8:41 happy to play a part in this video. I wish I recorded that crucial match but I didn't have the proper equipment; plus I didn't know at the time that I would actually make Top Cut of that Regional lol. Thanks for reaching out to me about it!
Ting-Lu has the math on his side because of the Fissure Stomping Tantrum combo. If you miss the Fissure your Stomping Tantrum doubles in power during the next turn, so you're effectivly not losing damage in situations where you'd just chip away with Stomping Tantrum anyways.
@@tdawgmaster1729 Stomping Tantrum is a damage dealing move. If, on the previous turn, the user's last move missed, failed to affect each of its targets, or was prevented from being used due to an effect such as paralysis, Stomping Tantrum's power is doubled from 75 to 150.
The most recent and ridiculous example comes from Knoxville regional, where Jon Hu ran a quick claw fissure torkoal, along with unconventional pokemon lime ceruledge and jumpluff. The man managed a flawless day 1 swiss record, and even landed a quick claw overheat to instakill an opposing great tusk on stream
Really it’s just a kill every other turn AT WORST, and on a Pokémon who was always a 2-3 hit ko so usually they could do whatever they wanted, then, we saw articuno arise
OHKO moves are hilarious in nature. They’re generally so bad due to the low accuracy, but the few Pokémon that can make them work do so marvelously. In closed team sheets, they can also be entirely unexpected, creating moments of hype and laughter if they land.
While the effectiveness of the strategy is debatable, the ability to fix an OKHO's accuracy with Mind Reader/Lock-On is also quite rare and only ever possible from 3 Pokemon: Smeargle, Articuno and gen 7 Poliwrath. Poliwrath is an especially interesting case because it has access to both Hypnosis and Focus Punch to punish Pokemon looking to switch out of the accuracy lock. Sadly, Mind Reader has been removed from Articuno's movepool in gen 9, which sucks because that's the only thing the Pokemon has ever been good at after gen 1
Articuno has a tiny niche in gen 3 Smogon singles because of heal bell, though I don't think it's ever used in serious teams. It used to be able to run a rest + sleep talk pressure stall set, and I think it was used on old superman teams, but that's not very effective anymore because of the 2015 discovery of gen 3 sleep talk mechanics.
It's not exactly VGC, but ohko moves were a pretty big deal in the gen 1 competitive formats that Nintendo ran in the 90s.due to gen 1 reasons. Everything was more bulky due to the stat experience system, most of the pokemon had nothing better in their movepools, double team was good and everyone was a Japanese child with a gameboy in the 90s who didn't really know the game mechanics. Oh, and in Japanese red and green, Blizzard has 90 accuracy and a 30% chance to freeze, effectively making it an ohko move that is still a 120 base power ice move if it misses.
I love how stupid 1hko moves are lol. In high school we did 6 v 6 battles at lunch back in x and y days. One of my friends got 3 sheer colds off on someone not at our table. The guy stormed over pissed! Great pokemon moment lol.
3:30 this is true for VGC and Online Battles, however, OHKO moves start at 30% and Gain a +1% per level, so for them to be guaranteed, you need to have a 70 level difference, also when used by a non Ice Type in gen 7 (idk about 8 and 9), sheer cold accuracy goes from 30% to 20%
I never knew that the event gen 4 suicune had Sheer Cold as an exclusive move! Another event-only oddity from these days that makes running the event mon itself - shiny with cherish ball in this case - optimal, even if you're not running sheer cold itself. All 4 moves from this event suicune were event-only as well, lol. Also one of the infinite reasons to use save editors.
It was the worst of the three event Shiny Legendary Beasts, that is why you'd forget about it. Entei EASILY got it the best with an Adamant Nature (the ONLY better nature would be Jolly) AND BOTH Extreme Speed and Flare Blitz. The other two moves were trash, however you could slot in Stone Edge and ether Iron Head or Sacred Fire starting in Gen6. Give it a Choice Band and you have a pretty powerful threat in the lower tiers of Smogon, though I've found that Rockium Z can be used to decent effect to mitigate the risk of Stone Miss, well missing. Raikou got Aura Sphere, however it was locked to a Rash Nature (+Special Attack, -Special Defense), not Timid or Modest, and the other three moves were trash for it. You were better off using a Raikou without Aura Sphere for the flexible nature, however there is a 7th Gen set on Smogon that uses the Aura Sphere event in combination with the Fighting type Z-Crystal to deal with the rock types of RU. Suicune on the other hand got locked into a crappy nature for it (Relaxed, +Defense, -Speed) and only had one truly good move for it, Aqua Ring, which doesn't compare to Aura Sphere. OHKO moves are banned by Smogon (which I 100% agree with, unlike the complete Baton Pass ban*), so that move is unusable. Given that event mons are often banned (even if they're not Mythical) there is no place that you can use it. *I'm not arguing that something had to be done with Baton Pass, but outright banning the move was just too far. Banning it being combined with ways to boost stats and things that can be passed (Mean Look, Ingrain, etc.) would have allowed it to be used as a pivot move that couldn't be countered by Pursuit, removing some healthy counterplay to Pursuit-Trapping in the process.
I spent two hours trying a boosting accuracy team that I came up with that uses Fissure just to realize later that all that work to build accuracy (Coil + Gravity + Wide Lens) didn’t matter 🤡
OHKO moves are pure hilarity. They're so inaccurate, they're not even worth using when they're allowed. Unless you can make them work/the opponent writes an anime villain speech afterwards.
My Gen 9 Smeargle set was Spore, Lock-On, Sheer Cold and Parting Shot, lmao, Sheer Cold has no immunities unlike the other 3. Total cheese, but how else am I gonna grind with Smeargle? Also, as someone who was there in Gen 1, Fissure was one of the most popular moves on the playground.
@@MoxieBoosted True but also most people are just going to click off rather than use them either way Openings really important on TH-cam videos for retention. I almost clicked off from how long the ad was where I certainly would have just skipped/sat thru if it was after I had already been invested into the video.
@@Alaspooryorick98 why should he even waste all his time continuing to make videos for us if you can’t even bother to support him for His time with the ad that’s helping him pay for all the effort he put in?
@@Dp_Unkemptharold he's selling a product lol he doesn't need my sympathy. I watched his video, ad included, I'm just talking from an objective point with how you decide where to place ads. Also weirdo parasocial relationship alert lol
mind reader sheer cold articuno is what i ran as a kid back in 2008 cheesed every ai and even fooled my friends for the longest time until they caught on
This video is great! But unfortunately some of the background footage introduced me (who hasn't kept up with the latest gens) to Gholdengo, who will sadly haunt my dreams. Not your fault... keep up the good work!
Love this kind of video, hope you do some more of these VGC retrospectives on interesting strategies, because your experience with VGC content and video styling reminding me of False Swipe Gaming or PokeaimMD make a great combination
Kartana is the ultimate glass cannon…with too much cannon and not enough glass. Attack stat higher than MEGA RAYQUAZA and SCARILY physically bulky. Now, it’s HP and Special Defence are pitiful, but those don’t matter when you one shot with stab leaf blade. And even off SWORDS DANCE.
8:41 happy to play a part in this video. I wish I recorded that crucial match but I didn't have the proper equipment; plus I didn't know at the time that I would actually make Top Cut of that Regional lol. Thanks for reaching out to me about it!
Thanks for the info!!
@@MoxieBoosted And being the worst thing ever apparently.
fun fact i lost 2 pokémon to a guillotine smeargle in my first vgc battle ever… truly a warm welcome to regulation f🥲🥲
Ting-Lu has the math on his side because of the Fissure Stomping Tantrum combo. If you miss the Fissure your Stomping Tantrum doubles in power during the next turn, so you're effectivly not losing damage in situations where you'd just chip away with Stomping Tantrum anyways.
Stomping Tantrum only gets the boost if the "But it failed!" message appears
@@tdawgmaster1729 Stomping Tantrum is a damage dealing move. If, on the previous turn, the user's last move missed, failed to affect each of its targets, or was prevented from being used due to an effect such as paralysis, Stomping Tantrum's power is doubled from 75 to 150.
This is hilarious
Wait is this true?
@@BladeRabbitthis is not the case. look it up
The most recent and ridiculous example comes from Knoxville regional, where Jon Hu ran a quick claw fissure torkoal, along with unconventional pokemon lime ceruledge and jumpluff. The man managed a flawless day 1 swiss record, and even landed a quick claw overheat to instakill an opposing great tusk on stream
lime ceruldege? is that the counterpart to lemon armorouge?
@@Pablo360able yeah pokemon lime and pokemon lemon
@@jessehunter362 pokemon grapefruit when
@@klodpraisor i want pokemon tangerine myself!
God i hate quick claw
Congrats on your bold prediction. Ting Lu often runs fissure because it has nothing else it needs for slot 4
Moxie calling the shots like that one dude did with Jace the Mind Sculptor
Really it’s just a kill every other turn AT WORST, and on a Pokémon who was always a 2-3 hit ko so usually they could do whatever they wanted, then, we saw articuno arise
OHKO moves are hilarious in nature. They’re generally so bad due to the low accuracy, but the few Pokémon that can make them work do so marvelously. In closed team sheets, they can also be entirely unexpected, creating moments of hype and laughter if they land.
But I hate losing to chanse
@@Alpha-zb8sp Then pokemon is the wrong game for you
@@Alpha-zb8sp How does one lose to a Chansey in this day and age?
Honestly why i love closed team sheets
While the effectiveness of the strategy is debatable, the ability to fix an OKHO's accuracy with Mind Reader/Lock-On is also quite rare and only ever possible from 3 Pokemon: Smeargle, Articuno and gen 7 Poliwrath. Poliwrath is an especially interesting case because it has access to both Hypnosis and Focus Punch to punish Pokemon looking to switch out of the accuracy lock. Sadly, Mind Reader has been removed from Articuno's movepool in gen 9, which sucks because that's the only thing the Pokemon has ever been good at after gen 1
Articuno has a tiny niche in gen 3 Smogon singles because of heal bell, though I don't think it's ever used in serious teams. It used to be able to run a rest + sleep talk pressure stall set, and I think it was used on old superman teams, but that's not very effective anymore because of the 2015 discovery of gen 3 sleep talk mechanics.
Poliwrath could do that in Gen II as well. At least there was one in Pokemon Stadium 2 which had that combo. But I guess VGC didn't exist back then.
gf: *Fuck this one bird in particular*
@@iss2075yes, Fissure was a TM in Gen 1,so you could teach it to Poliwrath, then trade it over to gen 2 and teach it Mind Reader via level up
Ting-lu ended up being pretty true lol
It's not exactly VGC, but ohko moves were a pretty big deal in the gen 1 competitive formats that Nintendo ran in the 90s.due to gen 1 reasons. Everything was more bulky due to the stat experience system, most of the pokemon had nothing better in their movepools, double team was good and everyone was a Japanese child with a gameboy in the 90s who didn't really know the game mechanics. Oh, and in Japanese red and green, Blizzard has 90 accuracy and a 30% chance to freeze, effectively making it an ohko move that is still a 120 base power ice move if it misses.
Didn't Accuracy and Evasion affect OHKO moves in Gen. 1 or was it only Speed?
I love how stupid 1hko moves are lol. In high school we did 6 v 6 battles at lunch back in x and y days. One of my friends got 3 sheer colds off on someone not at our table. The guy stormed over pissed! Great pokemon moment lol.
I once landed five in a row, that was the last time my friend ever did a Pokémon battle with me until gen 8
@@sparky6757😂
14:05 well, yes. fissure ting-lu was everywhere
Can confirm my ting-lu hit 4 fissures (across 2 games, 2 each) and then because Arceus said I was having too much fun, smited me 200 rating.
14:06 THE PREDICTION
3:30 this is true for VGC and Online Battles, however, OHKO moves start at 30% and Gain a +1% per level, so for them to be guaranteed, you need to have a 70 level difference, also when used by a non Ice Type in gen 7 (idk about 8 and 9), sheer cold accuracy goes from 30% to 20%
I never knew that the event gen 4 suicune had Sheer Cold as an exclusive move! Another event-only oddity from these days that makes running the event mon itself - shiny with cherish ball in this case - optimal, even if you're not running sheer cold itself. All 4 moves from this event suicune were event-only as well, lol. Also one of the infinite reasons to use save editors.
It was nature locked as relaxed, so if you wanted a different nature you couldn't use the event one.
@@MacZephyrZ well you can change the effects of nature.
There weren't nature mints back then. I don't think they were introduced until Gen 8.
It was the worst of the three event Shiny Legendary Beasts, that is why you'd forget about it.
Entei EASILY got it the best with an Adamant Nature (the ONLY better nature would be Jolly) AND BOTH Extreme Speed and Flare Blitz. The other two moves were trash, however you could slot in Stone Edge and ether Iron Head or Sacred Fire starting in Gen6. Give it a Choice Band and you have a pretty powerful threat in the lower tiers of Smogon, though I've found that Rockium Z can be used to decent effect to mitigate the risk of Stone Miss, well missing.
Raikou got Aura Sphere, however it was locked to a Rash Nature (+Special Attack, -Special Defense), not Timid or Modest, and the other three moves were trash for it. You were better off using a Raikou without Aura Sphere for the flexible nature, however there is a 7th Gen set on Smogon that uses the Aura Sphere event in combination with the Fighting type Z-Crystal to deal with the rock types of RU.
Suicune on the other hand got locked into a crappy nature for it (Relaxed, +Defense, -Speed) and only had one truly good move for it, Aqua Ring, which doesn't compare to Aura Sphere. OHKO moves are banned by Smogon (which I 100% agree with, unlike the complete Baton Pass ban*), so that move is unusable. Given that event mons are often banned (even if they're not Mythical) there is no place that you can use it.
*I'm not arguing that something had to be done with Baton Pass, but outright banning the move was just too far. Banning it being combined with ways to boost stats and things that can be passed (Mean Look, Ingrain, etc.) would have allowed it to be used as a pivot move that couldn't be countered by Pursuit, removing some healthy counterplay to Pursuit-Trapping in the process.
@@AceAviations2are they able to be traded up to SV while retaining the event moves?
This is FSG levels of quality, peak content.
Omg the Ting Lu predict
Most of the time OHKO moves are not worth the move slot. But there are times went it’s literally the best option like with Seaking.
that Ting-Lu guess aged brilliantly lmao
Whose here because of Ting-Lu running Fissure in conjunction with Stomping Tantrum?
Why go for the double protect when you can just OHKO?
Me in the current future: why must you mention fissure ting-lu :')
30% of the time, it works 100% of the time.
Only if its used against you. If youre the one using it, you will never hit
If it’s not 100% it’s 50% and if it’s 30% it’s 100% against you
could you do a video discussing tera shard farming and how it's miserable?
Articuno was taking notes
Fissure Ting-Lu aged exceptionally well.
I spent two hours trying a boosting accuracy team that I came up with that uses Fissure just to realize later that all that work to build accuracy (Coil + Gravity + Wide Lens) didn’t matter 🤡
Depression 😔
I ran a sheer cold swift swim Beartic on my rain team that got a lot of elo on showdown
Too bad you didn't invite the best OHKO moves player in the world for an interview (Verlisify)
Lol
I never thought that they would actually be relevant let alone allowed because I figured it be unsportsmanlike Bahay rolling, dice fun times!
4:45 hehe, yeah I remember that Shiny Suicuine from the event. I did the exact same thing with it when I saw it had Sheer Cold.
Wooo!!! Awesome vid mox
Is there a possibility to release the thumbnail for wallpaper purposes? Really love the art
And in 2024, Articuno won a major partially because of Sheer Cold
OHKO moves are pure hilarity. They're so inaccurate, they're not even worth using when they're allowed. Unless you can make them work/the opponent writes an anime villain speech afterwards.
“A brief history”
Ye it's like 15 minutes
sheer cold articuno got me returning
Great video! Commenting for the algorithm!
The user doesn't have to have no guard, just one of the active pokemon so. So an ohkoer pair with a Machamp could get the job done
That's not how it works
Holy shit those chairs and desks are overpriced
video starts at 3:07 before that is just a giant ad
If the odds are not 0 then the move will land
For your opponent.
My Gen 9 Smeargle set was Spore, Lock-On, Sheer Cold and Parting Shot, lmao, Sheer Cold has no immunities unlike the other 3. Total cheese, but how else am I gonna grind with Smeargle?
Also, as someone who was there in Gen 1, Fissure was one of the most popular moves on the playground.
4:11I think articuno's stats are misplaced.
It's special defense is 125, not it's special attack.
do u have a video on the history of accuracy and evasion in vgc?
Rawr
I can't explain it but you sound like Tim from Tim and Moby in this video
Fun fact that's the main character from That 70s Show
Do OHKO moves bypass protect and detect?
No
@@MoxieBoosted Thank you.
FIsUre TinG lU?
I'm surprised they actually see heavy play in VGC. In Singles, they're useless.
I thought OHKO moves also hit pokémon that had the no guard ability? Regardless if the user had it.
There’s too many Pokémon that are way too bulky
It's "Regulation C", Moxie, not "Series 3".
Same thing
Now, Singles just banned that shit. It'd never be useful anyway but Smogon just really hates RNG playstyles.
Wonder why
@@chanderule605because they kind of forgot that Pokemon wasnt meant to be played competitively in the first place.
@@josephbulkin9222 What are you even talking about
@@chanderule605 rng mechanics in pokemon
@@josephbulkin9222 Except theres official competitive Pokemon?
3 minute intro 💀
Timestamps were made for a reason 👍
@@MoxieBoosted True but also most people are just going to click off rather than use them either way
Openings really important on TH-cam videos for retention. I almost clicked off from how long the ad was where I certainly would have just skipped/sat thru if it was after I had already been invested into the video.
@@Alaspooryorick98 why should he even waste all his time continuing to make videos for us if you can’t even bother to support him for
His time with the ad that’s helping him pay for all the effort he put in?
@@Dp_Unkemptharold he's selling a product lol he doesn't need my sympathy. I watched his video, ad included, I'm just talking from an objective point with how you decide where to place ads.
Also weirdo parasocial relationship alert lol
@@Alaspooryorick98 exactly so if you don’t want to see the add don’t watch
Yeah, next time I have to skip past a two and a half minute sponsorship, I’m unfollowing
I put the timestamp in for a reason
🤓
He called fissure ting-lu sheeeeesh
Any fellow tingheads here
I am a ting head
im a tingler
Building a team around him right now, love ting head
Hey really interesting video! Just one note, OHKO moves will only be 130 base power when they become G-Max moves.
mind reader sheer cold articuno is what i ran as a kid back in 2008 cheesed every ai and even fooled my friends for the longest time until they caught on
This video is great! But unfortunately some of the background footage introduced me (who hasn't kept up with the latest gens) to Gholdengo, who will sadly haunt my dreams. Not your fault... keep up the good work!
Lmao my apologies
14:07 The fissure Ting Lu prediction is wild
Love this kind of video, hope you do some more of these VGC retrospectives on interesting strategies, because your experience with VGC content and video styling reminding me of False Swipe Gaming or PokeaimMD make a great combination
HE DID NOT PREDICT FISSURE TING-LU
Fissure dozo boutta go crazy
Kartana is the ultimate glass cannon…with too much cannon and not enough glass. Attack stat higher than MEGA RAYQUAZA and SCARILY physically bulky. Now, it’s HP and Special Defence are pitiful, but those don’t matter when you one shot with stab leaf blade. And even off SWORDS DANCE.
Ting Lu predict is wild
Just discovered your channel, I love the editing style!
well explained, thanks! =)
NOT THE TING LU PREDICTION
Waiting for machamp in scarlet and violet so I can run a fissure set
The ghost of G-max Grimmsnarl continues to haunt us
Good video and where is that art of Ampharos and Jasmine podcasting from at 3:09? I love it!
Ain’t no way you put a 2 and a half minute long ad in the video 💀
And I time stamped it just for you ❤️❤️
@@MoxieBoosted I know I’m just fucking around lol
Luck Based moves are a staple of pokemon but ridiculous stuff like this is iust too much
Fissure Ting Lu stole my car, wife, and sanity
So its use came down to only needing to hit one
9:10 that edu cunha
Would decreasing a pokemons evasion using hydrapple allow for more consistent OHKO's?
No, ohkos don't take into account evasion
@@MoxieBoosted thanks for the tip appreciate it