The spirit as in alcohol? I understand that drugs play a role on many religious groups. So to turn water to wine to make drunk people more drunk at a party like Jesus should have done helps surely.
@@samanthajayewardene4523 Faith connects us with the creator of the universe. Only by Grace through faith does this miracle take place. No religion needed.
@@paulgemme6056 Do you hate your mother, father, brother, sister and wife? If not then you cant be a follower of Jesus says Luke 14,26. But this is in breach of the commandments to honor father and mother. Furthermore who hates has committed murder according to John 3,15. So are you a murderer following Jesus?
@@paulgemme6056 you, you personally, get all your morality and ethics from outside the Bible. And I can prove it. You get your morality and ethics from the exact same place atheists do. You personally, do not live exactly as the Bible commands you to. And that's a good thing because the Bible is an evil book that commands you to commit evil acts. The fact that you don't commit those evil acts (because if you did you'd be in prison, unable to post on TH-cam) means you're a far far more moral and ethical person than the Bible wants you to be, because you get your entire moral code from outside the Bible. And I can prove it. It's the practice of secular humanism. Essentially, the idea that morality is secular and objective. You make just one single subjective concession, the idea that helping as many humans as much as possible is a good thing, but then everything else other than that is objectively moral, objectively working towards that goal, and it all stems and grows from that original goal, that original maxim that it's a good thing to help people. People who only act good and charitable because they're coerced into it by the threat of eternal torture, aren't good people. Honestly, most Christians are better, more moral and ethical people than the bible commands them to be. Christians already get their code of morality from outside the bible or any other religious sources, just like atheists do. But they don't seem to realise that, because they never bother to actually read the bible and find out about the awful stuff it tells people to do. Because Jesus was a bigot. Most Christians are far more moral and ethical people than jesus ever was, they're better people than him. The proof is the Bible itself. They're better people than the Bible literally commands them to be. Because Christians get their code of morality from outside the bible, just like atheists do. I don't think anyone actually needs the bible in their life. Most Christians are already better people than the bible wants them to be, so why need it at all? They already pick and choose which parts of the bible to follow, they don't follow everything it tells them to do, which proves they already get their morality from outside the bible anyway, because they just inherently know that things like slavery and murder and physically punishing young girls for being rape victims are evil and wrong, even though the Bible says it's OK. ⠀ Because jesus explicitly says in the bible in Matthew 5:17 _EVERY_ _SINGLE_ _LAW_ _AND_ _RULE_ in the Old Testament still applies and will continue to apply until the end of time. In John 7:16-19 he berates people for disobeying the old testament, and in Luke 15:17 he says it's easier for the universe to fall apart than for one single letter of the law to. ⠀ So picking and choosing which parts you wanna follow is literally disobeying a direct command from jesus. You either follow literally every single law in the bible unwaveringly, or you're not actually a Christian, and that's according to Jesus himself quoted word for word in the bible. ⠀ And so if you already aren't getting your morality from the bible at all, why even need it in the first place? Most Christians in the world are absolutely 100% more moral people than the Bible asks them to be, they are already far better people than the Bible thinks they should be. They're surely against slavery, against genocide, against murder, against rape and especially the rape of children, against women and children having to obey the man that owns them (father or husband) and if they don't obey everything their owner says, the owners are allowed to kill the women and children to death for disobeying, and still are allowed into heaven because it "doesn't count" as murder under those circumstances. That's what the Bible tells people to do, follow those objectively evil commandments, like murder and slavery and rape being OK. The vast majority of Christians are against all of those things. They are already good people, so why should they need to read a book where anything that agrees with what they already think, they keep, and anything that disagrees with what they already think, they ignore? They pick and choose from the bible because it's obvious which parts of it are objectively evil, and so if the Bible never says these things are evil, then how does anyone know that they are evil at all? Because morality comes from outside the Bible. Morality is secular and objective, and it's the same morality atheists follow, and the vast majority of all religious people follow. It doesn't come from any holy book. Because if it did, then they wouldn't ignore half of the rules in their holy books. ⠀ By picking and choosing which parts to follow, they're proving that your morality comes from outside the Bible, because otherwise they wouldn't know which parts are good and which are not, if their morality didn't come from outside of the bible, then they wouldn't know which parts are so bad that you have to ignore them to be a good person. Nobody had to ever tell them that murder and slavery is bad, they just know it. Because humans are inherently moral and morality is secular. The minority of people who aren't like that don't represent the other 99% of humans. Humans are naturally altruistic and charitable. It's how the human race survived several near extinction events. Because people worked together in communities and tribes, meanwhile all the individualistic and selfish people died off in ice ages or catastrophic volcano eruptions or any other of the near extinction events. The human race was down to just a few thousand people, a few thousand survivors, and everyone alive today is descended from that small group who worked together to survive, and it's why humans are naturally altruistic and charitable and they help their fellow man because they know it's the objectively moral thing to do. ⠀ ⠀ So why even need the Bible at all, then? If your morality already comes from outside the bible, which is why you don't own people as property, or murder your wife and child for disobeying you, or go around raping children. You know those are bad ideas, without anybody ever needing to tell you that. The Bible never had to tell you murder is bad and immoral for you to understand that. That belief of yours already existed before you read the bible. Someone who's morality hypothetically _DOES_ come from the bible would need to be told by the Bible that murder is bad, and they wouldn't have known that otherwise. ⠀ The vast majority of Christians are far more moral ethical people than the Bible commands them to be. Very very few Christians follow the Bible word for word even though Jesus literally commanded them to do and said that anyone who doesn't follow every law both big and small, wouldn't get into heaven. ⠀ So the bible is just an unnecessary extra step. Your morality is already there, you don't need to spend time double checking it, by using the bible, and then ignoring any time the Bible doesn't agree with you anyway. The Bible is not going to change your mind on things like slavery and child rape, you're going to not follow those parts of the bible anyway, so it's just a waste of your time reading through it all like that. Christian's morality is not based on the Bible, it never was, it comes from outside of it. So why waste time going through it all like that if it is not going to change your morality anyway? No, in fact, the bible has to adjust to _YOU_ and _YOUR_ morality, by the fact you throw out the bits that don't agree with you. That's how the vast majority of Christians treat the bible. It's why in countries like here in the UK, there's plenty of gay priests, and gay church goers, because it's accepted. They threw out the evil command that being gay is an abomination, because their morality come from outside the bible and they know that being homophobic is wrong without anyone ever needing to teach them that. No holy book ever told them homophobia is wrong, they just know it. Most Christians are good people, or at least much better than what the bible wants them to be. Not because anyone ever had to tell them how to be a good person. No, they're good person people because they were born that way, and 99% of humans are the same way, naturally moral and ethical and kind and altruistic and charitable.
@@paulgemme6056 Sounds like you BS God sees BS Satan's right as being higher than ours? Evolution has nothing to do with weather your God is true. (This Satan sound almost as dumb as your God?)
I really like how politely, methodically, calmly, and respectfully they engage with him. It just feels like so many "conversations" at this point are just people shouting at each other, putting each down and condescending to one another and in the process accomplishing absolutely nothing.
Indeed, I struggle to understand how people have the position of believing mythology AND make life decisions and laws and discrimination to others completely because of that belief
Yeah, it is frustrating, but Atheists must bear with it and forgive (genuine) Christians for they do not know what they believe... most Christians were indoctrinated and sold the nonsense since childhood for generations. The "light" at the end of the tunnel is Religion overall is on its way out, church attendance continues to decline, and more Christians are leaving Religion for various reasons - LGBQT bigotry, increasingly political, sexual abuse, scammers etc... The facts and trend, unlike Religion, are not lying. More and more people leaving Religion as they discover they can and are having a moral and spiritual life without Religion and the god beliefs. I suspect however Religion will become increasingly desperate to try and remain relevant before it inevitably dies. i.e. shove Bibles in public schools, legislate Christian laws, "Christian nationalism", more scummy apologists and proselytizing etc..
"Pastor eugene, what would you like to have for dinner tonight?" Pastor Eugene: "Well, I am not hungry now, but assuming my human body continues its metabolic functions and I will expend enough energy to require sustenance in the latter portion of the day, I would elect then to have food. What food that may be is not yet a decided quantity or quality and I suppose I will sit in my study, be graciously blessed with the holy spirit and only then I would be able to sort through my hand written notes of restaurants, numbers and menu items to choose from" I love listening to him talk it's like talking to a 153 year old man.
@WooliteMammoth Jesus Christ is the Living Word. Jesus Christ is the Bread of Life. Atheists offer no hope. This world offers no hope. Jesus Christ is our only Hope. Our Living Hope. Study and learn. The truth will set you free. Faith comes from hearing the Word. Repent (change your mind) and be saved today. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. The Eternal Word (John 1:1 - 5) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness and the darkness did not comprehend it.
@ScienceNow- his brain is like when you're washing your white clothes in the laundry and accidentally leave a red sock in there, turning everything pink and ruining it all forever
A large group of people in Salem "could tell" that some people had been captured by "the adversary." They drowned some of them and burned others. People who claim to "know" are very dangerous.
What they should also point out is the Raped woman remains raped. The Molested child remains molested. The Murdered person remains dead. Why should the criminal who caused those things get forgiven and washed clean while the victim gets ignored. How is that moral at all.
The bible is God's/Jesus Christ's love letter to you, to let you know that your sins are covered (washed away) by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ). Christ Jesus paid for our forgiveness/pardon, all we need to do is believe (have Faith), acknowledge our sinful condition, our need for his Grace and mercy and accept the gift of God - eternal life - to know him. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Don't be deceived, ask God to reveal truth to you. 2 Corinthians 4:4 whose minds the god (little g - the devil) of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
@@rtart.e5458 What is the works of God? Read your bible, it really has the answers. John 6:28,29 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
@@paulgemme6056 The definition of god is about the same as the definition of nothing nothing is all powerful nothing in outside of space and time nothing is all knowing nothing is X where x is a given attribute of god that i've heard about, so i think the truth has been revealed, and it's nothing. you need to re watch this part @21:21
@@robgilmour3147 Yeah, like life just showed up one day from nothing. I don't think so. Man is so dumb thinking that everything came about from nothing. It's absurd!
Knock-knock. Who’s there? It’s Jesus. Let me in. Why should I let you in? I have to save you. Save me from what? From what I’ll do to you if you don’t let me in. (Sounds like the old protection racket.)
@@martinvasquez6258 We can tell what is in a man's heart by the words that come out of his mouth. Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. -Jesus Christ.
Yup. "I'm right because my book says so and my book is right because it says so and you're wrong because I say so and so does my book which is true so you must clearly be wrong because if you were right then I'd be wrong and I can't be wrong because I have a book that is right and " and on and on and on..
@@tehspamgozehere Atheists, this world and the devil (Satan) offer no hope for man's soul/spirit. God/Jesus Christ offers the free gift of knowing him. By Grace through faith, we are saved it is not of ourselves lest any man should boast. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners and Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. Evil/sin runs rampant and is getting worse every day. look around, look within. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Wow. When Eugene was asked if faith or evidence was better and he replied he'd never thought of that before, my heart grew three sizes. Excellent job, gentlemen!!
Host: how did you determine that the Bible was a reliable tool? Caller: feeling something feeling Host: how did you determine that feeling was the Holy Spirit? Caller: bullshit this, bullshit that.
Seriously! The caller thinks people are suggesting that different shades of red are what people are referencing when they say there are contradictions in the bible. How dishonest.
Kudos to the pastor who put the honest work to listen, answer and, most important, THINK about the topics discussed. It's all about the interaction and the engagement.
@@JayMaverick the point of any debate or discussion like this isn't to change the mind of the person you're arguing with. That's impossible. You'll never change their mind. Because when human beings are presented with arguments and evidence that debunks their beliefs, they actually become MORE entrenched in their beliefs and believe them even more. It's just a weird quirk of how human brains work. Partly because people are too embarrassed and ashamed to ever publicly admit that they were wrong. If their beliefs are public, they'll never possibly be changed or reversed. No, the point of discussions and debates like this is to change the minds of the people listening to or watching the debate. The silent observers. The audience, the crowd. They simply watch. They never profess their beliefs to the thousands of people watching. And therefore their minds are extremely changeable. They can have their beliefs completely reversed and because they never told anyone what those beliefs were, they don't have the human psychological stubbornness that makes them even more entrenched in their false beliefs, they can change their minds completely and nobody will ever know. So you'll never change the mind of the person you're debating with. But you _CAN_ change the minds of the thousands of people who are watching the debate. It's an extremely effective way to do so.
you were fooled by the illusion of thinking. 33 years of "bible study", calling into an atheist talk show to preach, and unsure if he'd disown his own children for being non-believers. it's over for this guy.
@ScienceNow- logos does mean a lot of things but not word. This mistranslation started with people who did not understand Greek philosophy which the author used.
@ScienceNow- logos does mean a lot of things but not word. This mistranslation started with people who did not understand Greek philosophy which the author used.
@ScienceNow- logos does mean a lot of things but not word. This mistranslation started with people who did not understand Greek philosophy which the author used.
@ScienceNow- logos does mean a lot of things but not word. This mistranslation started with people who did not understand Greek philosophy which the author used.
@@petyrkowalski9887 The bible is God's/Jesus Christ's love letter to you, to let you know that your sins are covered (washed away) by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ). Christ Jesus paid for our forgiveness/pardon, all we need to do is believe (have Faith), acknowledge our sinful condition, our need for his Grace and mercy and accept the gift of God - eternal life - to know him. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Don't be deceived, ask God to reveal truth to you. 2 Corinthians 4:4 whose minds the god (little g - the devil) of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
@@jayjasespud If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. That's the difference. One must first admit their sinful condition. Then God/Jesus Christ can forgive them. When one rejects the free gift of God, they are sending themself to hell because of unbelief.
@@alphaalvey5029 Because we are all born sinners, we inherit a sinful condition from Adam. By God's Grace and Mercy, we can be regenerated. Our spirit made alive. Our sins forgiven and we receive the free gift of God - eternal life - to know him (Spirit to spirit). Love him because he first loved us by sending Christ Jesus to die for our pardon/freedom from sin. No religion needed Just faith (believing), faith plus nothing.
_"Hello? Police? I'd like to report a naked woman at the gas station. _*_*nods*_*_ In about 10 minutes. Oh, and can I get a large pizza? You're right, I'll call direct."_
Man you guys are nicer than me. Every time Eugene made an assertion like "the holy spirit enters me," I would've just said "no you didn't." You guys are really patient.
@@RinZ3993 Man is the most destructive creature on the planet and we all contribute to its destruction everyday. Peace be with you! This world is not our home. John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
The good Pastor is willing to sacrifice his humanity on the altar of a book that he can't prove! Apologists in a nutshell: "God is incomprehensible, now listen very carefully while I tell you all about him." When someone says "as a Christian" I say "sorry for your affliction."
@seanmcghee Yes, that's why Jesus says the gate to heaven is narrow and few will find it. Jesus Christ the gate, the way, the truth and the life. There is no other way. Delusion comes from the enemy of our souls. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. He is deceiving himself. The enemy has caused his thinking to be diluted. All have sinned and are in need of God's Grace and Mercy. No religion needed. Just faith (believing), faith plus nothing.
@@paulgemme6056 Faith is just believing things without evidence, Paul. That's why it's not knowledge my friend. And it can NEVER be proven what Jesus actually ever said. What you mean is: my old book says that Jesus said the gate to heaven is narrow and few will find it. Delusion comes from believing in nonsense in old fictional books. That were written by unknown authors
In case you missed it, the way this guy gauges the reliability of the Bible is by using the Bible to recognize adversaries. In other words, anyone who denies the accuracy of his Bible is an adversary, proving him right. Nothing like theist self deception.
@@VildhjartaFanGurl Yes, that's why Jesus says the gate to heaven is narrow and few will find it. Jesus Christ the gate, the way, the truth and the life. There is no other way. Delusion comes from the enemy of our souls. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. He is deceiving himself. The enemy has caused his thinking to be diluted. All have sinned and are in need of God's Grace and Mercy. No religion needed. Just faith (believing), faith plus nothing.
@paulgemme6056 this reads like a cult of cthulu member. Just replace the name Jesus with Yog Sothoth. Yog Sothoth is both the gate and key. The opener of the way and the path itself.
Really? So when he tosses me in Hell, Jesus's door is still open? Or am I totally screwed and going to suffer forever just because I didn't believe an illogical and mistake filled story? What love!!!
I have watched lots of these types of podcasts and I think this is one of the better ones. I loved the way the discussion was so gentle and civilised %
@@bodricthered Man is the most destructive creature on the planet and we all contribute to its destruction everyday. Peace be with you! This world is not our home. John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
@@sandersson2813 Man is the most destructive creature on the planet and we all contribute to its destruction everyday. Peace be with you! This world is not our home. John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
@@christophermartin7044 Man is the most destructive creature on the planet and we all contribute to its destruction everyday. Peace be with you! This world is not our home. John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
@@crystalw8050 Man is the most destructive creature on the planet and we all contribute to its destruction everyday. Peace be with you! This world is not our home. John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
“I have a spiritual power of discernment to tell who has been taken by the adversary, by Satan.” Translation: there are people who say and do things I don’t like.
When he went silent, after being asked if faith is still required when there's evidence - and then thoughtfully said, "I never thought of it that way..." it became apparent that reaching him is not without hope...
I find it so interesting that people can believe that the bible is historical accurate. When not only are there 2 different creation stories right after each other but both are easily proven to be wrong.
He has mountains of bs to shore them up. Those foundations will never be sound or solid and be in a constant state of collapse but he'll just keep bluffing mindlessly.
Thiis caller is so creepy. So self righteous to himself, and probably forcefully to his poor wife.What one says in public can be upside down different in private. To believe in a devil, and to hear a devil is to run into very bad situations. Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love
To that pastor and all Christians etc: “The Bible is evidence that Bible exists. Its not evidence for a god, it is a claim. You dont know what evidence is, and that’s sad.”
Yes, that's why Jesus says the gate to heaven is narrow and few will find it. Jesus Christ the gate, the way, the truth and the life. There is no other way. Delusion comes from the enemy of our souls. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. He is deceiving himself. The enemy has caused his thinking to be diluted. All have sinned and are in need of God's Grace and Mercy. No religion needed. Just faith (believing), faith plus nothing.
Adam and Eve were deceived by the evil one and that caused all mankind to be sinful. Inherited from Adam. We do not have to teach a child how lie/cheat/steal/sin. It is in the DNA. We have to teach them how not to do those things because they are wrong/sinful. The proof is in the taste of the pudding. Sin/evil runs rampant, look around, take your head out of the sand. Do some studying of God's word (the bible). You will learn a lot and if you really want to know the truth, the truth will be revealed to you by the power of the Holy Spirit. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
Hope he discovers Freedom From Religion Foundation. I hear they detoxify peoples brains that have been subjected to religious indoctrination. So yes, miracles do happen, just not in the nonsensical bible book of fibbery and gibberish.
@@jameswright... Is there a creation myth that is anything other than a collection of assertions and assumptions? Eugene is convinced that a particularly messy creation myth is factual, so it's no surprise that when, confronted with reason, he responded by simply restating his beliefs. In my opinion, this makes him a foolish rather than disrespectful or undignified.
@@JP-su8bp Man is the most destructive creature on the planet and we all contribute to its destruction everyday. Peace be with you! This world is not our home. John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
I think we would have heard a very different exchange if Matt or another more probing and vigorous host had dealt with him. This was extremely soft ball.
@@digbycrankshaft7572 Man is the most destructive creature on the planet and we all contribute to its destruction everyday. Peace be with you! This world is not our home. John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
This guy makes me think of Johnny Carson's skit of Ronald Reagan on Family Feud. Host: "Things found on a farm." Johnny playing Reagan: "Well...." Host: "Is there a well?!"
Wow, I rarely comment but had to on this one as its unique in my opinion. So often Christian callers are just embarrassing…I really enjoyed this discussion with Eugene, you guys were gentle and kind with him but rattled him too. I hope he truly considers this and really does some deep thinking. Nicely done guys.
I think this was a great conversation. Nobody was yelling or swearing at anybody, and common ground was found. Of course, Eugene had to save face at the end, but the "I never thought of that" comment tells me that our hosts got him to think and created some cognitive dissonance. This is a good thing!
Well, shock of shocks, he's a decent person after all, I am surprised, pleasantly surprised, if he is actually telling the truth and I really think he is, he actually listened and his answers took me by surprise.
I would not conclude "decent" after such a softball interaction. We may well have heard a very different reaction if Matt or another more probing host had dealt with him.
Why are these people not challenged to FIRST convince the rest of the world's religious people to accept their version of the gods? Their personal interpretation of whatever version of the religion they claim to espouse and speak for contains NOTHING worth debating about, any more than we would debate the particulars of the Greek or Egyptian gods. Wouldn't their time be more productively spent rescuing the souls of believers who worship the wrong gods, before worrying about what an atheist believes? Let's be clear: they argue with the atheist to reassure THEMSELVES, because the atheist presents REAL challenges to the entire god concept - impossibilities and glaring contradictions they'd never considered until pointed out by the atheist, and that they then scramble to rationalize away... hence the religious apologist. Put another way, they don't like it being pointed out that their invisible evidence-free gods are no more real than all the other gods they know full well never existed, and for exactly the same reasons. In the face of other religions, they can just claim religious superiority, in the certainty that theirs are the REAL gods. Seeing the emptiness and meaningless of the god concept itself laid bare...that their gods really ARE no more believable than any others, their arguments are posed to the atheist in order to reassure and convince themselves.
@ObservantHistorian Every religion claim's that theirs is the only true God! What evidence does the good Pastor have that his religion is not just other false religion? Why is his "God" real and all the others are not? When he understands why he dismisses ALL the other possible "Gods", only then will he understand why we atheists dismiss his. "Religion poisons everything" - Christopher Hitchens
He sure had to huff and puff and think a bit before he said no he wouldn't disown them. Isn't that a kind of immediate reply type of question for a normal person?
"Let me bring you to god. Then you should listen to me and believe everything I say without question. Then you should do what ever I say, live your life the way I tell you to do, without question. Then you should hate who I hate and love only who I say you can love, without question. Then you must give me money."
He might be well spoken and didn't raise his voice, but pastor Eugene here said a number of truly terrifying things. Saying that you can correctly tell if someone is aligned to the darkness by consulting spirits is the sort of thing that serial killers say; that God told them to do it.
If I got a quid for each time, i said "oh FFS!! ", during this diatribe of utter arsewater, I could buy next door's house!! And it's a BIG house!! What an utterly deluded muppet!! Lol.
@dancedecker "God exists outside of time and space". .....…so NEVER and NOWHERE.... OK, I'll go with that. Outside of time and space - a way of saying "imaginary". Has anybody else got to the point where they think people who believe in a God are just a bit stupid?
Well this guy is far more open than many I have heard on these calls & props to him for that. Him being stumped by that question shows the gears in his mind turning.
Really? He answered nothing, gave assumptions and assertions based on assumptions and failed to see or acknowledge his own mistakes and double standards.
@@spicyhummus6266 How? I had a script, he clearly wasn't used to being questioned, he ignored comparisons using his own logic and just asserted and assumed.
Preacher man, preacher man, does whatever Jesus can, mixed up bullshit, sounds like lies, just agree, and close your eyes. Look out here comes the preacher man (Spider-Man theme song)
I can prove that there’s ghosts. There was a documentary back in the 1980s that showed actual proof of ghosts. The name of the documentary was Ghostbusters 😂😂😂
Talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking burning bushes-what makes all of this more accurate than prophets flying off into heaven on winged horses? How then is the BuyBull more accurate or less ridiculous than the Koran? Or any other fairy tale? "What a fool believes, he sees."-Doobie Brothers
I have to say, you two have a good bedside manner. Calm, soothing tones, polite yet firm and not condescending or dismissive. Even when it would be quite undestandable. I think this is the first Talk Heathen I've watched. I'll have to stick around and watch more and see how you go with less sincere or more obnoxious callers and see how you handle those also. The lake of fire question mighta been a step too far though. Heh.
Oh my, the pastor with the gift of discernment could be a time traveler from the Salem Witch Trial era. Horrifying he “just LOOKS at some one and TESTS the spirits inside them?
The caller claims: “I have a god-given ability to sense the evil intent of men.” Seems like a big claim, but actually this sentiment is echoed by every father of every 15 year old daughter in the world.
If I saw a child drowning at the beach, I would pray to God. "Please God, save the child !" Then wait to see what happens. I have faith that he would raise up that poor child.
“Do either of you atheists believe in…. THE HOLY SPIRIT???”
This dude is a cartoon character.
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The spirit as in alcohol? I understand that drugs play a role on many religious groups. So to turn water to wine to make drunk people more drunk at a party like Jesus should have done helps surely.
@@samanthajayewardene4523 Jesus is the King of Glory! We need thee, Lord! Thank you for your Grace and Mercy.
@@samanthajayewardene4523 Faith connects us with the creator of the universe. Only by Grace through faith does this miracle take place. No religion needed.
@@paulgemme6056 Do you hate your mother, father, brother, sister and wife? If not then you cant be a follower of Jesus says Luke 14,26. But this is in breach of the commandments to honor father and mother. Furthermore who hates has committed murder according to John 3,15. So are you a murderer following Jesus?
Indoctrination is a hell of a drug
He took the pill, for that I pity him.
But as a pastor he also hands out the pills, for that I despise him.
& a multi trillion $ industry.
@@paulgemme6056 you, you personally, get all your morality and ethics from outside the Bible. And I can prove it. You get your morality and ethics from the exact same place atheists do. You personally, do not live exactly as the Bible commands you to. And that's a good thing because the Bible is an evil book that commands you to commit evil acts. The fact that you don't commit those evil acts (because if you did you'd be in prison, unable to post on TH-cam) means you're a far far more moral and ethical person than the Bible wants you to be, because you get your entire moral code from outside the Bible. And I can prove it.
It's the practice of secular humanism. Essentially, the idea that morality is secular and objective. You make just one single subjective concession, the idea that helping as many humans as much as possible is a good thing, but then everything else other than that is objectively moral, objectively working towards that goal, and it all stems and grows from that original goal, that original maxim that it's a good thing to help people.
People who only act good and charitable because they're coerced into it by the threat of eternal torture, aren't good people.
Honestly, most Christians are better, more moral and ethical people than the bible commands them to be. Christians already get their code of morality from outside the bible or any other religious sources, just like atheists do. But they don't seem to realise that, because they never bother to actually read the bible and find out about the awful stuff it tells people to do.
Because Jesus was a bigot. Most Christians are far more moral and ethical people than jesus ever was, they're better people than him. The proof is the Bible itself. They're better people than the Bible literally commands them to be. Because Christians get their code of morality from outside the bible, just like atheists do. I don't think anyone actually needs the bible in their life. Most Christians are already better people than the bible wants them to be, so why need it at all? They already pick and choose which parts of the bible to follow, they don't follow everything it tells them to do, which proves they already get their morality from outside the bible anyway, because they just inherently know that things like slavery and murder and physically punishing young girls for being rape victims are evil and wrong, even though the Bible says it's OK.
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Because jesus explicitly says in the bible in Matthew 5:17 _EVERY_ _SINGLE_ _LAW_ _AND_ _RULE_ in the Old Testament still applies and will continue to apply until the end of time. In John 7:16-19 he berates people for disobeying the old testament, and in Luke 15:17 he says it's easier for the universe to fall apart than for one single letter of the law to.
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So picking and choosing which parts you wanna follow is literally disobeying a direct command from jesus. You either follow literally every single law in the bible unwaveringly, or you're not actually a Christian, and that's according to Jesus himself quoted word for word in the bible.
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And so if you already aren't getting your morality from the bible at all, why even need it in the first place? Most Christians in the world are absolutely 100% more moral people than the Bible asks them to be, they are already far better people than the Bible thinks they should be. They're surely against slavery, against genocide, against murder, against rape and especially the rape of children, against women and children having to obey the man that owns them (father or husband) and if they don't obey everything their owner says, the owners are allowed to kill the women and children to death for disobeying, and still are allowed into heaven because it "doesn't count" as murder under those circumstances. That's what the Bible tells people to do, follow those objectively evil commandments, like murder and slavery and rape being OK. The vast majority of Christians are against all of those things. They are already good people, so why should they need to read a book where anything that agrees with what they already think, they keep, and anything that disagrees with what they already think, they ignore? They pick and choose from the bible because it's obvious which parts of it are objectively evil, and so if the Bible never says these things are evil, then how does anyone know that they are evil at all? Because morality comes from outside the Bible. Morality is secular and objective, and it's the same morality atheists follow, and the vast majority of all religious people follow. It doesn't come from any holy book. Because if it did, then they wouldn't ignore half of the rules in their holy books.
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By picking and choosing which parts to follow, they're proving that your morality comes from outside the Bible, because otherwise they wouldn't know which parts are good and which are not, if their morality didn't come from outside of the bible, then they wouldn't know which parts are so bad that you have to ignore them to be a good person. Nobody had to ever tell them that murder and slavery is bad, they just know it. Because humans are inherently moral and morality is secular. The minority of people who aren't like that don't represent the other 99% of humans. Humans are naturally altruistic and charitable. It's how the human race survived several near extinction events. Because people worked together in communities and tribes, meanwhile all the individualistic and selfish people died off in ice ages or catastrophic volcano eruptions or any other of the near extinction events. The human race was down to just a few thousand people, a few thousand survivors, and everyone alive today is descended from that small group who worked together to survive, and it's why humans are naturally altruistic and charitable and they help their fellow man because they know it's the objectively moral thing to do.
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So why even need the Bible at all, then? If your morality already comes from outside the bible, which is why you don't own people as property, or murder your wife and child for disobeying you, or go around raping children. You know those are bad ideas, without anybody ever needing to tell you that. The Bible never had to tell you murder is bad and immoral for you to understand that. That belief of yours already existed before you read the bible. Someone who's morality hypothetically _DOES_ come from the bible would need to be told by the Bible that murder is bad, and they wouldn't have known that otherwise.
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The vast majority of Christians are far more moral ethical people than the Bible commands them to be. Very very few Christians follow the Bible word for word even though Jesus literally commanded them to do and said that anyone who doesn't follow every law both big and small, wouldn't get into heaven.
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So the bible is just an unnecessary extra step. Your morality is already there, you don't need to spend time double checking it, by using the bible, and then ignoring any time the Bible doesn't agree with you anyway. The Bible is not going to change your mind on things like slavery and child rape, you're going to not follow those parts of the bible anyway, so it's just a waste of your time reading through it all like that. Christian's morality is not based on the Bible, it never was, it comes from outside of it. So why waste time going through it all like that if it is not going to change your morality anyway? No, in fact, the bible has to adjust to _YOU_ and _YOUR_ morality, by the fact you throw out the bits that don't agree with you. That's how the vast majority of Christians treat the bible. It's why in countries like here in the UK, there's plenty of gay priests, and gay church goers, because it's accepted. They threw out the evil command that being gay is an abomination, because their morality come from outside the bible and they know that being homophobic is wrong without anyone ever needing to teach them that. No holy book ever told them homophobia is wrong, they just know it.
Most Christians are good people, or at least much better than what the bible wants them to be. Not because anyone ever had to tell them how to be a good person. No, they're good person people because they were born that way, and 99% of humans are the same way, naturally moral and ethical and kind and altruistic and charitable.
@@landsgevaer
When you are right, you are god damned right!
@@paulgemme6056 Sounds like you BS God sees BS Satan's right as being higher than ours? Evolution has nothing to do with weather your God is true. (This Satan sound almost as dumb as your God?)
I really like how politely, methodically, calmly, and respectfully they engage with him. It just feels like so many "conversations" at this point are just people shouting at each other, putting each down and condescending to one another and in the process accomplishing absolutely nothing.
I am blown away by their patience sometimes.
I am so sick of these people whose minds are stuck in bronze age mythologies.
The religious have set our species back, potentially, hundreds of years because of their ridiculous beliefs. Really sad! I hate religions so much!
Indeed, I struggle to understand how people have the position of believing mythology AND make life decisions and laws and discrimination to others completely because of that belief
More like stuck in the outhouse.
Yeah, it is frustrating, but Atheists must bear with it and forgive (genuine) Christians for they do not know what they believe... most Christians were indoctrinated and sold the nonsense since childhood for generations.
The "light" at the end of the tunnel is Religion overall is on its way out, church attendance continues to decline, and more Christians are leaving Religion for various reasons - LGBQT bigotry, increasingly political, sexual abuse, scammers etc...
The facts and trend, unlike Religion, are not lying.
More and more people leaving Religion as they discover they can and are having a moral and spiritual life without Religion and the god beliefs.
I suspect however Religion will become increasingly desperate to try and remain relevant before it inevitably dies.
i.e. shove Bibles in public schools, legislate Christian laws, "Christian nationalism", more scummy apologists and proselytizing etc..
Problem is that these brain trusts vote.
This is the kind of guy that would burn a witch.
Yup. Pure evil presenting itself as the only good.
@@ChrisM-zm4li I don't think he's evil. just highly confused and brainwashed.
@@terrycraig6386if he thought his god wanted him to do it theres nothing he wouldn't do.
10:34 the holy spirit allows him to understand the word of god....yet all the different denominations can't agree what the word of god says. Hahahaha
@@terrycraig6386 evil. no doubt.
"Pastor eugene, what would you like to have for dinner tonight?"
Pastor Eugene: "Well, I am not hungry now, but assuming my human body continues its metabolic functions and I will expend enough energy to require sustenance in the latter portion of the day, I would elect then to have food. What food that may be is not yet a decided quantity or quality and I suppose I will sit in my study, be graciously blessed with the holy spirit and only then I would be able to sort through my hand written notes of restaurants, numbers and menu items to choose from"
I love listening to him talk it's like talking to a 153 year old man.
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But are you sure he believes in food?
@WooliteMammoth
Jesus Christ is the Living Word. Jesus Christ is the Bread of Life. Atheists offer no hope. This world offers no hope. Jesus Christ is our only Hope. Our Living Hope. Study and learn. The truth will set you free. Faith comes from hearing the Word. Repent (change your mind) and be saved today. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
The Eternal Word (John 1:1 - 5)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness and the darkness did not comprehend it.
@@paulgemme6056 get help
@@paulgemme6056do you think quoting Christian scripture at commenter on an Atheist and skeptic TH-cam channel is going to be effective at anything?
An example of the damage a person can suffer if their brain is washed for too long and ironed too hot.
Isn't it funny how brainwashing doesn't make thought clearer or cleaner.
He isn't just a washed, he is also a washer.
@ScienceNow- his brain is like when you're washing your white clothes in the laundry and accidentally leave a red sock in there, turning everything pink and ruining it all forever
@@DarrinKemp-lr1cz I consider it Braindirtied
And then starched and pressed!
If you simply jump through the hoops he's set up for you, you can avoid all the undesirable scenarios that he proposes will happen to you.
It's so insane how these people deny the fact that they are a member of A cult among many many cults.
A large group of people in Salem "could tell" that some people had been captured by "the adversary." They drowned some of them and burned others. People who claim to "know" are very dangerous.
What they should also point out is the Raped woman remains raped. The Molested child remains molested. The Murdered person remains dead. Why should the criminal who caused those things get forgiven and washed clean while the victim gets ignored. How is that moral at all.
The hesitation when he was asked if he would disown his kid over religious differences was ridiculous, the silence was deafening
The bible is God's/Jesus Christ's love letter to you, to let you know that your sins are covered (washed away) by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ). Christ Jesus paid for our forgiveness/pardon, all we need to do is believe (have Faith), acknowledge our sinful condition, our need for his Grace and mercy and accept the gift of God - eternal life - to know him. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Don't be deceived, ask God to reveal truth to you.
2 Corinthians 4:4
whose minds the god (little g - the devil) of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
@@paulgemme6056 yeah, not really the best comment to reply to with just preaching 😬 nobody reading allat
@@rtart.e5458 What is the works of God?
Read your bible, it really has the answers.
John 6:28,29
Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
@@paulgemme6056 The definition of god is about the same as the definition of nothing
nothing is all powerful
nothing in outside of space and time
nothing is all knowing
nothing is X where x is a given attribute of god that i've heard about, so i think the truth has been revealed, and it's nothing.
you need to re watch this part @21:21
@@robgilmour3147 Yeah, like life just showed up one day from nothing. I don't think so. Man is so dumb thinking that everything came about from nothing. It's absurd!
Knock-knock. Who’s there? It’s Jesus. Let me in. Why should I let you in? I have to save you. Save me from what? From what I’ll do to you if you don’t let me in. (Sounds like the old protection racket.)
That’s great Jesus but if I let you in who is going to save me from your followers?
@@martinvasquez6258 We can tell what is in a man's heart by the words that come out of his mouth.
Matthew 12:34
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. -Jesus Christ.
It's the arrogance of certainty that he and others project towards nonbelievers, despite any evidence to the contrary.
Yup. "I'm right because my book says so and my book is right because it says so and you're wrong because I say so and so does my book which is true so you must clearly be wrong because if you were right then I'd be wrong and I can't be wrong because I have a book that is right and " and on and on and on..
Such vile arrogance
@@tehspamgozehere Jesus is the King of Glory! We need thee, Lord! Thank you for your Grace and Mercy.
@@paulgemme6056 Baaa. DO try for an original thought. Posting stuff like this just demonstrates a lack thereof.
@@tehspamgozehere Atheists, this world and the devil (Satan) offer no hope for man's soul/spirit. God/Jesus Christ offers the free gift of knowing him. By Grace through faith, we are saved it is not of ourselves lest any man should boast. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners and Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. Evil/sin runs rampant and is getting worse every day. look around, look within. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Pastor Eugene got lucky with 5he softest softballs that were presented to him. I don't think Matt or Aron would have been so kind ! 🤪
Matt would have ripped him a new gospel 😂
@@petyrkowalski9887 Faith connects us with the creator of the universe. Only by Grace through faith does this miracle take place. No religion needed.
Wow. When Eugene was asked if faith or evidence was better and he replied he'd never thought of that before, my heart grew three sizes. Excellent job, gentlemen!!
Host: how did you determine that the Bible was a reliable tool?
Caller: feeling something feeling
Host: how did you determine that feeling was the Holy Spirit?
Caller: bullshit this, bullshit that.
Seriously! The caller thinks people are suggesting that different shades of red are what people are referencing when they say there are contradictions in the bible. How dishonest.
Kudos to the pastor who put the honest work to listen, answer and, most important, THINK about the topics discussed. It's all about the interaction and the engagement.
Or most likely not. Callers like this make a living pretending to listen and then turning around to preach the same bullshit to whoever listens.
@@JayMaverickexactly. It's the mere pretence of reasonableness. Totally mindless.
@@JayMaverick the point of any debate or discussion like this isn't to change the mind of the person you're arguing with. That's impossible. You'll never change their mind. Because when human beings are presented with arguments and evidence that debunks their beliefs, they actually become MORE entrenched in their beliefs and believe them even more. It's just a weird quirk of how human brains work. Partly because people are too embarrassed and ashamed to ever publicly admit that they were wrong. If their beliefs are public, they'll never possibly be changed or reversed.
No, the point of discussions and debates like this is to change the minds of the people listening to or watching the debate. The silent observers. The audience, the crowd. They simply watch. They never profess their beliefs to the thousands of people watching. And therefore their minds are extremely changeable. They can have their beliefs completely reversed and because they never told anyone what those beliefs were, they don't have the human psychological stubbornness that makes them even more entrenched in their false beliefs, they can change their minds completely and nobody will ever know.
So you'll never change the mind of the person you're debating with. But you _CAN_ change the minds of the thousands of people who are watching the debate. It's an extremely effective way to do so.
you were fooled by the illusion of thinking. 33 years of "bible study", calling into an atheist talk show to preach, and unsure if he'd disown his own children for being non-believers. it's over for this guy.
Are you joking? I don’t think he answered more than one question. He went off on tangents that were completely irrelevant.
These people worship a book not a god.
Spot on. Or mostly worship their interpretation of it. & BOY! some of those interp's are really weird.
@ScienceNow- logos does mean a lot of things but not word. This mistranslation started with people who did not understand Greek philosophy which the author used.
@ScienceNow- logos does mean a lot of things but not word. This mistranslation started with people who did not understand Greek philosophy which the author used.
@ScienceNow- logos does mean a lot of things but not word. This mistranslation started with people who did not understand Greek philosophy which the author used.
@ScienceNow- logos does mean a lot of things but not word. This mistranslation started with people who did not understand Greek philosophy which the author used.
“How come you don’t believe in god? Have you tried believing in god?”- Christians
Its like if we said « how come you dont believe in the flying spaghetti monster? Have you tried to? »
@@petyrkowalski9887 The bible is God's/Jesus Christ's love letter to you, to let you know that your sins are covered (washed away) by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ). Christ Jesus paid for our forgiveness/pardon, all we need to do is believe (have Faith), acknowledge our sinful condition, our need for his Grace and mercy and accept the gift of God - eternal life - to know him. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Don't be deceived, ask God to reveal truth to you.
2 Corinthians 4:4
whose minds the god (little g - the devil) of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
@@petyrkowalski9887 Faith connects us with the creator of the universe. Only by Grace through faith does this miracle take place. No religion needed.
How is that different?
@@jayjasespud If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. That's the difference. One must first admit their sinful condition. Then God/Jesus Christ can forgive them. When one rejects the free gift of God, they are sending themself to hell because of unbelief.
So many hoops this pastor presented, logic shattered it immensly
Religions are a business.....pastors are businessmen.....money is the bottom line.
23:48 that long pause is something I wouldn’t wanna hear if someone asked my family that. That should’ve been an immediate no.
Thank you I thought I was the only one that thought that, I winced at the pause
@@Ender-fr3ql Faith connects us with the creator of the universe. Only by Grace through faith does this miracle take place. No religion needed.
Cognitive dissonance can take a sec to resolve. I think he probably took a big step.
@@paulgemme6056 why ?
@@alphaalvey5029 Because we are all born sinners, we inherit a sinful condition from Adam. By God's Grace and Mercy, we can be regenerated. Our spirit made alive. Our sins forgiven and we receive the free gift of God - eternal life - to know him (Spirit to spirit). Love him because he first loved us by sending Christ Jesus to die for our pardon/freedom from sin. No religion needed Just faith (believing), faith plus nothing.
“You don’t get it! It’s a pill to give worms to ex-girlfriends!”
~~ Kids in the Hall
_"Hello? Police? I'd like to report a naked woman at the gas station. _*_*nods*_*_ In about 10 minutes. Oh, and can I get a large pizza? You're right, I'll call direct."_
DOGS KNOW IT!!!
Brain candy is brilliant thank you for this little pick-me-up, I really needed it :)
Man you guys are nicer than me. Every time Eugene made an assertion like "the holy spirit enters me," I would've just said "no you didn't." You guys are really patient.
I would have been making smartass comments to him.
Religion makes people hesitate before they answer, "would you disown your children if they didn't believe in your god?"
Insane right? I hate how religion makes people second guess their own healthy morality
INSANE lol
@@RinZ3993 Jesus is the King of Glory! We need thee, Lord! Thank you for your Grace and Mercy.
@@paulgemme6056 You don't have to call me lord.. but whatever
@@RinZ3993 Man is the most destructive creature on the planet and we all contribute to its destruction everyday.
Peace be with you! This world is not our home.
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
how many attempts does it take to get an apologist to directly answer a simple question?
"The Power of Discernment"
Well isn't that convenient?
That’s really weird, because I Discerned that he doesn’t have Discernment. How did he get fooled into thinking he has the power of Disxernment?
Well isn't that special.
Could it be...
@@BaronVonQuiplySATAN?
Self delusion is one of the most potent abilities of a great many humans
The good Pastor is willing to sacrifice his humanity on the altar of a book that he can't prove!
Apologists in a nutshell: "God is incomprehensible, now listen very carefully while I tell you all about him."
When someone says "as a Christian" I say "sorry for your affliction."
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wpyes. The problem is that he is a good pastor and therefore a terrible human being.
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp nice!
@seanmcghee
Yes, that's why Jesus says the gate to heaven is narrow and few will find it. Jesus Christ the gate, the way, the truth and the life. There is no other way. Delusion comes from the enemy of our souls. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. He is deceiving himself. The enemy has caused his thinking to be diluted. All have sinned and are in need of God's Grace and Mercy. No religion needed. Just faith (believing), faith plus nothing.
@@paulgemme6056 Faith is just believing things without evidence, Paul. That's why it's not knowledge my friend.
And it can NEVER be proven what Jesus actually ever said.
What you mean is: my old book says that Jesus said the gate to heaven is narrow and few will find it.
Delusion comes from believing in nonsense in old fictional books. That were written by unknown authors
In case you missed it, the way this guy gauges the reliability of the Bible is by using the Bible to recognize adversaries.
In other words, anyone who denies the accuracy of his Bible is an adversary, proving him right. Nothing like theist self deception.
I want some of that tea this callers wife gives to him just before he starts hearing voices and feeling groovy...🍄🍄🍄
Hahahahahahahahaha right? Turns out he never leaves the study and it's actually a set inside a CIA LSD lab. His wife is an agent.
@@VildhjartaFanGurl Yes, that's why Jesus says the gate to heaven is narrow and few will find it. Jesus Christ the gate, the way, the truth and the life. There is no other way. Delusion comes from the enemy of our souls. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. He is deceiving himself. The enemy has caused his thinking to be diluted. All have sinned and are in need of God's Grace and Mercy. No religion needed. Just faith (believing), faith plus nothing.
@paulgemme6056 this reads like a cult of cthulu member. Just replace the name Jesus with Yog Sothoth. Yog Sothoth is both the gate and key. The opener of the way and the path itself.
@@VildhjartaFanGurl Jesus Christ says he is the only way. The ones who refuse to believe him are calling Jesus Christ a liar.
@paulgemme6056 oh. Well, if he said it, it must be true.
Really? So when he tosses me in Hell, Jesus's door is still open? Or am I totally screwed and going to suffer forever just because I didn't believe an illogical and mistake filled story? What love!!!
I have watched lots of these types of podcasts and I think this is one of the better ones. I loved the way the discussion was so gentle and civilised %
This sounds like an honest, decent, sincere man. He is just wrong.
Sincere sure, honest absolutely not. He proves he's not willing to be honest many many times in this call.
@@bodricthered Man is the most destructive creature on the planet and we all contribute to its destruction everyday.
Peace be with you! This world is not our home.
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
The bible historically accurate? And piss is wine!
Maybe they "would" like to turn piss into wine. 😅😅😅
@@EllasPOSEiDONIf it was in the Bible then...That's where the problem lies
Perhaps Jesus was a diabetic... 😏
But guys he's selling blind faith or eternal torture, why aren't you buying?
Tale a shot everytime Eugene begins a statement (wont call it an answer) with "...WELL..."
Me (5 mins in): dammit (hic) damyou pat(hic)jackson you shon of a beech… hic 🥴
God, I hate those creeping Americanisms such as saying "literally" all the time or starting every sentence with "so....."
@@sandersson2813 Man is the most destructive creature on the planet and we all contribute to its destruction everyday.
Peace be with you! This world is not our home.
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
This is such an inspiring show, you guys are so calm, collected, and respectful, but without compromising your demands for evidence.
It is astonishing that he thinks our objections are wether fabric is red or purple, so ridiculous
Long as those fabrics are not mixed eh
It’s a tactic to enable him to generalize all contradictions as equally trivial.
@@christophermartin7044 I agree, it's ridiculous
@@christophermartin7044 Man is the most destructive creature on the planet and we all contribute to its destruction everyday.
Peace be with you! This world is not our home.
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Maybe it's the tea his wife brings him contains some "holy spirit" to make him feel so good ?
A little mushroom tea will definitely make you feel like you are connected to a higher power!
My exact reaction! I wonder if she walked through the light to bring it to him.
@@crystalw8050 Man is the most destructive creature on the planet and we all contribute to its destruction everyday.
Peace be with you! This world is not our home.
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
“I have a spiritual power of discernment to tell who has been taken by the adversary, by Satan.”
Translation: there are people who say and do things I don’t like.
Yeah, I can imagine his ancestors in Salem pointing at someone yelling "she's a witch!"
"Dark Arts"? Is that you, Snape?
When he went silent, after being asked if faith is still required when there's evidence - and then thoughtfully said, "I never thought of it that way..." it became apparent that reaching him is not without hope...
I find it so interesting that people can believe that the bible is historical accurate. When not only are there 2 different creation stories right after each other but both are easily proven to be wrong.
I think you rattled his foundations a little, whether they'll collapse, or he'll be able to shore them up, only time will tell.
The shackles of indoctrination will never be broken with that guy.
He has mountains of bs to shore them up. Those foundations will never be sound or solid and be in a constant state of collapse but he'll just keep bluffing mindlessly.
That guy truly is a pastor: he has the voice and the accent. .
And spews the same empty, worthless, self-righteous, sanctimonious bullshit.
@@digbycrankshaft7572 Now, I didn't say that about him. He probably has the properly set, closed-mouth smile that frightens children into Salvation.
He sounds like the pastor in the Simpsons .
Exactly!
He sounds like he’s a really fun dad. I bet it’s a hoot living at his house.
He must be real fun at parties
I would prank him incessantly with ghosts goblins and witches
Thiis caller is so creepy. So self righteous to himself, and probably forcefully to his poor wife.What one says in public can be upside down different in private. To believe in a devil, and to hear a devil is to run into very bad situations. Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love
To that pastor and all Christians etc:
“The Bible is evidence that Bible exists. Its not evidence for a god, it is a claim. You dont know what evidence is, and that’s sad.”
Yes, that's why Jesus says the gate to heaven is narrow and few will find it. Jesus Christ the gate, the way, the truth and the life. There is no other way. Delusion comes from the enemy of our souls. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. He is deceiving himself. The enemy has caused his thinking to be diluted. All have sinned and are in need of God's Grace and Mercy. No religion needed. Just faith (believing), faith plus nothing.
@@paulgemme6056 sorry i don’t believe in this god, jesus, sin, heaven, hell, satan etc
Adam and Eve were deceived by the evil one and that caused all mankind to be sinful. Inherited from Adam. We do not have to teach a child how lie/cheat/steal/sin. It is in the DNA. We have to teach them how not to do those things because they are wrong/sinful. The proof is in the taste of the pudding. Sin/evil runs rampant, look around, take your head out of the sand. Do some studying of God's word (the bible). You will learn a lot and if you really want to know the truth, the truth will be revealed to you by the power of the Holy Spirit. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
Kudos to Pastor Eugene for having a dignified and generally respectful conversation.
Hope he discovers Freedom From Religion Foundation. I hear they detoxify peoples brains that have been subjected to religious indoctrination. So yes, miracles do happen, just not in the nonsensical bible book of fibbery and gibberish.
Did he?
He answered nothing, made assumptions and assertions failed to acknowledge his own double standards and preached.
@@jameswright...
Is there a creation myth that is anything other than a collection of assertions and assumptions? Eugene is convinced that a particularly messy creation myth is factual, so it's no surprise that when, confronted with reason, he responded by simply restating his beliefs. In my opinion, this makes him a foolish rather than disrespectful or undignified.
@@JP-su8bp Man is the most destructive creature on the planet and we all contribute to its destruction everyday.
Peace be with you! This world is not our home.
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Eugene was refreshingly honest, at least. I like Eugene...
I think we would have heard a very different exchange if Matt or another more probing and vigorous host had dealt with him. This was extremely soft ball.
@@digbycrankshaft7572 Man is the most destructive creature on the planet and we all contribute to its destruction everyday.
Peace be with you! This world is not our home.
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
'Careful with that axe, Eugene..'
Oooh, oooh, oooh - I know that one!
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1:25: Jamie's " facepalm " moment is hilarious.haha😅
This guy makes me think of Johnny Carson's skit of Ronald Reagan on Family Feud.
Host: "Things found on a farm."
Johnny playing Reagan: "Well...."
Host: "Is there a well?!"
Wow, I rarely comment but had to on this one as its unique in my opinion. So often Christian callers are just embarrassing…I really enjoyed this discussion with Eugene, you guys were gentle and kind with him but rattled him too. I hope he truly considers this and really does some deep thinking. Nicely done guys.
This man sounds like he's about to fall asleep at any time.
As a woman I heard all I needed to with "my wife brings tea"😮
That's what all good Christian wives do. Serve their husbands, have babies, and be relegated to the background.
Do you have a mans permission to be online? 😂just kidding
@@Mouth-of-Spaghetti shhh don't tell anyone ,🤭
Heinrich Schliemann discovered the ancient city of Troy using information from the Iliad. Does this mean that all information in the Iliad is true?
I use it as an arguement for a divine dispute between Hera, Athena and Aphrodite and by proxy - for the existence of them and other greek gods.
Oh man! This is like listening to my dad at his most pompous.
10k kids die daily of starvation. Where is god?
It's over 20k. But exactly.
Just hearing his voice already indicates his self assurance. He won't accept any arguments.
I think this was a great conversation. Nobody was yelling or swearing at anybody, and common ground was found. Of course, Eugene had to save face at the end, but the "I never thought of that" comment tells me that our hosts got him to think and created some cognitive dissonance. This is a good thing!
You eat food and I eat food, we put our shoes on, we comb our hair 😂
One of the best calls I've heard in awhile.
Well, shock of shocks, he's a decent person after all, I am surprised, pleasantly surprised, if he is actually telling the truth and I really think he is, he actually listened and his answers took me by surprise.
I would not conclude "decent" after such a softball interaction. We may well have heard a very different reaction if Matt or another more probing host had dealt with him.
@@digbycrankshaft7572 I was refering to his admission that he wouldn't throw his child out for being atheist, that's pretty decent for a theist.
Why are these people not challenged to FIRST convince the rest of the world's religious people to accept their version of the gods? Their personal interpretation of whatever version of the religion they claim to espouse and speak for contains NOTHING worth debating about, any more than we would debate the particulars of the Greek or Egyptian gods. Wouldn't their time be more productively spent rescuing the souls of believers who worship the wrong gods, before worrying about what an atheist believes?
Let's be clear: they argue with the atheist to reassure THEMSELVES, because the atheist presents REAL challenges to the entire god concept - impossibilities and glaring contradictions they'd never considered until pointed out by the atheist, and that they then scramble to rationalize away... hence the religious apologist.
Put another way, they don't like it being pointed out that their invisible evidence-free gods are no more real than all the other gods they know full well never existed, and for exactly the same reasons.
In the face of other religions, they can just claim religious superiority, in the certainty that theirs are the REAL gods. Seeing the emptiness and meaningless of the god concept itself laid bare...that their gods really ARE no more believable than any others, their arguments are posed to the atheist in order to reassure and convince themselves.
@ObservantHistorian
Every religion claim's that theirs is the only true God!
What evidence does the good Pastor have that his religion is not just other false religion?
Why is his "God" real and all the others are not?
When he understands why he dismisses ALL the other possible "Gods", only then will he understand why we atheists dismiss his.
"Religion poisons everything" - Christopher Hitchens
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp I agree with you. I think you've misread my comments.
@@ObservantHistorian Ooops! Sorry my friend.
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp No worries, we all end up making the same mistake! I certainly have!
Can't get over how much the caller sounds like Major Dad.
The caller had a FEELING, alotta people saw they TRUTH based on a FEELING.
Wild that a PASTOR said it’s blasphemous to speak for and represent God
As if he didn’t model his whole life around doing that! 😂
Love the calm conversations!
They should've asked him if he would let a pastor to babysit his daughters.
He sure had to huff and puff and think a bit before he said no he wouldn't disown them. Isn't that a kind of immediate reply type of question for a normal person?
But he has to square it with God first, obvs
That pause told me everything I need to know about his answer about disowning his kids
The OG duo. Loved these two as a team.
"Well, I've never thought about it like that"...
This is the first domino
That was a little ray of sunshine. I think his call in gave him some real pause to think.
I gave him a 10 on Mental Gymnastics. ( A 7 from the Russian Judge).
"Let me bring you to god. Then you should listen to me and believe everything I say without question. Then you should do what ever I say, live your life the way I tell you to do, without question. Then you should hate who I hate and love only who I say you can love, without question. Then you must give me money."
He might be well spoken and didn't raise his voice, but pastor Eugene here said a number of truly terrifying things. Saying that you can correctly tell if someone is aligned to the darkness by consulting spirits is the sort of thing that serial killers say; that God told them to do it.
This minister is sincere. He was taught the same as I was, but when I grew up I realized that what I was taught is very unlikely true.
If I got a quid for each time, i said "oh FFS!! ", during this diatribe of utter arsewater, I could buy next door's house!!
And it's a BIG house!!
What an utterly deluded muppet!!
Lol.
@dancedecker
"God exists outside of time and space". .....…so NEVER and NOWHERE.... OK, I'll go with that.
Outside of time and space - a way of saying "imaginary".
Has anybody else got to the point where they think people who believe in a God are just a bit stupid?
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp Yes, good point. I'll go with that too.
And I get there every day, disproving their fairy stories. Lol.
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wpI got to that point decades ago.
Well this guy is far more open than many I have heard on these calls & props to him for that. Him being stumped by that question shows the gears in his mind turning.
Really?
He answered nothing, gave assumptions and assertions based on assumptions and failed to see or acknowledge his own mistakes and double standards.
@@jameswright... I also agree with you with what you said, I think he was more open then most though.
@@spicyhummus6266
How?
I had a script, he clearly wasn't used to being questioned, he ignored comparisons using his own logic and just asserted and assumed.
“I felt the Holy Spirit withdraw from me.”
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"prayer" when you're too lazy to actually try to fix things
I feel uncomfortable with all the discussions about the gentleman's tool and he being entered by some holy spirit....
Long as they agree a safe word...
Preacher man, preacher man, does whatever Jesus can, mixed up bullshit, sounds like lies, just agree, and close your eyes. Look out here comes the preacher man (Spider-Man theme song)
I can prove that there’s ghosts. There was a documentary back in the 1980s that showed actual proof of ghosts. The name of the documentary was Ghostbusters
😂😂😂
This dude is Santa Claus, he can tell if people are good or bad. LOL
Talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking burning bushes-what makes all of this more accurate than prophets flying off into heaven on winged horses? How then is the BuyBull more accurate or less ridiculous than the Koran? Or any other fairy tale?
"What a fool believes, he sees."-Doobie Brothers
all hail the flying spaghetti monster and his noodle appendage!
I have to say, you two have a good bedside manner. Calm, soothing tones, polite yet firm and not condescending or dismissive. Even when it would be quite undestandable. I think this is the first Talk Heathen I've watched. I'll have to stick around and watch more and see how you go with less sincere or more obnoxious callers and see how you handle those also.
The lake of fire question mighta been a step too far though. Heh.
Oh my, the pastor with the gift of discernment could be a time traveler from the Salem Witch Trial era. Horrifying he “just LOOKS at some one and TESTS the spirits inside them?
George Carlin must have met this guy, hence his proclamation "This guy is fucking nuts!"
He spent 40 years studying one book and he hasnt once read it critically
Great Job in exposing the real truth!
This guy is a caller from back in the day
He went by George
The caller claims: “I have a god-given ability to sense the evil intent of men.” Seems like a big claim, but actually this sentiment is echoed by every father of every 15 year old daughter in the world.
Red and purple, pretty much the same color. So muh gawd is truh!
I feel the same shit when I take shrooms my dooood
If I saw a child drowning at the beach, I would pray to God.
"Please God, save the child !" Then wait to see what happens.
I have faith that he would raise up that poor child.