Those who emerge at the top of any group are generally not the best. Boris was chosen by the Tory Party and the general public for his media celebrity. He kept us amused. Someone like that is unlikely to be able to handle a catastrophe effectively.
@@flowerpower7288 The very worst???? There are plenty worse than them lot amongst us. serial killers/ careless drunk drivers/ child harmers / drunken bully thieves/ rapists / granny beaters. There are plenty worse than them lot amongst us.
I also think it should be a criminal trial for what the government done and how them and there mates got rich off ppe that was worthless spending billions of tax payers money also china and the who organisation should have to be held accountable in a criminal court
I have noticed that all of a sudden the Boris Johnson fanboys and girls seem to have stopped spouting that ridiculous line "He got the big calls right"
Anytime is the wrong time for that shower. Perhaps Blair could have let loser Johnson be guest PM for a couple of months during the glory years. Then he could have tucked that off his list and not done too much damage. But Brexit, new global trade deals, and a pandemic. FFS. All those important decisions to be made, by a man not capable of doing his due diligence, being on top of his brief, and generally understanding the nature of the task at hand.
@@verystripeyzebra No. Brexit was a decision made by a majority of the people who voted in the referendum. And I'm proud to say I was one of those people.
To be replaced by "Just let the people Die" Rishi?! or Trussonomics. The problem is that the skills to get people to the top of the political tree dont in any way make them qualified to make decisions that matter. (Dont forget Terese Coffey was appointed health minister. I mean just imagine if she had been in charge during covid.)
What happens when you elect government on the basis of 'yeah id have a drink down the pub with them'... I mean Johnson literally looked like someone who crawled out of a skip after a cheap cider binge 100% of the time... The entire lot of the need prosecuting!
At the time, I'd argue we never had the choice in who was the prime minister. Boris Johnson had to be the PM according to the media, according to those in power then by nearly everybody else who were influenced by the propaganda. The lengths the establishment went to absolutely ensure Jeremy Corbyn under Labour would not get into power was staggering. So, in the end, we never had a choice in this.
I think it's ludicrous that we have a political system that allows people to obtain high political office without being subjected to psychometric testing. Johnson is clearly a Sociopath.
BoJo was nothing more than Bravado and Ignorance. Ignorant of his own stupidity, arrogance and reluctance to listen to anybody. Like a None Royal Prince Harry, same taste in wives? BoJo IS Responsible for needless deaths Dominik Cummings is also responsible for providing the "propaganda or sound bites" that made BoJo policies appear thought through ALL members of BoJo Cabinet FAILED the Public by not making any effort to listen to what was clear Medical and Scientific advice. GROSS NEGLIGENCE by the Cabinet, the Government AND the Official Opposition (Labour). The Scottish Necrosis Party, Nicola Sturgeon, were worse SENDING HOME Infected OAPs to Infect Everyone in their Care Homes. That is MURDER, intentional, with knowledge and with NO Conscience.
The first thing Boris should have done is close the airports and ferry services. We probably wouldn't have needed lock downs. Now that really did ruin the economy. It was utterly cruel letting elderly relatives die alone without loved ones seeing them for the last time
The best thing that Boris could have done was to carry on as usual and advise that only the sick and elderly take extra precautions, as most do every winter. The fall out from the lockdown has generated far more problems than it solved, but lockdown isn’t even questioned in the whitewash of an enquiry.
If you listen to the inquiry evidence in Module 2 in full, you will see that scientists said that closing down international travel (the virus mainly came to us via Europe) would have made little difference. The genie was already out of the bottle. In fact, because the Covid variants became more infectious and less harmful (luckily) it may have been advantageous to let in the later strains as quickly as possible.
@@steve6375 I doubt that. Listening to so-called experts or scientists does not make them correct. It certainly didn't stop covid with their intrusive lock downs
Did not occur to those scientists advisers that it wasn't their explanation that was the problem but the recipients?? Perhaps they should have raised the alarm outside the Westminster bubble?
O yeah, can see the headlines in the Daily Fail now, "scientific elites subverting democracy!!! ", "over-educated enemies of freedom!!! ", etc etc. It's not the job of scientists to run the country, they can only advise. This fiasco lies firmly at the feet of the Brexit obsessed, money grabbing, talentless wankers in government and the morons stupid enough to vote them in.
They ought to factor in the Swedish experience. The state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell insisted on NO TOTAL LOCKDOWN. Instead he put in place sensible restrictions on the population which worked well. Of course this won't be discussed......its success, far too much of an embarrassment to the UK government.
Even the sensible restriction of social distancing and mask wearing recieve considerable backlash when introduced to the public. The lockdown is recommended on the fact that those restriction are too little too late for the UK.
I just an ordinary bloke. A retired AnE nurse. I watch the news. I started isolating as soon as I heard what was happening in China.. I knew borders should be closed...
I'm an ordinary bloke. In march 2020 my wife said she was worried to which I replied: You should worry what government will do to us 'in the name of covid', not what the virus will do I was not wrong....
Yep. I wasn't that extreme but it was very quickly apparent that our government was not trying to stop the spread. They wanted to get their hands on as much cash as possible before the bodies piled too high to deny then do too little too late. As Sunak said "Let them die".
@@alanpartington2540 *Conspiracists: there are those unpleasant types for whom dehumanising others is second nature, and have utter disdain for people on the front line during the pandemic* !!
A Question I would like an Answer to by the enquiry. When Astra Zeneca offered a WORKING Vaccine at Cost Price the PM decided to buy a Pfizer Vaccine at a Large Multiple of the AZ Price with NO EVIDENCE of any advantage over the AZ Vaccine. That cost us all £Billions in extra costs with no evidence to date of any benefit.
The Tories were celebrating their billions in kick backs from PPE contracts and had no reason to worry about anything else, not yhat they have ever worried about the people and country they supposedly represent.
Let’s hear something about the failure and lies told about these vaccines which have caused so much suffering . Also what about the death certificates marked as covid being the cause when this was not the case ? Everything else is just he said she said , we should have , we didn’t , I told him and so on whilst the elephant sits squarely in the room . Do they think the public are all stupid ?
Thank you anti vaxxer. For those who are hard of thinking, the vaccines are what reduced the death rate from 250,000 in 2020, to about 300 in 2021. And most of those either have other serious health conditions or are elderly.
"Why weren't we explaining clearly enough....." Because they had already made up their minds and didn't care what anybody else said. Its called wilfull ignorance and it killed people.
It's the working class people of UK it's paying for the cov inquiry .. Will any of the tories go to prison if not it will be a waste of tax pay money . The tories are good at waste money 💰 😢😢😢
Ok. You've rather missed the point of the Inquiry. The purpose of the inquiry is to establish what went wrong, and learn so that WHEN the NEXT pandemic hits, and I would remind you of the AIDS pandemic in addition to the Covid 19 pandemic, that's two killer pandemics in our lifetimes, we can take the lessons learned and apply them next time. And as far as working class people paying for the inquiry, you are. And so is everybody else. It's called taxes.
Can some one explain WHY our NHS seems to produce an endless stream of Chief Medical Officers, Deputy Chief Medical officers, Medical Directors, Deputy Medical Directors, Medical Director NHS England, Deputy Medical Director NHS England , Health MInister, Deputy Health Minister.......etc etc etc , the lists of these apparent ineffective gobschites IS ENDLESS & EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE, with their average salary around the £300k mark, these people ARE one of the main reasons for the decline in OUR NHS, ...... WE NEED NURSES & DOCTORS............................NOT THESE LIVELESS JOBSWORTHS..!
It is supposed to STOP them giving evidence, a reward to KEEP QUIET. Clearly the SOOT (spelling?) HAS HIT THE FAN and everyone can see the DUST is deadly if it falls on you. BLOW THE PROBLEM AWAY, it was ALL BoJo and Dominic Cummings with HUNT? and SUNAK? offering to let people just die of "old age with a PUSH from Covid-19"? The Tories HOPE that by the time this report is published it will be forgotten, NO CHANCE! Jeremy Corbyn has come in and diverted attention away with his SUPPORT FOR HAMAS AND PALESTINIAN TERRORISM. I see all his old supporters, thugs or professional rally trouble makers are out desecrating the memory of the War Dead and Remembrance Day and Remembrance Sunday with help from the Head of the Met. Police.
Am I right in thinking that far too many MPs read PPE at university and not sciences? Here lies the problem as most MPs don`t understand but just think they know better!
Its all about lockdown. No one seems to be being taken to task about the modelling by the "experts" which was proved to be totally wrong (as a number of scientists who weren't allowed a voice said). Why wasn't there a cost effectiveness study done and made public?
Poor lady. She looks so distressed at what happened with government and shows her frustration at government who did not listen or understand the direness and impact of covid 19 on health and the deaths it would cause. If she and other scientists had gone more public it was necessary for the government to be the ones taking and making proper of public, hospital and care. Staff, infrastructure systems for daily living, getting medicines (such as were ready for safe public vaccinations) and proper ppe equipment for media staff. Covid tests, out there as priority . And working out... Very diff8 in such a fast changing situation.... Business. Education contuance and support. If government acted quicker. Appropriately on the information and advice. Instead of partying on and ignore situations the situation would have been very different I think. These hard working scientists and doctors who gave their time and efforts to develop provide and care for others, at risks to themselves, missing being with families as they worked all hours. are to be greatly valued and respected.
There's a very good reason why we chose not to to go back to the UK on holiday during covid as a 3 generation familiy. As we usually did. Thank god. Guess what. We're all still alive.
When the headline says "We told them to", who elected this "we" exactly? Not got a great deal of time for this Govt but there's a lot of back covering going on here and some individuals seem to think they should have been running the shop. Last time I looked we were still a democracy
For a start, that's not what the headline said. Secondly, are you suggesting that in the the event of a very specific event that requires years of training to understand, you should just go on your own gut feeling and not listen to the professionals that have dedicated their lives work to the subject? Thirdly, a democracy? a more accurate description would be a racket.
A democracy you say? A biased FPTP electoral system, a mostly right-wing press & pro-Tory media, current & previous PM NOT elected plus a new Foreign Secretary ennobled so he could take up the post (he was also the PM that brought us austerity & Brexit, who cut & run to make millions from lobbying). Oh, I almost forgot a government that wanted to break internation law in "a limited & specific way" in addition to wanting to leave the ECHR, take away the right to strike & a fair trial. Yes, that sounds like a thriving democracy.
What surprises me here is that the Professor didn't have clear timeline notes in front of her when she was asked about timing. Instead, she says 'let's have a think'. Surely things could be a bit more precise than this? This lady seems more articulate and communicative than Whitty...but surely notes are a good prompt for things that happened a while ago now...unless notes are discouraged of course!
Depends WHEN the notes are actually written. e.g. the night before giving evidence to support your story? OR at the time because you are worried that the Prime Minister lacks a working brain and the PM is prone to BLAME ANYONE ELSE to save himself?
You’re not allowed to sue notes when giving evidence except under special circumstances. You can refer to your witness statement as a reminder but I imagine she was being asked about something that wasn’t in her statement in order to test her recollection of events. The idea is to get a genuine answer rather than a rehearsed one.
From memory covid cases did not take a particularly sharp upturn. Many cases where mistakenly identified as a covid 19 variant when the infection was a covid infection significantly more well known and with a similar mortality rate, that being the common flu. Difficult to diagnos, because the symptoms are so very similar. Indeed if you look at the No's for that period from the ONS and compare to No's of the previous 5 years to get an average of the No. of flu cases, at that time of year; based on simple arithmetic, covid cases must have gone down. The covid 19 virus out competed by other covid variants.
To be fair, she does say 'why weren't we explaining clearly enough that this is what we needed to do?' and in my opinion she was right. She thought the graphs and them saying 'we need to get a grip' was 'explaining' the situation to scientifically illiterate MPs and gov., but their reports and summaries never said in plain English something like 'In our view, we are 90% certain that unless we take drastic action and start a lockdown NOW, the gov will be responsible for 50,000 needless excess deaths, saturation of the NHS and the need for longer/more drastic lockdowns in the near future with increasingly severe economic and health risks. Delaying lockdowns by 2 weeks will cause approx 50,000 excess deaths which the government will have to later explain to it's electorate.' i.e. as if talking to someone who barely scraped through O-level maths and who doesn't want to be sacked. In future, they need to be a lot clearer on their recommendations and expected outcomes in different scenarios.
Short of screaming in Johnson's ear DO THIS NOW OR THOUSANDS WILL DIE AND THAT AIN'T A GOOD LOOK, I don't know what else anyone from SAGE could have done.
No. Johnson, Hancock, Gove and the REST of the Government, who did not listen to a word Sage told them are the people who should be in prison. Not the people who told them what to do and when and why.
You can lead a Horse to Water BUT you cannot make the Horse Drink You can provide the PM & Cabinet with Advice BUT you cannot force them to do the right thing BoJo the Clown and the Cabinet WERE ADVISED BoJo & the Cabinet CHOSE to IGNORE the Advice
Why didn’t they follow the plan they had for pandemic preparedness? We’re the scientific advisers as incompetent as the cabinet (given that they wouldn’t even listen to scientists and immunologists with a different view point)
Perhaps you would like to discuss your opinion with any of the 250,000 families who had to bury somebody who died from Covid 19. I'm sure they would be all ears, to hear you tell them the pandemic never happened.
Let’s see what this toothless , mark your own homework enquiry recommends. No prosecutions, no one will be jailed , no fines and no one will be held accountable.. Stand by for the bullshit bingo phrases ..,. Lessons need to be learned / we recommend/ we can’t alter what has been done / new body appointed with more funding and given to their mates
The interesting thing is that the main culprits were the experts, not the politicians. In some countries (Sweden in Europe, many others in other continents), there were no significant actions against covid , and they didn't have bad results (i.e. worse than a severe winter flu). Prof. Ferguson did a tour for some key eurpean governments and scared them with terrible predictions. Not any politician wanted to take unpopular measures because they live of popular opinions. It is interesting the comparison of Europe with Asia and Africa. Nobody wants to do it. Some people dont want to docthe real comparisons because they only want to blame the politician charge, be it right wing or left wing, depending on the particular country. For me , this lady and her "expert" mates are more guilty than the clown Boris. IMO, official and institutional science has had a massive failure and it is the most important thing to learn. It is also applicable to some other fields, where science is having a credibility crisis . If we want to not repeat the covid errors, we should search the real responsibles.
Actually Sweden's RW response to Covid decimated the Swedes. They soon changed to incorporate better masking, better vaccines, better health care. If they had continued to kill their citizens, especially the old, and the young, they would have been found frozen in some snowbank somewhere.
YET we HAD the WORST DEATH RATE in the Western World which makes everything you said WRONG! BoJo the Clown and his Cabinet (including Dominic "Specsavers" Cummings) are THE PROBLEM. Thick, Ignorant, Arrogant, Indecisive and Uncaring are some of the qualities of BoJo and his Cabinet throughout the pandemic. Everything too late because of BoJo DITHERING and a very weak and uncaring Cabinet Too late to make a decision Wrong Vaccine Wrong Decision for an Extra Boost (Jab 3) and another Extra Boost (Jab 4) Economy BEFORE Lives
N.B. this was a RESPONSE to the Covid Enquiry. Posted while on that SITE so I am not sure what is going on with TH-cam but this has happened at least 6 times and I often see other comments that have been wrongly assigned by TH-cam. Apologies for TH-cam failings.
The message is still clear from those who partied whilst telling you to “stay home and stay safe” that message is “We should have locked down harder sooner”
During the winter season, if we were all tested for various respiratory diseases many would be found. Let’s do what the stoical people from previous generations did, don’t test and carry on unless you feel too poorly. Let’s also understand that death at the end of a full life span is normal circa 82.
And your point is? So you would be tested for Covid 19, Influenza and a cold would you? Normally, if you have Covid 19, Influenza or a cold, you generally know you are ill, without having to be tested for the sheer fun of it.
Angela McLean should be sacked for use of emotive language and defamation of character calling Sunak Dr Death. Sunak was trying to help the hospitality business get back on its feet- he is no murderer. He is being scapegoated for the mistake of opening schools without proper anti-virus air-filters installed first.
Are you an epidemiologist? If not why should we listen to you? One of the biggest problems in society is armchair experts on social media telling people what they think
The country was led by the very worst amongst us.
Still is 😕
Those that led us certainly weren't among us.
Those who emerge at the top of any group are generally not the best. Boris was chosen by the Tory Party and the general public for his media celebrity. He kept us amused. Someone like that is unlikely to be able to handle a catastrophe effectively.
@@flowerpower7288 The very worst???? There are plenty worse than them lot amongst us. serial killers/ careless drunk drivers/ child harmers / drunken bully thieves/ rapists / granny beaters. There are plenty worse than them lot amongst us.
Dont forget 90%+ are STILL in government.
This should be a Criminal Trial not an Inquiry carried out by the Establishment, tantamount to marking their own homework!
You're absolutely correct. I totally agree.
yes I agree has well getting away with murder again disgrace
absolutely. i’ve had long covid since the very beginning. the fact that our governments didn’t do their duty is criminal.
Yeah. They’ve had a ‘while’ to script this garbage!?
I also think it should be a criminal trial for what the government done and how them and there mates got rich off ppe that was worthless spending billions of tax payers money also china and the who organisation should have to be held accountable in a criminal court
Thank you for showing the Inquiry on your channel.
The only way they got the masses to take this procedure was to play on their fear and emotion
I have noticed that all of a sudden the Boris Johnson fanboys and girls seem to have stopped spouting that ridiculous line "He got the big calls right"
Probably because under his watch, 250,000 people died and 3 million, at least, got Long Covid, while he partied the night away.
Could it be the wrong people where in the wrong jobs at the wrong time?
Yes
Anytime is the wrong time for that shower.
Perhaps Blair could have let loser Johnson be guest PM for a couple of months during the glory years. Then he could have tucked that off his list and not done too much damage.
But Brexit, new global trade deals, and a pandemic. FFS. All those important decisions to be made, by a man not capable of doing his due diligence, being on top of his brief, and generally understanding the nature of the task at hand.
No,the WRONG people were in the WRONG job,PERIOD
@@verystripeyzebra No. Brexit was a decision made by a majority of the people who voted in the referendum. And I'm proud to say I was one of those people.
@@SaxonSuccess I can tell which way you voted by your inability to understand what was written.
Be proud very very proud.
The worst thing to happen to England during COVID was that Johnson "let the bodies pile high"... Recovered.
This was the biggest psyop in human history...so far.
To be replaced by "Just let the people Die" Rishi?! or Trussonomics. The problem is that the skills to get people to the top of the political tree dont in any way make them qualified to make decisions that matter. (Dont forget Terese Coffey was appointed health minister. I mean just imagine if she had been in charge during covid.)
Well, you know, Johnson always managed to disappoint.
"Following the Science" was just a lie? What a surprise! Not!
Trouble was they couldn't understand the science!
What happens when you elect government on the basis of 'yeah id have a drink down the pub with them'...
I mean Johnson literally looked like someone who crawled out of a skip after a cheap cider binge 100% of the time...
The entire lot of the need prosecuting!
The bedraggled buffoon
Frosty Jack pepper pig blululululul
At the time, I'd argue we never had the choice in who was the prime minister. Boris Johnson had to be the PM according to the media, according to those in power then by nearly everybody else who were influenced by the propaganda. The lengths the establishment went to absolutely ensure Jeremy Corbyn under Labour would not get into power was staggering. So, in the end, we never had a choice in this.
@@baileyiainsorry but you always had a choice!
I think it's ludicrous that we have a political system that allows people to obtain high political office without being subjected to psychometric testing.
Johnson is clearly a Sociopath.
BoJo was nothing more than Bravado and Ignorance. Ignorant of his own stupidity, arrogance and reluctance to listen to anybody. Like a None Royal Prince Harry, same taste in wives?
BoJo IS Responsible for needless deaths
Dominik Cummings is also responsible for providing the "propaganda or sound bites" that made BoJo policies appear thought through
ALL members of BoJo Cabinet FAILED the Public by not making any effort to listen to what was clear Medical and Scientific advice. GROSS NEGLIGENCE by the Cabinet, the Government AND the Official Opposition (Labour).
The Scottish Necrosis Party, Nicola Sturgeon, were worse SENDING HOME Infected OAPs to Infect Everyone in their Care Homes. That is MURDER, intentional, with knowledge and with NO Conscience.
The first thing Boris should have done is close the airports and ferry services. We probably wouldn't have needed lock downs. Now that really did ruin the economy. It was utterly cruel letting elderly relatives die alone without loved ones seeing them for the last time
The best thing that Boris could have done was to carry on as usual and advise that only the sick and elderly take extra precautions, as most do every winter.
The fall out from the lockdown has generated far more problems than it solved, but lockdown isn’t even questioned in the whitewash of an enquiry.
If you listen to the inquiry evidence in Module 2 in full, you will see that scientists said that closing down international travel (the virus mainly came to us via Europe) would have made little difference. The genie was already out of the bottle. In fact, because the Covid variants became more infectious and less harmful (luckily) it may have been advantageous to let in the later strains as quickly as possible.
@@steve6375 I doubt that. Listening to so-called experts or scientists does not make them correct. It certainly didn't stop covid with their intrusive lock downs
The last thing an intelligent, honorable government would ever do is follow the communists in china and become tyrannical despots. How we laughed.
@@AJ-hi9fd We DID carry on as usual. It's what killed 250,000 people. And a lot were not elderly.
They really need to play the "follow the money game"
Did not occur to those scientists advisers that it wasn't their explanation that was the problem but the recipients?? Perhaps they should have raised the alarm outside the Westminster bubble?
Thank you for proving you don't know ow government works & wanting to shoot the messenger
O yeah, can see the headlines in the Daily Fail now, "scientific elites subverting democracy!!! ", "over-educated enemies of freedom!!! ", etc etc. It's not the job of scientists to run the country, they can only advise. This fiasco lies firmly at the feet of the Brexit obsessed, money grabbing, talentless wankers in government and the morons stupid enough to vote them in.
The people in number 10 were too busy having parties.
Those in power at the time should be held accountable for their actions (or lies) just as anyone else would be.
I agree however, the rigged game doesn't work that way.
The mass of criminals should be tried and jailed...........
I hope this leads to criminal prosecutions of the then cabinet members. It should.
Ha, led by who? They are all experts on F all.
They ought to factor in the Swedish experience. The state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell insisted on NO TOTAL LOCKDOWN. Instead he put in place sensible restrictions on the population which worked well. Of course this won't be discussed......its success, far too much of an embarrassment to the UK government.
Even the sensible restriction of social distancing and mask wearing recieve considerable backlash when introduced to the public. The lockdown is recommended on the fact that those restriction are too little too late for the UK.
I just an ordinary bloke.
A retired AnE nurse.
I watch the news.
I started isolating as soon as I heard what was happening in China..
I knew borders should be closed...
Don't be daft no more lockdowns ever.
I'm an ordinary bloke.
In march 2020 my wife said she was worried to which I replied: You should worry what government will do to us 'in the name of covid', not what the virus will do
I was not wrong....
Yep. I wasn't that extreme but it was very quickly apparent that our government was not trying to stop the spread.
They wanted to get their hands on as much cash as possible before the bodies piled too high to deny then do too little too late.
As Sunak said "Let them die".
Can't have been much of a nurse if you're that gullible.
@@alanpartington2540 *Conspiracists: there are those unpleasant types for whom dehumanising others is second nature, and have utter disdain for people on the front line during the pandemic* !!
there should be jail time for those who were allegedly in charge
Could it be nobody gave a s..t
That comment is far too "technical" for BoJo to understand. Accurate description of what occurred but beyond BoJo.
A Question I would like an Answer to by the enquiry.
When Astra Zeneca offered a WORKING Vaccine at Cost Price the PM decided to buy a Pfizer Vaccine at a Large Multiple of the AZ Price with NO EVIDENCE of any advantage over the AZ Vaccine. That cost us all £Billions in extra costs with no evidence to date of any benefit.
Can I ask where you came by this information? I didn’t know of this. Thanks.
These are deviant information sets from some crypto parasite@@martinryan8101 , You will get no corroboraton from these, ever.
That'll be a working medicine that caused fatal side effects, then. Nah, you're alright, think I'll sit-out this round. 😂
Can we please have a criminal trial.
The Tories were celebrating their billions in kick backs from PPE contracts and had no reason to worry about anything else, not yhat they have ever worried about the people and country they supposedly represent.
Nothing will happen to the idiots, same as Trump won't go to jail. Law never nails the protected.
McLean a dame,that's a laugh in itself.
Susan Michie would be an interesting interrogation.
Let’s hear something about the failure and lies told about these vaccines which have caused so much suffering . Also what about the death certificates marked as covid being the cause when this was not the case ? Everything else is just he said she said , we should have , we didn’t , I told him and so on whilst the elephant sits squarely in the room . Do they think the public are all stupid ?
Thank you anti vaxxer. For those who are hard of thinking, the vaccines are what reduced the death rate from 250,000 in 2020, to about 300 in 2021. And most of those either have other serious health conditions or are elderly.
"Why weren't we explaining clearly enough....." Because they had already made up their minds and didn't care what anybody else said. Its called wilfull ignorance and it killed people.
It's the working class people of UK it's paying for the cov inquiry .. Will any of the tories go to prison if not it will be a waste of tax pay money . The tories are good at waste money 💰 😢😢😢
Unless there are multiple prosecutions it's gonna be another kick in the teeth for taxpayers money again.
Never going to happen! The old boys network never rocks the boat(the gravy boat )
Ok. You've rather missed the point of the Inquiry. The purpose of the inquiry is to establish what went wrong, and learn so that WHEN the NEXT pandemic hits, and I would remind you of the AIDS pandemic in addition to the Covid 19 pandemic, that's two killer pandemics in our lifetimes, we can take the lessons learned and apply them next time. And as far as working class people paying for the inquiry, you are. And so is everybody else. It's called taxes.
when one of them calls his own constituency a sxit hole, it shows you what contempt they have for people.
Is sicknote still avoiding his grilling at these meetings?
Uk, USA, India, Brazil, 4 worst leaders at a vital time in history
Can some one explain WHY our NHS seems to produce an endless stream of Chief Medical Officers, Deputy Chief Medical officers, Medical Directors, Deputy Medical Directors, Medical Director NHS England, Deputy Medical Director NHS England , Health MInister, Deputy Health Minister.......etc etc etc , the lists of these apparent ineffective gobschites IS ENDLESS & EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE, with their average salary around the £300k mark, these people ARE one of the main reasons for the decline in OUR NHS, ......
WE NEED NURSES & DOCTORS............................NOT THESE LIVELESS JOBSWORTHS..!
It looks like the original plan was to ignore.
Why are all these people Dames Lords and Sirs - it’s daft
It is supposed to STOP them giving evidence, a reward to KEEP QUIET. Clearly the SOOT (spelling?) HAS HIT THE FAN and everyone can see the DUST is deadly if it falls on you. BLOW THE PROBLEM AWAY, it was ALL BoJo and Dominic Cummings with HUNT? and SUNAK? offering to let people just die of "old age with a PUSH from Covid-19"?
The Tories HOPE that by the time this report is published it will be forgotten, NO CHANCE! Jeremy Corbyn has come in and diverted attention away with his SUPPORT FOR HAMAS AND PALESTINIAN TERRORISM. I see all his old supporters, thugs or professional rally trouble makers are out desecrating the memory of the War Dead and Remembrance Day and Remembrance Sunday with help from the Head of the Met. Police.
Anyone with anything 2 do with it should be in jail.
Am I right in thinking that far too many MPs read PPE at university and not sciences? Here lies the problem as most MPs don`t understand but just think they know better!
Worst 13 years, under tory rich rule
If they come out with the lessons to be learnt these swines won't learn a thing and it won't bring our seniors bsck
They were all complicit
Was all over the top I still had to go to work no one gave a toss about me .
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Its all about lockdown. No one seems to be being taken to task about the modelling by the "experts" which was proved to be totally wrong (as a number of scientists who weren't allowed a voice said). Why wasn't there a cost effectiveness study done and made public?
.....its not her job to run the country. That why elect MPs.
Do what?
Convid..
Poor lady. She looks so distressed at what happened with government and shows her frustration at government who did not listen or understand the direness and impact of covid 19 on health and the deaths it would cause. If she and other scientists had gone more public it was necessary for the government to be the ones taking and making proper of public, hospital and care. Staff, infrastructure systems for daily living, getting medicines (such as were ready for safe public vaccinations) and proper ppe equipment for media staff. Covid tests, out there as priority . And working out... Very diff8 in such a fast changing situation.... Business. Education contuance and support. If government acted quicker. Appropriately on the information and advice. Instead of partying on and ignore situations the situation would have been very different I think. These hard working scientists and doctors who gave their time and efforts to develop provide and care for others, at risks to themselves, missing being with families as they worked all hours. are to be greatly valued and respected.
"worst day of the pandemic" SO FAR.
We wanted more lockdown: harder, earlier. Never mind. You'll get your chance in the next one
No they wanted earlier harder SHORTER YOU MUPPET
There's a very good reason why we chose not to to go back to the UK on holiday during covid as a 3 generation familiy. As we usually did. Thank god. Guess what. We're all still alive.
I thoght it was susan mickey
When the headline says "We told them to", who elected this "we" exactly? Not got a great deal of time for this Govt but there's a lot of back covering going on here and some individuals seem to think they should have been running the shop. Last time I looked we were still a democracy
For a start, that's not what the headline said. Secondly, are you suggesting that in the the event of a very specific event that requires years of training to understand, you should just go on your own gut feeling and not listen to the professionals that have dedicated their lives work to the subject? Thirdly, a democracy? a more accurate description would be a racket.
A democracy you say? A biased FPTP electoral system, a mostly right-wing press & pro-Tory media, current & previous PM NOT elected plus a new Foreign Secretary ennobled so he could take up the post (he was also the PM that brought us austerity & Brexit, who cut & run to make millions from lobbying). Oh, I almost forgot a government that wanted to break internation law in "a limited & specific way" in addition to wanting to leave the ECHR, take away the right to strike & a fair trial. Yes, that sounds like a thriving democracy.
"last time I looked, we were still a democracy"... You really haven't looked very hard have you!
What surprises me here is that the Professor didn't have clear timeline notes in front of her when she was asked about timing. Instead, she says 'let's have a think'. Surely things could be a bit more precise than this? This lady seems more articulate and communicative than Whitty...but surely notes are a good prompt for things that happened a while ago now...unless notes are discouraged of course!
Depends WHEN the notes are actually written. e.g. the night before giving evidence to support your story? OR at the time because you are worried that the Prime Minister lacks a working brain and the PM is prone to BLAME ANYONE ELSE to save himself?
You’re not allowed to sue notes when giving evidence except under special circumstances. You can refer to your witness statement as a reminder but I imagine she was being asked about something that wasn’t in her statement in order to test her recollection of events. The idea is to get a genuine answer rather than a rehearsed one.
@@daigeorge Thanks for that Dai.
From memory covid cases did not take a particularly sharp upturn. Many cases where mistakenly identified as a covid 19 variant when the infection was a covid infection significantly more well known and with a similar mortality rate, that being the common flu. Difficult to diagnos, because the symptoms are so very similar.
Indeed if you look at the No's for that period from the ONS and compare to No's of the previous 5 years to get an average of the No. of flu cases, at that time of year; based on simple arithmetic, covid cases must have gone down. The covid 19 virus out competed by other covid variants.
Crypto deviaton set @gothicpagan.666, why? COVID is you.
Covid is not the same as flu. 24 million plus infections in the UK, of which 230,000 have died is evidence of that per WHO stats.
To be fair, she does say 'why weren't we explaining clearly enough that this is what we needed to do?' and in my opinion she was right. She thought the graphs and them saying 'we need to get a grip' was 'explaining' the situation to scientifically illiterate MPs and gov., but their reports and summaries never said in plain English something like 'In our view, we are 90% certain that unless we take drastic action and start a lockdown NOW, the gov will be responsible for 50,000 needless excess deaths, saturation of the NHS and the need for longer/more drastic lockdowns in the near future with increasingly severe economic and health risks. Delaying lockdowns by 2 weeks will cause approx 50,000 excess deaths which the government will have to later explain to it's electorate.' i.e. as if talking to someone who barely scraped through O-level maths and who doesn't want to be sacked. In future, they need to be a lot clearer on their recommendations and expected outcomes in different scenarios.
Short of screaming in Johnson's ear DO THIS NOW OR THOUSANDS WILL DIE AND THAT AIN'T A GOOD LOOK, I don't know what else anyone from SAGE could have done.
Professor Dame Angela McLean you should be put on trial for crimes against humanity.
No. Johnson, Hancock, Gove and the REST of the Government, who did not listen to a word Sage told them are the people who should be in prison. Not the people who told them what to do and when and why.
I've never heard of this woman before, and I'm not surprised. It's always someone else's fault, isn't it? Actually, they were all complicit.
You can lead a Horse to Water
BUT you cannot make the Horse Drink
You can provide the PM & Cabinet with Advice
BUT you cannot force them to do the right thing
BoJo the Clown and the Cabinet WERE ADVISED
BoJo & the Cabinet CHOSE to IGNORE the Advice
Agree. Were they bound and gagged?
Why didn’t they follow the plan they had for pandemic preparedness? We’re the scientific advisers as incompetent as the cabinet (given that they wouldn’t even listen to scientists and immunologists with a different view point)
Because the plan had been scrapped by the Conservatives.
It as been nearly 4 years now and I am still waiting for this pandemic to begin.
Perhaps you would like to discuss your opinion with any of the 250,000 families who had to bury somebody who died from Covid 19. I'm sure they would be all ears, to hear you tell them the pandemic never happened.
Let’s see what this toothless , mark your own homework enquiry recommends. No prosecutions, no one will be jailed , no fines and no one will be held accountable..
Stand by for the bullshit bingo phrases ..,. Lessons need to be learned / we recommend/ we can’t alter what has been done / new body appointed with more funding and given to their mates
They will ‘learn from their mistakes’ of course..
The interesting thing is that the main culprits were the experts, not the politicians. In some countries (Sweden in Europe, many others in other continents), there were no significant actions against covid , and they didn't have bad results (i.e. worse than a severe winter flu).
Prof. Ferguson did a tour for some key eurpean governments and scared them with terrible predictions. Not any politician wanted to take unpopular measures because they live of popular opinions.
It is interesting the comparison of Europe with Asia and Africa. Nobody wants to do it. Some people dont want to docthe real comparisons because they only want to blame the politician charge, be it right wing or left wing, depending on the particular country.
For me , this lady and her "expert" mates are more guilty than the clown Boris. IMO, official and institutional science has had a massive failure and it is the most important thing to learn. It is also applicable to some other fields, where science is having a credibility crisis .
If we want to not repeat the covid errors, we should search the real responsibles.
Actually Sweden's RW response to Covid decimated the Swedes. They soon changed to incorporate better masking, better vaccines, better health care. If they had continued to kill their citizens, especially the old, and the young, they would have been found frozen in some snowbank somewhere.
Lol
YET we HAD the WORST DEATH RATE in the Western World which makes everything you said WRONG!
BoJo the Clown and his Cabinet (including Dominic "Specsavers" Cummings) are THE PROBLEM. Thick, Ignorant, Arrogant, Indecisive and Uncaring are some of the qualities of BoJo and his Cabinet throughout the pandemic.
Everything too late because of BoJo DITHERING and a very weak and uncaring Cabinet
Too late to make a decision
Wrong Vaccine
Wrong Decision for an Extra Boost (Jab 3) and another Extra Boost (Jab 4)
Economy BEFORE Lives
N.B. this was a RESPONSE to the Covid Enquiry. Posted while on that SITE so I am not sure what is going on with TH-cam but this has happened at least 6 times and I often see other comments that have been wrongly assigned by TH-cam. Apologies for TH-cam failings.
The message is still clear from those who partied whilst telling you to “stay home and stay safe” that message is
“We should have locked down harder sooner”
lier
Probably because she was a woman and boris simply didn’t take her grave concerns seriously, or possibly overreacting
During the winter season, if we were all tested for various respiratory diseases many would be found.
Let’s do what the stoical people from previous generations did, don’t test and carry on unless you feel too poorly.
Let’s also understand that death at the end of a full life span is normal circa 82.
And your point is? So you would be tested for Covid 19, Influenza and a cold would you? Normally, if you have Covid 19, Influenza or a cold, you generally know you are ill, without having to be tested for the sheer fun of it.
Angela McLean should be sacked for use of emotive language and defamation of character calling Sunak Dr Death. Sunak was trying to help the hospitality business get back on its feet- he is no murderer. He is being scapegoated for the mistake of opening schools without proper anti-virus air-filters installed first.
Also in this series:
How to prevent WWI
How to prevent WWII
and
Choosing the right God, an expert's explanation.
Arrogance beyond belief
imagine if labour were in charge, positive discrimination for jabs
Imagine if gammons could make science/fact based decisions.
What were they supposed to do? Isolation,out of hospitals etc. doesn't help: masks are useless.
Are you an epidemiologist? If not why should we listen to you? One of the biggest problems in society is armchair experts on social media telling people what they think
Please read more about virology. Then you can speak. You and yours are in danger.