Important to mention that wedge and diamond cavalry formations are incredible, and they alone can justify the upgrade from Militia to standard military units like lance cavalry. Charging in with a wedge formation is the most satisfying feeling in the whole game imo
Pleas explain the differences? As far as my calvary play goes, I only use lance calvary for hammer and anvils. I don't do much else than that. I know amber calvary and missile calvary are a thing, and maybe other but I havent really focused on it.
@@dam11232 wedge increases charge speed and mass (two major components of charge effectiveness) at the cost of normal run speed (to mitigate this, just switch to wedge about 10 seconds before a charge hits) Diamond I believe slightly increases mass but also increases melee stats, at a smaller cost of speed than wedge. If i have access to both formations, i typically just switch back and forth between those two. Wedge for full on rear charges, diamond for potentially sticky engagements.
Regarding missile cavalry: You should mention which units are capable of firing in all directions, because not all can. While it makes them more mobile in general, being able to fire backwards while moving also makes any horse archers capable of it a good counter to enemy shock cavalry.
I play Ma Teng in records mode, and holy shit their immune to fatigue is op. Because in records mode usually after 2 cycle charge all the cavalry gets really tired, but not Qiang Cavalry, especially Qiang Marauders, they win almost all cav vs cav in the early game and can still charge with 300 charge bonus, my usual kill count for qiang marauders every battle is around 200-300 kills. CA pls no nerf
@@dongf2618 It's pretty historically accurate TBH if you don't realize that during that time cav are pretty bad since there are no stirrup during that time, and these people grew up riding horses, making them totally OP
Useful roundup but I wish you would have focussed on the Speed stat more. Most heavier versions of cavalry lose about 10% in speed compared to the lighter versions, which makes them incredibly less useful in battles with lots of enemy cavalry (in my personal experience). Heavy shock cavalry in particular has a much harder time detaching from enemy cavalry, which makes cycle charging less effective (and sometimes even impossible). That is a reason why, even if I have the money, I tend to always bring along some light cav that can outrun/kite enemy cav. Would be interested in knowing whether you have made any similar observations.
the Han Chinese often ditched horse armors completely when fighting against nomadic cavalry, and reuse them when fighting against infantry units. This phenomenon had reoccurred several times in Chinese history, so I guess you are right for saying heavier versions of cavalry would be unfavorable when facing lighter versions of calvary.
For the Qiang Hunters, I saw the blade of the their halberds(?) sticking out and immediately thought it was a bug making their sheathed swords sticking way out.
I think one very important factor to cavalry that wasn't considered = speed. Some of these "upgraded versions" of heavy or shock cavalry have fairly abysmal speeds and imo are inferior to their basic versions in practice, given the flow of battles in TW3K
P.s. if you want to use Chinese, you can get the pronounciation off google translate. There's a button to play the sound. translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=%E5%A4%A7%E5%AE%B6%E5%A5%BD
Jade Dragon is the benchmark Cav, good all around. Qiang Raider is a hidden gem: best evasion, block change, good damage output (as expected of Melee Cav) and the key part is they have good charge bonus (which normal melee cavs dont have, and it is better than Jade D), plus no fatigue as icing on cake. Qiang hunters, on the other hand, is sorely disappointing, their charge bonus is simply bad (worse than low tier standard melee cav, even though they are equipped with Guandao). Honestly, equipping Guandao is really misleading, these guys should not charge, should not engage in prolong melee. They should only fire arrows. They are not skirmish cav/hybrid cav, they are pure archer cav. Speaking of skirmish cav, The White Horse Fellow is another hidden gem. Their charge, melee evasion and damage output is fantastic, comparable to both melee cav(evasion and dps) and shock cav(charge bonus). The only thing they lack is block chance, which is even out by their own arrow plus "firing on the move" trait.
spoke my mind D: .. the best cav in the game is qiang raiders they have it all .. also if ma teng had white horse fellows it would be op"they are the best horse archers in the game" .. even qiang hunters firing method is baaaad .. but they have very good melee nontheless .
I'm frustrated that the top tier heavy units have very little missile protection on the face, neck joints and horse. Even wrapping urself with multiple layers of heavy cloth is better than nothing. I think there's no reason why not to put face and neck armour on those heavy units
You must be a master horseman! If you wrap heavy cloth over the entire horse you increase weight as well as increase heating for the horse. After one charge with saddle, rider, and his equipment - the horse would be strained. After two charges - breathing hard and tired. Three charges - maybe white foam coming out. By the fourth charge between everything above as well as the wounds sustained from charging into enemies fighting back. Your horse is pretty much dead. I would rather have a horse with light armor, a body armor like lamellar or cuirass, spear/lance and pretty much it. Quick charge through and give no time for enemy to react and start hacking at your horse is the best choice. If you thought about it. Then you would notice Han cavalry all the way from Han Wudi to Three Kingdoms actually had the optimal build. It's not just cost considerations but optimal effectiveness considerations
Also, kinda sad that the only glaive infantry are Champion or Vanguards, Peasant raiders of all things, and the Qiang Hunters. I know it's tactically dubious but I just love the aesthetic.
I really do want to buy this game, I've only purchased Rome II, does the calvary mechanics work the same? My only issue with how calvary behaved is how you can only control them in straight lines, if you can give controls in a curved motion would be so beneficial and be less micro managing.
I thought you could give units paths. Not sure when they started it but I think it's in Rome 2. You hold down SHIFT and RIGHT CLiCK while dragging the path.
I love TW: Three Kingdoms, but I do think that after the Warhammer games this seems like a severely limited unit selection and faction variety. Idk how they'de counteract that, and not to blame them such great variety in past games. Just worth noting IMO.
@@txwiseguy6761 Because Im used to having tops 5 seconds of delay before getting to watch the video, so suddenly jumping to 40 every now and then Is a bit much. Also, if you didnt relize, it doubled as a pun
I use a double whammy of uBlock Origin and regular Adblock extension to kill off all the TH-cam video ads. If Google is serious about crippling adblocker extensions on Chrome, then I will picking up a Raspberry Pi and setting it up as a Pi-Hole in my home network.
@@Talon323 Refreshing the video either loads a different ad or reloads the same one, which is still a complete waste of time. Using adblock extensions kills those ads and I don't see them nor do I need to reload any page.
Very small unit diversity in this game, you could eliminate a third of them for just being the same unit with +armour.... Still, only really got this because of duels... I hope they transfer this over to warhammer 3.
These videos aren't as interesting as normal but it's not the fault of Zerkovich, its the fact that all the units within a certain category perform the EXACT same role in 3K. There's no depth or diversity to warrant guide videos. Once you've used one shock cav, you've used them all.
@@Zerkovich alright. I'm hoping for more synergistic and vanilla comparisons, and a small section on the usefulness of their horse archers over strategist horse archers
Mercenary Cavalry run away saying "You aren't paying me enough for this".
#realism
Important to mention that wedge and diamond cavalry formations are incredible, and they alone can justify the upgrade from Militia to standard military units like lance cavalry.
Charging in with a wedge formation is the most satisfying feeling in the whole game imo
Pleas explain the differences?
As far as my calvary play goes, I only use lance calvary for hammer and anvils.
I don't do much else than that.
I know amber calvary and missile calvary are a thing, and maybe other but I havent really focused on it.
@@dam11232 wedge formation increases unit mass by 100% so your charge will deal a lot more damage
@@dam11232 wedge increases charge speed and mass (two major components of charge effectiveness) at the cost of normal run speed (to mitigate this, just switch to wedge about 10 seconds before a charge hits)
Diamond I believe slightly increases mass but also increases melee stats, at a smaller cost of speed than wedge.
If i have access to both formations, i typically just switch back and forth between those two. Wedge for full on rear charges, diamond for potentially sticky engagements.
Not if you are playing Liu Bei tho lmao
@@benlex5672 Cav Militia don't get the discount actually! So it's especially important as Liu Bei, or at least equally important.
The fact that Ji have equal armour piercing and standard damage across all units that wield it is a nice touch, IMO.
Regarding missile cavalry: You should mention which units are capable of firing in all directions, because not all can. While it makes them more mobile in general, being able to fire backwards while moving also makes any horse archers capable of it a good counter to enemy shock cavalry.
Wait so what units can?
I play Ma Teng in records mode, and holy shit their immune to fatigue is op. Because in records mode usually after 2 cycle charge all the cavalry gets really tired, but not Qiang Cavalry, especially Qiang Marauders, they win almost all cav vs cav in the early game and can still charge with 300 charge bonus, my usual kill count for qiang marauders every battle is around 200-300 kills. CA pls no nerf
Although Qiang cavalry was incorporated into Chinese armies at that time, they shouldn't be that strong historically.
@@dongf2618 It's pretty historically accurate TBH if you don't realize that during that time cav are pretty bad since there are no stirrup during that time, and these people grew up riding horses, making them totally OP
Useful roundup but I wish you would have focussed on the Speed stat more. Most heavier versions of cavalry lose about 10% in speed compared to the lighter versions, which makes them incredibly less useful in battles with lots of enemy cavalry (in my personal experience). Heavy shock cavalry in particular has a much harder time detaching from enemy cavalry, which makes cycle charging less effective (and sometimes even impossible). That is a reason why, even if I have the money, I tend to always bring along some light cav that can outrun/kite enemy cav. Would be interested in knowing whether you have made any similar observations.
Also the "Mass" stat. There's more to cavalry than just their armour and attack.
the Han Chinese often ditched horse armors completely when fighting against nomadic cavalry, and reuse them when fighting against infantry units. This phenomenon had reoccurred several times in Chinese history, so I guess you are right for saying heavier versions of cavalry would be unfavorable when facing lighter versions of calvary.
Woot! Been waiting for this one, thanks for doing these guides.
For the Qiang Hunters, I saw the blade of the their halberds(?) sticking out and immediately thought it was a bug making their sheathed swords sticking way out.
Tiger and Leopold is unique to Cao cao
Leopold? Are they a German unit or what? ^^
^^ ^^ ^^
@@caringancoystopitum4224 Hahahahahahahahahaha
Watching my shock cav knocking groups of infantry into the sky like bowling ball is so satisfying!
I think one very important factor to cavalry that wasn't considered = speed. Some of these "upgraded versions" of heavy or shock cavalry have fairly abysmal speeds and imo are inferior to their basic versions in practice, given the flow of battles in TW3K
P.s. if you want to use Chinese, you can get the pronounciation off google translate. There's a button to play the sound. translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=%E5%A4%A7%E5%AE%B6%E5%A5%BD
Zerk you are the best . When are you going to continue the "how to shutdown " series of tw warhammer 2 ???
how yo shut down high elves
@@irugelgumiho5195 you don't, they are the best!
Jade Dragon is the benchmark Cav, good all around.
Qiang Raider is a hidden gem: best evasion, block change, good damage output (as expected of Melee Cav) and the key part is they have good charge bonus (which normal melee cavs dont have, and it is better than Jade D), plus no fatigue as icing on cake.
Qiang hunters, on the other hand, is sorely disappointing, their charge bonus is simply bad (worse than low tier standard melee cav, even though they are equipped with Guandao). Honestly, equipping Guandao is really misleading, these guys should not charge, should not engage in prolong melee. They should only fire arrows. They are not skirmish cav/hybrid cav, they are pure archer cav.
Speaking of skirmish cav, The White Horse Fellow is another hidden gem. Their charge, melee evasion and damage output is fantastic, comparable to both melee cav(evasion and dps) and shock cav(charge bonus). The only thing they lack is block chance, which is even out by their own arrow plus "firing on the move" trait.
spoke my mind D: .. the best cav in the game is qiang raiders they have it all .. also if ma teng had white horse fellows it would be op"they are the best horse archers in the game" .. even qiang hunters firing method is baaaad .. but they have very good melee nontheless .
some1 was about to lose his voice in this vid :P
Get u some rest zerky
I'm frustrated that the top tier heavy units have very little missile protection on the face, neck joints and horse. Even wrapping urself with multiple layers of heavy cloth is better than nothing. I think there's no reason why not to put face and neck armour on those heavy units
You must be a master horseman!
If you wrap heavy cloth over the entire horse you increase weight as well as increase heating for the horse. After one charge with saddle, rider, and his equipment - the horse would be strained. After two charges - breathing hard and tired. Three charges - maybe white foam coming out. By the fourth charge between everything above as well as the wounds sustained from charging into enemies fighting back. Your horse is pretty much dead.
I would rather have a horse with light armor, a body armor like lamellar or cuirass, spear/lance and pretty much it. Quick charge through and give no time for enemy to react and start hacking at your horse is the best choice.
If you thought about it. Then you would notice Han cavalry all the way from Han Wudi to Three Kingdoms actually had the optimal build. It's not just cost considerations but optimal effectiveness considerations
Lukcy Luke was right!
The cavalry always arrives in time!
Even if they take their time.
Also, kinda sad that the only glaive infantry are Champion or Vanguards, Peasant raiders of all things, and the Qiang Hunters. I know it's tactically dubious but I just love the aesthetic.
I really do want to buy this game, I've only purchased Rome II, does the calvary mechanics work the same? My only issue with how calvary behaved is how you can only control them in straight lines, if you can give controls in a curved motion would be so beneficial and be less micro managing.
I thought you could give units paths. Not sure when they started it but I think it's in Rome 2. You hold down SHIFT and RIGHT CLiCK while dragging the path.
I love TW: Three Kingdoms, but I do think that after the Warhammer games this seems like a severely limited unit selection and faction variety.
Idk how they'de counteract that, and not to blame them such great variety in past games. Just worth noting IMO.
OUR HORSES LOVE BLOOD!
Is 3 kingdoms worth buying for campaign play?
Tiger and Leopard have shield evasion too
My Qiang Cavalry only has a 30 troops count. Why does yours have 60 ?
What can you say about unit size of cavalry?
This is China, why Cavalry needs to decrease quantity size?
Balancing. Imagine having 10 units of 240 Heavy Tiger & Leopard running around
@@Bazerald777 who says 240 cav? 80 -100 is enough. Even Rome 1 has 108 per unit though
Well now that imerial spear calvary is a thing...
didn't see anything about cataphracts and heavy cataphracts?
My lvl 10 Tiger & Leopard lost in a melee vs the lance milita cav. They might be slightly shit for their price XD
Difficulty changes the balance. I play on VH and elite units sometimes lose to militia
@@Gongolongo I know, but I played coop on hard; so yeah dunno ^^
Where Is The Yellow Turban DLC Units?
Who needs cavalry when you can take three Xu Chu's in multi-player, PLEASE CA :p
No Khwarezmian cavalry?
btw you pronunciation on Xi Liang cavalry is like 99% accurate
I got 2 unskipable 20 second adds...
If they ADD any more Im done with youtube
sakmi kuhl zerk gets paid though, why are you mad at getting free content?
@@txwiseguy6761 Because Im used to having tops 5 seconds of delay before getting to watch the video, so suddenly jumping to 40 every now and then Is a bit much. Also, if you didnt relize, it doubled as a pun
I use a double whammy of uBlock Origin and regular Adblock extension to kill off all the TH-cam video ads. If Google is serious about crippling adblocker extensions on Chrome, then I will picking up a Raspberry Pi and setting it up as a Pi-Hole in my home network.
@@hentaioverwhelming Just refersh the page, more often than not you dont need to watch the adds.
@@Talon323 Refreshing the video either loads a different ad or reloads the same one, which is still a complete waste of time. Using adblock extensions kills those ads and I don't see them nor do I need to reload any page.
Is me or all the model have the same uniform per units ?
Very small unit diversity in this game, you could eliminate a third of them for just being the same unit with +armour....
Still, only really got this because of duels... I hope they transfer this over to warhammer 3.
A few Non-Chinese Units
Your voice sounds raspy, more than usual atleast. Are you good mate?
Great video by the way
I want to see this video.
These videos aren't as interesting as normal but it's not the fault of Zerkovich, its the fact that all the units within a certain category perform the EXACT same role in 3K. There's no depth or diversity to warrant guide videos. Once you've used one shock cav, you've used them all.
The faces mon, the fookin faces...
This game would be so nice but the Ui destroy it for me....
Why they dont used the warhammer ui it was nearly perfect...
FIRST, TSERKOVITZCH, FIRST!
Maybe showcase these units in action?
Cause just reading off the stats is something I could do on my own.
Welp I guess Warhammer spoiled me.
Did you miss yt units ????
Yellow Turbs will have their own vidya.
@@Zerkovich alright. I'm hoping for more synergistic and vanilla comparisons, and a small section on the usefulness of their horse archers over strategist horse archers
For some reason the eyes of those horses look a bit... demonic?
Seeing the contrast between 3K and WH2 is drastic. 3K is just so uninteresting compared to WH2. Can’t wait for WH3.
Little on details. Where are all the skills, where is speed comparison. Lazy
Dude your voice is suffering, hope you get better, any Radious units reviews coming?
Stop horseing around i want infantry
"pesant cavalry" .... WTF? Totalwar became total fantasy festival
Are you daft? There were a ton of peasants fighting during this era
It's actually authentic to this period.