People just don't understand. There are chip manufactures in the U.S. like Intel and Texas Instruments but (Taiwanese based) TSMC is the world's absolute bleeding edge in chip manufacturing technology. No other company (expect for a close second like Korean Samsung) compares. The chip manufacturing industry is unlike any other industry and EXTREMELY specialized. And so are the plants where chips are being produced. Is it so incomprehensible that TSMC wants some of their own contractors to have a hand in the over-seas construction of a hundred+ billion Dollar project?
I have seen both Mexican and American construction workers. The Mexican ones work by the hour. The American ones work by the contract. The Mexicans work by the contract only if deadline is near. Otherwise you will see three workers show up, shovel a pile of dirt and leave after less than 2 hrs of work. This would continue until a) they collect their pay or b) they complain about not being paid enough or being over worked. This two tier system is not just the mindset of union workers but the entire American work force. Now the Americans. They work by the contract. They dig a pile of gravel then fill it up. Then when it caves in they want another contract. The same pay TWICE for rework of shoddy, less than 2 hrs of work "work". TSMC is being held back by American "culture".
Just like a merger of an American electrical company with a Japanese company. Japenese company having the majority. They immediately wanted the workers to work for just above minimum wage. Giving the workers to take a wage cut or look elsewhere. Many of the good electrical workers went elsewhere immediately without a notice.
Worker's wage compare to the cost of the site, equipment, and time to market is really nothing. That's not the point. Timing is the key and if local workers can't handle important tasks, due to having served other lukewarm companies for years and not able to adapt to successful company's workflow, just let them send experienced experts from Taiwan to unblock. Local workers can still do lower end work. After all, this is America. You get paid fairly for what you actually contributed.
Or maybe they don’t want to be doing more sophisticated work for half the capital they’d be earning at “lukewarm” companies. It’s like Asians like being slaves
Don't blame TSMC. If you were the CEO and you can pay half the wage in Taiwan, Why you have to pay twice to build a fab in the US? TSMC is actually forced by the US goverment, you guys needs to know the operation cost in the US is twice than that in Taiwan. Leaving Taiwan, the benefit of low cost will be gone. What TSMC really wants to do is 'escape' from the US.
@@chicanobluesaz4191 You got to know why TSMC is upset. Originally, the US government did not ask TSMC to share profits, but after TSMC build the fab, the chip bill requires TSMC to share profits with the US government. Treat TSMC as a fool.
It's because the U.S workers are union. Anyone else notice how union workers work slow as molasses? If it were left up to them the factory wouldn't get done for another 10 years. Guess being in a union isn't such a good thing sometimes.
This is spot on, TSMC has already forked out 40 billion for this project and unions usually drag on projects to either get more over time and try to squeeze out every penny. They obviously saw that the fab was taking too long and decided to throw some taiwanese in too speed up the progress. I guarantee the fab being built in Japan will be built far faster than in Arizona.
It depends on the worker. If a guy is lazy being union he will be lazy being non union. My husband used to be the main forman on the job site. If he saw a lax area he talk to the forman to see if there was a problem. If it was material he make the calls etc. But if it was people it was area formans job. If the forman still allowed it to continue he tell the foreman they didn't need him anymore along with the workers. My husband was good at his job. He had job offers from companies all around and yes he was union. But that didn't stop him from doing his job. He always worked hard to bring in a job on time or earlier.
The requirements of having silicon chips and potato chips are very different! Before complaining and blaming others, people should look at themselves first.
Former CEO of TSMC used to be the CEO of Taxes Instruments for years. When the US government required TSMC to build a High tech chip plant in the US, he already told president Biden and Ms. Pelosi that it would be a disaster because of different task mindsets of the US workers and Taiwanese workers.
The US is really putting a rock in their own shoes, it’d make sense for the Taiwanese company to send their own people over with good pay, instead of training others up and hang over their tech advantage to others freely. Beggars can’t be chooser.
Hey, I don't mind the pay cuts, just as long as they have a TSMC chip plant in Arizona, I'm happy. TSMC, the most advanced chip manufacturer in the world. I'd be so honored for working at TSMC that I'll stand in line everyday for that job, so if you don't want it, I'll take it. Where can I apply ?
Hey, I don't mind the pay cuts, just as long as they have a TSMC chip plant in Arizona, I'm happy. TSMC, the most advanced chip manufacturer in the world. I'd be so honored for working at TSMC that I'll stand in line everyday for that job, so if you don't want it, I'll take it. Where can I apply ?
I’ve worked in most of these buildings, and the fab is so packed with people that’s it hard to do anything we had to go in at night just to make some progress on our scope of work. Also safety doesn’t make it any easier. If anything safety is what slows us down but for good reason right.
That is fine if you don't want to, you do have a choice! The problem lies not with your choice, the problem is the Taiwanese asks if you can't do it, let them do it for you and you refuse to work, and you afraid they are going to replace you! What kind of bologney are you on? Just because you have a choice don't mean others can't do it faster because you are union. You can be proud that is not the problem, the problem is you are proud and force your way into others that are willing to do it when you refuse to do it! That is WHERE THE PROBLEM lies!
Good. Don't work at TSMC. Time to bring hardworking Taiwanese to Arizona and replace LAZY AMERICAN workers. Americans can work at KFC or Mcdonalds, let the big money goes to other people 🤭.
You don't have to work 18 hours a day, but you're also not going to get paid more for what you aren't willing to do. TSMC doesn't have to build a manufacturer in the USA; they are asked by the US government to build one here, and if American workers can't work with the government together like the Japanese do to help bring the chip industry back to home, then America is meant to be doomed.
@@tenminutetokyo2643 If they are violating American laws then tell TSMC to pack up and go home. They didn't want to open their plant in America. It was US that dragged them over.
It's simple tho. If you don't like the job then quit it. Work harder if you are worried about people trying to push you out. No one can force you to sign the contract.
America's hardest working tech workers who created Silicon Valley have been run out by racist Asians. No amount of hard work will save you if racists target you for removal. Stop the criminal defamation.
However talented American workers are comparing to Taiwanese workers, I think they just need the workers to be precisely obeying on how they want the chip manufacture to be built. Other than safety, No personal hobbies and requirements at the construction site would be considered appropriate. Look, the same project in Japan that started couple months later is almost completed! It’s because Japanese and Taiwanese workers have the same mindset on works and tasks.
Exactly! Or maybe he owns stocks like Nancy Pelosi does. This was the same company she went and visited few years ago before construction even began. And there was all that china drama with her going there
When u know how tsmc work 24 hrs with 3 shift and no hp allow and All their supplier chain also required to support them 24 hrs, u already expected that non of the us worker can do this
How TSMC can avoid USA’s and Arizona’s laws and regulations to push Arizona construction workers out? But comparing Taiwan construction workers, most of Arizona construction workers are unqualified in the eyes of TSMC.
It’s possible that people are paranoid and they didn’t get those visas. It hasn’t gotten easier to get visas it’s gotten much harder and a long wait if you're lucky enough to qualify. Unless of course you're the president and it’s your wife and her family.
They aren't being replaced. Taiwan wants to bring x-amount of temporary workers here to help finish the project and then they are going back 😂. Sure they are and I own an island.
Being replaced is not a shame. Just a certification that local workers' skill set or mentality is outdated. And in such a capitalism country, you get your fair share of worker's compensation (dont compare to managers, VPs) for what you have contributed. TSMC, after all, didn't choose to come to Arizona voluntarily. If Arizona doesn't work, they should go to Texas. If Texas doesn't work, then they should come back to Taiwan. We are the Silicon island country, after all.
Today's American workers are just as lacking in accountability and competence as Indian employees. Even if Taiwan wants to help America be great again, it seems a far target. American education can create the top of the planet, but it cannot raise the average person to a higher level. In contrast to Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, China, most of the citizens are university graduates, and even a builder in TSMC can have a master's degree. American great again really requirement is a great people , instead of a country with strong .
it's not fair to say American don't have great people. Just younger ones have joined Internet and Fintech companies, and older ones that built all the roads, airports, Boeing jets have retired. The current mid-aged generation didn't get much chance to do real competitive works thanks to all the outsourcing, also they didn't take STEM degrees, and don't speak other foreign languages. Let Silicon valley continue to work closely with the Silicon island country and sell California designed products to the world is fine.
American workers built Silicon Valley long before anyone else ever moved in. TSMC is getting a free plant paid for by US workers and free money to pay foreign workers with US money. Stop the lies.
There are many great craftsmen on this project and I have been there myself. What the TSMC big dawgs want is their plant built on American soil and they want Americans to Bow down like they do in Taiwan and it will not work that way. We can build your plant and do a great job of it but let's not forget you snubbed the unions here in AZ so be fair when your pointing fingers.
They are also getting the plant built for free with US money, and they want US money to pay for foreign workers too. Americans have to pay the borrowed money back.
Love this I’ve been at TSMC over a year and the conditions there are trash compared to Intel you can tell they want to shit on US workers and we won’t have that … that’s where the real issue comes alive !!!!
The management philosophy and work culture of the Taiwanese and the US are totally different. One is company before self and the other is self before anything else. It is not going to end well!
TSMC boss did alot of thinking about this, and he made the right decision. In order to preserve TSMC's future, TSMC must not be allowed to fall into the hands of the communist regime no matter the cost.
Actually you are partially incorrect in your promise. Taiwan law is strict on immigration, but relatively relaxed with folks to Taiwan under 3 months. I personally have pulled in 10 engineers from the US for an equipment install at TSMC Taiwan; usually 1 or 2 at a time, different experts at different phases of the install.
They are investing "Here". This means they don't want to waste a bunch of money on building a plant that is already "behind schedule." Why not be thankful for the new jobs and the technology. We are fortunate they don't just pull the plug on the whole thing. When it is up and going they will probably wish they had. 1:47
If only they could get workers with the same talent, work ethic and intelligence in America maybe they wouldn’t bring in foreign labor. They’re a foreign company to begin with. If America is so great, then maybe the US should develop chips that could break the 5nm mark. Guess they can’t so stop blaming TSMC and blame America. This is the first time TSM is “behind” and the only change has been this one single thing: they moved to the US.
Sad the US is portrayed with laziness and ignorance. Everyone here wants more pay but less work time. If someone else is willing to put in the effort and get the job done faster, then let them. Quite pathetic if you ask me.
There is a reason that America's manufacturing isn't competitive on world market. To demand any wage level and sustain it, American workers need to prove that their value creation in the final products will be more than those "cheap" labor. If everyone can do everything you do for a better price, you just demand more because you are "American"? Just ask American consumers if they want to pay much more to support their American compatriots. Better still, ask these American workers if they go out shopping for much more expensive American made products for their own consumption. tsmc never wanted to build this fab in the US in the first place. tsmc was forced to come here by US politicians. Why not just let tsmc go back to manufacture in Taiwan, and we just by imported chips? American workers demand more because America's cost of living is higher. American workers need to work on products/services that are of much higher value creation, like design. Chip manufacturing isn't going to sustain.
to be fair, wages these Arizona labor got is already on the par if not more, or they wouldn't accept the offer in the first place. It's time to deliver not talk. It's either TSMC way or highway. Whatever they have learned from Intel or other US chip companies don't matter. Can't adapt to it? We should pull the plug and come back to Taiwan.
@@tenminutetokyo2643 good old days are long gone. US wasted 2 trillions in two wars, outsourced millions of manufacturing jobs elsewhere, addicted to issues related to genitals/gender and endless quarrels. Other countries are not sleeping sitting this time.
@@tenminutetokyo2643 Is that how you ask help? By reminding others how you help them? If so let me tell you this, 70-75 years ago, America was stealing the technology from German Nazi! 100 years ago, Japan learn from Europe a lot and Japan becoming industrialized and had their head so big they have a sense of false invincibility like a teenager
@@tenminutetokyo2643 American workers need to focus on their strengths in innovation, their products have to be able to charge a premium in the world market to sustain the higher labor costs going into the products. Otherwise, the demand for higher wages will eventually bring down every American manufacturing. It is not about who invented what and when. It is about how American manufacturing can compete in the world market and sustain its higher costs.
Sen Kelly don't do a damn thing to protect the lazy workers that are not up to par with the skill required! Just because you are American doesn't mean you are automatically eligible to work. You need to learn the trade and how to work their way. Remember, Your boss invite them to teach and build their factory here, this is not High school where you complain all day long and refuse to attend school. Welcome to real life!
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How is US or Arizona government ok with this? Didn’t they approve Tsmc building their factory here thinking it would help the economy of AZ also? They’re bring all these Taiwanese workers that don’t even pay tax maybe. And people from AZ are losing their jobs. Did they came in with the work permit?
Oh but if Trump had done this he'd be saying how historic this was and how your grandchildren and their grandchildren will remember this moment and think "Trump" then he'd be calling himself the greatest president in history.....oh wait he already does🤣 jokes aside it's amazing how he wasn't smart enough to bring this massive industry back to America.
You should place the blame on the American governments. The US strategy was always outsourcing manufacturing outside of the US. So blaming TSMC is kinda stupid. If TSMC wasn’t forced by the US to keep the chip making going, they wouldn’t ever dreamed of setting up a chip making plant in Arizona. The only reason why the American government want TSMC in the US is to secure semiconductors away from China and to have supplies of chips for most of the high US tech firms.
"The US strategy was always outsourcing manufacturing" How US gov is to blame? In a scenario where USA build your own chip, you still lose with Taiwanese and Korean and Chinese chip company because with the way USA labor whine, they can't do the job! If by any chance they can do the job, it will cost 5-10x more than asian chip! Do you think most business are patriotic and buy the chip that does the same thing for 10x more ? Just think with your brain rather than being a beta always look for someone to blame! You American can't because you ask premium price! It is what it is!
How daft do you think Taiwanese company be? Do you think the Chinese won't know what you have once TSMC is in? TSMC may be Taiwan, but mostly for them it is only business!
US labour work attributes n labour unions r not in sync with chinese style management. Chinese workers tend to work harder n longer hours under extreme work conditions that US workers are not prepared to accept. A basic difference of Asian vs American students studying.
American workers worked 80 hours a week to build Silicon Valley long before thief Asians ever set foot in America. You must be a CCP agent sitting in Beijing engaging in criminal defamation. PLA probably. Everything you have you got from USA.
This is the same company Nancy Pelosi visited years ago and all sorts of drama with China. Was before they even broke ground in AZ. Then they claimed would bring job but the reports state 10k Taiwanese are going to be moving here to work at the plant
Its cheap electricity in AZ. But thats cos of low energy fuel costs. And this is a mix bag becos water in Az is expensive. Should have gone with Texas, Florida or Wasington. Cheap land, low energy costs, plenty of water.
the problem is we are in a race this in now mickey mouse club operation, it takes dedicated people who are hard working if this place is going to go live
As a resident who lives in the area, this is the most disgusting place to put a plant of this size. What used to be a really beautiful area has now been permanently scarred by this ugly, out of place industrial plant. And it will bring even more ugliness. I wonder how much those Taiwanese paid off local officials to make this happen.
He knows his stock options are going up along with Nancy Pelosi's stock in that company. Same company she visited and all that China drama and her. Before they even broke ground in AZ
@@tenminutetokyo2643 it is not about invention. The invention is already done by TSMC. They just need to do it diligently! You try to challange OP but TBH, your challange is kinda r/whoosh the whole point there!
@@blackdan0259bro they would never BUILD anything where you’re from lol because you have 0 nothing nada there ….. need I remind you TSMC wanted to build TSMC here lol 😅😂😂😂😂😂
這就是老共常講的帝國主義呀 西方文明不是沒聰明人但勤奮的人越來越少 現在成果就是建立在勤奮的人身上 但問題是勤奮的人不是他自己而是被他奴役的人 以前辛苦採棉花的人是誰？ 認真努力修鐵路的是誰？ 白人根本做不來 以前有奴隸跟奴工做勤奮的工作 這個年代已經沒有這些人 當然American is no great anymore
The problem is they claimed you have not enough skill required to do the job. You can be sure all you want but the standard is TSMC standard, not yours. This not the time where American rules! They rule and dictate how since your uncle Sam boss invite them to share their technology and build it here in USA!
@@blackdan0259bruhhh the us isn’t unskilled lol … global … Intel …. Samsung ….. It’s the Taiwanese being in the US and see that they can’t screw over US people how they did their own people so now they’re upset because American workers will stand up ⬆️…..
People just don't understand. There are chip manufactures in the U.S. like Intel and Texas Instruments but (Taiwanese based) TSMC is the world's absolute bleeding edge in chip manufacturing technology. No other company (expect for a close second like Korean Samsung) compares. The chip manufacturing industry is unlike any other industry and EXTREMELY specialized. And so are the plants where chips are being produced. Is it so incomprehensible that TSMC wants some of their own contractors to have a hand in the over-seas construction of a hundred+ billion Dollar project?
Right cause im buying up stock before they finish and it sky rocket
The Americans think making chips involves deep fryers.
I have seen both Mexican and American construction workers.
The Mexican ones work by the hour. The American ones work by the contract.
The Mexicans work by the contract only if deadline is near. Otherwise you will see three workers show up, shovel a pile of dirt and leave after less than 2 hrs of work. This would continue until a) they collect their pay or b) they complain about not being paid enough or being over worked.
This two tier system is not just the mindset of union workers but the entire American work force.
Now the Americans. They work by the contract. They dig a pile of gravel then fill it up.
Then when it caves in they want another contract. The same pay TWICE for rework of shoddy, less than 2 hrs of work "work".
TSMC is being held back by American "culture".
exactly
Still illegal under Title 8 of US law. Americans created Silicon Valley long before tech was even present in Asia.
Being humble and hardworking is no longer an American virtue, period.
Go away, bot.
Just like a merger of an American electrical company with a Japanese company. Japenese company having the majority. They immediately wanted the workers to work for just above minimum wage. Giving the workers to take a wage cut or look elsewhere. Many of the good electrical workers went elsewhere immediately without a notice.
Worker's wage compare to the cost of the site, equipment, and time to market is really nothing. That's not the point. Timing is the key and if local workers can't handle important tasks, due to having served other lukewarm companies for years and not able to adapt to successful company's workflow, just let them send experienced experts from Taiwan to unblock. Local workers can still do lower end work. After all, this is America. You get paid fairly for what you actually contributed.
Rigged labor markets a Federal crime under US law.
Or maybe they don’t want to be doing more sophisticated work for half the capital they’d be earning at “lukewarm” companies. It’s like Asians like being slaves
@@ChnesRep中華民國OfTaiwanfool
Don't blame TSMC. If you were the CEO and you can pay half the wage in Taiwan, Why you have to pay twice to build a fab in the US?
TSMC is actually forced by the US goverment, you guys needs to know the operation cost in the US is twice than that in Taiwan. Leaving Taiwan, the benefit of low cost will be gone. What TSMC really wants to do is 'escape' from the US.
They are just puppets being manipulated and bullied by the USA. And Taiwan happily lap it up esp her brain dead President
They damn well need to be blamed. Unreal buddy
@@chicanobluesaz4191
You got to know why TSMC is upset. Originally, the US government did not ask TSMC to share profits, but after TSMC build the fab, the chip bill requires TSMC to share profits with the US government. Treat TSMC as a fool.
God we need more people with comon sense these days
Rigged labor markets are a crime under US law. 8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens
It's because the U.S workers are union. Anyone else notice how union workers work slow as molasses? If it were left up to them the factory wouldn't get done for another 10 years. Guess being in a union isn't such a good thing sometimes.
Ignorance and broad generalization there......
This is spot on, TSMC has already forked out 40 billion for this project and unions usually drag on projects to either get more over time and try to squeeze out every penny. They obviously saw that the fab was taking too long and decided to throw some taiwanese in too speed up the progress. I guarantee the fab being built in Japan will be built far faster than in Arizona.
It depends on the worker. If a guy is lazy being union he will be lazy being non union. My husband used to be the main forman on the job site. If he saw a lax area he talk to the forman to see if there was a problem. If it was material he make the calls etc. But if it was people it was area formans job. If the forman still allowed it to continue he tell the foreman they didn't need him anymore along with the workers. My husband was good at his job. He had job offers from companies all around and yes he was union. But that didn't stop him from doing his job. He always worked hard to bring in a job on time or earlier.
@@GhostTapeNo.9 ignorant
@@alissagonzales735 it's so refreshing seeing someone with common sense here
The requirements of having silicon chips and potato chips are very different!
Before complaining and blaming others, people should look at themselves first.
Americans created Silicon Valley long before Asians ever set foot in America.
Former CEO of TSMC used to be the CEO of Taxes Instruments for years. When the US government required TSMC to build a High tech chip plant in the US, he already told president Biden and Ms. Pelosi that it would be a disaster because of different task mindsets of the US workers and Taiwanese workers.
The US is really putting a rock in their own shoes, it’d make sense for the Taiwanese company to send their own people over with good pay, instead of training others up and hang over their tech advantage to others freely. Beggars can’t be chooser.
Hey, I don't mind the pay cuts, just as long as they have a TSMC chip plant in Arizona, I'm happy. TSMC, the most advanced chip manufacturer in the world. I'd be so honored for working at TSMC that I'll stand in line everyday for that job, so if you don't want it, I'll take it. Where can I apply ?
Right? They need and have the world's flattest mirror
Hey, I don't mind the pay cuts, just as long as they have a TSMC chip plant in Arizona, I'm happy. TSMC, the most advanced chip manufacturer in the world. I'd be so honored for working at TSMC that I'll stand in line everyday for that job, so if you don't want it, I'll take it. Where can I apply ?
I’ve worked in most of these buildings, and the fab is so packed with people that’s it hard to do anything we had to go in at night just to make some progress on our scope of work. Also safety doesn’t make it any easier. If anything safety is what slows us down but for good reason right.
I’m union and proud . We REFUSE to work 18 hr shifts and sleep in cots provided by tsmc .
That is fine if you don't want to, you do have a choice! The problem lies not with your choice, the problem is the Taiwanese asks if you can't do it, let them do it for you and you refuse to work, and you afraid they are going to replace you! What kind of bologney are you on? Just because you have a choice don't mean others can't do it faster because you are union. You can be proud that is not the problem, the problem is you are proud and force your way into others that are willing to do it when you refuse to do it! That is WHERE THE PROBLEM lies!
Good. Don't work at TSMC. Time to bring hardworking Taiwanese to Arizona and replace LAZY AMERICAN workers. Americans can work at KFC or Mcdonalds, let the big money goes to other people 🤭.
then quit crying and complaining when your out of a job
You don't have to work 18 hours a day, but you're also not going to get paid more for what you aren't willing to do.
TSMC doesn't have to build a manufacturer in the USA; they are asked by the US government to build one here, and if
American workers can't work with the government together like the Japanese do to help bring the chip industry back to
home, then America is meant to be doomed.
@@blackdan0259 You know that's also describes the entire American mentality of other countries as a whole "stealing" American jobs.
Cyrus Janssen has done a great deep dive into this, 500 Engineers from Tawain were to come.
Violation of Title 8 of US law.
@@tenminutetokyo2643 If they are violating American laws then tell TSMC to pack up and go home. They didn't want to open their plant in America. It was US that dragged them over.
@@jjsamuelgunn1136 that and they wanted tsmc to abide to the force technology transfer as to have ability to manufacture chips domestically
It's simple tho. If you don't like the job then quit it. Work harder if you are worried about people trying to push you out. No one can force you to sign the contract.
There isn't even enough skilled workers in the US who can work with advanced EE, most Americans don't have the necessary degrees for this stuff.
America's hardest working tech workers who created Silicon Valley have been run out by racist Asians. No amount of hard work will save you if racists target you for removal. Stop the criminal defamation.
However talented American workers are comparing to Taiwanese workers, I think they just need the workers to be precisely obeying on how they want the chip manufacture to be built. Other than safety, No personal hobbies and requirements at the construction site would be considered appropriate. Look, the same project in Japan that started couple months later is almost completed! It’s because Japanese and Taiwanese workers have the same mindset on works and tasks.
Willing to be unquestioningly exploited
tsmc is a great company that creates the progress of human civilization
There you go. Jobs for everybody.
How much is Mark Kelly getting from this deal?
Exactly!
Or maybe he owns stocks like Nancy Pelosi does. This was the same company she went and visited few years ago before construction even began. And there was all that china drama with her going there
A "few for training purposes" ummm 500 is not a few and how is this ok? 😳
Most US pols are bribed. Google "Bribing the world with Chinese characteristics".
When u know how tsmc work 24 hrs with 3 shift and no hp allow and All their supplier chain also required to support them 24 hrs, u already expected that non of the us worker can do this
How TSMC can avoid USA’s and Arizona’s laws and regulations to push Arizona construction workers out?
But comparing Taiwan construction workers,
most of Arizona construction workers are unqualified in the eyes of TSMC.
How did that company get so many work visa's to replace all those workers???
It’s possible that people are paranoid and they didn’t get those visas. It hasn’t gotten easier to get visas it’s gotten much harder and a long wait if you're lucky enough to qualify. Unless of course you're the president and it’s your wife and her family.
No regulations. They just applied for it.
Thank Ducey
They aren't being replaced. Taiwan wants to bring x-amount of temporary workers here to help finish the project and then they are going back 😂. Sure they are and I own an island.
Being replaced is not a shame. Just a certification that local workers' skill set or mentality is outdated. And in such a capitalism country, you get your fair share of worker's compensation (dont compare to managers, VPs) for what you have contributed. TSMC, after all, didn't choose to come to Arizona voluntarily. If Arizona doesn't work, they should go to Texas. If Texas doesn't work, then they should come back to Taiwan. We are the Silicon island country, after all.
Today's American workers are just as lacking in accountability and competence as Indian employees.
Even if Taiwan wants to help America be great again, it seems a far target.
American education can create the top of the planet, but it cannot raise the average person to a higher level.
In contrast to Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, China, most of the citizens are university graduates, and even a builder in TSMC can have a master's degree.
American great again really requirement is a great people , instead of a country with strong .
it's not fair to say American don't have great people. Just younger ones have joined Internet and Fintech companies, and older ones that built all the roads, airports, Boeing jets have retired. The current mid-aged generation didn't get much chance to do real competitive works thanks to all the outsourcing, also they didn't take STEM degrees, and don't speak other foreign languages. Let Silicon valley continue to work closely with the Silicon island country and sell California designed products to the world is fine.
@@ChnesRep中華民國OfTaiwan Thanks.
Americans are working for money that barely pays their rent and can't afford education. Moron.
American workers built Silicon Valley long before anyone else ever moved in. TSMC is getting a free plant paid for by US workers and free money to pay foreign workers with US money. Stop the lies.
There are many great craftsmen on this project and I have been there myself. What the TSMC big dawgs want is their plant built on American soil and they want Americans to Bow down like they do in Taiwan and it will not work that way. We can build your plant and do a great job of it but let's not forget you snubbed the unions here in AZ so be fair when your pointing fingers.
They are also getting the plant built for free with US money, and they want US money to pay for foreign workers too. Americans have to pay the borrowed money back.
Love this I’ve been at TSMC over a year and the conditions there are trash compared to Intel you can tell they want to shit on US workers and we won’t have that … that’s where the real issue comes alive !!!!
Now I know why US can't make most advance chip. It's obvious.
Americans built Silicon Valley long before US-taxpayer-sucking Asian thieves ever set foot in America.
TSMC boss obviously did not do his due diligence before embarking on this multi billion dollar project
It's called criminal defamation.
The management philosophy and work culture of the Taiwanese and the US are totally different. One is company before self and the other is self before anything else. It is not going to end well!
They were told to build it or be sanctioned, literally
TSMC boss did alot of thinking about this, and he made the right decision. In order to preserve TSMC's future, TSMC must not be allowed to fall into the hands of the communist regime no matter the cost.
Biden threatened them to build a plant in the US. TSMC never wanted to build a plant there at the first place
You can’t bring foreign labor workers to USA for this project. That’s wrong and they would never let us bring workers to Taiwan, that I can promise.
Actually you are partially incorrect in your promise. Taiwan law is strict on immigration, but relatively relaxed with folks to Taiwan under 3 months. I personally have pulled in 10 engineers from the US for an equipment install at TSMC Taiwan; usually 1 or 2 at a time, different experts at different phases of the install.
They are investing "Here". This means they don't want to waste a bunch of money on building a plant that is already "behind schedule." Why not be thankful for the new jobs and the technology.
We are fortunate they don't just pull the plug on the whole thing. When it is up and going they will probably wish they had. 1:47
If only they could get workers with the same talent, work ethic and intelligence in America maybe they wouldn’t bring in foreign labor. They’re a foreign company to begin with. If America is so great, then maybe the US should develop chips that could break the 5nm mark. Guess they can’t so stop blaming TSMC and blame America. This is the first time TSM is “behind” and the only change has been this one single thing: they moved to the US.
@@jeffburnette5830fortunate? To a major corporation that can't pay its people correctly? Brainwashed are we?
It's illegal. Rigged labor markets are a crime under US law. 8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens
Chinese building standards are much different than US standards. I had a feeling this would be a disaster
Yeah, Chinese building standard called for a computer chip plant, US standard classified it under potato chip production
Americans are more concerned about rights than working hard, how do you expect TSMC to stay.
Americans built Silicon Valley long before any other parasites moved in. Do you even know history?
TSMC can come to Southeast Asia. It's nearer and they have cheaper labor and qualified talent. TSMC can cancel all the factories in the US.
Bye. We don't need you.
No they can't .It's an order from the Boss either built it in America or sanctioned
Sad the US is portrayed with laziness and ignorance. Everyone here wants more pay but less work time. If someone else is willing to put in the effort and get the job done faster, then let them. Quite pathetic if you ask me.
Everything the world has came from America and American workers. 8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens
Senator Kelly is awful!!! awful
Half that plant will be workers from their country and they will hold the bigger jobs. The US gave them so much.
There is a reason that America's manufacturing isn't competitive on world market. To demand any wage level and sustain it, American workers need to prove that their value creation in the final products will be more than those "cheap" labor. If everyone can do everything you do for a better price, you just demand more because you are "American"? Just ask American consumers if they want to pay much more to support their American compatriots. Better still, ask these American workers if they go out shopping for much more expensive American made products for their own consumption. tsmc never wanted to build this fab in the US in the first place. tsmc was forced to come here by US politicians. Why not just let tsmc go back to manufacture in Taiwan, and we just by imported chips? American workers demand more because America's cost of living is higher. American workers need to work on products/services that are of much higher value creation, like design. Chip manufacturing isn't going to sustain.
to be fair, wages these Arizona labor got is already on the par if not more, or they wouldn't accept the offer in the first place. It's time to deliver not talk. It's either TSMC way or highway. Whatever they have learned from Intel or other US chip companies don't matter. Can't adapt to it? We should pull the plug and come back to Taiwan.
American workers invented Silicon Valley long before tech even existed in Asia. 25 years ago Asia was begging the USA for help.
@@tenminutetokyo2643 good old days are long gone. US wasted 2 trillions in two wars, outsourced millions of manufacturing jobs elsewhere, addicted to issues related to genitals/gender and endless quarrels. Other countries are not sleeping sitting this time.
@@tenminutetokyo2643 Is that how you ask help? By reminding others how you help them? If so let me tell you this, 70-75 years ago, America was stealing the technology from German Nazi! 100 years ago, Japan learn from Europe a lot and Japan becoming industrialized and had their head so big they have a sense of false invincibility like a teenager
@@tenminutetokyo2643 American workers need to focus on their strengths in innovation, their products have to be able to charge a premium in the world market to sustain the higher labor costs going into the products. Otherwise, the demand for higher wages will eventually bring down every American manufacturing. It is not about who invented what and when. It is about how American manufacturing can compete in the world market and sustain its higher costs.
1. Behind schedule
2. Not all the workers are union
3. We need the jobs that follow the initial construction.
- do what it takes
Sen Kelly won't do a damn thing to protect the workers.
Sen Kelly don't do a damn thing to protect the lazy workers that are not up to par with the skill required! Just because you are American doesn't mean you are automatically eligible to work. You need to learn the trade and how to work their way. Remember, Your boss invite them to teach and build their factory here, this is not High school where you complain all day long and refuse to attend school. Welcome to real life!
Rigged labor markets are a crime under US law. 8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens
It's great that foreign countries can walk right in and use Colorado River water.
It iIs For Geopolitical Reason That it Is Being Expedited With The Man Force ...Most I Imagine From The Original Build In Taiwan To Rush Replication.... Critical... Literally For The World 🌎...
How is US or Arizona government ok with this? Didn’t they approve Tsmc building their factory here thinking it would help the economy of AZ also? They’re bring all these Taiwanese workers that don’t even pay tax maybe. And people from AZ are losing their jobs. Did they came in with the work permit?
My Director always says, american is the most difficult to manage. and he himself is an american
Try to understand it "in depth"; brains matter, not lips!
The union Should Buff up and get out jobs Strong unions are good important
Oh but if Trump had done this he'd be saying how historic this was and how your grandchildren and their grandchildren will remember this moment and think "Trump" then he'd be calling himself the greatest president in history.....oh wait he already does🤣 jokes aside it's amazing how he wasn't smart enough to bring this massive industry back to America.
You should place the blame on the American governments. The US strategy was always outsourcing manufacturing outside of the US. So blaming TSMC is kinda stupid. If TSMC wasn’t forced by the US to keep the chip making going, they wouldn’t ever dreamed of setting up a chip making plant in Arizona. The only reason why the American government want TSMC in the US is to secure semiconductors away from China and to have supplies of chips for most of the high US tech firms.
"The US strategy was always outsourcing manufacturing" How US gov is to blame? In a scenario where USA build your own chip, you still lose with Taiwanese and Korean and Chinese chip company because with the way USA labor whine, they can't do the job! If by any chance they can do the job, it will cost 5-10x more than asian chip! Do you think most business are patriotic and buy the chip that does the same thing for 10x more ? Just think with your brain rather than being a beta always look for someone to blame! You American can't because you ask premium price! It is what it is!
How daft do you think Taiwanese company be? Do you think the Chinese won't know what you have once TSMC is in? TSMC may be Taiwan, but mostly for them it is only business!
Most US pols in US governments are paid off by foreign powers. "Bribing the world with Chinese characteristics". Google it.
It's capitalism. Don't start crying now.
Even capitalists aren't allowed to break the law. Rigged labor markets are a crime under US law. 8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens
US labour work attributes n labour unions r not in sync with chinese style management. Chinese workers tend to work harder n longer hours under extreme work conditions that US workers are not prepared to accept. A basic difference of Asian vs American students studying.
American workers worked 80 hours a week to build Silicon Valley long before thief Asians ever set foot in America. You must be a CCP agent sitting in Beijing engaging in criminal defamation. PLA probably. Everything you have you got from USA.
Don’t teach them you fool
This has nothing to do with Chinese people, sorry.
Smack dab in the middle of our beautiful desert. Everything about this chip plant is sketch.
This is the same company Nancy Pelosi visited years ago and all sorts of drama with China.
Was before they even broke ground in AZ.
Then they claimed would bring job but the reports state 10k Taiwanese are going to be moving here to work at the plant
Its cheap electricity in AZ. But thats cos of low energy fuel costs. And this is a mix bag becos water in Az is expensive.
Should have gone with Texas, Florida or Wasington. Cheap land, low energy costs, plenty of water.
build it they will come
Choosing beggars much? America begged TSMC to build this fab, TSMC can put up a no-American allowed sign and America still have to obey.
the problem is we are in a race this in now mickey mouse club operation, it takes dedicated people who are hard working if this place is going to go live
Let's hope it is not going to be *TOFU DREG PROJECT.*
Takes too long to finish construction. China already has replacement.
This project is doomed for failure
Usual tactic. Substitute with CHEAP Taiwanese workers. Out go the expensive troublemakers. 1 Taiwanese = 5 expensive workers, a no-brainer move.
USA biden this is infrastructure , LOL!❤ a white elephant !
As a resident who lives in the area, this is the most disgusting place to put a plant of this size. What used to be a really beautiful area has now been permanently scarred by this ugly, out of place industrial plant. And it will bring even more ugliness. I wonder how much those Taiwanese paid off local officials to make this happen.
In case you don't know it was US government forcing TSMC to come to Arizona
Hahahaha even at construction phase, they are already not happy 😂, just wait….
Why would an astronaut know about corporate construction plans from Tiwan?
Maybe, the Astronaut is also a Senator representing Arizona.
@@Pop8Tartshe's also lining his pockets with that tsmc money
He knows his stock options are going up along with Nancy Pelosi's stock in that company.
Same company she visited and all that China drama and her. Before they even broke ground in AZ
@@pliskin13xEXACTLY
Skill issue.
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i think American are not suitable for the job, TSMC please come Malaysia....
Name one invention to ever come out of Malaysia. LOL.
@@tenminutetokyo2643 it is not about invention. The invention is already done by TSMC. They just need to do it diligently! You try to challange OP but TBH, your challange is kinda r/whoosh the whole point there!
@@blackdan0259bro they would never BUILD anything where you’re from lol because you have 0 nothing nada there ….. need I remind you TSMC wanted to build TSMC here lol 😅😂😂😂😂😂
@@tenminutetokyo2643most of the USA inventions comes from immigrants or foreign scientists working for US govt or company
He saidd "Home 'country', Taiwan." and nobody from China complain yet.
china has no say on this.
China is laughing at you guys right now.
CCP is an illegal occupier. And mass murderer.
美國人工作懶散遲早被淘汰==~~不要認為不可能==~~爽日子過太久了==~~~~
可笑的邏輯，美國是對勞工權益有保障的國家，中國跟台灣那種沒人權的國家被壓榨還幫資方講話，可笑
@@hugocheng6243懒光荣？什么逻辑！发点善心让这台湾厂回家吧，别强迫它留在美国，人家根本不愿在美设厂。
所以他們加州高鐵永遠蓋不完
“台積電”仍然相信漂亮國的話或協議, 台灣太天真了 在沙漠上建一個超大型的工廠，又超會用水和用電的。
這就是老共常講的帝國主義呀 西方文明不是沒聰明人但勤奮的人越來越少 現在成果就是建立在勤奮的人身上 但問題是勤奮的人不是他自己而是被他奴役的人 以前辛苦採棉花的人是誰？ 認真努力修鐵路的是誰？ 白人根本做不來 以前有奴隸跟奴工做勤奮的工作 這個年代已經沒有這些人 當然American is no great anymore
Taiwan USA No.1
Union busting at it's finest I'm sure there are enough American construction workers that could fill those jobs
The problem is they claimed you have not enough skill required to do the job. You can be sure all you want but the standard is TSMC standard, not yours. This not the time where American rules! They rule and dictate how since your uncle Sam boss invite them to share their technology and build it here in USA!
Rigged labor markets are a crime under US law. 8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens
@@blackdan0259bruhhh the us isn’t unskilled lol … global … Intel …. Samsung …..
It’s the Taiwanese being in the US and see that they can’t screw over US people how they did their own people so now they’re upset because American workers will stand up ⬆️…..