Technique beats strength... but strength and technique beats everything. As a heavy bjj blue belt I can get away with making a few mistakes with lighter purple belts but the lighter black belts still crush me.
It means that someone who has the right technique and knows how to use the proper footwork and angling to stop it. You can be the strongest man in the world or be an MMA god, but if your system has flaws in it, like all boxing derivatives do, then if you know how to counter those flaws, you will win, no matter what size he is.
+wesllful Hold my beer and hand me the boar spear! :-P But, no, really, I agree with you. Also, instead of thinking "technique beats power" (or vice versa), remember that the two are mutually supportive. Being stronger will improve the effectiveness of your technique (because, basically, the power can make up for a sloppier technique - if you're strong enough, that strike that doesn't quite hit the sweet spot will still do considerable damage), and better technique will improve the effectiveness of your technique (for basically the opposite reason).
My wife's karate instructor used to say regarding sparring/fighting that he would "give up a hamburger to get a steak", meaning he would take a small hit to give a KO. Not always a bad strategy considering that for the most part, a lot of people are vulnerable immediately following a strike. However, he is 6'3" and 270 lbs and a former Golden Gloves champion. My wife is 4'9" and 100 lbs. His size means a hamburger to him is like a side of beef to my wife. He could absorb a roundhouse kick from a 200 lb opponent and probably still be ok. My wife, not so much. Size and strength ALWAYS matter. Though they are not the only things that matter.
I generally consider these “who would win” questions to be pretty ignorant but Ramsey has turned his answers into explaining the strengths and weaknesses of particular types of training and experience. I have enjoyed and gained knowledge from this video.
Jack McDouglas however you shouldnt give up just because your opponent is bigger. You can train and try to bridge that gap as well as you can. Dont give up!
I've been bullied a lot as a kid and into early 20s Tell you two things small guys are sometimes the hardest punches and the hardest people to fight as they're so quick so fast and so nimble Then you get the combination which is quite scary where there for whatever reason high is a kite mentally or drugs or any thing It's like fighting a barbarian Who won't stand still keep punching and punching kicking screaming yelling biting
I learned all about this a few decades back when I was introduced to a fellow that was a boxer and wanted to expand his skills by learning Tang Soo kicks from me. After watching me warm up my kicks, he suggested we just box using headgear and gloves. You can imagine very easily what happened when he took away my reach and experience with distance- I had no idea how to close the gap without my legs. I learned a lot, you bet! I still love TSD but its hand training is so limited- finally understood my kickboxing is a bit superior. Also been tossed around by big brutes that ignored my kicks and punches during sparing and simply grabbed me and threw me down. I got hurt more sparring with big strong untrained dudes- stomped on my instep, pulled a muscle trying to reverse a throw, even trying any sort of blocking or deflecting was more damaging to me. On the other hand, we can't all be Bob Sapp. In fact, more of us look like Butterbean.......
In my tang soo do school we were taught to fight chest to chest. And since I have very short legs (6'1 with 28 inch long legs) I absolutly embraced fighting chest to chest.
Fascinating stuff, Sir. You are dispelling all the myths about fighting that have become almost a mantra: 'if you are skilled size does not matter'. Size does matter and if you are wise you should seek out opponents of similar size and skill. If you come across a larger guy in a street fight, use your superior agility to run away. It is funny that the advent of MMA has determined fight reality. It has determined what works in a fight. Surprise, being big and muscley is bloody important and technique often takes second stance. Anyway, Ramsey, another great video of sound sense from a man who has been through the mill of professional combat. Keep up the good work. With great respect. Flaxen Saxon.
Big, heavy and strong really matters. In my experience with kickboxing I really had a hard time against a bigger fighter when sparring. Bigger ones have more reach and more weight behind kicks and punch. One time I did some sparring with a Jiu Jitsu master (teacher) and he was smaller than me. Result was that he couldn't do anything when I just grabbed him and hold him tight. I was too strong for him. Only when we fought following the Jiu Jitsu rules, he could beat me. We live in an era where everyone is equal, or they want us to be equal and everyone wants to believe they can handle stronger guys. So in movies they show us women beating up huge guys because they know martial arts. Complete BS and wishful thinking. So strength and size really matters but fighting instinct or experience is just as important in a street fight. Not to forget, sometimes you need a bit of luck to.
No, only if you use one of the CRAPPY boxing derivative systems does it matter! Those depend on strength since you are using force on force. Wing chun, especially traditional, which uses positioning and angling, along with a body rotation to pull you away from the attack to see it and face it, which is very important when facing a boxer with a hook. And how is martial arts BS against someone who is bigger, but can't fight? That is what they are trained for! They are ALL smaller in size and less in strength. That is the whole idea in martial arts!
My cousin is 5'2, and he wishes to debate your claim 😂 I've seen him beat the hell out of bigger opponents, in fact, I don't think he's ever had an opponent his size or smaller. Even when we spar, he usually comes out completely even or barely on top, and I'm 5'11 with an insane weight, reach advantage. It's just experience and skill that make him so hard to handle. Well, and speed. He's lightning fast, and it's hard to block something you can't see (if not impossible) without luck and predicting positioning.
@@JamesReborn2023 That's right! Size has nothing to do with it! Only ignorant idiots say that! That is why jiu jitsu works on larger opponents, and so does TRADITIONAL WING CHUN, the best system on the planet!! It's the system that matters most, with the person training second. If you pick a crappy system, like boxing, muay thai, karate, or ANY boxing derivative, you are picking EXTREMELY FLAWED AND STIFF martial arts that are also INCOMPLETE for the streets! And the more of thee systems you add, the more flaws and stiffness you add as well! That is one reason why JKD doesn't work well in the streets because it uses very little actual wing chun (the incomplete modified system), and loads of crappy, flawed systems. With wing chun, you have your hands in the center, so it doesn't matter how fast he is because YOU control the center and he won't be able to get in because you will make IMMEDIATE contact with the arm, then, depending on the direction and type of strike, enter in to finish the fight QUICKLY!
@@mightymeatmonsta ehh. I disagree. Size matters but it isn't the deciding factor. And Wing Chun is good but it is up to the practitioner to execute what he's/ she's learned properly. My cousin met an exchange student who practiced Wing Chun, they sparred, and he said he was pretty good. Said he wasn't used to his style. But there is no "best" martial art. There are martial arts that are best in certain situations, such as jiu jitsu when the fight goes to clinch or the ground, or wing Chun when the fight takes place in a bathroom stall (never know when you might get jumped 😂). I wonder if you were being sarcastic with the enthusiasm of Master Wong 🤣 but this is my reply if you were serious.
@@JamesReborn2023 No, size does not matter! TWC guys are typically smaller than their opponents and beat them senseless! YOU MUST KNOW THE ENTIRE TRADITIONAL SYSTEM FOR IT TO WORK PROPERLY! If you know the MODIFIED system, then you do not know wing chun! Not the correct system, anyway. Yes, there is. It is called TRADITIONAL WING CHUN and it is FAR SUPERIOR to any system! READ MY COMMENTS! THAT WILL EXPLAIN WHY! I AM NOT REWRITING THE WHOLE FUCKING THING BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE REFUSE TO READ MY COMMENTS! Jiu jitsu is CRAP for the streets! It only works on inexperienced fighters and scream queens! Same goes for MMA, boxing, kickboxing, tkd, karate, JIU JITSU or any other boxing derivative, including second-rate JKD! TWC has wing chun grappling, which is the same thing as jiu jitsu (they use the same techniques), but they use the ten concepts as well! It also has locks and throws, arm bars, sweeps, palm strikes, elbows, knees, kicks, as well as WEAPONS TRAINING and MULTIPLE OPPONENT TRAINING, which NO BOXING DERIVATIVE HAS! SO THIS MAKES IT WORTHLESS ON THE STREETS! GET IT? YOUR CRAPPY AND INCOMPLETE TRAINING WILL NOT PROTECT YOU FROM ANYONE WITH A WEAPON OR MULTIPLE OPPONENTS! AT LEAST IF YOU TRAIN IT, YOU HAVE A MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF SURVIVAL THEN IF YOU DON'T!! GET IT?????
I'm a karate practitioner and recently we had 4 body builders come to try out with us, but they didn't last, these blokes were a lot bigger and stronger then most of us but the problem was their endurance was bad, we'd spar with them and after 30 seconds of them literally throwing full power punches at us most of which were highly telegraphed so easily avoided they were exhausted and had to walk off the mats
They got lucky. I knew Taekwondo dudes who seriously injured huge bodybuilders, and a few ribs broken on tough guys who decided to fight against Wing Chun. Apparently, people who punch hard things every day punch harder than guys who only lift, who might have guessed? XD
Yes, this follows logic. But a non bodybuilder trying karate sparring for the first time would also get winded after 30 seconds. But now what would happen if you and I had the same skill level at Karate and you were 15 cm taller than I, 40kg heavier than I and able to lift twice he amount of weight I could? Well, I would most likely lose to you wouldnt I? Point here is: people that arent used to intensive sparring will get tired after a short while no matter id they are bodybuilders or nor
It's not that hard to grab someone if they are wearing clothes (it is much harder in MMA where you are trying to grab a mostly naked slippery person, but even there fights tend to go to ground pretty quick). The point is that big, strong people are very dangerous even if they don't really know how to fight.
I really appreciate your honest and logical approach to answering this question. It seems that technical ability has a higher probability of succeeding in a fight. However, you can't discount size and strength. Basic physics can and will effect how a fight plays out.
Speaking of David and Goliath matches...David defeated Goliath because of his skill. During his years of being a shepherd, he practiced using his sling, a weapon they used back then to ward off predators to protect the sheep. It was basically artillery, a weapon also used in war with deadly accuracy. David used his time wisely in the field, a routine most people would find extremely boring. Honing his technique, he was an expert marksman who actually was more than a match.for the heavy armor wearing Goliath, who had to be led down to the battle area because of poor eyesight and complications due to his form of giantism.
I like how these two questions were grouped together. One question that always comes to my mind is how likely one is to ever run into a black belt level fighter who's also a "black belt" level bodybuilder or strongman? Both pursuits take a lot of time, effort, and money, so what are the odds of coming across someone who's gone that far down both paths? And beyond that, someone who's balancing and staying on top of both at the same time? More often than not, dangerously strong bodybuilders are probably doing bodybuilding instead of martial arts, not on top of it. In other words, pitting a karate expert against a competitive bodybuilder really does belong in the same category of scenarios as pitting a karate expert against an expert from another style.
Here is the match Josh Barnett vs Ricardo Almeida: th-cam.com/video/hEuTJiQfcbY/w-d-xo.html I couldn't find a video with a worse quality. Sorry for that!
I think a big advantage lighter guys have is endurance. Even when both are trained well, moving all that mass and powering all that muscle takes a lot of energy, so bigger guys tend to wear out quicker.
true but in a self defence situation it doesnt matter, if the bigger guy has had any stamina training. since the fight will not be 30minutes anyways so him using more energy for that 3 minutes does not matter in any significant way.
Don't really know from an mma point of view but from straight bjj guys with less muscle mass tend to be a lot more flexible. Most guys that can actually get a triangle or anything going from their guard on me are built like scarecrows.
@@89PigDestroyer I cant sit down fully in guard because my calves and hamstrings are too big. But as far as endurance I train in the gym 3 hours a day, so 2 hours rolling is nothing
the biggest lie ppl want to believe because it is so incredibly convenient for their own confidence is that size doesnt matter. As for david vs goliath fights, i remember Fabio Gurgel vs Mark Kerr and Pedro Sauer vs some bodybuilder. In both cases the size mattered a lot but one time the small guy could overcome the bigger one and one time not.
Search 'Jouko Salomäki' from youtube, and one will find a wrestling match between a top wrestler vs 140kg bodybuilder. Now, that was a wrestling match, not a real fight, but educational nevertheless.
The best fighting style is diplomacy and having lots of money. Second is my world renowned form of ninjitsu called Grand Galactic Comet Do. I have yet to meet an opponent who can withstand my deadly Anus Jab, utilizing Dim Mak knowledge to cause an instantaneous prolapse.
Very good video! Any young healthy young man can hit a 400lbs squat, 500lbs deadlift and 300lbs bench drug free. This will make a huge difference. I can not understand why people do not get this. If someone is serious about martial arts this should be one of your primary goals. You will kick like a horse!! And you will be a hell of a lot more durable and you will be able to take a good beating and power your way out of situationes.
Yeah, farm-workers have “freakish” strength & endurance compared to the average person. From the late-1800s to the mid-1900s, Notre Dame’s collegiate football team was made up of mostly “farm-workers” whose dominance on the field was attributable to the physical conditioning that farming gave them. These guys did farm work for the 7 to 8 months out of the year that they weren’t playing football.
The same bodybuilder that fought Pedro Sauer barley lost to a karate sensei. That shows that yes strength DOES matter in a fight. Even though the karate master won, he barley won.
What I need, and is almost impossible to find except for a couple of groundwork jiujitsu videos, is a discussion of how a big and strong, but slow, guy should fight a fast and skilled guy. There are lots of videos on how to fight a taller or bigger guy, but little to help the older, slower, bigger types. It is all very well for boxers to say "work on your jab", but what if the smaller guys gets inside? In TKD (WTF version), if a smaller and quicker guy gets inside, then you are in real trouble. Karate gives you more weapons (and in shotokan you can punch to the head), but it still is a big problem for big, slower strikers. When I am sparring in Karate or kickboxing, repetition and timing count for a lot, but, being a slow, old guy (albeit pretty big), against the better fighters I often feel like that Leonard Cohen line -- "the only thing I learned from love, was how to shoot at someone who outdrew you...". How do you fight an opponent who outdrew you?
So you think that if Lennox Lewis had been able only to exchange hooks with David Tua he would have won? I don't think so -- instead he clinched, and then did everything he could to get back out of Tua's range. SO now imagine that the shorter guy inside is much faster than you and has good defence.
I'm talking about what I would do. If some one wants to get that close to me we are going to the ground. The place where I would have the advantage again. Why does everyone assume hooks are for only boxers?
I concede -- you are totally right. Size has its advantages, especially in that situation, but I have seen a lot of smaller wrestlers mess up big guys with speed and technique. So that is still the challenge for someone like me.
I have been practising kung fu for like 6yrs and on. I used to be a bodybuilder before from my early teen until I joined first martial art class in my 22. Then I was told in order to be flexible and speedy in a sparring I must lose some weight, relax my muscle size and stiffness and must stop hitting gym. I was ok with that. But as the years went on and my belts went higher I started to realize even if my coach says a perfect technique is everything yet it is not everything. When two person applies same technique to each other with same experience and same accuracy, even a fool can see the heavier one wins. So imagine what! I started gymming again for an year and now I realize grappling is much more practical and applicable than striking. So I'm quitting kung fu and joining judo now. I believe may be my kung fu experience will make my judo work better? I train for my satisfaction only and I dont believe acting a superhero on the street!! I like what you said in one of your videos postural bodybuilding is what we need not social bodybuilding. Thank you coach never will I forget this tip in my second session of body training for my second martial art.
In essence the question is: how many weight classes can skill compensate for? It's definitely not infinite. Light weights of most martial arts would still get wrecked by strongmen who can easily be 2.5-3x heavier with plenty of functional strength. At that discrepancy technique stops mattering. But there still comes a point when a significantly lighter but higher skilled fighter can endure long enough, land a knockout, or find a submission. The Mountain "sparring" with Connor McGregor was interested to watch in that regard. And Fedor Vs Aoki, although Fedor of course has no lack of technique.
With good skills, it is said that you can compensate for 1.5 time your weight, maybe a bit more. So in theory with my weight being 67 kg I could go against a 100 kg dude, maybe more.
As he mentioned in the video, he took the qeustion as David vs goliath. In short: David can only win if he got far more specific experience fighting big strong guys. If David is lacking this specific exp, Goliath does crush David all the time.
When I started my MMA training, one of my friend's GF was a "trained" boxer and wanted to show how good she was and asked to spar with straight boxing. Even being a novice and just learning to target openings I was able to knock her out multiple times with little effort due to my being able to absorb her blows and be patient. In my story, I happened to be the Goliath to this skinny chick.
I'm a 110kg bodybuilder. I've worked out for around 20 years. I have some history of judo, boxing and tae kwon-do, but I never got any far in either discipline. I have a decent boxing technique and I know how to use my whole body in order to maximize the punch. Well for an amateur anyway. I used to fight a lot as a teenager though so I'm not afraid of a scruffle. My experience is that martial artists aren't really that much of a problem until they reach a certain weight. When they reach around 85-90kg a trained martial artist becomes a problem. That's where you just can't mop the floor with him and pull him into the positions you want using raw strenght. At the same time he knows how to hurt you and he's got the weight behind his kicks and punches. This might anger many but these 60-70kg guys are usually walkovers regardless of their level of technique. A friend of mine is a 7 dan karate athlete. He was maybe around 80-85kg at the time. We were doing some light sparring in his gym and he was doing high kicks close to my face. As soon as the bell rang I alway ran straight on top of him and wrestled him down with brute force. There was just nothing he could do. You just don't play to a martial artists strenghts. You play to yours and if that's strenght then you brawl him.
Head strikes in most Karate competitions are illegal? ........ where are you watching tournaments fights? :-) I only know of Kyokushin where that's illegal.
@@wrx4life477 Intelligence is the innate ability to attain greater knowledge, it is something you are born with. The better your intelligence, the easier it is for you to learn.
Im wearing tights that I borrowed from your mum. Man fuck of, I never said or meant for someone to make the interpretation that one is better then another I simply addressed the fact that most of the people in the comment section know next to nothing about karate but I am sorry for misinterpreting intelligence for knowledge it was a mere error on my side
When I was still practicing taekwondo i had to spar with the instructor who was like 30 cm taller than me. Naturally, his legs were considerably longer so that just lifting his knee could reach my head. That was scary, he also was national level fighter. It was difficult to even reach him because he knew how to move
These questions are always tough to answer. As someone who has studied the fight game since UFC 6. When someone asks questions like this I know there is no short answer like they want. There are so many variables from techniques, to athletic ability, physical ability, to situational, to style. Before getting into the art we have to know the physical ability involve. Who has heavy hands, who has a weak chin or granite chin, who has cardio, height and reach, etc. people are so clueless at what goes into the outcome of two people fighting that it really takes a lifestyle to experience and understand how complicated a fight can be. A body builder can be a horrible fighter. But he can also be born with heavy hands and a granite chin and natural fight and even grappling instincts. In the question here. I would have to use stereotypical versions. Karate has worked in the UFC when someone tends to have massive speed advantages to maximize their striking, defense and distance to avoid takedowns. Not something all karate guys will have. They also tend to not be very tough on average because the art lacks contact and that attracts the types who are wanting to avoid it. Boxers not so much. Even if you settle on a rep of that style. Styles make fights. You can be very good and even better and not be a match for the way a lessor guy decides to fight you. Every variable changes things. What if the strong man decides to slam you on the concrete? Not all would even think of doing it. That alone makes them very dangerous. Just an impossible question. But if you are fighting someone that big you should be aware of the danger and the fact win or lose you are going to have to work for it and take a beating. To win you might have to take that beating for 3 minutes before they gas. Do you have that cardio? Do you have that chin? Do you have that toughness? When they gas do you have anything left to make them quit or knock them out? You can create the perfect boxer in all areas except give him a weak chin and you will never hear of the guy. He would get weeded out as an amateur. That’s just one variable and it can take someone from the best ever to a nobody!
You're average bodybiilder will beat your average karateka, IMHO. There's a lot of difference between the guy who does this one or two times a week, and the guy who does this dedicatedly. I wouldn't want to take on a dedicated karateka, any more than I would want to take on a dedicated Judoka. They are fit, extremely so. And the chances are they've learned atemi or something, it goes with the territory.
Ramsey, you're my new favorite TH-cam channel. I really enjoy you're perception on many topics and I see you blowing up real soon. 250k subs in the next year. Cheers!
Guys, check out videos with female professional fighters sparring novice male fighters or just athletic guys. In most of them, the female fighter has a hard time and the male fighter usually goes easy on them. Unless they are almost the same size. So you see, just the technique is not enough to K.O. the opponent but it is enough to keep you alive.
It depends on what type of bodybuilding it is The modern-day bodybuilder who relies on steroids with don't even compete have pretty much low cardiovascular system The old-fashioned bodybuilders Who train for strength power growth athletic performance and cardiovascular system Then it's a total different fight
Technique, in my mind, is simply the knowledge of how to use what strength you do have, it just helps a damn lot When there's a lot of strength there. Taking some time to learn how the muscles and joints move and work together has proven to be an immense boon to me in my martial arts experience. The most easy example that comes to mind is the punch; a weak guy with a perfectly executed punch can strike much harder than a much stronger guy with a crappy throw, this applies to practically everything. This is all based upon my experience anyway
It's really hard to fight against a bigger, larger man. In boxing, I often train with bigger guys. Even if they're beginners, it's really difficult to find a good position to stryke them.
Karate-expert vs. completely unexperienced bodybuilder would win. I saw a lot of big guys who did absolutely not understand how to put their bodyweight and their power behind a punch. I had that experience with several guys who had muscles like Arnold in his best years but their strikes were so weak, that it couldn´t hurt a kitten. And they did not at all have the mindset a fighter needs. But what I experienced too, is, that if such a bodybuilder does just half a year in training martial arts, he can turn into an unstoppable machine, because then, he gets an idea how to use his force on an opponent.
Sarariman23 then that bodybuilder would have to lose some of their muscle because their body would have to adapt to throwing strikes and lifting people.
karate guy will hit him in the face but what if he grabs him in the same time, i big strong guy can miss but if smaller guy miss or throw a punch that the bigger guy can absorb then he will be hitted,
Geoff Thompson was a 9stone Karateka and scored numerous knockouts against bodybuilders, powerlifters and rugby players whilst working doors in the UK. Strength helps, mindset matters more.
I love the way you explain things I’ve never even an instructor with such a correct point of view if that makes sense like how you said just because you have technique doesn’t give you powers it’s just a higher chance of success in a fight, I’m sick of people saying size doesn’t matter it doesn’t mean just cause ours huge you’ll win but it’s a big advantage when someone can hit and kick you from a position where you can’t even get in close to them, fuck me I wish I lived in China you needa train me😭😂
Lifting, is a skill beleive it or not, Not everyone can lift. Therefore, lifting every day would be the same as doing martial Arts everyday. Must train mind, body, spirit.
As a fifth Street gym, Miami Beach product since age 10, I also studied 3 yrs of shōrin Ryū, under Shihan Moses Colon. Correct, we couldn't strike to the face, but we were allow to check to the face, and strike the body. Even as a I began study this new discipline, it was clear that I had a clear advantage in regards to punching and defense. To answer the question, in many situations regarding hands, boxers have a clear advantage, however will become better overall strikers and adopting superior kicking techniques
When fighting a larger opponent, it is critical to stay relaxed. Be alert, but know that all other things equal, time is on your side. Big muscly people can burn out quick, because they train for size and strength, not endurance. Tire them out, be opportunistic, and for god's sake don't let them get on top unless your arm-bar/triangle game is gold.
The main problem with training with heavy opponents is injuries! If you don't have a very experienced expert heavy guy.. Most likely he is going to injure you! Especially in power grappling.. If you are a competitor you don't want to get injured.. And if you train to be healthy and have some self defense ability why do that? So only if the heavy guy that is able to control his power and understand what is dangerous and what is not... Then you can train... And then some reality situations are dropped out..Because they are too dangerous.
when I was a teenager (more than 40 years ago) I used to do judo. The club was known as a damn good one (we had a couple of England team members for teachers). Then one day a Canadian ex lumberjack named Bret Massey turned up. He was a freak of nature; 28, 6` 5" and about 22 stones of solid (natural) muscle as well as being a damn nice bloke. Think of a shaved bear and you`ve got him. I`ve only met one person in my entire life that was stronger. From the first he gave the teachers a very hard time in free fighting, nothing to do with Judo just because of his raw power and sheer athleticism. He`d beat most of the black belts and even some of the England team members lost to him and they were big, strong, fit guys in their own right. He`d literally just pick them up and throw them around like rag dolls. The main teacher was a guy called Barry who was about 14 stone of muscle and had superb technique after about 20 years of training. Even he struggled against Bret and had to be on his best game to beat him. One day a judoka named Angelo Parisi (look him up) turned up and free faught Bret. he beat him, just, but wow was it an epic contest, and Bret had only been doing judo about 3 months then. As an aside I moved and had to find another club. I was certainly no expert but a resonable judoka. I was 11 stone and at the new club was not only the youngest, but also the smallest. However I was used to fighting people much larger and stronger then me. I surprised a lot of them at how well I could cope with bigger fighters. Not saying I beat them all, I didn't, but I gave them a run for their money and they had to work. All of that was because I was used to sparring with a shaved bear. My question is a down to earth one. Assuming you are a family man with limited time on your hands. Lets say you are able to train just three times a week. For the purposes of self defence only what art or system would you advise the to train in? And how would that compare to using that time to instead pursuing fitness training? So in essence if you could clone yourself and had one clone do the art or system and the other just do weights/running and fitness conditioning for say 18 months after that time who do you think would win in a fight? For my money I`d say the fitness guy. but after about three years I`d back the martial artist. be pleased to hear your thoughts. Regardless, love your channel. So much plain common sense.
That’s a really good question! Your bear friend Bret reminds of my friend Dave. He just squishes all these higher ranking guys easily all the time in jiu-jitsu. Physical fitness and Brute strength and a massive asset in fighting that get overlooked a lot.
Ramsey Dewey. Thx for your reply. Yes, size, strength, fitness and athleticism are often overlooked. But for my money there is one aspect that is seldom if ever talked about that is even more important. That is mental composure and the ability to think when under pressure. The best example I`ve ever seen is the rumble in the jungle where Ali out thought, not out faught Foreman. lol, another question, how can you train to develop mental composure?
The problem is that your friend Bret had trained Judo for three months so he was familiarized with the art in a certain level, therefore the question that I ask to myself is ¿ what would had happened if Bret would had fought with the black belts for the first time without any experience in Judo?
Ramsey, your videos are awesome. You are like a blend of philosopher and fighter which is ideal in my mind. Would love to get out there and train some more martial arts, but COVID sucks big time in the USA right now..... As a big dude (6-2 260), I am biased. I have trained karate, some boxing and LOTS of heavy weight lifting (I weighed about 315 pounds at my strongest); and 4 years of hard labor doing carpentry before the weight lifting. Size does matter, but, I have found that it is easier to hurt yourself in training if you are bigger. I would say correct technique is even MORE important if you are bigger. I have to watch my form while hitting the heavy bag or I can overextend my shoulder, or bust my wrist. Good form is a must when lifting heavy weights as well. I screwed up my back from getting too big, too top heavy, and my lumbar disc between L4-L5 has a bulge, which sucks. To sum up, a bigger person is absolutely going to hit harder and have more grappling power, that is simple physics. That being said, the smaller opponent with superior technique can win in a fight. But I also argue that if the bigger person has good technique and form (which I think they must in order to ward off injury), it is going to be awful hard for the smaller person to win. Just like Ramsey stated in one video about Bruce Lee vs Muhammed Ali.....Ali wins every time! Lee was an incredibly skilled athlete, but Ali was also extremely skilled, and way stronger. This is a no brainer. Again, if you are bigger, train carefully and not mess yourself up (especially shoulders and lower back) trying to lift a mountain of weight, or do a million punches in a heavy bag session or whatever it might be. Go easy and work up.
Smaller guy should always keep distance and use the better cardio a smaller person should have to tire out a body builder. I’ll always put my money on a small trained striker with good footwork and the space to use it over a bigger body builder any day, although in a street fight anything is possible
Mr. Ramsey why don’t most M.A. schools prepare (in physical and mental effort) students for real world situations like the movies, like Cobra Kai (no pun)?
That is a myth, a bodybuilder punches way harder and faster than an average joe, and If u look at boxers and ufc fighters some of them actually looks like a bodybuilder. But its individual, If a bodybuilder has trained punching he can throw fast and heavy hands, If not. Maybe not.
Have you ever read the comments on the David vs Goliath matches on youtube? There are a lot of people who completely miss the point of the videos and imply that any smaller guy can beat a guy twice their size with "some" training.
Size, strength, and weight matter. Bodybuilding, however, tends to emphasize the shape of muscles, and not what fighters train in. Also, you can be very strong even if not defined like a bodybuilder (and some fat men can be very strong). Ergo strength training isn't necessarily the same as bodybuilding. In fact, he mentions that there’s a difference in training in this video.
Question for Ramsey - what about strength vs size? I've seen some smaller guys that are actually stronger than significantly bigger guys. I think you alluded to this in the statement that bodybuilders tend to be the weakest of the strength athletes. There are some freaks out there that are extremely strong for their size. How does that factor in when the smaller guy is actually stronger than the bigger guy?
Both are great. You can win with both. You can as a bodybuilder and can as a karetka. Both technique and strength are great. You can win with strength alone. You can also win with technique alone.
Size matters in combat sports. In a self defense situation, running away wins. I've out run plenty of big body builders in the Army and the Marine Corps Marathon. Also, avoiding being grabbed is easy with a little Aikido. Trying to grab a competent martial artist is insanely difficult regardless of strength. They're too slippery.
I don't remember the man's name but I have heard an amazing story about a boxer from ancient times who was an extreme defensive genius. He would evade block and perry his opponent's strikes and often win fights without striking his opponents.
You mentioned that having taekwondo background made you unaccustomed to boxing and that was difficult at first. In your experience does e.g. boxers shifting to kickboxing or mma similarly be uncomfortable fighting kickers, receiving kicks or understanding the range? How about grapplinb people?
In high school, I tried a year of wrestling, of which I had no experience and did terribly at, to try to broaden my horizons (worth it just for the efficacy of the sprawl). I have a very dense build. I'm 5'7", but my peak condition was when I weighed 210. I looked like I would only weigh 140 at the time. I was so compact, on three different occasions, when somebody tried to punch me in the shoulder or chest, they literally broke their hands. Now, I didn't realize they were seriously trying to hit me and hurt me, when I trained with the two heavyweights, they spontaneously tried to strike me, which I blocked nonchalantly and it freaked them out. They could do a real number on me if grappling alone. At the end of the season, I took the other guy in my weight category to a fight. I told him he could use any technique at all, whether it was wrestling or not and I told him I would do the same. He agreed, so I waited for him to move first. He shot in towards my leg. I simply sidestepped and kicked him in the shin as hard as I could. I was surprised I didn't break it, but it left him with a bone-bruise and he could not stand for over 10 minutes. I squatted down near him and asked him if he wished to continue. He said "No" and I waited for him to recover and helped him up.
Size - Eric Esh / Butterban. He is usually 20cm smaller than his opponents but he is also 180 kilos so he has the mass ands he is one of the best heavy weight boxers of all time cause if he hits its almost certainly KO. Now his MMA career is a lot less impressice, to his defens he was already old when he started it and he knows nothing about fighting on the ground, and he did loose against some quite smaller lighter guys as he just couldnt land his deadly punches
Distance would be key with the boxer and body builder. In the red zone, punching distance, the boxer and body builder have the advantage. Outside the red zone Karateka probably has the advantage.
Good point here... Size matters a lot :D But the fact you´re big doesn´t make you invincible. Just remembered me one david/goliath fight - its Jerome le Banner vs. Nokveed Devy. Watch it here, you can see that without rules and experiences the fight would be short range, but as it goes on, the small thai guy keep still pushing on and I think he won that fight at the end...
Without even talking about technique one thing to consider. Force Applied = Mass equals acceleration in square. Lots of time in striking martial comes into learning how to achieve that good acceleration of punches and kick. Also how to absorb damage. How to strike with right structure, how to not tense and eat power of strike. There is no such need in bodybuilding. Yeah they have that Mass part, but difference between those who can strike fast and with mass and those who don't is massive. Trained striker can deliver much more force then bodybuilder. Power-lifters actually learn this stuff, so they are faster and therefore kick stronger. Both prabably have distinctive advantage over karateka in grappling.
When I did Karate as a kid, we always learned to punch the head. I don't remember well what the competitions were like, but if you kicked the head, you had to stop just short of actually striking. If you did you got three points in a five point match. If you didn't you got a penalty.
Very true, except that size does not always equal strength.(but strength is certainly very important, size alone however can easily be used against you by a skilled opponent) Just for example I am not a "large" guy about 5'10 150. But from all of my hours of training/physical labor etc I am much stronger than I would appear to be, and have definitely been able to out work most larger people I have met, in some cases much much larger people. And these weren't out of shape weaklings, some were even on steroids lol. Tho as you pointed out simply increasing the size of the muscle like most body builders aim for does not really make the muscle much stronger (they will also tend to have weak tendons and ligaments and be more prone to injury) where as strong men etc typically do alot of "work"/manual labor type training wich will always give your muscles more actual strength although they are typically very massive guys as well, the average strong man would typically wipe the floor with the average body builder, or atleast have the ability to do so. But once you bring in aspects and mechanics of striking and fighting technique that can be a very different story if the smaller guy knows how to use his power for a fight and the other does not. Also just generally even someone from tkd or karate will have experience being hit, hard while most body builders have never been in a fight as most people were probably afraid of them and likely could not take a hit like a smaller guy with experience being hit could. Of course there will always be exceptions but just generally speaking
Taekwondo is the only martial art available where I live, the club seems to be legit with a long history of international competition and so on. Could you give any tips of making the best of such a situation? It would also be very interesting to hear your thoughts on taekwondo in general, you told us how it wasn't a very smooth transition, is it worth training at all?
Mr. Dewey I wish you the best in life. There are many scripted fighting styles or others call it "fake fighting" like Pro-Wrestling, Shoot Fighting & etc. Can this fighting styles translate or be used in real fighting matches? or Can athletes with these styles have chances to win in a real fighting matches using the fighting techniques they are trained with?
This is so true. I'm a small guy( +- 75Kg) but i did powerlifting and strongman for many many years, and one time I went to try some judo , and my fighting partners that had a lot more fighting experience but they were unable imobilize me because i could brake their locks and toss them aside. I was actually afraid of hurting them, it was a very traditional school, so they did zero weight training. I also have experience on the other side, at one point i start to boxing. After a year and a half of training i felt that I knew how to punch( I was still a rookie but I knew hoe to punch well). So I decided to do a mach against my cousin (also a porwelifter). He had zero experience in boxing, but he was around 95Kg. Just the figure was scaring, and when the punches started so come...boy oh boy. The strenght he had alone in his puches were in a hole new level. That was when i understood, in person, why there are so many weight classes. Strength and size matter A LOT in a fight.
I know a shotokan karate teacher that goes climbing with me... He is over 40 years old... I bet my ass he can beat a body builder in hand to hand... But thr fact that he already look like a heavyweight kivk boxer and his legs are as wide as my torso could be the reason...
Size does NOT equal strenght. Muscle mass (volume) might help to absorb some damage, but usually strongest people - either directly, or per mass - rarely have imposing physiques. Also muscle mass consumes oxygen. Irony is, that winning early and quickly is most important for both lightest and heaviest competitors.
if a bodybuilder practices technique and learns to snap his punches/kicks he can be formidable but also would need to know about head movement/footwork/spacing.
@ Ramsey Dewey Do you think BJJ can help a female fight off a sexual assault attacker with submissions, locks and other BJJ techniques? Or is self defence in this scenario more brutal with things like biting, scratching etc
I do Sanda and in my gym almost all of the other students are at least 20 kg heavier and taller. I believe that sparring and grappling with them has taught me a lot.
strength training is a very traditional part of Karate and also now Modern MMA, Body Building is for show but if they are strength training also (and even a Bodybuilder can add a lot of strength) and have fighting ability , who knows, its all relative
Seriously though, it's one of those things where if you're ready for a big opponent you can still caught off guard. I grew up holding my own against guys bigger than me. One guy in particular would complain that I could turn him into a pretzel. At my last unit while I was in the Corps there was a guy who had about 30 lbs on me but he was beyond brutishly strong. His team found that even though he had no skill he was powerful enough to keep me busy in our 6 v 6 mad scrambles during MCMAP training.
Everything you say is true but sometimes you can overthink things. I like to rely more on intuition and instinct. I use peripheral vision and look for openings. Like when you were talking about hesitating against the boxer, hesitating too long in a fight is not a good thing, you have to know when to let those hands go.
Strength with technique is like a boat without paddles, I've been in altercations with body builders in the past, knee kicks work a charm, low leg kicks and jaw shots if you can get close enough, just try to keep your distance that's crucial, usually they gas out like 30 or Forty seconds into the fight and become weak and sloppy very slow as well just get them to run around a bit.
Youve never been in a real fight in your life, you fucking punk. The only way someone will gas out before a minute is if they are a senior citizen who happens to be dying of cancer at the time. And yeah knee kicks work on everyone. The problem is that kicking out someone's knees in an otherwise fair fight will get you about ten years in fucking prison. Fuck you, dude. You dont know what the fuck you're talking about. Clown
Technique beats strength... but strength and technique beats everything. As a heavy bjj blue belt I can get away with making a few mistakes with lighter purple belts but the lighter black belts still crush me.
Technique beats everything. Strength means nothing if you know how to nullify it like in traditional wing chun.
What do you mean?
Do you ever spar?
It means that someone who has the right technique and knows how to use the proper footwork and angling to stop it. You can be the strongest man in the world or be an MMA god, but if your system has flaws in it, like all boxing derivatives do, then if you know how to counter those flaws, you will win, no matter what size he is.
+wesllful Hold my beer and hand me the boar spear! :-P But, no, really, I agree with you.
Also, instead of thinking "technique beats power" (or vice versa), remember that the two are mutually supportive. Being stronger will improve the effectiveness of your technique (because, basically, the power can make up for a sloppier technique - if you're strong enough, that strike that doesn't quite hit the sweet spot will still do considerable damage), and better technique will improve the effectiveness of your technique (for basically the opposite reason).
That only applies to hard systems. In soft systems, technique and footwork beat power by angling and deflection.
One of my favorite Bruce lee quotes is "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer."
@Dr Diablory A wise man can learn more from a foolish reply than a fool can learn from a wise comment
Really though!
@Dr Diablory Admit it, you're just too stupid to understand what it means!
@@liammullen2144 Nice play on words!
@Dr Diablory Whatever....
Agent 47 teaching martial arts ??What's going on here?
Lp_2003 lmao
Lets be honest, its the best source out there... We know he have "killer hands" x'D
Yeah seems he semi-retired and is in search for adequate hobbies. He even grew a beard. Really let himself go :P
Hah
LKVideos
Lol. I think in-game it's actually explained that 47 can't grow facial or head hair because of how he was made. That's why he's bald.
My wife's karate instructor used to say regarding sparring/fighting that he would "give up a hamburger to get a steak", meaning he would take a small hit to give a KO.
Not always a bad strategy considering that for the most part, a lot of people are vulnerable immediately following a strike. However, he is 6'3" and 270 lbs and a former Golden Gloves champion. My wife is 4'9" and 100 lbs.
His size means a hamburger to him is like a side of beef to my wife.
He could absorb a roundhouse kick from a 200 lb opponent and probably still be ok. My wife, not so much.
Size and strength ALWAYS matter. Though they are not the only things that matter.
talks about there is no 100% guarantee, and forgets about the crane kick
Daniel LaRusso: Does it work?
Mr. Kesuke Miyagi: If do right, no can defense.
Is that what he says in English 😂
🤣🤣😂😂 dude you got me rolling. That was great
Well Chozen wasn't fooled by his crane kick
I generally consider these “who would win” questions to be pretty ignorant but Ramsey has turned his answers into explaining the strengths and weaknesses of particular types of training and experience. I have enjoyed and gained knowledge from this video.
This question gets beat to death everywhere. This is one of the most honest introspective answer I have ever heard on the subject.
Size matters, it's painful to admit that, but it's only common sense. It's been like this since the beginning of times.
Jack McDouglas however you shouldnt give up just because your opponent is bigger. You can train and try to bridge that gap as well as you can. Dont give up!
Have you ever seen untrained huge men in a fight? They fall REALLY HARD.
That's why the martial art I follow uses swords lol.
I've been bullied a lot as a kid and into early 20s
Tell you two things
small guys are sometimes the hardest punches and the hardest people to fight as they're so quick so fast and so nimble
Then you get the combination which is quite scary where there for whatever reason high is a kite mentally or drugs or any thing
It's like fighting a barbarian Who won't stand still keep punching and punching kicking screaming yelling biting
Jack McDouglas agreed - size matters but it’s not the only aspect that matters
I learned all about this a few decades back when I was introduced to a fellow that was a boxer and wanted to expand his skills by learning Tang Soo kicks from me. After watching me warm up my kicks, he suggested we just box using headgear and gloves. You can imagine very easily what happened when he took away my reach and experience with distance- I had no idea how to close the gap without my legs. I learned a lot, you bet! I still love TSD but its hand training is so limited- finally understood my kickboxing is a bit superior. Also been tossed around by big brutes that ignored my kicks and punches during sparing and simply grabbed me and threw me down. I got hurt more sparring with big strong untrained dudes- stomped on my instep, pulled a muscle trying to reverse a throw, even trying any sort of blocking or deflecting was more damaging to me. On the other hand, we can't all be Bob Sapp. In fact, more of us look like Butterbean.......
At least butterbean would win that fight lol
In my tang soo do school we were taught to fight chest to chest. And since I have very short legs (6'1 with 28 inch long legs) I absolutly embraced fighting chest to chest.
Fascinating stuff, Sir. You are dispelling all the myths about fighting that have become almost a mantra: 'if you are skilled size does not matter'. Size does matter and if you are wise you should seek out opponents of similar size and skill. If you come across a larger guy in a street fight, use your superior agility to run away. It is funny that the advent of MMA has determined fight reality. It has determined what works in a fight. Surprise, being big and muscley is bloody important and technique often takes second stance. Anyway, Ramsey, another great video of sound sense from a man who has been through the mill of professional combat. Keep up the good work. With great respect. Flaxen Saxon.
Big, heavy and strong really matters. In my experience with kickboxing I really had a hard time against a bigger fighter when sparring. Bigger ones have more reach and more weight behind kicks and punch.
One time I did some sparring with a Jiu Jitsu master (teacher) and he was smaller than me. Result was that he couldn't do anything when I just grabbed him and hold him tight. I was too strong for him. Only when we fought following the Jiu Jitsu rules, he could beat me.
We live in an era where everyone is equal, or they want us to be equal and everyone wants to believe they can handle stronger guys. So in movies they show us women beating up huge guys because they know martial arts.
Complete BS and wishful thinking.
So strength and size really matters but fighting instinct or experience is just as important in a street fight. Not to forget, sometimes you need a bit of luck to.
No, only if you use one of the CRAPPY boxing derivative systems does it matter! Those depend on strength since you are using force on force. Wing chun, especially traditional, which uses positioning and angling, along with a body rotation to pull you away from the attack to see it and face it, which is very important when facing a boxer with a hook. And how is martial arts BS against someone who is bigger, but can't fight? That is what they are trained for! They are ALL smaller in size and less in strength. That is the whole idea in martial arts!
My cousin is 5'2, and he wishes to debate your claim 😂 I've seen him beat the hell out of bigger opponents, in fact, I don't think he's ever had an opponent his size or smaller. Even when we spar, he usually comes out completely even or barely on top, and I'm 5'11 with an insane weight, reach advantage. It's just experience and skill that make him so hard to handle. Well, and speed. He's lightning fast, and it's hard to block something you can't see (if not impossible) without luck and predicting positioning.
@@JamesReborn2023 That's right! Size has nothing to do with it! Only ignorant idiots say that! That is why jiu jitsu works on larger opponents, and so does TRADITIONAL WING CHUN, the best system on the planet!! It's the system that matters most, with the person training second. If you pick a crappy system, like boxing, muay thai, karate, or ANY boxing derivative, you are picking EXTREMELY FLAWED AND STIFF martial arts that are also INCOMPLETE for the streets! And the more of thee systems you add, the more flaws and stiffness you add as well! That is one reason why JKD doesn't work well in the streets because it uses very little actual wing chun (the incomplete modified system), and loads of crappy, flawed systems. With wing chun, you have your hands in the center, so it doesn't matter how fast he is because YOU control the center and he won't be able to get in because you will make IMMEDIATE contact with the arm, then, depending on the direction and type of strike, enter in to finish the fight QUICKLY!
@@mightymeatmonsta ehh. I disagree. Size matters but it isn't the deciding factor. And Wing Chun is good but it is up to the practitioner to execute what he's/ she's learned properly. My cousin met an exchange student who practiced Wing Chun, they sparred, and he said he was pretty good. Said he wasn't used to his style. But there is no "best" martial art. There are martial arts that are best in certain situations, such as jiu jitsu when the fight goes to clinch or the ground, or wing Chun when the fight takes place in a bathroom stall (never know when you might get jumped 😂). I wonder if you were being sarcastic with the enthusiasm of Master Wong 🤣 but this is my reply if you were serious.
@@JamesReborn2023 No, size does not matter! TWC guys are typically smaller than their opponents and beat them senseless! YOU MUST KNOW THE ENTIRE TRADITIONAL SYSTEM FOR IT TO WORK PROPERLY! If you know the MODIFIED system, then you do not know wing chun! Not the correct system, anyway. Yes, there is. It is called TRADITIONAL WING CHUN and it is FAR SUPERIOR to any system! READ MY COMMENTS! THAT WILL EXPLAIN WHY! I AM NOT REWRITING THE WHOLE FUCKING THING BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE REFUSE TO READ MY COMMENTS! Jiu jitsu is CRAP for the streets! It only works on inexperienced fighters and scream queens! Same goes for MMA, boxing, kickboxing, tkd, karate, JIU JITSU or any other boxing derivative, including second-rate JKD! TWC has wing chun grappling, which is the same thing as jiu jitsu (they use the same techniques), but they use the ten concepts as well! It also has locks and throws, arm bars, sweeps, palm strikes, elbows, knees, kicks, as well as WEAPONS TRAINING and MULTIPLE OPPONENT TRAINING, which NO BOXING DERIVATIVE HAS! SO THIS MAKES IT WORTHLESS ON THE STREETS! GET IT? YOUR CRAPPY AND INCOMPLETE TRAINING WILL NOT PROTECT YOU FROM ANYONE WITH A WEAPON OR MULTIPLE OPPONENTS! AT LEAST IF YOU TRAIN IT, YOU HAVE A MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF SURVIVAL THEN IF YOU DON'T!! GET IT?????
I'm a karate practitioner and recently we had 4 body builders come to try out with us, but they didn't last, these blokes were a lot bigger and stronger then most of us but the problem was their endurance was bad, we'd spar with them and after 30 seconds of them literally throwing full power punches at us most of which were highly telegraphed so easily avoided they were exhausted and had to walk off the mats
They got lucky. I knew Taekwondo dudes who seriously injured huge bodybuilders, and a few ribs broken on tough guys who decided to fight against Wing Chun. Apparently, people who punch hard things every day punch harder than guys who only lift, who might have guessed? XD
Yes, this follows logic. But a non bodybuilder trying karate sparring for the first time would also get winded after 30 seconds.
But now what would happen if you and I had the same skill level at Karate and you were 15 cm taller than I, 40kg heavier than I and able to lift twice he amount of weight I could?
Well, I would most likely lose to you wouldnt I?
Point here is: people that arent used to intensive sparring will get tired after a short while no matter id they are bodybuilders or nor
It's not that hard to grab someone if they are wearing clothes (it is much harder in MMA where you are trying to grab a mostly naked slippery person, but even there fights tend to go to ground pretty quick). The point is that big, strong people are very dangerous even if they don't really know how to fight.
@@ninjafruitchilled you are so naive
@@psychicsidekick1858 What's that supposed to mean? You think big, strong people are not dangerous? And you are calling *me* naive?
I really appreciate your honest and logical approach to answering this question. It seems that technical ability has a higher probability of succeeding in a fight. However, you can't discount size and strength. Basic physics can and will effect how a fight plays out.
Speaking of David and Goliath matches...David defeated Goliath because of his skill. During his years of being a shepherd, he practiced using his sling, a weapon they used back then to ward off predators to protect the sheep. It was basically artillery, a weapon also used in war with deadly accuracy. David used his time wisely in the field, a routine most people would find extremely boring. Honing his technique, he was an expert marksman who actually was more than a match.for the heavy armor wearing Goliath, who had to be led down to the battle area because of poor eyesight and complications due to his form of giantism.
Have you ever thought of attending an acting school? You have both presence and wit, I can see you doing very well.
Hey brother I love your intelligence and your video content you tell the truth from your own view which is good to see you now days
I like how these two questions were grouped together. One question that always comes to my mind is how likely one is to ever run into a black belt level fighter who's also a "black belt" level bodybuilder or strongman? Both pursuits take a lot of time, effort, and money, so what are the odds of coming across someone who's gone that far down both paths? And beyond that, someone who's balancing and staying on top of both at the same time? More often than not, dangerously strong bodybuilders are probably doing bodybuilding instead of martial arts, not on top of it. In other words, pitting a karate expert against a competitive bodybuilder really does belong in the same category of scenarios as pitting a karate expert against an expert from another style.
Believe it or not there are big guys that are insanely strong and are also super good at fighting. Just look at heavyweight divisions bro
Here is the match Josh Barnett vs Ricardo Almeida: th-cam.com/video/hEuTJiQfcbY/w-d-xo.html
I couldn't find a video with a worse quality. Sorry for that!
I think a big advantage lighter guys have is endurance. Even when both are trained well, moving all that mass and powering all that muscle takes a lot of energy, so bigger guys tend to wear out quicker.
true but in a self defence situation it doesnt matter, if the bigger guy has had any stamina training. since the fight will not be 30minutes anyways so him using more energy for that 3 minutes does not matter in any significant way.
Don't really know from an mma point of view but from straight bjj guys with less muscle mass tend to be a lot more flexible. Most guys that can actually get a triangle or anything going from their guard on me are built like scarecrows.
@@89PigDestroyer I cant sit down fully in guard because my calves and hamstrings are too big.
But as far as endurance I train in the gym 3 hours a day, so 2 hours rolling is nothing
the biggest lie ppl want to believe because it is so incredibly convenient for their own confidence is that size doesnt matter. As for david vs goliath fights, i remember Fabio Gurgel vs Mark Kerr and Pedro Sauer vs some bodybuilder. In both cases the size mattered a lot but one time the small guy could overcome the bigger one and one time not.
Search 'Jouko Salomäki' from youtube, and one will find a wrestling match between a top wrestler vs 140kg bodybuilder. Now, that was a wrestling match, not a real fight, but educational nevertheless.
I Know im latte but this ppl have ego problema Big dudes Are not strong. Blahhh... Go workout don.t be forever the small guy.. wtf HIT THE GYM NOW!
a good and differentiated answer. ~ like always
The best fighting style is diplomacy and having lots of money. Second is my world renowned form of ninjitsu called Grand Galactic Comet Do. I have yet to meet an opponent who can withstand my deadly Anus Jab, utilizing Dim Mak knowledge to cause an instantaneous prolapse.
Long have I searched for a Master who could teach me the secrets of Jab of One Thousand Anuses.
Very good video! Any young healthy young man can hit a 400lbs squat, 500lbs deadlift and 300lbs bench drug free. This will make a huge difference. I can not understand why people do not get this. If someone is serious about martial arts this should be one of your primary goals. You will kick like a horse!! And you will be a hell of a lot more durable and you will be able to take a good beating and power your way out of situationes.
You sound like a non-camp version of BATMAN from the 60's TV show :-D
Dude was born to write audiobooks lol
Don’t fight anyone who does manual labor
Ben Quinney They have endurance and strength. Plus they can take a hit.
My friend does but he smokes heavily, has a terrible diet and doesn't know a lot about martial arts
Yeah, farm-workers have “freakish” strength & endurance compared to the average person. From the late-1800s to the mid-1900s, Notre Dame’s collegiate football team was made up of mostly “farm-workers” whose dominance on the field was attributable to the physical conditioning that farming gave them. These guys did farm work for the 7 to 8 months out of the year that they weren’t playing football.
@@Scorch1028 yup , a laborer with big calves and forearms is one to avoid....lol
@mryupjup I would take a 250lbs Manual labor construction worker over your basic low skilled 160lb mma guy .
The same bodybuilder that fought Pedro Sauer barley lost to a karate sensei. That shows that yes strength DOES matter in a fight. Even though the karate master won, he barley won.
Thanks man for answering my question ❤️
Hi coach Ramsey. Greetings from a Belgian guy on holidays in Thailand. Thanks for your amazing channel and great advice.
I like when you said "suggestions to increase our odds of winning."
You should make a video telling us a full weeks worth of in-depth fighter training. keep up the good job brother
That would be awesome!
What I need, and is almost impossible to find except for a couple of groundwork jiujitsu videos, is a discussion of how a big and strong, but slow, guy should fight a fast and skilled guy. There are lots of videos on how to fight a taller or bigger guy, but little to help the older, slower, bigger types. It is all very well for boxers to say "work on your jab", but what if the smaller guys gets inside? In TKD (WTF version), if a smaller and quicker guy gets inside, then you are in real trouble. Karate gives you more weapons (and in shotokan you can punch to the head), but it still is a big problem for big, slower strikers. When I am sparring in Karate or kickboxing, repetition and timing count for a lot, but, being a slow, old guy (albeit pretty big), against the better fighters I often feel like that Leonard Cohen line -- "the only thing I learned from love, was how to shoot at someone who outdrew you...". How do you fight an opponent who outdrew you?
That is a great question!
Hmmm... what if the smaller guys gets inside? If he gets through my jabs I start hooks. If he get past that we ain't boxing anymore are we?
So you think that if Lennox Lewis had been able only to exchange hooks with David Tua he would have won? I don't think so -- instead he clinched, and then did everything he could to get back out of Tua's range. SO now imagine that the shorter guy inside is much faster than you and has good defence.
I'm talking about what I would do. If some one wants to get that close to me we are going to the ground. The place where I would have the advantage again. Why does everyone assume hooks are for only boxers?
I concede -- you are totally right. Size has its advantages, especially in that situation, but I have seen a lot of smaller wrestlers mess up big guys with speed and technique. So that is still the challenge for someone like me.
I have been practising kung fu for like 6yrs and on. I used to be a bodybuilder before from my early teen until I joined first martial art class in my 22. Then I was told in order to be flexible and speedy in a sparring I must lose some weight, relax my muscle size and stiffness and must stop hitting gym. I was ok with that. But as the years went on and my belts went higher I started to realize even if my coach says a perfect technique is everything yet it is not everything. When two person applies same technique to each other with same experience and same accuracy, even a fool can see the heavier one wins. So imagine what! I started gymming again for an year and now I realize grappling is much more practical and applicable than striking. So I'm quitting kung fu and joining judo now. I believe may be my kung fu experience will make my judo work better? I train for my satisfaction only and I dont believe acting a superhero on the street!!
I like what you said in one of your videos postural bodybuilding is what we need not social bodybuilding. Thank you coach never will I forget this tip in my second session of body training for my second martial art.
Try wrestling
In essence the question is: how many weight classes can skill compensate for? It's definitely not infinite. Light weights of most martial arts would still get wrecked by strongmen who can easily be 2.5-3x heavier with plenty of functional strength. At that discrepancy technique stops mattering. But there still comes a point when a significantly lighter but higher skilled fighter can endure long enough, land a knockout, or find a submission.
The Mountain "sparring" with Connor McGregor was interested to watch in that regard. And Fedor Vs Aoki, although Fedor of course has no lack of technique.
With good skills, it is said that you can compensate for 1.5 time your weight, maybe a bit more. So in theory with my weight being 67 kg I could go against a 100 kg dude, maybe more.
Bodybuilding is not a fighting sport. That's like asking if a martial artist can beat a Tennis player.
The better question Would be he would be better at swimming the boxer, the fighter, or the tennis player? The answer is the rock climber.
As he mentioned in the video, he took the qeustion as David vs goliath. In short: David can only win if he got far more specific experience fighting big strong guys. If David is lacking this specific exp, Goliath does crush David all the time.
When I started my MMA training, one of my friend's GF was a "trained" boxer and wanted to show how good she was and asked to spar with straight boxing. Even being a novice and just learning to target openings I was able to knock her out multiple times with little effort due to my being able to absorb her blows and be patient. In my story, I happened to be the Goliath to this skinny chick.
Goliaths are people too!
Ramsey Dewey absolutely! 😎
"Knock her out multiple times"??? Does she have permanent CTE damage from all that? That's a cute story though.
U fighting girls ...
Sounds intense
This is one of your best videos Ramsey, thank you.
People who say size doesn't matter are most ridiculous. They probably think its a movie trope that muscles help you in fights.
Muscle is just a channel. Real power comes from the brain. That's why fighters of the same constitution can have different power levels.
Damn why the thumbnail looking like hes saying "it was this big".
@emperor Not really.
You don't know physics and post nonsensical crap.
I'm a 110kg bodybuilder. I've worked out for around 20 years. I have some history of judo, boxing and tae kwon-do, but I never got any far in either discipline. I have a decent boxing technique and I know how to use my whole body in order to maximize the punch. Well for an amateur anyway. I used to fight a lot as a teenager though so I'm not afraid of a scruffle. My experience is that martial artists aren't really that much of a problem until they reach a certain weight. When they reach around 85-90kg a trained martial artist becomes a problem. That's where you just can't mop the floor with him and pull him into the positions you want using raw strenght. At the same time he knows how to hurt you and he's got the weight behind his kicks and punches. This might anger many but these 60-70kg guys are usually walkovers regardless of their level of technique. A friend of mine is a 7 dan karate athlete. He was maybe around 80-85kg at the time. We were doing some light sparring in his gym and he was doing high kicks close to my face. As soon as the bell rang I alway ran straight on top of him and wrestled him down with brute force. There was just nothing he could do. You just don't play to a martial artists strenghts. You play to yours and if that's strenght then you brawl him.
soo true... but ppl and they ego.They just need to hit the gym. be the big guy and sto trash talking guys who are.
Hey do.you know if you're friend does the traditional karate weight training like the gripping jars And stone padlocks and Chi ishi?
@@justinfilipovic8939 No I don't think so but he's training a lot of crossfit the last few years.
Head strikes in most Karate competitions are illegal? ........ where are you watching tournaments fights? :-) I only know of Kyokushin where that's illegal.
Matt Mosley someone with intelligence , thank you
WRX4life u mean knowledge? Albert Einstein was intelligent but i doubt he knew much about karate....
They’re illegal in some but not all
@@wrx4life477 Intelligence is the innate ability to attain greater knowledge, it is something you are born with. The better your intelligence, the easier it is for you to learn.
Im wearing tights that I borrowed from your mum. Man fuck of, I never said or meant for someone to make the interpretation that one is better then another I simply addressed the fact that most of the people in the comment section know next to nothing about karate but I am sorry for misinterpreting intelligence for knowledge it was a mere error on my side
When I was still practicing taekwondo i had to spar with the instructor who was like 30 cm taller than me. Naturally, his legs were considerably longer so that just lifting his knee could reach my head. That was scary, he also was national level fighter. It was difficult to even reach him because he knew how to move
I came here from a video of a bodybuilder winning a medal at a jujitsu competition with zero jujitsu experience
These questions are always tough to answer. As someone who has studied the fight game since UFC 6. When someone asks questions like this I know there is no short answer like they want. There are so many variables from techniques, to athletic ability, physical ability, to situational, to style. Before getting into the art we have to know the physical ability involve. Who has heavy hands, who has a weak chin or granite chin, who has cardio, height and reach, etc. people are so clueless at what goes into the outcome of two people fighting that it really takes a lifestyle to experience and understand how complicated a fight can be. A body builder can be a horrible fighter. But he can also be born with heavy hands and a granite chin and natural fight and even grappling instincts.
In the question here. I would have to use stereotypical versions. Karate has worked in the UFC when someone tends to have massive speed advantages to maximize their striking, defense and distance to avoid takedowns. Not something all karate guys will have. They also tend to not be very tough on average because the art lacks contact and that attracts the types who are wanting to avoid it. Boxers not so much. Even if you settle on a rep of that style. Styles make fights. You can be very good and even better and not be a match for the way a lessor guy decides to fight you. Every variable changes things. What if the strong man decides to slam you on the concrete? Not all would even think of doing it. That alone makes them very dangerous. Just an impossible question. But if you are fighting someone that big you should be aware of the danger and the fact win or lose you are going to have to work for it and take a beating. To win you might have to take that beating for 3 minutes before they gas. Do you have that cardio? Do you have that chin? Do you have that toughness? When they gas do you have anything left to make them quit or knock them out? You can create the perfect boxer in all areas except give him a weak chin and you will never hear of the guy. He would get weeded out as an amateur. That’s just one variable and it can take someone from the best ever to a nobody!
You're average bodybiilder will beat your average karateka, IMHO. There's a lot of difference between the guy who does this one or two times a week, and the guy who does this dedicatedly. I wouldn't want to take on a dedicated karateka, any more than I would want to take on a dedicated Judoka. They are fit, extremely so. And the chances are they've learned atemi or something, it goes with the territory.
Ramsey, you're my new favorite TH-cam channel. I really enjoy you're perception on many topics and I see you blowing up real soon. 250k subs in the next year. Cheers!
Guys, check out videos with female professional fighters sparring novice male fighters or just athletic guys. In most of them, the female fighter has a hard time and the male fighter usually goes easy on them. Unless they are almost the same size. So you see, just the technique is not enough to K.O. the opponent but it is enough to keep you alive.
It depends on what type of bodybuilding it is
The modern-day bodybuilder who relies on steroids with don't even compete have pretty much low cardiovascular system
The old-fashioned bodybuilders Who train for strength power growth athletic performance and cardiovascular system
Then it's a total different fight
Great analysis!!!
Technique, in my mind, is simply the knowledge of how to use what strength you do have, it just helps a damn lot When there's a lot of strength there. Taking some time to learn how the muscles and joints move and work together has proven to be an immense boon to me in my martial arts experience. The most easy example that comes to mind is the punch; a weak guy with a perfectly executed punch can strike much harder than a much stronger guy with a crappy throw, this applies to practically everything.
This is all based upon my experience anyway
It's really hard to fight against a bigger, larger man. In boxing, I often train with bigger guys. Even if they're beginners, it's really difficult to find a good position to stryke them.
Karate-expert vs. completely unexperienced bodybuilder would win. I saw a lot of big guys who did absolutely not understand how to put their bodyweight and their power behind a punch.
I had that experience with several guys who had muscles like Arnold in his best years but their strikes were so weak, that it couldn´t hurt a kitten. And they did not at all have the mindset a fighter needs.
But what I experienced too, is, that if such a bodybuilder does just half a year in training martial arts, he can turn into an unstoppable machine, because then, he gets an idea how to use his force on an opponent.
Sarariman23 then that bodybuilder would have to lose some of their muscle because their body would have to adapt to throwing strikes and lifting people.
karate guy will hit him in the face but what if he grabs him in the same time, i big strong guy can miss but if smaller guy miss or throw a punch that the bigger guy can absorb then he will be hitted,
Geoff Thompson was a 9stone Karateka and scored numerous knockouts against bodybuilders, powerlifters and rugby players whilst working doors in the UK. Strength helps, mindset matters more.
He wasn't 9 stone on the doors he was about 15 stone.
I love the way you explain things I’ve never even an instructor with such a correct point of view if that makes sense like how you said just because you have technique doesn’t give you powers it’s just a higher chance of success in a fight, I’m sick of people saying size doesn’t matter it doesn’t mean just cause ours huge you’ll win but it’s a big advantage when someone can hit and kick you from a position where you can’t even get in close to them, fuck me I wish I lived in China you needa train me😭😂
Its true that some styles of karate have judo technichs for example Goju ryu which is the style i practice
I also do judo takedowns and throws in shito ryu
Good sound response. Im in agreeance with basically everything youve said
When you throw in kicking, it does change the game.
Lifting, is a skill beleive it or not, Not everyone can lift. Therefore, lifting every day would be the same as doing martial Arts everyday. Must train mind, body, spirit.
Lol it's a skill, but not martial arts skill.
As a fifth Street gym, Miami Beach product since age 10, I also studied 3 yrs of shōrin Ryū, under Shihan Moses Colon. Correct, we couldn't strike to the face, but we were allow to check to the face, and strike the body. Even as a I began study this new discipline, it was clear that I had a clear advantage in regards to punching and defense. To answer the question, in many situations regarding hands, boxers have a clear advantage, however will become better overall strikers and adopting superior kicking techniques
When fighting a larger opponent, it is critical to stay relaxed. Be alert, but know that all other things equal, time is on your side.
Big muscly people can burn out quick, because they train for size and strength, not endurance.
Tire them out, be opportunistic, and for god's sake don't let them get on top unless your arm-bar/triangle game is gold.
The main problem with training with heavy opponents is injuries! If you don't have a very experienced expert heavy guy.. Most likely he is going to injure you! Especially in power grappling.. If you are a competitor you don't want to get injured.. And if you train to be healthy and have some self defense ability why do that? So only if the heavy guy that is able to control his power and understand what is dangerous and what is not... Then you can train... And then some reality situations are dropped out..Because they are too dangerous.
I am about 78 Kg I was training with 110kg guy grappling I tapped out once just because he was leaning full weight on my back and I felt really bad.
when I was a teenager (more than 40 years ago) I used to do judo. The club was known as a damn good one (we had a couple of England team members for teachers). Then one day a Canadian ex lumberjack named Bret Massey turned up. He was a freak of nature; 28, 6` 5" and about 22 stones of solid (natural) muscle as well as being a damn nice bloke. Think of a shaved bear and you`ve got him. I`ve only met one person in my entire life that was stronger. From the first he gave the teachers a very hard time in free fighting, nothing to do with Judo just because of his raw power and sheer athleticism. He`d beat most of the black belts and even some of the England team members lost to him and they were big, strong, fit guys in their own right. He`d literally just pick them up and throw them around like rag dolls. The main teacher was a guy called Barry who was about 14 stone of muscle and had superb technique after about 20 years of training. Even he struggled against Bret and had to be on his best game to beat him. One day a judoka named Angelo Parisi (look him up) turned up and free faught Bret. he beat him, just, but wow was it an epic contest, and Bret had only been doing judo about 3 months then. As an aside I moved and had to find another club. I was certainly no expert but a resonable judoka. I was 11 stone and at the new club was not only the youngest, but also the smallest. However I was used to fighting people much larger and stronger then me. I surprised a lot of them at how well I could cope with bigger fighters. Not saying I beat them all, I didn't, but I gave them a run for their money and they had to work. All of that was because I was used to sparring with a shaved bear.
My question is a down to earth one. Assuming you are a family man with limited time on your hands. Lets say you are able to train just three times a week. For the purposes of self defence only what art or system would you advise the to train in? And how would that compare to using that time to instead pursuing fitness training? So in essence if you could clone yourself and had one clone do the art or system and the other just do weights/running and fitness conditioning for say 18 months after that time who do you think would win in a fight? For my money I`d say the fitness guy. but after about three years I`d back the martial artist. be pleased to hear your thoughts. Regardless, love your channel. So much plain common sense.
That’s a really good question! Your bear friend Bret reminds of my friend Dave. He just squishes all these higher ranking guys easily all the time in jiu-jitsu. Physical fitness and Brute strength and a massive asset in fighting that get overlooked a lot.
Ramsey Dewey. Thx for your reply. Yes, size, strength, fitness and athleticism are often overlooked. But for my money there is one aspect that is seldom if ever talked about that is even more important. That is mental composure and the ability to think when under pressure. The best example I`ve ever seen is the rumble in the jungle where Ali out thought, not out faught Foreman. lol, another question, how can you train to develop mental composure?
The problem is that your friend Bret had trained Judo for three months so he was familiarized with the art in a certain level, therefore the question that I ask to myself is ¿ what would had happened if Bret would had fought with the black belts for the first time without any experience in Judo?
But my CHI attack can take down the whole bodybuilders lineage in a single breath
You have to BREATH?! Your chi is weak, talk to me when they tremble from your AURA!!!
32 years love training and teaching.......technique+strength+ timing win the day, every day. Good video bro.
Ramsey, your videos are awesome. You are like a blend of philosopher and fighter which is ideal in my mind. Would love to get out there and train some more martial arts, but COVID sucks big time in the USA right now.....
As a big dude (6-2 260), I am biased. I have trained karate, some boxing and LOTS of heavy weight lifting (I weighed about 315 pounds at my strongest); and 4 years of hard labor doing carpentry before the weight lifting. Size does matter, but, I have found that it is easier to hurt yourself in training if you are bigger. I would say correct technique is even MORE important if you are bigger. I have to watch my form while hitting the heavy bag or I can overextend my shoulder, or bust my wrist. Good form is a must when lifting heavy weights as well. I screwed up my back from getting too big, too top heavy, and my lumbar disc between L4-L5 has a bulge, which sucks.
To sum up, a bigger person is absolutely going to hit harder and have more grappling power, that is simple physics. That being said, the smaller opponent with superior technique can win in a fight. But I also argue that if the bigger person has good technique and form (which I think they must in order to ward off injury), it is going to be awful hard for the smaller person to win. Just like Ramsey stated in one video about Bruce Lee vs Muhammed Ali.....Ali wins every time! Lee was an incredibly skilled athlete, but Ali was also extremely skilled, and way stronger. This is a no brainer. Again, if you are bigger, train carefully and not mess yourself up (especially shoulders and lower back) trying to lift a mountain of weight, or do a million punches in a heavy bag session or whatever it might be. Go easy and work up.
Smaller guy should always keep distance and use the better cardio a smaller person should have to tire out a body builder. I’ll always put my money on a small trained striker with good footwork and the space to use it over a bigger body builder any day, although in a street fight anything is possible
Mr. Ramsey why don’t most M.A. schools prepare (in physical and mental effort) students for real world situations like the movies, like Cobra Kai (no pun)?
In my limited experience bodybuilders punch relatively weak.
100 true,unless they have 1 hr of a boxing class then it is a hard punch, then they tire out.
Because they are too muscular and cannot punch. Its kind of funny
Yeah, they lack technique. But give them a couple hours of training and they will suddenly punch REALLY hard
Yeah but they don't have to punch you, they just need to crush you or strangle you.
That is a myth, a bodybuilder punches way harder and faster than an average joe, and If u look at boxers and ufc fighters some of them actually looks like a bodybuilder. But its individual, If a bodybuilder has trained punching he can throw fast and heavy hands, If not. Maybe not.
Have you ever read the comments on the David vs Goliath matches on youtube? There are a lot of people who completely miss the point of the videos and imply that any smaller guy can beat a guy twice their size with "some" training.
I'm glad you talk about size and strength mattering. So tired of people saying it makes no difference, I have heard so many people say that
Size, strength, and weight matter. Bodybuilding, however, tends to emphasize the shape of muscles, and not what fighters train in. Also, you can be very strong even if not defined like a bodybuilder (and some fat men can be very strong). Ergo strength training isn't necessarily the same as bodybuilding. In fact, he mentions that there’s a difference in training in this video.
I know size and strength matter. That’s why I said that I dislike when I hear others suggesting that strength does not matter
@@joshuaspector8182 I agree, sorry if that wasn't clear in my response. My point is that this debate -- like many -- is often oversimplified.
Yeah I agree with that. It’s hard to get a full well communicated idea out in a TH-cam comment with like ten words. 😂
Question for Ramsey - what about strength vs size? I've seen some smaller guys that are actually stronger than significantly bigger guys. I think you alluded to this in the statement that bodybuilders tend to be the weakest of the strength athletes. There are some freaks out there that are extremely strong for their size. How does that factor in when the smaller guy is actually stronger than the bigger guy?
Physical fitness is the foundation of all sports. Cant beat a man who doesn't get tired
Well you can. It’s just harder.
Both are great. You can win with both. You can as a bodybuilder and can as a karetka. Both technique and strength are great. You can win with strength alone. You can also win with technique alone.
Size matters in combat sports. In a self defense situation, running away wins. I've out run plenty of big body builders in the Army and the Marine Corps Marathon.
Also, avoiding being grabbed is easy with a little Aikido. Trying to grab a competent martial artist is insanely difficult regardless of strength. They're too slippery.
i watch ur videos all the way from Bangladesh...and i have so many questions....i just dnt know where to start...btw, love ur channel
From Bangladesh too
I don't remember the man's name but I have heard an amazing story about a boxer from ancient times who was an extreme defensive genius. He would evade block and perry his opponent's strikes and often win fights without striking his opponents.
Willie Pep once won a round without throwing a punch. Not a whole fight though.
You mentioned that having taekwondo background made you unaccustomed to boxing and that was difficult at first. In your experience does e.g. boxers shifting to kickboxing or mma similarly be uncomfortable fighting kickers, receiving kicks or understanding the range? How about grapplinb people?
Coach Dewey: technique isnt magical
Me rolling with skinny bjj black belt: you lied coach! You lied!
Hahahahaha!!! Magic is just science we don’t understand.
Strength...Analyze the Weak points. Capitalize on lack of Stamina. Use the Opponent's Weaknesses as your Strength.
In high school, I tried a year of wrestling, of which I had no experience and did terribly at, to try to broaden my horizons (worth it just for the efficacy of the sprawl). I have a very dense build. I'm 5'7", but my peak condition was when I weighed 210. I looked like I would only weigh 140 at the time. I was so compact, on three different occasions, when somebody tried to punch me in the shoulder or chest, they literally broke their hands.
Now, I didn't realize they were seriously trying to hit me and hurt me, when I trained with the two heavyweights, they spontaneously tried to strike me, which I blocked nonchalantly and it freaked them out. They could do a real number on me if grappling alone.
At the end of the season, I took the other guy in my weight category to a fight. I told him he could use any technique at all, whether it was wrestling or not and I told him I would do the same. He agreed, so I waited for him to move first. He shot in towards my leg. I simply sidestepped and kicked him in the shin as hard as I could. I was surprised I didn't break it, but it left him with a bone-bruise and he could not stand for over 10 minutes. I squatted down near him and asked him if he wished to continue. He said "No" and I waited for him to recover and helped him up.
Size - Eric Esh / Butterban. He is usually 20cm smaller than his opponents but he is also 180 kilos so he has the mass ands he is one of the best heavy weight boxers of all time cause if he hits its almost certainly KO. Now his MMA career is a lot less impressice, to his defens he was already old when he started it and he knows nothing about fighting on the ground, and he did loose against some quite smaller lighter guys as he just couldnt land his deadly punches
Excellent cheers and best wishes
Distance would be key with the boxer and body builder. In the red zone, punching distance, the boxer and body builder have the advantage. Outside the red zone Karateka probably has the advantage.
Good point here... Size matters a lot :D But the fact you´re big doesn´t make you invincible. Just remembered me one david/goliath fight - its Jerome le Banner vs. Nokveed Devy. Watch it here, you can see that without rules and experiences the fight would be short range, but as it goes on, the small thai guy keep still pushing on and I think he won that fight at the end...
Without even talking about technique one thing to consider.
Force Applied = Mass equals acceleration in square. Lots of time in striking martial comes into learning how to achieve that good acceleration of punches and kick. Also how to absorb damage. How to strike with right structure, how to not tense and eat power of strike. There is no such need in bodybuilding. Yeah they have that Mass part, but difference between those who can strike fast and with mass and those who don't is massive. Trained striker can deliver much more force then bodybuilder.
Power-lifters actually learn this stuff, so they are faster and therefore kick stronger.
Both prabably have distinctive advantage over karateka in grappling.
When I did Karate as a kid, we always learned to punch the head. I don't remember well what the competitions were like, but if you kicked the head, you had to stop just short of actually striking. If you did you got three points in a five point match. If you didn't you got a penalty.
Very true, except that size does not always equal strength.(but strength is certainly very important, size alone however can easily be used against you by a skilled opponent) Just for example I am not a "large" guy about 5'10 150. But from all of my hours of training/physical labor etc I am much stronger than I would appear to be, and have definitely been able to out work most larger people I have met, in some cases much much larger people. And these weren't out of shape weaklings, some were even on steroids lol. Tho as you pointed out simply increasing the size of the muscle like most body builders aim for does not really make the muscle much stronger (they will also tend to have weak tendons and ligaments and be more prone to injury) where as strong men etc typically do alot of "work"/manual labor type training wich will always give your muscles more actual strength although they are typically very massive guys as well, the average strong man would typically wipe the floor with the average body builder, or atleast have the ability to do so. But once you bring in aspects and mechanics of striking and fighting technique that can be a very different story if the smaller guy knows how to use his power for a fight and the other does not. Also just generally even someone from tkd or karate will have experience being hit, hard while most body builders have never been in a fight as most people were probably afraid of them and likely could not take a hit like a smaller guy with experience being hit could. Of course there will always be exceptions but just generally speaking
Taekwondo is the only martial art available where I live, the club seems to be legit with a long history of international competition and so on. Could you give any tips of making the best of such a situation? It would also be very interesting to hear your thoughts on taekwondo in general, you told us how it wasn't a very smooth transition, is it worth training at all?
Mr. Dewey I wish you the best in life. There are many scripted fighting styles or others call it "fake fighting" like Pro-Wrestling, Shoot Fighting & etc. Can this fighting styles translate or be used in real fighting matches? or Can athletes with these styles have chances to win in a real fighting matches using the fighting techniques they are trained with?
This is so true. I'm a small guy( +- 75Kg) but i did powerlifting and strongman for many many years, and one time I went to try some judo , and my fighting partners that had a lot more fighting experience but they were unable imobilize me because i could brake their locks and toss them aside. I was actually afraid of hurting them, it was a very traditional school, so they did zero weight training. I also have experience on the other side, at one point i start to boxing. After a year and a half of training i felt that I knew how to punch( I was still a rookie but I knew hoe to punch well). So I decided to do a mach against my cousin (also a porwelifter). He had zero experience in boxing, but he was around 95Kg. Just the figure was scaring, and when the punches started so come...boy oh boy. The strenght he had alone in his puches were in a hole new level. That was when i understood, in person, why there are so many weight classes. Strength and size matter A LOT in a fight.
Thought you were gonna say, There aren’t no stupid questions; only stupid people😂
I know a shotokan karate teacher that goes climbing with me... He is over 40 years old... I bet my ass he can beat a body builder in hand to hand... But thr fact that he already look like a heavyweight kivk boxer and his legs are as wide as my torso could be the reason...
Size does NOT equal strenght. Muscle mass (volume) might help to absorb some damage, but usually strongest people - either directly, or per mass - rarely have imposing physiques. Also muscle mass consumes oxygen. Irony is, that winning early and quickly is most important for both lightest and heaviest competitors.
if a bodybuilder practices technique and learns to snap his punches/kicks he can be formidable but also would need to know about head movement/footwork/spacing.
What is the best martial art for self defense? I love your videos. Keep up the good work.
@ Ramsey Dewey Do you think BJJ can help a female fight off a sexual assault attacker with submissions, locks and other BJJ techniques? Or is self defence in this scenario more brutal with things like biting, scratching etc
Yes, and yes.
I do Sanda and in my gym almost all of the other students are at least 20 kg heavier and taller. I believe that sparring and grappling with them has taught me a lot.
strength training is a very traditional part of Karate and also now Modern MMA, Body Building is for show but if they are strength training also (and even a Bodybuilder can add a lot of strength) and have fighting ability , who knows, its all relative
Seriously though, it's one of those things where if you're ready for a big opponent you can still caught off guard. I grew up holding my own against guys bigger than me. One guy in particular would complain that I could turn him into a pretzel.
At my last unit while I was in the Corps there was a guy who had about 30 lbs on me but he was beyond brutishly strong. His team found that even though he had no skill he was powerful enough to keep me busy in our 6 v 6 mad scrambles during MCMAP training.
Everything you say is true but sometimes you can overthink things. I like to rely more on intuition and instinct. I use peripheral vision and look for openings. Like when you were talking about hesitating against the boxer, hesitating too long in a fight is not a good thing, you have to know when to let those hands go.
Strength with technique is like a boat without paddles, I've been in altercations with body builders in the past, knee kicks work a charm, low leg kicks and jaw shots if you can get close enough, just try to keep your distance that's crucial, usually they gas out like 30 or Forty seconds into the fight and become weak and sloppy very slow as well just get them to run around a bit.
Youve never been in a real fight in your life, you fucking punk. The only way someone will gas out before a minute is if they are a senior citizen who happens to be dying of cancer at the time. And yeah knee kicks work on everyone. The problem is that kicking out someone's knees in an otherwise fair fight will get you about ten years in fucking prison. Fuck you, dude. You dont know what the fuck you're talking about. Clown
Good example of this is houston jones vs wonderboy and sensei seth