HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën - Guide 171
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- The HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën, a unique cruiser/coastal defense ship/colonial gunboat of the Royal Netherlands Navy, is today's subject.
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
I know this isn't a question but i'm just going to leave this here...
G E K O L O N I S E E R D
How practical do you think it is to have up-armored barbettes/turrets Vs. having a bit more armor on the rest of the ship? Not to throw shade on my forefathers, but it seems like having bigger holes in your ship's hull is more detrimental to your survival than having them in your guns when you're a lone ship like the De Zeven Provinciën.
@@Erdanya a shell coming thru your babette can ruin your whole day in a hurry. For a retelling of one ship that survived a barbette penetration, check out SMS Seydlitz at Dogger Bank. Many sources available including Drydock. Then think about how many records exists of ships returning home with holes in ther hull.
I already posted this on the comments but could the attack by the Dutch on its own ships count as one of the first air attacks on ships?
"The HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën, a unique cruiser/coastal defense ship/colonial gunboat..." Perhaps calling her a colonial defense ship may be an appropriate label. That aside, since they were cash strapped, did the Dutch go for a quality over quantity approach to her design? What was she intended to defend against at the time of her launch and/or commissioning? Could you also, in brief, elaborate on how she differed from the French and Portuguese avisos?
A ship designed by a committee. Avoided WW1 then sunk by both sides in WW2.
All things considered maybe the new name should have been the Prodigal Son
There where 2 more pantserschips both relegated to guardship dutys or Baracks
The slightly older Jacob van Heemskerck had slightly smaller main guns, 24 cm in stead of 28 cm of the zeven provincien , but had slightly more armour 2 morer 150 mm canons and 2 torpedo tubes. with the Marten tromp having 24 cm guns and just 4 150mm cananons.
Now imagine these 3 ships just pondering along behind the abda fleet they might be old but they do have a lot of firepower and armour to make some cruisers verry nervous.
@@marcusfranconium3392 my grandfather was a steeam engineer and also served as a scratch marine pioneer in the East Indies. He said those older coastal defense ships were all death traps and the wealthier officers (mostly nobility) had largely bought their way off of them. They were poorly staffed, and most of the competent fighting men were on the two newer cruisers and the destroyers.
@@420JackG I was talking about them as maintained and in service in a what iff scenario. . not as they where in the last decade , where they where largely decomisioned , turned in to trainers. mostley disarmed and even used as armour protection for the forts at the hoek van holland etc . If they where maintained ,modernised and staffed with out all the budget cuts of the 20s and 30s . they where still a threat to coastal landings. .
The older gun boats of the ijselmeer flotila and remaining river Gunboats of the Thor and wodan class. all served with merrit. and most of them where ww1 and some cases 70 years old.
"and the Medway was unfortunately much better guarded these days, which ruled out the other tried and true method of expanding the Dutch capital ship fleet"
(it would have been interesting to hear how the computer-generated-voice mutated the pronunciation of 'De Zeven Provincien')
mutated or mutilated?
@@Bird_Dog00 I went with mutated because it felt more 'virus themed'.
@@Kevin_Kennelly O , a chinesse virus joke :)
It may well have sounded "interesting", all the same, be glad we didn't.
The Google Translate text-to-speech feature gives an idea of how it would be mutated. Don't forget to click on the dutch pronounciation too.
translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=en&tl=nl&text=De%20Zeven%20Provinci%C3%ABn
On a sidenote: "Soerabaja" is just the Dutch spelling for "Surabaya", with the same pronunciation.
Yes, in general Dutch pronunciation is not that far from English for quite a few words.
The spelling system just is a bit different.
@@rogerwilco2 Things get tricky with words like, say, "kous" ("long sock") vs. "kuis" ("chaste"). Both can be transcribed to English as "kouse" (rhymes with "house"), except the former is pronounced by someone from, say, Texas, while the latter is pronounced by someone from Glasgow. In Dutch, the two sounds are both present and distinct from each other.
But, well, Indonesian placenames don't confront one with that particular issue. :)
More Dutch warships please. Well done on this one, very much enjoyed it.
In case you haven't seen them yet he's already made vids about the admiralen class destroyers and java class cruisers
@@theguyeverybodylikes9667 Had seen the Java class video but had missed the other. Thanks, will go hunting now!
He could do a video on the Battle of the Java Sea.
The Dutch subs might be a good video. If only to have one that doesn't end so badly.
@ that is correct. The gunboat in question, de HMS Johan Maurits van Nassau, was scuttled to prevent her from falling into German hands during an attempt to cross the North Sea to England.
"The Medway is much better guarded these days, preventing a tried and true method of obtaining ships." Lol
Dry humor only us history bluffs would get.
Dry humour is especially prized among naval historians.
Hey Drach, awesome video! Can you do one on (famous) dutch 'Fluyt' ships? I know you're probably covered in requests these days but they are really awesome as they changed sailing forever!
those are rather older than what he usually covers, and also primarily civilian trade ships rather than military vessels (though at the time they were built the lines were somewhat blurred as most merchantmen carried some weapons for self defense).
Drachinnifel uploads a video about a Dutch ship.
all dutch viewers: GEKOLONISEERD
????? Waar heb je het over met je gekoloniseerd. Ga ergens anders trollen.
Is this Geko talk to do with car insurance?
No it's a Dutchman trying to stop trolling by trolls stating gekoloniseerd i.e. colonized. Thinking I guess that any or all history about a topic like this is wrong.
@@gerhardris hoe bedoul je trollen wat is hier trollend aan het is een grap?
@@gerhardris wtf are you talking about this is just a joke the dutch meme communty has with history
i think a very interesting ship to review would be the USS Laffey (DD-724) of the Allen M. Sumner-Class.
Looks like in the end she did not sink after an allied Air Attack but while under tow by the Japanese to Balikpapan after hitting Djamoengan reef, about 60 NM east of Surabaya. Sinking site is located 5 NM north of this reef.
I do like learning about little-known ships from other nations.
It's always fascinating to me to see how many of these (what must have even been seen at the time) ancient ships were actually lingering on in WWII
Even in these strange times we live in, there is some certainty......... .
God ( he,she, them or it) save Drach’s channel !
(Elbow bump), stay safe and healthy.
In 30ties Netherlands a mutiny on Seven Provincies was kind of a taboo subject.
The Dutch had various Coast defense ships in the period 1890 to 1910, De Zeven Provinciën was the last of them. Most of the coast defense ships were designed for service in Dutch East Indies. The mutiny had various causes and the bombing was mistake, she wasn't meant to be hit. One of her predecessors survived as an auxillary till about 1985.
*[GEKOLONISEERD INTENSIFIES]*
Brilliant research and story telling as usual.
Damn, that is a good looking ship.
Its slightly older sister ,was a bit more balanced and slighly lighter armed with 9.4 inch guns. de zeven provincien was originaly inteded with 2x2 9.4 inch guns. a bigger improved version of the Jacob van heemskerck . that ship had 2 9.4 inch guns and 6 6 inch guns and a bit more armour + torpedos.
The Dutch just needed to reclaim the land between them and their colonies from their sea.
The Dutch conquering Central Europe, the Middle East, and the rest of Southeast Asia sounds hilarious.
@@falloutghoul1 Nah, that'd be too much hassle; a dam from Westkapelle through the Straits of Dover, through the Atlantic, around the Cape of Good Hope and from there straight to Java would be the way to go.
A route over the north pole perhaps?
@@falloutghoul1 nah fam we'll just build a giant land bridge from NL through the atlantic, around cape good hope, and through the indian ocean connecting to java
@@theguyeverybodylikes9667 Twee zielen, één gedachte! (zie boven)
A series on warships fail boats would be nice. Restrict it to ships sunk in their first battle or who never had a chance to inflict any damage.
@niels lund , Bismark and Yamato did fight in engagements, Notable with the Bismark blowing the Hood in half. The Yamato most likely sunk the USS Gambier Bay. I would consider in this series something more like Japanese aircraft carrier Shinano. Commissioned and sunk.
68 US Navy PCEs served during WW2. A few were also transferred to the RN. Not an insignificant number. Some continue to serve with the Philippine Navy. I would really appreciate a video about this type of vessel.
Pronouncement wasn't to bad. Impressive.
The Seven Provinces, in English, this name refers to the founding of the Netherlands in the 1600's. Seven provinces united in a rebellion against the papal nobility, the Cardinal of Utrecht would flee, and the revolution was won by protestants. Later more provinces where freed from roman rule, making the current Netherlands a collaboration of 11 provinces.
I've been waiting for this video for the better part of a year! So happy it's here, thanks Drach! And more videos about Dutch warships won't hurt anyone :D.
Great post thanks. The air attack that hit its mark (even though it was claimed as you correctly stated that the aim was to miss) was in my opinion a wake up call for the Navy, flying corps and army as well as politics to take aircraft serious. This for instance kicked off the need for AA gun twin Bofors 40 mm stabilized naval gun mount. Later put into mass production when the Dutch navy fled to Britain.
Do you have the book Dutch Warships of wwII by Henk van Willigenburg? The half minimum policy. The battle cruiser plan. Together with a new Zeven Provintieen cruiser. De Ruyter and Tromp class light cruisers. The excellent G Callemburg class destroyers. The 33 submarines especially the 0 21 class with schnorkel side ways firing torpedo that baged a U boat also having the short 40 mm Bofors aa gun in a watertight container. The Brinio, Floris, and Johan Maurits van Nassau class gunboats. And the excellent K1 class being in effect diesel driven fregats callen gunboats. Van Kinsbergen escort, planned sub chasers. MTB's several mine layers especially the Willem van der Zaan.
the main gun turret actually still exist until today, 1 of it is displayed in indonesian naval academy museum
The single voice in Dutch politics to clearly and outspokenly support the De Zeven Provinciën mutineers was the left-communist Revolutionary Socialist Party, whose leader Henk Sneevliet had been among the founders of what was to become the Indonesian Communist Party, and who was sentenced to five months prison term for hailing the mutiny as "the beginning of the anti-colonial revolution". Sneevliet's outspoken position was used in the aforementioned right-wing campaign. However, for his constituency - mainly left-leaning intellectuals, especially in the more cosmopolitan capital Amsterdam - the RSP raised a large and effective campaign with such slogans as: "From the Cell to Parliament", "Make Sneevliet the public prosecutor in the Second Chamber" and "I accuse" (a clear reference to Émile Zola's "J'accuse"). The campaign worked and the party won a single parliamentary seat, the only such success in its history, and thus got Sneevliet released from prison.
Nice post! Suggestions for future videos
1. Brennan torpedo system, installed in Malta, Cork Harbour, Thames river
2. Search lights - they figure into the description of many night actions - but on most pictures and models - they are not seen. ? where are they placed ? how were they powered? (arc light? incandescent?)
3. Training programs -ships are technically complicated - so how are crews rotated on and off once standing navies became common.
Searchlights were generally mounted on platforms on the superstructure or sometimes on the side of the funnel. I believe they used arc-lamp technology. See items 23 & 31 at commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parts_of_a_battleship_(Warships_To-day,_1936).jpg
Hi drach! Just a reccomendation but I would really like to see Spanish ships at the time of the Spanish-American War. Ships like the Infanta Maria Teresa and Pelayo would be a good start! Again, just a suggestion and keep up the good work uncle drach!!
Ship suggestion: Austro-Hungarian/Yugoslav monitor Bodrog/Sava.
@ That was the Lajta.
Could you maybe add the French Saint Louis class heavy cruisers to your list? Would love to hear about history of these, even if it will be in few years :)
I like this name; it sounds like a name fit for a Royal Yacht or flagship.
The name was originally used on the flagship of michiel de ruyter, the most famous admiral in Dutch history.
Had to bring up the Medway eh...
Remember Chatham! (The Dutch call it the raid on Chatham for obvious reasons).
Huh, this isn't the HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën I was expecting.
Well, we've had 8 ships with the name.
nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeven_Provinci%C3%ABn_(scheepsnaam)
The current one has been in service for nearly two decades:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_De_Zeven_Provinci%C3%ABn_(F802)
Aha! A new concept to use in Rule the Waves 2!
"It needs more Elan! FIT THE 14 INCH ON IT."
"Please sir, our ships can't take that much Elan!"
"DO IT!"
*Engineers cry as they bolt on the monster.*
Obviously a hard ship to keep down, being sunk by the Dutch, Japanese and Americans.
Oi! We hit it, but we didn't sink it!
- The Dutch.
Suggestion: I haven't found any video on YT about the incident in 1940 when the british seized four Swedish destroyers at the faroe islands. Could be something for you to do a vid on.
Interesting Drach - quite the tale with everything from compromise design to a mutiny!
One unique ship to review: USCGC Storis (WMEC-38) (1942-2007)
- Lead ship of Anti-German Greenland Patrol
-Shore party fought northernmost land battle by US armed forces vs. Edelweiss
-1st US Ship to make Northwest Passage
-Many rescues in Alaska Patrol through 2007
-Last operational US 3"/50 deck cannon
She reminds me a little bit of the Spanish cruiser Emperador Carlos V, which was similarly overgunned and could sail a very great distance. I wonder if she was designed with similar requirements in mind?
Probably. Spain also had some far out colonies. So range is critical.
Very interesting ship with a varied history. Thanks
as a dutch man, your pronounciation of Zeven was a bit short, the first E is a bit longer, but Rest wasn't too bad,
Nice to see our Navy represented :)
I'm impressed at the pronounciation at the name. Few know this, but the language of Dutch was actually developed during war, specifically so enemies like the Spanish and British couldn't plant spies among us or listen in, using glorious words such "Kinderstraatfeestvoorbereidingswerkzaamheden".
Good to see how far Drach got saying the name right. :-)
Excellent video, you always find these ship that no one has heard about.
This Ship was taught on our history lesson, its symbol of our fight against the discrimination by the dutch to our native sailor
"Join the Navy and see the World!" and then, ten years later: "Oh, I didn't mention 'eventually'?! My bad, sowwy!"
I really wonder if the crew was shifted during the cruise...
I always wondered what was the story behind this ship! It, like the old USS Oregon, was one of many old ships either sunk or repurposed during the early days of WW2 by the Japanese. I've often thought a good documentary could be made about the saving of ships, The Japanese seemed to have been good at it, The Italians saved several ships from sinking, The Americans saved all but two ships after Pearl Harbor, and The British raised and scrapped a whole fleet of scuttled German ships after WW1. Surely there is enough material to do something?
Drachinifel you should place a year behind the name as the name comes up a few times :)
Hey Drach,
As much as I like your videos, I knew about this ship beforehand, and most if not all of this information is freely available on Wikipedia. Do you have any further details about it?
In the video description I linked to a number of books and articles I drew the information from, which also contain further details I couldn't fit into 5 minutes :)
Well done sir. Can we get a history on HMS Canopus? The excellent video of the battle of Coronel you talked about the Canopus like we new her engineer was crazy, which I never heard before. Plus the ship seems to have had an interesting career, like most of the Royal Navy before the end of WWII.
I was playing Ultimate Admiral Dreadnought a couple days ago and was using a WW1 battlecruiser against three cruisers armed with 11” single gun turrets and though... “don’t think anyone’s ever used single-gun turrets in real life...”
Drach, thank you for your work. I've probably watched 10-20 of your vids in the last 24 hours. COVID being what it is.
FINALLY, 1 MORE EPISODE THEN WE KONGO CLASS VIDEO
Press like, get coffe, listen to Drach ;)
And get banned or keel hauled for drinking coffee and not tea or r XD
@@ttaibe A good US carrier can sail on steam generated by its coffee machines,
More Dutch Coastal Defense Battleships, please. :)
We sure did build some oddball ships in those times, guess that is what happens when you are left with mostly past glory and some stubborn Brits that refuse to give you a cheap means to get your fleet back in order :)
Plus with a commitee and government that was super stingy and can't afford even a single cent to fund her Navy😂.
Seriously tho, based of what I read the Dutch Navy had a pretty ambitious rearnament plan before WW2, with some planned BBs right? But they got almost no approval and fund from the government to go with it.
Was the colonies (my homeplace included) not profitable enough for them to spare some dime to the Navy?
@@hanselsihotang We had a government that believed we should be neutral and wouldn't really want to spend on the navy and ingored all the warnings people gave us leading into WW2.
@@Lintary which lead to you guys getting obliterated by the Japanese on the sea.
Battle of Java Sea was a pretty good fight, but the Dutch Colonial Navy got destroyed by a task group consisted of only cruisers and DDs, not even Battleships or CVs.
Japanese got it with such a cheap price.
The Dutch gov was too overconfident that her neutrality would be respected without showing any threatening power.
@@hanselsihotang Jep they failed to realize that in order to remain neutral you need to make it really appealing for whomever might want to come knocking not to come knocking.
@@Lintary yeah, that's the reason why the Swiss and the Swedes made it out alive and not the Danes or Dutch.
That, and they both didnt have urgent strategic value I guess.
Sunk twice in the same war and had a mutiny. A fairly luckless ship to put it mildly.
Sees a Dutch ship, by Drach = like
But also it's anogther very good video packed with nice facts and anecdotes!
I vote we name it a pocket pre-dreadnought
Can we get a video about the SMS Friedrich III or her class
I enjoyed this but she got a pretty big makeover including reduction of funnels
Ship Suggestion: The IJN Submarine I-58 (Goya)
In the intro there is a close in shot of a gun being fired and a bunch of debris flutters out from what looks to be a canvas cover where the gun enters the turret. I've seen it before in other videos. What is it? Shredded material from the cover?
Does that make her the first ship to be struck by air attack from three different countries?
Including her own?
Including her own.......has to put her in some sort of a one off category
Maybe? Probably not though.
Yeah the 'Including her own side' would have to be a condition as I would expect many Japaneese ships can hold the title of being attacked by combined allied airforces of many different nations.
Then again there are British ships which will have been attacked by German, Italian and Japanese sairforces (and possibly some even with Vichy French as well)
She was a pretty ship.
HMS nemesis next plz
is it me or does the sevenprovincien designed in the early 1900s a pint sized borodino class?
armour is about the same guns 1 inch smaller but only 2- 11inch 4-150 mm 10 - 75mm guns
and is just 19 meters shorter and 6 meters narower.
Makes me wonder if any other ships have been bombed by three different countries.
Ship suggestion: USS Patoka (AO-9)
Can I know the name of your epic intro music?
It really is very catch and really emphasizes the arrival of a mighty fleet of ships ready for war.
And have you discussed about some of the Russian Battleships? I want to know about the Gangut, and how did she fared in the hands of the Imperial Russian Navy and the Soviet Navy.
A quick course Dutch pronouncements or utter in a certain way, are in some of the comments below.
Indonesia is between the Pacific and Indian oceans. Mostly it's in the Indian.
So she was a coastal defence armoured heavy battle cruisers ...
in short the first real pocket battle ship.
So the Courageous class was no Fisher-type accident?
Mind blown.
Somewhere German pilots are grumbling about the lack of a chance to bomb this ship. Everyone else got a chance.
I'm not sure if that's an Q&A Question but are you planing on a video about the raid on St Nazaire? You heard of it right?
How about the Admiral Ushakov class?
Still a bit salty about Medway?
If HMS HOOD had been refitted. How would she have looked, and how different would the fight between her and Bismarck been. Also, what if Scharnhorst and her sister had been refitted with 15" gun... how much of a difference been with her raiding convoys, if any difference at all.
Light Gas Guns:
Which nations have researched them and have any countries navy's put them on a ship?
ti's the Ze with the A sound of later, ven with the e sound of end and Su with the U turn first U sound, y is they Y sound for the yen japanese curency, the last A is the Ah sound sura-baya
Is this the first Dutch ship Drac has reviewed?
No, he has done other Dutch ships before.
I know he's done a class of destroyers, not sure what else.
@@rogerwilco2 He did the Java class, as well. The destroyer class he covered is the Admiralen class. And while not a ship review, there is also the Raid on the Medway.
Hey, a five minute guide that is almost five minutes long. Are you OK, Drach?
I liked it. But I have gotten used to grabbing a drink to settle in an spend time watching "5 minute" videos.
The Dutch are sober straight forward people so he had nothing else to say about the Ship.
And not every ship has such an absurd story to tell as the Kamchatka
Is this his “in distress” code?
@@jamesfee1966 Lets heat up the tubes of our maritime radio's and wait for S.O.S. C.Q.D. or K.A.D.
@ Nah, I droped enough likes on his videos that he knows I love his stuff. ;-)
I wonder if fitting turbines rather than VTE were ever considered?
Dutch ships are complicated...more please🤣
Well, to quote my late mother-in-law, "It takes the Irish to beat the Dutch!". She said that frequently. I have no idea what she meant by it.
Something or other to do with the Glorious Revolution? William of Orange etc? Not sure how that'd work, or exactly what your relative would have precisely been referring to if that were the case - but it's the only history related guess I can think of currently.
Option B: maybe it is a tongue-in-cheek reference to both "Dutch Courage" VS famed Irish drinking stereotypes? Could it in other words, mean it takes the Irish to out-drink the Dutch? I know, it's a bit unlikely but not sure what her saying refers to.
Besides, everyone knows Mel Gibson can out-drink both :p
@@ThePalaeontologist Well, actually she was referring to a song from her youth. The word Dutch is often mis-used to refer to Germans, as in Pennsylvania Dutch.
@@matthewrobinson4323 Ah, well as I say I have no idea about what it was exactly about. Just my guesses at a curious saying (never heard it anywhere myself)
I'm aware that the word, "Dutch" is meaningfully similar to Deutsch, for a good reason. Something about a partial Germanic sphere of historical influence in the low countries?
I recall the channel "History with Hilbert" doing a good video or two about this topic.
e.g. The Netherlands, Holland and The Low Countries - The Difference
th-cam.com/video/R-VDmZ1t2Ik/w-d-xo.html
and
How to tell apart Danish, German and Dutch
th-cam.com/video/fMRCz2OjEMY/w-d-xo.html
The thumbs down is from a relative of one of the mutineers.
Wait, so the first naval air attack on a ship was by... the Dutch on it’s own ship?
Second attack by the Japense and the third by the Allies that must be a uniqium?
@@onsterfelijke She was uniquely build, so why stop there....she must've thought. And if submarines can sink more than once, why not she too?
Chuck, not C802
"And unfortunately the Medway was much better guarded these days."
"We showed those Froggies what's what at Camperdown, what what!"
In all seriousness, I had to pause the video at that point.
It's berontak time
Alternatively, you could just call the ship "The Seven Provinces"
You need to create a new outro theme ( how does one spell outro)
"Soerabaja" in Dutch is pronounced "Soerabaya" in English. Different phonetics.
Pronouncing "j" as "y" is Spanish, not English. That said, we don't use "j" much - we often use "dg" for that sound, as in "badger".
"Pyjamas" is an Indian word (I think). "Bijou" is French. ...
I dont think it was for local defense, so much as local oppression. It's design suggests to me a vessel used for colonial policing and subjugation, not a deterrent against other modern naval powers, or even pirates.
robert moore duh! What do you think colonialism was? Of course, don’t be to sad, human nature being what it is today’s oppressors are tomorrow’s oppressed. Meaning, they’d done it to those before them, and would certainly have done it to anyone else if they could have.
@@taggartlawfirm I'm not sad. Far from it. Just pointing out my opinion on the the rationale of why this vessel was made. I dont think Africans and peoples from SE Asia are going to subjugate Europeans at any point. The Royal Art Museum in London has no fear that its entire collection will be hauled off by armed forces of Laos.
Mandatory early comment
on the expenses of the fleet, it wasnt so much that it was too expensive to do, it was rather that in the after war period of ww1 the communist and other left wing organisations stopped the government from its proposed fleet building effort.
it was a political failure rather than something that couldnt have been managed.
Pedestrian 16 knots.
😆
I actually leaned forward in anticipation of hoping she was refloated yet again and put back into service with the Dutch, poor form.
#GEKOLONISEERD
Hmm, dit is nu een nederdraad.
Gekoloniseerd