ATC RECORDING Air India 101 incident at New York JFK Airport ILS Failure
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- Air India 101 operated by a Boeing 777-300ER had a multiple navigation instrument failure while on finals at New York's JFK Airport.
Kudos to the crew, ATC and ground staff for working efficiently as a team.
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The quality of this presentation "forced" me to subscribe.
The flight crew, and ATC, produced an almost 'divine' cooperation between each other. The apparent 'knowledge of aircraft's systems, navigation, and landing procedures - which needed to be utilized
I was an industrial engineer for Boeing, charged with avionics support, during the design, implementation, roll-out, and post delivery (first 100 deliveries) phases of the 777; for these reasons, I know the 777's avionics systems fairly well. With that said, today, and through this video, I've gotten my 'long awaited' confirmation, that the build process, and operational manuals, spelled-out procedures which were 'easily understood', and allowed the flight crew to execute/apply, and transform those written procedures into the physical operation of the aircraft.
FOR MYSELF, AND OTHERS, WE'VE RECEIVED THE "SPIRITUAL" PAYOUT - SOME TWENTY FIVE YEARS POST INCEPTION.
ATC- "What equipment have failed ?"
AI101- "everything"
ATC-" What equipment are working?"
AI101- "Only pilot"
And yet Air India 101 did not declare an emergency? Why not?
I thoroughly enjoyed listening to that tape. I was a Center controller for 23 years,
retired for over ten years. Listening to the professionalism between the pilot and ATC brought me back to control room in my mind and reminds me of what a great career I had the pleasure to be a part of.
Joe DiLalla i’m glad you’re happy with your career path
Do you think an emergency should have been declared? It seems a good deal of fuel could have been saved. A PAN call may have made the controller fully aware of the gravity of the situation sooner. This started to remind me of the Avianca crash.
I'm not concerned about the dollar of fuel saved, but fuel saving in terms of remaining options
@@slartybarfastb3648 Hi, As far as I can tell from the audio, they had about 15000 Lbs of fuel left. I'm not a pilot so I cannot translate how fuel critical he was. The weather was improving fairly quickly at his first alternate, EWR. The controller gave the pilot all his options. In this case, if the pilot didn't declare a minimum fuel emergency, the controller wouldn't either. I hope that helps answer your question.
How much can atc earn in starting6 years
ATC: Which instrument has failed?
AIC 101: *Everything*
ATC: Which instrument has failed?
AIC 101: YES
Toilet just went out so now finally we must declare an emergency landing.
It’s evident u didn’t understand the gravity of the problem. Most important things in radio communication is the number and confirmation. Else everything is trivial
@@Somd55 fuck off
These pilots and ATCs are amongst the best, we can be proud. No ILS, low fuel. RESPECT!
ATC -"What equipment have failed?"
AI101 - "YES"
Air India has such a terrible reputation in its home country. But these pilots! Wow!!!! Absolutely salute their professionalism and staying calm flying an aircraft that has lost most of the instrumentation they need for landing and low fuel on the ground! Amazing job
Air india has a terrible reputation when it comes to the service and luxury that some one expects from an international airliner apart from that they have the best of commercial pilots .All the nation complains is the amenities they provide and those ugly sick ass air hostes
ronnie_g how can this people fly plane so many defects
Given the choice between great service and terrible pilots or terrible service but great pilots I'd choose the airline with great pilots. I want to arrive safely.
mo kadir ILS is used in most airports for landing which is an automated landing system which relies on multiple instruments to keep it on course. Since they had those specific guidance instruments fail, they had to do an alternate VNAV approach (which all pilots are trained well for) but the only issue with that was, there was a low ceiling of cloud cover, so they could not do a long approach in such a low ceiling as it requires visual confirmation of airway on approach, otherwise landing has to be aborted and a go around is done as per procedure.
Hey it is not about Air India flying like one of the state transport buses. These things happen to almost every airline. And generally pilots are trained for such emergencies. My point here is despite the negativity at their workplace, zero goodwill and acceptance of the company these pilots work for, they display exceptional skill by remaining calm when almost all of the systems they need to rely on for a safe landing packed up. As far as I know, all airplanes are maintained to a certain level, especially the critical instruments inside the cockpit. Saving Air India is something I still wonder how they would plan it in the midst of bureaucracy, political influence and everything under the sun you could think of that could stop something happening in India. It is better they shut down the company and sell it crap for scrap
Maybe its just me but i picked up a distinct change in tone in the pilot's voice when asked about the number of people onboard. Calm as he was, in that moment, the possibility of the plane being potentially in mortal peril seemed to cross his mind. And the next instant he was back to being chill and pro. Love the human spirit on display here against the backdrop of planes and aviation 👍
Where exactly was this at in minutes and seconds thanks
I believe that was co-pilot's voice.
Very commendable - no sign of stress on any side..just very professional handling and methodical evaluation of alternatives. Surely could become a case study
Agreed, 100%. In addition, there should be another case study on those who disliked this video 😂😂😂
Airplane sounds dangerous, nothing works...
The shaking will come after the landing..
@@tomking1890 all US made Boeing aircraft are dangerous!
The pilots were overly dependent on the automated landing system. Controller was suggesting options that required hand flying but they would not accept them.@@rafidin99
Air India's bad reputation is not because of pilots, but due to management failures. Hats off to the pilots who remained calm under a difficult situation and saved precious lives by their professional skills.
Fuck Air India, must Dalit cast of Air carriers, beware! Pollution!
99% of the time, if a business is shit, it's because of bad management.
Under so much stress, the pilot and the Atc were so dignified... So proud of the crew... Well done guys!
Well said!
Hats off to all the guys involved... why don’t the whole world act so normal to all situations like this... imagine a life like this.
Isn't that the truth! Seems like these days any kind of problem devolves into a turd flinging contest.
it should be "Hats off" not "hates off"
Arun Sahasrabuddhe thanks!
"all situations"? a stranger stabs your wife in front of you.....your reaction? NOT as calm as these pilots....LOL
@@trimel81 maybe not in all cases
This should be broadcasted in India. Air India doesnt have a good reputation in India, but these pilots, man , every bit of professionalism that is required for passenger safety is being demonstrated. The knowledge, the communication, the composure from the tower and the pilot is outstanding. Hats off to these unsung heroes who have probably saved everyone on onboard and no one would have even known.
100% situational awareness. Props to the flight crew and the controller.
Remember this when you fly. Your pilots are professionals who need to make decisions with your souls in their hands. You may be inconvenienced, but you're alive.
Very professional by all involved. Well done.
Great one team effort.
The pilots of Air India understood the art of communication very well and thus avoided a disaster. This shows that the English Language Proficiency Test is a must for pilots. Not only do you need to have a good command of your RT, but you also need to be able to have a conversation in order to solve problems. Congrats for Air India!
Amazing how cool and composed the pilots remained. Hats off! BTW the controllers were amazing too, it's just that they're not the ones in a tin can that is running out of fuel rapidly.
Anyone who could stay calm in such a potentially catastrophic situation such as this deserves a medal. Well done too all involved for diverting a tragedy.
Great job by the pilots and the tower crew.u just saved so many lives ..hats off
Great one team efforts
This is how the best training helps... Kudos to the Pilots and the ATC for keeping the situation under control in such high stress scenario.
The pilots and the ATC remained quite composed and professional at this time of crisis, who I think should be given with enough credits.
I recognize the last ATC voice as that of Kennedy Steve. He's a top notch professional and the Air India crew worked the problem, came up with a solution and executed. This is how it is done.
HOLY CRAP!!! Low ceilings all around, no ILS, no autoland, two altimeters are down, AND you only have fuel for one hour. Other than that, how was the play, Mrs.Lincoln? :-)))
Maloy7800 Two radio altimeters are down, not their normal altimeters. They could still do a CAT I approach with normal minimums or RNAV approaches.
Thats Indian pilots for u.....!!
Apparently the only problem was that they could not use Autoland. That's indicative of the emerging trend of big iron pilots not being able to hand fly an approach.@@Tomrryaniv
@@curiosity8717 Please don't show your over patriotism out here. It's nothing patriotic going on. It's about a thin line between life and death. Please respect the men involved in the incident and let go of your over patriotism.
Plenty of misinformation there. Autoland is not the same as flying a coupled approach (autopilot flying the, e.g., ILS). It's possible that their standard operating procedure mandates autoland or certain features for certain weather, but what they allude to is that they either lost the glideslope, at which point they would have reverted to a localizer-only approach (higher minimums), or, if you take literally what they said, they actually lost the localizer, which would indeed cause any correctly trained pilot to go missed. They're very clear that they could not fly an ILS approach (even CAT I). They ended up flying an approach to Newark with non-WAAS (not quite so precise) GPS (or generally, RNAV) equipment where they'd get nothing but an advisory glideslope and higher minimums, which is why they needed better weather. If this sounds complicated then that's because it is, and that's why training to fly in the instrument flight rules "system" (and becoming an ATP, let alone get a job to fly big iron across the ocean) takes much time, experience, and talent. These guys were very far from "not being able to hand-fly an approach", and they probably have been dealing safely with older navaids across India for years.
Hats off for the Captain and First Officer for their professionalism. All the controllers did a great job. It's a difficult situation without NAV aids and the adverse weather. Above all the remaining fuel.
wow ! ...great stuff guys & staying cool amidst such pressure. U saved many !
Kudos to all involved. The crew for staying calm and the controller keeping it that way.
...and then the passenger yelled at the pilot,'why did you land at the wrong airport?' My neice just wasted $75 on parking
ROFL
This is fantastic. This is where a pilots training is really put to the test. I love this. Multiple instrument failure. Low fuel. Communication under pressure, knowledge of your equipment requirements for alternates. Pilots those digital devices can go kaput at any time. Be ready.
Air Indias crew did a fabulous job flying the aircraft and with direct communication with ATC
YOU did a fabulous job flying the aircraft and with direct communication with ATC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Direct communication as opposed to what? Indirect communication?
@@patrickshenton769 Yeah. Most pilots would have just hinted at the problem, all passive-aggressive "Well if you can't figure out what's wrong, I'm not going to tell you". Or just sighed wistfully over the radio, clicking their tongues and shaking their heads. But not Air India, they communicated directly about what was wrong.
Thank for sharing this man, appreciate your work. Been looking for this one on other channels.
Great co-operation from crew and ATC, nice to see things work out well
Having multiple instrument failures.. there was no panic in captain voice. He was talking so calmly and normally. I wonder what kind of training they go through. Otherwise normal person would have give up. Well done from both sides air and ground.
Might be meditation.
Air India Pilots go through 3 step Psychology Test before getting it to fly an international flight.
Rest you may assume
Routine non-event for professional pilots.
It's called crew resource management and fordec= facts, options, risks/benefits, decision, execution, check. Google it that's very interesting to deal with problems.
The crew did not indicate any issue with the propulsion system so really no reason for them to panic. Low fuel was definitely a concern but the plane never left controlled flight.
Excellent communication skills displayed by both sides. Congratulation guys for a job well done considering instrument failures.
Hi
Thanks for the audio clip, an airband communications enthusiast here. The very professional approach of the pilot and the atc is to appreciated.
Kick Ass Proud of you Captain Rustom and Sushant of Air India.
Super job by ITC.
Its time Airlines need to share status of all the equipment which impacts safety to the passengers before teh flight
ATC
rahul devgun when the plane left Delhi, the instruments would not have shown any symptoms of malfunction..
If the instrument failures were apparent before departure that plane should never been allowed to leave. But most likely the problems occur en route or maybe during approach.
What? They didnt take off without those systems, so who is supposed to share?
Extreme professionalism displayed by ATC and the Air India Pilots. The pilots were trying with what that was available to them and ATC was trying to help the pilots out in everyway he could.
Well done to both ATC and pilots - Crew Resource Management - CRM (both ATC and Pilots) at its finest.
A Great Team Work, I Sincerely appreciate A I 101 Cockpit Crew And The Air Traffic Controller For Being So Cool And Understanding The Problem. Now Both Under Stand There Are 370 Souls On Board.
It's got to be 317. The B773ER has a max capacity of 335.
You capitalized every word except appreciate.
ATC was NOT understanding. Towards the end he clearly assumed they were going to be able to use ILS. He had completely forgotten the whole point of the exercise.
@@intertwinedswastikainmatin6548 Souls on board includes crew
@@markdoldon8852 B773ER Max Capacity == 335.
Awesome presence of mind to locate options in times of chaos...Well done team Air India and PILOT and US
Wow! That was scary! Amazed at how calm everyone on the ATC was. Great job all around!
Huge respect to the Pilots and the crews
I would request both American and Indian govt to give this pilot some bravery award. He is an angel for sure... People piss in their lives for small things and he is calm like ocean without any turbulence.
Losers these things happen morf often than u think its 10 out of 1000 landings n midair issues ALL PILOTS GET TRAINED LIKE THESE
Bravery award ? For doing the basics of his job? For helping the plane he is sitting in the front of to land? A competance award from his pilots union or the company, sure. But it is not 'bravery' to save yourself. Sorry, not to denigrate his skills, but shouting hero at every pilot who lands a plane in an emergency is a pet peeve. Firemen who enter burning buildings are heroes, soldiers or police who sacrifice their own safety to protect others are heroes. Not pilots doing their job in a stressful situation.
Great example here of training and professionalism!! Kudos to all involved 👍
Excellent work everyone, and thank you for posting.
Cool and calm, excellent in the cockpit and also that controller.
Air India has mostly Air Force retired Pilots and mechanics. All are highly professional in technical aspects. I'm an A&P Mechanic working with AI
The accent understanding of both these ATC and the pilot is great! Kudos on handling different accents to both the people, ATC and AI101
No words to describe how the course of events unfolded and the calm and professional manner it was handed by the pilots and traffic controller. Cudos to them both.
I have traveled my maiden international flight from Chennai - Singapore. I never had such a warm experience on any other airline. Smooth Ride, Excellent Food & Drinks. Local AIR-INDIA pilots are
awesome. Look @ how cool her interacts with ATC in such dire situations. Some of them are Airforce short service return. No wonder they are so cool.
Calm! And presence of mind! Kudos pilots and atc
Very good communications here, Pilots and ATC offered all options without emotional distortion! Good work
It's a great lesson for all pilots: ATC will always be doing their best to help when you need it most, but they cannot be expected to analyze the situation as the pilots can, being each and every aircraft has different systems, backup systems and capabilities. The take-away here is to tell ATC 1). What the problem is you are facing - the general nature of the emergency. 2)What you need to ensure the safety of the aircraft - ie. An RNAV/GPS approach. and 3) Your intentions.
Thanks so much for posting this, and kudos to all involved in resolving the problems safely. It's not easy with 370 souls strapped to your back, at 300mph, in a 650,000lb aircraft that turns into a glider in the next 20min.
That was something...LNAV-VNAV approach.....awesome....👍👍👍👍
Kudos to all. Fully professional teamwork by JFK ATC and AI 101 Pilots. At no moment Pilots seems to have lost their nerves. Moreover, JFK ATC guy's conversation / voice also seems to have boosted the confidence of all involved.
Wow... Excellent approach from the ATC and the Pilot. Kudos to both. 😊
The heroics of the pilots must be made aware to the world! Superb skills and they were so calm, a vital key in landing the plane safely!
Great team work by both Crew and ATC...hats off :)
6:37 - (TREND)
9:16 is the first time you sense a little bit of desperation and a sense of urgency.
GOOD JOB ALL!!! CHEERS
Hey Rohan! How are you? Still waiting on your new videos! xD
haha...ya, still very much here and I promise to entertain you shortly (I know its been 4 years since I uploaded anything but there was a reason - you'll understand when you watch the first video I upload)
A Superb Team work in action ....hatsoff to the Air India Crew and ATC.
Good communication all round..Good job all round..The training of the pilots showed it..The training of the controller also shows..
Hey nicely done. The video and annotations.
After doing some calculations, 7,200 kg of fuel translates to approximately 1hr of fuel for a Boeing 777. Thank goodness for the regulation that all flights carry enough fuel to make it not only to the destination, but also to the alternate airport and then some. Thank you for taking the time to put this audio together.
Great job ATC and pilots
Great Job. Big salute to AI and ATC . They handle in nice way and successfully they made the landing. Excellent guys.
I’m glad they were bookworm
Whats bookworm
@Pink Snapper It's at 0:30 in the introduction. Normally "bookworm" means well-read, but perhaps it has some other meaning in Indian English? Well-trained would make sense in context.
Both Tower & pilots kept their cool under pressure. How can this be prevented in future is the main question
Did I hear our friend Kennedy Steve from ATC? Awesome upload, incredible teamwork and situational management.
OMG! Scary stuff. Bravo to the crew!
Is it just me or did ATC seem a bit slow at understanding the situation?
The plane was low on fuel and had instrument failure but they didn't seem to understand what the pilot wanted.
He was asking for an airport that had a high cloud ceiling so he could see the runway on approach and fly the plane manually,
not come through the cloud then find he didn't have time to make corrections and fly straight into the ground.
I think the pilot was much calmer than I would have been, I would not want to keep repeating myself in that situation.
I think the ATC had some In kling that they needed a higher ceiling, but either he never understood why or he forgot because he clearly thought they were doing an ILS approach to Newark.
Amazing nerves. Just a visual landing with visibility limited to 600ft. Kudos!
That was superbly handled by everyone. True professionalism. If I'm the pilot, I'm going to have a LONG talk with my maintenance folks when I get home.
Fascinating! Amazed at the professionalism all around!!
Hats off to the pilots and controller
Yes they worked hard and deserve a clap!
Hats off to air India crew and ATC
Totally in Control all the way down and looking at so many Alternates at the same time. Very Professional and Composed Air India Pilots and the ATC showed real class in Handling this multiple Instrumentation failure and found a Solution in quick time before the fuel burn out. Most people in small emergencies freak out so quickly! !
(inaudible) @06:40 = "...any idea of the trend?"
(inaudible) @07:08 = "...lets see if we can get you a little higher so you can burn less fuel..."
(inaudible) @07:36 = "...also winds aloft at Bradley..."
(inaudible) @09:10 = "...we've got a trend showing..."
(inaudible) @09:23 = "...it could really take us down in a situation..."
(inaudible) @10:14 = "...I just have the Newark person here (on the phone) now so...
Wow thanks a lot bro! I really appreciate it❤️
Stacy Green thanks
Not winds aloft at Bradley. It's Windsor Locks/Bradley. That's the name of the airport.
Inaudible@ 1:55 "...I missed the runway 4R"
@ 2:55 "there were a lot of issues involved so we trying to sort that out..."
@ 2:59 "do you need time to work *everything* out" (not this heading)
From ATC or pilot sir
Amazing stuff as usual from Air India Pilots!
Air India has the best aviators. As one with integral knowledge of aviation, I can proudly say that Air India pilots are world class
Agreed. I admire their professionalism
Training works! Great calmness and collaboration
Man some really good pilots .and ATC courtesy .sent a chill down my spine man...🤤😨
Yes. Same here.
Ghummo.in when the ATC controller asked how many souls on board (for body count during rescue operations ) and that he wished he do do more help it felt like it was the aircrafts last moments ..omg I almost cried ..
good....but y it's showing on my timeline since from past 3 days?
Service wise Air India is poor. But their pilots are some of the best in the world. Thanks to their rigorous training in Mumbai and Hyderabad.
Absolute calmness all around when all hell could have broken loose.
That was quite impressive. Great job by both controller and pilots.
Awesome skills and presence of mind....I'm surely flying AI next time. Great work ATC.
Super cool , barely understood the acronyms, but understood the situation. That was some professionalism.
Although the pilots were calm and thankfully all went well in the end i felt there was a communication gap as JFK Dep was not understanding and pilots had to explain him the issues many times imo not a good response by tower
I agree. The AI pilot was very clear so I don't understand the ATC repititions.
Perhaps he was handling other radio communications. Maybe we need dedicated ATCs for sucy emergencies?
Agreed!
@@briancaldwell7305 In an emergency it is critical to ensure all communications are perfectly understood. Better a repetition of comm than a crash.
Also, some comm from the flight lacked assurance and authority.
It's a lot easier to understand when a text of what is being said is displayed. What you don't here is the other lines ringing and other controllers on the shout line while atc is trying to figure out what is going on.
@@briancaldwell7305 I agree also,
Wowww that’s a great job done by precision ,calculation and professionalism by the AI cockpit crew and the ATC controllers at JFK & EWR. Thank you for making everybody safe.
My heart was racing! I wish everyone could remain so calm!
The JFK controller sounds like Kennedy Steve. Just the guy I'd want if I were in that situation!
Same impression for me. The man, and a good pilot...
Duh.!!! Because its him.!!! The one and only K.Steve❤️
@@kiddygamer0065 The Man. The Legend!
YUP! We all recognized him, :>))
@@kiddygamer0065 are you sure? I think hes retired?
Thanks for nice video. Kudos to ATC and pilots to have solved the problem with cool and calm composure. Not sure if passengers were informed of the situation. How did you get this recording? Just curious.
LiveATC.net
VERY well done by pilots and ATC. Great teamwork.
Simply fantastic....this should be an example for others to follow......
Fascinated by the professional demeanour and logistics of all concerned. Well done AI and JFK controllers.
I've got a lot of things to say against Air India any day. But this mind blowing!
The Pilots handled the situation really well without panicking , so did the JFK ATC! who helped them with instructions.
Well done guys!
AMAZING PILOT..REMAIN COOL AND CALM!!
Piece of cake for these skilled aviators.... Captain & FO commendable Professionalism.
Good handling by ATC
Hats off to the AI crew and the ground force...
Hi Varun,
Incredible story! Hats off to all the involved persons.
And thank you for your transcription work.
Rgds
Great airmanship, great controllers as well