Ben Shapiro: I Wouldn't Let My Gay Son Get Married | The Kyle Kulinski Show
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Ben Shapiro is so obsessed with his idea of how people should be, that he doesn’t understand how people actually are.
Great comment.
Well said!
it just goes to show how his insistence on "freedom" is a complete farce, his freedom only matters not yours.
This is beautiful written. Very very true.
It's because he doesn't really accept what he is: a gay man.
As a married parent of two kids, I really think what's "ideal" is two parents. Kids are back breaking work, and I honestly don't understand how single parents survive. Regarding whether it's two men, two women or m/f, I don't think that matters nearly as much as just having two parents splitting the labor.
This this this, and if I can be bold enough to go one further, *ideally* one of the two would work a small enough amount of time that they could also be a homemaker/caretaker, regardless of which one of the two it was.
I think it’s natural for gay people to become more common in conditions of overpopulation. Their purpose is to take care of orphans.
And even if a child has 2 parents (no matter the gender combination), one might be emotionally absent. The child loses on that front. There's also this misconception that a gay man/woman can't take on the necessary gender roles required to raise a child. Then again, gender roles are antiquated.
I’d love to hear Kyle’s take on Shapiro claiming that the 1st amendment doesn’t protect satanism and that states should be allowed to limit free speech.
At first my thought was "lol, what's Ben Shapiro gonna do, have him shot? He's an adult."
Then I was like "holy shit yeah probably."
I like how the freedom crowd says, "I wouldn't let a legal adult do something I don't like".
@@mikem4481 the freedom crowd would be thrilled to bring back slavery. Marge is begging for civil war already.
@@mikem4481 Using their logic, sure. I mean, every author of the books of the Bible (including its central character, Jesus) very clearly operated as though slavery was normative. So, why not?
@@mikem4481 First of all, I'm not sure what you're asking or getting at.
If you'd quit being vague, I'd give you a clear answer.
@@mikem4481 And I really fail to see how owning slaves has anything to do with Ben Shapiro saying he wouldn't let his grown son marry whoever he wanted to.
You're kind of a weirdo, if I'm being honest.
@@mikem4481 can the slaves be Jews? I mean they re kind of used to it.
At least ben is honest about being a terrible dad to his children. Why does he always talk so fast.
It's to give an appearance that he's somehow brilliant. That these "ideas" just come to him in the moment. When really it's all just a pre-fabbed set of talking points and misdirections he's been media trained to spew. But don't tell millions of aimless young men that their hero is a complete load of shit.
He's either some kind of nuerodivirgent and can't help it or he's doing it on purpose cuz he thinks on top of him being redundantly wordy that it projects an aura of intellectual to his viewers and can throw people off rhythm in a debate
The video/audio shown in this clip when Shapiro is speaking is sped up. Although, not when Piece is speaking.
He likes the sound of his voice.
From the few clips I've seen from Abby shapiro and old ben clips in pretty that's his normal talking speed
"I'd make sure my son hated my guts"
Great stuff here...totally normal and sane way to think, Ben.
He's going about it in the way. If I was a parent I wouldn't impose it upon them after they reach adulthood. I'd disagree with it due to my religion. I'd try to be there for them but I wouldn't get involved in the gay marriage stuff
@@kareemdurrant139 you wouldn't attend your son's wedding if he was gay? Wow, you're a great dad.
@@Big_Dip1 we are working from two different starting points. From my point of view I have to ask myself "would I rather please the creation of God at His displeasure or displease the creation and please God. The answer is evident to me immediately
@@kareemdurrant139 Dude we understand your position just fine.
But since we don't believe the invisible entity you're harkening to exists we just heard "I'd hurt my son's feelings and drive him away from me emotionally on the command of my imaginary friend."
We understand your logic, we just think it's fundamentally broken and based on your own inherent prejudice being supplanted onto God.
@@kareemdurrant139 "A magic man in the sky tells me to be an asshole to my own child."
got it.
So in Ben's mind, two straight people who hate each other have more of right to marriage than two gay people who love each other?
And why exactly, two straight people who hate each other would like to get married? Two straight people don't never get married even only one of the hates the other...
That's exactly what ben is saying. He wants to tell people who they can love and marry
These people say a lot of words without getting to what they really mean: they’re homophobes, but are too cowardly to admit it.
Yes
@@juniorgod321 My godfather's ex-wife saw him primarily as a meal ticket - while he was madly in love with her. Over the years she grew to hate his guts and mangled him during the divorce. During that time I overheard her having a conversation which my mom said something along the lines of "getting divorced is like killing the goose that lays golden eggs".
Having seen this, I don't advise anyone - gay, straight or little furry beings from alpha centauri to get married at all.
That argument that gay marriage is a slippery slope to people marrying toasters or some shit is so stupid that I can't believe people still say it in 2023.
They were wrong all those years ago and they’re wrong now.
@@nas84payne Ik. Im not like a cancel everybody who ever disagreed with me type of person. I would respect them if they just admitted that they were wrong and that they have changed their minds on the issue.
Half the country wants to end the American experiment because SCOTUS legalized same-sex marriage in all 50 states. They will never let it go and this will continue until they no longer hold political power.
Do you believe that marriage should be allowed to any number of people who want to call it. 3, 4, or more?
@@mikejohnson9606 That's none of you or your pastor's business whether I do or not.
Conservatives: We love family values!!!
Also Conservatives:
“Not THOSE “family values!”
😁
The heteronormative ones!
To be fair this kinda goes with their family value bs. I think the argument should be these ppl are hypocrites that touting individual rights but wants to take away those rights for gays, trans or black people.
@@Peramiiy marriage is a religious institution, not a state institution. Respect it
Leftists clearly have mommy and daddy issues.
As a religious person people like him drive me insane…they are using their religion to justify being a horrible person to others. 🤦🏽♀️
People using religion as an excuse to be a dick to others? As has been the case for millennia.
I hate to be captious here but what is he supposed to do? Not take his religion seriously and ignore all the bad parts? I mean, the holy books are quite unambiguously homophobic.
@@cameronf.4119 He necessarily already adopts the parts of his religion that he likes, and abandons the parts that he doesn't. That's what all religious people do.
@@cameronf.4119 Yes exactly most people know in their hearts the bible was written by men who put their beliefs in there.
@@ericdugdale8585 exactly like the rich man can't get into heaven, I'm told by the religious " no that just means you should not be obsessed with riches and materialistic ". Wow , god is supposedly allll powerful but can't get the words right in the bible,🤪why didn't he just say that!?
Imagine thinking in this day in age that marriage is something you "let" your children do
@Room237Groyper funny thing is i'm pretty sure one of the countries you're referring to regarding "having morals" is running out of soldiers to the point where it is resorting to using prisoners. Talk about a dying civilization
He's not going to get his kids to not marry who they want, all he'll do is make them hate him for trying.
He said he wouldn't support. Not prohibit or not let.
@Room237Groyper 1st world countries are moving away from religion because their populace is better educated.
Man yet another with a comprehension quirk. Must be Kyle's audience. He never said let, he said his religion doesn't support it.
As a lesbian who has parents that say the same thing, there will be no "let" me marry who I want. You're a parent, not a slave master like the Bible would make you think. It's my life and it'll be Ben's kid life. Ben is going to run into the same wall as my parents will when reality smacks them with the reminder that they don't control us. We don't need your "blessing".
Luckily you’re in western society. Id love to see you try this in Asia.
@@Bonanzaking Well we don;t live in Asia so what does that have to do with anything? Because Asians want to be backwards the rest of the world has to be
@@harryballsak1123 well western society is more the outlier in the grand scheme of things statistically. And the whole backwards aspect is a matter of perspective and upbringing. In countries still based around the clan structure which is most of them, they see western society as far more isolating with it’s nuclear family.
Ultimately like I said in my original comment, luckily she’s in western society. It’d be naive to think one could take that position elsewhere where the society is a bit different.
@@Bonanzaking Luck has nothing to do with why western society is like this. We valve freedom. Asia valves conformity. You like conformity. Go move to nation that valves that, like Russia. Heck, bet Russia would even take you in right now if you volunteered to join up in the military.
@@Bonanzaking by the way there's also a reason why Western societies dominate the world.
So you can talk about how Western societies are the outliers, because the outliers rule the world.
He's scared he might be attracted to his son's boyfriend
100%
Studies have shown that the more homophobic you are the more likely you are to have those attractions yourself. I think Ben really is in the closet or has some level of same sex attraction.
@King Charles ✔ homophobe spotted🤡
That's the kinda of joke that only a homophobe could make:)
Or that his wife might be...
I dont think the concept of marriage ever officially included the caviat of Procreation, i think that is a modern conservative rule they made up. Otherwise like you said, people who are willingly childless but married would be nullified. Literally marriage IS the government recognizing two people committing to be with each other and share finances, residence, etc. children are and have always been optional.
From a conservative perspective the nuclear family, is part of marriage and family.
@@uncomfortabletruth5915 right but I’m not entirely sure nuclear family is something entirely exclusive to straight married couples, given they are allowed to adopt or conceive via sperm donation
@@gkezele
I don’t disagree with you there.
Traditional norms only have the weight that society applies to them.
Which is why bigotry can have detrimental consequences to all involved.
Harm done always falls back to harm caused by bigots.
I think people should really start talking about how marriage was an ownership and business deal. Women were owned by their husband. That's what it was. If they want to say "it was better when" take it all the way back to push how ridiculous it is.
@@phatninja6702
Because it was better for them, as misogynists.
Woman who have no choice, sold to men by their daddies, to be exploited for gain by both.
Gendered servitude, it’s why the GOP is the handmaids party.
These people are TERRIBLE parents.
Right wingers are usually terrible parents.
You have no idea what kind of parent he is. Yes, in this hypothetical, he may not support gay marriage even if it were his own children, doesn't mean he would stop loving his children. Just means that he wouldn't support that decision. Two things can be true at once.
@@JackM63538 No, it pretty much is a certainty that ben will screw up his kids royally with the hate and lies and propaganda he spews and his rigid 2000 year old expired and past it's sell by date thinking.
@@JackM63538 As an Iranian, Shapiro's stance on this is how the majority of Iranian parents think, even young ones. I don't agree with him but this thinking is only so strange to western people.
For his “sudden rise in people identifying as gay” argument, I saw someone point out the history of left handedness. At one point it was illegal to be left handed. When they made it legal to be left handed, the number of people “identifying” as left handed shot up. Surprise surprise 🙄
It's trendy to self ID as non-binary. Young people are very impressionable and experimental. I did it myself when I was in hi-school. It was total bs. Just a fantasy fueled by music videos, movies and forums, that would shatter when confronted with reality.
As a gay guy who forced himself to watch lesbian porn in my teens for 2 month straight and hated myself for it, I can confidently say that gay people are born this way. It’s absurd for people to argue otherwise.
Lesbian porn is boring as hell. I dont count bringing in toys because phallic objects are antithetical to the concept of lesbianism.
That’s…kinda hot
Could you imagine how Ben would react if the government tried to ban heterosexual marriages? He would be saying the same thing gay people are saying now. That guy has absolutely no self awareness or empathy of any kind.
you couldn’t stop your dog from shjitting on your laptop, Benny
Well Benny boy, when your kids estrange themselves from you and do whatever they want, don’t expect anybody to care.
I remember Ben being on Rogan like 3 years ago and saying something like "I'm personally against gay marriage, but that shouldn't have any bearing on federal law". In a few more years he'll probably be openly advocating for making homosexuality illegal.
Cracks me up that parents think they 'own' their children. Even more ludicrious that they think they can stop them from living their own lives.
Yes, patents own their kid. They literally made their children. Until 18, parents literally own their children.
@@PhreakPhantom My foster parent owned me until I was 21. I had to call Adult Protective Services just to make her let me go to college.
@@PhreakPhantom hahahaha 🤣, owning ain't controling. And if they truly owned them, they would be allowed to kill them if they wanted.
They even write books about controlling them remember?
Peterson's rules for life:
"Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them"
Marriage vows don't say "we shall (have to) breed", do they?
They just talk about being together faithfully and all that stuff.
How about someone who is not straight but already has a child they're taking care of. Can those people get married with someone of their own sex?
His argument still doesnt make sense because he said he does believe that a gay couple raising a kid is better than the kid being in an orphanage....So by that logic he DOES believe that gay marriage can be used to propagate and raise the future generation. He thinks its less preferable to straight couples, but I bet he also thinks its preferable for rich couples to raise kids than poor couples, yet he is not against poor people having the right to get married. So Shabibo refuses to make sense once again
Also could Ben just shave?
He looks like he’s after eating chocolate cake
I never thought I could hate his face more
Kyle please do not speed up Ben Shapiro speaking. Nothing has ever made me want to exit a video more than that noise.
He talks fast enough on his own anyways. Lol
Wait a minute when did Kyle speed up his voice? That is how he always talks?😆
@@dustinsindledecker154 I realized that halfway through the video when piers was speaking normally! Unreal 😂😭
Ben does know that once someone is old enough to get married, their father doesn't have a say, right?
Ben with a beard looks like a child wearing a fake beard
Someone should ask him if a marriage certificate should expire after 10 years if they have not had kids.
Sunset them every 5 years and put them up for a revote.
I bet he doesn't mind underage girls marrying adult men.
Wow. He really needs to slow down when talking. He sorta just rambles.
A demographic that never raises a kid they don’t want or by accident - sounds like the best kind of parents a child could ask for.
What?
@@jimbob9407 gay couples don't make mistakes - they can't. if they have a child it's because they want one. over half of all hetero pregnancies are unplanned, many kids are not wanted by there hetero parents.
@@jimbob9407 gay people can't accidentally make a baby.
The sad truth of this is it will only end in two ways. One: the child will distance themself from their parent or parents in order to be who they really are. Two: the child will try to make their parents happy at their own expense. As a parent I find his attitude horrendous, especially today
I find it funny how Ben thinks he would have the final say in whether his son can get married or not 😂😂 seems like a great way to habit hate within his son. They are just getting more and more evil every single year man. If these are the type of people that are running for power positions in this country than I’m terrified what would happen if they actually win. 🤦🏽♂️
I genuinely hope that the hatred and bigotry Ben espouses and advocates for against others comes for him one day…
It already did. Look no further than Kanye 😁
How clueless are you
I want to see Benny boy's reaction if a fundamentalist Christian went on air saying they "wouldn't let their son get married to a Jew"
He would likely agree
He wouldn’t let his child marry a Christian
I appreciate Piers for doing this. He calmly lets Ben reveal how trash his views are.
What “trash” views?
Marriage is a religious institution. Why do you have to disrespect it for some tax benefits from the state
@Russell Do what you want in your faith, but when it comes to government benefits they should be applied to gay and straight couples married under the law. There is no reason not to.
@@russell-gt1dy Religion is fake
Move with the times and stop being homophobic accept what god gives you. There are things in life beyond your reach you are not god. He who suffers through life should make his own decisions. It is not for you to judge.
What Bennie Shabeeboo so elegantly ignores is that if his team could do what they wanted then he would have other serious problems of his own on his hands. And that would be neither a grift nor a culture war but dead serious.
Very true, he just doesn't seem to fully grasp that he's slightly further down the list.
Yes but they need their token minorities so they'd get put in the gas chamber last.
What?
@@adamljini4347 The same people hes cultivating eventually get so far down the pipeline that they hate him for being a Jew
I helped start a fundraiser to help my friends who are married lesbians get custody of one of their nieces and nephew from her meth head sister and their biological dad is in prison. They needed some help paying for a lawyer for the custody case and we raised the money pretty quick. The kids are now happily living with my friends away from their meth head mom. The kids are on wrestling teams, basketball, and are functioning in their community more than they had the opportunity to with their biological mother.
I won’t say there are no issues in mixed marriages but those are tied to social biases and not to the couples.
@@uncomfortabletruth5915 I'm glad their community embraces them. They live in a small country town only has a few hundred people. One of the moms who is my friend does crosswalk service for the school and my other friend coaches wrestling and other sports. They are both very active in PTA and participate in town meetings.
"Then the entire bus stood up and cheered. They called me the greatest civil rights hero since MLK. And all the POC call me MLKjr now"
@King Charles ✔ the kids seem happier and have more opportunities now. Their biological mom didn't even have running water or power in her house because she spent any cash she got on dope. The kids were in pretty bad shape before.
@@MuhammadSharii the fundraiser was done mostly anonymously so no one clapped for me but the moms and kids. The kids are what was important.
Ben Shabibo won't let his gay son marry his lover because Ben Shabibo's father wouldn't let him marry his male lover. It's not hard to read these people like the open books they are
It’s crazy how fast Ben talks. I thought Kyle was watchin this one 1.25x speed but then I’d hear Piers talk. Dude can spit out logical fallacies faster than you can call them out.
As a person who finds marriage as a whole to be pointless, wow! What a freedom of speech loving father Ben is.
Aka: "Nobody wants to marry me"
What can I say? He loves freedom. As long as you live your life exactly how he thinks you should.
Marriage is a religious institution. Don't disrespect it for the sake of some tax benefits.
@@russell-gt1dy Nah you should 100% disrespect it for the sake of some tax benefits.
@@septima1789 why not just call it a legal union and you can still get the benefits
Dude, Kyle, you're really doing it to me man, you got Shapiro at one-and-a-half speed. Please don't do that 🤔
I had to lower the video to .75 speed just to make ben tolerable but now I'm dealing with a Kyle who sounds high as fuck struggling to get his words out which is a lot more fun 🤣
Do imagine being married to this guy and having an argument with him while shopping at target. Just bombarding you with words at a rate of 100 words per minute, saying that you are wrong.
To him, I raise you my jehovah's witnesses parents, who haven't said as much as "good morning" to their son in over 20 yeats because I'm gay.
What I find interesting about Shapiro is he touts his ideas being based in logic. YET, much of his social agenda is based on the ideals of his religion, which are not based in logic. If you want to bother, go back and find the Joe Rogan podcast from a few years ago Shapiro was on. He openly admits he doesn't approve of gay people getting married because of his religious beliefs. Later he realized that was not a defensible argument and invented the man+woman= child is ideal for society nonsense.
Both he and now Peterson have created an academic fantasy of idealism when judging society. This idea of " if only straight couples raised kids that would be best for society." is so detached from real issues that affect society it's astounding. How about dealing with hunger, alcohol and drug abuse, poverty and poor education, (in the US!) before any of their nonsense is even listened to?
I couldn't see myself talking to anybody that talks as fast as Ben I just can't see myself sitting there listening to a person that's talking over 200 miles an hour it is definitely not for me
I absolutely hate it when people use the Bible as a justification towards their homophobic attitude, especially considering the "anti-gay" passages are all based upon mistranslations or linguistical conveniences.
Pastors kid and my church growing up was gay. Him coming out changed the minds of the church! They realized that you love the people you love without question! I still remember their family on stage truly standing by one another. I'm from Missouri btw not far from STL
I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure I know what Christianity is supposed to believe. If your church is accepting homosexuality, then by the "straight and narrow" standards set by your Bible, it is an apostate church. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 states that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. Respectfully, do you all even read your own scriptures?
@@2jayz598 same for any church that opposes slavery
@@Gambit0590 I know that's what you've been told, but that's not true. Exodus 21:16 explicitly gives the death penalty to anyone trying to enslave/ sell someone into slavery. If you're referring specifically to Exodus 21:7, the daughter is not being sold as a slave, but as a wife. That's how it's written in the Septuagint. It's "domestic", not "maidservant", so not the best translation. Anyways, this was a rare occurence, but was sometimes done in the event of extreme poverty where the alternative is for the entire family to starve to death. So, no slavery. Exodus 21 allows indentured servitude, a way in which someone could repay their debt while the master (creditor) fully provided for the debtor AND his families' living necessities. The law also protected the servants' rights, like he would be instantly freed if the master injured him badly, for example. The master could give the debtor a wife and they could have children, but the woman given as a wife was originally the equivalent of a daughter to the master, so the wife and children where to remain with him when the servant finished paying off his debt/ the maximum allowed time of 7 years passed. In that case, the servant could choose to remain a servant forever in a mutually beneficial relationship with the master and receive a piercing as proof, but he didn't HAVE to take the wife the master offered him if he didn't want to. As for Leviticus 25:44-46, the word "slaves" is also referring to getting indentured servants, this time from foreign nations. Again, not the optimal translation with the context of Exodus 21:16 in mind. This is no different from hiring people in the modern day because they need a job and can't generate money themselves.They would then be protected having the same rights as fellow countrymen who were in servitude. And that's about it. I hope this helps!
@@2jayz598 no, the bible explicitly endorses slavery
@@2jayz598 the bible endorses indentured servitude for Hebrew men, sex slavery for women, and chattel slavery for non Hebrews
God forbid his child is born homosexual because he as a father would not understand until he gets older. Speak and protect he who’s different from you and god will love you.🎉
Glad I’m not Ben Shapiros kid then
Of course he has to say that he can't just go on national TV and undermine his entire brand
if its just a matter of grammar. get over it. who cares what they call equal rights
Thanks Ben for putting this out into the world. I really can't wait to see how it plays out.
He won't give his own child his blessing to love who they love, but we're the God-less demonic ones.... hahahahaha 🤦🏽♂️
I really wish he did more to make him explain what specific benefits he's trying to withhold from gay couples.
Sooooo... A child raised by a single man or single woman parent is ok. But two be raised by TWO men or TWO women is wrong.
Conservatives: YES!!!
Shapiro : i am for freedom
Also Shapiro : You can't get married because my imaginary sky daddy said so
Lefties: the government shouldn't bother me and my abortion.
Also lefties: The government MUST make and old couple make a gay wedding cake.
@@PhreakPhantomIt wasn't an old couple. Do you think that restaurants should be forced to serve black people, or does that go against the restaurant's freedom as well?
@@mobus1603 no black wedding cakes!!!
@@PhreakPhantom Reichwingers : the cakemaster had every right to refuse to bake a cake for gays
Newspapers drops Dilbert because of authors racism
Reichwingers : nah man that shouldnt happen...freedumb
Two things I’m thinking during this:
1. The conceit that anti-gay folks have to concede to the point of civil unions shows society will not allow the hardline “can’t exist” attitude that used to happen. It’s obviously not enough but they can’t even say maybe what they truly mean that gay people shouldn’t exist. Can’t say it anymore.
2. How pissed would you be if you were a genuine religious people like a liberal Christian ala Episcopalian or Universalist who hears someone using their beliefs as a weapon to oppress, to hardline that certain people shouldn’t exist. I’d be incensed somebody would use the guise of faith as obstructing true justice and equality for everyone. I expect many good faith individuals feel the same.
Good thing it’s not up to Ben. “Let” yea f you pops.
Ben just can't wrap his head around the idea that there can be a religious definition and a legal definition of "marriage"
No one in their right mind talks as fast as Shapiro does. The sentence stands on its own 🤨
Isn't he Jewish? My two Jewish moms are married...
Pierce Morgan: “You’re for fairness and equality”
Ben Shapiro: Nods head
What on earth is he talking about he is for the exact opposite of fairness and equality.
Why should I treat homosexuality the same as heterosexuality?
I'm pretty sure that he's for fairness and equality UNDER THE LAW, not the kinda of "equality" that liberals want, which is everybody having the same income...
@@bobbun4369 Nonsensical and vague question. I don’t treat conservatives the same as I do other people but I’m not inflicting on their right to marry or what church they go to.
@@juniorgod321 Do you honestly believe liberals or even socialists want everyone to have the same income? Or perhaps you just don’t know how a marginal income tax works.
@@paulspringwood7190 in other words, you can’t answer the question and just make excuses for yourself. Typical leftist
As much as I'm loathe to defend Benjamin, you're taking him out of context. His words were, "I'm not in favor of my religion [Judaism] sanctifying same-sex couples." Sanctifying and legitimizing are two different things. The law legitimizes same-sex marriage under the 14th amendment. A same-sex couple with a marriage license is legally married for all intents and purposes under the law such as tax filing, custody rights, etc. However, religions still have their say on sanctification of marriage based on their beliefs. Even a heterosexual couple married in city hall is considered unmarried from a religious perspective because it has not been sanctified.
I wish your arguments against religion were as well-informed and good faith as your arguments against neo-liberalism and late-stage capitalism.
💯 Really wish that both Kyle and Krystal would stick to economic stories. They're rubbish on cultural issues.
I wouldn't care if my son was gay, as long as he's not one of the weird ones
What about couples that don't want children or can't have children, they can't get married?
Ben is an absolutely sad and miserable man.
To think he is going to groom his kids in the same dogmatic manner his family groomed him is almost horrifying.
No I disagree with the comment - I would appreciate Ben being a hypocrite than to just be like ...no I do not accept your (his son) marriage. If he were to be this big of a jerkoff his whole life, then be like ...Son it's ok for you because your my son...but the hell with all the rest. C'mon that is a terrible take.
I totally see your point. This isn't just some random Joe-schmo down the street who owns a local coffee shop. This is Ben freakin' Shapiro we're talking about. Him suddenly coming to terms with his gay son wouldn't do jack shit to reverse the lifetime of terrible deeds he's done and has made the world worse off as a result. Good comment.
Marriage has always been a business contract.
Yeahhhh Ben the beard isn’t for you
There is no way his wife doesn't cheat on him....like--no way
It goes against his religion and thinks it is a sin which most religions believe. Why would he support it….
Exactly. Whether his opponents believe in his faith or think that it's based on nonsense is their perogative, but we shouldn't pretend that he lacks a rationale for why he holds this view.
Ben claims kids should be raised by the biological parents
And yet he's raising her kids instead of his wife's boyfriend
Curious
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Took me out 💀
Kyle, first of all:
1) Marriage is a Christian term so using it is religious appropriation with or without intent to have children. A heteronormative Buddhist couple shouldn't get married either the same way I shouldn't have a bad mitzvah for my 30th birthday as a Christian gay man.
2) The government should have never adopted the term marriage as it did in 1913 with the inception of The Federal Reserve building a church and state through line of encroachment for its now one world impulse.
3) marriage or civil union should not be a first or second class citizen and if it is it's only in you the liberals eyes not because anyone else said so. Why would someone who isn't Christian want to be married or adopt Christian ideology and rituals and then on top of that put it on a pedestal as to call it first class. This again starts and ends as a problem unilaterally with liberal ideology.
4) For all governmental and legal intents and purposes Ben Shapiro is for equality He's just not for religious appropriation which to me makes plenty of sense.
20 years time
Ben Shapiro: " My kids have cancelled me!!!"
Underrated comment 😂
He can't stop his wife from getting black bulled, he definitely can't stop any wedding
The leftist inter-race rape fantasy never fails to strike in the comment section when conservatives have an opinion. Weird, creepy and gross. This isn’t it bro
"Black bulled" wtf bro 😎
@@josephstalin839 White liberals insert bIack people into everything.
Lmao
Don't be mad because Bens shoes cost more than your trailer
The children of these conservative podcasters must be so miserable
I really think Kyle hit the nail on the head of the argument pretty early in the video, it's a religion thing and they're working backwards from that point. Perhaps Ben might make another argument that sticks at some point about gay marrige, but the core of why he's having the argument in the first place come from his religious beliefs. Its a pretty important point as to why you'll never get Ben or those like him to change views, because they at no point worked towards a rational conclusion on this issue, rather they have a cpnclusive opinion based upon whatever faith they believe in and they make other arguments about the issue targeted at those who don't automatically agree with them based on faith.
Don’t need to be religious to recognize the difference between heterosexuality and homosexuality
@@bobbun4369 Only because of religion is one considered good and the other bad or a sin. Without religion putting this moral judgement on different types of sex nobody would care.
@@jimbob3030 exactly. The original sin of pride was somehow mixed with nudity/sexuality as something sinful. All those awful things you can do with those nasty genitals. And it's PARTICULARLY nasty with someone of the SAME sex. So if you like sex don't forget you should be ashamed. And if you like sex with same sexed indivuals? Forget it. Might as well give lucifer himself a BJ.
Ben is going to get disowned so hard.
Ben Shapiro is closeted to me, he cares about this topic too much not to be gay himself.
When you see a clean-cut beta male like Ben who is obsessed with bashing gay people, that's one of the instances where you're usually dealing with a closet case.
Why am I barely noticing how fast Ben Shapiro talks?
It's ridiculous
No Piers. Ben ain’t about fairness and equality 😀 And gotta love Ben whining about masculinity. Chief masculine himself 😀
these people are grifters
Hoping one of Ben’s kiddos become part of the LGBTQ 🏳️🌈 community ✨ 😊
Benny Shapeeño, as he's sometimes known in certain circles, has a pathological inability to make sense in the majority of things he says. It's a gift, truly.
Certainly is a GRIFT 😁
The muscular class!
@@Pinkerbelll The best class, some would say!
Party!
@@musicman9023 generally speaking
It wouldn't surprise me if Ben Shapiro is asexual
It wouldn’t surprise me if he was on the DownLow
There was a girl in my high school who swore up and down she was gay, dated 3 different girls throughout the years. 2 years removed from high school and she’s fuckbuddies with one of my friends and says she cringes at how she used to be😂
Perhaps I’m just speaking out of my rear end here… but it seems women are more fluid in the realm of sex partners. In jail they have a term for females “gay for the stay.”
Bringing a life into this world and then denying basic human fulfillment is cruel and evil
okay, my parents are the “i won’t go to your gay wedding” type of fundamentalists, so maybe i can empathize a little bit with ben here. but it is shockingly common, at least in the circles i run in, to see gay and trans people abandoned by their families because “god needs to be our number one priority”. it’s sickening
Ben Shapiro is unique in that I never know whether the headache I get every single time I listen to him is from him talking ridiculously fast or from him talking complete nonsense.
Him saying that you can become gay is so strange. I’m very very pro gay. If I found out I was gay I wouldn’t be sad about it at all. And yet the idea of marrying a dude is just….. nah I couldn’t do it I literally just couldn’t. I feel nothing towards men even though I’m pro gay. I truly believe they were born that way.
Exactly! I've never even had the slightest urge of curiosity to be with another man. Why? Because I was born straight. So then logical thinking would be that those born gay or lesbian or bi are born that way too.
I do think there’s a point where you exhaust your female options and then resort to your last option; the other gender lol. Remember, if you’re halfway decent looking, you’re blessed
Peterson makes the point that the gay relationship is not ideal because they can't technically procreate, as if that matters to say in any aspect of the argument for same sex marriage and child adoption.
As if he could control an adult man
Listening to him on top speed is horrible.
Like nails down a chalkboard. 😬
Ben Shapiro sounds like an advertisement disclaimer
I can blow his argument up easier than he can explain it:
The government can not discriminate on benefits or rights granted to citizens or that citizens posses based on sex or gender. If marriage is a societal institution, gay people have the same rights and benefits as straight people or they aren't free.
It's literally that simple.
Does Ben speak so fast so it is harder for people to follow his “logic?”
If Shapiro's career as a wingnut right wing internet commentator doesn't work out I'm sure he would be a smashing success as an auctioneer.
Dang Kyle, you sound just like the religious people you criticize.