SFV: Dealing with Nerfs and Buffs [feat. Oil King & NL] [4k]
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How Oil King deals with his nerfs and NL deals with his buffs.
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Gerald, make more content bro, all your videos are insanely good
lol, well hello to you too doublelift.. Looks like a lot more than just FGC people are watching these videos cus a lot of them apply to all sorts of games, mmos in my case
Well quality over quantity brah.
Play more fighting games
Doublelift ??????
Thanks, man. Means a lot! So cool you watch fighting game stuff.
The power a main can have on a player. The desire to win with that one character is just amazing.
XxStrideR31xX As a Rashid main a completely agree. If you love your character that much... You will lab, and study, and FIND ways to win!
Being fair on mains though, they play that character because they know them best. Changing main is like changing jobs. You know you could do it with some practice, but practice will take time.
Can a top tier player take a nerfed character and make it top tier? I'm genuinely asking. If that's the case then your personal connection with the character (visual/audio design, their lore etc) could be the deciding factor of whether you put the time in.
As a Juri main i agree
Johnny Thousand I don't think that a top tier player can take a nerfed character and make that character "top tier" (unless they find some unreal tech that no one knew about) but they are fully capable of using their character and winning big. The nerfs will ultimately affect how hard they're gonna have to work for it, and some players are not willing/able to put that time and effort in tournaments. (I personally applaud the player that sticks with their main but with how much is riding on tournaments now adays, I also understand why they would switch to ensure victory)
How I deal with nerfs? I type up an essay why the game has become unplayable, refuse to adapt, and tell everyone that X game is dead!
Overwatch player, huh?
....me too :(
GREYF0X 😂😂😂 Pro level rage quit.
MajinE I miss Overwatch. That was a quallity joke, though.
+Nick Chambers Thanks lol
Hello, fellow McCree/Widowmaker/Genji
How I deal with nerfs and buffs:
Is Blanka good? If yes, I will play him.
Is Blanka bad? If yes, I will play him.
Did Blanka get buffed? If yes, I will play him.
Did Blanka get nerfed? If yes, I will play him.
It's not a good mentality for wanting to win, though. I play Blanka because he's easy to use and because I'm too lazy to learn harder characters.
Don't talk to blanka players
Don't look at blanka players
Don't shake their hands.
Lol jk but god do I hate fighting blankas.
E.A. Rhodes well good mentality for sure, tho hard to work for sponsored pro player who have to win. For casuals or online warrior indeed works
So much Blanka hate.
Me if they nerf cloud in smash 5 (Who I DON'T play because he's op.)
i haven't played street fighter in 3 years or that often but still watch your videos because they are that good.
I think a lot of the content in his videos can pertain to all sorts of competitive games and the theory behind it, so it's useful even if you don't play Street Fighter or fighters in general. They are also very good videos.
Yeah, I try to make topics that can pertain to people from other gaming backgrounds. Sometimes you can learn more about your field from other communities.
Yeah i agree and it works, you make it sound easy and present the information so normies like me understand everything.
I delt with the SFV shenanigans but switching to Tekken 7 but here I am everytime there's a new video.
I don't play SF at all! I just love games.
I think the most impressive thing is watching someone win with a character after they get hit with the nerf bat. The level of game sense and discipline to win, in spite of huge potential changes to their strengths, is something amazing to see.
On the other hand, I don't actually hate seeing buffed characters win, since it means I get to see more viable contenders in tournaments, which ultimately leads to a more diverse array of fighters to enjoy.
It really sucks when you main a low tier character that gets nerfed even further into the ground... Good times.
Burning Typhoon F.A.N.G mains represent!
can't say I've had the feeling but my friend is a Vega main and he is definitely NOT getting much love right now
Burning Typhoon I'm a Ed main and it's just painful.
skullkrusher9 Yyyyup.
Burning Typhoon Like little Mac.
I have a habit of playing only characters I truly love, so whether they are garbage or OP is luck of the draw. But sometimes they go and make a bad character worse. It hurts.
Kirby of the Stars
I feel you man, I'm mostly like you, I play characters that I like how they look, even if sometimes it's a hard character to learn like Izayoi from Blazeblue 😅
Dark Zero
I feel you! Izayoi is a tough sell because she's so technical. D;
Kirby of the Stars
Yeah lol, I'm not a technical character friendly guy, I guess that's why I can't learn KOLIN, no matter what I do and I always go back to cammy 😂
Fgc: guys, cammy’s really powerful, are you ever going to tone her down?
Capcom: you’re right, let’s fix this *nerfs ryu further*
Finally a video that shows the opinions of the ones who are really affected by these changes and result of their hard work.
Im all in for character loyalists, despite nerfs or buffs. What i kinda hate are bandwagoners.
Gadlight if you play the game for a living, sometimes you have to do what you have to do
Gadlight I hate them too, just look at how many times daigo changed character during the sf4 era, and ppl still call him the face of ryu, what a joke.
blvk3 not gonna lie, back in SF4 there was NO ONE doing the shit Daigo did with Ryu. He did pioneer that character in SF4. There were other good Ryu players, but Daigo was a cut above the rest. It only makes sense that players see him as the face of Ryu.
im not refering as a competitive aspect, since you have to increase your chances for winning, im speaking in a general sense, like i mentioned in my original post, i dont care as much as nerfs or buffs.
i still played kiby in melee
Pick a top tier.
love that mentality. Seems to be working for Mago and Moke :rtsd:
Pick a low tier god.
Wise words by sanford
Says the guy who plays:
SFIV Gen
USFIV Hugo
3S Hugo
SFVAE Zeku
XD
sakabato24 I also played Jin in SFxT, which helped a lot in earning my Top 8 at Evo 2013 :D
people like Oil King are my hero. It takes a TON of courage to stick with your character through nerfs and KNOW that your ability to win might suffer, no matter how much you strive to improve yourself. still, suing that to put the fire to improve in you is something I find so admirable.
i pick whoever i want if they are low tier or high tier it does not matter if they get nerfed i dint care. cuz winning with that character can be even more satisfying because its the character i love to use
I agree 100%
It just pisses me off when my character gets nerfed or "balanced" once a while and then there's this super easy to use and devastating character that hasn't changed from the start and I just have to wonder, are some characters taboo ?
Yeah, I think that a lot, it’s actually why I dropped dragon ball fighterz. But I don’t see a character becoming taboo, but instead used more often by more people. Not to say that there’s anything wrong with a playing powerful character, but you gotta admit that seeing those kinds of characters can become annoying. CoughCellCough
Exactly the same with online multiplayer fps’s, they almost never really patch that one game
Gun
Welcome to the world of street fighter 3, prepare to regret not picking ken yun or Chun li.
I’ll gladly pick ken , malito, Akuma, or Dudley and handle business
@2:29, correction on translation, it should be "I do not rule out chances of me training up on other character" instead of I am not afraid to add other characters.
I really respect character loyalists. It's not about the win, it's about expressing yourself in the arcade and send a message.
The thumbnail is perfect
Character specialists will always be the most fun and interesting to watch. Don't give up your Rashid dream, Oil King. You're better than ever!
Damn, oil king with the english. I like it
i rike it too :D
I don't even play fighting games, but I watch because of the rock solid production value. Keep up the good work and thanks for not padding a 4 minute video to the 10 minute ad-cash-out that youtube pushes for content creators to do these days.
Smash player, but watch all your stuff because it’s so good
Articuno61 Same bro, I love Smash to death and even though I know quite little about most games core-a-gaming talks about I still watch ALL of his videos, they are just sooo interesting and high quality !
ArT oF wAr Mario aint got nerfed, hes even better with that up b being much more stronger and more knock back on his down throw leads to even easier ladders.
He talks about Smash sometimes too though
holy crap, this channel is so good.
it's like the "every frame a painting" of fighting game channels, like, every video is KILLER
That jazz cover of Rashid's theme was such a nice touch to the video.
I think I’m like a lot of ppl here in that I haven’t bought a fighter in years and yet, here I am. Always great content, man
Even though I don't really keep up with the SF5 scene anymore, any video you make captivates me and makes me sad when it ends. Thank you for making these videos.
Unrelated to the video, but I am a VERY recent FG lover, and this has become one of my favorite channels not just on FGC, but in general.
Yes, please make more content. Ive watched almost all your videos. They are really good!
This has to be the best Thumbnail possible for this topic!
*Oil King just needs shorter shorts to win.*
*He'd destroy everyone in EVO with some Daisy Dukes.*
Love cammy's theme in the background. Great video.
I frigging love these channel I've seen every video cause it's so relatable... I only wished you would dig a bit more in king of fighters but I know most ppl are here cause of sf
I never drop a character. It doesn't matter if the character is top tier or absolute trash, I only play what I feel engaged and comfortable with. If I win, I've won thanks to the love and dedication to said character, if I lose it's because I can still improve. Simple as that, honestly.
Great video as always, gerald.
Great video! I know Street Fighter's the example in the video, but I think it's useful for any fighting game, 2D or 3D.
The will to win. Mad respect to these guys and all mains that stick out the buff/nerf storm.
Season 1 I was a Ryu main because he was the only character I could click with. I had a good run with him and then I just started getting frustrated. Season 2 on out I main Urien and like the character and his mechanics. I've suffered my fair share of losses, but that's made me even hungrier. He's had some nerfs, but didn't become unplayable. It made me adapt and fight smarter and not harder.
Great vid overall.
"How do you deal with nerfs and buffs"
I just win
When nerfed: Try to keep playing how I love
When buffed: Keep playing how I love
How do I handle nerfs/buffs? I at least try to adapt to the changes before saying “time to Switch.”
Just because a character gets nerfed, doesn’t exactly mean they can’t win. You just have to find a *new* way to do so, which takes a lot of time and dedication.
Also your editing is God-Tier.
Bruce Lee said, "Talents create opportunities. But great passion can create talent." I think the same is true for tiers. Look at Xian's Gen in SF4, or in UMVC3 how Chris G's Morrigan changed the game. Even now, Tokido's Akuma pretty much single handedly carried him into the top tier. I would say matchups are more important than anything. Infiltration has shown us that. But the advantage of having a main, I think, is that it allows you to not have to think, you can just feel. I think that's what Oil King was talking about, that he couldn't just play because he had to make adjustments. Too many nerfs, not enough buffs. And as always, get gud.
August Greig Bruce Lee never had the damage his legs do randomly halved for no apparent reason.
lol you act as if Tokido is the reason why Akuma is top tier. Akuma is top tier because he's busted. He's good at everything, has amazing oki, good walkspeed, really good damage, is plus on a lot of stuff, has a 3f, has a reversal, has two strong v-triggers and one of the best v-skills. Tokido was just the first to figure him out and then everyone copied his style.
What oilking was saying was that he couldn't just autopilot doing rashid's dumb shit. They nerfed the dumb stuff he had but he's still top 10.
Oimae, True,these changes will make match-ups more challenging to him than ever,he can't just play his game and win without being worried about his opponent,he doesn't have that much of good match-ups anymore.
Oimae true indeed!!! I was just going to say what you said lol I think he misunderstood what he meant by saying he didnt have to think lol.
ChrisG is a horrible example, he killed the Marvel competition scene. That's why the last official EVO tourney of UMVC3 almost didn't happen. Meanwhile, Xian's Gen matches were actually exciting to watch. Not the same situation, or are you going to tell me a lie that "soulfistsoulfistsoulfistsoulfist" is fun to watch?
when they nerf a character i main, it usually means a specific part of the play style is no longer viable in other words, i need to be careful and really think my strategies, but i can still play the character and over time i get used to it.
when they buff my mains it just feels like new tools have been added to my repertoire but I still don't play recklessly, because my opponent will most likely be aware of this new tool and will be more careful.
That thumbnail though 😂😂😂 great content as always.
Congrats on that UYU sponsor, Gerald!
I hope that you can make more and more videos. Keep up the good work.
So much heart
I guess, ''The truth lies in the heart of battle''
Still holds true
I dont even play fighting games but i love your videos, they are very educational and well done.
Dealing with buffs: Cheer with a beer.
Dealing with nerfs: Cry with a beer.
Just one opinion, your videos can't come often enough yo, I appreciate the particular insight.
Excellent video and asked the real question many don't want to deal with.
Low tier characters:
Have to think about the matchups they play in. Each and every one.
High Tier characters:
I just play.
The thumb nail was freaking hilarious. It's soooo true
Haha, the wild Gamerbee sighting at 4:00
Props for a well done video and great interviews. Made me like oil king a whole lot more for his mentality and approach to the game.
Love the content as always and hope to collab with you bro...
Soon!! 👍✊💪💪
I really appreciate your videos, these interviews are really interesting when you cover a topic like this.
That Mr. N cameo at the end. Ahh my heart.
If a game greatly balanced, like Brood War (or Dive Kick of course), you can enjoy any character even in the very top tier competition. But I have to agree that usually you have to pick a top tier character if you want to win, especially in some championships. But I admire the players who stick with specific characters and always like to watch their play and efforts.
Gerald, we are waiting for you. Your videos are one of the best contents in TH-cam.
I don’t play fighting games, I just enjoy your content
This channel needs more subs. Everything you put out is so good
very great video!
I'm not gonna lie, sometimes the nerfs can be a bit frustrating, however it can be overcome with practice!
Say what you want about SFV
But Rashid is by far the greatest new character in a very long time.
They call me Jojo I think he’s pretty forgettable from a design standpoint.
I like Zeku a lot more
Oil King! keep praying and everything will be alright 😁
3:51 she trying to pick a top tier durian.
Fantastic video. You push out such great content!
It's really nice when a character /card you use gets a buff
But I think the most important thing is to make a balanced game
Sick content and fighting game insight !
Keep it up and FIGHT ON
This is interesting, well thought out content. Your videos are just really, really good.
Thanks for uploading this on my birthday! I can watch your videos for hours on repeat.
Happy birthday, man.
Core-A Gaming Thank you!
Another well made video. Well done!
holy wow that mr N plushie!
Great video
oh damn click so fast when a new Core-A gaming vids goes up the best on this site the great content love ya gerald rewatchable as fuck man that's what i call key for videos
*i'll cry when Maxi get's nerfed in SC6 well i hope he doesn't*
When Eddy Gordo got nerfed I reevaluated what I had known about my main character & then sought to know more about the moves I've overlooked in the past.
0:59 "Before, in some matchups, I just play and I can win. I don't need to think, but now every matchup I need to think." Wow, what a horrible nerf. Rashid players actually have to think and use their brain now. How will they ever recover?
This was literally the start of season 3 Rashid. You could just go auto pilot with absolutely no thought and win. The nerfs were definitely needed, but the question is if they went too far. Seeing as Oil King is placing maybe not?
Rashid was a good nerf
I think he meant think in terms of muscle memory, something that second nature to him, he now has to adjust to
No man. He literally meant I have to think about what options to take now with the character. I've heard other Rashid players say the exact same thing since the nerf. If it was relearning a move/combo he wouldn't have said "every match up I need to think". He's talking specifically about options, since the auto pilot option doesn't work now.
Yeah he's a good player obviously but Rashid was so good and oppresive against characters that after a while of playing it's just the same formula with each character you face. Apply pressure > Mixups etc etc.
Now he has to think about individual matchups and who and what the character may struggle against.
How many languages do you speak ?
Stormtrooper 2323 Three. English, Korean, and some super rusty Chinese and Spanish that I'll count as half each.
Core-A Gaming oh snap multilingual not bad at all my friend 😰😰😰☺
Core-A Gaming Interesante que hables español, aprovecho para decirte que tu contenido es muy disfrutable y de gran calidad.
You should definitely study film if you really have fun doing these. The level of production is amazing
Oil King's loyalty is inspiring.
buff cammy
lol
😂
sakurai pls
Sitoopie 😂😂😂
you mean butt cammy xD
I just adapt. I may get depressed, sad or even mad.
But I adapt and embrace the character I love.
Wow, just this morning I was binge watching your videos asking me when it would be your next video
Please Please Please post more videos. Love this material.
As long as nerfs don't change how a character plays or feels, I'll stick with them because what's important to me is how fun the character is.
It's good to see my main Alex get a few buffs here and there
These vids are always a treat😊
Play who you like, play who you love. Always.
I love hearing the insight of what pros thinks.
Core-A in the roundhouse kick is my favorite anime
This concept applies to so many games. CCGs deal with this a lot too, where a deck either starts out too strong or gets buffed with newer cards, then gets banned or nerfed to oblivion later. I never minded adjusting to one deck I played getting nerfed, but it really sucked when like my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th options were all nerfed simultaneously in the same major overhaul.
oh baby an upload!!!
Swear this channels soo underrated
character loyalty at it's finest!!
"How you deal with nerfs"
I cry.
In the eternal words of Sanford: "Pick a top tier".
Yo Gary, what’s us bro. I love your Chanel. I play injustice 2 and I main supergirl. She’s been top tier before but she recently got nerffed. Her down 1 got some frames added to it so she isn’t safe on block anymore. Also her screen wide laser now requires a meter burn to execute.
At first I was mad about her down 1. But I just kept playing her and playing her and I got used to the added frames so now I use it to play mind games with my opponents. It’s hard to explain but it helps me catch them off guard.
The screen wide eye laser I would use ALL the time. Which left me vulnerable but after the nerf I had to wait till I have the meter. So my use of it dropped significantly. Which is a good thing because in hind site, it was my crutch. I would always use it. Now I’m more of a surgeon with it. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
ik im late but character loyalty is always a hidden buff when nerfs are applied. determination and hard work is always rewarded.
That thumbnail tho
That’s a top tier thumbnail you got there.
0:25 pretty much sums up SFV 😂
Least impactful are changes to health pool, it makes fighting more or less risky, but you generally play the same so it's easier to deal with and against. But more impactful is when a move gets changes.
If the move which gets changes was a combo extender/finisher. then that's less difficult. You still gotta go down through all the combos which used it and see if or how they still work, and labbing out new ones involving the buffed move which didn't before.
But when the move which is changed is a neutral tool like a DP or other reversal, a movement option, or a projectile, they you got a lot more work to put in testing all the situations where it can now be used, and the risk-reward for doing so. All of the other characters in the game's options against it and if an how they can punish it.
Even small changes can sorta make it like relearning the character. And it's really depending on the number of changes rather than the severity.
Are changes "bad"? No... no that's preposterous. Rashid deserved nerfs, he's still strong. And Cammy's changes were useful but not too much. But it's still a lot of work the players have to put in to make the metagame settle and get used to the patch.
I think passion and dedication can overcome a lot. BonChan winning the final against NL's Cammy and Infiltration winning against Oil King's Rashid pre-nerf with his Juri in the final are proof. But you've to work extra hard
We must always remember the gospel of Sanford Kelly
The Scrublord's Prayer plays a role in buffs but more primarily nerfs.
always love your content. Thanks for posting quality content as usual.