Just in case I was not clear in the video. This is not an attack on the impact hypothesis. It may well be true and serious scientists are investigating the idea. However, I do strongly object to the accusation that archaeologists and scientists are hiding the truth from the public. I often find that those who suggest this idea are more than happy to cite scientists that agree with them but disparage and attack those who do not. I hope I showed that these issues are very complicated and that any disagreements exist for good reason. As always there is far more to this debate than any one video can show. Thousands of archaeologists, geologists and scientists of all shapes and sizes are trying hard to understand the ancient history of our planet. If the evidence shows that an asteroid struck, or we find cultures we did not know about before, then it is because of their hard work that we will know that. Thank you for watching.
We have like 20+ very similar so called Dansgaard-Oeschger events in the near 120 000 years, some colder and with more wild fluctuations. I really want to know more about them. The Younger Dryas however gets all the love. Good job Younger Dryas getting all the attention and a cool name :/
Will you talk about the paleolithic human impact on the amazon basin one day? Most people think the jungle was a wild land without any cultivation or human impact, a view that doesn't stand up well. Domestication of Thoebroma Cacao and other crops occurred in the upper amazonian basin around 5,300 years ago and many of the foodstuffs we find in the amazon today are in fact cultivars.
If you haven't read it yet, I recommend Charlea Mann's, "1491: New Revelations of the Americas before Columbus" He has a very interesting section on the Amazon basin.
@@StefanMilo I would also find it interesting if you were to cover the possibility of ancient Mediterranean basin civilizations, back when the straight of Gibraltar was perhaps a massive waterfall.
@@BaltimoresBerzerker I am not a archeologist and my use of the word paleolithic might be mistaken, from a cursory glance at the wiki it seems that the pleo/meso/neo lithic ages depend on regional advances so maybe I wasn't using the correct term for that time period in that region of the world. However yes people were here at the end of the paleolithic period. I realise that there is a lot of controversy over when humans first got here but the selection of crops and improvement of their yields that occurred in the amazon has some decent evidence for it. Wild cocoa pods yield very little and have thick walls, cultivars produce more juice and more beans and we have found ceramic fermentation vessels throughout the amazon/Andean foothills. www.nature.com/articles/s41559-018-0697-x
Hi Stefan, Just so you know, I am a member of the Comet Research Group who purposed the YDIH, and I will be the first one to tell you that the Younger dryas period is probably the most complicated example of Climate change ever experienced by Humans and the puzzle still has many missing components to fully understand what actually happened. But we have 65 PhD's from nearly every discipline of the Earth Science's and many many other highly educated people working diligently on scientifically locating and finding the evidence that will answer the most complex event in human history. Having said that, I am convinced beyond any doubt, and from personal boots on the ground research all across North America. 12900 years BP, a Cosmic Comet or other extraterrestrial Object's Impacted on the North American Ice Sheets and accelerrated the melting and massive melt water floods poured into the oceans raising the oceans by 400 feet. The rapid floodingof cold fresh water shut down the Oceans Thermohaline currents. This completely shut down ocean currents carrying warm water to the North like the Gulf Stream. This is the onset of the YD. It took 1400 years for the planet to recover at 11,500 years BP. We will be publishing on a new crater discovery within the year. Stay tuned.
Interesting! I'm curious why the GISP2 found the platinum spike at 12,895 BP but the ammonium spike 30 years later. Why the delay? And was the burning regional or global? It is a fantastic puzzle because we have so many pieces, but the total picture is still unknown!
I see a lot of mention about the Amoc slowing down in recent months due to the cool summer in the UK & growing cold blob in the North Atlantic. From your own knowledge of the younger dryas do you believe we could see a shut down of the Amoc within the next 30 years?
As a fellow archaeologist, I loved your intro "$50k a year job"' comment. That's what gets me the most. Like, my guy, I make 55k a year, you really think I have the time, energy, or resources to participate in this supposedlly vast conspiracy???
If it’s not a conspiracy then it’s negligence and incompetence.. personally I would of went with the conspiracy angle, at least then you were competent. 😅
Fellow archaeologist! I let out a little laugh/sob at the accuracy of that comment--I love telling people why no, we don't find gold, and even if we did, we couldn't keep it
@@stuffinsthegreat It's the same with lots of things. Like, you're a Dr and you make a couple hundred grand a year, doesn't mean you get to keep a couple hundred grand a year. You had a number one hit? You madfe it! They gave you a record deal. You don't get to keep millions of dollars. You got paid millions of dollars to make a movie? You're lucky if your take home is a couple % of that when all is said and done. You're a business. And research grants? For scientific discovery? Oh, you don't have to pay that back! But you don't get to keep it. lol. Like the people you rely on for researach money aren't asking questions about where every penny is going.
Well done as usual, but you neglected to mention why the Younger Dryas (and the Older Dryas) have that name. It’s because during those times, a small, cold-adapted flower in the genus Dryas became much more abundant. The genus is named after dryads, which are a kind of wood nymph in Greek mythology.
I know I'm a bit late to the show on this video, but while ancient aliens and other kinds of Atlantean civilization theories might be wacky, Gobekli Tepe and Nevali Cori provide staunch evidence that architecture was at least somewhat advanced in the younger dryas beyond what most people thought ten years ago.
Using the common sense and Okham's razor, if it was an alien construction it would have been appeared much more "hight tech"..in the end they were simply stone alligned with constellations.
@@Nullius_in_verba Hes saying that Humans were more advanced than we thought for the time period. Im another to believe humans were more advanced in Knowledge & application far further back than what is generally accepted. Hallmarks of Human-kind are consistently found pushing back dates, that show a high level of articulation at increasing scales. Though ill toy with the idea that Aliens may have visited & parted Knowledge to us.
@@combatflowarts Yep, the fact that humans were more advanced than we thought is well demonstrated today. Yes, sometimes I toy with that idea too, I really love Assassin's Creed..still I cant accept the idea of trasmitting knowledge because all the findings say that was a slowly and realy imperfect learning curve.
@@bart6901 Zamora estimates that his Carolina Bay impact would only melt one Missoula worth of water, directly. In fact there was 1200 years of cooling after the YD onset impact. The YD cold spell may have been the result of a missoula-scale (or 100x bigger, a Lake Aggasiz) drainage that disrupted the gulf stream. Most people getting confused that the impact was at the start of a melting period. It was the start of a cold period. The big melting was at the end YD not the beginning YD.
I agree. For those who wish to explore the science, this Wiki entry provides an overview. "The Younger Dryas event, notably its sudden end. It is the most recent of the Dansgaard-Oeschger cycles and began 12,900 years ago and moved back into a warm-and-wet climate regime about 11,600 years ago. It has been suggested that: "The extreme rapidity of these changes in a variable that directly represents regional climate implies that the events at the end of the last glaciation may have been responses to some kind of threshold or trigger in the North Atlantic climate system." A model for this event based on disruption to the thermohaline circulation has been supported by other studies. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrupt_climate_change Willi Dansgaard bio: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willi_Dansgaard Papers: scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=willi+Dansgaard&btnG= Many other scientific papers listed here: scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Dansgaard&btnG=
You guys, don't be fooled by the British accent. It's always used in youtube video to establish higher credibility and impress the audience. Nice intimidating tactic, and it seems to be working, at least by the number of people who do use it (or fake it).
Your videos, with fact-based commentary and delightful quips of humor, sometimes overt sometimes subtle, are incredibly educational, thought-provoking, and entertaining. Thank you!! (Support to follow)
Hi the other Milo recommended you on his channel so i figured i would check it out. Ill be honest i believed Graham Hancocks claim about the Young dryas but after doing my own research on it im starting to see how much is misinformation and this video also helped so thank you for posting the real truth cause we people really need more of it these days. Great video, hope you are doing well.
Hancock is not spreading misinformation. Some of his speculations are weakly supported by facts, but the facts he does give are accurate. His antagonism towards mainstream archaeology is unfortunate but understandable when you view the patronizing reactions to his ideas.
@@jacquesstrapp3219 I have no idea how you could've interacted with any criticism of Hancock's work (or just the info in the video above!!!) and still come away with the idea that "the facts [Hancock] does give are accurate". The man lies constantly, e.g. by misrepresentating what are demonstrably natural formations as man-made, using soil carbon datings as dates of human activity, presenting Younger Dryas sea level rise as a cataclysmic flood,... He's absolutely spreading misinformation, and the fact that he does regularly interact with actual scientists makes it almost impossible for him not to be aware of it.
@buzhichun You just did what you claim Hancock does. You misrepresented what he says to suit your agenda. The epitome of hypocrisy. Since I am familiar with his work, I instantly recognize when you lie about what he said. For example, you said he misrepresents "demonstrably natural formations as man made." Two things are false about that statement. There is disagreement about whether features like the Bimini Road are man-made, and Hancock says so. He states his opinion that they are man-made but nowhere does he claim this as fact. You claiming he did is a lie. On closer examination, the only one misrepresenting anything here is you.
If you meet a man who sells real estate for a living he's going to try to sell you real estate. If you meet a man who makes his living selling 12k old pyramids in egypt and lost tech cultures he's going to try to sell you that. He's not some university researcher living on salary and grant money. He is in the book selling and lecture business. His degree is in sociology.
@@jacquesstrapp3219 on the first episode of ancient architects he lies about some coral structures at nan madol. Says they're man-made, but it was proven years before they are coral
Fabivs Agree. I don’t see this subject as being as contested as it’s made out to be by either side. It appears that in the past ppl simply didn’t dig beyond a certain point & dates as to when things were possibly built might have been assigned to incorrect periods. The entire process of what we believe about humanity & civilization also contains facts that may have been misinterpreted. I believe that in time ppl like you will find other sites & better interpret existing sites. Do you have any theories about Gobekli Tepe? I believe that even with that “groundbreaking” (pun intended) site that it’s real use & significance was missed at first but that some are realizing how it was truly linked to civilization.
If I may make an attempt: Archaeology, traditionally defined or conceived, is concerned more specifically with the human past, however ancient (hence the root "paleo-", as in paleoanthropology). Paleoecology is thus more general, since it is the ancient history of climates or ecologies, which includes the human place in the environment, e.g. as subsistence evidence or causal factors. But there is certainly overlap between the two disciplines, for example, dating methods and intertwined scientific narratives. The original post or video presenter are welcome to nuance my response or to correct me. Hope my attempt to answer helps!
J. A. Smith I’m just a fly on a wall here but that’s impressive. I’ve found it interesting that some on each side misrepresent the arguments of the other side. This video isn’t the first to allege that the other side claims some vast advanced civilization connected across the globe when in reality some are just saying that there might have been a few tightly centered cultures that had contact with one another or that spread. At the same time, although I respect Graham Hancock, he seems to be saying that those opposing his ideas are dogmatic in refusing to evaluate new information instead of recognizing that these “fields” change slowly through a peer reviewed research. In other words, if a 20,000 year old civilization was unearthed today, although it might not be recognized as such immediately, as evidence mounted & was subject to peer review, it would eventually be accepted. I honestly believe that Gobekli Tepe is linked to other settlements that have yet to be discovered & that it’s purpose was much more practical than current theory. Although we acquired wisdom as we age, the worst part about realizing that our lives our relatively short is knowing that we won’t live long enough to gain the knowledge of major discoveries in the future. Someday we may find even single cell life exists elsewhere in our solar system or we may find an archeological site that rewrites everything we know today. That’s why the work that you & others do regarding this & other subjects is so fascinating to me & more importantly, of great significance to all of humanity.
@@r.williamcomm7693 Yeah, a global civilization doesn't have to have billions of people crossing the globe on airplanes. It could have easily been a civilization like the macedonian empire or the Roman republic that crossed the sea and setup outposts and trade with other cultures. I'm not sure why this theory is so far fetched. If someone like Alexander the great knew about continents on the other side of the atlantic he would have tried to explore it. People often forget that ancient humans have the same brains and minds we do, they weren't primates living in caves and worshiping snakes.
@Bitchslapper316 Agree 100%. There’s a great documentary style film here on TH-cam about the Egyptians, how they built the pyramids & how they they are proposed to have traveled to South America, India, & even Australia. Let me know if you need the link.
It annoys me to no end that people keep insisting it had to be "One OR the other, but NOT multiple causes!!" for stuff like this. Dudes, real life doesn't play one card at a time. It's several cards at a time, some malignant, some benign...and sometimes it's more heavily drawn to one side or the other. Personally, I think it was several things that happened over a span of a few hundred years, some of it clustered tightly, some of it spread out, but all of it enough in combination to tip things the wrong way. Did the North American ice sheets melting around Hudson Bay drain along the northwest, east, or southern routes? ...Why not more than one? Maybe one direction drained more than the others, but more than one is absolutely possible. Landscape isn't like the absolutely smooth, level rim of a pot, so it could've poured off in more than one direction. (Also, the whole Columbia Basin has been proved to be a massive flood zone, contributing further to freshwater desalination of the Pacific, though not quite at the same time as the Hudson Bay area draining.) Based on the unusual minerals found I think one or more meteors may have been involved, possibly meteorites whose impacts were blunted by the ice so there would be little evidence on the land deep underneath. (A mile or two of compacted snow & ice makes a great catcher's mitt, wouldn't you think?) And volcanoes? Absolutely realistic! Fire storms? Sure! If weather was disrupted so severely by something that there was a lengthy drought in the summer season, with little snow for a few years to soak into the soil and thus into the plants, forest fires could spread for thousands of miles unchecked! Any single one of these things might not be enough, but more than one? It's almost never one thing alone. Assuming just one catastrophic event alone caused a massive worldwide change like the YD means that one thing would have to be truly, immensely catastrophic to affect the whole world. It'd be like a tank versus guns, knives, and matches. The evidence for its impact would be as undeniable as the KT-Boundary that ended the last age of the dinosaurs. But since we DON'T have a metaphoric smoking Howitzer barrel in the geologic record, then it had to have been a "perfect storm" of MULTIPLE different things that occurred closely enough together to cause an add-on effect.
That is certainly what the Ice cores reveal. It's not steady and linear, like the Uniformitarianists insist it was/is. Even coming out of the last Ice Age the weather was swinging wildly every few hundred years. And there are dramatic spikes that look like outside forces impact the weather. We are spoiled. It's been nice weather for hundreds of years, allowing crops and technology, good health, science,... allowing us to believe this is the way it should always be. We couldn't be more wrong about that. WHAM! It could change everything,..overnight. It has in the past, many times.
ladyofthemasque you make a great point and I think you're right. I think what happens is scientists look at their area of expertise. So someone researching ocean currents looks at some parts, then geologists look at their area. When these scientists all get together on everything then there's varying opinions on what happened overall.
@@Andy-1234 arguably our geologically calm period gives us very good perspective since we aren't struggling with survival against a harsh climate. though we will very likely be all too soon.. also, looking at things in terms of a lifetime or two doesn't say much. if there's anyone to look back in 5-10k years, they will have proper perspective on our time.
As an archaeologist who specializes in the Pleistocene Americas, this is easily one of the best synopses of this complex topic I've ever seen! It's also very well-said and sensitive to both sides of the debate. Well done, Stefan!
This is a great presentation. Don’t sell yourself short - you may not be a research scientist in this field, but you are well informed. Plus, by NOT being a scientist in this field, you can look at this subject objectively, unlike those who are married to a single hypothesis. Thank you for a job well done.
Calling other non-scientist ideas 'whacky' is selling them short, so Milo can sell himself and his spoon short along with them. 'Just presenting the facts' would include the wonders of Gobekli, megalithic construction, unexplained uaps, and the unexplained exponential technology humans have recently achieved; take a hard look at us, we are just barely conscious, barely logical, clueless... Professional archeologists are as full of themselves as Milo is.
well informed, demon - what do you call genius? thick as a brick? dumber n dogsshit? arse like two ferrets fighting in a sack? get behind thee, satan - genius? I call it Stefan. If u believe in God I've got bridge in Sydney Harbour going cheap, mate?
@@rogerjohnson2562 "unexplained exponential technology" ... uh, what about the invention of the internet and relative world peace since 1945 making exchanging science and knowledge so much easier than the past?
This has actually helped me with something. The Bolling-Allerod warming period was as abrupt as the Younger-Dryas; it’s all one event. The warming was triggered by warm water turning over in the ocean, warming the Earth. When the Feedback loop was complete and freshwater poured in, the cold began again. What we are going through now is probably the same thing. Air temperature isn’t causing the ocean to warm, the ocean turning over is causing the climate to warm. There is always a cause and effect debate within science but given this has become a political issue, people have seized it as a means of control so it’s “settled science”, which should alarm everyone. I think they have the cause and effect backward here and we are dealing with another abrupt warming period, not caused by humans but by Co2 being released by ocean turnover, the same as it was 15,000 or so years ago.
I had no idea the younger dryas was considered controversial. I thought Jim Teller’s work on a catastrophic release of glacial Lake Agassiz shutting down the North Atlantic thermohaline circulation was widely acknowledged as the mechanism for the cooling.
I’ve been trying to figure out how many generations of human beings could be said to have lived in that 1000 year period. Assuming that the average adult Homo sapiens back then lived to age 25, that’s 4 generations every 100 years, for a total of 40 generations. The climate could’ve re-shaped the genetics of our species considerably during that time. And the forced movements of groups of people southward to avoid the intense cold could have accelerated the rate of interbreeding between different populations, including with Neanderthals and Denisovans. I can’t wait to see where the science leads us with regards to these issues.
I really really love Milo's total and genuine unpretentiousness. That trait is usually typical of the most brilliant humans. True geniuses rarely look the part, so to speak. Unassuming, making things seem easy, geniuses make topics seem matter-of-fact and easy. Milo is a YT treasure and one of its best secrets :)
@@freeman7079 Legit was thinking that. His speech at the start, was so pretentious and wrong. The same guy 20 years ago giving that speech would be totally wrong today as he talks about the lack of water erosion around the pyramid, the "ridiculous" theory of a 40 000 year green cycle to the Sahara, and the discovery of geopolymers. How pretentious to think we have all the answers now, and diminish what he considers fake science when in our lifetimes "fake science" has become proven fact and in other cases equally plausible theories as science improves, and proven fact has fallen to faux science in other cases. Specifically when the theories are based on a lack of evidence rather than evidence.
@@pasadenaphil8804 Seems to be a bloody good microphone to me given the sound quality we got from a recording outside on a mountain. technology is getting better and better...
I'm a guy relaxing on a bed who read your comment from a chair about the guy sitting on a rock. I think it's great how these videos bring such different people together.
The Scab lands of Eastern WA State are A amazing example of Immense scale&size of glacial cataclysms caused. Believing to have been formed near the end of the younger Dryas and helping to form breathtaking natural design in the basins,valleys and gorges caused by the aftermath of these massive glacier flows that helped in carving the surrounding & breathtaking landscape found there today!
No, they did not form near the end of the Younger Dryas. They started forming 2 million years ago. And the LGM floods took place from 18-13k years bp, ending just before the Younger Dryas.
The Lubbock Lake site mentioned is known to most Lubbockites at the Lubbock Lake Landmark. That very place sparked my love for everything ancient and before us, and seeing it referenced in these videos really makes me smile. I'm very proud to know that place, and I've been able to take my favorite people there. Thanks for the video!
I have a basin at home. But I didn't grow up in it. Are you part of the Monty Python sketch with 4 old guys trying to say each one had it harder than the other by making outrageous impossible hardship statements?
I live on the shores of ancient Lake Agassiz now. And it is definitely a basin. You can stand on the edge of massive escarpment and see the old lakebed stretch out in front of you, with the old sand beach under your feet, and there is no doubt what you are looking at.
I do appreciate the sober take. There is a newly found impact crater in Greenland. I know it hasn't been fully dated, but due to lack of erosion it can be young enough to fit the bill. Should have at least been mentioned as a possible candidate as it is.
Hi Stefan, you are my definite go-to for all of my prehistory fix, l often get bogged down with other channel's delivery of the info but you have a knack for imparting knowledge in a very understandable way, a brilliant & necessary trait for a good teacher. Thanks mate, wishing you al the best for you & your lovely family from Australia 🇦🇺 😀
This has actually helped me with something. The Bolling-Allerod warming period was as abrupt as the Younger-Dryas; it’s all one event. The warming was triggered by warm water turning over in the ocean, warming the Earth. When the Feedback loop was complete and freshwater poured in, the cold began again. What we are going through now is probably the same thing. Air temperature isn’t causing the ocean to warm, the ocean turning over is causing the climate to warm. There is always a cause and effect debate within science but given this has become a political issue, people have seized it as a means of control so it’s “settled science”, which should alarm everyone. I think they have the cause and effect backward here and we are dealing with another abrupt warming period, not caused by humans but by Co2 being released by ocean turnover, the same as it was 15,000 or so years ago.
Recently read a paper about the human genetic bottleneck around the Younger Dryas. They think that in particular, there was SEVERE contraction in male (y chromosome) diversity. Possibly leading to a F:M of 17:1. Their hypothesis was that during stressful times, male birth is less likely. They supported this by looking at Japan, and their three most recent disasters. In all cases, 9+ months later, there was statistically significant decline in male birth in the local areas following disaster. I find this really intriguing. Is there some kind of built in feedback system, in our genetic code, that controls our population????? This could be a potential Fermi Paradox solution. Life always balances things out, between all species.
Fetuses are female during the first few weeks, later they developed further into different genders, since the male fetus is more vulnerable they say, the mother body would 'spare resources' during stressful times and thus more 'effortlessly' girls will be born.. After wars, more males are born because may be because life gets better and there is a boost to every thing and more 'resources' for the mother and less stress on the fetus.. And also, think of it, females are more needed during stressful times because children must be born to cope, thus 1 male can impregnate 17 women quickly, and so on and so on
They’re not saying this for the “speed” of reproduction but the efficiency from 17 females and 1 male other than 17 males and 1 female. Which do you think would populate quicker
@@flyinlow7190 i didn't say 17 males and 1 female i said 17 males and 17 females. Why are you people acting like this is a zero sum idea? My point is why would "nature" choose to make it this way because if you have only 1 male impregnating all those females that's going to mean all those offspring will be half siblings to each other and that is not gonna be good for the genepool
Thanks for being clear and open about your sources. I appreciate all the work that goes into these videos. I was planning to do some myself and you have raised the bar. Well done!
Got my exam on the Scandinavian stone age next week and it just feels so good to rewatch one of my favorite youtubers on my lunch break to recap what I just read :D
The isostatic adjustment of Earth's crust after the melting of thick continental glaciers (3.2 km thick at its largest) is something else to consider. Post glacial rebound isn't discussed enough and can have peculiar effects for life on Earth. Top notch video by the way.
*As soon as I saw that 12.9k I immediately thought of Milankovitch Cycles (obliquity, eccentricity and precession). Another factor could be the Grand Solar Cycles which caused the Maunder Minimum and contributed to the end of the Bronze Age.*
sssssshhhh!!! Don't let anyone know it's the sun that influences our climate! And please don't mention CO2 being the life-giving gas on this planet! PLEASE!!!
Always learn something new, or in details I never considered. Your production value has really picked up greatly, and I am so happy that spoon is now a reoccurring thing. Good work!
Absolutely fascinating, thank you!! I feel for archeologists & paleontologists have always had to spend such a frustrating amount of time combating non-evidence-based pseudo-theories, leaving less time for actively educating the public & potential future members of these fields... Want to thank you AND them for your patience, humour and persistence in that!
I really love your discussion of the quality of the data. as a psychologist and oncologist (cancer dock) the quality of the data has vastly changed my opinion of many topics . is it better to deal with fate which is unchangeable or to struggle against it even if the way with blind faith? I think this is an important question in view of the current fascist current, threatening to drown the United States and the environmental catastrophe, which is already underway.
Hey Milo.... The mammoths and mastadons living on islands have neither the territory nor the numbers to maintain a population in the face of both changing climate and human predation. It is logical to surmise that once humans came to these islands, it was simply a matter of time before the population of mammoths became unable to sustain itself. Unlike the plains of North America where there were millions of animals roaming millions of square miles of territory with the time and numbers to maintain a healthy population. And you have to remember, it was not only the mammoths and ground sloths that took a hit.....there were dozens of other massive species that all disappeared at the same time. Attributing the extinction of millions of animals, strictly to a relatively small population of humans doen not make sense.
Their extinction is definitely not a human activity. Recently we have similar event involving Reindeers; Search: Over 200 Reindeer Have Been Found Dead in Svalbard, Because of Climate Change The clues are in the article: The food shortage, the ecologists believe, was brought about by temperatures in the Arctic. This results in higher rainfall during Winter, which freezes on the ground, producing a hard, thick layer of ice. Usually, the reindeer can dig through the snow to reach the vegetation underneath, but the ice layer is impenetrable, so the reindeer starve. In addition, warmer weather can result in a longer breeding season. That sounds good, but in Winter that results in greater competition for food, and taking greater risks for food, climbing the sides of mountains to reach higher vegetation. And the weakest animals are less likely to survive. That means the older ones die first, but so do the very young. This mean Mammoths might be vulnerable to the same rain-ice forming process. Remember the release of excessive water pour into the ocean? This might mean a lot of rain, sudden humid climate in one day- but because the process of the End of the glacial is not finished - in the next day - very abrupt cold changes that freeze all of that moisture - making the land impenetrable ice field. And the YD boundary is black. Meaning this indeed may be a layer left of rotting vegetation - a humid condition can attribute to rotting, but also if it rains and all of a sudden waves of cold weather freeze that vegetation - it can preserve it even green for the next spring, where it will rot - again in humid conditions.
Finally, thank you. People seem to forget half of the world’s megafauna went extinct, not just a couple of mammoths. That’s millions ad millions of individual animals!
Overhunting by human is the only explanation that does make sense for the extinction of Pleistocene megafauna. Even low levels of human hunting would have had catastrophic impacts on slowly reproducing large mammals. Migration routes would have been disrupted because humans would be ambushing whole herds. Evidence suggests extinctions occurred at different times at different sites, indicating humans and no other variables were wiping megafauna populations out.
The Bølling-Allerød warming is named after to places in Denmark: *Bølling Sø* is a lake in Jutland that was drained in 1870 and used for peat. The *Tollund Man* , a bog man, was found there. *Allerød* is a small town on Zealand, north of Copenhagen, where there used to be a brickyard that used clay from a nearby claypit, a the pit whith deposits from the period . Denmark was partly coveret by the ice sheet 20 000 years ago, but was ice free tundra and park tundra during the Bølling-Allerød and younger dryas.
I just wanted to mention to you that I don't always leave a long comment but I do ALWAYS leave a comment and a thumbs up because I believe it helps with youtube's recommendations to others. And your videos definitely should be recommended. I love the way you present us with the most widely accepted theory and then include other various held theories. Like I said 'great video'.
@Chas Maravel The Pleistocene/Quarternary will not end until earth emerges from the a splinter arm of the Milky Way through which we have been passing for the last 2.8 million years. So, roughly a million years to go.
If I was hunting for food, I would likely have gone after smaller animals first. That would mean young mammoths. If they had the almost 2 year gestation period like elephants, killing the young would certainly result in decreased populations.
I would say though you wouldn't be hunting for just yourself, but for a large group, so you'd go for an adult that can feed more. Unless you have a taste for baby elephants, but practically wise, you'd go for a bigger one to feed a group of people. But...that still hinders the young that are still feeding from mom, or alone, as in the last few.
@@Rhaenarys I think it is a more practical issue. Wouldn’t it be easier to kill, say, 3 baby mammoths as opposed to 1 large mammoth? Do they know how large the groups were? Because a baby mammoth was still quite large and could feed a good amount of people. You could be right…I’m just thinking out loud.
Animal remains in middens show that larger fauna were killed first and the size gradually reduces over time. When the tribe gets to the bunny soup stage, they move on to a new site where there’s more big game to hunt.
Yeah if you think about, wolf's, big cats and orca all go for young, weak and old pray. It's easier to get the kill, not a 100% success rate but still a higher chance of success.
It took me the whole video to realize the relevance of the mountain maybe I’m still wrong but I never even stopped to think how cold it is in the mountains. This man just perpetuated himself getting colder just to teach us bout the younger drias respect.
It must be so frustrating to make these well thought out and researched videos only for half the comments to be pseudo intellectual crap about Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock
Thanks! There are corners of the internet that are obsessed with this time period. They believe, despite the evidence, that this was the time of Atlantis.
@Andrew Cannon I think what you are more interested in - is the psyche of those ancient people. Those people have shaped even through the distance of that much time - our worldview, our thinking, our imagination. They sure build out of stone - for you to get in touch with them in a sense. And through psyche - we can travel in time.
@Stefan Milo What everyone refers to Atlantis was Indonesian Plateau which if you look was above sea water level during YD and not chain of islands like today . Atlantis stories as told by egptians are not make up stories af .
I commend your deep probing of issues and coherent synthesis of evidence, all of which takes our research view to the next level. Well done and thanks for making such a significant contribution to such a challenging discipline as anthropology.
I worked with endangered birds in Hawaii, and my overall impression is that the Pacific islands are great evidence for the ability of humans to cause extinctions; however, many extinctions were probably due to rats that people brought, rather than over hunting. Lowland clearing was another major cause (the land became very highly populated -- most islands in Hawaii have fewer people now than 800 years ago). For the megafauna puzzle, this all argues that overhunting is too simplistic. In the Americas, many species went extinct that probably were not hunted at all (e.g., cormorants, rails, pygmy owls). I do not think that Clovis Man can be convicted on the available evidence. He probably should be out on bail, as he's not a flight risk or a threat to the community. However I'm sure he knows more than he has revealed.
This might be slightly unrelated but I find it interesting how the melting of the giant ice sheets following the Younger Dryas may provide a more scientific explanation as to why so many cultures have flood myths. Besides the fact that most major civilizations formed on the banks of rivers and seas placing them in the path of regular floods, the fact that catastrophic glacial lakes would break through ice dams and flood massive areas more dramatically than any "bad season" on the Euphrates may help explain the prevalence of flood myths in religions across the world. If anyone managed to survive these glacial flood pulses, it would certainly be a story worth telling! Also, even if water rose slowly after these pulses, it would still cause bands of people to abandon their usual lands and move into places potentially occupied by other groups. The creation myths of places around the Persian gulf sometimes feature fish humans or creatures emerging from the water. This seems reasonable to me considering that part of the world was critical to homo sapiens and, during the ice age, would have been habitable land. However, once sea levels began to rise, the Persian gulf would have been slowly turned into wetlands, swamps and eventually a fully formed gulf. The people living there certainly would have been forced out at some point but not before their attempts at adapting were proven futile. They would then move into higher, dryer regions and encounter the people who would eventually write them into their stories. But these are just my theories.
I don’t think you need a mass flooding event. Any seasonal flood could be the source of the story, a recurring event such as flooding would have great storytelling power.
I wouldn't be surprised if ancient stories about sea levels rising quick enough over a few generations that large areas of land need to be abandoned. Question is, since river civilizations are prone to flooding anyways, how could we ever know for sure? It'll only ever be idle speculation.
Yooooooo Milo from miniminuteman just shouted u out. Never fanned over anyone on the internet but u said it best and first about the younger dryas and with this graham Hancock Netflix shat out now more ppl will look this up so Hopefully ppl will see past the billshat and find you for some knowledge
Regarding megafauna extinction and the hunting hypothesis: The only megafauna to survive into modern times (elephants, rhinos, etc) are located in Africa and Asia, which are also the regions that had large populations of early hominids. One theory I've heard is that long periods of exposure to hominids that were hunters but less adept than homo sapiens, such as homo erectus, selected for animals that can handle coexistance with hunter-gatherer humans. They kinda coevolved with us, like cheetahs and gazelles coevolved. Whereas, once we spread enough to find megafauna who hadn't evolved to withstand hunting from homo erectus etc, they struggled to deal with the skilled, efficient hunting patterns of homo sapiens. (Neanderthals and Denisovans also were probably too skilled for many megafauna, too.) There's an optimal challenge level that causes natural selection, if the challenge is too great, none of the individuals are able to handle it so there's no one to select for. Kind of like if you have a plague that wipes out 60% of the population, the survivors will be more resistant to that disease, but if it wipes out 100% of the population, then they just go extinct. (Even if it left a few survivors, they could easily wind up dying out from challenges that normally aren't a major threat to the species, or fail to find mates when reproductively ready, or have severe enough inbreeding suppression that they die out.)
In so glad that I fell asleep with my phone in my hand. Because I did so, I woke up to this video and have now found this amazing channel! I've found some of my favorite channels by pressing random videos in my sleep. Great way to find exceptional ones, like this one! Lol. I'm excited to get watching all the previous videos, and to see what a coming next. Also, I just had to point out that I pressed, Subscribe, as soon as I heard the view point on "evil archeologists" supposedly hiding evidence of our past, to supposedly protect their thesis and $50,000 salary. Lol. It's incredibly sad how far and few in between it is to find any logic on this subject, anymore. Thank you for being one of the sane ones.
Admittedly I only learned about the term Younger Dryas from reading Graham Hancock. I really enjoy all of his books. I also really enjoyed your video and I will look forward to other videos you make.
My PhD is in physics and my field is fusion reactors. I think we have the same experience that most documentaries are crap. I only watch documentaries made by scientists such as yourself who are not only experts in their fields but also good at presenting the science. I also like watching seminars. As long as the words are coming from a scientist's mouth I will listen.
If you only watch documentaries made by scientists then you have only one perspective. Do yourself a favor and enjoy watching some UnchartedX videos on the evidence for advanced stone cutting.
Evidence of meteor impact in Greenland recently, backs up the theory of a North American Meteor strike from 12,000+ years ago, caused a sudden thaw, raising sea levels 400 ft and then caused a mini ice age from the event blocking out the sun for a period of time, almost causing a human extinction level event. Plato wrote about the sinking of Alantis and the Great Floods are thought to be related to this event, interesting stuff. Have a nice day.
I know this is an older video. But it's the third I've watched in two days. Your lectures are nice. They are college professor level lectures... just well presented and based on research. Very nice, sir; a new subscriber for you. :)
Stefan: have you considered the alignment of the many oval-shaped scallops that are referred to as the Carolina Bays? They all seem to point to a location that was covered by ice at the time they were formed. The earth is also raised around their boundaries indicating impact.
Let me help you. Once again dating work done on the Carolina Bays tell us they were not formed during the Younger Dryas, they do not align as claimed and are in fact aligned with local wind patterns. Antonio Zamora only places it with the proposed Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis as he needs it to further his frankly insane hypothesis. Nothing, literally nothing places their formation to the time frame of the Younger Dryas.
Did you not watch the video ? He thinks there is a clear correlation between the arrival of human hunters and mass extinction on different continents. Climate and humans likely caused it.
@@infinitemonkey917 And I, as someone who knows the size of a beef carcass and how many it can feed and for how long, have expressed my thoughts on the matter. Aren't you supposed to be in a room with hundreds more of you trying to write Shakespeare?
@@Leftatalbuquerque Then explain the decline of mega-fauna on every continent sequentially correlated to the arrival of humans. Explain the massive kill sites where entire herds were driven off of a cliff. Knowing the size of a cow carcass doesn't make you an expert. Also, it wasn't all driven by direct predation. Humans out competed other animals for the same resources driving them to less suitable areas.
Look up island gigantism. Moa were large land birds with only the eagles as prey animals. They also lasted until humans showed up. The same is true of Madagascar with the giant lemur and Elephant bird. (Jason and the Argonauts) it’s thought that the egg of the elephant bird inspired the story of the giant bird that they had to fight off.
Maybe it's not only humans, but also the evolution of other species that were quicker, faster, smarter or just had more endurance than the megafauna. In our legends and myths of the past, the "giants" and megafauna are always tougher than puny species of the current day, but if you look at the kinematics of some of those bigger predators and prey, they're just not as maneuverable as the species dominating, today. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn, for certain, that humans had a big impact on the extinction of megafauna, but those species are also slower and less agile than the species that replaced them. Maybe the giant sloths were JUST quick enough to give a giant cave bear or dire wolf or smilodon a bad time, but were no match for a pack of more modern wolves. Just making up examples, here. But I'm just a guy sitting in a La-Z-Boy.
Just read an article about Madagascar: the first people on the island lived along side the megafauna for 2,000 years, but then agriculture started and it went extinct.
@@nmarbletoe8210 Paradise Lost is habitat lost. Not only was over hunting a cause leading to the extinction of the passenger pidgin it occurred simultaneously with the felling of the forest that they depended upon. Clear cutting for farms felled their nesting and feeding grounds. Well people will always do what they must to survive. In ever increasing numbers more wild lands fall to the plow the mines the cities… it seems paradise is outnumbered.
The Wrangle Island mammoth population seems to be poster child for the isolated population of large animals you've mentioned. They were apparently suffering from heavy in breeding which seemed to have cause a loss in hearing and other stuff. And around 2000 BC the population succumbed to their genetic problems.
Mark 10:10 These beads were formed in a similar process found in an arc welder shop, known as plasma magnetic Z-pinch, is an implosion process able to bind air born dust into beads and at the cosmic scale birth to a planet. The beads found on a welder’s work bench contains the air born molecular dust particles of vaporized metal mixed with air born dust. Those in 10:10 were made of air born (more precisely electric field captured and charge distributed) materials shortly before electric arc strikes during a close encounter from an astroid. All Astro bodies, planets, comets and astroids have one thing in common, they are electrically charged at a cosmic scale ie very energetic. Such electric energy exchange can cause global storm, tidal, seismic, temperature extremes, deluge and plasma discharge. People in our past associate those astroids and comets as bad luck visitors. They don’t need to hit earth to offer catastrophe. Tunguska 1908 an astroid vaporized in mid air by self disintegration out is its own electrical stress without touch down have proof Astro bodies earth alike are electric charged that caused that entente.
Another thoughtful balanced perspective. I really enjoy you being a sceptic and being willing to follow the science even when it questions conventional wisdom. I shall contue to enjoy your videos!
One factor that is almost never considered by archaeologists is that fact that when humans arrived in a new area, they took control of the fire regimen away from lightning. Timing, extent, and severity of fires were different with profound effects on most existing ecosystems. Some disappeared, others were more or less changed into something different. This had to have had an effect on animals dependent on those systems. This might be worth a video. A good starting place would be Stephen Pyne, who distinguishes between First (lightning) Fire and Second (anthropogenic) Fire. According to Pyne, we're now in the era of Third (industrial) Fire. See: www.amazon.com/s?k=Stephen+Pyne&i=stripbooks&qid=1575495699&ref=sr_pg_1
Depends. Science needs to work on certain proven/working assumptions, otherwise it's all guesswork, invalidated simply by saying stuff isn't settled. e.g. why not throw the entire work here out of the window since you could say the science of carbon/radiometric dating isn't settled?
I like your approach keeping things close to the vest and referencing legitimate scientific research. Would like to hear your take on the precision artifacts found in Egypt. Legitimate manufacturing and engineering experts claim technology more akin to what we have today would be necessary to make most of these items. Archeologists who are not expert in any way in the manufacture of precision items seem to stonewall this notion with a blanket denial. Notice I did not mention hiding, conspiracy theories, Atlantis or aliens, but there is an elephant in the room. My background is engineering controls for machines that incorporate precision parts and make or measure precision parts. In my opinion no one has yet come close to figuring out when and how these artifacts were made.
The main problem with the Younger Dryas, named after an arctic plant, was not the drop in temperature. But the drop in rainfall. When I first studied this period, I used the mnemonic "dry-ass". Before the Younger Dryas wheat was being domesticated in the south of Turkey. But the settlements died out because there was no longer enough rainfall for wheat. Probably under 10 inches (250mm) per year. Later, after the Younger Dryas, came the Holocene Climate Optimum, a warmer and wetter period, when wheat was again domesticated. Today in Syria, near Palmyra, the steppe horizon, a thin layer of salt, is about 10 inches deep. Hardly anything grows. There was an intermittent stream less than a yard (meter) wide that flowed under a bank about 6 feet ( 2 meters) tall. On inspection, you could see that the bank was composed of alluvium. Alluvium is typically made up of a variety of materials, including fine particles of silt and clay and larger particles of sand and gravel, indicating a wet and warm period at some time in the past, when the stream was possibly 65 feet (20 meters) wide and at least 6 feet deep. Ten years ago, most of the river bed was filled with windblown sand. The site has been modified to make way for a landfill site for solid waste (garbage). Though the Younger Dryas was the last gasp of the Eemian glacial period, there have been many other cooling episodes since 10,000 years ago. Warm periods also, of which the Holocene Climate Optimum was probably the most dramatic. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum
Had to go back to “none of them died ... and they’re still living amongst us “! Shame on those who criticise this guy’s “turgid delivery “, it’s fine by me and many others! This guy has humour, something lots of history guys and girls lack in spades 🙂
Most independent content creators are in a rush to crank out the volume. It's good to see someone put in some effort. You had to be quick to catch that #6 None of them died...
@@annjones5201 Stefan is a good spud as we say In Ireland 🇮🇪! My grandfather spent his early years and young adulthood in Canada, and was in the Canadian Royal Air Force, and my ex wife has an aunt there. Canada is a vast country as you know, and us Irish are quick in reply as we’re awfully flirtatious 😂My grandfather married three times, I’ll stop at one divorce! The Younger Dryas persists in Canada, or so it seems in some parts. I’m a very old early modern human soon facing my 48th year on the planet! All joking aside though, it’s saddening that the permafrost is retreating, but who knows what fascinating objects lurk therein!! Greetings from Ireland by the way 🌞
I just watched Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix. I thought it was a kind of joke in the beginning and that they would circle back to the currently accepted theories and the scientific evidence behind them but it just kept going. Fancy theories about highly developed ancient civilizations that was wiped out by some great catastrophe, but not an ounce of evidence and he has to make huge leaps in logic to make his theory just the slightest bit believable. He keeps saying that "mainstream archeologists are just not willing to consider new theories" but does he let any of them explain why they do no believe his theories or present their scientific findings that support other theories - of course not. So thank you for making this. I needed to watch something like this to restore my faith in humans :)
So did the Hyborian Age (as depicted in the docudrama "Conan the Barbarian") precede the Younger Dryas? I think some more work needs to be done in this area. ;-)
Well, judging by the time we've been on Earth as a species it could have happened at least 3 times and we would have almost no evidence depending on how far into the past it occured (the Hyborian Age is typically placed sometimes around 30k BC if I'm not too mistaken).
well he had to, it was finally proven after impact remnants were found in syria and thousands of rogan-people were probably bombarding him with that when it first came out.
Just in case I was not clear in the video. This is not an attack on the impact hypothesis. It may well be true and serious scientists are investigating the idea.
However, I do strongly object to the accusation that archaeologists and scientists are hiding the truth from the public. I often find that those who suggest this idea are more than happy to cite scientists that agree with them but disparage and attack those who do not.
I hope I showed that these issues are very complicated and that any disagreements exist for good reason.
As always there is far more to this debate than any one video can show. Thousands of archaeologists, geologists and scientists of all shapes and sizes are trying hard to understand the ancient history of our planet. If the evidence shows that an asteroid struck, or we find cultures we did not know about before, then it is because of their hard work that we will know that.
Thank you for watching.
Good job man, you have a very serious and interesting channel
We have like 20+ very similar so called Dansgaard-Oeschger events in the near 120 000 years, some colder and with more wild fluctuations.
I really want to know more about them. The Younger Dryas however gets all the love. Good job Younger Dryas getting all the attention and a cool name :/
@ben nichols It is an enticing theory, hoping for another.
Your mustache looks lonely. Either get rid of it, or have your beard accompany it.
@@Nmethyltransferase That is so Chinist!
I have heard that the younger dryas was very bad, mostly because the older dryas wasn't around enough to give it a proper upbringing.
Classic dad joke
Top marks, champ.
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For the win.
This is the best execution of the "just some dudes opinion on science" genre of TH-cam videos I've seen.
@Nick Nack no
@Nick Nack I definitely thought you were endorsing that dipshit, my bad lol
This is the best execution of the "just some dudes opinion on science" genre of TH-cam videos I've seen, too.
And he has a great since of humor.
@@HoraceTheClown Grahm Hancock is a wonderful human being, right or wrong, and he does have some compelling evidence so he's not a "dipshit"
Will you talk about the paleolithic human impact on the amazon basin one day? Most people think the jungle was a wild land without any cultivation or human impact, a view that doesn't stand up well. Domestication of Thoebroma Cacao and other crops occurred in the upper amazonian basin around 5,300 years ago and many of the foodstuffs we find in the amazon today are in fact cultivars.
Yeah I'd love to someday, it's just a matter of time. Thanks for watching.
If you haven't read it yet, I recommend Charlea Mann's, "1491: New Revelations of the Americas before Columbus"
He has a very interesting section on the Amazon basin.
@@StefanMilo I would also find it interesting if you were to cover the possibility of ancient Mediterranean basin civilizations, back when the straight of Gibraltar was perhaps a massive waterfall.
sorry but there was no Palaeolithic in the amazon basin. no humans in the amazon at this time
@@BaltimoresBerzerker I am not a archeologist and my use of the word paleolithic might be mistaken, from a cursory glance at the wiki it seems that the pleo/meso/neo lithic ages depend on regional advances so maybe I wasn't using the correct term for that time period in that region of the world. However yes people were here at the end of the paleolithic period. I realise that there is a lot of controversy over when humans first got here but the selection of crops and improvement of their yields that occurred in the amazon has some decent evidence for it. Wild cocoa pods yield very little and have thick walls, cultivars produce more juice and more beans and we have found ceramic fermentation vessels throughout the amazon/Andean foothills. www.nature.com/articles/s41559-018-0697-x
Hi Stefan, Just so you know, I am a member of the Comet Research Group who purposed the YDIH, and I will be the first one to tell you that the Younger dryas period is probably the most complicated example of Climate change ever experienced by Humans and the puzzle still has many missing components to fully understand what actually happened. But we have 65 PhD's from nearly every discipline of the Earth Science's and many many other highly educated people working diligently on scientifically locating and finding the evidence that will answer the most complex event in human history. Having said that, I am convinced beyond any doubt, and from personal boots on the ground research all across North America. 12900 years BP, a Cosmic Comet or other extraterrestrial Object's Impacted on the North American Ice Sheets and accelerrated the melting and massive melt water floods poured into the oceans raising the oceans by 400 feet. The rapid floodingof cold fresh water shut down the Oceans Thermohaline currents. This completely shut down ocean currents carrying warm water to the North like the Gulf Stream. This is the onset of the YD. It took 1400 years for the planet to recover at 11,500 years BP. We will be publishing on a new crater discovery within the year. Stay tuned.
Interesting! I'm curious why the GISP2 found the platinum spike at 12,895 BP but the ammonium spike 30 years later.
Why the delay? And was the burning regional or global? It is a fantastic puzzle because we have so many pieces, but the total picture is still unknown!
Therefore, if you have an opinion on this, and you do not have a PhD in the subject and work in this group, you're probably best not commenting.
@@nmarbletoe8210 did you learn more about it since?
I see a lot of mention about the Amoc slowing down in recent months due to the cool summer in the UK & growing cold blob in the North Atlantic.
From your own knowledge of the younger dryas do you believe we could see a shut down of the Amoc within the next 30 years?
Could these events be the origin of flood myth obviously larger than local flooding
As a fellow archaeologist, I loved your intro "$50k a year job"' comment. That's what gets me the most. Like, my guy, I make 55k a year, you really think I have the time, energy, or resources to participate in this supposedlly vast conspiracy???
No, but you ARE too stupid to contest main stream archaeological theories (that have been proven wrong again and again with more discoveries).
If it’s not a conspiracy then it’s negligence and incompetence.. personally I would of went with the conspiracy angle, at least then you were competent. 😅
Fellow archaeologist! I let out a little laugh/sob at the accuracy of that comment--I love telling people why no, we don't find gold, and even if we did, we couldn't keep it
@@stuffinsthegreat It's the same with lots of things. Like, you're a Dr and you make a couple hundred grand a year, doesn't mean you get to keep a couple hundred grand a year. You had a number one hit? You madfe it! They gave you a record deal. You don't get to keep millions of dollars. You got paid millions of dollars to make a movie? You're lucky if your take home is a couple % of that when all is said and done. You're a business.
And research grants? For scientific discovery? Oh, you don't have to pay that back! But you don't get to keep it. lol. Like the people you rely on for researach money aren't asking questions about where every penny is going.
Along with half of Canadians.
Well done as usual, but you neglected to mention why the Younger Dryas (and the Older Dryas) have that name. It’s because during those times, a small, cold-adapted flower in the genus Dryas became much more abundant. The genus is named after dryads, which are a kind of wood nymph in Greek mythology.
everyone knows this
@@Q_QQ_Q I didn't and i'm old lol.
Cool story bro but but it's because the are 1000 years apart
@@slavensimic9544 How can flowers be 1000 years apart?😉
@@ws2228 They are forget-me-nots
I know I'm a bit late to the show on this video, but while ancient aliens and other kinds of Atlantean civilization theories might be wacky, Gobekli Tepe and Nevali Cori provide staunch evidence that architecture was at least somewhat advanced in the younger dryas beyond what most people thought ten years ago.
hard to get the good local or national news how can I trust information from 100 yrs ago or more lmao
Using the common sense and Okham's razor, if it was an alien construction it would have been appeared much more "hight tech"..in the end they were simply stone alligned with constellations.
Gobekli Tepe was excavated more than 10 years ago.
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Hes saying that Humans were more advanced than we thought for the time period.
Im another to believe humans were more advanced in Knowledge & application far further back than what is generally accepted.
Hallmarks of Human-kind are consistently found pushing back dates, that show a high level of articulation at increasing scales.
Though ill toy with the idea that Aliens may have visited & parted Knowledge to us.
@@combatflowarts Yep, the fact that humans were more advanced than we thought is well demonstrated today.
Yes, sometimes I toy with that idea too, I really love Assassin's Creed..still I cant accept the idea of trasmitting knowledge because all the findings say that was a slowly and realy imperfect learning curve.
My geology professor shows us your videos in class! I love them!
Well done, Stefan. I didn't see it as an attack on the impact hypothesis - you were very clear on that and your position seems completely fair to me.
Besides the fact that if there was a comet the rise in sealevel would have been cataclysmic and not 4 cm a year
You mean something on the order of 300 to 400 feet very quickly?
@@bart6901 Zamora estimates that his Carolina Bay impact would only melt one Missoula worth of water, directly. In fact there was 1200 years of cooling after the YD onset impact. The YD cold spell may have been the result of a missoula-scale (or 100x bigger, a Lake Aggasiz) drainage that disrupted the gulf stream.
Most people getting confused that the impact was at the start of a melting period. It was the start of a cold period. The big melting was at the end YD not the beginning YD.
@@nmarbletoe8210And Zamora has zero evidence the Bay's were created by an impact. His whole hypothesis is 'it looks like this'.
@@swirvinbirds1971 i agree, the impact idea needs confirmatory evidence.
The Bays are one of the great unsolved mysteries of geography.
Only just got round to watching this one but was well worth the wait. Superb stuff
I agree. For those who wish to explore the science, this Wiki entry provides an overview.
"The Younger Dryas event, notably its sudden end. It is the most recent of the Dansgaard-Oeschger cycles and began 12,900 years ago and moved back into a warm-and-wet climate regime about 11,600 years ago. It has been suggested that:
"The extreme rapidity of these changes in a variable that directly represents regional climate implies that the events at the end of the last glaciation may have been responses to some kind of threshold or trigger in the North Atlantic climate system."
A model for this event based on disruption to the thermohaline circulation has been supported by other studies.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrupt_climate_change
Willi Dansgaard bio: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willi_Dansgaard
Papers: scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=willi+Dansgaard&btnG=
Many other scientific papers listed here:
scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Dansgaard&btnG=
You guys, don't be fooled by the British accent. It's always used in youtube video to establish higher credibility and impress the audience. Nice intimidating tactic, and it seems to be working, at least by the number of people who do use it (or fake it).
This guy is a kiwi
@@ryanwilson8323 I am a parsimmon.
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Your videos, with fact-based commentary and delightful quips of humor, sometimes overt sometimes subtle, are incredibly educational, thought-provoking, and entertaining. Thank you!! (Support to follow)
Hi the other Milo recommended you on his channel so i figured i would check it out. Ill be honest i believed Graham Hancocks claim about the Young dryas but after doing my own research on it im starting to see how much is misinformation and this video also helped so thank you for posting the real truth cause we people really need more of it these days. Great video, hope you are doing well.
Hancock is not spreading misinformation. Some of his speculations are weakly supported by facts, but the facts he does give are accurate. His antagonism towards mainstream archaeology is unfortunate but understandable when you view the patronizing reactions to his ideas.
@@jacquesstrapp3219 I have no idea how you could've interacted with any criticism of Hancock's work (or just the info in the video above!!!) and still come away with the idea that "the facts [Hancock] does give are accurate". The man lies constantly, e.g. by misrepresentating what are demonstrably natural formations as man-made, using soil carbon datings as dates of human activity, presenting Younger Dryas sea level rise as a cataclysmic flood,... He's absolutely spreading misinformation, and the fact that he does regularly interact with actual scientists makes it almost impossible for him not to be aware of it.
@buzhichun You just did what you claim Hancock does. You misrepresented what he says to suit your agenda. The epitome of hypocrisy. Since I am familiar with his work, I instantly recognize when you lie about what he said. For example, you said he misrepresents "demonstrably natural formations as man made." Two things are false about that statement. There is disagreement about whether features like the Bimini Road are man-made, and Hancock says so. He states his opinion that they are man-made but nowhere does he claim this as fact. You claiming he did is a lie. On closer examination, the only one misrepresenting anything here is you.
If you meet a man who sells real estate for a living he's going to try to sell you real estate.
If you meet a man who makes his living selling 12k old pyramids in egypt and lost tech cultures he's going to try to sell you that.
He's not some university researcher living on salary and grant money. He is in the book selling and lecture business. His degree is in sociology.
@@jacquesstrapp3219 on the first episode of ancient architects he lies about some coral structures at nan madol. Says they're man-made, but it was proven years before they are coral
These scientists are not archaeologists, but paleoecologists. Source: I am one.
Fabivs Agree. I don’t see this subject as being as contested as it’s made out to be by either side. It appears that in the past ppl simply didn’t dig beyond a certain point & dates as to when things were possibly built might have been assigned to incorrect periods. The entire process of what we believe about humanity & civilization also contains facts that may have been misinterpreted. I believe that in time ppl like you will find other sites & better interpret existing sites. Do you have any theories about Gobekli Tepe? I believe that even with that “groundbreaking” (pun intended) site that it’s real use & significance was missed at first but that some are realizing how it was truly linked to civilization.
If I may make an attempt: Archaeology, traditionally defined or conceived, is concerned more specifically with the human past, however ancient (hence the root "paleo-", as in paleoanthropology). Paleoecology is thus more general, since it is the ancient history of climates or ecologies, which includes the human place in the environment, e.g. as subsistence evidence or causal factors. But there is certainly overlap between the two disciplines, for example, dating methods and intertwined scientific narratives. The original post or video presenter are welcome to nuance my response or to correct me. Hope my attempt to answer helps!
J. A. Smith I’m just a fly on a wall here but that’s impressive. I’ve found it interesting that some on each side misrepresent the arguments of the other side. This video isn’t the first to allege that the other side claims some vast advanced civilization connected across the globe when in reality some are just saying that there might have been a few tightly centered cultures that had contact with one another or that spread. At the same time, although I respect Graham Hancock, he seems to be saying that those opposing his ideas are dogmatic in refusing to evaluate new information instead of recognizing that these “fields” change slowly through a peer reviewed research. In other words, if a 20,000 year old civilization was unearthed today, although it might not be recognized as such immediately, as evidence mounted & was subject to peer review, it would eventually be accepted.
I honestly believe that Gobekli Tepe is linked to other settlements that have yet to be discovered & that it’s purpose was much more practical than current theory. Although we acquired wisdom as we age, the worst part about realizing that our lives our relatively short is knowing that we won’t live long enough to gain the knowledge of major discoveries in the future. Someday we may find even single cell life exists elsewhere in our solar system or we may find an archeological site that rewrites everything we know today. That’s why the work that you & others do regarding this & other subjects is so fascinating to me & more importantly, of great significance to all of humanity.
@@r.williamcomm7693 Yeah, a global civilization doesn't have to have billions of people crossing the globe on airplanes. It could have easily been a civilization like the macedonian empire or the Roman republic that crossed the sea and setup outposts and trade with other cultures. I'm not sure why this theory is so far fetched. If someone like Alexander the great knew about continents on the other side of the atlantic he would have tried to explore it. People often forget that ancient humans have the same brains and minds we do, they weren't primates living in caves and worshiping snakes.
@Bitchslapper316 Agree 100%. There’s a great documentary style film here on TH-cam about the Egyptians, how they built the pyramids & how they they are proposed to have traveled to South America, India, & even Australia. Let me know if you need the link.
It annoys me to no end that people keep insisting it had to be "One OR the other, but NOT multiple causes!!" for stuff like this. Dudes, real life doesn't play one card at a time. It's several cards at a time, some malignant, some benign...and sometimes it's more heavily drawn to one side or the other. Personally, I think it was several things that happened over a span of a few hundred years, some of it clustered tightly, some of it spread out, but all of it enough in combination to tip things the wrong way.
Did the North American ice sheets melting around Hudson Bay drain along the northwest, east, or southern routes? ...Why not more than one? Maybe one direction drained more than the others, but more than one is absolutely possible. Landscape isn't like the absolutely smooth, level rim of a pot, so it could've poured off in more than one direction. (Also, the whole Columbia Basin has been proved to be a massive flood zone, contributing further to freshwater desalination of the Pacific, though not quite at the same time as the Hudson Bay area draining.)
Based on the unusual minerals found I think one or more meteors may have been involved, possibly meteorites whose impacts were blunted by the ice so there would be little evidence on the land deep underneath. (A mile or two of compacted snow & ice makes a great catcher's mitt, wouldn't you think?) And volcanoes? Absolutely realistic!
Fire storms? Sure! If weather was disrupted so severely by something that there was a lengthy drought in the summer season, with little snow for a few years to soak into the soil and thus into the plants, forest fires could spread for thousands of miles unchecked! Any single one of these things might not be enough, but more than one? It's almost never one thing alone.
Assuming just one catastrophic event alone caused a massive worldwide change like the YD means that one thing would have to be truly, immensely catastrophic to affect the whole world. It'd be like a tank versus guns, knives, and matches. The evidence for its impact would be as undeniable as the KT-Boundary that ended the last age of the dinosaurs. But since we DON'T have a metaphoric smoking Howitzer barrel in the geologic record, then it had to have been a "perfect storm" of MULTIPLE different things that occurred closely enough together to cause an add-on effect.
That is certainly what the Ice cores reveal. It's not steady and linear, like the Uniformitarianists insist it was/is. Even coming out of the last Ice Age the weather was swinging wildly every few hundred years. And there are dramatic spikes that look like outside forces impact the weather. We are spoiled. It's been nice weather for hundreds of years, allowing crops and technology, good health, science,... allowing us to believe this is the way it should always be. We couldn't be more wrong about that. WHAM! It could change everything,..overnight. It has in the past, many times.
ladyofthemasque you make a great point and I think you're right. I think what happens is scientists look at their area of expertise. So someone researching ocean currents looks at some parts, then geologists look at their area. When these scientists all get together on everything then there's varying opinions on what happened overall.
MegaDawg342 yes! We have been living in a docile time overall. Doesn't give us much perspective. Thank u and great point
@@Andy-1234 arguably our geologically calm period gives us very good perspective since we aren't struggling with survival against a harsh climate. though we will very likely be all too soon.. also, looking at things in terms of a lifetime or two doesn't say much. if there's anyone to look back in 5-10k years, they will have proper perspective on our time.
@John Barber LOL
As an archaeologist who specializes in the Pleistocene Americas, this is easily one of the best synopses of this complex topic I've ever seen! It's also very well-said and sensitive to both sides of the debate. Well done, Stefan!
Thanks man! Everyone check out "a life in ruins" podcast hosted by david here. If you like my vids, you'll love it.
The claim that that is a wicked hat is the most controversial aspect of this video
This is a great presentation. Don’t sell yourself short - you may not be a research scientist in this field, but you are well informed. Plus, by NOT being a scientist in this field, you can look at this subject objectively, unlike those who are married to a single hypothesis. Thank you for a job well done.
Calling other non-scientist ideas 'whacky' is selling them short, so Milo can sell himself and his spoon short along with them. 'Just presenting the facts' would include the wonders of Gobekli, megalithic construction, unexplained uaps, and the unexplained exponential technology humans have recently achieved; take a hard look at us, we are just barely conscious, barely logical, clueless... Professional archeologists are as full of themselves as Milo is.
well informed, demon - what do you call genius? thick as a brick? dumber n dogsshit? arse like two ferrets fighting in a sack?
get behind thee, satan - genius? I call it Stefan. If u believe in God I've got bridge in Sydney Harbour going cheap, mate?
@@rogerjohnson2562 "unexplained exponential technology" ... uh, what about the invention of the internet and relative world peace since 1945 making exchanging science and knowledge so much easier than the past?
This has actually helped me with something. The Bolling-Allerod warming period was as abrupt as the Younger-Dryas; it’s all one event. The warming was triggered by warm water turning over in the ocean, warming the Earth. When the Feedback loop was complete and freshwater poured in, the cold began again.
What we are going through now is probably the same thing. Air temperature isn’t causing the ocean to warm, the ocean turning over is causing the climate to warm.
There is always a cause and effect debate within science but given this has become a political issue, people have seized it as a means of control so it’s “settled science”, which should alarm everyone.
I think they have the cause and effect backward here and we are dealing with another abrupt warming period, not caused by humans but by Co2 being released by ocean turnover, the same as it was 15,000 or so years ago.
Steps for plan 'improve video series':
* Travel to Greenland and shoot outdoors in HD
* Bring plastic spoon
* Take a supply of extra plastic spoons (they get brittle in he cold).
It really should be sporks.
It good to hear a real person talking about his interests and research in his own way. It well done and interesting. Thanks!
I'd much rather have a dryas than a wet one. 😅
😂
What about both? A wet dryas - win win
Thank you heckle fish😂
I had no idea the younger dryas was considered controversial. I thought Jim Teller’s work on a catastrophic release of glacial Lake Agassiz shutting down the North Atlantic thermohaline circulation was widely acknowledged as the mechanism for the cooling.
You can blame joe rogan for that. I came to know about younger dryas through him though
its controversial because theres soo much mounting evidence over the decades that is supporting some sort of impacts
it could have been both an ast
The Younger Dryas is not controversial, but the impact is. I think the impacts may have triggered that Lake Agassiz release.
@@sumitshresth It's funny how people having a conversation can be so 'controversial' 🤣
“It didn’t last very long. Just about a thousand years”... Archeologists have a weird sense of time lol
Time is relative. A second is a long time when your life is in danger.
I’ve been trying to figure out how many generations of human beings could be said to have lived in that 1000 year period. Assuming that the average adult Homo sapiens back then lived to age 25, that’s 4 generations every 100 years, for a total of 40 generations. The climate could’ve re-shaped the genetics of our species considerably during that time. And the forced movements of groups of people southward to avoid the intense cold could have accelerated the rate of interbreeding between different populations, including with Neanderthals and Denisovans. I can’t wait to see where the science leads us with regards to these issues.
...3°C warming in 100years IS very fast...! :-(
@@johnperic6860 ...global warming...
...it's in the news...! ;-)
@@johnperic6860 It depends on which side of the fence you sit on. The Dems would have you believe otherwise.
I really really love Milo's total and genuine unpretentiousness. That trait is usually typical of the most brilliant humans. True geniuses rarely look the part, so to speak. Unassuming, making things seem easy, geniuses make topics seem matter-of-fact and easy.
Milo is a YT treasure and one of its best secrets :)
Lol you’ve got
To be kidding me on the “unpretentious” description.
A you tube video makes someone a genius?
@@freeman7079 Legit was thinking that. His speech at the start, was so pretentious and wrong. The same guy 20 years ago giving that speech would be totally wrong today as he talks about the lack of water erosion around the pyramid, the "ridiculous" theory of a 40 000 year green cycle to the Sahara, and the discovery of geopolymers.
How pretentious to think we have all the answers now, and diminish what he considers fake science when in our lifetimes "fake science" has become proven fact and in other cases equally plausible theories as science improves, and proven fact has fallen to faux science in other cases. Specifically when the theories are based on a lack of evidence rather than evidence.
I agree, he's way into the data, which should give one a sense of humility.
@@freeman7079 You’re very ready to launch that charge. At least one piece of evidence for pretentiousness?
The asteroid smashing the earth like a squeaky toy almost kill me. Thank you for that. Great edit jejej
😂😂😂
" I am just a guy sitting on a rock". That is funny and philosophical at same time.
- just a man sitting on a chair.
Also Younger Dryas was caused by one thing or another, and there are other possibilities. Not bad for guy sitting on a rock.
And forced to use a cheap microphone lacking a wind screen because his cheap Patreon supporters won't cough up the money.
@@pasadenaphil8804 Seems to be a bloody good microphone to me given the sound quality we got from a recording outside on a mountain. technology is getting better and better...
I'm a guy relaxing on a bed who read your comment from a chair about the guy sitting on a rock. I think it's great how these videos bring such different people together.
I'm a potato lying on a coach. So happy Mr. Sitting on Rock didn't use me to shoot this sharp looking episode
So glad you're not promoting the nonsense. I enjoy your vids, thanks.
The Scab lands of Eastern WA State are A amazing example of Immense scale&size of glacial cataclysms caused. Believing to have been formed near the end of the younger Dryas and helping to form breathtaking natural design in the basins,valleys and gorges caused by the aftermath of these massive glacier flows that helped in carving the surrounding & breathtaking landscape found there today!
No, they did not form near the end of the Younger Dryas. They started forming 2 million years ago. And the LGM floods took place from 18-13k years bp, ending just before the Younger Dryas.
@@dalelambert1266 No they formed 18,000 to 20,000 years ago from the USGS
The Lubbock Lake site mentioned is known to most Lubbockites at the Lubbock Lake Landmark. That very place sparked my love for everything ancient and before us, and seeing it referenced in these videos really makes me smile. I'm very proud to know that place, and I've been able to take my favorite people there. Thanks for the video!
What's a lubbockite?
@@cholulahotsauce6166 people who live in the city of Lubbock.
@@strawberryseed1886lubbockians.
@@strawberryseed1886And here I was thinking it was "Lubbockians."
I grew up in the basin left by Lake Agassiz, it's interesting to learn how much of an impact it might have had on the world!
I have a basin at home. But I didn't grow up in it. Are you part of the Monty Python sketch with 4 old guys trying to say each one had it harder than the other by making outrageous impossible hardship statements?
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now what a weird comment.
I live on the shores of ancient Lake Agassiz now. And it is definitely a basin. You can stand on the edge of massive escarpment and see the old lakebed stretch out in front of you, with the old sand beach under your feet, and there is no doubt what you are looking at.
I spent part of my childhood in Lake Agassiz's basin.
I do appreciate the sober take. There is a newly found impact crater in Greenland. I know it hasn't been fully dated, but due to lack of erosion it can be young enough to fit the bill. Should have at least been mentioned as a possible candidate as it is.
This video was posted before then.
Hi Stefan, you are my definite go-to for all of my prehistory fix, l often get bogged down with other channel's delivery of the info but you have a knack for imparting knowledge in a very understandable way, a brilliant & necessary trait for a good teacher. Thanks mate, wishing you al the best for you & your lovely family from Australia 🇦🇺 😀
This has actually helped me with something. The Bolling-Allerod warming period was as abrupt as the Younger-Dryas; it’s all one event. The warming was triggered by warm water turning over in the ocean, warming the Earth. When the Feedback loop was complete and freshwater poured in, the cold began again.
What we are going through now is probably the same thing. Air temperature isn’t causing the ocean to warm, the ocean turning over is causing the climate to warm.
There is always a cause and effect debate within science but given this has become a political issue, people have seized it as a means of control so it’s “settled science”, which should alarm everyone.
I think they have the cause and effect backward here and we are dealing with another abrupt warming period, not caused by humans but by Co2 being released by ocean turnover, the same as it was 15,000 or so years ago.
Really!!!!???
Recently read a paper about the human genetic bottleneck around the Younger Dryas. They think that in particular, there was SEVERE contraction in male (y chromosome) diversity. Possibly leading to a F:M of 17:1. Their hypothesis was that during stressful times, male birth is less likely. They supported this by looking at Japan, and their three most recent disasters. In all cases, 9+ months later, there was statistically significant decline in male birth in the local areas following disaster.
I find this really intriguing. Is there some kind of built in feedback system, in our genetic code, that controls our population????? This could be a potential Fermi Paradox solution. Life always balances things out, between all species.
Fetuses are female during the first few weeks, later they developed further into different genders, since the male fetus is more vulnerable they say, the mother body would 'spare resources' during stressful times and thus more 'effortlessly' girls will be born.. After wars, more males are born because may be because life gets better and there is a boost to every thing and more 'resources' for the mother and less stress on the fetus.. And also, think of it, females are more needed during stressful times because children must be born to cope, thus 1 male can impregnate 17 women quickly, and so on and so on
@@Ava-cy6qw how can 1 male impregnate 17 females more quickly than 17 males can? I really don't get the logic in that
@@john.premose if the ratio is changed 1 male impregnating 17 women is more efficient and likely than 17 men impregnating 1 woman
They’re not saying this for the “speed” of reproduction but the efficiency from 17 females and 1 male other than 17 males and 1 female. Which do you think would populate quicker
@@flyinlow7190 i didn't say 17 males and 1 female i said 17 males and 17 females. Why are you people acting like this is a zero sum idea? My point is why would "nature" choose to make it this way because if you have only 1 male impregnating all those females that's going to mean all those offspring will be half siblings to each other and that is not gonna be good for the genepool
Such a good use of sources. I really appreciate the amount of research that had to go into making this video.
Stefan and Trey the Explainer release video at same day. What a wonderfull time to be alive.
I really like art used in your excelent video.
Thanks, it's by Ettore Mazza. Link to his Instagram is in the description.
Thanks for being clear and open about your sources. I appreciate all the work that goes into these videos. I was planning to do some myself and you have raised the bar. Well done!
Got my exam on the Scandinavian stone age next week and it just feels so good to rewatch one of my favorite youtubers on my lunch break to recap what I just read :D
The isostatic adjustment of Earth's crust after the melting of thick continental glaciers (3.2 km thick at its largest) is something else to consider. Post glacial rebound isn't discussed enough and can have peculiar effects for life on Earth. Top notch video by the way.
I've a picture now of mammoths trampolining on the rebounding crust & doing Hot Dog flips. I can see how injury & death might result.
The ice retreated and the oceans rose , but so did the land....
*As soon as I saw that 12.9k I immediately thought of Milankovitch Cycles (obliquity, eccentricity and precession). Another factor could be the Grand Solar Cycles which caused the Maunder Minimum and contributed to the end of the Bronze Age.*
Not like the Thera eruption did much huh
sssssshhhh!!!
Don't let anyone know it's the sun that influences our climate!
And please don't mention CO2 being the life-giving gas on this planet! PLEASE!!!
@@crhu319 *The Sun can cause both volcanism and tectonism.*
Always learn something new, or in details I never considered.
Your production value has really picked up greatly, and I am so happy that spoon is now a reoccurring thing. Good work!
Absolutely fascinating, thank you!! I feel for archeologists & paleontologists have always had to spend such a frustrating amount of time combating non-evidence-based pseudo-theories, leaving less time for actively educating the public & potential future members of these fields... Want to thank you AND them for your patience, humour and persistence in that!
Except much "pseudo-science" has been proven more and more to be..."Science".
@@bullyakker Examples?
@@260Torrent Geezus kid, do a little research. Ask your mom.
Thanks for a sane, well sourced video about the Younger Dryas.
I really love your discussion of the quality of the data. as a psychologist and oncologist (cancer dock) the quality of the data has vastly changed my opinion of many topics . is it better to deal with fate which is unchangeable or to struggle against it even if the way with blind faith? I think this is an important question in view of the current fascist current, threatening to drown the United States and the environmental catastrophe, which is already underway.
Everyone knows the Goa'uld did it. Or maybe the ancients.
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Snaky little buggers! Death to the Goa'uld!
Or the Germans would have us believe
I see you are a man of culture as well
kree shok shova!
Hey Milo....
The mammoths and mastadons living on islands have neither the territory nor the numbers to maintain a population in the face of both changing climate and human predation. It is logical to surmise that once humans came to these islands, it was simply a matter of time before the population of mammoths became unable to sustain itself.
Unlike the plains of North America where there were millions of animals roaming millions of square miles of territory with the time and numbers to maintain a healthy population. And you have to remember, it was not only the mammoths and ground sloths that took a hit.....there were dozens of other massive species that all disappeared at the same time.
Attributing the extinction of millions of animals, strictly to a relatively small population of humans doen not make sense.
Their extinction is definitely not a human activity.
Recently we have similar event involving Reindeers; Search:
Over 200 Reindeer Have Been Found Dead in Svalbard, Because of Climate Change
The clues are in the article:
The food shortage, the ecologists believe, was brought about by temperatures in the Arctic. This results in higher rainfall during Winter, which freezes on the ground, producing a hard, thick layer of ice. Usually, the reindeer can dig through the snow to reach the vegetation underneath, but the ice layer is impenetrable, so the reindeer starve.
In addition, warmer weather can result in a longer breeding season. That sounds good, but in Winter that results in greater competition for food, and taking greater risks for food, climbing the sides of mountains to reach higher vegetation. And the weakest animals are less likely to survive. That means the older ones die first, but so do the very young.
This mean Mammoths might be vulnerable to the same rain-ice forming process.
Remember the release of excessive water pour into the ocean? This might mean a lot of rain, sudden humid climate in one day- but because the process of the End of the glacial is not finished - in the next day - very abrupt cold changes that freeze all of that moisture - making the land impenetrable ice field.
And the YD boundary is black. Meaning this indeed may be a layer left of rotting vegetation - a humid condition can attribute to rotting, but also if it rains and all of a sudden waves of cold weather freeze that vegetation - it can preserve it even green for the next spring, where it will rot - again in humid conditions.
Finally, thank you. People seem to forget half of the world’s megafauna went extinct, not just a couple of mammoths. That’s millions ad millions of individual animals!
Overhunting by human is the only explanation that does make sense for the extinction of Pleistocene megafauna. Even low levels of human hunting would have had catastrophic impacts on slowly reproducing large mammals. Migration routes would have been disrupted because humans would be ambushing whole herds. Evidence suggests extinctions occurred at different times at different sites, indicating humans and no other variables were wiping megafauna populations out.
@@markgelbart5889
Highly unlikely, sir.
Mark Gelbart 75% of all mammals died during that time. No thanks
Good video. Such a relief to watch a video where the presenter isn't shoving his personality in your face.
The Bølling-Allerød warming is named after to places in Denmark: *Bølling Sø* is a lake in Jutland that was drained in 1870 and used for peat. The *Tollund Man* , a bog man, was found there. *Allerød* is a small town on Zealand, north of Copenhagen, where there used to be a brickyard that used clay from a nearby claypit, a the pit whith deposits from the period .
Denmark was partly coveret by the ice sheet 20 000 years ago, but was ice free tundra and park tundra during the Bølling-Allerød and younger dryas.
Thank you for spreading this information
I just wanted to mention to you that I don't always leave a long comment but I do ALWAYS leave a comment and a thumbs up because I believe it helps with youtube's recommendations to others. And your videos definitely should be recommended. I love the way you present us with the most widely accepted theory and then include other various held theories. Like I said 'great video'.
1. We're in an interglacial period of ice retreat: The last ice age hasn't ended, we're still in it.
2. St. Lawrence*
If this is the case bring carbon credits is a waste of money
The same thought crosses my mind everytime I hear somebody say "the end of the last ice age". I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Chas Maravel . End time are definitely more fun than singing “ How great thou art” with glazed eyes and idiot grins.
@Chas Maravel The Pleistocene/Quarternary will not end until earth emerges from the a splinter arm of the Milky Way through which we have been passing for the last 2.8 million years. So, roughly a million years to go.
James Stripling . There is one surety in life, everyone’s always trying to get your money.
Well said. I'm familiar with the theories you presented, and I think you did a masterful job presenting them. ✌️💫
If I was hunting for food, I would likely have gone after smaller animals first. That would mean young mammoths. If they had the almost 2 year gestation period like elephants, killing the young would certainly result in decreased populations.
I would say though you wouldn't be hunting for just yourself, but for a large group, so you'd go for an adult that can feed more. Unless you have a taste for baby elephants, but practically wise, you'd go for a bigger one to feed a group of people.
But...that still hinders the young that are still feeding from mom, or alone, as in the last few.
@@Rhaenarys I think it is a more practical issue. Wouldn’t it be easier to kill, say, 3 baby mammoths as opposed to 1 large mammoth? Do they know how large the groups were? Because a baby mammoth was still quite large and could feed a good amount of people. You could be right…I’m just thinking out loud.
Makes sense to me & something I had not considered, thanks.
The smaller animals breed more often & mature earlier.
Animal remains in middens show that larger fauna were killed first and the size gradually reduces over time. When the tribe gets to the bunny soup stage, they move on to a new site where there’s more big game to hunt.
Yeah if you think about, wolf's, big cats and orca all go for young, weak and old pray. It's easier to get the kill, not a 100% success rate but still a higher chance of success.
It took me the whole video to realize the relevance of the mountain maybe I’m still wrong but I never even stopped to think how cold it is in the mountains. This man just perpetuated himself getting colder just to teach us bout the younger drias respect.
Words are tough, eh?
Oh, another Russian troll! Literally! Wtf youtube
The tundra and windswept pines indicate that he's just at tree level. Probably about 10,000-11,000 feet ASL.
I certainly enjoy your videos, Stefan. Differing viewpoints and a wealth of ideas are critical to learning, and your ideas are really appreciated.
It must be so frustrating to make these well thought out and researched videos only for half the comments to be pseudo intellectual crap about Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock
I really enjoyed the longer video and I learned something new because I had never heard of the younger dryas.
Thanks! There are corners of the internet that are obsessed with this time period. They believe, despite the evidence, that this was the time of Atlantis.
@Andrew Cannon I think what you are more interested in - is the psyche of those ancient people. Those people have shaped even through the distance of that much time - our worldview, our thinking, our imagination. They sure build out of stone - for you to get in touch with them in a sense. And through psyche - we can travel in time.
@Stefan Milo What everyone refers to Atlantis was Indonesian Plateau which if you look was above sea water level during YD and not chain of islands like today . Atlantis stories as told by egptians are not make up stories af .
@@Q_QQ_Q There is zero evidence that anyone in Egypt ever told stories about Atlantis. As far as anyone knows it was just a parable made up by Plato.
@@brucetucker4847 twisted , politicized but not entirely false .
I commend your deep probing of issues and coherent synthesis of evidence, all of which takes our research view to the next level. Well done and thanks for making such a significant contribution to such a challenging discipline as anthropology.
You're definitely an underrated youtuber. Best wishes to you!
16:41 Thank you for calling Smilodon a Sabretooth cat.
I worked with endangered birds in Hawaii, and my overall impression is that the Pacific islands are great evidence for the ability of humans to cause extinctions; however, many extinctions were probably due to rats that people brought, rather than over hunting. Lowland clearing was another major cause (the land became very highly populated -- most islands in Hawaii have fewer people now than 800 years ago).
For the megafauna puzzle, this all argues that overhunting is too simplistic.
In the Americas, many species went extinct that probably were not hunted at all (e.g., cormorants, rails, pygmy owls).
I do not think that Clovis Man can be convicted on the available evidence. He probably should be out on bail, as he's not a flight risk or a threat to the community. However I'm sure he knows more than he has revealed.
Rats did not kill Mammoths
@@johnpetrakis379 lmaoooo
Cats killed off bird species, not rats!
This might be slightly unrelated but I find it interesting how the melting of the giant ice sheets following the Younger Dryas may provide a more scientific explanation as to why so many cultures have flood myths. Besides the fact that most major civilizations formed on the banks of rivers and seas placing them in the path of regular floods, the fact that catastrophic glacial lakes would break through ice dams and flood massive areas more dramatically than any "bad season" on the Euphrates may help explain the prevalence of flood myths in religions across the world. If anyone managed to survive these glacial flood pulses, it would certainly be a story worth telling!
Also, even if water rose slowly after these pulses, it would still cause bands of people to abandon their usual lands and move into places potentially occupied by other groups. The creation myths of places around the Persian gulf sometimes feature fish humans or creatures emerging from the water. This seems reasonable to me considering that part of the world was critical to homo sapiens and, during the ice age, would have been habitable land. However, once sea levels began to rise, the Persian gulf would have been slowly turned into wetlands, swamps and eventually a fully formed gulf. The people living there certainly would have been forced out at some point but not before their attempts at adapting were proven futile. They would then move into higher, dryer regions and encounter the people who would eventually write them into their stories.
But these are just my theories.
I think that is right
I don’t think you need a mass flooding event. Any seasonal flood could be the source of the story, a recurring event such as flooding would have great storytelling power.
I wouldn't be surprised if ancient stories about sea levels rising quick enough over a few generations that large areas of land need to be abandoned.
Question is, since river civilizations are prone to flooding anyways, how could we ever know for sure? It'll only ever be idle speculation.
Great job Stefan.
Thanks man!
Yooooooo Milo from miniminuteman just shouted u out. Never fanned over anyone on the internet but u said it best and first about the younger dryas and with this graham Hancock Netflix shat out now more ppl will look this up so Hopefully ppl will see past the billshat and find you for some knowledge
23.02 , lmao 😂
6 . “None of them died and there still living amongst us “
I really wasn’t expecting that , thanks for the laugh 😂
A very overlooked hypothesis. These old crusty professors are just not open to new ideas amirite? ;)
So cool to see you in the PNW.. that's my neck of the woods! I love listening to your videos during my walks through the high desert:)
Rather 1 agrees or disagrees, it's always good to hear other sides of the story. Especially when presented as well as this. Great job Sir
Regarding megafauna extinction and the hunting hypothesis: The only megafauna to survive into modern times (elephants, rhinos, etc) are located in Africa and Asia, which are also the regions that had large populations of early hominids. One theory I've heard is that long periods of exposure to hominids that were hunters but less adept than homo sapiens, such as homo erectus, selected for animals that can handle coexistance with hunter-gatherer humans. They kinda coevolved with us, like cheetahs and gazelles coevolved. Whereas, once we spread enough to find megafauna who hadn't evolved to withstand hunting from homo erectus etc, they struggled to deal with the skilled, efficient hunting patterns of homo sapiens. (Neanderthals and Denisovans also were probably too skilled for many megafauna, too.) There's an optimal challenge level that causes natural selection, if the challenge is too great, none of the individuals are able to handle it so there's no one to select for. Kind of like if you have a plague that wipes out 60% of the population, the survivors will be more resistant to that disease, but if it wipes out 100% of the population, then they just go extinct. (Even if it left a few survivors, they could easily wind up dying out from challenges that normally aren't a major threat to the species, or fail to find mates when reproductively ready, or have severe enough inbreeding suppression that they die out.)
I know this is complicated 😔 but Randall Carlson has done so much of the work on this 🤔
IKR, pretty frustrating to see so much data missing.
I was hoping someone said this.
college professors steal others hard work all the time. its the biggest complaint of post graduate students.
Him and graham are absolutely all over this , love them two.
Randall and the guys also laugh their asses off at the thought that humans with Spears wiped out all the megafauna in the Americas
In so glad that I fell asleep with my phone in my hand. Because I did so, I woke up to this video and have now found this amazing channel! I've found some of my favorite channels by pressing random videos in my sleep. Great way to find exceptional ones, like this one! Lol. I'm excited to get watching all the previous videos, and to see what a coming next.
Also, I just had to point out that I pressed, Subscribe, as soon as I heard the view point on "evil archeologists" supposedly hiding evidence of our past, to supposedly protect their thesis and $50,000 salary. Lol. It's incredibly sad how far and few in between it is to find any logic on this subject, anymore. Thank you for being one of the sane ones.
www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-38089-y
cosmictusk.com/younger-dryas-impact-hypothesis-bibliography-and-paper-archive/
have fun catching up!
I just did this same exact thing! Badass
Your production skills are really top-notch this time around.
The pyramid mammoth timeframe blew my mind. I had no idea.
Admittedly I only learned about the term Younger Dryas from reading Graham Hancock. I really enjoy all of his books. I also really enjoyed your video and I will look forward to other videos you make.
My PhD is in physics and my field is fusion reactors. I think we have the same experience that most documentaries are crap. I only watch documentaries made by scientists such as yourself who are not only experts in their fields but also good at presenting the science. I also like watching seminars. As long as the words are coming from a scientist's mouth I will listen.
If you only watch documentaries made by scientists then you have only one perspective. Do yourself a favor and enjoy watching some UnchartedX videos on the evidence for advanced stone cutting.
That a very narrow minded approach
Im a astronaut and a super model, i watch Stefan for tips on hat fashions.
Evidence of meteor impact in Greenland recently, backs up the theory of a North American Meteor strike from 12,000+ years ago, caused a sudden thaw, raising sea levels 400 ft and then caused a mini ice age from the event blocking out the sun for a period of time, almost causing a human extinction level event. Plato wrote about the sinking of Alantis and the Great Floods are thought to be related to this event, interesting stuff. Have a nice day.
I know this is an older video. But it's the third I've watched in two days. Your lectures are nice. They are college professor level lectures... just well presented and based on research. Very nice, sir; a new subscriber for you. :)
Never stop making videos, Stef. You’re a treasure.
Stefan: have you considered the alignment of the many oval-shaped scallops that are referred to as the Carolina Bays? They all seem to point to a location that was covered by ice at the time they were formed. The earth is also raised around their boundaries indicating impact.
Let me help you. Once again dating work done on the Carolina Bays tell us they were not formed during the Younger Dryas, they do not align as claimed and are in fact aligned with local wind patterns.
Antonio Zamora only places it with the proposed Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis as he needs it to further his frankly insane hypothesis. Nothing, literally nothing places their formation to the time frame of the Younger Dryas.
This makes much more sense than blaming primitive hunters in their DOZENS killing off the mega fauna.
it was probably a mix of the two tbh
Did you not watch the video ? He thinks there is a clear correlation between the arrival of human hunters and mass extinction on different continents. Climate and humans likely caused it.
@@infinitemonkey917 And I, as someone who knows the size of a beef carcass and how many it can feed and for how long, have expressed my thoughts on the matter. Aren't you supposed to be in a room with hundreds more of you trying to write Shakespeare?
@@Leftatalbuquerque Then explain the decline of mega-fauna on every continent sequentially correlated to the arrival of humans. Explain the massive kill sites where entire herds were driven off of a cliff. Knowing the size of a cow carcass doesn't make you an expert. Also, it wasn't all driven by direct predation. Humans out competed other animals for the same resources driving them to less suitable areas.
@@Leftatalbuquerque and gee that Shakespeare comment was really cute. Did you drop the mic after that ? Are we in a rap battle or dance off ?
Thanks for a really good resume of the Younger Dryas, and for giving the UK a mention... most don't.
Look up island gigantism. Moa were large land birds with only the eagles as prey animals. They also lasted until humans showed up. The same is true of Madagascar with the giant lemur and Elephant bird. (Jason and the Argonauts) it’s thought that the egg of the elephant bird inspired the story of the giant bird that they had to fight off.
Maybe it's not only humans, but also the evolution of other species that were quicker, faster, smarter or just had more endurance than the megafauna. In our legends and myths of the past, the "giants" and megafauna are always tougher than puny species of the current day, but if you look at the kinematics of some of those bigger predators and prey, they're just not as maneuverable as the species dominating, today.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn, for certain, that humans had a big impact on the extinction of megafauna, but those species are also slower and less agile than the species that replaced them. Maybe the giant sloths were JUST quick enough to give a giant cave bear or dire wolf or smilodon a bad time, but were no match for a pack of more modern wolves. Just making up examples, here.
But I'm just a guy sitting in a La-Z-Boy.
I think he knows what is island gigantism lmao
Just read an article about Madagascar: the first people on the island lived along side the megafauna for 2,000 years, but then agriculture started and it went extinct.
@@nmarbletoe8210 Paradise Lost is habitat lost.
Not only was over hunting a cause leading to the extinction of the passenger pidgin it occurred simultaneously with the felling of the forest that they depended upon. Clear cutting for farms felled their nesting and feeding grounds.
Well people will always do what they must to survive. In ever increasing numbers more wild lands fall to the plow the mines the cities… it seems paradise is outnumbered.
The Wrangle Island mammoth population seems to be poster child for the isolated population of large animals you've mentioned. They were apparently suffering from heavy in breeding which seemed to have cause a loss in hearing and other stuff. And around 2000 BC the population succumbed to their genetic problems.
Thank you so much for all your time and effort, Stefan. This was a very well-constructed and informative video. Thanks again.
The Willamette Valley in central Oregon State is dotted with huge erratics that may have traveled hundreds of miles
Mark 10:10
These beads were formed in a similar process found in an arc welder shop, known as plasma magnetic Z-pinch, is an implosion process able to bind air born dust into beads and at the cosmic scale birth to a planet. The beads found on a welder’s work bench contains the air born molecular dust particles of vaporized metal mixed with air born dust. Those in 10:10 were made of air born (more precisely electric field captured and charge distributed) materials shortly before electric arc strikes during a close encounter from an astroid. All Astro bodies, planets, comets and astroids have one thing in common, they are electrically charged at a cosmic scale ie very energetic. Such electric energy exchange can cause global storm, tidal, seismic, temperature extremes, deluge and plasma discharge. People in our past associate those astroids and comets as bad luck visitors. They don’t need to hit earth to offer catastrophe.
Tunguska 1908 an astroid vaporized in mid air by self disintegration out is its own electrical stress without touch down have proof Astro bodies earth alike are electric charged that caused that entente.
This is a great channel. Mazza's artwork is great, and brings your discourse to life. Excellent collaboration.
Thanks! Very well explained. I need to see what happened with the 22,000 year old footprints in Texas. It’s great to have so much information.
White Sands New Mexico, but a camp was found from that time in Texas down near Austin.
Another thoughtful balanced perspective. I really enjoy you being a sceptic and being willing to follow the science even when it questions conventional wisdom. I shall contue to enjoy your videos!
I think a caveman or bigfoot left the refrigerator door open.
One factor that is almost never considered by archaeologists is that fact that when humans arrived in a new area, they took control of the fire regimen away from lightning. Timing, extent, and severity of fires were different with profound effects on most existing ecosystems. Some disappeared, others were more or less changed into something different. This had to have had an effect on animals dependent on those systems. This might be worth a video. A good starting place would be Stephen Pyne, who distinguishes between First (lightning) Fire and Second (anthropogenic) Fire. According to Pyne, we're now in the era of Third (industrial) Fire.
See: www.amazon.com/s?k=Stephen+Pyne&i=stripbooks&qid=1575495699&ref=sr_pg_1
Fascinating. I'll check the guy out. Thanks! :)
"The Science is settled!!!" Science is never settled...
The settled thing is called religion.
Depends. Science needs to work on certain proven/working assumptions, otherwise it's all guesswork, invalidated simply by saying stuff isn't settled.
e.g. why not throw the entire work here out of the window since you could say the science of carbon/radiometric dating isn't settled?
Unless its covid.
@@datsunlambchops4624 ok troll
@@datsunlambchops4624 literally a Russian troll. Fok yourself
A balanced and reasoned approach. Great job telling everything in a way that a lay population can easily follow what you're saying.
Love the Stormy Kromer-style cap, as well as the signature mic!
Also, the giant ground sloth is one of the most awesome mammals to ever exist.
Yeah I wish some of these animals were still around.
Be real hard on the garden. Who's going to move it?
I like your approach keeping things close to the vest and referencing legitimate scientific research. Would like to hear your take on the precision artifacts found in Egypt. Legitimate manufacturing and engineering experts claim technology more akin to what we have today would be necessary to make most of these items. Archeologists who are not expert in any way in the manufacture of precision items seem to stonewall this notion with a blanket denial. Notice I did not mention hiding, conspiracy theories, Atlantis or aliens, but there is an elephant in the room. My background is engineering controls for machines that incorporate precision parts and make or measure precision parts. In my opinion no one has yet come close to figuring out when and how these artifacts were made.
tell me more
lol pls
The main problem with the Younger Dryas, named after an arctic plant, was not the drop in temperature. But the drop in rainfall. When I first studied this period, I used the mnemonic "dry-ass".
Before the Younger Dryas wheat was being domesticated in the south of Turkey. But the settlements died out because there was no longer enough rainfall for wheat. Probably under 10 inches (250mm) per year. Later, after the Younger Dryas, came the Holocene Climate Optimum, a warmer and wetter period, when wheat was again domesticated.
Today in Syria, near Palmyra, the steppe horizon, a thin layer of salt, is about 10 inches deep. Hardly anything grows. There was an intermittent stream less than a yard (meter) wide that flowed under a bank about 6 feet ( 2 meters) tall. On inspection, you could see that the bank was composed of alluvium.
Alluvium is typically made up of a variety of materials, including fine particles of silt and clay and larger particles of sand and gravel, indicating a wet and warm period at some time in the past, when the stream was possibly 65 feet (20 meters) wide and at least 6 feet deep. Ten years ago, most of the river bed was filled with windblown sand.
The site has been modified to make way for a landfill site for solid waste (garbage).
Though the Younger Dryas was the last gasp of the Eemian glacial period, there have been many other cooling episodes since 10,000 years ago. Warm periods also, of which the Holocene Climate Optimum was probably the most dramatic.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum
Just found Stefan recently. Catching up on his back catalogue. My takeaway from this video: Stefano hates the impact hypothesis.
j/k
Scientists tend to dislike pseudoscience
Had to go back to “none of them died ... and they’re still living amongst us “! Shame on those who criticise this guy’s “turgid delivery “, it’s fine by me and many others! This guy has humour, something lots of history guys and girls lack in spades 🙂
Most independent content creators are in a rush to crank out the volume. It's good to see someone put in some effort. You had to be quick to catch that #6 None of them died...
Lol you wrote "turgid".
i have only ever known that word to be used once before, in a movie, Lol.
where it meant erect.
tee hee tee hee
@@annjones5201 turgid then helped the human race during The Younger Dryas 😉😉
@@grantmarshall3026
Wow, that was a FAST reply!
im guessing you are in ireland?
i am in Canada 🌞
Stefan Milo is AWESOME!
@@annjones5201 Stefan is a good spud as we say In Ireland 🇮🇪! My grandfather spent his early years and young adulthood in Canada, and was in the Canadian Royal Air Force, and my ex wife has an aunt there. Canada is a vast country as you know, and us Irish are quick in reply as we’re awfully flirtatious 😂My grandfather married three times, I’ll stop at one divorce! The Younger Dryas persists in Canada, or so it seems in some parts. I’m a very old early modern human soon facing my 48th year on the planet! All joking aside though, it’s saddening that the permafrost is retreating, but who knows what fascinating objects lurk therein!! Greetings from Ireland by the way 🌞
When life gives you mammoths, make mammoth stew.
Bunny soup xD
Someone forgot to kill all the elephants!
@@ShamanKish So far.
I just watched Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix. I thought it was a kind of joke in the beginning and that they would circle back to the currently accepted theories and the scientific evidence behind them but it just kept going. Fancy theories about highly developed ancient civilizations that was wiped out by some great catastrophe, but not an ounce of evidence and he has to make huge leaps in logic to make his theory just the slightest bit believable. He keeps saying that "mainstream archeologists are just not willing to consider new theories" but does he let any of them explain why they do no believe his theories or present their scientific findings that support other theories - of course not. So thank you for making this. I needed to watch something like this to restore my faith in humans :)
This comment restored my faith in humanity and gave it to the next person. 😌
Also, this comment was posted by a human.
I appreciate your humor.
I really like your videos keep it up my man
So did the Hyborian Age (as depicted in the docudrama "Conan the Barbarian") precede the Younger Dryas? I think some more work needs to be done in this area. ;-)
For sure.
Was that between the time the oceans drank Atlantis and the rise of the sons of Aryas?
Its just fiction
Well, judging by the time we've been on Earth as a species it could have happened at least 3 times and we would have almost no evidence depending on how far into the past it occured (the Hyborian Age is typically placed sometimes around 30k BC if I'm not too mistaken).
@@IrritatorXleXretour Its called Gravettien already,no need for new names.And they worshipped steroids and crom.
Interestingly, Michael Shermer recently conceded that Graham Hancock was correct about some of his assertions.
well he had to, it was finally proven after impact remnants were found in syria and thousands of rogan-people were probably bombarding him with that when it first came out.
what he said was that he hadn't given the man a fair shot, not that he was/is correct.