Watched your video on Talon 1, called a dealer and they were getting one in my size in a few weeks, so I put a deposit on it. Watched this video and gave them a call back asking if they might have Fathom 2 and they are getting the exact one as in this video next week! You got Giant quite a few clients with your videos!
Funny you should mention that: I went to look at a Talon 2 29 (I had a 27.5), decided I would like the gear upgrades on a Talon 1, and the guy in the shop was of the opinion that once you start spending much more than Talon 2 money you should really start looking at the Fathom instead. Took it for a ride around the block and happily agreed with him.
I picked one up today and got the 27.5. I love the rosewood and can't wait for this Summer. Local stores in OKC said September...so I thankfully found one in Florida.
@@freakybaby1012 in my case I'm 6'5", it just feels better to ride around on. Also I ride the bike on the London streets a lot and it just stomps up kerbs ;-)
I bought this bike during the bike shortage period. I might take it to Sedona to see how it holds up stock. Not too many 27.5 hard tails on the market it seems these days.
Great review Mate Keen on making a purchase for the 2022 Giant Fathom 2 29 I need to ask however I’ve seen complaints about the Fork Giant Crest 34 RCL it has me in two minds but your Review again has helped me a lot. Cheers, Jack
i just ordered mine the other day, i got the terracotta color because that was the only one in that frame size they were going to get but it still looks like a good color
I own the black/rosewood '21 Fathom 2 and I absolutely love this bike. This bike loves to climb. Giant has had an issue with installing a non-boost chainring on some of these bikes, so if you are interested in buying one make sure there is an offset on the chainring or you will be miserable with chain drop. My 1st ride was horrible; chain drop about 20 times. I see that others had this problem on Giant's website reviews. Giant mailed a replacement ring, and my LBS installed a 32t for me so I could ride immediately, but I'm keeping it instead of the 30t replacement. This bike doesn't beat me up like other ht's I've owned, yet the frame has great lateral stiffness. That Crest fork is much better than I had hoped. Brakes were terrible at first, but after a few rides, they are not bad at all now. This bike checks all the boxes for me and it's a great value.
Thanks for that info. I will be on the lookout for chainring problems. I hope that they fix this on later production (Giant has been quite good in the past for resolving issues mid production ). Good to hear your thoughts on how the bike rides.
Hi Larry I also have a 2021 fathom 2 and I’m the lowest gears with throw the chain when peddling hard. It’s very annoying. Is the revised sprocket obviously offset to look at or is it just a lip machined on the bac?Mine appears to be just flat. Otherwise great bike can’t fault it 👍
@@brockbarford1991 Hi Brock, yes you have the incorrect chainring installed if it is flat. The correct boost chainring will have a bulge inside the crank arm that will cure the problem with chain drop. Giant will ship the correct chainring to your local Giant dealer and pay for them to replace it.
Hey Larry heard about this issue as well, going to look at a fathom 2 soon and want to know what to look out for to see if there’s a boost chainring, how can I tell?
Picking up my Fathom 2 in two days based on this and a few other reviews on TH-cam praising the Fathom 2. I mostly do rails-to-trails, but was looking for a do it all bike that can do some more challenging stuff as well. I'm 5'-10" with a 32" inseam. Ordered a size Medium. Hoping I made the right choice...
@@mikerowley2139 I'm happy to say, no complaints so far. I've put about 100 miles on it too. I don't think you can go wrong either way at 5'-10", but if you want more nimble, I'd go towards M. My only "complaint" is I would like to get an aftermarket stem to position my bars just a tad higher. I do more rails to trails than "mountain" biking, and extended periods in the same position can get a little tiring. No fault of this bike though, because it's not really catering to rails to trails.
Got a Talon 1.. wish I could have gotten a Fathom but I'm impulsive and had to get a bike NOW NOW NOW :) It's ok, I'll keep it forever and use it as a bikepacking / adventure bike once I go full sussy :)
Just picked out the 2021 Fathom 1 27.5 for my roommate's first mountain bike! He's 6ft and the only one they had available was an XL, so hopefully it won't be too big. I'm the same height as him and when I tried it out, it actually felt pretty perfect. Felt very stable. The only thing I noticed was that manuals and wheelies definitely took some more effort
@@kaleminnema1526 He likes it! If you're 6ft then it should fit you perfectly fine. We both felt comfortable on it. The only negative thing I have to say about it is the longer reach/chainstay make it hard to get the front wheel up for bunny hops and wheelies, but it also means the bike feels more stable on the downhills. Popping a 35mm stem and riser bar on there should help a lot with that though.
Dude your videos are wonderful and detailed who else is giving opinions from the 80’s or bike weight and so on. This bike is REALLY impressive and also let be know I’m a mechanic and hate bikes with low stacks equals numb hands. I have a riftzone 3 and have all the spacers under a 50mmx30* raise stem with 60mm riser bars and fat paw 36MM grips and it’s better but that’s about it. I’m sic of it and will be selling. The stack is like a 616 around and the reach is stupid at 505mm. I’m 6-1” as well and prefer to be on a large It’s a nice bike and honestly I like it for wheeling about it. This bike has 20mm taller stack reach in my plus reach which will still slow Me to have my elbows bent. Fenders are not hard to mount with creativity light plastic fronts are already made for for crowns and they have clamp racks for rear seat stays that don’t require braze on holes. And the weight mine with a 27.5x3.0 front and 2.8 rear turd is a bit over 34LBS. I’m tired of lugging the weight. We si over 4-6LBS on a bike it’s super dramatic especially pulling ten plus miles.
Got a sub from me! Great spec vids, I am in Nevada US and am waiting for my giant talon one to arrive. That was your first vid I watched. As a beginner in MTB, I originally was trying to tech out a Schwinn big box MTB until it made sense to sell and upgrade. I’ve spent 10s of hours figuring out how to piece the schwinn together so came to your vid with a little research but not a lot of experience. Great mix of specs, comparisons, and anecdotes for a hands on beginner rider like me. Thanks, keep it up!
@@BikeBrosBikeShop Hi bro new sub here. I just want to ask if the frame of 27.5 and 29 Fathom 2 identical? If so, is there a pedal strike issue in the 27.5?
@@BikeBrosBikeShop man what a fine bike modern geometry loved it . N u said its intermediate hardtail which will be understatement becz it has v aggressive geometry
Love your channel!!! Very detailed in your description of each bike, I’ve been debating between the Talon 0 or the Fathom 2 - 27.5 but the more I think about it this is the better choice. I wish the Fathom 2 also came in Black/Blue Ashes or Teal.
@@larrymoore2571 In Canada our colour options for the Fathom 1 27.5 is Teal and for the Fathom 2 27.5 is Concrete. Also for the Fathom 1 29 is Desert Sage and the Fathom 2 29 is Black/Blue Ashes.
Agreed. I think stuff must happen behind the scenes to have product included or ignored on those lists... just like they often seem to find arbitrary issues to highlight or make a big deal of. Either way, this bike does what it does exceptionally well.
I have a 2022 model in a Terracotta which came with pedals M225 Wellgo pedals here in Australia and 31.8mm bars - but I love the fathom and I think regardless of the year they are amazing sadly, we don't get the 27.5 inch model here in Australia. excellent video though so keep up the amazing work.
I really like my 2021 Fathom 2 29. I just got rid of my 2018 Fuel EX 7 to go back to a HT and it’s been fun so far. I opted for the cheaper model and upgraded the brakes myself. I’d rather have Shimano deore than sram SX.
Great video. I do have one size large.. since few months. But in UK its coming with sr santour raiden 34mm fork instead of giant crest. Other then that it is the same. I love this bike, every minute on it is pure pleasure.. Amazing aggresive hardtail.
I'm in the U.S. Trying to choose a medium 27.5 mtb.. Between the Fathom 2 (on sale right now), or the Polygon Xtrada 7. Was also considering the Specialized Fuse (base) and Specialized Rockhopper Expert. All in similar price range. I'm seeking a lightweight, playful fun mtb for jumps, manuels, bunnyhops, tricks around the house and light / medium trail fun.. Thanks for any feedback 🙏.
I’ve got this bike and wanting to know if I can install a Thule chariot 2 bike trailer to it with the rear axle being different than other bikes with the quick realise clips where’s this bikes got the wide black sort of pin that sits into the frame ?? Need help
Thinking to buy secondhand Polygon siskiu d6 2018 vs. GT avalanche expert 2014 vs. Giant fathom 29 2 2017. Which one would be the best choice if its conditions and prices are same. Please help me any advice and suggestions? Thanks!
It would be nice if they offered a long bash guard option part that bolts to the mounts on the front of the downtube and wrap around the bottom bracket. I like the step up from the also great Talon.
Im 5'7 and a half and A little over 5'8 when wearing most shoes. Would you get the small of the medium? The small goes from 5'4 to 5'8 and the medium goed from 5'8 to 5'11 . I just want to feel comfortable when riding
You could likely ride either. When in doubt I always suggest a test ride because everyone has different body proportions, flexibility, strength and bike feel preference.
If you would upgrade the fork, what is the recomended maximum travel for this fathom 2 27.5? Would a 30t oval chainring fit on this bike?
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Excellent review! My friend is planning to maybe choosing this bike. I've heard that this fork had some clicking noise issues. Do you think it has been resolved?
I can't decide between the fathom 2 and the stance 2. The fathom has better components, but the stance has a frame with a rear fork. I'm looking for a downhill bike mainly. Any input which bike might be better?
Thanks for the question. Very tough answer. Neither is the obvious winner. If you're going to be riding aggressively I think the Fathom is better because it will leave you a few dollars to replace broken parts as you break them and potentially upgrade (brakes). You will also become a better rider faster on a hardtail.
Need your help bro. I need bike like this but not sure on the size? This bike is 29er? Where can I order bike like this? Im live here in UAE. 5’10 105kg using for daily service. Thanks bro
How would this bike (or the 29er) compare against the Growler on steep descents, climbing, and rough tech with small drops? I’m looking at both but I’m not sure which one to get.
It may come down to the rider's attitude and skill. A very skilled and aggressive rider would likely prefer the Growler especially on steeps. Less aggressive riders may prefer the Fathom.
Love the 21 Fathom line and I think its the bike I wanna buy. I noticed the Trek Roscoe has kick stand bolt holes on the non drive side chainstay portion...can a kick stand be added to the Fathom? This would be my beginner trail bike with 50/50 trail and paved, but I kind of just want to buy once and be done with it, without the need to upgrade. So is this a good beginner spec bike and can a kickstand be added?
Adding a kickstand might be a challenge. We don't suggest having a kickstand on a bike that will actually go mountain biking. The bumps can cause the kickstand to pop down and cause a safety issue - or just make a lot of noise.
Yes you can put a kick stand some kick stands have a lock position.that way if you go off road you can lock it on the up position that way stay in place.if you go on the road you can unlock it hope this help.
Hi, with the bike not having ISCG tabs and a press fit BB, I honestly don't know of any. They may exist but we have never had anyone ask for one so we've never searched out the solution. That said, the reason we haven't had to seek one out is that the modern combo of narrow/wide chainrings and clutch derailleurs almost eliminates chains bouncing off chainrings.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop , thanks for responding. That’s what I thought too having the wide and narrow teeth combination but it would be great to have a chain ring protection. How about a bash ring?
Anybody knows the model of the rear shimano hub? How is it as far as points of engagement? What about the Praxis press fit bottom bracket cups, are they aluminum of composite?
Maybe a funny question but I never had 1x12 bike, on 3x7 bikes on left side you change 3 speeds and on right one you change other 7. On 1x12 on right one I guess thoes 12 but what do you change on left side since it has only 1 speed?
You make such great content, to the point and precise. I am getting into bike riding for fitness and looking for a hybrid bike that I could use for fitness and occasionally take it to bike trail as well. There is so many bikes out there and being first time buyer it got my head spinning. What would you recommend for a budget around 600 CAD. I would really appreciate an advice. Thanks.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop Thank you very much for the advice. At the moment, pretty much all the bike shops are closed due to Covid lock down. I will begin my search when things resume hopefully soon.
The frame size between Fathom 2 XL and Talon 0 XL is different by 2 inches will this be noticeable as I’m 6’3. Would I be best with a Talon due to frame size? I would using the bike for commuting and lite trails, and fire roads. Thanks
Hi Kevin, I assume you're referring to seattube length? The Fathom has a shorter seat tube but quite a bit longer reach. Unless you have exceptionally long legs (like freakish level long), I don't think you will have any issues with fit on either a Talon or Fathom. You're also in the middle of XL sizing so you aren't pushing the limits on either bike. I'd suggest still picking the bike that fits your budget and/or intended use. If you're truely mountain biking, I'd suggest the Fathom as it is an incredible value and performer for actual mountain biking. The Talon would be more of a really nice daily rider that you could take on trails, but not going to inspire confidence like the Fathom.
@@MrTacoJay realistically you'd have to ride super aggressively and put on huge miles... I have a lot of respect for Giant's manufacturing and engineering.
Hey I’m considering getting this or a polygon Siskin d7 what do you think is better?? I ride a lot of tech and love riding. Also if you had this and i wanted to buy it but i have some parts that I’d like to put on it, would you charge me for adding those parts or would you install them for free?im thinking brakes as i find tektros unreliable. Also what pedals would you recommend for a fla rider???
For pedals, my favorite are Crank Brothers Stamps. They have proven to be good and have many different quality levels. I don't think we have any Fathoms available for a while.
Hi, the two most common issues with press-fit bbs have been that they can creak and are harder to service. To be fair, the bad reputation largely was from other bike brands that used a different version of press fit combined with really bad quality control of their frames which resulted in the common creaking problems. We have been very impressed with Giant and the press-fit standard they have used for not having issues. The pros for press-fit is that it is a lighter system, incorporates larger bearings spaced further apart, provides a larger stronger bb and I think, in mass production, can make assembly quicker. Fans of threaded bottom bracket like the simplicity of removal/install and ease of fixing creaks (remove, clean, reinstall). I don't think one or the other is necessarily better.
Hello, I am 6’2” Should I go for medium frame Fathom 2 (only option available) or Talon 1 instead which is available in Large frame size I am a beginner Enthusiast of Mountain biking
@@BikeBrosBikeShop Thanks Do you think a raised handle bar and seat would do with fathom medium frame. I don't have much experience in choosing a right size
Thanks for watching. Head angle isn't slack enough to really negatively affect handling for daily use. For bike packing... not sure. That could mean so many things.
Does anyone know if the 2021 fathom 27.5 and 29 have exactly the same frame that if you exchange their fork and wheels, you will get the same geometry and performance for both? I'm asking coz I'm planning on changing my fathom 29er to 27.5. Thanks
They are not the same frame - like a 29" wheel won't even fit on a 27.5" frame. Going the other way, (putting a 27.5" wheel on a 29er frame) will work but it isn't safe. Doing that will drop your bottom bracket enough that you will increase the likelihood of a harsh pedal strike while going over roots/rocks or cornering while pedalling - that can cause really bad crashes so I would not recommend doing it.
Suntour makes everything from very cheap to quite high-end forks so hard to answer, but compared to the level of Suntour fork found on other bikes in this price range, the Giant fork is better because it is lighter and has an air spring.
I bought this bike, black/rosewood. I’m new to MTB, it says it is tubeless ready. My friends are telling me that i would still need to buy the stem. But I’ve read somewhere that all i need is to be buy sealant. Can someone please help?
Hard without knowing what Specialized model and what year it was as the last 5 years has seen a shift in how bikes are sized, stem lengths etc. If you Know what it was about the fit that didn't work that will help you to analyze geometry charts to look for models that improve the measurements that are causing you issues.
If your primary use is riding mountain bike trails choose the Fathom, if you use the bike more as a daily rider around town with occasional off-road then the Talon. Besides drivetrain and brakes the Fathom is a very different spec: thru axles, dropper, 30mm longer and stronger fork, better rims, tires and Tubeless... all things that make the Fathom perform better offroad.
If you ride trails at all Fathom 2 is much better choice. Fathom has wider wheels, better tires (2.5" wide DHF/Aggressor in US), tubeless ready, dropper post, thru axle wheels, more travel and more trail friendly geometry. All that for $200 USD more. It is no brainer. To upgrade any one of those would cost you $200 USD. And you can not upgrade to better geometry and thruaxle without changing the frame. If you plan on only riding on paved road and wide gravel road, talon may be ok, but then just get cheaper lower end one like talon 2 or 3. I am not even sure why they have talon 0 in the line up.
If it helps, in the Trek line, the Roscoe is the more comparative line to the Fathom. The advantages the Trek has are they run a true plus size tire, and frankly have more and in my opinion better color choices. Up until the 2021 model year the Roscoe was the better bike, but now the Fathom is. I’d get this one over the Roscoe with the current specs, and it’s even a little cheaper.
Hi, thanks for watching. This is very different from the Scale as far as Geometry goes. The Fathom is much more of a trail bike while the Scale is more inspired by older Cross Country race bikes. As a rider, the difference would mean the Fathom would feel more stable and be easier to manage on faster, steeper, bumpier trails while also putting the rider in a more neutral position on climbs.
Hi, I personally would rather have a Deore 1x12 bike however there are people who prefer Sram and they'd point out that the Fathom 1 has an NX derailleur (taking the worst part out of the SX line up). The Fathom 1 also has Shimano brakes - depending on your luck with which level of Shimano brakes (so up in the air as suppliers scramble with substitute parts) if you get the MT420s the brake upgrade is a good improvement too. My personal choice would be a Fathom 2 and upgrading the brakes to Shimano MT520 or better (depending on availability).
I don't know. The professional answer is that you need to stick with the stock fork length both for the sake of warranty and because the bike was designed around a 130mm fork.
Watched your video on Talon 1, called a dealer and they were getting one in my size in a few weeks, so I put a deposit on it. Watched this video and gave them a call back asking if they might have Fathom 2 and they are getting the exact one as in this video next week! You got Giant quite a few clients with your videos!
My bike shop had this bike for $1250
Funny you should mention that: I went to look at a Talon 2 29 (I had a 27.5), decided I would like the gear upgrades on a Talon 1, and the guy in the shop was of the opinion that once you start spending much more than Talon 2 money you should really start looking at the Fathom instead. Took it for a ride around the block and happily agreed with him.
I've bought a fathom 2, it's awell built mtb for the price range A great starter.
That intro... literally me coming from a Trek Marlin 6. Even the Canadian part lol
Just got the 29 fathom 2, blue/black year 2021.Gorgeous bike
Nice! Congrats on the new bike. Great choice
I want get one and I’m considering between 27.5 and 29er. Why did you go for the 29 if I may ask?
I picked one up today and got the 27.5. I love the rosewood and can't wait for this Summer. Local stores in OKC said September...so I thankfully found one in Florida.
@@freakybaby1012 in my case I'm 6'5", it just feels better to ride around on. Also I ride the bike on the London streets a lot and it just stomps up kerbs ;-)
One of the best riding bikes I have ever owned. Once I got the chain ring fixed grips and pedals I fell in love.
I bought this bike during the bike shortage period. I might take it to Sedona to see how it holds up stock. Not too many 27.5 hard tails on the market it seems these days.
Your reviews are 2nd to none, keep them coming!
I reckon this is one of the best reviews I’ve watched thanks guys sick job
thanks! and thanks for watching.
I purchased this bike off this review, and I'm so pleased with it. By far the best bike I've ever owned and it's worth every penny.
Nice! Congrats.
How does this bike climb ? do you find on really steep stuff that it lifts alot hope you done mind me asking this cheers
Thanks for the video. I picked one up a couple weeks ago. Still getting a feel for it but sure glad I got it.
Congrats
Nice, is the Mayte colour easy to get scratched?
@@rocha2333 i have the Rosewood. No issues at all
Since you asked.....yes, this is *precisely* the kind of YT video I like to see from local bike shops!
Ordered mine from my local store in UK. Should be ready to collect in a couple of weeks. Can't wait to collect it!
Thanks for the great video. Why doesn't every serious bike shop do this?? You made me crave for this bike. Greetings from Germany.
Great review! All the information I was looking for
I appreciate your video, I was between a stoic 2 and fathom 2 but I’ve decided to go with the fathom 2 after watching you r video. 🤙🏽
how are you, do you know what the cost of the stoic 2 is and what is the cost of the fathom 2?
Great review Mate
Keen on making a purchase for the 2022 Giant Fathom 2 29 I need to ask however I’ve seen complaints about the Fork Giant Crest 34 RCL it has me in two minds but your Review again has helped me a lot.
Cheers, Jack
i just ordered mine the other day, i got the terracotta color because that was the only one in that frame size they were going to get but it still looks like a good color
I own the black/rosewood '21 Fathom 2 and I absolutely love this bike. This bike loves to climb. Giant has had an issue with installing a non-boost chainring on some of these bikes, so if you are interested in buying one make sure there is an offset on the chainring or you will be miserable with chain drop. My 1st ride was horrible; chain drop about 20 times. I see that others had this problem on Giant's website reviews. Giant mailed a replacement ring, and my LBS installed a 32t for me so I could ride immediately, but I'm keeping it instead of the 30t replacement. This bike doesn't beat me up like other ht's I've owned, yet the frame has great lateral stiffness. That Crest fork is much better than I had hoped. Brakes were terrible at first, but after a few rides, they are not bad at all now. This bike checks all the boxes for me and it's a great value.
Thanks for that info. I will be on the lookout for chainring problems. I hope that they fix this on later production (Giant has been quite good in the past for resolving issues mid production ). Good to hear your thoughts on how the bike rides.
Hi Larry
I also have a 2021 fathom 2 and I’m the lowest gears with throw the chain when peddling hard. It’s very annoying. Is the revised sprocket obviously offset to look at or is it just a lip machined on the bac?Mine appears to be just flat. Otherwise great bike can’t fault it 👍
@@brockbarford1991 Hi Brock, yes you have the incorrect chainring installed if it is flat. The correct boost chainring will have a bulge inside the crank arm that will cure the problem with chain drop. Giant will ship the correct chainring to your local Giant dealer and pay for them to replace it.
Thanks Larry 👍 I’ll get in contact with the bike shop I bought it from
Hey Larry heard about this issue as well, going to look at a fathom 2 soon and want to know what to look out for to see if there’s a boost chainring, how can I tell?
Awesome content just ordered my phantom 2 27.5 in the rosewood color can’t wait to ride it
Picking up my Fathom 2 in two days based on this and a few other reviews on TH-cam praising the Fathom 2. I mostly do rails-to-trails, but was looking for a do it all bike that can do some more challenging stuff as well. I'm 5'-10" with a 32" inseam. Ordered a size Medium. Hoping I made the right choice...
Any thoughts on the sizing I'm 5ft10 178cm and was thinking of going with a large? How is yours suting you so far?
@@mikerowley2139 I'm happy to say, no complaints so far. I've put about 100 miles on it too. I don't think you can go wrong either way at 5'-10", but if you want more nimble, I'd go towards M. My only "complaint" is I would like to get an aftermarket stem to position my bars just a tad higher. I do more rails to trails than "mountain" biking, and extended periods in the same position can get a little tiring. No fault of this bike though, because it's not really catering to rails to trails.
Very good review! Helped me a lot, I subbed.
Thanks for the sub!
Got a Talon 1.. wish I could have gotten a Fathom but I'm impulsive and had to get a bike NOW NOW NOW :)
It's ok, I'll keep it forever and use it as a bikepacking / adventure bike once I go full sussy :)
The Talon 1 is a great bike and it is better to have a bike than wait too long for something else to arrive.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop absolutely, it has served me well, I put 1,000 trail miles on it this summer! :)
Just picked out the 2021 Fathom 1 27.5 for my roommate's first mountain bike! He's 6ft and the only one they had available was an XL, so hopefully it won't be too big. I'm the same height as him and when I tried it out, it actually felt pretty perfect. Felt very stable. The only thing I noticed was that manuals and wheelies definitely took some more effort
any follow up? How's your roommate like it? I just bought an XL and I'm 6ft, worried it might be a bit too big
@@kaleminnema1526 He likes it! If you're 6ft then it should fit you perfectly fine. We both felt comfortable on it. The only negative thing I have to say about it is the longer reach/chainstay make it hard to get the front wheel up for bunny hops and wheelies, but it also means the bike feels more stable on the downhills. Popping a 35mm stem and riser bar on there should help a lot with that though.
@@jtkyberawesome glad to hear, gonna try a 35mm stem, thanks brother!
@@kaleminnema1526 No probs. Enjoy! It's a great bike
Dude your videos are wonderful and detailed who else is giving opinions from the 80’s or bike weight and so on. This bike is REALLY impressive and also let be know I’m a mechanic and hate bikes with low stacks equals numb hands. I have a riftzone 3 and have all the spacers under a 50mmx30* raise stem with 60mm riser bars and fat paw 36MM grips and it’s better but that’s about it. I’m sic of it and will be selling. The stack is like a 616 around and the reach is stupid at 505mm. I’m 6-1” as well and prefer to be on a large It’s a nice bike and honestly I like it for wheeling about it. This bike has 20mm taller stack reach in my plus reach which will still slow
Me to have my elbows bent. Fenders are not hard to mount with creativity light plastic fronts are already made for for crowns and they have clamp racks for rear seat stays that don’t require braze on holes. And the weight mine with a 27.5x3.0 front and 2.8 rear turd is a bit over 34LBS. I’m tired of lugging the weight. We si over
4-6LBS on a bike it’s super dramatic especially pulling ten plus miles.
grammar is pretty bad.
Got a sub from me! Great spec vids, I am in Nevada US and am waiting for my giant talon one to arrive. That was your first vid I watched. As a beginner in MTB, I originally was trying to tech out a Schwinn big box MTB until it made sense to sell and upgrade. I’ve spent 10s of hours figuring out how to piece the schwinn together so came to your vid with a little research but not a lot of experience. Great mix of specs, comparisons, and anecdotes for a hands on beginner rider like me. Thanks, keep it up!
Thanks for watching and I'm glad the video was useful... pretty much sums up why I do these videos
@@BikeBrosBikeShop Hi bro new sub here. I just want to ask if the frame of 27.5 and 29 Fathom 2 identical? If so, is there a pedal strike issue in the 27.5?
Just got mine 29er fathom 1 loved it
Congrats. We haven't even seen the 29er version yet.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop man what a fine bike modern geometry loved it . N u said its intermediate hardtail which will be understatement becz it has v aggressive geometry
Picking up my 2021 fathom 2 29er this weekend. Been waiting since last October for it to come in.
This is my next bike...someday. Need to shred in my Marin Bobcat Trail 3 27.5 first.
Going from an asphalt trail guy and just now staring to wander into some hard pack and single trails. I feel like this is gonna be the one.
It’s a great choice for the price and has a good upgradable frame .
Love your channel!!! Very detailed in your description of each bike, I’ve been debating between the Talon 0 or the Fathom 2 - 27.5 but the more I think about it this is the better choice. I wish the Fathom 2 also came in Black/Blue Ashes or Teal.
Thanks Chris. Agreed. More colour options would be great. And if a dropper was planned for the Talon 0, you're half way there.
The Fathom 2 27.5 also comes in black/rosewood that looks better in person than photos especially in the sun.
@@larrymoore2571 In Canada our colour options for the Fathom 1 27.5 is Teal and for the Fathom 2 27.5 is Concrete. Also for the Fathom 1 29 is Desert Sage and the Fathom 2 29 is Black/Blue Ashes.
Great video. Thx!!! 😁😁😁Not sure why this isn't on uk best hardtail lists? All superb value and no weaknesses as far as I can see!
Agreed. I think stuff must happen behind the scenes to have product included or ignored on those lists... just like they often seem to find arbitrary issues to highlight or make a big deal of. Either way, this bike does what it does exceptionally well.
The tektro brakes and pedals are the only things holding this bike back from being a 2000$ CAD + hardtail
I have a 2022 model in a Terracotta which came with pedals M225 Wellgo pedals here in Australia and 31.8mm bars - but I love the fathom and I think regardless of the year they are amazing sadly, we don't get the 27.5 inch model here in Australia. excellent video though so keep up the amazing work.
I really like my 2021 Fathom 2 29. I just got rid of my 2018 Fuel EX 7 to go back to a HT and it’s been fun so far. I opted for the cheaper model and upgraded the brakes myself. I’d rather have Shimano deore than sram SX.
Great choice. Congrats. I'm with you on Deore over SX
Great video.
I do have one size large.. since few months.
But in UK its coming with sr santour raiden 34mm fork instead of giant crest.
Other then that it is the same.
I love this bike, every minute on it is pure pleasure..
Amazing aggresive hardtail.
Wow this bike is such a great deal for its price. I hope there one too in the Philippines. Planning to go home soon.
I hope so too!
Giant's local Ph distributor is Life Cycle. You can try looking from there.
I'm in the U.S. Trying to choose a medium 27.5 mtb.. Between the Fathom 2 (on sale right now), or the Polygon Xtrada 7. Was also considering the Specialized Fuse (base) and Specialized Rockhopper Expert. All in similar price range. I'm seeking a lightweight, playful fun mtb for jumps, manuels, bunnyhops, tricks around the house and light / medium trail fun.. Thanks for any feedback 🙏.
What did you go with?
I'm buying this bike... Due to your humourous honesty 👌😂
I'm getting one of these as my first real mountain bike. I know it's a little overkill, but I plan to use it for a long time.
Great choice. Enjoy!
I got the Fathom 2 a few weeks ago. It's an amazing bike.
this is the first time I see the cheaper bike being better,,,Fathom 2 vs Fathom1
I just ordered this exact spec bike in Ottawa hope it comes in soon
Congrats! Enjoy. Let people know what you think in the comments after you get to ride it!
Great video ,well explained
Thanks and thanks for watching
Hi, I would like to know if a good idea to mullet the giant phaton, using 27.5-wheel rear, and 29 wheel on the front.
I agree with you,got mine work in progress.
Do you know any information on the 2023 model? Curious if there's any differencs.
I’ve got this bike and wanting to know if I can install a Thule chariot 2 bike trailer to it with the rear axle being different than other bikes with the quick realise clips where’s this bikes got the wide black sort of pin that sits into the frame ?? Need help
Thinking to buy secondhand Polygon siskiu d6 2018 vs. GT avalanche expert 2014 vs. Giant fathom 29 2 2017. Which one would be the best choice if its conditions and prices are same.
Please help me any advice and suggestions? Thanks!
For me, probably the Giant or Polygon
thanks for video 👍 Canadian reviewer rocks .
I paid 1.4 for mine. Exactly the one he’s showing in XL and it came with pedals
Mine did aswell and it had different forks on it 🧐
It would be nice if they offered a long bash guard option part that bolts to the mounts on the front of the downtube and wrap around the bottom bracket. I like the step up from the also great Talon.
They only seem to offer those on carbon frames. They must think aluminum frames aren't worth protecting.
Good review. Thank you
Super .both are so great.aluminum version. Soon.will have carbon versions....
I hope do. I would live a carbon Fathom
Im 5'7 and a half and A little over 5'8 when wearing most shoes. Would you get the small of the medium? The small goes from 5'4 to 5'8 and the medium goed from 5'8 to 5'11 . I just want to feel comfortable when riding
You could likely ride either. When in doubt I always suggest a test ride because everyone has different body proportions, flexibility, strength and bike feel preference.
If you would upgrade the fork, what is the recomended maximum travel for this fathom 2 27.5?
Would a 30t oval chainring fit on this bike?
Excellent review! My friend is planning to maybe choosing this bike. I've heard that this fork had some clicking noise issues. Do you think it has been resolved?
We've experienced that twice out of about 20 of these we've seen
What about a medium? I’m 6ft. But there is 1 on sale for £700 so it’s like half price ! Sounds good if medium would be ok for me
I can't decide between the fathom 2 and the stance 2. The fathom has better components, but the stance has a frame with a rear fork. I'm looking for a downhill bike mainly. Any input which bike might be better?
Thanks for the question. Very tough answer. Neither is the obvious winner. If you're going to be riding aggressively I think the Fathom is better because it will leave you a few dollars to replace broken parts as you break them and potentially upgrade (brakes). You will also become a better rider faster on a hardtail.
Need your help bro. I need bike like this but not sure on the size? This bike is 29er? Where can I order bike like this? Im live here in UAE. 5’10 105kg using for daily service. Thanks bro
Think a Small could fit a 5'3" female with 28-28.5" inseam?
How would this bike (or the 29er) compare against the Growler on steep descents, climbing, and rough tech with small drops? I’m looking at both but I’m not sure which one to get.
It may come down to the rider's attitude and skill. A very skilled and aggressive rider would likely prefer the Growler especially on steeps. Less aggressive riders may prefer the Fathom.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop Ok, thank you very much for the info!
This video made me subscribe. Thanks, Mate
Thanks!
Love the 21 Fathom line and I think its the bike I wanna buy. I noticed the Trek Roscoe has kick stand bolt holes on the non drive side chainstay portion...can a kick stand be added to the Fathom? This would be my beginner trail bike with 50/50 trail and paved, but I kind of just want to buy once and be done with it, without the need to upgrade. So is this a good beginner spec bike and can a kickstand be added?
Adding a kickstand might be a challenge. We don't suggest having a kickstand on a bike that will actually go mountain biking. The bumps can cause the kickstand to pop down and cause a safety issue - or just make a lot of noise.
Yes you can put a kick stand some kick stands have a lock position.that way if you go off road you can lock it on the up position that way stay in place.if you go on the road you can unlock it hope this help.
Great video! Just subscribed. What chain ring guide and bash guard would be compatible with the Giant Fathom? Thanks
Hi, with the bike not having ISCG tabs and a press fit BB, I honestly don't know of any. They may exist but we have never had anyone ask for one so we've never searched out the solution. That said, the reason we haven't had to seek one out is that the modern combo of narrow/wide chainrings and clutch derailleurs almost eliminates chains bouncing off chainrings.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop , thanks for responding. That’s what I thought too having the wide and narrow teeth combination but it would be great to have a chain ring protection. How about a bash ring?
Anybody knows the model of the rear shimano hub? How is it as far as points of engagement? What about the Praxis press fit bottom bracket cups, are they aluminum of composite?
Maybe a funny question but I never had 1x12 bike, on 3x7 bikes on left side you change 3 speeds and on right one you change other 7. On 1x12 on right one I guess thoes 12 but what do you change on left side since it has only 1 speed?
No shifter on the left, which makes things nice and simple or allows for a dropper seatpost remote on the left without adding confusion
Just got mine today!
Congrats. Lucky to get one this year!
Great job with the review
You make such great content, to the point and precise. I am getting into bike riding for fitness and looking for a hybrid bike that I could use for fitness and occasionally take it to bike trail as well. There is so many bikes out there and being first time buyer it got my head spinning. What would you recommend for a budget around 600 CAD. I would really appreciate an advice. Thanks.
See if you can track down a Giant ATX. At your budget you need to squeeze every bit out of every dollar and Giant does a great job of that.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop Thank you very much for the advice. At the moment, pretty much all the bike shops are closed due to Covid lock down. I will begin my search when things resume hopefully soon.
Thx man, great review
The frame size between Fathom 2 XL and Talon 0 XL is different by 2 inches will this be noticeable as I’m 6’3. Would I be best with a Talon due to frame size? I would using the bike for commuting and lite trails, and fire roads. Thanks
Hi Kevin, I assume you're referring to seattube length? The Fathom has a shorter seat tube but quite a bit longer reach. Unless you have exceptionally long legs (like freakish level long), I don't think you will have any issues with fit on either a Talon or Fathom. You're also in the middle of XL sizing so you aren't pushing the limits on either bike. I'd suggest still picking the bike that fits your budget and/or intended use. If you're truely mountain biking, I'd suggest the Fathom as it is an incredible value and performer for actual mountain biking. The Talon would be more of a really nice daily rider that you could take on trails, but not going to inspire confidence like the Fathom.
Great video.great review
Thank you!
Love this bike. Can you explain the benefits of the seat stay position, being lower than the top tube. Is the strength still there ?
The idea is to allow a tiny bit of flex vertically in the rear end. The more horizontal the seat stay, the more it allows vertical flex.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop any strength issues?
@@MrTacoJay realistically you'd have to ride super aggressively and put on huge miles... I have a lot of respect for Giant's manufacturing and engineering.
Hey I’m considering getting this or a polygon Siskin d7 what do you think is better?? I ride a lot of tech and love riding. Also if you had this and i wanted to buy it but i have some parts that I’d like to put on it, would you charge me for adding those parts or would you install them for free?im thinking brakes as i find tektros unreliable. Also what pedals would you recommend for a fla rider???
I don't know the Polygon bikes in detail but in general they look good (they aren't really a thing in Canada).
For pedals, my favorite are Crank Brothers Stamps. They have proven to be good and have many different quality levels. I don't think we have any Fathoms available for a while.
are press fit bottom brackets still ok? how about pros and cons for a press fit BB compared to threaded...?
Hi, the two most common issues with press-fit bbs have been that they can creak and are harder to service. To be fair, the bad reputation largely was from other bike brands that used a different version of press fit combined with really bad quality control of their frames which resulted in the common creaking problems. We have been very impressed with Giant and the press-fit standard they have used for not having issues. The pros for press-fit is that it is a lighter system, incorporates larger bearings spaced further apart, provides a larger stronger bb and I think, in mass production, can make assembly quicker. Fans of threaded bottom bracket like the simplicity of removal/install and ease of fixing creaks (remove, clean, reinstall). I don't think one or the other is necessarily better.
I have one in all black and man, do I love it!
Me to.
Hello, I am 6’2”
Should I go for medium frame Fathom 2 (only option available) or Talon 1 instead which is available in Large frame size
I am a beginner Enthusiast of Mountain biking
That is a tough one... I love the Fathom but I think in your situation a Large Talon would be better...
@@BikeBrosBikeShop Thanks
Do you think a raised handle bar and seat would do with fathom medium frame.
I don't have much experience in choosing a right size
How is it for everyfday use and bickpacking ? How much head tube angle affect this things ?
Thanks for watching. Head angle isn't slack enough to really negatively affect handling for daily use. For bike packing... not sure. That could mean so many things.
I had the option between this and the Marin San Quentin 2, I went for the Marin - this looks great though 👌
Great choice. Enjoy the bike!
I have a fathom 2 2022 29 on order. Not many reviews on them be good if you can get hold of 1 👍
Works the way it is supposed to. Just Good
Witch is more nimble between the fathom and the San Quentin I know it’s lighter but for manuals
The San Quentin is probably a bit more manual friendly - just by chainstay length being shorter.
What about the chainline issue with the installed crank plate being non offset causing it to shift badly and a dropped chain?
Thanks for watching. We haven't seen that. We will look for it on the next batch
Sub’d. Looking at either the fathom 1 or 2 in 29er. Can’t decide if the 1 is worth the added cost over the 2
I personally prefer the Fathom 2 because I love the Deore drivetrain. Love the Fathom 1 colour though.
What size is the bottom bracket on it? I can't seem to find any info.
the question is how good is the Fork Giant Crest 34 RCL compared to other fork manufacturer ?
I'd say similar to the performance of a Rock Shox Recon except lighter.
Does anyone know if the 2021 fathom 27.5 and 29 have exactly the same frame that if you exchange their fork and wheels, you will get the same geometry and performance for both? I'm asking coz I'm planning on changing my fathom 29er to 27.5. Thanks
They are not the same frame - like a 29" wheel won't even fit on a 27.5" frame. Going the other way, (putting a 27.5" wheel on a 29er frame) will work but it isn't safe. Doing that will drop your bottom bracket enough that you will increase the likelihood of a harsh pedal strike while going over roots/rocks or cornering while pedalling - that can cause really bad crashes so I would not recommend doing it.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop Thanks
Nice one! Can you review the growler40 too! More power bike bros
Thanks, yes, planning on a Growler 20, 30 and 40 review when we get our shipment (not due until March or April if I remember right)
Thanks. Great video.
Thank you very helpfull🎉
beautiful bike
I'm crazy. I don't know which one to choose if this FATHOM 29 2 or the Giant XTC SLR 29 2. I appreciate any help.
Fathom for fast challenging descending. XTC for faster climbing, slower speed trails
Are giant fathom 2022 considered all mountain?
I'd think of it more as a trail bike.. a bit lighter, more nimble than all mountain.
Between suntour and giant fork which one is better???
Suntour makes everything from very cheap to quite high-end forks so hard to answer, but compared to the level of Suntour fork found on other bikes in this price range, the Giant fork is better because it is lighter and has an air spring.
On fathom 2 it have 2 spec uk and us
I found a Phantom 1 at the same price as the 2... What do you think?
I bought this bike, black/rosewood. I’m new to MTB, it says it is tubeless ready. My friends are telling me that i would still need to buy the stem. But I’ve read somewhere that all i need is to be buy sealant. Can someone please help?
Hi, your bike should be set up tubeless already: with valves and sealant already installed and set up.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop thank you!
Its already tubeless. Mine came tubeless with sealant when i change tires.
@@Jaxongaming-d2l thank you!
Nopes ur bike is tubeless from factory
What's the shipping box size?
I'm currently 5'7 and riding a medium specialized that doesn't fit me very well anymore. Would I want to get this in a medium or go for a large?
Hard without knowing what Specialized model and what year it was as the last 5 years has seen a shift in how bikes are sized, stem lengths etc. If you Know what it was about the fit that didn't work that will help you to analyze geometry charts to look for models that improve the measurements that are causing you issues.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop alright, I'll look into it, thanks!
I buy the fathom 1 29 $1650 us amazing and awesome bike
Congratulations. You're lucky to even find one this year!
What would be the better choice... Giant Talon 0 or Giant Fathom 2 29?? Noticed both bikes have a few similar specs?!
If your primary use is riding mountain bike trails choose the Fathom, if you use the bike more as a daily rider around town with occasional off-road then the Talon. Besides drivetrain and brakes the Fathom is a very different spec: thru axles, dropper, 30mm longer and stronger fork, better rims, tires and Tubeless... all things that make the Fathom perform better offroad.
If you ride trails at all Fathom 2 is much better choice. Fathom has wider wheels, better tires (2.5" wide DHF/Aggressor in US), tubeless ready, dropper post, thru axle wheels, more travel and more trail friendly geometry. All that for $200 USD more. It is no brainer. To upgrade any one of those would cost you $200 USD. And you can not upgrade to better geometry and thruaxle without changing the frame. If you plan on only riding on paved road and wide gravel road, talon may be ok, but then just get cheaper lower end one like talon 2 or 3. I am not even sure why they have talon 0 in the line up.
The Fathom also has a higher quality frame than the Talon series.
If it helps, in the Trek line, the Roscoe is the more comparative line to the Fathom. The advantages the Trek has are they run a true plus size tire, and frankly have more and in my opinion better color choices. Up until the 2021 model year the Roscoe was the better bike, but now the Fathom is. I’d get this one over the Roscoe with the current specs, and it’s even a little cheaper.
How does this compare to the Scott Scale 970? Thanks.
Hi, thanks for watching. This is very different from the Scale as far as Geometry goes. The Fathom is much more of a trail bike while the Scale is more inspired by older Cross Country race bikes. As a rider, the difference would mean the Fathom would feel more stable and be easier to manage on faster, steeper, bumpier trails while also putting the rider in a more neutral position on climbs.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop thank you for your reply! This helps. My impression is you get more for the money with Giant.
@@grahameread5719 Yes, in Canada, Giant seems to offer quite a bit better value than Scott in most cases.
Isn’t this version. With deore 12speed better than the 1, with sx?
Deore>sx ?
Hi, I personally would rather have a Deore 1x12 bike however there are people who prefer Sram and they'd point out that the Fathom 1 has an NX derailleur (taking the worst part out of the SX line up). The Fathom 1 also has Shimano brakes - depending on your luck with which level of Shimano brakes (so up in the air as suppliers scramble with substitute parts) if you get the MT420s the brake upgrade is a good improvement too. My personal choice would be a Fathom 2 and upgrading the brakes to Shimano MT520 or better (depending on availability).
@@BikeBrosBikeShop thanks for the reply. I was thinking the same. Fathom 2 +brake upgrade
Does deore 12sp use microspline?
@@MrTacoJay Yes it does use Microspline.
Is the max fork compatible with giant fathom is 130mm? Or you can put 140mm?
I don't know. The professional answer is that you need to stick with the stock fork length both for the sake of warranty and because the bike was designed around a 130mm fork.
i am 5"6 do you think i can get away with a size M ? or should i stick with size S?
Medium i got a medium talon 4 at 5’4
What about the crest 34 clicking noise
We've only seen 2 instances of that and Giant sent something for the guys in the service department to replace. I don't know much more than that.
That's The bike I want but Black and rosewood
We don't get that color option I Canada. Looks rad though
@@BikeBrosBikeShop That Sucks