iain Davies book Pseudo Pandemic..all the evidence backed up there.
I too like it when people feed my confirmation bias and blind cynicism.
NO YOURS!!! MORE!!!! The scientist in question was a layperson with respect to virology and epidemiology. He made schoolboy errors in his analysis. But you still support him. It's not cognitive dissonance, it's your stupidity
Sounds more like the person asking the questions fits that description!
Carl Heneghan was a hero - level headed, methodical, rational and considered in his explanations.
LMAO
‘Some Certainty’ is what Statisticians refer to as the ‘Confidence Level’. This is never complete certainty because this is unattainable in empirical sciences due to our inability to rule out unexpected eventualities known as ‘black swans’. Only deductive statements are 100% certain for which no research of any kind is necessary. Forecasts are however based on inferences which admit the possibility of alternative causes other than those supposed hypothetically.
It is wrong to accuse modellers of certainty, and he knows it.
The above is taught to students of statistics very early in their first year at university, or for that matter in school.
This testimony makes me rather cross.
It's also beloved of conspiracy theorists, because you can't prove Covid mortality rates, human climate change, the moon landings, or the Earth being round 100%, so "it's just a theory bro". And implicitly because it's not quite totally certain, we should be buying their particular fairy tales.
They shot this guy down for not following their lets be charitable and say "views" while fergusons projections and models were later proved a lauging stock, along with his well known adventures in lockdown. If it was left to edmunds and ferguson we'd all still be incarcerated in our own homes on the advice of "experts". Edmunds always chose the sternest measures, paying total disregard to the socio-econmic impact, or it's damaging impact on mental health. My main beef is they didn't need a new bullshit "act" of law rushed throuigh the back door in a matter of days. The civii contingencies act 2004 would have covered all things covid however it didn't suit their "purposes".
Edmunds, of the screwed up face, announced in September 2020 that he wouldn't be seeing any of his elderly relatives at Christmas. I imagine they must have been delighted. He loved the power of lockdown, aka national house arrest, however, last year he said that the modelling he contributed to was "too scary" & the effects it would have on many aspects of life were not taken into account. Not just a screwed up face but TWO of them!
A so called 'Expert'. lols
Sadly no matter how many papers are published by an “expert” doesn’t mean that the information is correct. Too many conflicts of interest and lack of good peer reviews has left many of us distrusting the “science”. Whose “science” is it?
Hopefully,that which is based upon the scientific method.
He was not a ‘peer’ when he was reviewing anything, since it was not his area of expertise.
You mean you don't understand how science works?
Looks like another carefully edited piece of propaganda typical of the last few years. No context. No rebuttals.
Actually these are the wrong questions. Should be asking Heneghan about the things he got right 3:00. The modelling approach was clearly a disaster but no-one wanted to hear him saying that so they just ganged up on someone who went to the wrong school
The govt made a concious decision not to gather data at the detailed level that would help model transmission for covid or future diseases because it would cost a few million more - think it was about £4m.
@@theotherside8258 How they treated data should be the subject of an inquiry in itself. I saw Professor Norman Fenton fuming on several occasions on the John Campbell channel. Don't know if he is being called to give evidence.
The cap seems to fit.
Just awful behaviour. This Covid inquiry is embarrassing. Hallett has put her name to this. Really?
Any examination of _current_ unexpected mortality
Don't hold your breath
The ONS has been holding steady at about 100 Covid deaths per week for many months.
If you have peer-reviewed evidence that shows it to be above average in a way not connected to any other factors, please share it. But you don't, and you won't.
@@paulgibbon5991 you think the ONS data is corrupt? Why do you think that?
@@alanhat5252 ... because it was corrupted and manipulated....look up Prof Norman Fenton and Ivor Cummins...
This will be a big red embarassment to the current swollen pockets from B Harma shares and stocks deals.
We would honestly be far better off without any goverment at all then have these CLOWNS at the helm. God help us!
Don't imagine it would have been better under Labour because the wants even more!!!
So F'wit or otherwise, who was this man & what was his role/official position during Covid?
He is someone who questioned the Covid narrative particularly the methodology and conclusions of the epidemiological models used throughout the pandemic.
Carl Heneghan.
A GP who wrote tons of articles in the Telegraph against any lockdown and Covid in general.
@@thereisadog3717As the referenced comment suggested; the F**wit...
@@parametr
He is an Epidemiologist as is Sunetra Gupta from Oxford CEBM who also dared to question the Covid narratives and got ridiculed on BBC Question Time and patronised by that famous "expert" Fiona Bruce. 😏
@@adamknight7041 he seems to agree that he is _not_ an epidemiologist.
"'F***wit' scientist" missed the point, he shouldn't have even been consulted on the issue.
Groups can form an opinion which quickly becomes a "truth" - and any evidence to the contrary will annoy and aggravate - producing such comments as in that record. It's a hazardous thing to hold onto an opinion about a complex situation, particularly a changing one when data quality may not be as it should be and pressures of time are forcing decisions earlier than desired.
Fxxkwit, is better than I would describe....😂
The UK had world expert epidemiologists to call on such as Prof Sunetra Gupta of Oxford Uni, yet that relied on this man, with a track record of massive over-estimations of risk.
@1:40 finly honed edge of a query that alludes to the Hippocratic Oath, yet with science and medicine for viruses (I also asked during 2020): why are 'you' not doing anything? The answer was this - 'in science and viral treatments, you assume nothing.' Can kinda see that being a hypocrisy off the bat given a void of ethical foundations has been mooted so far...
The 2 GRAND INQUISITORS De BLoJoism.....have to catch themselves when they want to break out in creases of laughter. Excellent Black Comedy. Could they be on the Panel of 'Come Dancing' when The Farage & The BLoJo do a Tango?
Put this sicko on the list peeps
Ake it a legal inquiry
the full range of science was not considered, we seem to have given carte blanche to one school of thought and as usual picked the wrong one!
Heneghan is a national treasure. Called out the nonsense from the start. Anyone lauding the KCs for the govt inquiry needs their head examining. You're supposed to use critical thinking, not baaa like lambs to the you know what... See his open letter to Baroness Hallett. Substack
What is this???
Read the tittle !!!
why re all these people northerners?
'Experts' need funding. Come to the 'WRONG' conclusion, Funds dry up...
Modelling is a joke. I've spent 50 years involved in it in many fields - Engineering, Finance, Climbing Everest, Human Resources etc. We can't model next weeks weather, never mind 50 years hence. Engineers can get close as they operate in a closed system and employ other cross-checks. The rest just help you understand how little you really know.
Unfortunately, unless you know a true clairvoyant who can precisely tell you what's going to happen, then model based predictions are unavoidable.
And, if you have worked in engineering, then you will know that models are successfully and extensively used throughout industry.
I used to build process models, used in advanced process control applications in industry. Im sorry your experience of models were always negative. But from my point of view, your experience is clearly limited!
@@davidrussell7105 I agree. You stop using mathematics and you end up stupid.
Handy if you want to get the result you are looking for. For example, if you wanted to scare people into taking a safe and effective.
By the way, did your modelling experience help you to notice the level of infections per area, as in the map of the UK the government provided, was executing a chaotic pattern? I mean that in the strict mathematical sense of the word chaotic. No one seemed to notice this, not even the experts, who were all convinced it was a neat linear system which followed the classic 'S' curve. You get chaotic behaviour in a system with non-linear feedback. This feedback function was psychological. It is well understood the weather system is also a chaotic system. Personally I don't think the virologists have a sophisticated enough grasp of mathematics. It was clear with careful study of the data.
Im going to sya this, is this all .snoke screen to pretend they're investigating something they're really not? We don't know what's real anymore.
Whoever this KC is, he’s amazing.
Inquiry: "What is the most recent model you've made?"
Ferguson: "A space marine captain"
It's ok to accept alternative views but only if they are credible
not about views, it's about data - that's what they didn't want to discuss, just name-call
It would be better to simply show the unedited testimony rather than heavily edited soundbites.
It's all on the Inquiry YT channel - this lot do great job of clipping best bits.
@@mayday3109 clipping in a way that suits political tastes
My age 71yr old I didn't get the covid vaccine or flu jab my immune system works just fine I have noticed in my area of Scotland more normally healthy young people having strokes and heart attacks after getting the covid vaccine
Well that's all sewn up then. You and you immune system are immune to Covid, and your personal testimony discredits all those peer reviewed papers in respected scientific journals
You actually observed them getting the vaccine and then studied their subsequent health progress and subjected your conclusions and concerns to a strict scientific analysis?
The cumulative thousands of comments under every TH-cam video about the drugs, from those who have been injured or lost loved ones, are all the evidence anyone sane needs about the harm they've done.
@@MrCSutton Because YT comments beat a scientic study.
@@Umbrey_Dunctum No you idiot. Of course I didn't personally observe the outcomes of every vaccinated person. That would be stupid. Instead I trust the actual science. Because it's the science that DOES track the outcome of every single vaccinated person!
Brilliant. A GP on a panel of so called experts and he knows f@ck all about pandemics. Astounding.
He wrote some papers about shoulder injuries and childhood cancer in Egyptian youths though! It's genuinely like a satirical comedy.
he probably knew a tory mp
He was hated as he told the truth.
What truth was that then?
aliens!@@alanhobden8847
@@alanhobden8847That people would die by the thousands if we didn't do something about it. As it is more than a quarter of a million people died in the UK. That is because the F'wit politicians in Westminster didn't at all like the idea that it could potentially impact on their precious little earners.
You mean they chose someone with no particular expertise in virology or epidemiology because he was the only person they could find who'd support their narrative that we could survive a pandemic without any lockdowns or other measures? That we, alone, could be the only country on the entire planet that could get by without restrictions and the only person they could find who'd agree with that idea was someone who knows nothing about viral pandemic planning?
@@Seoras111 More than a quarter of a million died of what? Having a positive test within 28 days? Where did flu go in the winter of 2020/21?
It would appear that the ‘Kings for a day’ are being sent off to be sacrificed. This practice goes back to the time when an idiot was dressed up and treated as the King for a day and then killed as a sacrifice to protect the real King.
Well perhaps they always should be. KIngs for a day are almost certain to be incompetents' and have put themselves forward without caring about the damage they would do with their incompetence.
So annoying.
Not all opinions are valid, much less so equal.
If you don't know what you talk about and an expert comes around, he is more than welcome to qualify you as stupid or contemptible.
😄
@Opendemocracy, what are you trying to say here? I'm not getting a clear message & you haven't presented enough evidence for me to form my own opinion.
That's because you are used to be told what to think and what opinion to have. It will pass. Keep watching.
@@meromorfu no, it's because there is not sufficient information to form an opinion, exactly as I said in my original comment.
@@alanhat5252 I was messing with you. I agree with what you are saying, I got nothing from watching it. It is out of context and you are absolutely right.
In case you are unclear, this man is Carl Heneghan and yes he is as described.
So a man who is an 'expert' GP was overruling lifelong epidemiologists. Sounds to me like calling him a f*ckwit was being kind. I can think of a lot more salty things I would like to say to his face. Also, who appointed him to a position of authority, because they deserve the same epithets.
He didn't have the power to overule anybody, unfortunately. He had an advisory role, I expect due to his credentials, 'Carl James Heneghan is a British general practitioner physician, a clinical epidemiologist and a Fellow of Kellogg College. He is the director of the University of Oxford's Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine and former Editor-in-Chief of BMJ Evidence-Based Medicine.' Somewhat more than a GP, or f@ckwitt. He was also correct.
Prison !!
The fools is basing his defence of his lack of knowledge
On not considering his uneducated alternative facts