@@marcguerra1854 Na verdade é ao contrário, os jogos citado é que lembram Croc, pois este era uma demo de Yoshi 3D que a Nintendo cancelou pq a ideia era muito boa e deu norte para o desenvolvimento do Mario 64. A produtora então, apenas mudou o personagem para um jacaré.
As far as I know, this is the full list of Saturn 3D platformers: Croc, Ninpen Manmaru and Ninja JaJaMaru-kun. There are several 2.5D and isometric platformers, but that is all in terms of *true* 3D platformers. Tomb Raider has some platforming in it but is really an action/adventure game overall. Burning Rangers also could be considered to have some platforming but is overall action/ 3rd person shooter. Very heavily edited this post since my original was actually horribly inaccurate. Also added 2 Japanese exclusives I originally missed. So yeah, there are a whole lot less 3D platformers on Saturn then I thought!!!
Its it weird that I like that The Saturn's version is 20% zoomed in more than that of the PS1... make it makes you feel like you are really in the game
O Saturn tinha bem poucos jogos de plataformas 3D comparado com o PS1 ( e principalmente N64 ) é bom que um dos poucos é um jogo tão divertido como Croc.
Another comparison that is much closer than I would have expected. I would give the edge to Playstation, thanks to its more luminous colors and balanced lighting. Saturn version has the exact same geometry, but the color palette is slightly smoothed out in places, watered down in others. In addition, the contrast is much higher, resulting in darker visuals in the underground stages. I think this is really a matter of artistic choice. The game's camera appears to be "zoomed in" a bit on the Saturn version as well, which I would chock up to artistic license. Really, my only problem with Croc are the tank controls, which are inexcusable in a post-Mario 64 world. If I could just walk around like Mario, I'd be happy. Yes, you can move around as is, but it's slower and more labored and not as much fun. Such controls might work in a more cerebral game like Tomb Raider, but doesn't quite fit here. Overall, while PSX gets the better Croc, Saturn owners should be pretty happy at having a quality 3D platformer. The differences between these two are very slight, far less than most gamers in 1997 would admit. Nintendo 64 fans, of course, would just laugh and go back to playing Banjo Kazooie.
and ps1 has a tad bigger screen. While Saturn is smaller and it's zoomed in while ps1 can handle a bit more zoomed out so more on screen going on from the background. 2D saturn wins. 3d ps1 wins
@@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor Tank controls have the character turning his body to the left or right instead of running in that direction, then you press "up" to move forward. Pressing "down" makes you back up while still facing forward. While not the first game to use them by a long shot, Resident Evil made the control style famous. Before that, they were used mostly just for games where you controlled a tank (such as the Atari 2600 game Combat), thus why they're referred to as "tank controls" to begin with.
@@EvolutionArchive23 floppy DISK is not the same as a DISC drive or a compact DISC. I was trying to make a point that the terms are not interchangeable
PS1 may have the edge, but I like the artwork in the underground zones on saturn more. Also wish I had that PS1 camera when I played this on the saturn as a kid. At least I had the saturn d-pad! This is an excellent showing for saturn in my book.
I have both ports on their respective consoles. I prefer the PS1 version, mostly due to the fact that the saturn version is perpetually zoomed in about 20% compared to the PS1 version and it limits your field of vision. If it hadn't done that, even with the slowdown, the saturn version would be excellent.
The Saturn version has a much closer view which, though not completely, explains for some of the texture and lighting quality differences, except for cavern areas where it looks like the Saturn has some coloured lighting on the floors and walls.
I tried to play this recently on the Saturn. I could smash it with my eyes shut as a kid but my god the amount of deaths I suffered due to the camera, which was worse once I hit the desert levels 🙄 the PlayStation version is good, the Saturn version is good, but in terms of gameplay the Saturn version is darker for some reason
PS1 version takes this round with better lighting, color grading, and overall cleaner presentation. With that said it's not a bad port on the Saturn as some scenes look better than the PS1. I really don't think you could go wrong with either version to be honest.
Lord_Zedd Rik Probably not since the manual doesn’t have anything about the saturn 3D pad. D-pad might work but probably not the circle pad. Edit: Manual has info on the Analog stick in the “on-screen Page.” Not the “control” page where it shows the button functions.
@@ThoughtformsOfTheSubconsciousM I said “probably” because thats what I said at the time. That doesn’t mean definitively yes or no. either way the next guy afterward confirmed it.
Saturn has less polygon warping in gameplay. That alone makes it look better than the PS1 version for me, but I'm curious on how they play. The camera on the Saturn version seems troublesome, so PS1, I guess?
I'd thought that I'd never say this, but the ps1 looks better. I have both systems, I just prefer the Sega Saturn over in the PS1. I also see the Saturn version out in the wild more. But the next time I see this game, for what ever system I see it for, I have to get it.
PS version does win - looks more polished. But for a game that was developed for the PS the Saturn does well here. It's solid, and the colours are more vibrant (but that was always the case).
Curti as 2 versões e há pontos positivos nas 2 mas o vencedor sem dúvidas é o Playstation! Esse jogo fica top jogado em PS2 com cabo vídeo componente e suavização ligada! Em tv de tubo lógico
For me, *the Playstation Croc wins* The graphics look mostly on par between them, aside from some obvious differences here and there. But where the PS edition wins is with the camera discrepancy. The Saturn version is just zoomed in far too close, reducing the player's field of vision.
Hm, the Playstation looks cleaner, has much better, sharper textures and a wider field of view. The Saturn version looks rather pixelated. So at first glance the PS1 version looks superior in terms of graphics. On the other hand the shadow effects of the Saturn version do not only make it look darker, but also more athmospheric. While the PS1 version may look prettier, I can imagine that the Saturn version - with the shadow effects and the narrow viewing angle - gives a more immersive experience. Just look at 10:18 for example! I think that looks way more athmospheric on the Saturn.
That is just a different choice of camera angle. The resolution is the same on both versions. Edit: Well maybe, but the Saturn glitches the edges of the textures less.
PSX was the lead platform here, so the game was going to look better on that console again. The Saturn version its pretty decent for what it is, but it simply the PS1 takes the cake here with higher res and better transparencies, along side the more stable fps. And no, PSX was not more powerful at 3D, it handled better because it was easier to develop, not because it was powerful, in fact, it was underpowered back then, but Sony always give great dev tools for the companies, but anyway, its clear that PSX wins this comparison. I had this game on my PS One two years ago, and its pretty good, if you can adapt to the cluncky control scheme and weird analog movement. You can use both the d-pad and the dual-shock for playing this, and customize the audio with either you choose: Stereo, mono and even dolby surround. Its a fun, and very underrated 90's platformer, and that's sad because it has a great soundtrack, nice graphics, and decent gameplay. I suppose that the resolution on PS1 is 512x240p as many standard PSX 3D games, and Saturn due to the dropping resolution, it probably renders at something like 352x224p or 320x240p... I wonder how Sonic X-Treme, Sonic Saturn and Croc 2 would looked on Saturn with more time of development, if it weren't cancelled :(
The saturn could be more powerful to deal with 2D, for the 3D the psx is more powerful, it has neither arguing against it. The PSX has better gpu, conversion of dedicated geometry and decoding and transparency by hardware, in addition to that it can illuminate textured polygons and saturn suffers with it, as well as many other things. When people think that saturn's hardware is better, they are not analyzing the in-depth system specs. The limitations of the game croc in saturn are not because the game is a port, but because saturn can not handle all the requirements of the game and then many things need to be adapted, the same thing applies to pandemonium and so many others.
TheUltimateSEGAman hardware wise, its no doubt more powerful than PSX, but on this game, PSX wins with better textures, high resolution and more stable fps, not to mention the nicer transparencies. The Saturn port was a good effort, but we know that it could be much better.
Nelson Julio Meloni the Saturn' VDP1 and VDP2 used with both CPU's properly give superior results than any PS1 game, the PS1 GTE its better when devs only use 1 CPU and not optimize both properly, like a capable developer, for example: Treasure and Team Andromeda. Not to mention that Saturn can push higher resolutions, more pixels on screen, more sprites, effects mainly with the VDP2, better polygon calculations (to avoid most of the time the texture warping, which isn't that common in comparison to the awful affine texture warping on Playstation, due to the lack of perspective correct texturing and a Z-buffer render), and had higher fill-rates. Everything on PS1 is much worse. PSX only had good graphic because it was popular at the time, and was easier to develop, but Saturn and N64 were on a league ahead the PS1 capabilities technically speaking. Nothing on the PSX can touch Radiant Silvergun, Panzer Dragoon Zwei and Saga, those games used PROPERLY the Saturn's dual Hitachi SH-2 (combined in parallel, give faster 3d rendering than playstation. 2x 28.6 mhz CPU vs 1 33.8 mhz CPU, there's no deny that PSX was significantly slower). Not to forgot that PSX had more dev kits on its lifespan, and Saturn only had less.
@@Crystallums the 3D engines are comparable. They mussed up the artist decisions a bit on much of the SAT port though. Thank you for admitting the PSX has a lower resolution. I noticed that's in almost every game. It uses it's 32col mode the whole time. PS2 also uses a lower none square pixel res which nobody notices.
@@iwanttocomplain Both are very good, but there are many color or artistic differences, perhaps it is due to the capabilities of each hardware itself. Although I think that the PS1 version could be a little more balanced.
@@Crystallums I'm curious, what would you change to balance the PSX version? I'm not seeing any better frame rates in this game. Argonaut haven't used any features or the 2nd cpu but they run about the same. The changes are for reasons we may never know.
Ok so I wasn't going insane when I played the Saturn version and the PS1 version back to back. The Saturn version does indeed have a SIGNIFICANTLY more zoomed in camera creating a sort of screen crunch effect. Also the Saturn version felt harder to control but that may be an extension of the fact it has that zoomed in viewport?
I'm gonna say the PS1 has a slight advantage with the camera being further behind Croc, but I don't think that's down to a hardware limitation on the Saturn, I think it was just programmed that way, although it appears the Saturn version is running at a slightly lower resolution, it's hard to say for sure. Also, the vibrant colours of the PS1 port definitely fit the style of the game, that's not to say the Saturn's moody visuals are bad, I think it looks better during the underground scenes and maps containing lava. Performance wise, they seem to be running at the same frame-rate. I'd have go for a draw here, but I'd personally like to pick up a copy for the Saturn due to the complete lack of traditional 3D platformers (Tomb Raider being action oriented, and I'm not sure how to describe Burning Rangers).
Their pretty much the same but for some reason the contrast seems really off on the saturn. Far as I can see geometry is pretty much the same there is an odd texture every now and again though.
Esse prato de metal pra passar de fase não tem som no PS1? 🤔 Achei que a imagem do Saturno nesse vídeo está mais escuro que jogando na tv de tubo mesmo 🤔
The Saturn version's music is redbook audio. The PS1 port uses compressed music files. The tracks are longer on ps1, but I really do prefer the uncompressed audio of the Saturn version.
@@AfterBurnerTeirusu No idea why one would have it and one didn't given cd's all cost the same. The PSX sound chip is fine and can do 16bit sound or streaming redbook (full quality cd audio).
Olha ... tirando o contraste exagerado no saturn e a sombra usando dither , achei muito descente a versão dele , a do play eu ate achei legal mas a musica e bem sem graça .
The PS1 version is more polished looking. I owned it for Saturn years back and it was a bit dull, also some graphics were quite unstable and would freak out.
I dont agree the saturn version is better to me even the end level screens the text has wonderful effects colours which is missing in the psx version the saturn version colours have more depth and it's bigger main char. also the lighting is better and bright. Croc is allways bigger on the saturn making it more n64 like mario.
Saturn ver looks nice, but bigger character is also accompanied with less view range, field of view. PS1 displaying more picture. Its like Fv command in quake. More also requires a little faster hardware
The biggest difference I notice is that the sprites are a lot bigger in the sega Saturn version and that the camera is more zoomed in towards croc then the PSX version where the camera is lagging behind much more
@@zero-theaveragegamer1159 Saturn fan too. I never paid too much attention to the ps1 versions, now I see I don't really like them that much. I like close up polygons and dramatic colors rather than far away normal colors
2 awesome consoles. I didn't play this game... Just looking to it I see Saturn zoomed just this... Who has gaming experience with this I read they say PS version is better and more playable. So who am I to say more than them??
The saturn could be more powerful to deal with 2D, for the 3D the psx is more powerful. The PSX has better gpu, conversion of dedicated geometry, video decoding and transparency by hardware, in addition to that it can illuminate textured polygons and saturn suffers with it, as well as many other things. When people think that saturn's hardware is better, they are not analyzing the in-depth system specs. The limitations of the game croc in saturn are not because the game is a port, but because saturn can not handle all the requirements of the game and then many things need to be adapted, the same thing applies to pandemonium and so many others.
the Saturn could actually do things like croc better, the hardware could do more than the ps1, but because the Saturn was incredibly hard to program 3d games for, most dev's didn't have the skill to get the job done. Getting the VDP1 and VDP2 to work together in such a way as to pull off something good was like trying to force the horse to drink from the water. Do-able, but hell on earth.
I meant is not representative of the true specifications of the system. The Saturn is more powerful hands down. Bernie rangers put any through the platform or on PlayStation to Chef
@@raiverns9620 VDP1 will never match the Playstation GPU for polygons... VDP2 helps a lot in some cases, but can limit the type of 3D engine in many ways. When it comes to 3D, PlayStation is just superior. But Saturn is more interesting...
saturndual32 for polycount? Yeah, it could. But because of how the vdp1 drew polygons, it inherently couldn't could not do certain things in hardware the playstation could do without help from the vdp2, so i'll give you that.
As texturas dos inimigos são melhores no Saturn, mas este tem um slowdown terrível. Na minha opinião Playstation vence, mas o jogo não fez feio no Saturn, por ser totalmente em 3D.
PSX wins this round rather easily. Although I was a huge PS guy back in these days Saturn IMO is more enjoyable today. That said if they were the 2 main consoles on the market again I would still take PSX.
Sim, fizeram isso para mascarar a limitação do draw distance, pois a capacidade do Saturn em processar polígonos 3D era inferior a do PlayStation. Outro detalhe é q algumas texturas foram reduzidas e os efeitos de transparência completamente removidos.
Gustavo Camps O Saturno não processa polígonos, mas sim quadrilateros. Não deram zoom devido ao draw distance, na verdade o jogo está rodando a uma resolução abaixo. Esse jogo tecnicamente é superior a versão do Ps1.
Joguinho bonitinho, mas ordinário... não joguei a versão do PSX, mas há alguns anos comecei a do Saturn e os controles são péssimos....sofrem com delay e imprecisão nos pulos. Não deu pra continuar. Não sei dizer se a versão do PSX tb é assim, mas graficamente falando, um game que prova que o Saturn faz gráficos 3D de forma competente. Achei a versão do PSx visualmente melhor, não sei dizer tecnicamente, porém me pareceu mais polida.
Pasha xyz A do psx joguei na época. O controle é ruim mesmo... tem que ser ninja pra acertar alguns pulos kkk. Não terminei na época do psx pois achei o game meio desanimador e desisti.
Era raro um jogo neste estilo ter uma jogabilidade boa,tinha curiosidade de jogar esse Croc mas fiquei com os Gex mesmo;a versão do PS1 tá melhor,só vi melhor no Saturn quando mostra "level complete ",um efeito de distorção q não existe no PS1 (tema já discutido em vídeos passados)
Kowaijiwaru perto de Mário 64, Croc é bem fraco mesmo. A jogabilidade deixa a desejar. Gex eu já tentei, sei que nasceu no 3DO, mas tb não dei continuidade. A versão do psx e 3DO eu não conheço, só a do Saturn. Mas pra jogos em 2 D, não consigo jogar pelo digital dos psx. Acho muito duro, e o direcional do Saturn é perfeito!
Croc foi um primeiro jogo de animal fofinho em 3D para os 32 bits. Inclusive tem ambientes bem pequenos se comparados a Mario 64 e se achava que era uma limitação deles, depois vieram jogos com ambientes bem maiores. o Sonic World do Saturn é muito maior do que isso aí e sem clipping. e o PS1 teve os jogos do Spyro the dragon.
El gran error de saturn fue no sacar mas juegos de plataformas, empezando por un sonoc, con rl sonic r queda de manifiesto que si se podía haber sacado un buen sonic de plataformas, porque los cescrnarios eran"abiertos" y se veia bien .
Veteran Child None of those old polygons aged well. Back in the day PlayStation was better because with dual anolog sticks allowed the player to look up and down and all around.
@@steve5123456789 I have The Saturn controller . It had one analog stick for movement. The Dual analog sticks one for moving and the other for viewing.
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It's so cool that this game is on Saturn!
I bought it at Toys'r'us for $10 plus tax back in the day.
That's the original version btw. They even thought of doing an exclusivity deal with Sega! The PS1 version was just a bonus.
@@WALDENSOFTWARE No wonder why it shut down
Yuch. It's a pity it's on the Saturn.
Croc was a very underrated game. It was very reminiscent of Crash Bandicoot with the mechanics of Mario 64
@@marcguerra1854 Na verdade é ao contrário, os jogos citado é que lembram Croc, pois este era uma demo de Yoshi 3D que a Nintendo cancelou pq a ideia era muito boa e deu norte para o desenvolvimento do Mario 64. A produtora então, apenas mudou o personagem para um jacaré.
I wish Saturn had more 3D platformers!!
So do I bro.
So do I.
At least this one had the OG star fox team on it. I wish it would have came out on 3do too
The Saturn had very few 3D platform games compared to the PS1 (and especially N64) it's good that one of the few is a game as fun as Croc.
As far as I know, this is the full list of Saturn 3D platformers: Croc, Ninpen Manmaru and Ninja JaJaMaru-kun. There are several 2.5D and isometric platformers, but that is all in terms of *true* 3D platformers. Tomb Raider has some platforming in it but is really an action/adventure game overall. Burning Rangers also could be considered to have some platforming but is overall action/ 3rd person shooter.
Very heavily edited this post since my original was actually horribly inaccurate. Also added 2 Japanese exclusives I originally missed. So yeah, there are a whole lot less 3D platformers on Saturn then I thought!!!
@@JMFSpike There is also the a couple of Japanese ones. I forget the names off the top of my head!
1:25 I like how the skybox doesn't change from the happy little rainbow in the saturn port
Its it weird that I like that The Saturn's version is 20% zoomed in more than that of the PS1... make it makes you feel like you are really in the game
Might be easier to judge depth too. I had a hard time judging depth on the ps1 version. Id like to give it a try
You can change the camera angle during gameplay.
O Saturn tinha bem poucos jogos de plataformas 3D comparado com o PS1 ( e principalmente N64 ) é bom que um dos poucos é um jogo tão divertido como Croc.
If you want a 3D platform game the N64 has you covered.
Another comparison that is much closer than I would have expected. I would give the edge to Playstation, thanks to its more luminous colors and balanced lighting. Saturn version has the exact same geometry, but the color palette is slightly smoothed out in places, watered down in others. In addition, the contrast is much higher, resulting in darker visuals in the underground stages. I think this is really a matter of artistic choice. The game's camera appears to be "zoomed in" a bit on the Saturn version as well, which I would chock up to artistic license.
Really, my only problem with Croc are the tank controls, which are inexcusable in a post-Mario 64 world. If I could just walk around like Mario, I'd be happy. Yes, you can move around as is, but it's slower and more labored and not as much fun. Such controls might work in a more cerebral game like Tomb Raider, but doesn't quite fit here.
Overall, while PSX gets the better Croc, Saturn owners should be pretty happy at having a quality 3D platformer. The differences between these two are very slight, far less than most gamers in 1997 would admit. Nintendo 64 fans, of course, would just laugh and go back to playing Banjo Kazooie.
and ps1 has a tad bigger screen. While Saturn is smaller and it's zoomed in while ps1 can handle a bit more zoomed out so more on screen going on from the background. 2D saturn wins. 3d ps1 wins
You need the dual analogue controller if you don't want tank controls.
the saturn camera was zoomed because optimization: "less polygons to count"
What are "tank controls"? 😳
@@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor Tank controls have the character turning his body to the left or right instead of running in that direction, then you press "up" to move forward. Pressing "down" makes you back up while still facing forward.
While not the first game to use them by a long shot, Resident Evil made the control style famous. Before that, they were used mostly just for games where you controlled a tank (such as the Atari 2600 game Combat), thus why they're referred to as "tank controls" to begin with.
This game.... I HAD IT YEARS AGO BUT LOST THE DISK AND NEVER FOUND THE GAME'S NAME AGAIN THANK YOU
What DISK did the game release on?
@@EvolutionArchive23 floppy DISK is not the same as a DISC drive or a compact DISC. I was trying to make a point that the terms are not interchangeable
I like the deep colors better on Saturn, but the camera angle is better on PS1
PS1 may have the edge, but I like the artwork in the underground zones on saturn more. Also wish I had that PS1 camera when I played this on the saturn as a kid. At least I had the saturn d-pad! This is an excellent showing for saturn in my book.
I have both ports on their respective consoles. I prefer the PS1 version, mostly due to the fact that the saturn version is perpetually zoomed in about 20% compared to the PS1 version and it limits your field of vision. If it hadn't done that, even with the slowdown, the saturn version would be excellent.
Yeah it's quite noticeable if you stop it at 11:10
@@Alianger that is a a perfectly straight narrow corridor and I'm calling shennanigans on that wall texture. It's got to be meddling.
Ouvi dizer que Croc foi pensado primeiramente para o Saturno, pena que o Croc 2 não saiu pra ele.
No it was supposed to be an N64 game starring Yoshi but N didn't like the pitch and instead used the ideas to quickly hash out a Mario game.
The Saturn version has a much closer view which, though not completely, explains for some of the texture and lighting quality differences, except for cavern areas where it looks like the Saturn has some coloured lighting on the floors and walls.
It probably renders everything in a lower resolution than the ps1. Saturn wasnt good with 3d. Not that ps1 was, but Saturn was way worse.
@@vinnievincent85 Nah. Just relatively worse.
@@vinnievincent85 PS1 was much better with 3d games! Do you remember Nightmare Creatures 2?
@@overlord1990 thats what i said. Yeah never played it though
@@vinnievincent85 The Saturn is a higher resolution.
Agora mesmo terminei a versão de Saturno, e tive bastante dificuldade com a câmera dele. No PS1 parece melhor, mais afastada.
Não diga besteira. Gay também é gente. Gaúcho também pode, não tente disfarçar...
Sound made up.
I tried to play this recently on the Saturn. I could smash it with my eyes shut as a kid but my god the amount of deaths I suffered due to the camera, which was worse once I hit the desert levels 🙄 the PlayStation version is good, the Saturn version is good, but in terms of gameplay the Saturn version is darker for some reason
Sound so legit.
Cros supposed to be a Yoshi Game by the Creators of Star Fox.
cros
the devs at argonaut got so mad that nintendo took this game concept and some of their best devs that they made crock for the ps1 and saturn.
@@wertyxq3468 yo-shiet.
Which is pretty much the only reason that anyone has ever heard of this game.
@@bangerbangerbro your statement makes zero sense. no one knew this back then and the game did pretty well
This game was awesome, coming from bug to this game was like going from a tricycle to a motorcycle
I actually prefer bug
One of those game is fun.
The Ps1 port's even better than Croc on PC. I'm always a little amazed by that.
The ps1 version was the base version of this game. The pc and saturn were the ports.
Erm. No.
PlayStation wins. Interestingly enough, this game started life as a Yoshi game for Nintendo, but things worked out differently than planned.
PS1 version takes this round with better lighting, color grading, and overall cleaner presentation. With that said it's not a bad port on the Saturn as some scenes look better than the PS1. I really don't think you could go wrong with either version to be honest.
The framerate?
Everything about the PS1 version is better. Even better than on PC
Muito mais diferença do que eu imaginava. Graficamente a versão PS é melhor no geral, no entanto no Saturn não tem treme-treme das texturas.
Tem um pouco mas é menos perceptível.
1:55 vc notou o fundo
Interesting that the Saturn version is massively cropped. You see a lot less on-screen at any given time compared to the PlayStation.
This looks good on both consoles! The differences are very subtle..
Was there a way to zoom in on Croc on the PS1 version that could give a similar camera view to Saturn' s version? I don't remember...
Could you do a comparison video on gex 1 please 😁
This needs to be tested with a Saturn nights 3d pad to see if have stick support, as I know on some editions on psx have anolgue support
Lord_Zedd Rik
Probably not since the manual doesn’t have anything about the saturn 3D pad. D-pad might work but probably not the circle pad.
Edit:
Manual has info on the Analog stick in the “on-screen Page.” Not the “control” page where it shows the button functions.
@@ThatOldSchoolMagic It most certainly does work, why say it probably doesn't if you don't know for sure? Just spreads misinformation is all
@@ThoughtformsOfTheSubconsciousM
I said “probably” because thats what I said at the time. That doesn’t mean definitively yes or no.
either way the next guy afterward confirmed it.
Saturn has less polygon warping in gameplay. That alone makes it look better than the PS1 version for me, but I'm curious on how they play. The camera on the Saturn version seems troublesome, so PS1, I guess?
The camera does seem at least relatively easier to get used to on the PS1. So yeah.
I'd thought that I'd never say this, but the ps1 looks better. I have both systems, I just prefer the Sega Saturn over in the PS1. I also see the Saturn version out in the wild more. But the next time I see this game, for what ever system I see it for, I have to get it.
PS version does win - looks more polished. But for a game that was developed for the PS the Saturn does well here. It's solid, and the colours are more vibrant (but that was always the case).
Curti as 2 versões e há pontos positivos nas 2 mas o vencedor sem dúvidas é o Playstation! Esse jogo fica top jogado em PS2 com cabo vídeo componente e suavização ligada! Em tv de tubo lógico
Cool. Nice suggestion
Very very tough.. hmm they both have their moments . Im going draw
PS1 wins this one.
But the Saturn version is a valiant effort and a much needed game.
For me, *the Playstation Croc wins*
The graphics look mostly on par between them, aside from some obvious differences here and there. But where the PS edition wins is with the camera discrepancy.
The Saturn version is just zoomed in far too close, reducing the player's field of vision.
It barely makes any difference at all.
Hm, the Playstation looks cleaner, has much better, sharper textures and a wider field of view. The Saturn version looks rather pixelated. So at first glance the PS1 version looks superior in terms of graphics. On the other hand the shadow effects of the Saturn version do not only make it look darker, but also more athmospheric. While the PS1 version may look prettier, I can imagine that the Saturn version - with the shadow effects and the narrow viewing angle - gives a more immersive experience. Just look at 10:18 for example! I think that looks way more athmospheric on the Saturn.
That is just a different choice of camera angle. The resolution is the same on both versions. Edit: Well maybe, but the Saturn glitches the edges of the textures less.
PSX was the lead platform here, so the game was going to look better on that console again. The Saturn version its pretty decent for what it is, but it simply the PS1 takes the cake here with higher res and better transparencies, along side the more stable fps. And no, PSX was not more powerful at 3D, it handled better because it was easier to develop, not because it was powerful, in fact, it was underpowered back then, but Sony always give great dev tools for the companies, but anyway, its clear that PSX wins this comparison. I had this game on my PS One two years ago, and its pretty good, if you can adapt to the cluncky control scheme and weird analog movement. You can use both the d-pad and the dual-shock for playing this, and customize the audio with either you choose: Stereo, mono and even dolby surround. Its a fun, and very underrated 90's platformer, and that's sad because it has a great soundtrack, nice graphics, and decent gameplay. I suppose that the resolution on PS1 is 512x240p as many standard PSX 3D games, and Saturn due to the dropping resolution, it probably renders at something like 352x224p or 320x240p...
I wonder how Sonic X-Treme, Sonic Saturn and Croc 2 would looked on Saturn with more time of development, if it weren't cancelled :(
The saturn could be more powerful to deal with 2D, for the 3D the psx is more powerful, it has neither arguing against it. The PSX has better gpu, conversion of dedicated geometry and decoding and transparency by hardware, in addition to that it can illuminate textured polygons and saturn suffers with it, as well as many other things. When people think that saturn's hardware is better, they are not analyzing the in-depth system specs. The limitations of the game croc in saturn are not because the game is a port, but because saturn can not handle all the requirements of the game and then many things need to be adapted, the same thing applies to pandemonium and so many others.
Clearly the Sega Saturn won.
TheUltimateSEGAman hardware wise, its no doubt more powerful than PSX, but on this game, PSX wins with better textures, high resolution and more stable fps, not to mention the nicer transparencies. The Saturn port was a good effort, but we know that it could be much better.
Nelson Julio Meloni the Saturn' VDP1 and VDP2 used with both CPU's properly give superior results than any PS1 game, the PS1 GTE its better when devs only use 1 CPU and not optimize both properly, like a capable developer, for example: Treasure and Team Andromeda. Not to mention that Saturn can push higher resolutions, more pixels on screen, more sprites, effects mainly with the VDP2, better polygon calculations (to avoid most of the time the texture warping, which isn't that common in comparison to the awful affine texture warping on Playstation, due to the lack of perspective correct texturing and a Z-buffer render), and had higher fill-rates. Everything on PS1 is much worse. PSX only had good graphic because it was popular at the time, and was easier to develop, but Saturn and N64 were on a league ahead the PS1 capabilities technically speaking. Nothing on the PSX can touch Radiant Silvergun, Panzer Dragoon Zwei and Saga, those games used PROPERLY the Saturn's dual Hitachi SH-2 (combined in parallel, give faster 3d rendering than playstation. 2x 28.6 mhz CPU vs 1 33.8 mhz CPU, there's no deny that PSX was significantly slower). Not to forgot that PSX had more dev kits on its lifespan, and Saturn only had less.
The most logical explanation ever!
PS1 definitely wins! textures, colors, presentation, resolution and field of view are wider. Saturn is not bad but this takes the gray console.
Saturn is higher resolution.
@@iwanttocomplain Yes, but with worse textures and almost no lighting effects on the polygons.
@@Crystallums the 3D engines are comparable. They mussed up the artist decisions a bit on much of the SAT port though.
Thank you for admitting the PSX has a lower resolution. I noticed that's in almost every game.
It uses it's 32col mode the whole time. PS2 also uses a lower none square pixel res which nobody notices.
@@iwanttocomplain Both are very good, but there are many color or artistic differences, perhaps it is due to the capabilities of each hardware itself. Although I think that the PS1 version could be a little more balanced.
@@Crystallums I'm curious, what would you change to balance the PSX version?
I'm not seeing any better frame rates in this game. Argonaut haven't used any features or the 2nd cpu but they run about the same.
The changes are for reasons we may never know.
Playstation wins in expected areas, but the Saturn game doesn't look like a bad version.
Ok so I wasn't going insane when I played the Saturn version and the PS1 version back to back. The Saturn version does indeed have a SIGNIFICANTLY more zoomed in camera creating a sort of screen crunch effect. Also the Saturn version felt harder to control but that may be an extension of the fact it has that zoomed in viewport?
PS1 has the edge in this one. Better camera and the 3D seems a little bit more stable.
I'm gonna say the PS1 has a slight advantage with the camera being further behind Croc, but I don't think that's down to a hardware limitation on the Saturn, I think it was just programmed that way, although it appears the Saturn version is running at a slightly lower resolution, it's hard to say for sure. Also, the vibrant colours of the PS1 port definitely fit the style of the game, that's not to say the Saturn's moody visuals are bad, I think it looks better during the underground scenes and maps containing lava. Performance wise, they seem to be running at the same frame-rate.
I'd have go for a draw here, but I'd personally like to pick up a copy for the Saturn due to the complete lack of traditional 3D platformers (Tomb Raider being action oriented, and I'm not sure how to describe Burning Rangers).
este era o projeto do Mario 64 ( que ainda só tinha o yoshi) rejeitado pela Nintendo
Their pretty much the same but for some reason the contrast seems really off on the saturn. Far as I can see geometry is pretty much the same there is an odd texture every now and again though.
I'll vote ps1. Thanks, as always for making a great comparison video
The jumps at 3:45 are much easier on the Saturn
Esse prato de metal pra passar de fase não tem som no PS1? 🤔 Achei que a imagem do Saturno nesse vídeo está mais escuro que jogando na tv de tubo mesmo 🤔
eu achava que o gongo era um rosto de alguém com barba quando ganhei esse jogo, mas agora notei que era um passarinho o.o
Just a regular game for the library of PSX, but for the Saturn Library it is one of the best platform games.
Ótimo game, ótima comparação
3:27 Why do saturn games often have contrast issues like this?
Besides some lighting in caves the 2 dont look that different.
The Saturn version's music is redbook audio. The PS1 port uses compressed music files. The tracks are longer on ps1, but I really do prefer the uncompressed audio of the Saturn version.
That is compressed cd-audio streaming. a hardware feature.
@@iwanttocomplain Isn't that what I just said? It probably uses .xa files. Haven't checked. Don't care enough to do so.
@@AfterBurnerTeirusu well it's like redbook audio. I think it's just streaming adpcm.
@@iwanttocomplain Too bad the ps1 sound chip is a bit... dull. Proper Redbook would have sounded better.
@@AfterBurnerTeirusu No idea why one would have it and one didn't given cd's all cost the same.
The PSX sound chip is fine and can do 16bit sound or streaming redbook (full quality cd audio).
Olha ... tirando o contraste exagerado no saturn e a sombra usando dither , achei muito descente a versão dele , a do play eu ate achei legal mas a musica e bem sem graça .
PSX seems a bit more polished, can't go wrong either way tbh
The PS1 version is more polished looking. I owned it for Saturn years back and it was a bit dull, also some graphics were quite unstable and would freak out.
Looks like the PS version has slightly better textures but overall pretty much the same.
Just bid on the Saturn version on ebay lol
es raro ver esos motores graficos 3d ser movidos por saturn,no pero quedo bastante bien frente a playstation
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I dont agree the saturn version is better to me even the end level screens the text has wonderful effects colours which is missing in the psx version the saturn version colours have more depth and it's bigger main char. also the lighting is better and bright. Croc is allways bigger on the saturn making it more n64 like mario.
Saturn ver looks nice, but bigger character is also accompanied with less view range, field of view. PS1 displaying more picture. Its like Fv command in quake. More also requires a little faster hardware
PS1 wins!
The biggest difference I notice is that the sprites are a lot bigger in the sega Saturn version and that the camera is more zoomed in towards croc then the PSX version where the camera is lagging behind much more
PS1 easy.
Uuuh, as a saturn fan.. I have to say, crap you're totally right.
@@zero-theaveragegamer1159 Saturn fan too. I never paid too much attention to the ps1 versions, now I see I don't really like them that much. I like close up polygons and dramatic colors rather than far away normal colors
2 awesome consoles. I didn't play this game... Just looking to it I see Saturn zoomed just this... Who has gaming experience with this I read they say PS version is better and more playable. So who am I to say more than them??
Saturn colors look more saturated. PS1 wins in my opinion. But that wouldn't stop me from buying the saturn version either
Developers didnt want to deal with the complex Sega saturn therefore CROC 2 was never released PS1 for the winn
The saturn could be more powerful to deal with 2D, for the 3D the psx is more powerful. The PSX has better gpu, conversion of dedicated geometry, video decoding and transparency by hardware, in addition to that it can illuminate textured polygons and saturn suffers with it, as well as many other things. When people think that saturn's hardware is better, they are not analyzing the in-depth system specs. The limitations of the game croc in saturn are not because the game is a port, but because saturn can not handle all the requirements of the game and then many things need to be adapted, the same thing applies to pandemonium and so many others.
the Saturn could actually do things like croc better, the hardware could do more than the ps1, but because the Saturn was incredibly hard to program 3d games for, most dev's didn't have the skill to get the job done. Getting the VDP1 and VDP2 to work together in such a way as to pull off something good was like trying to force the horse to drink from the water. Do-able, but hell on earth.
I meant is not representative of the true specifications of the system. The Saturn is more powerful hands down. Bernie rangers put any through the platform or on PlayStation to Chef
@@costumeninja1914 Nah, Burning Rangers does some interesting thing, but looks messy and unstable unfortunately...
@@raiverns9620 VDP1 will never match the Playstation GPU for polygons... VDP2 helps a lot in some cases, but can limit the type of 3D engine in many ways. When it comes to 3D, PlayStation is just superior. But Saturn is more interesting...
saturndual32 for polycount? Yeah, it could. But because of how the vdp1 drew polygons, it inherently couldn't could not do certain things in hardware the playstation could do without help from the vdp2, so i'll give you that.
They both look good. They both run good. What more can you say? Both consoles had their quirks. Two totally different architectures, amazing results.
The Saturn here defiantly looks better but on top of having a camera that's way to zoomed in, it also has a big more lag when jumping for some reason.
Long life to the Sega Saturn, the best.
I never had any console, I'm a PC dude. And I never played Croc even on PC. For me, the PS version looks much more better.
As texturas dos inimigos são melhores no Saturn, mas este tem um slowdown terrível. Na minha opinião Playstation vence, mas o jogo não fez feio no Saturn, por ser totalmente em 3D.
Saturn has WAY too much cropping.
PS1 has higher quality models and textures, and the sky changes, but it's sometimes slower than Saturn.
PS1 also has better lighting.
Yeah, why is the Saturn version cropped in like that? Perhaps so it doesn't have to render as many polygons?
It's simply a much lower FOV, so it has to render fewer polygons on screen. PSX could render more polygons.
Funny...I bet you were a snes fanboy who never noticed how all the games were cropped in comparison to the genesis versions.
Saturn has better zoom
@Joshua Paul that’s not true
Playstation Wins.
Both
I think the Saturn has better sound. But the PSX version is smoother.
Now I'm a leet difference spotter I can see the PSX is in 32col mode and the SAT is in 40col mode. The Saturn lacks a 32col mode.
the saturn version looks really unfinished compared to the ps1 version
Is just me or Saturn looks kinda better on gameplay???
How about including PC version to comparison?
PSX wins this round rather easily. Although I was a huge PS guy back in these days Saturn IMO is more enjoyable today. That said if they were the 2 main consoles on the market again I would still take PSX.
Very amazing Sturn port. Seems it dont lack anything
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Me lembro que não pegava na minha placa (pc), lembranças chatas...
Eu queria usar o driver, para o gráfico melhorar, não funcionava, e o jogo travava.
Looks better on ps one imo
I like how even though you kept purposely being late to do something on the Saturn side, it STILL had better load speed than PS1.
I’m so glad I grew up with the PlayStation version
Saturn ta em Zoom é isso mesmo produção
Sim, fizeram isso para mascarar a limitação do draw distance, pois a capacidade do Saturn em processar polígonos 3D era inferior a do PlayStation. Outro detalhe é q algumas texturas foram reduzidas e os efeitos de transparência completamente removidos.
Gustavo Camps O Saturno não processa polígonos, mas sim quadrilateros. Não deram zoom devido ao draw distance, na verdade o jogo está rodando a uma resolução abaixo. Esse jogo tecnicamente é superior a versão do Ps1.
ps1 takes longer to load
PS1
For this game, I prefer Saturn version.
Joguinho bonitinho, mas ordinário... não joguei a versão do PSX, mas há alguns anos comecei a do Saturn e os controles são péssimos....sofrem com delay e imprecisão nos pulos. Não deu pra continuar. Não sei dizer se a versão do PSX tb é assim, mas graficamente falando, um game que prova que o Saturn faz gráficos 3D de forma competente. Achei a versão do PSx visualmente melhor, não sei dizer tecnicamente, porém me pareceu mais polida.
Pasha xyz A do psx joguei na época. O controle é ruim mesmo... tem que ser ninja pra acertar alguns pulos kkk. Não terminei na época do psx pois achei o game meio desanimador e desisti.
Valeu!...me poupou de queimar um CD ..rs
Era raro um jogo neste estilo ter uma jogabilidade boa,tinha curiosidade de jogar esse Croc mas fiquei com os Gex mesmo;a versão do PS1 tá melhor,só vi melhor no Saturn quando mostra "level complete ",um efeito de distorção q não existe no PS1 (tema já discutido em vídeos passados)
Kowaijiwaru perto de Mário 64, Croc é bem fraco mesmo. A jogabilidade deixa a desejar. Gex eu já tentei, sei que nasceu no 3DO, mas tb não dei continuidade. A versão do psx e 3DO eu não conheço, só a do Saturn. Mas pra jogos em 2 D, não consigo jogar pelo digital dos psx. Acho muito duro, e o direcional do Saturn é perfeito!
Croc foi um primeiro jogo de animal fofinho em 3D para os 32 bits. Inclusive tem ambientes bem pequenos se comparados a Mario 64 e se achava que era uma limitação deles, depois vieram jogos com ambientes bem maiores.
o Sonic World do Saturn é muito maior do que isso aí e sem clipping. e o PS1 teve os jogos do Spyro the dragon.
Well this is easy, Genesis Wins!!
Ps1 for the win this time
El gran error de saturn fue no sacar mas juegos de plataformas, empezando por un sonoc, con rl sonic r queda de manifiesto que si se podía haber sacado un buen sonic de plataformas, porque los cescrnarios eran"abiertos" y se veia bien .
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The controls of the dual anolog stick is better, but the old polygons got to go.
As much as I like the Sega Saturn, boy is that version ugly.
didn't see much of a difference really. mostly colors.
Veteran Child None of those old polygons aged well. Back in the day PlayStation was better because with dual anolog sticks allowed the player to look up and down and all around.
@@attilathehun0 game did not support dualshock on a real psx
@@attilathehun0 It was late invention, and the saturn had the 3d controller.
@@steve5123456789 I have The Saturn controller . It had one analog stick for movement. The Dual analog sticks one for moving and the other for viewing.
Needed more games like THIS on Saturn instead of all the anime and fighting game backwash that US/PAL audiences couldn’t give a damn about.
Wasnt aware 3D multiplatform games were so mich better on PS
Better graphics, sound, game-play and presentation The winner is Sega Saturn.
Sega wins, the controls were smoother/easier, I own both copies.