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- It's pretty easy to make a new DESS key for your personal watercraft jetski when you've got a Candoo Pro. In this video we show you how to make a new key for a Sea-Doo GTR 215.
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Did this today, the process has changed a little due to an updated software. Thanks.
Love it!! Great value to your viewers. Thanks for sharing!
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Great video! Subscribed! What years if any is this approach limited to?
We aren't aware of any limitations. Contact Candoo pro directly and they will be able to tell you. Good luck, and thanks.
3Ft Deep. first I want to say much blessings to you and the knowledge u been sharing with others.
As for me I have a question. I lost my Seadoo 150 speedster boat key. Bad thing is the boat is no longer in the USA.
So I cant get it back to the dealer here in the USA to get them making key for it. So I buy a DESS key in hand.
My question is, Can it still be program without having the original key?
Thanks for the kind words. Unfortunately, we don’t know of any other way to program a new key unless you have a working key, other than going to an authorized dealer. This is an anti-theft strategy from Sea-Doo. Good luck!
@@3ftDeepChannel 😳😬😩 Oh Lord I don't know what to do now. Having a boat without a key is no fun. Thanks you 3ft deep for your reply.
I have a candoo pro that i use for my rotax powered jet boat. I am buying a seadoo that has 1 broken key but it still works. What cable are you using to program the key. I dont think i have that cable with mine.
It’s the cable that came with the Candoo Pro. Check your instructions and make sure you have all the hardware you need for your model. Good luck
My WakePro 215 dash will not light up. The relay clicks in the fuse box in the back. How do you test the key or the post? Any other ideas?
Do you got any beeps when you put the key in? Have you tried a second key?
Hello I hope you will see my his message…I got a no working 2002 seadoo bombardier with a locked up motor and no key I have all the paperwork, I’m in GA and I would like to get this working I need a key to start off with…where can I get all this setup?… because for some reason the few local businesses said they don’t work on it because it’s too old.
As far as we know, the only place to get a key made without another key is at a Sea-Doo dealership. Any respectable dealership should be willing to do it for you. Those key systems are very common. Good luck.
This is all good for adding an additional key, what if you don't have old key?
For anti-theft reasons you need at least one original key, otherwise you will have to go to an authorized Sea-Doo dealer to have one made. Good luck.
@@3ftDeepChannel thanks, unfortunately that's what I thought. Think I'll keep looking a bit longer, lol 🤣
If I'm replacing my DESS post on my 2003 GTX, does the new one have to be programmed?
No programming required.
Would this work for key on BRP Snowmobile? (2012 Grand Touring Sport)
I’m not sure. You should contact Candoo pro directly to find out. Good luck.
how does this work on a 2000 gti . it doesnt have a power up settting, you just put the key in and push start...? how would you make a new key?
A computer is still recognizing the specific key, so you still need to program an additional one to actually start up the engine.
Great video vary educational was your device used just for the key only or to do programing for other functions and where did you purchase the programer at sea Doo?
The device can be used to make keys, diagnose problems, reset maintenance minders, check faults, etc. We use it regularly. We ordered it directly from Candoo. The licenses are a bit expensive, so it's good to split the cost with someone else. Sea-Doo doesn't sell them.
3ftDeep thanks vary helpful. I believe there license because the emissions control.
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So if I have the learner key can I still get it made?
Not sure. Haven’t tried that before. If in doubt, contact Candoo pro directly. Good luck.
How much would you charge to program a learner key for a 2011 gtx 260 limited?
Sorry, we’re not a dealer so we only have a few licenses for ourselves.
Does this also work on Sea Doo jet boats or does that take a different type of connector? Thank you very much.
I believe they're the same, but you should confirm directly with Candoo Pro.
@@3ftDeepChannel Thank you. I've been trying to confirm with many different outlets, including BRP and nobody can say for sure.
Hi, i have 2014 ski doo in India but unfortunately i lost my key, now there is no dealership in India Region. Is it possible that i send you the ECM and other required parts and if you can programme me a new key?
Sorry, we don’t offer a service like that. We suggest that you contact the people at CandooPro to see what can be done. Good luck.
Thank you very much! One question, can you program at learning key to a normal key?
I think you can, but we haven't tried that before. I suggest you give CanDoo Pro a call directly to confirm.
3ftDeep this is the reply i got via email:
“No difference between a learning and normal, other than color...
Just delete the learning and add it back as normal.”
Just to let you know :)
Thanks very much for the info, Heri.
Can this tool check (check engine lights) and clear them
Yes. It can often also tell you what the problem is. Good luck.
@@3ftDeepChannel thank you
hi, I Seadoo 3d that i lost the key, can you help ? as the dealer asking for ridiculous price
much appreciated
You can make a key with a candoo pro, but unfortunately you need a key to do that. The dealer is the only other way we know of to make a key for your machine without a key. Good luck.
This item they support start from with year of Seadoo jet engine? thanks
Sorry, I don’t understand your question. Can you re-phrase it?
@@3ftDeepChannel For example, models lower than 1999 cannot be used, apologize some mistake. thanks
Ah, yes. Most of our videos involve 4 Stroke engines so are relevant to 2002 models and earlier.
Where do u get the can doo pro
candoopro.com
Is that the x-module on your diagnostic connector?
Yes it is. Good eyes!
@@3ftDeepChannel That's good to know... I haven't been able to find any good information. Definitely looking closely 🤣
i have a wake pro 215 that states "reading key" message and is stuck in limp-mode while operating it. Any ideas before i drop $$$ on the Candoo diagnostic tool??
Have you tried a second key? Also, check for codes by referencing the Owner's Manual on the process to get more details on the problem. It could be a problem with the key, the post, or the software on your machine. Let me know what you find.
@@3ftDeepChannel i ordered a new key and post. i dont like throwing parts but they take a while to get here. for the price idc and im trying to be on water this weekend. i got the tool (CANDOO) coming as well. should be here tomorrow. In the mean time ive been checking connection and wires but havent found any corrosion or chaffing. The message will display "reading key" all the time even if i'm underway. It may or may not be in limp mode, i dont see any indications that is other than low end speed is missing. So maybe in normal mode. still does 62 mph. I got to looking around and i see some small crack in the cluster so I'm thinking the internal components shorted and is pulling comm down between cluster and ecu. I dont know how its still operation but i know computers can do unusually things when damages or faulty. ill let everyone know my finding in a couple days.
Okay, good luck. Keep in mind that you will need at least one good key to use the CanDoo Pro. Unless the software has changed recently. It's an anti-theft strategy.
so i received my candoo hardware today and connected to vehicle. I havent done much diagnostic work besides pulling codes and I'm getting nervous. The u codes are mostly pointing to cluster replacement or ECU. I just bought this machine from a Dealer with 52 hrs and have rode less than 3 hrs. not happy. if its the
cluster does it need to be programmed 2010 wake pro 215??
P062C Status:Active ◦ Source:ECU ◦ Description:Loss Of Speed Reading from Cluster ◦ Solution:Note: Consult the service manual for details ◦
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U16A2 Status:Active ◦ Source:ECU ◦ Description:ECU timed out waiting for cluster on CAN bus - missing can id 230h ◦ Solution:Note: Consult the service manual for details ◦
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U16A3 Status:Active ◦ Source:ECU ◦ Description:ECU timed out waiting for cluster on CAN bus - missing can id 480h ◦ Solution:Note: Consult the service manual for details ◦
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U16AA Status:Active ◦ Source:ECU ◦ Description:ECU reported Cluster packet timeout ID 410h ◦ Solution:Note: Consult the service manual for details ◦
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U16A1 Status:Active ◦ Source:ECU ◦ Description:ECU timed out waiting for cluster on CAN bus - missing can id 514h ◦ Solution:Note: Consult the service manual for details ◦
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P0122 Status:Active ◦ Source:ECU ◦ Description:Throttle Positin Sensor or TAS out of range - short to ground or open circuit or Voltage too Low ◦ Solution:Note: Consult the service manual for details ◦
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U0457 Status:Active ◦ Source:iBR ◦ Description:CAN communications error iBR or iS waiting on message from Cluster (see source of fault) ◦ Solution:This may happen occasionally as Occurred
dealer quoted $2400 for cluster.throttle body and two senors. threw those parts on it and nope didnt fix.called me today said needs an ECM, Dealer did pay for repairs in full so im not too mad about being 4 weeks in shop. i bought used as a package deal from a BSM in ofallon,mo. Before i complained I was able to program new key. started and ran just had same reading key message. Hope this helps someone Check all inputs and outputs for these communication codes before buying parts. thanks
Question. Is the key actually being programmed or is the machine being programmed to recognize the key?
I believe the machine is being programmed to recognize the key. Good point, though.
@@3ftDeepChannel yep. I did some research and the machine can recognize up to 5 keys.
What if you have no key .. mine was lost in the lake only had one key
In that case, unfortunately you probably need to go to the dealer to get the key made up.
@@3ftDeepChannel By the way you need 2 keys, one to power up the ski while you program one. Then you could swap them and program the second
Ok, Lets think old school, Basically the engine needs 12 volts supplied to the coil to run, 12 volts to the solenoid to start. Does the computer control any timing advance to the engine?? Can anyone tell me why I cant run my own wires and completely eliminate the computer? I realize there wont be any bells and whistles but it would beat the scrap yard.
Let's preface this by saying anything is possible if you put enough time and money into it and I'm assuming we are talking about the 97GSX mentioned earlier.
Some googling will get you a wiring diagram for your machine which will show what is connected to the MPEM or brain, what happens in the MPEM is a little harder to figure out. For ignition the MPEM gets a signal from a pulse coil that is used to determine when to fire the ignition coil there is probably an ignition advance curve in there based on engine RPM the MPEM also uses this signal for the rev limiter and tach signal. The info gauge, trim and pretty much everything electrical runs through the MPEM so no easy task bypassing it even if you just want the basics. A lot of Seadoo models from that era used the same MPEM in different machines a 97GSX is not much different from a 97GTX so finding a replacement MPEM with key might not be too difficult.
Good luck.
@@3ftDeepChannel Could the pulse coil be used like a set of points in a distributor to send a timed ground to the ignition coil ?? I realize there would be no way to tune the spark like the computer does but it would still run. Maybe set up a vacuum advance on the pulse coil !!
You're a better mechanic than us if you're willing to go that far. Good luck!
Do you have to have a working key for this system to work
Yes
2 questions:
1) have y’all ever had one key for 2 skis? Or is that even possible
2) my ski has 4 keys total… how do I know which key is which?
Thanks
Ben
Here are your answers: 1) It shouldn’t be possible to have 1 key that works for 2 machines, as the “newer” machines are digitally associated with a unique key; and 2) Try out each key on each machine to find out which ones work and which ones don’t. Good luck.
@@3ftDeepChannel I have 2 2006 seadoo GTX’s. Is that what you consider “newer for question 1?
Yes, I’d consider those new enough that the keys should not be swappable between your two machines.
You can have a key or keys programmed for more than one machine. Not sure if the candoopro can do it but a dealer can. Nice to only have to have both machines keys programmed and a spare In the pickup glove box. This way if for some reason you left one of the keys out of one of the machines the spare key works for both machines.
@@robertgriggs6205 I’ll have to try on the candor pro
currently i am not able to install seadoo key in latest version. can you show me how to solve the problem. thank
We don’t plan on making a video on that at this point, so we suggest you contact CanDoo Pro directly with your issue. Good luck.
How to replace DESS Switch?
Unscrew it and screen new one in.
We have another video on that process.
It’s a little more involved than that.
What’s better Candoo or the BUDS/BUDS2 ??
We haven’t used the BUDS system so we can’t comment, unfortunately. We have been very happy with the candoo pro though. Thanks for your comment.
This work on 2019 rxtx300??
Yes
@@3ftDeepChannel I can program a new key on my ski whit this??
How I can download the software
Do you need hardware and software. Check out candoopro.com
Tried this today. 2009 seafood. When we went to “write to vehicle” the option on the menu was grayed out. Why would this be?
My understanding is with the new software, the changes are automatically applied so you don't need to write to vehicle any more. Check your ski out to confirm.
@@3ftDeepChannel nope did not work :-(
Which change are you trying to make? I recall having the same "write to vehicle", but it did end up working. And to confirm, you did purchase a license from Candoo for your machine?
Adding a key
Oh, that one's a bit finicky. We had the same problem, but it eventually worked. Fiddle a bit more and if it still doesn't work, give Candoo a call. Good luck!
Hello, how do iget the interface?
Go to candoopro.com
@@3ftDeepChannel price is $2200 that’s a lot
Do you need the home edition candoopro.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_11&products_id=1&zenid=93e79cfd215b5281e8068a1a1eb6a5c5
@@3ftDeepChannel thanks that’s better price) What about DESS post interface BRP B.U.D.S ever used?
@@3ftDeepChannel so that’s just for seadoo correct? I don’t see Yamaha or Kawasaki in description.
What if you lost all your keys
You will need to go to a dealer with your proof of purchase and make a new key.
Using a Candoo Pro?
Great product, but they limit you with what can be done. For the price, it shouldn't have a limit on the programs. I have had my skis for years and only have program left. I have a business and hate to knock anyone, but it is cheaper to go to the dealer since these models are getting outdated.
By “program” do you mean vehicle license? If so, I can understand the limitation, as they need to turn a profit given how much effort it is to develop this type of software.
OH YEAH SO SIMPLE YOU JUST NEED A COMPUTER AND THE SOFTWARE OH THAT DEVICE THING..... CABLES...... AND PROBABLY 1K -
Yes, you need a computer but that's about it. A used laptop goes for about USD $50 nowadays, so that's no big deal. If you can split the cost with a buddy, it pays for itself very quickly. You can add new keys, take off the Maintenance minder, troubleshoot, check for codes ...
@@3ftDeepChannel how much is it? And how do I find out more info and talk to someone?
I just purchased the home edition of the Can Doo pro box for $399 and got a blank DESS for $35, and thats about it, it was so simple and straight forward, the laptop I used was 6 years old i3 laptop that worth next to nothing now, total investment was $434 and I ended up with 2 extra DESS keys that would cost me north of 1K if I ever did it with the local dealer.
Oh, and I still have 3 extra license which I can use to create keys for $150 fee and I could get all my money back if I had to!
What the heck is that gonna help if you dont have the old key!!!!!!! and if i did why would i need a new one???
You normally get one regular key and one learner key with a new machine. If you lose either, you've got to go to the dealer to make a new one. It's also nice to have a spare. The reason you need to have at least one key is to prevent theft. If a thief steals your machine, he/she can't get a new one made, especially if you register your machine as stolen through the dealer network, like we did a few years ago.
So what do i do since i bought this used machine with no key. \
i have a 1997 seadoo gsx .. how do i know for sure that i have a Dess key assembly. I bought it used
You should call the people at Candoo Pro and ask them if you can work around their system. If not, you'll need to go to your dealer with your ownership papers. Good luck.
They were all D.E.S.S. at that time.
there over $1000, you get license to do only 4 seadoos, waste of money
Hmm. They used to be a lot cheaper.
$600 for a device when the dealer can prgram a DESS Key for $60 ...
Yes, but it has many other uses (clearing maintenance reminder codes, etc.). It also comes with 2 licenses, so you can split the cost with a friend.
In my location all dealers only carry the DESS software on-hand for ski's that are 10 yrs old and newer......older one's we are on our own (I've been told).
That really sounds like a load of crap. I’ve never heard of that.
this video should be titled "how to program a Dess key" not make one
You're right! Change made. Thanks for pointing that out.