@shuriflwrs They're both harmonic instruments and can easily get in each other's way when comping. There's things you can do depending on what you're playing but the safest bet is to just have one harmonic instrument comping at a time.
I’m the jazz pianist in the big band at my university, and this is a huge thing. Sometimes it’s best just to get out of the way and let the guitar shine!
There is an album called Jazz Istanbul Vol.2 by Julide Özçelik. Most songs are comped by both instrument. I recommend that album to hear a good example.
It’s not just about being able to play in all 12 keys, but it can help. It’s all about listening, serving the song and not being selfish. Not forcing your learned grips on a given situation. It’s as much about not playing as it is about playing. Only masterful musicians can actually pull it off. Usually works best in a duo situation or specific arrangements, ala Jim Hall / Bill Evans, Russell Malone / Benny Greene.,
@@larjasoul yeah, I think so too. Been too preoccupied with playing the right voicings in each measure, haven't had the time to just sit back and listen to the band
@@larjasoulI was just coming here to say that I always give the advice to actually sit on your left hand until you find where the space exists! Particularly good advice if you're not used to play with a bass player. Sit on your left hand! Physically!
The Guitar's lowest string is a E2, the top string is an E4. To negotiate range territory, if the Guitar player comps without using the top string, that limits the range approx from G2 to F#4. The pianist can comp chords above the F#4 range. Then you can negotiate switching out the comping ranges. Or it can happen naturally. Default to guitar playing pads, and piano comping, and switch off. Share, be giving. It's a lot simpler than people think. It's just that jazz musicians want to be free and do whatever they want when they comp at all times. Especially in Jam situations. It's about their own personal expression as an individual. When both pianist and guitar player have that mindset, the accompanist's clash. To accompany means to COMPLEMENT. Complement the melody, the song, and each other. When you're in a group where everybody does that, it's very fulfilling, and you don't have to have phenomenal musical talent and ability to accomplish that. Having said all that, laying out is always an acceptable option. LOL.
That's exactly what I did when a professional guitar player even doubled and stacked my piano riff when playing Take 5 with his 6 string voicings, almost sounding like a bass player on his L5... There are guitar players you love to play with but others really force you to leave the stage. :D
Yeah. I remember similar comments from a piano player I used to work with. One time I said “I’d like to bring a vibraphonist in on this next gig.” The response was something like “WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE…”
But seriously, the ton setting of the electric guitar makes a huge difference too. If it's too acoustic sounding it doesn't match with piano as well as with more effects on it.
I very recently started trying to produce music as I play guitar now and played several instruments growing up, including piano. I often struggle trying to figure out how to get keys and guitar together cause hearing the intro I was like “oh perfect, that would be great to know since I can’t quite seem to get these two instruments playing well together” -____- I am not amused lol
Hey, I’m 3/4 of the way to qualifying for being in your band. Unfortunately, I still run 15 hairs through my comb! 🤥. Think there is a band name in there somewhere. 🤓🥳🤘
Haha faced a lot of problems when comping with a guitarist, but playing huge voicings in high register (like red garland style) help not to be in the same frequency than the guitar.
Keep guitar to 3rds and 7ths, keep piano to outer register shells. If you don't think it can work, listen to some Wes Montgomery albums with piano players.
if the guitarist just plays 3rds and 7ths then there isn't as much of a change for chord or range clash and the sound is not as cluttered. even sans piano player the 3rd and 7th approach can provide an orchestral bare bones palette with the upright bass. i don't see many players using that these days...
As a guitar player who’s played with many piano players I’d say 90% do zero adjusting to their comping when there’s guitar player and when I listen to guitar players with pianists it’s fair to say they are just as guilty.
Practice in all twelve keys, and you're good to go.
...and you're good to leave.
Oh they missed a golden opportunity on that one
Happy practicing!
And if you're getting up to go to the bathroom, make sure to practice in all 12 pees!
Done!
I can definitely practice this in all twelve keys.
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Lol as a pianist I saw that coming a mile away but I still laughed
As a guitarist who also plays piano... I concur 😂🍻
Do piano and guitar not go together or something? I'm a little lost on this one😭
i thought he was gonna unplug the guitar hahahaha
@@lanye2708 lol! Hilarious
@shuriflwrs They're both harmonic instruments and can easily get in each other's way when comping. There's things you can do depending on what you're playing but the safest bet is to just have one harmonic instrument comping at a time.
Finally something I have already practiced in all twelve keys
Bill Evans and Jim Hall did it brilliantly on their 1962 album "Undercurrents"!
What?? Two of my favorites of all time made a record together during the Golden Era of jazz? 😮
Thank you for this! I'm checking it out now 🎵 🎶
The definitive proof against the notion that guitar and piano don't work together
@@Guitar_Wolfin that case check out Intermodulation too. More of the same perfection as the Undercurrent.
this video talking in the context of having full rhythm section tho which is usually when piano and guitar clash
@@njt2347 Will do, thank you 😀✌🏻
I’m the jazz pianist in the big band at my university, and this is a huge thing. Sometimes it’s best just to get out of the way and let the guitar shine!
it’s more just not having too much texture yknow
I’m also the jazz pianist for my uni big band, we don’t have a guitar player😎
There is an album called Jazz Istanbul Vol.2 by Julide Özçelik. Most songs are comped by both instrument. I recommend that album to hear a good example.
Thank you for this suggestion!!
Thanks for the suggestion!
Thank you!
Thank you!
That walk off was legendary! And it’s a good move with double comping
Take a bathroom break in the middle of a jam session in all 12 keys and you're good to go 👍
I don’t even want to know what that means…
@@jukesjointOG Keys to the bathroom ...
get it ?
@@Tom-hk6ub DOH!!!!
When you’re drunk enough you’ll piss the whole circle of fifths on to the bathroom wall 😂
It's Baseball Cap and the Bald Trio. My favourite band!
I played in a band in college with two keyboards, guitar and horns. Needless to say we didn’t last long.
Chick Corea and Frank Gambale did it brilliantly on the 1989 album "Chick Corea Akoustic Band"!
gambale never played in chicks akoustic trio. only in the elektric band. fyi
@@jeremyversusjazz exactly! 🤓
Finally an open studio tutorial which matches my level !
I love this I play in a Brazilian band so I can’t step off but we have sure spent seven years trying to figure out how we can operate together!😊
We call that "pulling a Monk"
Exactly!😂 Even pulling a dance number too for good measure
yooooo this too funny 💀
The set looks so comfy. Love the rug. Ties the room together.
It’s not just about being able to play in all 12 keys, but it can help. It’s all about listening, serving the song and not being selfish. Not forcing your learned grips on a given situation. It’s as much about not playing as it is about playing. Only masterful musicians can actually pull it off. Usually works best in a duo situation or specific arrangements, ala Jim Hall / Bill Evans, Russell Malone / Benny Greene.,
that line at the start was NAAAAAAASTY immediately transcribed
My weekly Jazz gigs runs into this issue every time. It has improved a lot, though. Some nights are better than others.
Fucking hell 😂. I'm playing for the first time tomorrow with a guitar player and was looking for some tips. Then you just stood up.
I'm cooked.
i think this was unironically his advice! less can be more. it's no crime to sit your left hand out once in a while.
@@larjasoul yeah, I think so too. Been too preoccupied with playing the right voicings in each measure, haven't had the time to just sit back and listen to the band
@@larjasoulI was just coming here to say that I always give the advice to actually sit on your left hand until you find where the space exists!
Particularly good advice if you're not used to play with a bass player. Sit on your left hand! Physically!
Lmaooooo
he just means trade off comping. maybe trade soloists or choruses
I play shell chords all night, no problem . Piano is the perfect comp instrument in this genre
Yes!
Take turns sitting out.
The Guitar's lowest string is a E2, the top string is an E4. To negotiate range territory, if the Guitar player comps without using the top string, that limits the range approx from G2 to F#4. The pianist can comp chords above the F#4 range. Then you can negotiate switching out the comping ranges. Or it can happen naturally.
Default to guitar playing pads, and piano comping, and switch off. Share, be giving.
It's a lot simpler than people think. It's just that jazz musicians want to be free and do whatever they want when they comp at all times. Especially in Jam situations. It's about their own personal expression as an individual. When both pianist and guitar player have that mindset, the accompanist's clash.
To accompany means to COMPLEMENT. Complement the melody, the song, and each other. When you're in a group where everybody does that, it's very fulfilling, and you don't have to have phenomenal musical talent and ability to accomplish that.
Having said all that, laying out is always an acceptable option. LOL.
Happy practicing !
3rds and 7ths, appropriate extensions, on 3 + and of 4.
That’s a super sweet guitar tone!
Awesome playing guys, just amazing!
Need more smart people like this
In che citta' siete sono rimasto alone! Non e' tardi per diventere professionista! Tank you!
So accurate
Best advice ever
On behalf of guitarists everywhere, I approve this message. Please share with any pianists you know!
Very very very very good!
Thank you very much!
That's exactly what I did when a professional guitar player even doubled and stacked my piano riff when playing Take 5 with his 6 string voicings, almost sounding like a bass player on his L5... There are guitar players you love to play with but others really force you to leave the stage. :D
As a guitar player I approve this message! Give us some space at least sometimes lol!
Yeah. I remember similar comments from a piano player I used to work with. One time I said “I’d like to bring a vibraphonist in on this next gig.” The response was something like “WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE…”
But seriously, the ton setting of the electric guitar makes a huge difference too. If it's too acoustic sounding it doesn't match with piano as well as with more effects on it.
Now I just need to practice that in all twelve keys!
Smooth as 🧈
I very recently started trying to produce music as I play guitar now and played several instruments growing up, including piano. I often struggle trying to figure out how to get keys and guitar together cause hearing the intro I was like “oh perfect, that would be great to know since I can’t quite seem to get these two instruments playing well together”
-____- I am not amused lol
I KNEW he was about to walk away when he said there is one “sure fire way” 😂
Were you reading my mind? 😮 I was just thinking about Pat & Lyle and how they did this perfectly on the regular and wondering how they did it.
There is tons of great albums with piano and guitar playing at the same time, because there's tons of good players.
Thought he was gonna dance like Monk.
At last a valuable information
What song are you guys playing? It’s awesome
That was smooth!
I wondered which of them was going to just stop playing. Didn’t expect the full walk away. 😂
Chris Parks! The man
Love it.
The whole piano sheet is a fermata symbol. That’s a good paying gig.
this is such a great advice. I wish I have learned to shut up on stage when there is not need to play a lot sooner .
Please would you mind sharing the details of your piano bench? Thanks.
Hey, I’m 3/4 of the way to qualifying for being in your band. Unfortunately, I still run 15 hairs through my comb! 🤥. Think there is a band name in there somewhere. 🤓🥳🤘
"Shiny side up"?
Haha faced a lot of problems when comping with a guitarist, but playing huge voicings in high register (like red garland style) help not to be in the same frequency than the guitar.
maybe huge voicing are not the way to go.
As a bass player, I hit the keyboard players left hand with a ruler if it hits a note lower than an octive lower than middle C.
If there's any booze in that glass, I would be completely wasted after taking it through the twelve keys.
HaHa,,, I Love this Moo-ove!! Always good to have a sure-fire Exit Strategy!!😁😅🤣🎶 Brilliant, guys 🔥🌶🎹🌶
I love how it's the piano player who eventually needs to give up... Never expect a guitarist to give up 😂
Ah yes! The legendary 'slick lick' ;) Guess another fire way is just playing that over and over again 😁
I believe what he's saying is: run the keyboard cable through a volume pedal controlled by the guitarist.
God thanks, finally someone to saiying it!!
The one who knocks is behind you sir
Literally tho. I still have yet to see a band where the piano and guitarist don’t trip over each other at some point
Strollin'!
Keep guitar to 3rds and 7ths, keep piano to outer register shells.
If you don't think it can work, listen to some Wes Montgomery albums with piano players.
What are some good Wes Montgomery albums to listen to that follow this pattern?
Yes, I'd like to listen to some of those albums too.
Finally, something I can do in all 12 keys. Literally walking away. 😂
Happy practicing! 😜🤭
LOL so true, as a guitarist, please. Get up, walk away and come back to the piano when I'm done soloing
Yes!!
Good one✌️
if the guitarist just plays 3rds and 7ths then there isn't as much of a change for chord or range clash and the sound is not as cluttered. even sans piano player the 3rd and 7th approach can provide an orchestral bare bones palette with the upright bass. i don't see many players using that these days...
Totally.
What is comping?
Amazing haha
I think I might get the hand of this one fairly quickly
Too kool
wait so now im supposed to take it through all twelve keys???
AMEN!!!
Real
Reality: I turn up to the jam session with my guitar, see that there's a pianist there, turn around, go home.
Peter's just there as the eye candy.
My precious Peter 😩🤤🥵
👍👍
I had a pianist tell me the same thing, only I was the one who laid out. 😳
Good one XD
As a guitar player who’s played with many piano players I’d say 90% do zero adjusting to their comping when there’s guitar player and when I listen to guitar players with pianists it’s fair to say they are just as guilty.
Thelonious Monk
Alla Monk!!!
Ahh, good times. Being told to lay out 😅
The guitar player just needs to not play low tones or high tons. He just needs to play 2 note chords. 3 + 7 and it can work 😊
9:30 😂😂😂
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I somehow saw the ending coming 😂
He pulled a Monk! 😂
Part of being in this combo is not needing a comb. Oh!!!
Make sure you can rest in all 12 keys
May I be the second? 😅😃😂😹
I laughed too, lifetime on my wonderful guitar. 👍✌️🎶💙
Just turn the amp up and tell the piano player how much you love organ
I feel like its not different then 2 guitars one person plays chords and rhythm the other does melodies and lead