Fastest Map Ever 2v2 on New Super - StarCraft - Brood War REMASTERED
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Stumbled upon this video by chance, I'm one of the players in this game (you can probably tell which one based off my username). To be honest, I don't know who these opponents were that Bam and I were playing and I have no recollection of this game, but everything in this replay makes sense and I can probably explain most of it.
First, there's A LOT of comments on here that make me chuckle. There's an entire meta and tons of hours of playing this map that people don't realize dictate the decision making. This match was what's called PRvPR in the fastest community (Protoss/Random vs Protoss/Random). If it was up to me, everyone would simply pick their own race. What happened on fastest is people realized that Protoss has an early game advantage; with how fast resources come in, a Zerg or Terran player is not going to be able to keep up with how strong Protoss zealots are early game. You can dictate a lot of how the game goes by controlling the map with your army and being a threat to attack at any point. For a long time, it was assumed in 2v2s on fastest that players would pick their own race. This usually ended up in a PPvPP matchup. Some people got bored of this, others literally realized they weren't good at PPvPP and started demanding PRvPR or they'd refuse to play (let's flip a coin and hope for an imbalanced matchup in my favor, hooray!)
The team that gets PZ on fastest is in huge trouble. You have no ability to control the map and fight back with units. The meta became that you'd either essentially all in and do an aggressive rush (usually in the form of a cannon and ling rush) or you'd go static defense, try to draw the game out while you teched up, and hope your opponent would eventually make a mistake over the long run. Bam and I personally hated hinging the result of the game on an all in rush, hence why we both choked and built defense. The reason Bam spreads his sunkens out is because he knows he will get tank pushed - he's trying to create more time by forcing the Terran to push. I obviously can't help him cause I'm choked in, so he's preparing accordingly.
I'll be critical of myself this game. Ideally, I would be pushing my choke where they had me blocked. I probably stopped because I had a combination of too many probes and reavers that were taking too much supply, and I simply wasn't going to break a bunch of tanks and cannons with ground units. It was not atypical for me to commit to killing 1 person's economy and trying to create a 2v1 scenario, which we saw in this game. I'll give myself a C+ for this game - I accomplished my goal and did push out and take back the middle at the very end when the Protoss disconnected, but I should have been faster about it and more committed to helping Bam (specifically, probes in his base to build cannons for him and re-take the choke point at the entrance of his base).
If people have specific questions about why things were done, I will try to answer honestly (I miss talking/thinking about fastest 2v2 meta!) I don't have Starcraft replays anymore which is unfortunate, because if I knew somebody gave a shit there's a lot of games that are much, much more exciting than this. For the individuals criticizing, you probably could get on the level of the people in this game at fastest if you decided to and committed to it, I'm not going to act like myself or the people in this game were at a level that others couldn't achieve. However, unless you played a shitload of SC, you would have lost to probably either team in this game. A good Korean player can pick up fastest very quick, but even they are going to take their lumps early on because they don't know the meta.
If I wanted to just mass an army and tech to templar drops, I could do that incredibly efficiently, but I'm not going to do that when I know how this matchup plays out and that my Zerg ally is not going to be able build enough hydras to help when I get 2v1'd. These situations were played out over and over again and an entire meta was developed. I don't want to build static D at my entrance and play this way, but I've played as PZ enough on fastest to know I don't have many other options. There are some flagrantly foolish comments on this video that I will admit bother me, but I don't think it's worth trying to explain what's going on to individuals who aren't even keen enough to realize this wasn't played on Brood War.
Hey, thanks for the detailed inside information. :) Helps me understand FME better for sure.
@@FalconPaladin Thanks for casting it, I still am smiling and find it funny that of all the time I've spent playing this game that this replay ended up on TH-cam. I'll email some other replays later if you want to cast them. Again, I really miss discussing these strategies and this game type, so please feel free to shoot questions.
Ryoji I know this is super late but you still gaming? Is the game still alive? And this is eX(lethal) from way back when xs mafia and lethal were still doing ppvpp lol...
Mentioning that this was on classic and not brood war makes me curious the differences in the meta, because as far as I know everyone plays BW, so it’s not like you can find much. Thanks for the extra context though!
Sounds like a bunch of malarkey
Thank you so much Falcon for casting BW, I love the 1v1's, the Pro's are so entertaining! Also, its nice to see the team games because I used to play a lot of Fastest Map and 3v3 Zero Clutter way back in the day. I look forward every week to the BW casts. Could you possibly find a 3v3 Zero Clutter replay from the 2000's? I would really like to see you cast a game from an OLD Meta because that's what I grew up on. Thx bud!
I love that you mentioned the radio style commentary because that is actually what I do, I listen and play on Playstation at the same time
When I used to play these types of maps I would always choose Protoss even tho it wasn't my main race.. You gotta mind control one of your partners workers and start building in one of the empty spots. No one scouts in these types of games. Your bank is always huge and you can easily fund an extra 200 supply, not to mention the benefit of having your own tanks or crack lings supporting your main fully upgraded Protoss army is invaluable.
I was wondering if this would work, cool idea
Damn you, this was one of my secret strategies.
Well, you should, if possible, mind control the workers of both terrans and zergs, and use the best of their units and buildings for defending your main base and supporting your attack group.
One example is, using defense matrix ability from the science vessel units on protoss reavers, and then dropping them on a enemy base. They are robotic units so queens can't use the broodling ability like they would on a siege tank to kill them instantly. Not perfect but better than letting them die quickly.
for 2v2 the simplest combo is to essentially play M&Ms with zerg units instead of marines. protoss can do the worker thing but that's nowhere near as powerful when it's not on a map like this, zerg has a lot of good unit synergy but no big combos with protoss.
a good rule of thumb in joint armies is to pick units that work at different ranges and/or move at different speeds: they tie eachother up a lot less and naturally saturate the available area...not sure whether or not that's worth not taking a range upgrade though, those are pretty damn important and it's been way to long since I've played to remember the little ways in which co-op goes wrong (or right).
once you get past the point of forgetting to make stuff *so* much of starcraft is just plain making it harder for the other guy to play the game effectively, if your units take less attention and/or force more attention you are usually going to win unless they are a horrible matchup for the other person's units or they just plain play literally twice as well as you.
Dude, Falcon Paladin, thanks for posting these. I love these videos. I’m a looooooooongtime SCBW fan. Keep the videos coming!
I remember being a recipient of those storm drops. Not fun at all and can totally make you GG out of the game. AV is Allied Victory I believe.
29:06 "Its 2019 you guys, how exciting is that?" ... we were happy and we didnt know it ;)
But hey, thanks to binging YT because of the pandemic, I found these amazing transmissions !
I noticed this video is 4 years old, but I don't care.
I love watching your videos, you have such a fun interpretation and calm voice, and the most important is - you don't shout so we can watch your videos in bed :)
In some situations, you lack really just a bit of awareness and when you notice, you don't rewind, but should (not referring to this vid exactly).
Have you ever been an official caster, and why not? You should :)
This is cool to watch. I miss these days.
You keep seeming confused in these replays about the storm drop kill numbers. Just look at the supply before and after. They get about 50 kills on average.
When u know Spanish so u understand what's going on
hahaha sure, i know spanish and that was anything but a language ... XD
@@majormononoke8958 it was Spanish internet chat speak lol
I know but can we call it spanish ?
Orthography ...
Grammar...
Spanish words...
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Could be Portuguese or something as well
Is spanish, but strong deformed.
32:05 "av" means "allied victory"
This was like the perfect opportunity to mass carriers. Like.. why..
Fastest Map Ever: 32 min
Preach!
2v2 on fastest is the noobest and slowest game of all sc
It's fast money, do you remember how they were listed lol....$$$$$FA$TE$T $$$MAP$$$$EVER$$$$$ and, imo, for noobiest map was 4v4 FASTEST ZERO CLUTTER TvB
@@jaredsciguy1634 zero clutter 20 minutes no rush map max
It's meant as fast paced.
the nuke you were looking for at 21st minute was a defensive one, dot was right on the reavers.
14:40 where @Falcon Paladin hallucinated and seen a broodlord lmfao maybe I can spot some Colossus :D
How did you know i wasn't always watching those games?
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I think Kuzanagi forgot Valkyries existed.
everyone does since they used to hold back
@@nickporter9967 it literally says brood war
@@jeremyhu8418 You have the choice if you want to play on StarCraft original or on the expansion, Brood War. If you chose to play on the original, the expansion units are not available.
@@ServACidOpLg I know but they shouldn't call it broodwar if they aren't playing on broodwar settings
@@jeremyhu8418 Yeah, I agree.
Should update the title since this wasn't played on BROOD WAR!!
glad to see the first video for 2019!!
You borrow a ling next to a gas in another base so when you get dropped you can run them away
I’m pissed with the Zerg player. He could’ve spawn millions of speedlings against those dragoons. But the cast is excellent!
... only seeing your content two years after this one was made. Just wanted to say that he was spamming "av av" in chat which is Allied Victory. He was asking to ally up. Also, that nuke you said didnt land definitely hit the front of the protoss entrance lmao
What happened? Seemed like they were on the way to a win only drop out? Could’ve gone either way to be honest. Great post FP. Please post more 2v2 on fastest! It’s like a Starcraft Red Bull. Lol
What a match!!!
SUPER!!!
Its Spanish, Falcon. Its just really raggedy and that cat can't spell worth a crap. Xq means por qué FYI. Love the cast!
Terran should have been using irradiate on zerg drones. Way cheaper and better than dropping
Hmmm good point.
well, the science vessel is a lot slower ... also he may just burrow...
Possibly, but I've never had that happen. And since the vessel has a good casting range usually its barely being hit by defenses. Works good on terran too
How you said meiosis is correct!
I assume av = allied victory, it's when everyone allies and the game ends with everyone winning. Courtesy due to someone dropping due to internet connection issues. Looks like they didn't agree though.
Captain here: xq is slang in Spanish for "por qué" which means "why".
Thanks for the translation!
@@FalconPaladin Falcon your casts are fun! I love this non profesional replays sometimes. Have a great year!
Zerg should just spam hydras to be honest, good against air drops and treade well against most units. Lurkers are also very nice if you have a good economy. Good Meat Shield for protos with carriers
We always used æ to be Allied End. Though it was said out loud as "Alley End"
I notice while many players apm is much higher than mine I still crush them. I think they are just spamming microactions. For geno shuttles should have been full of reevers and templar squezzzing them in between the goons not aimlessly losing them also protoss arbitors and recall for reinforcements if he would have set recall on his gateways, at the 12 minute mark protoss should have used mind control on his buddy and had unlimited resources to build a mega mech army or mass zerg with 10 workers. I salute you falcon paladin you're the best also I'm a big fan of broadwar fastest.
Av means allied victory. They want red to ally up so they all get a victory
I feel like arbiters with cloaked army can destroy those sunkens easily. Just add goliaths/wraiths/corsairs and observers for overlords and observers. 9:52
Love FMP 💪🏻
I like it when the teams are the same race zz VS tt....etc
I’m confused why team south didn’t go for a group or two of wraiths or scouts. Not only does it help counter the drops and recalls, it is great against the sunk/guardian.
Brings back memories of playing fastest map possible & nothing else the first year I played SC as a kid 😂. Then I realized this was not the actual game. Most players who play this don’t really know what spell casters do besides storm. So they just ignore the science vessel spells b/c they can recklessly throw away units with unlimited income 😂🤦♂️😂.
Dude falcon how are you doing my friend can you upload the replays? I wanna download for see more details I wanna learn more
Zerg could have done a hell of a lot more. Defiler and with lings or ultras would have taken care of those tanks.
I think this may have been played on classic. Didn't see any brood war units. No medics right?
At like 9mins they all but 1 have under 1000 mins, in my memory, fastest maps were like by 3 mins (I'm guessing, but def early) you had more minerals than you could spend, I'd go 10-20 barracks, starport, stargate, hatchs, or gateways..max out, throw it away and max again, first to slip lost. Waited for more workers to build more stuff more than minerals... im sure my memory is off, lol but this was my game nd I don't Remember worrying bout minerals after a point like 5 figures most the game
AiOroS have APM like me when I play Starcraft :D
I saw the words SUPER STARTCRAFT
21:25 that was defensive nuke on the slugs
they are centapetes I think
16:54 - 24 probes
Haha so much fun with Kuzanagi comments in spanish
The language used for the players is spanish 🇪🇦
Why cant i find this map?
4 noob lol
Why are the minerals gloeong and mine does. Npt
Yes, you cannot build nex,cc or hatch to starting position because to close to mins.
@Falcon Paladin
We should record with each other! just recently also made a starcraft match
It was Spanish, he wanted to get allied due to his partner dropping
Spanish? That was not even baby talk ...
Where can I download this map bro, i wanna practice team solo to increase apm n stuff
Link for this map sir
que buena partida se mandaron los compas
Hey Falcon, it's spanish with a lot of words being typed in weird ways lol
Is hallucinating your own drop ships in order to get past the missile turrets a waste of mp?
Not on fastest map.
have anyone managed to destroy enemy main building?
I have remastered but why this one has different skins?
I pre-ordered the Remaster.
Talking crap on red when he won the game single handed. LOL
I rarely see anyone using hallucinations, why is that? Is the 75mana storm always better than 100mana hallucination out of High Templar?
you get more utility out of storm, hallucinations is pretty expensive considering the very limited value you get from a hallucination. The only time hallucination is ever viable is to cover an arbiter for a recall and even then it's rarely used.
Is there a download for this map??
Go to Battle.net, probably US West or Korea, and find a FME game on Styler. If you join the game, it'll automatically download the map into your Downloads folder.
were you in that zodiak clan?
@18:48 lost 70 drones lolol
no audio?
this guy sounds a lot like Husky Starcraft... hmmm
Well, I got started after Husky disappeared on us. I was sad my favorite casters (HD, Husky, Psy) all stopped uploading, so I decided to try it. :D
Jaja Falcon they are talking in a really bad spanish, even i could not understand them sometimes
:D hahaha
the thing about spanish is that not every country have a neutral spanish. they are chileans. i speak a lot with chileans and i understood everything what they said. also kusanagi was way too salty
@@NecroOmega kusanagi sounds like amaterasu or izanagi, something japanese...
@@ganqqwerty i can bet he tried kirito before the one is using now
@@ganqqwerty kyo kusanagi from the king of fighters or kusanagi sword from naruto or something from japan
The idiom is spanish , Perú live players i am live in mexico but i like english
That zerg player was trash. I was never any good at normal maps, so fastest maps were my game of choice. No defiler mound, no lurkers, and not nearly enough hatcheries. What a bum and got carried by his teammate. Would've been cool to see the 2 toss players duke out at the end.
Also noticed that it during the fight guardians vs goons there was NO reinforcements! WTF?
I agree with you. What a pain to watch this guy plays zerg. Brown only has dragoons, all he needs to do is hatch a dozen of lukers and zerglings + some defilers at the way in, but seems like he doesnt know how to deal with it
It wasnt broodwar, its was sc original if u notice no medics corrisairs, valkryies etc.
Those players are mas chilenos que los porotos
yeah, Fastest Map ever usually has the longest replays)
"fastest"
Yo yo yo.
ya ya ya
Falcon Paladin Thanks for the uploading video bro 👍
14:41 Brood Lords?
Yeah, I cast both SC2 and Brood War and sometimes I confuse my names for stuff. :)
Yay, I'm first! Good stuff Falcon, although I prefer a proper game where competent players are actually trying to win. Unfortunately in every 2v2 players are always being silly.
First! So you'd prefer 1v1 FME?
Felt cheated at the end
bannanas ))
KuSh[VcK] > Ryoji
xq? Means why
Ah, ty. :)
Chilean guys!
AV hes asking for allied victory so he can get a free win.
where is the fastest channel at now?
I dont think their APM is real because they're too bad
apm spam on that map is easier than mining
Agreed. Some of theeese guys weere so baaad.
av is allied victory.. he's asking for allied victory for his stats//record
Terran could have finished this faster with nuking and emping the nexus of red protoss. They play hard way with excluding any of intuitive thinking.
😊
The red guys does nothing amazing
more fastest plz
Yep bad spanish from south América lol
chilean spanish to be precise
@@benitocamelas7784 peruvians use to say "apla" instead of habla which is the spanish for speak
They are Mexican, but they are using gaming terms
... well chat... playing game ... bad education what do you expect XD
Can you turn off the music ?
noob versus noob
Its not Broodlords..!
Why the brown leave? This players was not good :S
Объясните по русски кто там победил ?)
xs.Bam and xs.Ryoji
Falcon Paladin спасибо, мне показалось сначала что zerg не выдержал натиска и вышел из игры. Просто я не совсем разбираюсь в английском.
Good! Moar fa$test!
The issue was they couldn't find a answer for the recalls and the zerg was lacking for a answer for the goons. Why not switch tec to defi cloud and ling or lurker
They're talking in spanish
Spanish!!