South Australia and the Pre British Colonies

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  • @aussiefan354
    @aussiefan354 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have suspected for a while know that there were pre British settlements living in Australia before Captain Cook. Thanks for posting

  • @michelleiversen6293
    @michelleiversen6293 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great find ! The cockatoo

    • @glenncaldwell344
      @glenncaldwell344 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kazz found that. Yes it was a great find

  • @michelleiversen6293
    @michelleiversen6293 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    With such a small population it is staggering how many stone churches through out the Clare , Rhynie and Barossa Valleys.

  • @michelleiversen6293
    @michelleiversen6293 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have a facsimile book of 1836 to 1838 of this Gazette

  • @michelleiversen6293
    @michelleiversen6293 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There are brick tunnels underneath connecting all those old buildings.

  • @yuromacviva3695
    @yuromacviva3695 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    another good australian video well done glen

  • @Sharon56-h4t
    @Sharon56-h4t 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for this video, it's not easy finding things regarding south Australian history, surprisingly little.

  • @RachealRichardson
    @RachealRichardson 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Matthew Flinders was the first to circumnavigate the continent in 1803, and used the name 'Australia' to describe the continent on a hand drawn map in 1804. Prior to this, the continent was commonly referred to as "New Holland," a name given by Dutch explorers in the 17th century. "Terra Australis" (Latin for "southern land") was a term used in European maps and literature to describe hypothetical land in the southern hemisphere, long before the continent was fully explored. The first time that the name Australia appears to have been officially used was in a despatch to Lord Bathurst of 4 April 1817 by Governor Lachlan Macquarie.

  • @leewarry8641
    @leewarry8641 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cockatoo,s are also in the Philippines & new genie not just Australia & the east India co traded all over there . Derek Harthold was the first to land in Australia in wa .met my wife in wallaroo copper was mined there in early 1800 ,s .walaroo ,monta & kidina is called the copper triangle.

    • @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431
      @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wallaroo... One of the contributors to my work lives there!

    • @davidn3843
      @davidn3843 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes! The Lesser Sulphur Crested Cockatoo is found through parts of SE Asia. They often appeared in European paintings, that pre-dated European settlement of Australia.
      My ancestors settled in Adelaide from 1839. It is well documented that there were only 5 official buildings on the Adelaide Plains upon their arrival. My ancestors were shepherds from the Salisbury Plains in Wiltshire. They shared the Thebarton Plains with the indigenous tribes as they tended their flocks. Among my ancestors' records, there is no mention of pre-British inhabitants, except for the indigenous people.
      I reckon it's a bit of a long bow to draw these conclusions of Middle Eastern connections. French and Portuguese, maybe.
      Blessings and kindest regards David from Melbourne.
      🌏
      🙄☝️

    • @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431
      @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidn3843 David thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it. The Sulphur crested cockatoo referenced in video is from late middle ages. But yes it could have been from SE Asia. Though it predates European expeditions to SE Asia.
      If your ancestors did settle in the Adelaide Plains and its documented and the official buildings were constructed after 1830, then we need to revise the theory of Adelaide - and then focus on the most likely location of Port Lincoln which I think is a certainty. Possible runner ups would be Victor Harbour and Port Adelaide. The question remains then how did George Strickland Kingston design buildings of a wide varied nature in Adelaide - well beyond the typical capacity of an architect today, let alone then?
      Also even if your family was there at that time, it does not mean they had an understanding of how a specific farmhouse was built - who originally owned it and how the land was transferred. It would have been a very wide area and any form of disruption would have easily overridden any memory of a few settlers in a specific locale. You can see this in your local workplace right now or in your street - you may not know if a major death occurred or a conspiracy or a fraud existed in any detail, if its 2 degrees of separation away from you.
      Thanks again. I get few leads from this and I will note your comments on Thebarton and rule that site out.
      Please note that I have had hearsay from people outside the alt.history community clearly stating pre-British settlement around the area - which is a very wide area.

  • @flamingstag2381
    @flamingstag2381 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I understand ur q,s & interest but ur title is very misleading !!! quarries & stonework r very well documented (big fail) no doubt there was interbreeding 1829 moorundie Sturt noted 2 aboriginal boys with blonde hair. but their is a big q for me @ Murray bridge in the parklands where the paddle boats trade a contract earthmover told me of his 1979 experience when he graded the top off a cemetery revealing masses of graves council had no records he was paid standby wages for 10 days while he watched cops & researchers investigate he was told they were FRENCH MILITARY ( blue uniforms with gold braid ) & FRENCH coins over their eye sockets leather belts shoulder straps & boots & buckles further proved the origin the situation was kept secretive & as he completed the rest of his contract.for a further wk a community was discovered men-women-children & 1 clergyman with white lapels on his black robe & a FRENCE bible & a silver chain & cross. further toward the existing hotel 2 mass grave sites of aboriginals were discovered mostly burnt with large amounts of charcoal in the pits SO MY Q IS HOW DID THEY SET UP SHOP WHAT WAS THE DEAL AFTER ENCOUNTER BAY ? WHY DID EYRE PLANT WILLOWS AT MOORUNDIE FROM NAPOLEONS GRAVE ? ETC ETC STREET NAMES. GOV CONTRACTS ?

    • @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431
      @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Apologies for the late reply. This is a very interesting lead. Very interesting. I was hazarding a guess that we were dealing with west gaelic peoples. Not just French. If you can provide more information, then I can investigate further. The issue I have of course is the amount of time to pull together all the basics of History. even simple ideas such as defining "French". Are there factions as noted in the Napoleonic wars? etc.. This may hint at people feeling the need to leave and start a break-away society. Or maybe they were cementing a colony under the radar for Napoleon. There seems to be breadcrumbs alluding to that. Once again aologies, I must have missed this comment and its a good one. thank you

  • @waynevanrensburg8037
    @waynevanrensburg8037 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lovely Sunday morning watch. Some interesting points certainly worth further investigation. Cheers

  • @michelleiversen6293
    @michelleiversen6293 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My family on most lines came through Pt Adelaide 1840s onward. My mother tells of the Afghan / indigenous families out at Silverton. I agree, they and the Chinese have long histories here.

    • @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431
      @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can imagine that freedom seeking chinese communities are unknown.

    • @reesedundee8525
      @reesedundee8525 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      so did my family from spain and another half from germany, i have a suitcase full of old photos from the 1800s into the early 1900s and i need to figure out where to send them to to have them archived. like old hard card photos black and white. we owned munyaroo and horselakes station in broken hill after failing finding gold in victoria.

  • @Hookstergram
    @Hookstergram 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video mate. I also agree there was pre sellers in SA

    • @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431
      @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes its hard to actually pin down someone that can make a statement saying as such. I have come across people saying that they have spoken of people with knowledge of the pre-settlers, but trying to find them is hard. you would think with all the members on these groups and chats , that someone would be interviewed by a youtuber saying as such. But alas no one has offically come forward as yet.

    • @Hookstergram
      @Hookstergram 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431 actually I was told this story by a aboriginal man who never used the net. Everything you said he said to men. He was a real witchdoctor aka (father foot) he performed a ritual on me that they performed 40k years ago. But the story of Afghanistan people is true. And to add to this.. the Afghanistan Princess who was brought here in that time. Have you heard of this?

    • @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431
      @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Hookstergram No I have not heard it. Maybe you can elaborate and maybe we can do a post or a quick interview for Mudflood Australia Group and see if we get any feedback?

    • @aussie_carnivore
      @aussie_carnivore 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431great video.
      it’d be great to find some genuine indigenous history regarding the integration of foreign visitors to au prior to the first fleet arriving. the euro /eastern visitors must’ve done a better job assimilating with the indigenous than the english you would hope.
      there is a possibility the indigenous were wiped out by the English to hide the truth about the country being “founded” hmm hmm lol.
      maybe the indigenous liked the trading and inclusion in the economic dealings prior to the “english founding.”
      all speculation. who knows

    • @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431
      @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@aussie_carnivore I completely agree and i see evidence of deep assimilation. It is a delicate subject as aboriginal australians are rightly so - trying to reclaim their heritage. And should do this as they see fit. However I can imagine pre-british assimilating well and there being intermarriage and some cultural exchange. Once the entire area was invaded, I suspect that the indigenous were so overwhelmed, they could not retain all the information of: what happened, who arrived, and when. it would have been significantly mashed together. So in that wise, I suspect that the pre-british arrivals were probably not that much earlier than the British, maybe some random arrivals from late medieval up to 1700s, then late 1700s greater arrivals. Then iinvasions starting from around 1803 in various parts of Australia wiping out all cultures including pre-british and indigenous. The orphans would have been retained Some women maybe. Not sure... But then we would need to find the source documents from the old countries. Which is another exercise

  • @zerogravity8465
    @zerogravity8465 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The Aboriginal language in South Australia is derived from the Portuguese language,,,, all the railway stations are named after aboriginal words those aboriginal words are Portuguese words my great great grandfather write the constitution of South Australia maybe get together and I'll tell you some amazing stories

    • @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431
      @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Interesting idea. Though the Portuguese language comes from a root language family. Can you give me an example?

    • @zerogravity8465
      @zerogravity8465 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431 All of the aboriginal names of all the railway stations and towns are Portuguese words,, when I explained aboriginal words and their meanings,,, John Travolta asked me who had been teaching me the Portuguese language

    • @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431
      @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zerogravity8465 You will need to give an example

  • @mnj640
    @mnj640 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Medieval?? Mate you build with what you find. Those builders back then would have built what they built in Britain. Of course it's gonna look vaguely medieval. The industrial age wouldn't have been here when they landed so they probably constructed buildings the old way

    • @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431
      @mudfloodaustraliaandrebuil5431  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Makes sense.. Now its just a matter of determining timing and perhaps the place of origin of the settlers.

  • @downtoearth1950
    @downtoearth1950 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Pre British Colonies? maps with English names? Bit of a fairy tale 😊