If they removed cosmo from asiles... They should also remove conspiracy theory magazines. Alex Jones is bad enough online, we don't need it in our faces while checking out so they can inspire ignorant anti science based people
Cosmo - Never read it, probably won't ever. Then again, that's not super surprising, Cosmo isn't really targeting 30 year old males. My take is, however, it's a pre-emptive move by Walmart to assuage the ever increasing rise of puritanical pearl clutcher's. It's very encouraging that we're reverting back to 1900's and earlier, ways of thought. Are there beautiful women on the covers constantly, yeah...but I'm pretty sure my chances with those women are 0, so...who cares? It's a disappointing move, though, I feel like it's a part of a 'creep' against women being able to do as they please. Cover up ladies, no showing shoulders, or arms, or anything above the ankle. There might be kids watching! Planned Parenthood - I'm sorry, can we just allow kids to be kids...for awhile. Before the soul-crushing experience of life grinds away at their very existence and they realize how shitty the world can be? I'm not talking about sheltering them, per-se, but fucks sake, can they enjoy a cartoon or a movie without being subjected to some of the most extremely sensitive and complex debates in our society? Shouldn't make a difference, but I'm pro-choice, and yeah, not sure I think it's super appropriate or even healthy to try and explain to kids that sometimes parents choose to not have a child. What's next? An intense conversation with a pre-teen about what a Dialation and Currettage is?
Psych IRL I guess it depends slightly on where you live. But there's no way I'm dropping my kids off and picking them up 5 days a week. I'll buy them a bike, like my parents did
I think they mean neglect in the legal sense. Neglect occurs when someone has a duty of care (such as a parent to supervise a child) and has breached that duty in some way that causes harm to the person they owed the duty to. Basically the parent was ruled responsible for their child and making sure they get to school safely and the parent didn't do that. But I agree, it is bizarre.
I think it all depends on where you live. I lived in a small town and lived near the school so I would walk home everyday from 1st grade onward. The school didn't allow kindergartners to walk home alone but once you got to first grade as long as you had permission from your parents you could walk home. It would've been very different had we lived in an actual city.
rajesh koothrappali "No way I'm dropping off and picking up my kids 5 days a week" Sounds like you shouldnt be in charge of kids. What's next, "I dont want to cook for my 7 year old, I'll teach them how to make their own food and they can talk with their teachers in my place at Parent-Teacher conferences. Why become a parent if you arent willing to be a decent parent, at the very least.
This "free range" parenting stuff blew my mind, because I grew up in a tiny town in Norway, and I walked alone to school, a 30 minute walk, in snow storms when I was 7. No one blinked an eye, it is normal.
KittenSaysRawr I actually live in Utah now. There are a lot of young kids out all the time. As a community we “all” watch out for the children. My kids are way more independent and responsible than my nieces and nephews that are not allowed to go anywhere by themselves in Cali.
I will preface this with saying that I believe in the idea that you are promoting, however, just because no one blinked an eye doesn't mean its "ok" or "normal". I realize that this is an extreme example, but about 200 years ago slavery was considered ok and was the norm.
The new law says that it is legal for “kids to walk to school alone or play outside without supervision”. So basically what most parents did when I was growing up in the 80’s and 90’s?
yeah, I think we might be around seven and we could be outside w/o anyone? and the best swing set was around the block so mum even could not see us from the window X"D
Why were parents walking to school and playing outside without supervision in the 80s and 90s? Perhaps if your parents hadn't neglected you, then you would be able to construct sentences :^)
Wow. I didn't even know having your kid walk alone home from school was child neglect. When did that come in to play? My brother and I were fine with walking to school and back. We knew nearly every one on our block and would meet up with the other kids. We would also ride our bikes to each other's houses and play out in the field. As long as I had a friend with me, I was allowed to do these things.
On Free-range Parenting: In Japan it is completely normal to see an elementary schoolkid walking home alone, both in small and large cities. Focusing on actual safety is better than on safety via isolation and/or excessive supervision.
True, but, in Japan, it's normal that if you drop you wallet, it will still be there when you come back an hour later--at least, according to some people I know. The society is just very different.
It's not just Japan, I'm from Paraguay (a third-world country) and kids are playing, taking the bus, walking from their schools and playing outside. Yes, maybe it's a third-world country, but it should be legal to let kids go out and enjoy themselves!
I think what many people fail to take into consideration regarding overprotective parenting is that not only are parents terrified of something tragic happening to their child, but they also run the risk of being "blamed" for said tragedy if we, the internet, deem they were a little too lax with their supervision. Did we all forget what happened with Harambe? Over 400,000 people signed a petition calling for the three year old boy's parents to be held accountable for Harambe's death due to "lack of supervision and negligence" and further stated that the parents should be investigated because they believed the incident at the zoo is potentially "reflective of the child's home life". And that isn't even looking into all the individual cases of complete strangers spitting vitriolic and even violent comments at the parents. And before any of you say, "well that child was only three, we're talking about school-age children", please remember that many children start kindergarten at age four, which would make this child potentially less than one year away from being trust into this "free range" environment we see in the Japanese culture.
I walk my 6 year old sister to her school everyday and im not going to let her walk alone until she is older.i have this mindset because my 14 year old sister was almost kidnapped when an old man she didnt know grabbed her and tried to pull her into his car almost 2 blocks from our house. So i personally dont think its overprotective to walk your kids to school. But it is stupid that some were punished for it.
This is true! I think Cosmo wasn't selling enough so they needed a valid excuse to take it off the shelves or too many fat Feminists were yelling that they are getting sexually abused by it some how.
Maria Kotter Sorry, but this sounds like an excuse to not educate your child or be an involved parent. If you think kids going to elementary school don't talk about sex these days, you're an idiot. Teach your damn kids and stop trying to shield them. I am tired of parents blaming literally everything else for why their kid is the way they are. We have had risque magazines at check out lines for how many years now? It's suddenly a problem why? You realize kids look at far worse on their phones, right? Disney channel is rampant with young girls wearing scantily clad clothing. Cartoons have shit tons of adult humor as well. Where does it stop? When will parents take responsibility for teaching their children good values and educating them about self-worth, dignity and integrity?
Yes, how many times are you talking about birds and the bees with your kids? Why are your kids so obsessed? Think about how you're framing things maybe, you or your environment must be the problem Maria. They should be capable of finding a shitload of other things cooler.
Let me preface by saying that I am not American so I don't know all the rules and laws you guys have. That being said, I still don't really understand what the big deal is about the census and citizenship. You are either in a country legally or you are not. If you are citizen, you answer the question, no problem. If you are not a citizen but you have appropriate documentation (ie work visa, student visa, etc), you answer the question, no problem. If you are not a citizen and/or you do not have appropriate documentation, then you shouldn't be there, and you shouldn't be filling out the census.
The free range parenting is really nothing more than a fancy phase to describe how most of us over the age of 40 were brought up when we were kids. If anything, crime has gone down since the 70s and 80s but the 24 hour news cycle, the internet and activists have everyone convinced its more dangerous to be a kid today than it was back then. In most cases, it's probably safer today.
Yeah it’s just because it’s reported more on social media a lot so therefore the public thinks it happens a lot even though crime has gone down over time.
Dan & Jen Nevada - Its why that in general, our kids are not as mature as they used to be. No experience with making decisions and overcoming adversity.
My friends and I as kids use to walk miles to and along a pump cannal to fish, crawfish, or just to go play . It was just how us kids were raised back then I can't imagine having to be have been watched by a parent or having to stay home at all times.
I remember coming home from school alone at 7, making something to eat then going out to the park and stuff with both my parents and maybe not seeing him/her until like 8 or 9pm after getting out at 3:30 Obviously its not as dangerous in the uk or europe but still if there wasn't such a big deal about it in the US im sure it would be normal.
Obviously its not as dangerous in the uk or europe but still if there wasn't such a big deal about it in the US im sure it would be normal. Nice joke mate. Ever been in Europe?
What Phillip said: "a Maryland couple was accused of neglect after they let children, ages 10 and 6, walk home without adult supervision." What Niamh heard: "Arrested for letting a 10 and 7 year old walk home from school" Holy crap indeed, bean.
@Doubtful Guest, I was connecting three statements/pieces of information. (1) Phil says: "...in other states where parents were being investigated, they were being arrested for allowing their kids to do things alone. In 2015, a Maryland couple was accused of neglect after they let their children, ages 10 and 6, walk home without adult supervision...", (2) while he was saying this, the news article that had popped up read: "Silver Spring parents CHARGED with child neglect after allowing kids to walk home alone." and (3) the next story was about a Florida mom who was ARRESTED after letting her 7 year old walk to the park alone. The second story clearly involved a 7 year old and a parent being arrested. The first story used the term "charged" when referring to the parents of the 10 and 6 year old walking home. Since it used the term "charged" and Phil had just mentioned parents being arrested, and the story right after it had a parent being arrested, yes, I interpreted that to mean that the parents of the 10 and 6 year olds were also arrested (and yes, I said 7 year old and not 6 year old, my bad).
Tom Foolery I’ve bought one magazine in my life (recently actually) online and my bank found that so weird they froze my bank account due to suspicious purchases; so yeah no one really buys magazines
As a child who grew up in this hyper-protective world, I think I was not allowed to experience being a kid. I could not play outside alone, without an adult, until I was about 10 this made it so other neighborhood kids would refuse to let me play with them because they didn't want a parent around. My friends would ask me to go places, bike to the park, bike to the strip mall 1/2 a block away and I was not allowed to until about 13. Nor was I allowed to go to friends houses if my mom deemed them "too dangerous" i.e. they lived in an apartment and were slightly less well-off than we were. I lost a lot of friends, and by the time I was allowed to go with and they had cars I only had 1 friend who was willing to do anything with me, and I was terrified the whole time I was out anywhere. I know I was safe, and I know why my mom did this now but in the long term, it created more psychological damage than anything. I learned to be afraid of the world, every adult was a drug-addict murderer, other kids my age were beneath me, I should not associate with those who have poor financial situations, going to someone's house is a death sentence unless I know them super well, my mom is a person to be feared and I need her permission to do anything. I never learned how to be independent, I never learned social skills, I never learned how to make friends, and I never learned who I was as a person until I started college. I agree with the lawmakers on the issue, but I think this is a social problem more than a legal one. Should provisions be put in place to prevent parents from getting charged with this? maybe. But as a society, we should NOT punish the kids for wanting to learn how to be kids because of the shortcomings in the legal system, the government, the police, and mental health services to catch and identify predators to children. If your neighborhood is not safe enough for a child to walk to the park it is not the fault of the parent or the child, it is the fault of your community.
I feel sorry for that! When I was growing up I could play outside alone or with neighborhood kids from I think age 5 or so onward, but would have to be back for like lunch and similar. However, after ages 7 and up we would just have to be home in the evening. That was it. Also, kids go to school on their own in the first grade and pretty much everyone does it that way (although first grade here is at age 7). It feels really weird for me to look at the US or a bunch of other western countries and think that kids there weren't allowed to do things on their own.
ItsJustEddie Sadly you're the type of kid that ends up becoming a criminal. You never had to learn to interact in the real world so lose your shit when something isnt as you thought.
Not saying you are a bad person. But when the so called "rules" arent as you thought, why should you follow any rules? If they are all doing things you were taught were wrong, why wouldnt you do something else that was wrong? So if you were taught at home that being gay was bad wrong etc Also taught rape was bad wrong etc. Then you go out in the real world you see gay people being openly gay and only a small amount of people calling them out. Then hear there are all these rapes and only a certain bunch of people are calling them out. Then why wouldnt you assume that raping is ok and being gay is ok and it is only bigots who have a problem with it. You can say blah blah blah illegal not illegal blah blah. But a teenager doesn't go wow Im allowed to go to the park by myself I best head to a law library and study every single law and amendment which applies to the area in which I am now allowed to explore by myself.
Unfortunately I went through like the exact same thing. My parents didn't even want me walking around our neighborhood on my own when I was in high school. And we lived in a safe, middle - upper middle class neighborhood. I was never a allowed to go to sleep overs, ride in a car w/ someone my age driving, go to friends houses unless my parents knew them really well (like your parents, mine thought the other parents could be dangerous), wasn't allowed to have a phone until like the end of high school... etc. I also think it really hurt my social life. I am in college now, but definitely don't act like an adult and I had like no friends in high school and still have like no friends.
"Free Range Parenting" is not a new concept, I was taught how to ride the subway alone at about 8 or 9 so I could get to my mom or aunt in an emergency, letting children roam a neighborhood wasn't an issue until the 2000's specifically after 9/11. People nees to teach their children how to be independent they won't be kids forever, they need to know how to spot risks and take care of themselves in the real world. With the advances in technology you can track your kid, you can call them, when I was younger that technologhy didn't and your parents only knew something was wrong if you missed the street lights.
Carlotta Young exactly! Children in Chicago learn to take public transportation by themselves because if they don’t, many of them wouldn’t be able to go to school since their parents work all day.
That's true. Other than in the seriously dense parts of cities its actually easier to keep track of your children now with all the technology available. Before you would have to make calls to a few neighbours by landline to ask if anyone saw a child, even in sub-urban or rural areas. Now they can roam around with you knowing their exact position with a touch of a button.
+Mal Whal World aint any more dangerous now than it was when I was a kid. And I was walking home alone and going to the park alone when I was 9 or 10. There's a difference between protecting your child and being a helicopter parent.
Why are people mad about the “free range parenting” law becoming a thing? It’s not like the law says you HAVE to adopt “free range parenting” in your own home. It just allows those who believe in that style of parenting to do so without fear of CPS being called on them. You can still helicopter parent your child into a defenseless and sheltered human who won’t feel safe or prepared to move out on their own until they are well into their 30’s.
It's because kids are dumb, and they make terrible decisions like ride there bikes in front cars at the last minute, or throw rocks at things to see if they break. Kids don't listen to other adults these days like they used so I don't want to live with a bunch of unattended little people just doesn't sound like a good idea.
Fearing that CPS will get called on them is paranoia... there were a few cases here and there, but charges were dropped in those cases. People are mad because it's not about whether you can do it with your own kids, it's about concern for other's people's kids who rely on their parents to protect them who may be neglectful.
Hi, as a person who lives here, it sucks because you already have sexual predator laws that are not enforced. Next, we have a rampant problem with child brides, polygamist groups, and several dozen parents who use our national parks as punishment time out zones for hours to days yearly. It is so common place it rarely even makes headlines here that we are searching for another kid dropped off in the mountians. We have a huge issue with neglect that is protected as religious in nature. All of these are just ignored until the federal government steps in or it exceeds 3 years of tax issues. Also, it doesn't free up CPS at all. Most CPS calls are drug based here, as religious freedom barriers are in place for most sexual, or physical abuse. Seriously, bishops and Stake presidents explode if you go to law enforcement before them. Emotional abuse is rarely ever pursued here, as it is considered okay and even encouraged to tell your daughters their sole purpose is to be baby makers and tell your sons their lives are so let to continue their fathers beliefs and practices and pursuing anything else is grounds to being locked in a room. So no, the reason there is people upset is because living here you get to watch a man groom an 11 year old to wed and it is considered okay. You get to see a scout leader who is known to fondle 8 year old boys go on yet help a kid build a pinewood derby car, you see a 5 year old with bruises across their legs and arms and you just have to let it go because their parents are part of the bishopric or practice quiverfull and that makes it what the parents do acceptable. It is not just helicopter parents upset about this law, it is just people tired of finding lawmakers saddle kids with more accountability then the adults around them.
Figster It's funny how people talk like kids these days are stupid (and yes they make stupid decisions) because they aren't like we used to be but still refuse to allow them to be raised like we were. Yep I'm pretty sure we were stupid too. The difference is that we were made to learn and didn't habe issues and all decisions made for us
Walmart only changed the location because the magazine wasn't selling as well as item "X" could according to their data; then some savvy PR person found a way to spin their increased sales into a "progressive cause" and get free marketing for it.
I always wonder if this was the situation with getting rid of Grid Girls in F1. I saw a lot of people claiming "PC culture gone mad!", but I don't really think outrage over Grid Girls could really effect F1 financially. Maybe they wanted to fire people to save money and put a progressive spin on it.
I think "free-range parenting" is just normal older style parenting. kids should have the freedom to escape their parents and enjoy handling things on their own. better yet, give you kid a big well-trained dog to protect them. even when i was like 10 my mom would let me walk for miles in the woods as long as i was carrying a two-way radio and had my dog with me.
I walked to kindergarten alone as a kid. I understand that maybe for a lot of people that might not be a good idea, but in the town of 800 I grew up in that was perfectly fine. The thought of my parents been charged as criminals for letting me walk 3 blocks is rediculous.
Yeah except that when it happened in my day it was derogatively called having a "latchkey kid.' I came and went from my house as I pleased from the age of 9 and nobody ever thought I was being neglected. And I was raised in the '80s during the "Stranger Danger" panic bullshit.
Are you suggesting that child abuse should be legal because it's just "the way they parent," or did you just construct your statement in a horribly vague and misleading manner.
MarvEllis it should be up to the parents to decide if they let their kids go alone. Not the government. Those that choose free range parenting shouldn't be punished.
It depends where you live. I live in a city. I dont even feel comfortable walking to my grocery store because of all the crime that happens daily in my area. But if I was back in my old farm town I would be more comfortable. Its the parents choice and judgment to decide if the area is truly safe enough to free-range their child.
Free range parenting just let's parents be parents; don't take anything out of context and the citizenship question is good. With that said, we need a disney princess who is written by Donald Glover.
Same...saw this in the news and thought to myself: "This is just barely a thing?" Funny part? I live in Utah! Since about 3rd grade I have walked to and from school. I scootered with some friends into the actual city we lived in and went to a card shop. My parents taught me safety, and though, this popping up in the news does make me feel I took their trust in me and my freedom for granted, I am relieved that my parents weren't helicopter parents.
dementare Imagine there's a movie where a Princess is on the run from assassins. She flees the country to a country on a different continent, but she can't let anyone know who she is, where she's from, or anything.... or else the assassins will find her. She's still a princess, but she's changed her look, she has a new name... she's in hiding. In that case, she would *also* happen to be an illegal immigrant. How do you feel about that?
dementare how would you know that it’s not hard ? yeah it’s illegal immigration and it’s hard but if it’s so easy to become a citizen we wouldn’t have so many in a horrible position
dementare What if she needs to fled a country but the threat is agaist her and few other ppl and no other country knows about the situation If u escape the country but it is not recognised as a dangerous place by country u escape to they can't give u refugee status. They just *legally* send u back - and that is really scarry (that could be why many ppl are immigrants, not refugees)
*The reality is that it is inevitable to have negative experiences and if you deny kids experiences to grow and learn they may never become self reliant. We need to teach our children to be able to take care of themselves and then allow them the opportunity to try and fail or else we fail as parents and set them up for failure.*
Jay C Right? When I was in preschool I would ride the bus to preschool with my cousin who was four years older than me. She was around 8, I think, I was 4. Was never kidnapped
this is truly strange to me. im a teenager and have never rode a public bus, let alone riding one alone. i ride a school bus to school and up until i was about 13 there was always one parent at my bus stop. when i got into high school everything changed.
It sounds pretty much how I grew up... I remember being 11 and hanging out with a group of neighborhood kids between the ages of 6 and 13 and the older kids tended to keep an eye on then younger ones as we all played together.
Same here. I don't think riding a subway alone was on the list of things we were allowed to do lol but we played probably up to a mile or so away from our house sometimes. I don't think I ever encountered anyone creepy and I was literally never at home back then.
That's also how I grew up my parents wouldn't let me play outside unless my older brother was with me he was 12 while I was 6. And if my brother wanted to hang out with his friends but I still wanted to play outside he would have to take me with him and I knew he hated having me around his friends but he never left me anywhere by myself or he'd follow me around while I explored. He had common sense and knew that I liked to wander off, He took care of me and watched me and so did his friends and they never let anything happen to me no matter how annoying I was because we all watched out for each other.
When I was a kid in elementary school, in the early 90's, my mom would let me walk to the beach alone. She would just say "dont get in the water" as she did not want me to swim unsupervised. So, I would go to the beach and stay out of the water. But, she also told me not to play with my friend's pellet gun and I ended up shooting myself in the finger with it while she was at work and had the fire department almost break down my door when my friend called 911 because my finger wouldn't stop bleeding. +1 Free Range Parenting
I live in Sweden and I have never heard of "free ranged parenting" even being a thing. Here it is completely normal to walk to school, to friends, to parks etc. (if the distance is short enough) as soon as you start school pretty much. So from age 6.
See, I don't agree with that entirely. I think parents should supervise their children more: children ARE vulnerable. That said, I don't think it should be illegal for them to not to to that degree.
My parents were the opposite of helicopter parenting. I was autonomous, walked to school. They let me cry as a kid. It made me a better adult! I have friends who are scared of everything. I think it’s a good thing, to a certain level. Doing things alone & having responsabilities is great! But i don’t know if i would let my tiny 7 year old play in a park alone. Mainly for security reasons. You know, they could hurt themselves or something.
inglourious basterds We always hurt ourselves going to the park or going out we would go home with cuts and bruises but that's what childhood is these days it's sitting in the house on Xbox or tablet you know. I will agree tho that you can't just let your kids do anything there needs to be boundaries and discipline
inglourious basterds They let you cry? Sounds like neglect. If your kids starts crying and you dont know why, then you're a shitty failure, not a parent.
My mom has been a helicopter parents since I was a baby. Now I’ve turned 18 and she’s letting me have freedom. So I guess I’ve been raised with both. However, I have developed an anxiety disorder because she created this fear in me. But I understand it. My moms a paramedic and she’s seen all kinds of bad. But I think she’s realizing how damaged that fully was and now she’s trying to change it. So I guess most people need to find a healthy middle
Totally Not Stalin Not neglect. If i was crying because i was hurt or hungry, they would obviously come. But i was throwing a stupid tantrum or crying for no reason, they would leave me and go in the next room. I would stop in 5 seconds.
Cosmo is too sexy yet they have no problem promoting all those trashy gossip magazines that outright lie about celebrities? Because that makes a whole lot of sense.
Free-range parenting in so far as it allows children to develop some healthy life skills, but not so far that parents are no longer involved. I actually find it funny that it requires a label now. I'm only 20, but I would say 20 years ago, that's just how we were raised. Yes, I had to check with my parents to see if I was allowed to go to a friend's house, but no, they did not hold my hand all the way there and back. I biked to school and played outside all the time without supervision. It's not free-range, it's just natural.
Sophie Comrie 22 here...same thing for me. Only came home at night, and occasionally to eat dinner. Spent all day outside after getting done with school. Granted i lived in a pretty peaceful suburb and had a emergency cell phone at 12. We grew up in a special time. End of an era and the beginning of one at the same time.
"free range parenting" may be new to current generation in the west but look at developed country like Japan, even first graders go to school all by themselves. Its a very good indicator to how safe it is for children and how low the crime rates are in Japan.
What's really baffling is that I'm of the age these parents mush be, and I've never heard of this "you can't walk to school" bullshit. I walked the mile to school from 7, walked to the public bus stop and got a public bus to school 3 miles away from 8 and got myself on a train 10 miles to school from 11. Its really weird to think people are locking kids down like that, and especially that it sounds like the law was enforcing that weirdness. When I was about 7/8 I used to get up early and go get my dad his paper from the news agent. There was method in my madness - he'd give me a couple of pennies more than the paper was and I'd buy like 2 penny sweets lol. I wonder what the government of today would be more annoyed about: that I left my house unchaperoned or that I bought sweets as a kid? Side note: can kids do chores these days?
Adding a Citizen question does not violate the 14th amendment. The amendment only refers to citizens to begin with and even specifies "all persons born or naturalized in the United States." If someone is not a citizen residing in the united states, why would the Census apply to them? They are not subject to the rights and privileges of United States citizens, so they should not be included in a census that is going to have impact on United States legislation.
The constitution protects everyone on American soil whether they are citizens or not. A literal alien from the Andromeda galaxy could stay at maralago and be protected legally.
The constitution does afford some rights to illegal and legal non-citizens, however, I am talking about the 14th amendment, not the entirety of the constitution. The 14th amendment is not one of those rights granted to non-citizen, that is why i quoted the portion where it states "all persons born or naturalized in the United States."
MrMagicBanana honestly I think these representatives are just trying to keep their power rather than lose their illegal immigrants funding, but whether it is illegal or not, neither is or them can decide. We have to leave it to the courts on what the law actually says or not. I doubt it's illegal, but really we just have to leave it to the people who have spent their entire lives in that field.
Hav you just have think of Phil no longer saying jump in but instead it's "let's just ___ (fill in blank with an action) in". So it could be roll, crawl, stomp, scamper, etc.
I feel like “free range parenting” can be good in small amounts. Let your kid walk home from school, educate them of the dangers and tell them what to do. Maybe not to the park a couple blocks away alone though. No need to be overprotective if you are at the park with your kid though either. Let them do their own thing and again, educate them. Let them make their own mistakes sometimes too don’t hold them back from falling (like on a bike or something) because then they will never learn to get back up.
Why on earth would you not be walking home alone. I walked home alone or with friends from the age of 8. I'd also walk my wee brother and sister home from around 8 and then 10. Why would you not be walking home? Why would you need supervised for that? Other kids got the bus and train from 10/11 everyday on their own. You don't need to be supervised for that
Robert Cathcart it's easy to say that in a normal community or a state like Utah, but you cannot think the same way about young children in large metropolitan areas and surrounding cities. Not everyone lives the same and not every child thinks the same either.
Yer, I'm down for the whole free range parenting thing, but I would never let a 9 year old rise the subway by themselves, not cos I worried about paedophiles, but cos it's the fucking subway. They miss one stop, or get on the wrong train, how is a 9 year old supposed to sort themselves out?
Growing up, I would disappear for hours at a time @ 6 years old. Parents would kick me out of the house, and I would be outside all day. Different world.....
Dave J I'm 15 years old, and my mom won't even let me near a lit stove. I had to sneak behind her back with my dad to make cookies! I wish I was allowed out of the house, or able to walk alone.
Dave, same. Daylight to dusk I was wandering the woods or local neighborhood, not a worry in the world. I came home when I got hungry or it started to get dark, but I had a good sense of direction and my Dad was a local deputy. Not to mention I wasn't an idiot, I think it all depends on the situation, the kids Witt's, the parents teaching and the area you live in.
I walked to school everyday except for rainy days from the time i was 6 till i was out of school. Like others have said on weekends and during the summer.All the kids in the neighbor hood were outside from like 10 in the morning until the streetlights came on. We also dealt with issues like fighting with out involving parents.
There's usually smoke around people who've been caught in that. I don't really think there's ever been someone mentioned in the MeToo movement that hasn't had something out there already. Some saw Kevin Spacey as a surprise, but Family Guy had an episode where Stewie runs through a mall screaming "Help! I've escaped from Kevin Spacey's basement". That aired in 2005. So there were already rumors about him. Donald by all accounts seems completely clean.
than217 He seems very... ask-permission-y and doesn't strike me as the type to ignore a woman's discomfort or her saying no. Seeming isn't knowing sure, but I'm hopeful he's a good guy.
In japan they have a time when they give their children a task like go to the store and buy something. These kids will have to take the subway and buses to get to the store, find the item, and come home by themselves. This instills responsibility and confidence in young children. Sometimes the parents will follow the child just to be sure, but some don’t. I think this an important part of growing since a child can find out more about themselves and the world around them and how to interact with it. I would also walk to and from school alone starting in elementary school. From my experience I don’t think it should count as neglect
Ward Nightstone you can get arrested for letting your kids walk home? That walk home was a fantastic way for me to have freedom and convenient for my overworked mum
"free range parenting" is just called "parenting" here. Here 3-4 year olds will play with only their older siblings (7-8) for supervision on the road. It gets pretty loud during the summer holidays :/ they love to blast music until near midnight.
This! Helicopter parenting is the worst thing you can do to your child. They have to explore their environment on their own. They have to make their own expierences without an adult telling them "they are to young and small for that"
Will Templeton well the younger kids usually go in around dusk, but yeah kids under ten (and older obviously) will be out until very late during the summer holidays.
Kids here go and play Soccer in the street 11PM , I used to go to my school everyday when I was 7, I even go to Movies when I was 16 wallking to the next city, and I'm a lazy fat kid XD every day I find new fucked up think in america.
Dude, I walked to Kindergarten by myself xD so in the US my mum would've been arrested for that? That's simply ridiculous. I understand that the US is bigger and kids probably have to walk longer distances, but honestly a 8 or 9yo should simply be able to get to school by themselves. The US always going on about "freedom" and reducing limitations, but then it's illegal to just let your child walk to school, wtf....
themoralthistime Kids walk to and from school in the US all the time. No ones getting arrested for letting their kid walk 10-20 minuets to school. I think the law was intended for more extreme cases.
Travler Simpon I sure hope that's the case, but Phil also mentioned a woman getting in trouble for letting her son go to a nearby park by himself. Now, I don't know what the definition of "nearby" is here, but I would argue that she shouldn't be in trouble for that. And if they have to take a bus or ride a bike by themselves, kids should be able to do that (within reason obvs). Like a 10yo can travel a distance of up to 10-15km with no trouble. That's the distance my secondary school was at when I was 10 and I was just fine.
I got a house key at 9, and started walking home at the same age (30-35 minutes), I got my first phone at 11, and got public buses to and from high school (6 miles away) from age 12. Now at 21 I travel to countries alone and love my independence. I have some friends of the same age who are scared to open the door with the latch off.
Travel to Mexico or Brazil alone and see what happens, US is almost as dangerous as those 2. Their crime rate is much higher than Europe. So comparing your experience with those in the US is just unfair.
I grew up in rural Alaska. We were about as free range as it gets. We could go play out in the wilderness, we were 6 to 8 years old. Huffing sound with groans... probably a bear. Be loud and don't run. Moose are pretty easy to see, when standing, but like to stay cool laying in the bushes. Try not to do anything to startle it. Even that young, I would try to listen for how bushes were being moved. If you can figure out what it is, easier to figure out how to react. During the winter, if you get wet, remove the wet clothing. Your friends should use their dry clothing to keep your wet body parts warm. Assess for hypothermia. Stay clear of Musk Ox herds, especially with babies. They usually graze out in the open. Any near town, are used to people, just don't get close.
Why do videos just not work any more on TH-cam, like I’m watching this but it isn’t on your channel Phil, I only found it through notifications 🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
TheMakeupChair I never got a motif even though my bell is on, it’s not in my sub box, but is in my recommended. I’m frickinnnnn raging at this machine right now.
If you aren't a citizen the government has fewer obligations towards you relative to a citizen (This seems tautological). Non-citizens can't legally vote so the non-citizen population should not be considered when assigning congressional representation since congress job is to represent the citizenry (Seems pretty if a=b, b=c, then a=c). Change my mind.
I'm all for parents protecting their kids and avoid letting them walk home alone or left home alone but I find the fact that parents can be arrested and charged for doing so to be a bit ridiculous.
Wait, it's illegal for kids to walk to school alone in the US? Ok, just saw that this might be a cultural thing. The concept of free-range parenting in the US seems to be the concept of just plain parenting where I live. If your kid can't go to school or meet his friends by himself at age 10, the general feeling is that you've done something wrong. Of course, different parents will have different thresholds for letting their kids walk the streets alone, but age 10, around the start of middleschool, is usually the point where people feel like the kid needs to be able to perform basic human activities, like walking where they need to go. Many parents don't do it, not because they don't like the idea, but because driving or walking with them can be done without messing up anyone's schedule.
It's not illegal. It's just that some people were overzealous and made the news, and so they passed this nothing-law that doesn't really do anything, since the police still have the same discretion they had before.
Ive lived in america my whole life and kids are allowed to be unsupervised and often are even if it is not in their best interests. Some places its hard to even get a parent in trouble for actual neglect like DCF in Florida which is a complete joke.
Its not illegal, its just considered too dangerous by many overprotective parents because of the news blowing up every story about pedophiles and kidnapping, etc. Its still incredibly unlikely, hell, probably even less likely today than it was in the 70s, but people see the news and get scared so they don't trust neighbors anymore, which ironically just makes the community less safe because they don't bother to look out for anybody but themselves..
Which is kinda unfreedomish. Having to fear being accused or even wrongly charged for child endangerment because you teach it self-reliance doesn't create a feel of freedom.
The threat of being accused of child endangerment if your child gets hurt walking home alone from school is so bogus. With the world we live in today in the US, most households are made up of working parents who can't just drop everything to pick up their child from school. So pick one. Either we lighten the fuck up and realize kids have been doing this FOREVER or something needs to be done so parents can have time to pick up their children. It's fucking ridiculous.
wow wow wait hold on, it was illegal to let kids go to school by themselves or play outside alone??? What the heck. We went to school by ourselves from like age 7 or 8 onwards. We played outside with other kids throughout the neighbourhood alone all the time. We had to be home for dinner, that's it, and this was back when cell phones weren't a thing and our parents couldn't just call or gps-track us. I spent my summers hanging out at the neighbourhood playground, the woods behind my granny's house, our street,... We knew where we were, who we were with, what we were and weren't allowed to do, and most importantly: we learned to adequately assess risks BECAUSE we weren't constantly coddled and overprotected. (seriously though, google the research. Kids learn to assess risks and threats and to responsibly explore and become independent by being given space and an actual opportunity to explore their environment without adults constantly hovering over them. This whole 24/7 supervision mindset actually breeds fearful, anxious, dependent and insecure future adults.) Honestly, I'm not sure if this is a US vs Europe thing or a 2 decades ago vs now thing, though I don't have the impression it's much different here now from when I was a kid. And additionally, about the "evil adults" fear: Stranger Danger is the most messed up shit ever. The risk of your kid being hurt by a stranger they come across while out unsupervised, is MANY times smaller than the risk of your kid being abused by their teacher, uncle, family frien, or even their own parents. If "I don't want my kid to get molested" is an argument, you're statistically legit better off letting it go to the park alone, than sending a "trusted" adult along with them. The risk of that adult abusing your kid is several times the risk of a stranger harming them. Isn't there this thing we have about feelings and facts? Yeah.
I don't think it was illegal, but by making it explicitly LEGAL, it means that parents can't be charged with crimes designed to actually save kids from terrible parents for doing something like letting them walk to school alone
All i had to do at the ten was leave a note saying i finished my homework and I'm at so and so house. I'd usually forget to let my parents know so they'd call my friends parents and tell them to tell at me for forgetting to leave a note when they find out where I'm at
Same, what he described as free-range parenting is pretty much standard practice here in Germany. And amen to that bit about the statistical probability of falling victim to abuse.
Wait so it is bad to ask if the people are citizens because in California there is a lot of illegals who would decline to do the census therefor lowering California's Population count thus they would get less funding?? If the people are illegal what duty does the Federal gov. have to give them the same funding as a actual citizen?
Well then in that case what duty to immigrants have in paying taxes that don’t go to benefit them? They pay taxes that go to all the services they aren’t eligible for.
+Maribel Reyes Illegals do not pay taxes. They CAN'T pay taxes. You require a social security number to pay taxes. IF an illegal is paying taxes it's because they stole someone's identity, which should be obvious why that is not acceptable. Illegals shouldn't pay taxes, they should be deported.
tabular leech Google public health and public safety that will start to give you an understanding. It affects you, even if you can't see beyond hurr durr "voting," "illegals," talking points. Also the supreme court already ruled against this, so they are likely to follow president as they usually do regarding past court rulings.
No the point is California does things like Sanctuary cities in direct opposition of the FED then cries when the fed strikes back. If I moved onto your property don't you have the authority to come asking what I am doing? How is this any different, If California wants to shelter them they can pay for it.
I don’t think walking with your 7 year old to the park is taking their childhood. You can let them walk ahead, or away enough to where you can watch them. You can let them play. Remember people who are talking about this law hurting children are some of the same people who rather be on their phone or shove a tablet in a kid’s face than playing with them. I don’t agree with the law but I do agree with not hovering so closely over the kid 24/7. I feel like it’s more of a two very different parenting idea than a in the middle. A little of both is good, IMO.
The problem isnt walking your kids to the park, the problem (why it had to be adjusted) was that parents that decided to let their kids have some freedoms like going to the park alone were being prosecuted for child neglect. It is silly this "free range parenting" idea has to even exist, I called this normal childhood.
What shocked me in the video is that the charges didn't spark an outcry but a debate as if parents getting charged for free range paranting would be normal. I cannot imagine that children that don't naturally learn self-reliance will turn out to be normal adults. They will probably grow up even more scared than their parents.
Caroline Olivia I agree that going to the park with your kids is a good thing. But the problem (in my opinion) with the idea that you have to have kids inside of an adults view when they're 10 years old is that most adults don't want to or have time to go to the park very often. In fact I've noticed that most parents who insist on keeping their 10 year old children in sight at all times simply will not go outside to play with them very often at all and this means in effect that the children are not allowed to go outside to play very often at all.
Let kids be kids and go outside to play. We're not talking about the middle of a war zone, we're talking about a 1st world town. Stop formulating, sectioning, and controlling everything. They're kids, not robots.
Can make money by defaming someone or making someone lose money by your worda. Thats illegal. Hope it happens tho!! But she can come after philip saying he is the reason she doesn't find work anymore! 😂😂
As a child I was very mature & my parents would let me stay home at age 7, because I already knew how to cook, I knew my parents numbers, 911, not to answer the door, etc. I believe if the child is mature enough, there should be no problems with free range parenting. Whenever teachers or adults would talk to me, my parents always got the comment of "it's like talking to a mini adult", kids should be able to be kids as long as they're smart & mature enough.
Some shitty parents are gonna use this bill to neglect their kids, and not get prosecuted for it. Imo the bill has really few upsides, but has more than a couple downsides.
It was the same for me too. But that's the difference in parents these days and generation. Parents don't parent anymore. They want to be their friend. So if parents will acutely be parents and raise their kids , i'm all for it! Because "free range parenting" is what real parenting was back in the day. When kids would leave the house at 7:00am with friends and not be home till the street lights came on, or maybe a little later than that if it was summer time.
Yes some things this new law lets happen is fine like letting your children playing outside alone is okay (as long as they aren't like 4 or something) but some is sort of bad. Letting a 7 year old go on transit busses alone to wherever place they want is a bit absurd.
Mr.Burnside i agree. I think age 7-8 is when a child should be able to be alone outside, or do specific things like ride their bike around town. But I would never let my child get on a subway crowded full of people alone at age 7-9. There's too many risks & people I've encountered have scared me & I'm a grown woman.
.......Question....Why do people care about non-citizens not filling out forms that are supposed to represent the US citizens? Are states really so glutted with illegals / temporaries that non-US-citizens are actually a major votring force in the US? (I knew California was, but that was just one, to my knowledge.) Am I misunderstanding what the problem is? Please, by all means correct me (hopefully with a bit more courtesy than asking a politics question on the internet [outside of an echo chamber] usually provokes).
I was so confused about the Free Range Parenting segment. Being from Denmark all I could think was, 'Wait what, is it illegal to let your children go places alone?'. What is up?
Same reaction from an American, when i was a round 10 years old my sisters and I were allowed to go practically anywhere we wanted not sure if that was illegal now.
First thought: "OH NO PLEASE DON'T BE ANYTHING BAD ABOUT MY MAN DONALD GLOVER!" Edit: Damn, I was excited about that Deadpool series. But I'm relived nothing bad about Donald Glover came out, I hope he always stays clean and safe. Love you Glover/Gambino
For the "Free Range Parenting" story, I agree with it. It wasn't up till I was 18 years old that I had to learn to grocery shop, price compare or buy my own clothes. Not that I didn't want to, but my mom was always ahead of me and did it anyway. Everyone should watch "Japan's Independent kids" here in yt. It's really cool and is How free range parenting is involved in their culture. It's incredible.
Look, i actually read Cosmo on a regular basis and the fact is they have a lot of tremendous articles on sexual assault, workplace harassment, negotiation, business start-up, politics, abortion, and women's health. Which, by the way, women's health is still undermined as being "hormonal." The article, "Vagina, are you okay down there?" was about yeast infections and skinny jeans being so tight they were choking the groin. It's good info
LegzFallOffGirl Yes some of the articles are great, and before I became s mom of girls I used to read it too. But they are so a contradiction, they tell you so stories about how all women are sexual used and treated like meat....while sexualizing and treating them like meat on their own covers and all over the pages. Women should be treated same as men, for their wisdom, creativity, and more, not how much penises they can get up.
Never knew that they had actually useful articles. Well, at least they weren't important anymore, with all those things being available for free on the internet.
I hate to say this, but I feel like this law should be discussed at the city level. I think it’s perfectly fine to let your kids walk to school or to the park in nicer communities, but this law is extremely dangerous for kids in poorer places. It sucks, but that’s the way the world is.
Amber Rodriguez Actually its not easier to get away with that kind of stuff if you have more money. Unless you’re someone who’s extremely wealthy and have a lot of power (like celebrities or politicians), its harder to be a sexual predator in higher class communities because the kids have more people around them to help. Think about it, sexual predators target children who come from broken homes, are easy to subdue, and who have less friends/family to tell. Also, if the sexual predator has already been caught once before, they most likely live in poorer communities because its harder to get a job when you’re registered. I’m not saying that there aren’t sexual predators in the upper class, but there are way more in the lower class and there are way more children to victimize in these places. You can read more about it at www.pcar.org/poverty-and-sexual-violence
Ghost2Coast Don’t twist my words. I never mentioned anything about race. I’m purely speaking from an economical standpoint. Those in poorer communities have a greater risk of becoming victims of sexual abuse; therefore, I think more should be done to protect the kids in those communities.
Amber Rodriguez Like I said, I'm aware that sexual predators are everywhere, but I feel that the only places where a law like that makes sense is in communities of a higher economic status. This is why I'm saying that the cities should decide whether they want to implement this law or not. Each state has drastically different cities that require different laws to keep its citizens safe. This is one of those laws where its successfulness depends on the city.
I walked to and from school from third to sixth grade. Granted it was only about a half mile through a suburb, but the notion that my parents could have been charged with neglect for that is absurd. Yes we need to make sure parents aren't abandoning their kids, but at the same time some people need to seriously chill and realize that the world is 95% safe. It's up to you as the parent to know how to recognize that 5% while also letting your child experience the rest of it.
Fakjbf yeah I was always jealous that I was the only kid in my elementary that couldn’t walk home even though I lived 4 blocks away. My parents were extremely overprotective so I vowed that I wouldn’t be. Am I even allowed to raise independent kids anymore?
I never walked home, to far, about 5 miles. But my parents let me ride my bike home a few times and would let be ride my bike down a few blocks to go to a friends. I wasnt a caged child, but i also wasnt allowed to go do whatever i wanted. I really think my parents were either amazingly good at parenting, or just lucky, or maybe even a mixture of both.
Free range parenting is interesting. In Japan there's a somewhat unspoken but known tradition of "Baby's first Errand" where usually around 4~6 a child is sent out to do their first errand or even trip. They'll be sent anywhere from down the street to buy something from the store to sent alone on the bullet trains all the way to their grandparents house in another prefecture. Now usually it's tradition for mom's to be like a block away secretly watching them but the whole point is that many of these kids, once they're shown that they can independently complete their task, will then be expected to repeat it. Many students by the first grade of elementary are expected to go to school alone, some walking, some taking buses, some even navigating early morning trains. It's not uncommon to see little 8~10 year olds all by themselves on the train out having adventures or going to cram school on the weekends. And thinking back to my own childhood, running around until the sun went down by myself outside in the woods I think "yeah... Why would you not?" Statistically children are kidnapped by someone they know. And considering the general level of violence in the USA we've well learned that there is nowhere safe for kids, not at home, not at school, not anywhere. Might as well let them feel a fleeting sense of responsibility and security that may give them the actual skills to save their own lives than put them in an ineffective bubble that does nothing anyway. Instead of blaming the parents for not being able to do the impossible of shielding kids from the world why not collectively make the world a better place or prepare kids for that world.
I was taught that feminism is equality i.e. you ladies get the steering wheels to your lives. If you want to be a stay at home mother, a career woman, a stripper, weed dealer, police officer *WHATEVER* you should have the chance and mutual respect. Period.
Mmmm... I only have one problem with your statement. Society has a different reaction to stay at home moms than stay at home dads. That's inequality, isn't it?
I'll react differently to someone being a weed dealer or a stripper than if they are a stay at home parent or police officer. That is regardless of gender. Everyone gets a minimum of respect but your choices and actions will lead to your own individual outcomes.
Ryan Swanson too bad it used to be something good Until 1961 when it suddenly changed to taking “power” from men And revenge That’s all it is now And oppressing women
Free-range parenting is..how can I put this....... I have a neighbor that raises chickens in a pen. They watch them as they roam around the property during the day for a short period time as they ate. Another neighbor lets them roam all the time, day and at night. Aka free-range chickens. These chickens were the happiest, healthiest, and quite frankly just better overall chickens despite being the same type as the pen ones. They were all killed one night by some coyotes. Free-range parenting still requires you to be a parent and not just let them roam free at dangerous times. The same neighbor got more chickens, but prevented them from roaming too far or at night. Census is to establish how many people there are. Not to determine if they should be their to begin with.
Amethyst Spark ... You forgot the part about determining how many seats in Congress a state gets. Illegals in CA are screwing every other state out of political influence if they are counted in the census.
incorrect. congregational seats and such are determined by how many people live there, not how many citizens. remember that no n every non-citizen is here illegally.
I think free range parenting is a good idea for the most part. It depends on the type of neighborhood the family lives in. I take my little brother with me on walks all the time, but if you live in a shitty area then that's not the best idea.
Regarding "Free-range children", I myself was a "free-range child" growing up. I almost never was given a ride to school by my parents, not becuase they wanted me to walk, but becuase they couldn't afford to take me. So, I would either walk, ride my bike, or take the bus. While I did feel like my parents didn't give me enough attention becuase of this, especially my Mom when she was a single mother, I will admit that I had learned a lot of valuable lessons in life from walking to and from school every day. Also, my parents weren't neglectful, they were just poor and it was hard for them raising 5 children, so I can't really complain about that.
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What about Men's Health? If Cosmopolitan is exploitative then the same shouldn't be applied to magazines that feature muscular men shirtless on their cover?
I think the decision was influenced more so by the captions on the cover eg. "how to drive him wild with these 10 fruity sex tricks"... Than the cover photos. I'm not entirely sure though.
Um Cosmo is not about sexual exploitation. It’s about female empowerment. They have been pretty vocal about rape survivors, speaking out against domestic violence, and other issues women face. Just because women like and want good sex doesn’t make them victims of sexual exploitation. Women on the cover are adults and chose to be on the cover. If Walmart wants to remove them magazine, fine but don’t pretend it’s for the “women”.
Anne Marie Richards kind of agree but I think the culture of women as sex objects isn't criticized enough. Like, as a woman you will get paid more if you regularly wear makeup, because apparently that's important to our job performance??? I see both sides
I was think of abortions and women’s health issues to be honest. I’m not a feminist AT ALL. But cosmo isn’t objectifying women, people on the covers are aware of what’s in the magazine and how they are dressed.
gm I don't think the magazine is objectifying women but I'm glad it won't be in the checkout anymore. I really don't like kids gabbing to be bombarded by see everywhere they look. It's only natural that at some point they'll be curious and that's all good but having sexual content literally everywhere you shop is exhausting and tells your subconscious that it's the most important thing. I love feeling sexy and I've bought the magazine and I would again because it's fun but I'm glad it's one less thing being pushed.
Anne Marie Richards I'm fine with them being removed, they're a trash magazine that often exploits male sexuality while 'empowering' women's sexuality.
On the 'free-range parenting' thing, in live in the UK and I had no idea what 'free-range parenting' was before now because Ive never heard of it before. In the UK its totally not uncommon for kids go out to the park, walk home from school, go around the area on bikes, go to shops and be home alone with younger siblings, all under the age of 10. I find it really interesting and a bit shocking that in the US that could be illegal because its really normal here and with the rest of Europe.
Because its far more dangerous there, than in the UK, I dare you to travel alone in Mexico. You just cant compare your experience with theirs. If you leave your wallet on the table here in Europe then most likely it will be stolen, but in Japan nobody will even touch it and that is considered normal there. So its useless comparing, you need to do reseach on if that country is safe or not. We in Europe are even far more sheltered than those in the US, consider yourself lucky that you dont need to worry about anything when the goverment babysits you.
I think I'm confused about the issue with the Census question. If these forms, once completed, resulted in large scale targeting of undocumented illegals, then yes, it absolutely is concerning. However, to get a best idea of what the status of our population is, we should both collect this data and largely (as much as possible) disassociate the data collected from the identity of the individual providing it. If we successfully separate the identity from the specific data, then no person has any need to fear the repercussions of complete honesty. Furthermore, I am curious about how it is illegal or unconstitutional to request information on citizenship. I know I am making my ignorance known here, but I seriously would like to understand this better. I know that laws against discrimination have been passed that prohibit the unfair treatment based on age, sex, gender, religion, or ethnic background, but you find all these questions on the census forms...so why not citizenship status?
Jared Clemence People always forget that illegal immigrants are not protected under our constitution. So no it is not illegal or discriminatory to ask if you are a citizen.
Tony Lee except you're wrong. Most people think only citizens are protected by the Constitution, but in actuality lawyers/judges/court cases have decided that most of, if not all, of the Constitution applys to anyone on US soil. www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/mar/29/florida-immigrant-coalition/do-undocumented-immigrants-have-constitutional-rig/
The census is to determine population, not citizenship. Population and/or residency tabulations are used to determine representation in Congress and federal aid for things like infrastructure and education. There is no valid reason to question your citizenship to determine your residency.
My brother and I were raised by a single mom. When I was 8 and my brother was 6 she had to take a second job. She’s a great mom, and her leaving us alone wasn’t her being a bad parent, it was the only option she had. She taught us how to be safe. We knew what to do in an emergency, we knew not to answer the door when she wasn’t home. She taught us that it’s okay to be rude and say no to an adult, especially if you don’t know them. Or even if you do know them and they’re making you uncomfortable. We got ourselves up in the morning, made ourselves simple meals, and to and from school safely. You want to protect your kids from all the bad stuff out there but you can’t shelter and hide them forever. People need to learn how to be people.
The script Glover posted to twitter was NOT a real script. It was something he wrote after the cancellation occurred, possibly to get people excited and show the people who cancelled the production they had made a mistake.
Giovanni Love it's true. The references in the script are filled with very current events. Like the last male white rhino dying. It's not possible for it to be the actual script for the last episode.
Giovanni Love One of the pages of the script literally talks about the show being cancelled. Another talks about Beyonce getting bit by another celebrity. That story broke this Monday while FX officially announced that Deadpool had been canned last Saturday. Which means the script was written after those events had already occurred.
You missed the best lines in the screenplay: "for the people watch--_reading_ this..." and (something to the effect of "maybe Freeform will take this" 😂 Glover is next-level petty. This was a _direct_ shot at his cancellation.
I almost died & went to nerd heaven when he was saying Donald Glover was part of a deadpool tv show?! But then he went & told me the truth AND WHAT PHIL?! I'D GOTTEN SO FRICKIN EXCITED?!
I feel as if the "free range parenting" thing is a mixed bag for me, I believe personally that it depends on the area you live in, via crime rate and such.
Yeah I agree, that’s what I was thinking. It depends on the area and crime rate. I would walk to school all the time from middle school through high school. It’s not a simple thing our neighborhood has gotten more dangerous. There’s been cases of kids getting ran over by speeding drivers, even in school zones. The transportation here sucks. Public bus takes 30 to 45 min or more on weekdays to pass. Our temperatures in the summer reach 120F. I remember starting to see spots and collapsing one really hot summer that I was coming back walking from school. I think it should be up to the parent. They shouldn’t get punished if they let their kid out. It just sucks when they go out and cause trouble.
My parents both basically gave me the free-range lifestyle growing up, and I feel blessed. Although bad things can happen, we shouldn't punish kids and parents for the actions of the evil, instead punish the evil more, fix that problem...
It's weird how they cite the 14th amendment because I was sure our constitution only applied to citizens. And the census question applies to *everyone* anyway, so no would be exempt from having to answer that question. What a weird and stupid thing to use a defense against this new census.
Pebkio Nomare thats were you would be wrong our constitution protects anyone on us soil whether they are citizens or not supreme court has ruled this time after time
Then how do you explain immigration laws? Those don't apply to everyone equally so, if we say that the constitution protects everyone on U.S. soil than they aren't constitutional. By your estimation. Which, now, seems very obviously inaccurate.
On top of that, I can't find any clause or sub-clause of the 14th amendment that could be used as an argument against the change, specially considering that it specifically address citizenry. Unless, for some reason, they think they can expand the due process clauses to encapsulate the entirety of the amendment, including the parts that are explicitly stated to be applied to CITIZENS. But, I find that to be too absurd.
I understand the concerns about the Census question with regards to immigrants. That said, I recently engaged in some family geneology projects and nearly every census had some question regarding country of origin and I found it incredibly helpful in acertaiing where my family came from. I don't know if such benefits can overcome concerns about under reporting but I'm sure at diffrent times in our history diffrent immigrant groups probably shared similar concerns.
That didn't stop Simba from reclaiming his throne-...wait, gender swapped the Lion King (Queen) would do the trick. Or at the very least, a similar story.
why should the government not be allowed to find out how many illegal immigrants are in its borders? it is useful info that will shape policy. Its no surprise states like NY and Ca oppose it, politicians from those states are elected primarily for shilling for those demographics. If illegal immigration isn't a serious issue lets find out the real numbers in 2020
Thats what im thinking. If theyre are a certain number of illegal immigrants here then maybe thatll be the kick in the pants for the government to actually change how you become a citizen. I think states like california and new york should have very little impact on this. Theyre only trying to secure illegal votes.
Chundyer no you wouldn’t which is the point! Why should the state provide funding for people who came here illegally? Too many states get funding for welfare that illegals live off of when they come here which is what this new census would help stop.
Who is suing these parents?? America is weird , everyone is so concerned about other people 's parenting style. Unless it is about abuse, mind your own business !
Logan Smith thanks for clearing that up , but aren't they being reported by other people to authorities? My issue is not with every case and I believe that every parents have the right to raise their kid as they want to, as long as its not abuse and that society should stop being so judgemental.
Being reported by their neighbors, yeah. If I were letting my kid walk to school I'd be more worried about some shitty neighbor reporting me than about a child predator. Crime is at historic lows and it only keeps dropping.
I used to walk home from school when I was 5. I was accompanied by dozens of other kids. We looked out for each other. We knew about strangers and my mother had already had the safety talk with me by then. I walked to and from school in 3rd and 4th grade...and up until high school. We spent HOURS outside with out supervision...riding bikes, playing in the park, exploring the woods , visiting the local pool. As an adult I noticed less and less kids walking to school, playing outside. Even when their school/park was only a block or two away. It's sad. Teach them to be safe. Communicate with your kids.
If I was a parent, I wouldn't be as concerned about some creep grabbing my kid or something like that. I'd be worried about the other kids who are total jackasses who are also unsupervised. Kids can be complete psychopaths to each other when adults aren't around. Thats far more likely than some random dude trying to get my kid.
Letting kids be psychopaths to each other is a crucial part of socialization. Kids need to know what it's like to hurt and be hurt or else they become stunted in their development of empathy. Nothing makes an awkward narcissist like sheltering a kid from rough and tumble play. th-cam.com/video/qPoI68mRZF4/w-d-xo.html
Noah Keyes You clearly don't understand what I mean by "kids being psychopaths to each other". I don't mean your regular rough and tumble play. I mean cases of bullying and excessive violence. Teaching empathy works when there is someone to teach it to them. Without punishment of psychopathic behavior (or reinforcement of empathetic behavior) the child can become cruel in their behavior towards other children. Leaving a child alone who has not been taught to be empathetic with other children can lead to disaster. There's a lot more to it then Jordan Peterson explains in this short video. I'm not saying protect your kids all the time, but violence when under supervision is different from violence without. The latter can be far worse.
Then the psychopathic behavior that you're you're describing is because of a critical lack of unsupervised, rough and tumble play when they were younger. It's a problem caused by being overprotective that forces parents to continue being overprotective.
Jaz but it’s important to remember that kids don’t get a day in the way they are patented, but they are the ones who could be put at risk. People are thinking about them, I think.
Put at risk of what exactly? We're at a 51 year lull in crime and if the modern millenial is any example, then we need to make sure that kids learn the importance of independence and responsibility, or we're all going to be screwed in a couple generations.
Femsplainer I mean a lull in crime doesn’t mean there is none, but I’m not disagreeing with you. I think it depends where you are. In a rural area I would say fine, but I don’t think letting a kid run around Detroit or NYC all by themselves is a good idea. Crimes aren’t the only thing that puts kids in danger. There’s also things like traffic or animals that could be problems, and just because you tell a kid to look both ways or not play with strays doesn’t mean they’ll listen. Kids can be kinda dumb.
At some point you have to breach that barrier and they will have to make their first trip alone somewhere, and use a sharp knife, and so on. You are making a general case that by extension would lead to extensive agoraphobia. Adults can be pretty dumb too. There are plenty of adults that don't look both ways and get hit by cars (uber self driving car case in point), attacked by animals, accidentally cut themselves with a sharp knife, or become the victims of crimes, etc. As such you're never at an age when you are 100% safe to engage in dangerous activities, and yes, some will be harmed or die in the process. It is an inescapable truth that kids will die or be harmed, even if you are a helicopter parent. Besides, helicopter parenting can have it's own drastically negative consequences as well, but they aren't as easy to point to as the aftermath of a kid being hit by a car. Also, it's very cold to say this, but it's true that the one kid that dies from running out into the street and getting hit serves as a very strong reinforcement mechanism for the other kids for exactly why they need to look both ways. That level of behavioral reinforcement cannot be learned through any other way than through tragedy unfortunately. Obviously, I'm not saying it's good that a kid dies so that others can learn a very strong lesson, just pointing out that it's how I learned and now always look both ways out of reflex. The March for our Lives crowd would have us believe that being a student in a public school puts them at higher risk of death by school shooter, which is true. So wouldn't the logical conclusion to your stance be that we disallow kids going to schools? After all, you are unlikely to die from a school shooter if you don't go to school. I don't think you actually hold that idea, but there are others out there that are starting to entertain it. My stance is to teach them young and they will be more responsible at every stage of development and life in general. I was walking home since the first grade and riding the city bus to middle school, and I grew up in an area that wasn't exactly rural and crime free, to put it mildly, and I am much better for it. The only way you can learn street smarts and common sense, is to be exposed to the world and make mistakes, get scared and recognize that the world can be very dangerous, and correct your behaviors accordingly. If we don't allow kids to do that until they are practically adults, then they will never develop those skills properly because the brain lose plasticity as we age. A parent secretly following their kid on their first several outings 'alone' is a reasonable compromise I think.
Femsplainer I see where you’re coming from, and I agree that kids can get hurt no matter what. I think age also plays a big part for me. For some reason in my head I always picture 6-8 years olds when I think of free-range parenting, which I think are mostly too young to fully understand the dangers of the world. After that I’m a lot less worried. You make fair points though
i played around my neighborhood and went to my neighborhood park as young as 7 and it helped shaped me into the respectable person i am today, it should be up to the parent to decide when the child is ready to roam on their own. exploring the bike trails and such near my park with friends was some of the best memories we ever had and we never had cell phones in case of emergency
Hard to believe a law had to be passed to let kids play in the neighborhood park without an adult attached at the hip. It's sad to me that this bubble wrapped kids culture has taken hold. It robs so many kids of imo the best parts of childhood. The days I spent exploring my hometowns parks and wooded areas as a >7 year old alone or with my friends were some of the best days of my life.
Can we all just appreciate the Donald Glover shade... ahahaha.
That shoulder flaring up again?
If they removed cosmo from asiles... They should also remove conspiracy theory magazines. Alex Jones is bad enough online, we don't need it in our faces while checking out so they can inspire ignorant anti science based people
Cosmo - Never read it, probably won't ever. Then again, that's not super surprising, Cosmo isn't really targeting 30 year old males. My take is, however, it's a pre-emptive move by Walmart to assuage the ever increasing rise of puritanical pearl clutcher's. It's very encouraging that we're reverting back to 1900's and earlier, ways of thought. Are there beautiful women on the covers constantly, yeah...but I'm pretty sure my chances with those women are 0, so...who cares? It's a disappointing move, though, I feel like it's a part of a 'creep' against women being able to do as they please. Cover up ladies, no showing shoulders, or arms, or anything above the ankle. There might be kids watching!
Planned Parenthood - I'm sorry, can we just allow kids to be kids...for awhile. Before the soul-crushing experience of life grinds away at their very existence and they realize how shitty the world can be? I'm not talking about sheltering them, per-se, but fucks sake, can they enjoy a cartoon or a movie without being subjected to some of the most extremely sensitive and complex debates in our society? Shouldn't make a difference, but I'm pro-choice, and yeah, not sure I think it's super appropriate or even healthy to try and explain to kids that sometimes parents choose to not have a child. What's next? An intense conversation with a pre-teen about what a Dialation and Currettage is?
Philip DeFranco welp that question in the census just ensures that ICE gets to have more targets.
You NEVER go full Lena Dunham!
ElyssaAnderson needs to be a shirt 😂
ElyssaAnderson Neva Eva
That needs to be a shirt tbh loll
Even if you went 1/4 of Lena Dunham it is very far
You never go 1/8 Lena Dunham.
Though I would probably not let my kids walk to and from school at age 7, I find it bizarre that its called "neglect".
Psych IRL I guess it depends slightly on where you live. But there's no way I'm dropping my kids off and picking them up 5 days a week. I'll buy them a bike, like my parents did
I think they mean neglect in the legal sense. Neglect occurs when someone has a duty of care (such as a parent to supervise a child) and has breached that duty in some way that causes harm to the person they owed the duty to. Basically the parent was ruled responsible for their child and making sure they get to school safely and the parent didn't do that.
But I agree, it is bizarre.
I agree, 7 seems a bit young to me but I wouldn't judge anyone else.
I think it all depends on where you live. I lived in a small town and lived near the school so I would walk home everyday from 1st grade onward. The school didn't allow kindergartners to walk home alone but once you got to first grade as long as you had permission from your parents you could walk home. It would've been very different had we lived in an actual city.
rajesh koothrappali "No way I'm dropping off and picking up my kids 5 days a week"
Sounds like you shouldnt be in charge of kids. What's next, "I dont want to cook for my 7 year old, I'll teach them how to make their own food and they can talk with their teachers in my place at Parent-Teacher conferences.
Why become a parent if you arent willing to be a decent parent, at the very least.
This "free range" parenting stuff blew my mind, because I grew up in a tiny town in Norway, and I walked alone to school, a 30 minute walk, in snow storms when I was 7. No one blinked an eye, it is normal.
KittenSaysRawr I actually live in Utah now. There are a lot of young kids out all the time. As a community we “all” watch out for the children. My kids are way more independent and responsible than my nieces and nephews that are not allowed to go anywhere by themselves in Cali.
I will preface this with saying that I believe in the idea that you are promoting, however, just because no one blinked an eye doesn't mean its "ok" or "normal". I realize that this is an extreme example, but about 200 years ago slavery was considered ok and was the norm.
The new law says that it is legal for “kids to walk to school alone or play outside without supervision”. So basically what most parents did when I was growing up in the 80’s and 90’s?
yep. or currently in Japan. the Japanese really let their kids roam around without a parent micromanaging.
yeah, I think we might be around seven and we could be outside w/o anyone? and the best swing set was around the block so mum even could not see us from the window X"D
Because they are a bunch of similar people who don't need to worry about "diversity".
Why were parents walking to school and playing outside without supervision in the 80s and 90s?
Perhaps if your parents hadn't neglected you, then you would be able to construct sentences :^)
Wow. I didn't even know having your kid walk alone home from school was child neglect. When did that come in to play? My brother and I were fine with walking to school and back. We knew nearly every one on our block and would meet up with the other kids. We would also ride our bikes to each other's houses and play out in the field. As long as I had a friend with me, I was allowed to do these things.
On Free-range Parenting:
In Japan it is completely normal to see an elementary schoolkid walking home alone, both in small and large cities.
Focusing on actual safety is better than on safety via isolation and/or excessive supervision.
True, but, in Japan, it's normal that if you drop you wallet, it will still be there when you come back an hour later--at least, according to some people I know.
The society is just very different.
Forgot my phone in a curry house and it was still there several hours later when I called them about it. Great country :D
Japan is an execption thou seriouly they only had one gun related death there last year do you seriously expect us to compete with that?
It's not just Japan, I'm from Paraguay (a third-world country) and kids are playing, taking the bus, walking from their schools and playing outside. Yes, maybe it's a third-world country, but it should be legal to let kids go out and enjoy themselves!
I think what many people fail to take into consideration regarding overprotective parenting is that not only are parents terrified of something tragic happening to their child, but they also run the risk of being "blamed" for said tragedy if we, the internet, deem they were a little too lax with their supervision. Did we all forget what happened with Harambe? Over 400,000 people signed a petition calling for the three year old boy's parents to be held accountable for Harambe's death due to "lack of supervision and negligence" and further stated that the parents should be investigated because they believed the incident at the zoo is potentially "reflective of the child's home life". And that isn't even looking into all the individual cases of complete strangers spitting vitriolic and even violent comments at the parents. And before any of you say, "well that child was only three, we're talking about school-age children", please remember that many children start kindergarten at age four, which would make this child potentially less than one year away from being trust into this "free range" environment we see in the Japanese culture.
I walk my 6 year old sister to her school everyday and im not going to let her walk alone until she is older.i have this mindset because my 14 year old sister was almost kidnapped when an old man she didnt know grabbed her and tried to pull her into his car almost 2 blocks from our house. So i personally dont think its overprotective to walk your kids to school. But it is stupid that some were punished for it.
If Walmart wants to protect the children. They should start by removing check out candy. Kidd's ain't looking at Cosmo they looking at that candy.
This is true! I think Cosmo wasn't selling enough so they needed a valid excuse to take it off the shelves or too many fat Feminists were yelling that they are getting sexually abused by it some how.
nothings actually wrong with candy the saying you'll get hyper is false sugar actually doesn't do anything its you saying that
Maria Kotter Sorry, but this sounds like an excuse to not educate your child or be an involved parent. If you think kids going to elementary school don't talk about sex these days, you're an idiot. Teach your damn kids and stop trying to shield them. I am tired of parents blaming literally everything else for why their kid is the way they are. We have had risque magazines at check out lines for how many years now? It's suddenly a problem why? You realize kids look at far worse on their phones, right? Disney channel is rampant with young girls wearing scantily clad clothing. Cartoons have shit tons of adult humor as well. Where does it stop? When will parents take responsibility for teaching their children good values and educating them about self-worth, dignity and integrity?
i agree even though i'm only 18 o3o
Yes, how many times are you talking about birds and the bees with your kids? Why are your kids so obsessed? Think about how you're framing things maybe, you or your environment must be the problem Maria. They should be capable of finding a shitload of other things cooler.
Let me preface by saying that I am not American so I don't know all the rules and laws you guys have. That being said, I still don't really understand what the big deal is about the census and citizenship. You are either in a country legally or you are not. If you are citizen, you answer the question, no problem. If you are not a citizen but you have appropriate documentation (ie work visa, student visa, etc), you answer the question, no problem. If you are not a citizen and/or you do not have appropriate documentation, then you shouldn't be there, and you shouldn't be filling out the census.
TheShawn006 this is a very logical argument. I like it.
The free range parenting is really nothing more than a fancy phase to describe how most of us over the age of 40 were brought up when we were kids. If anything, crime has gone down since the 70s and 80s but the 24 hour news cycle, the internet and activists have everyone convinced its more dangerous to be a kid today than it was back then. In most cases, it's probably safer today.
Yeah it’s just because it’s reported more on social media a lot so therefore the public thinks it happens a lot even though crime has gone down over time.
Dan & Jen Nevada your generation was the generation that raised my generation, which has been conditioned to fear everything.
Dan & Jen Nevada - Its why that in general, our kids are not as mature as they used to be. No experience with making decisions and overcoming adversity.
I kind of had Free Range parenting too.
My friends and I as kids use to walk miles to and along a pump cannal to fish, crawfish, or just to go play . It was just how us kids were raised back then I can't imagine having to be have been watched by a parent or having to stay home at all times.
You never go full Lena Dunham
Thats a thing he said haha so funny
Truth be told, even half Lena Dunham is still unhealthy.
Shes's the grossest female alive.
That’s what my gf always complains to me after sex
Too bad Lena Dunham mom didn't get an abortion.
Bro, im not even trying to be a free range adult in the USA.
Seage Speaks lol so true !
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Arrested for letting a 10 and 7 year old walk home from school?! Holy crap.
They were not arrested. They were accused of child neglect.
I remember coming home from school alone at 7, making something to eat then going out to the park and stuff with both my parents and maybe not seeing him/her until like 8 or 9pm after getting out at 3:30 Obviously its not as dangerous in the uk or europe but still if there wasn't such a big deal about it in the US im sure it would be normal.
Obviously its not as dangerous in the uk or europe but still if there wasn't such a big deal about it in the US im sure it would be normal.
Nice joke mate. Ever been in Europe?
What Phillip said: "a Maryland couple was accused of neglect after they let children, ages 10 and 6, walk home without adult supervision."
What Niamh heard: "Arrested for letting a 10 and 7 year old walk home from school"
Holy crap indeed, bean.
@Doubtful Guest, I was connecting three statements/pieces of information. (1) Phil says: "...in other states where parents were being investigated, they were being arrested for allowing their kids to do things alone. In 2015, a Maryland couple was accused of neglect after they let their children, ages 10 and 6, walk home without adult supervision...", (2) while he was saying this, the news article that had popped up read: "Silver Spring parents CHARGED with child neglect after allowing kids to walk home alone." and (3) the next story was about a Florida mom who was ARRESTED after letting her 7 year old walk to the park alone.
The second story clearly involved a 7 year old and a parent being arrested. The first story used the term "charged" when referring to the parents of the 10 and 6 year old walking home. Since it used the term "charged" and Phil had just mentioned parents being arrested, and the story right after it had a parent being arrested, yes, I interpreted that to mean that the parents of the 10 and 6 year olds were also arrested (and yes, I said 7 year old and not 6 year old, my bad).
I've never seen someone buy a magazine.
Not even MAD?
Tom Foolery I’ve bought one magazine in my life (recently actually) online and my bank found that so weird they froze my bank account due to suspicious purchases; so yeah no one really buys magazines
I like National Geographic tbh. Guess I’m weird..
I'm surprised that magazines are still alive today. Waste of paper tbh
I get magazines in the mail for free.
FOR FREE
As a child who grew up in this hyper-protective world, I think I was not allowed to experience being a kid. I could not play outside alone, without an adult, until I was about 10 this made it so other neighborhood kids would refuse to let me play with them because they didn't want a parent around. My friends would ask me to go places, bike to the park, bike to the strip mall 1/2 a block away and I was not allowed to until about 13. Nor was I allowed to go to friends houses if my mom deemed them "too dangerous" i.e. they lived in an apartment and were slightly less well-off than we were. I lost a lot of friends, and by the time I was allowed to go with and they had cars I only had 1 friend who was willing to do anything with me, and I was terrified the whole time I was out anywhere.
I know I was safe, and I know why my mom did this now but in the long term, it created more psychological damage than anything. I learned to be afraid of the world, every adult was a drug-addict murderer, other kids my age were beneath me, I should not associate with those who have poor financial situations, going to someone's house is a death sentence unless I know them super well, my mom is a person to be feared and I need her permission to do anything. I never learned how to be independent, I never learned social skills, I never learned how to make friends, and I never learned who I was as a person until I started college.
I agree with the lawmakers on the issue, but I think this is a social problem more than a legal one. Should provisions be put in place to prevent parents from getting charged with this? maybe. But as a society, we should NOT punish the kids for wanting to learn how to be kids because of the shortcomings in the legal system, the government, the police, and mental health services to catch and identify predators to children. If your neighborhood is not safe enough for a child to walk to the park it is not the fault of the parent or the child, it is the fault of your community.
I feel sorry for that! When I was growing up I could play outside alone or with neighborhood kids from I think age 5 or so onward, but would have to be back for like lunch and similar. However, after ages 7 and up we would just have to be home in the evening. That was it. Also, kids go to school on their own in the first grade and pretty much everyone does it that way (although first grade here is at age 7).
It feels really weird for me to look at the US or a bunch of other western countries and think that kids there weren't allowed to do things on their own.
ItsJustEddie Sadly you're the type of kid that ends up becoming a criminal. You never had to learn to interact in the real world so lose your shit when something isnt as you thought.
Not saying you are a bad person. But when the so called "rules" arent as you thought, why should you follow any rules? If they are all doing things you were taught were wrong, why wouldnt you do something else that was wrong? So if you were taught at home that being gay was bad wrong etc Also taught rape was bad wrong etc. Then you go out in the real world you see gay people being openly gay and only a small amount of people calling them out. Then hear there are all these rapes and only a certain bunch of people are calling them out. Then why wouldnt you assume that raping is ok and being gay is ok and it is only bigots who have a problem with it. You can say blah blah blah illegal not illegal blah blah. But a teenager doesn't go wow Im allowed to go to the park by myself I best head to a law library and study every single law and amendment which applies to the area in which I am now allowed to explore by myself.
I didnt read any of these comments
Unfortunately I went through like the exact same thing. My parents didn't even want me walking around our neighborhood on my own when I was in high school. And we lived in a safe, middle - upper middle class neighborhood. I was never a allowed to go to sleep overs, ride in a car w/ someone my age driving, go to friends houses unless my parents knew them really well (like your parents, mine thought the other parents could be dangerous), wasn't allowed to have a phone until like the end of high school... etc. I also think it really hurt my social life. I am in college now, but definitely don't act like an adult and I had like no friends in high school and still have like no friends.
"Free Range Parenting" is not a new concept, I was taught how to ride the subway alone at about 8 or 9 so I could get to my mom or aunt in an emergency, letting children roam a neighborhood wasn't an issue until the 2000's specifically after 9/11. People nees to teach their children how to be independent they won't be kids forever, they need to know how to spot risks and take care of themselves in the real world. With the advances in technology you can track your kid, you can call them, when I was younger that technologhy didn't and your parents only knew something was wrong if you missed the street lights.
Carlotta Young
exactly! Children in Chicago learn to take public transportation by themselves because if they don’t, many of them wouldn’t be able to go to school since their parents work all day.
That's true. Other than in the seriously dense parts of cities its actually easier to keep track of your children now with all the technology available. Before you would have to make calls to a few neighbours by landline to ask if anyone saw a child, even in sub-urban or rural areas. Now they can roam around with you knowing their exact position with a touch of a button.
+Mal Whal
World aint any more dangerous now than it was when I was a kid. And I was walking home alone and going to the park alone when I was 9 or 10. There's a difference between protecting your child and being a helicopter parent.
Word. I walked to school since I was in First grade. I woke myself up for the bus when we moved. This was in the 80s and 90s.
3/10 people on Earth are rapists and hate dogs. Now are you okay with letting your kids run around outside?
Why are people mad about the “free range parenting” law becoming a thing? It’s not like the law says you HAVE to adopt “free range parenting” in your own home. It just allows those who believe in that style of parenting to do so without fear of CPS being called on them. You can still helicopter parent your child into a defenseless and sheltered human who won’t feel safe or prepared to move out on their own until they are well into their 30’s.
Thats what I was thinking. this should free-up CPS. They constantly have to step in when some busybody calls them.
It's because kids are dumb, and they make terrible decisions like ride there bikes in front cars at the last minute, or throw rocks at things to see if they break. Kids don't listen to other adults these days like they used so I don't want to live with a bunch of unattended little people just doesn't sound like a good idea.
Fearing that CPS will get called on them is paranoia... there were a few cases here and there, but charges were dropped in those cases. People are mad because it's not about whether you can do it with your own kids, it's about concern for other's people's kids who rely on their parents to protect them who may be neglectful.
Hi, as a person who lives here, it sucks because you already have sexual predator laws that are not enforced. Next, we have a rampant problem with child brides, polygamist groups, and several dozen parents who use our national parks as punishment time out zones for hours to days yearly. It is so common place it rarely even makes headlines here that we are searching for another kid dropped off in the mountians. We have a huge issue with neglect that is protected as religious in nature. All of these are just ignored until the federal government steps in or it exceeds 3 years of tax issues.
Also, it doesn't free up CPS at all. Most CPS calls are drug based here, as religious freedom barriers are in place for most sexual, or physical abuse. Seriously, bishops and Stake presidents explode if you go to law enforcement before them. Emotional abuse is rarely ever pursued here, as it is considered okay and even encouraged to tell your daughters their sole purpose is to be baby makers and tell your sons their lives are so let to continue their fathers beliefs and practices and pursuing anything else is grounds to being locked in a room.
So no, the reason there is people upset is because living here you get to watch a man groom an 11 year old to wed and it is considered okay. You get to see a scout leader who is known to fondle 8 year old boys go on yet help a kid build a pinewood derby car, you see a 5 year old with bruises across their legs and arms and you just have to let it go because their parents are part of the bishopric or practice quiverfull and that makes it what the parents do acceptable.
It is not just helicopter parents upset about this law, it is just people tired of finding lawmakers saddle kids with more accountability then the adults around them.
Figster It's funny how people talk like kids these days are stupid (and yes they make stupid decisions) because they aren't like we used to be but still refuse to allow them to be raised like we were. Yep I'm pretty sure we were stupid too. The difference is that we were made to learn and didn't habe issues and all decisions made for us
Walmart only changed the location because the magazine wasn't selling as well as item "X" could according to their data; then some savvy PR person found a way to spin their increased sales into a "progressive cause" and get free marketing for it.
Carcaine facts
I always wonder if this was the situation with getting rid of Grid Girls in F1. I saw a lot of people claiming "PC culture gone mad!", but I don't really think outrage over Grid Girls could really effect F1 financially. Maybe they wanted to fire people to save money and put a progressive spin on it.
Yeah it was mostly an opportunity of timing. "Oh Cosmo is bad now? Well we were waiting for a reason to pull it from the shelf anyways."
I think "free-range parenting" is just normal older style parenting. kids should have the freedom to escape their parents and enjoy handling things on their own.
better yet, give you kid a big well-trained dog to protect them. even when i was like 10 my mom would let me walk for miles in the woods as long as i was carrying a two-way radio and had my dog with me.
I walked to kindergarten alone as a kid. I understand that maybe for a lot of people that might not be a good idea, but in the town of 800 I grew up in that was perfectly fine.
The thought of my parents been charged as criminals for letting me walk 3 blocks is rediculous.
Dude, what next grass feed kids?
I have an issue with a 9 year old on a subway by themselves but a short walk to school shouldn't be an issue
Walk to a park across Manhattan... No... Walk in a certain radious in a park... Yes...
Yeah except that when it happened in my day it was derogatively called having a "latchkey kid.' I came and went from my house as I pleased from the age of 9 and nobody ever thought I was being neglected. And I was raised in the '80s during the "Stranger Danger" panic bullshit.
Why the hell should any parent get fined for letting their kid walk to the park alone. Why should the government decided how parents raise their kids?
Child abuse is a thing.
Monty G because other parents can gossip on Facebook how great they are and how they had them reported.
MarvEllis thank you!
Are you suggesting that child abuse should be legal because it's just "the way they parent," or did you just construct your statement in a horribly vague and misleading manner.
MarvEllis it should be up to the parents to decide if they let their kids go alone. Not the government. Those that choose free range parenting shouldn't be punished.
It depends where you live. I live in a city. I dont even feel comfortable walking to my grocery store because of all the crime that happens daily in my area. But if I was back in my old farm town I would be more comfortable. Its the parents choice and judgment to decide if the area is truly safe enough to free-range their child.
Free range parenting just let's parents be parents; don't take anything out of context and the citizenship question is good. With that said, we need a disney princess who is written by Donald Glover.
We need a Disney Princess from the darkest timeline.
i don't really know who donald glover is, but i don't see why not
jiin6 Come on man, he's one of the most talented people in the world.
Ladypool? Deadpool in a tutu?
I think that would just be Deadpool in a tutu. He's not above that, ya know.
I see "Free range parenting" as just plain parenting, as opposed to helicopter parenting.
Same...saw this in the news and thought to myself: "This is just barely a thing?"
Funny part? I live in Utah!
Since about 3rd grade I have walked to and from school. I scootered with some friends into the actual city we lived in and went to a card shop. My parents taught me safety, and though, this popping up in the news does make me feel I took their trust in me and my freedom for granted, I am relieved that my parents weren't helicopter parents.
We need a disney princess that wants to just jump into it.
dementare Imagine there's a movie where a Princess is on the run from assassins. She flees the country to a country on a different continent, but she can't let anyone know who she is, where she's from, or anything.... or else the assassins will find her. She's still a princess, but she's changed her look, she has a new name... she's in hiding.
In that case, she would *also* happen to be an illegal immigrant.
How do you feel about that?
Do Illegal Immigrant Princesses turn into Welfare Queens?
Christ, Philly D's comment section is killing it today!
dementare how would you know that it’s not hard ? yeah it’s illegal immigration and it’s hard but if it’s so easy to become a citizen we wouldn’t have so many in a horrible position
dementare
What if she needs to fled a country but the threat is agaist her and few other ppl and no other country knows about the situation
If u escape the country but it is not recognised as a dangerous place by country u escape to they can't give u refugee status. They just *legally* send u back - and that is really scarry (that could be why many ppl are immigrants, not refugees)
dementare You're so *bold* dude hahaha...
I also hate immigrants, they're too *brown* .
*The reality is that it is inevitable to have negative experiences and if you deny kids experiences to grow and learn they may never become self reliant. We need to teach our children to be able to take care of themselves and then allow them the opportunity to try and fail or else we fail as parents and set them up for failure.*
"You just went full Lena Dunham, never go full Lena Dunham" 😂😂 If that can get past any legal altercations then this needs to be a shirt!
Hano Ali SECONDED!
I’d buy it just to put it on my wall.
Hano Ali I would wear that everywhere
BUT I WAS AFTER YOURS.
When I was growing up, “free-range parenting” was just called parenting.
Jay C Right? When I was in preschool I would ride the bus to preschool with my cousin who was four years older than me. She was around 8, I think, I was 4. Was never kidnapped
I started walking home by myself when I was around 4. So for me (a non-American) it was really strange to hear that it is illegal 😅
Jay C yep
Melanie Hochuli legit found this out today (American)
this is truly strange to me. im a teenager and have never rode a public bus, let alone riding one alone. i ride a school bus to school and up until i was about 13 there was always one parent at my bus stop. when i got into high school everything changed.
It sounds pretty much how I grew up... I remember being 11 and hanging out with a group of neighborhood kids between the ages of 6 and 13 and the older kids tended to keep an eye on then younger ones as we all played together.
Gatica I’m part of the “new generation” and I still do that!
Off topic but if your icon is your bunny, you have a beautiful bunny.
Same here. I don't think riding a subway alone was on the list of things we were allowed to do lol but we played probably up to a mile or so away from our house sometimes. I don't think I ever encountered anyone creepy and I was literally never at home back then.
That's also how I grew up my parents wouldn't let me play outside unless my older brother was with me he was 12 while I was 6. And if my brother wanted to hang out with his friends but I still wanted to play outside he would have to take me with him and I knew he hated having me around his friends but he never left me anywhere by myself or he'd follow me around while I explored. He had common sense and knew that I liked to wander off, He took care of me and watched me and so did his friends and they never let anything happen to me no matter how annoying I was because we all watched out for each other.
Gatica thank you!
My favorite cosmo cover was the one with Tommy Wiseau and his amazing article ''Anyway, how is your sex life?''.
When I was a kid in elementary school, in the early 90's, my mom would let me walk to the beach alone.
She would just say "dont get in the water" as she did not want me to swim unsupervised. So, I would go to the beach and stay out of the water.
But, she also told me not to play with my friend's pellet gun and I ended up shooting myself in the finger with it while she was at work and had the fire department almost break down my door when my friend called 911 because my finger wouldn't stop bleeding.
+1 Free Range Parenting
I live in Sweden and I have never heard of "free ranged parenting" even being a thing. Here it is completely normal to walk to school, to friends, to parks etc. (if the distance is short enough) as soon as you start school pretty much. So from age 6.
Lina Meander it's libtard nonsense.....basically to arrest parents for nothing
Yet Sweden is a very socially liberal country, so what has this to do with... nevermind, just shut up.
Lina Meander same here in the UK
Lina Meander mmMm
See, I don't agree with that entirely.
I think parents should supervise their children more: children ARE vulnerable.
That said, I don't think it should be illegal for them to not to to that degree.
My parents were the opposite of helicopter parenting. I was autonomous, walked to school. They let me cry as a kid. It made me a better adult! I have friends who are scared of everything. I think it’s a good thing, to a certain level. Doing things alone & having responsabilities is great! But i don’t know if i would let my tiny 7 year old play in a park alone. Mainly for security reasons. You know, they could hurt themselves or something.
inglourious basterds Agreed! There's a fine line between letting kids be independent and putting children in danger.
inglourious basterds We always hurt ourselves going to the park or going out we would go home with cuts and bruises but that's what childhood is these days it's sitting in the house on Xbox or tablet you know. I will agree tho that you can't just let your kids do anything there needs to be boundaries and discipline
inglourious basterds They let you cry? Sounds like neglect. If your kids starts crying and you dont know why, then you're a shitty failure, not a parent.
My mom has been a helicopter parents since I was a baby. Now I’ve turned 18 and she’s letting me have freedom. So I guess I’ve been raised with both. However, I have developed an anxiety disorder because she created this fear in me. But I understand it. My moms a paramedic and she’s seen all kinds of bad. But I think she’s realizing how damaged that fully was and now she’s trying to change it. So I guess most people need to find a healthy middle
Totally Not Stalin Not neglect. If i was crying because i was hurt or hungry, they would obviously come. But i was throwing a stupid tantrum or crying for no reason, they would leave me and go in the next room. I would stop in 5 seconds.
Cosmo is too sexy yet they have no problem promoting all those trashy gossip magazines that outright lie about celebrities? Because that makes a whole lot of sense.
Murica. We hate sex and nudity, but we love violence and looking down on celebrities!
The asshats* who run Wal-Mart just loooove the douchebags who own those rags, too.
It's the imaging, or I suspect because some group made a complaint and boycotting is now a trending hashtag.
Free-range parenting in so far as it allows children to develop some healthy life skills, but not so far that parents are no longer involved. I actually find it funny that it requires a label now. I'm only 20, but I would say 20 years ago, that's just how we were raised. Yes, I had to check with my parents to see if I was allowed to go to a friend's house, but no, they did not hold my hand all the way there and back. I biked to school and played outside all the time without supervision. It's not free-range, it's just natural.
Sophie Comrie 22 here...same thing for me. Only came home at night, and occasionally to eat dinner. Spent all day outside after getting done with school. Granted i lived in a pretty peaceful suburb and had a emergency cell phone at 12. We grew up in a special time. End of an era and the beginning of one at the same time.
Yup. You yell "CAN I PLAY OUTSIDE??" and they scream back "YEAH" as you run out the door.
I've been listening to you for years and "You never go full Lena Dunham" maybe my favorite quote from you of all time!! Lol
Same! I loled at that
"free range parenting" may be new to current generation in the west but look at developed country like Japan, even first graders go to school all by themselves.
Its a very good indicator to how safe it is for children and how
low the crime rates are in Japan.
What's really baffling is that I'm of the age these parents mush be, and I've never heard of this "you can't walk to school" bullshit. I walked the mile to school from 7, walked to the public bus stop and got a public bus to school 3 miles away from 8 and got myself on a train 10 miles to school from 11. Its really weird to think people are locking kids down like that, and especially that it sounds like the law was enforcing that weirdness. When I was about 7/8 I used to get up early and go get my dad his paper from the news agent. There was method in my madness - he'd give me a couple of pennies more than the paper was and I'd buy like 2 penny sweets lol. I wonder what the government of today would be more annoyed about: that I left my house unchaperoned or that I bought sweets as a kid?
Side note: can kids do chores these days?
"New to the west" speck for yourself Yankee
krishna kishor bhat yeah kids always walk to school in Japan but let's be honest we are a little far behind culturally than Japan
In Scotland my dad would be out of the house from 9am to 6pm by the age of 6, the rest of Europe is the same. It's definitely only an American thing.
It's safe for kids to go to school in most developed countries... besides the US.
Adding a Citizen question does not violate the 14th amendment. The amendment only refers to citizens to begin with and even specifies "all persons born or naturalized in the United States." If someone is not a citizen residing in the united states, why would the Census apply to them? They are not subject to the rights and privileges of United States citizens, so they should not be included in a census that is going to have impact on United States legislation.
The constitution protects everyone on American soil whether they are citizens or not.
A literal alien from the Andromeda galaxy could stay at maralago and be protected legally.
The constitution does afford some rights to illegal and legal non-citizens, however, I am talking about the 14th amendment, not the entirety of the constitution. The 14th amendment is not one of those rights granted to non-citizen, that is why i quoted the portion where it states "all persons born or naturalized in the United States."
MrMagicBanana honestly I think these representatives are just trying to keep their power rather than lose their illegal immigrants funding, but whether it is illegal or not, neither is or them can decide. We have to leave it to the courts on what the law actually says or not. I doubt it's illegal, but really we just have to leave it to the people who have spent their entire lives in that field.
Everyone was a "free range kid" where I grew up.
Please Phill I'm tired of jumping into the News my legs can't take any more!
Hav try crawling
But I can't jump if I crawl....
Hav you just have think of Phil no longer saying jump in but instead it's "let's just ___ (fill in blank with an action) in". So it could be roll, crawl, stomp, scamper, etc.
basically skip the intro lol
I feel like “free range parenting” can be good in small amounts. Let your kid walk home from school, educate them of the dangers and tell them what to do. Maybe not to the park a couple blocks away alone though. No need to be overprotective if you are at the park with your kid though either. Let them do their own thing and again, educate them. Let them make their own mistakes sometimes too don’t hold them back from falling (like on a bike or something) because then they will never learn to get back up.
Mei hello frozen devil
How is it in hell, Mei?
Why on earth would you not be walking home alone. I walked home alone or with friends from the age of 8. I'd also walk my wee brother and sister home from around 8 and then 10. Why would you not be walking home? Why would you need supervised for that? Other kids got the bus and train from 10/11 everyday on their own. You don't need to be supervised for that
Robert Cathcart it's easy to say that in a normal community or a state like Utah, but you cannot think the same way about young children in large metropolitan areas and surrounding cities.
Not everyone lives the same and not every child thinks the same either.
That sounds more reasonable.
Yer, I'm down for the whole free range parenting thing, but I would never let a 9 year old rise the subway by themselves, not cos I worried about paedophiles, but cos it's the fucking subway. They miss one stop, or get on the wrong train, how is a 9 year old supposed to sort themselves out?
Honestly you should never even go half Lena Dunham
Christopher Herrera 😂
Growing up, I would disappear for hours at a time @ 6 years old. Parents would kick me out of the house, and I would be outside all day. Different world.....
Dave J I'm 15 years old, and my mom won't even let me near a lit stove. I had to sneak behind her back with my dad to make cookies! I wish I was allowed out of the house, or able to walk alone.
Dave J
Now. DO NOT think as to why your parents wanted the house for themselves.
Don't
@Arty Theta They fuckin'.
Dave, same. Daylight to dusk I was wandering the woods or local neighborhood, not a worry in the world. I came home when I got hungry or it started to get dark, but I had a good sense of direction and my Dad was a local deputy. Not to mention I wasn't an idiot, I think it all depends on the situation, the kids Witt's, the parents teaching and the area you live in.
I walked to school everyday except for rainy days from the time i was 6 till i was out of school. Like others have said on weekends and during the summer.All the kids in the neighbor hood were outside from like 10 in the morning until the streetlights came on. We also dealt with issues like fighting with out involving parents.
After reading that headline I was so worried Donald Glover was being MeToo'd. You scared me... I'm still on high alert.
than217 me too I almost freaked
There's usually smoke around people who've been caught in that. I don't really think there's ever been someone mentioned in the MeToo movement that hasn't had something out there already. Some saw Kevin Spacey as a surprise, but Family Guy had an episode where Stewie runs through a mall screaming "Help! I've escaped from Kevin Spacey's basement". That aired in 2005. So there were already rumors about him. Donald by all accounts seems completely clean.
PhireBall I see what you did there
is the word you're looking for 'respectful' ?????
than217 He seems very... ask-permission-y and doesn't strike me as the type to ignore a woman's discomfort or her saying no. Seeming isn't knowing sure, but I'm hopeful he's a good guy.
In japan they have a time when they give their children a task like go to the store and buy something. These kids will have to take the subway and buses to get to the store, find the item, and come home by themselves. This instills responsibility and confidence in young children. Sometimes the parents will follow the child just to be sure, but some don’t. I think this an important part of growing since a child can find out more about themselves and the world around them and how to interact with it. I would also walk to and from school alone starting in elementary school. From my experience I don’t think it should count as neglect
Free range parenting .... yea we just called that my childhood from age 10 on
Ward Nightstone you can get arrested for letting your kids walk home? That walk home was a fantastic way for me to have freedom and convenient for my overworked mum
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"free range parenting" is just called "parenting" here. Here 3-4 year olds will play with only their older siblings (7-8) for supervision on the road. It gets pretty loud during the summer holidays :/ they love to blast music until near midnight.
This! Helicopter parenting is the worst thing you can do to your child. They have to explore their environment on their own. They have to make their own expierences without an adult telling them "they are to young and small for that"
Is getting up mid-morning a bad thing?
want em to have a happy life? don't treat em like precious diamonds that need to be hidden from lifes ups n downs
Will Templeton well the younger kids usually go in around dusk, but yeah kids under ten (and older obviously) will be out until very late during the summer holidays.
Kids here go and play Soccer in the street 11PM , I used to go to my school everyday when I was 7, I even go to Movies when I was 16 wallking to the next city, and I'm a lazy fat kid XD every day I find new fucked up think in america.
Dude, I walked to Kindergarten by myself xD so in the US my mum would've been arrested for that? That's simply ridiculous. I understand that the US is bigger and kids probably have to walk longer distances, but honestly a 8 or 9yo should simply be able to get to school by themselves. The US always going on about "freedom" and reducing limitations, but then it's illegal to just let your child walk to school, wtf....
themoralthistime Kids walk to and from school in the US all the time. No ones getting arrested for letting their kid walk 10-20 minuets to school. I think the law was intended for more extreme cases.
Travler Simpon I sure hope that's the case, but Phil also mentioned a woman getting in trouble for letting her son go to a nearby park by himself. Now, I don't know what the definition of "nearby" is here, but I would argue that she shouldn't be in trouble for that. And if they have to take a bus or ride a bike by themselves, kids should be able to do that (within reason obvs). Like a 10yo can travel a distance of up to 10-15km with no trouble. That's the distance my secondary school was at when I was 10 and I was just fine.
I got a house key at 9, and started walking home at the same age (30-35 minutes), I got my first phone at 11, and got public buses to and from high school (6 miles away) from age 12.
Now at 21 I travel to countries alone and love my independence. I have some friends of the same age who are scared to open the door with the latch off.
Travel to Mexico or Brazil alone and see what happens, US is almost as dangerous as those 2. Their crime rate is much higher than Europe. So comparing your experience with those in the US is just unfair.
I also travel to different countries by my self but you can bet your ass that I keep the chain on when I answer the door to a stranger. Safety first
I grew up in rural Alaska. We were about as free range as it gets. We could go play out in the wilderness, we were 6 to 8 years old. Huffing sound with groans... probably a bear. Be loud and don't run. Moose are pretty easy to see, when standing, but like to stay cool laying in the bushes. Try not to do anything to startle it. Even that young, I would try to listen for how bushes were being moved. If you can figure out what it is, easier to figure out how to react. During the winter, if you get wet, remove the wet clothing. Your friends should use their dry clothing to keep your wet body parts warm. Assess for hypothermia. Stay clear of Musk Ox herds, especially with babies. They usually graze out in the open. Any near town, are used to people, just don't get close.
Why do videos just not work any more on TH-cam, like I’m watching this but it isn’t on your channel Phil, I only found it through notifications 🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
I either don't get a notification or can only get to the video through the notification.
TheMakeupChair wait what?
I found it through Phil's twitter. Went on his TH-cam channel and it wasn't there, so went to Twitter and there it was.
TheMakeupChair I never got a motif even though my bell is on, it’s not in my sub box, but is in my recommended. I’m frickinnnnn raging at this machine right now.
I only got this through notification. Damn TH-cam, you need to fix your problems.
If you aren't a citizen the government has fewer obligations towards you relative to a citizen (This seems tautological). Non-citizens can't legally vote so the non-citizen population should not be considered when assigning congressional representation since congress job is to represent the citizenry (Seems pretty if a=b, b=c, then a=c). Change my mind.
if i was the president i would make Phil my white house press secretary
If I were president, I would make Phil my co-president
sup you beautiful bastards welcome to the white house
Jesus Nevarez for real
Press secretary is not a job for a nice person. You need giant brass balls like Sarah Sanders to handle the derpy journalists
Bob Smith I’ll give you the brass balls, but they’re to be able to lie so confidently to journalists.
I'm all for parents protecting their kids and avoid letting them walk home alone or left home alone but I find the fact that parents can be arrested and charged for doing so to be a bit ridiculous.
Wait, it's illegal for kids to walk to school alone in the US?
Ok, just saw that this might be a cultural thing. The concept of free-range parenting in the US seems to be the concept of just plain parenting where I live. If your kid can't go to school or meet his friends by himself at age 10, the general feeling is that you've done something wrong. Of course, different parents will have different thresholds for letting their kids walk the streets alone, but age 10, around the start of middleschool, is usually the point where people feel like the kid needs to be able to perform basic human activities, like walking where they need to go. Many parents don't do it, not because they don't like the idea, but because driving or walking with them can be done without messing up anyone's schedule.
It's not illegal. It's just that some people were overzealous and made the news, and so they passed this nothing-law that doesn't really do anything, since the police still have the same discretion they had before.
Ive lived in america my whole life and kids are allowed to be unsupervised and often are even if it is not in their best interests. Some places its hard to even get a parent in trouble for actual neglect like DCF in Florida which is a complete joke.
TheTechnicalNirl
No it's not illegal
Its not illegal, its just considered too dangerous by many overprotective parents because of the news blowing up every story about pedophiles and kidnapping, etc. Its still incredibly unlikely, hell, probably even less likely today than it was in the 70s, but people see the news and get scared so they don't trust neighbors anymore, which ironically just makes the community less safe because they don't bother to look out for anybody but themselves..
I was thinking the same! Everyone started walking to school alone around age 8-9 here in the Netherlands.
So, wait a minute. Kids can't walk to school by themselves in the USA? Talk about freedom, LOL!
TeKaMOTO We can. It's just that if the child is too young or they get hurt, the parents risk being accused of child endangerment.
Which is kinda unfreedomish. Having to fear being accused or even wrongly charged for child endangerment because you teach it self-reliance doesn't create a feel of freedom.
The threat of being accused of child endangerment if your child gets hurt walking home alone from school is so bogus. With the world we live in today in the US, most households are made up of working parents who can't just drop everything to pick up their child from school. So pick one. Either we lighten the fuck up and realize kids have been doing this FOREVER or something needs to be done so parents can have time to pick up their children. It's fucking ridiculous.
Mass hysteria
wow wow wait hold on, it was illegal to let kids go to school by themselves or play outside alone??? What the heck. We went to school by ourselves from like age 7 or 8 onwards. We played outside with other kids throughout the neighbourhood alone all the time. We had to be home for dinner, that's it, and this was back when cell phones weren't a thing and our parents couldn't just call or gps-track us. I spent my summers hanging out at the neighbourhood playground, the woods behind my granny's house, our street,... We knew where we were, who we were with, what we were and weren't allowed to do, and most importantly: we learned to adequately assess risks BECAUSE we weren't constantly coddled and overprotected. (seriously though, google the research. Kids learn to assess risks and threats and to responsibly explore and become independent by being given space and an actual opportunity to explore their environment without adults constantly hovering over them. This whole 24/7 supervision mindset actually breeds fearful, anxious, dependent and insecure future adults.)
Honestly, I'm not sure if this is a US vs Europe thing or a 2 decades ago vs now thing, though I don't have the impression it's much different here now from when I was a kid.
And additionally, about the "evil adults" fear: Stranger Danger is the most messed up shit ever. The risk of your kid being hurt by a stranger they come across while out unsupervised, is MANY times smaller than the risk of your kid being abused by their teacher, uncle, family frien, or even their own parents. If "I don't want my kid to get molested" is an argument, you're statistically legit better off letting it go to the park alone, than sending a "trusted" adult along with them. The risk of that adult abusing your kid is several times the risk of a stranger harming them. Isn't there this thing we have about feelings and facts? Yeah.
Amelia Jane
as an Irish fourteen year old I've gone to school alone on public transport since I was around seven
I don't think it was illegal, but by making it explicitly LEGAL, it means that parents can't be charged with crimes designed to actually save kids from terrible parents for doing something like letting them walk to school alone
All i had to do at the ten was leave a note saying i finished my homework and I'm at so and so house. I'd usually forget to let my parents know so they'd call my friends parents and tell them to tell at me for forgetting to leave a note when they find out where I'm at
Same, what he described as free-range parenting is pretty much standard practice here in Germany. And amen to that bit about the statistical probability of falling victim to abuse.
Try leaving your kid in Mexico and see what happens. USA is not as safe as Europe. Everbody knows that.
We need a Disney princess who never goes full Lena Dunham
Wait so it is bad to ask if the people are citizens because in California there is a lot of illegals who would decline to do the census therefor lowering California's Population count thus they would get less funding?? If the people are illegal what duty does the Federal gov. have to give them the same funding as a actual citizen?
Well then in that case what duty to immigrants have in paying taxes that don’t go to benefit them? They pay taxes that go to all the services they aren’t eligible for.
+Maribel Reyes
Illegals do not pay taxes. They CAN'T pay taxes. You require a social security number to pay taxes. IF an illegal is paying taxes it's because they stole someone's identity, which should be obvious why that is not acceptable.
Illegals shouldn't pay taxes, they should be deported.
tabular leech Google public health and public safety that will start to give you an understanding. It affects you, even if you can't see beyond hurr durr "voting," "illegals," talking points.
Also the supreme court already ruled against this, so they are likely to follow president as they usually do regarding past court rulings.
+War450 It doesn't surprise me a white tumblr girl is who you replied to.
No the point is California does things like Sanctuary cities in direct opposition of the FED then cries when the fed strikes back. If I moved onto your property don't you have the authority to come asking what I am doing? How is this any different, If California wants to shelter them they can pay for it.
I don’t think walking with your 7 year old to the park is taking their childhood. You can let them walk ahead, or away enough to where you can watch them. You can let them play. Remember people who are talking about this law hurting children are some of the same people who rather be on their phone or shove a tablet in a kid’s face than playing with them. I don’t agree with the law but I do agree with not hovering so closely over the kid 24/7. I feel like it’s more of a two very different parenting idea than a in the middle. A little of both is good, IMO.
The problem isnt walking your kids to the park, the problem (why it had to be adjusted) was that parents that decided to let their kids have some freedoms like going to the park alone were being prosecuted for child neglect. It is silly this "free range parenting" idea has to even exist, I called this normal childhood.
What shocked me in the video is that the charges didn't spark an outcry but a debate as if parents getting charged for free range paranting would be normal. I cannot imagine that children that don't naturally learn self-reliance will turn out to be normal adults. They will probably grow up even more scared than their parents.
Caroline Olivia I agree that going to the park with your kids is a good thing. But the problem (in my opinion) with the idea that you have to have kids inside of an adults view when they're 10 years old is that most adults don't want to or have time to go to the park very often. In fact I've noticed that most parents who insist on keeping their 10 year old children in sight at all times simply will not go outside to play with them very often at all and this means in effect that the children are not allowed to go outside to play very often at all.
Depends when the park is but TONS of children can walk to a park.
I think it shouldn't be illegal, but I also don't think parents should just let their kids do shit all over the place without any supervision.
Let kids be kids and go outside to play.
We're not talking about the middle of a war zone, we're talking about a 1st world town. Stop formulating, sectioning, and controlling everything. They're kids, not robots.
Can you please make a "you never go full Lena Dunham" t-shirt please?!?! 😂😂😂😍
Much love from Arizona ❤️❤️
Can make money by defaming someone or making someone lose money by your worda. Thats illegal. Hope it happens tho!! But she can come after philip saying he is the reason she doesn't find work anymore! 😂😂
Gooniegoogle But... not all Dunhams. Jeff Dunham is great.
Gooniegoogle I can agree with that 😂
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As a child I was very mature & my parents would let me stay home at age 7, because I already knew how to cook, I knew my parents numbers, 911, not to answer the door, etc. I believe if the child is mature enough, there should be no problems with free range parenting. Whenever teachers or adults would talk to me, my parents always got the comment of "it's like talking to a mini adult", kids should be able to be kids as long as they're smart & mature enough.
Some shitty parents are gonna use this bill to neglect their kids, and not get prosecuted for it.
Imo the bill has really few upsides, but has more than a couple downsides.
It was the same for me too. But that's the difference in parents these days and generation. Parents don't parent anymore. They want to be their friend. So if parents will acutely be parents and raise their kids , i'm all for it! Because "free range parenting" is what real parenting was back in the day. When kids would leave the house at 7:00am with friends and not be home till the street lights came on, or maybe a little later than that if it was summer time.
Yes some things this new law lets happen is fine like letting your children playing outside alone is okay (as long as they aren't like 4 or something) but some is sort of bad. Letting a 7 year old go on transit busses alone to wherever place they want is a bit absurd.
Mr.Burnside i agree. I think age 7-8 is when a child should be able to be alone outside, or do specific things like ride their bike around town. But I would never let my child get on a subway crowded full of people alone at age 7-9. There's too many risks & people I've encountered have scared me & I'm a grown woman.
Nerdy Evy I agree
.......Question....Why do people care about non-citizens not filling out forms that are supposed to represent the US citizens? Are states really so glutted with illegals / temporaries that non-US-citizens are actually a major votring force in the US? (I knew California was, but that was just one, to my knowledge.)
Am I misunderstanding what the problem is? Please, by all means correct me (hopefully with a bit more courtesy than asking a politics question on the internet [outside of an echo chamber] usually provokes).
I was so confused about the Free Range Parenting segment. Being from Denmark all I could think was, 'Wait what, is it illegal to let your children go places alone?'. What is up?
Same reaction from a German.
Same reaction from the rest of the world
Same reaction from England (Liverpool atleast)
And from a 27 year old Australian, merica why?
Same reaction from an American, when i was a round 10 years old my sisters and I were allowed to go practically anywhere we wanted not sure if that was illegal now.
First thought: "OH NO PLEASE DON'T BE ANYTHING BAD ABOUT MY MAN DONALD GLOVER!"
Edit: Damn, I was excited about that Deadpool series. But I'm relived nothing bad about Donald Glover came out, I hope he always stays clean and safe. Love you Glover/Gambino
J335H this comment is perfect
J335H LOL yeah at first I thought it was gonna be another Me Too allegation or some bull like that
For the "Free Range Parenting" story, I agree with it. It wasn't up till I was 18 years old that I had to learn to grocery shop, price compare or buy my own clothes. Not that I didn't want to, but my mom was always ahead of me and did it anyway. Everyone should watch "Japan's Independent kids" here in yt. It's really cool and is How free range parenting is involved in their culture. It's incredible.
Look, i actually read Cosmo on a regular basis and the fact is they have a lot of tremendous articles on sexual assault, workplace harassment, negotiation, business start-up, politics, abortion, and women's health. Which, by the way, women's health is still undermined as being "hormonal." The article, "Vagina, are you okay down there?" was about yeast infections and skinny jeans being so tight they were choking the groin. It's good info
LegzFallOffGirl Yes some of the articles are great, and before I became s mom of girls I used to read it too. But they are so a contradiction, they tell you so stories about how all women are sexual used and treated like meat....while sexualizing and treating them like meat on their own covers and all over the pages. Women should be treated same as men, for their wisdom, creativity, and more, not how much penises they can get up.
Never knew that they had actually useful articles. Well, at least they weren't important anymore, with all those things being available for free on the internet.
Yep, the kitty definitely needs some breathing room. Skinny jeans are just a minefield of reproductive health risks.
I hate to say this, but I feel like this law should be discussed at the city level. I think it’s perfectly fine to let your kids walk to school or to the park in nicer communities, but this law is extremely dangerous for kids in poorer places. It sucks, but that’s the way the world is.
Wow that sounds racist af. So black kids shouldn't be allowed the same freedoms as a rich asian child?
Amber Rodriguez Actually its not easier to get away with that kind of stuff if you have more money. Unless you’re someone who’s extremely wealthy and have a lot of power (like celebrities or politicians), its harder to be a sexual predator in higher class communities because the kids have more people around them to help. Think about it, sexual predators target children who come from broken homes, are easy to subdue, and who have less friends/family to tell. Also, if the sexual predator has already been caught once before, they most likely live in poorer communities because its harder to get a job when you’re registered. I’m not saying that there aren’t sexual predators in the upper class, but there are way more in the lower class and there are way more children to victimize in these places. You can read more about it at
www.pcar.org/poverty-and-sexual-violence
Ghost2Coast Don’t twist my words. I never mentioned anything about race. I’m purely speaking from an economical standpoint. Those in poorer communities have a greater risk of becoming victims of sexual abuse; therefore, I think more should be done to protect the kids in those communities.
Amber Rodriguez Like I said, I'm aware that sexual predators are everywhere, but I feel that the only places where a law like that makes sense is in communities of a higher economic status. This is why I'm saying that the cities should decide whether they want to implement this law or not. Each state has drastically different cities that require different laws to keep its citizens safe. This is one of those laws where its successfulness depends on the city.
I walked to and from school from third to sixth grade. Granted it was only about a half mile through a suburb, but the notion that my parents could have been charged with neglect for that is absurd. Yes we need to make sure parents aren't abandoning their kids, but at the same time some people need to seriously chill and realize that the world is 95% safe. It's up to you as the parent to know how to recognize that 5% while also letting your child experience the rest of it.
Fakjbf yeah I was always jealous that I was the only kid in my elementary that couldn’t walk home even though I lived 4 blocks away. My parents were extremely overprotective so I vowed that I wouldn’t be. Am I even allowed to raise independent kids anymore?
I never walked home, to far, about 5 miles. But my parents let me ride my bike home a few times and would let be ride my bike down a few blocks to go to a friends. I wasnt a caged child, but i also wasnt allowed to go do whatever i wanted. I really think my parents were either amazingly good at parenting, or just lucky, or maybe even a mixture of both.
My “independent” childhood put me in danger. Sometimes people don’t know how lucky they are.
Bro, cool pic son of the West ~
That's just what I would expect from someone who grew up in the Reunited Kingdom of Arnor and Gondor.
Ah yes, the moral compass of America: Walmart.
Its like the Florida of super markets
Joshua Hale Not gonna lie, that made me laugh
Varys Baratheon its a fucking joke chill lol
Free range parenting is interesting. In Japan there's a somewhat unspoken but known tradition of "Baby's first Errand" where usually around 4~6 a child is sent out to do their first errand or even trip. They'll be sent anywhere from down the street to buy something from the store to sent alone on the bullet trains all the way to their grandparents house in another prefecture. Now usually it's tradition for mom's to be like a block away secretly watching them but the whole point is that many of these kids, once they're shown that they can independently complete their task, will then be expected to repeat it. Many students by the first grade of elementary are expected to go to school alone, some walking, some taking buses, some even navigating early morning trains. It's not uncommon to see little 8~10 year olds all by themselves on the train out having adventures or going to cram school on the weekends. And thinking back to my own childhood, running around until the sun went down by myself outside in the woods I think "yeah... Why would you not?"
Statistically children are kidnapped by someone they know.
And considering the general level of violence in the USA we've well learned that there is nowhere safe for kids, not at home, not at school, not anywhere. Might as well let them feel a fleeting sense of responsibility and security that may give them the actual skills to save their own lives than put them in an ineffective bubble that does nothing anyway. Instead of blaming the parents for not being able to do the impossible of shielding kids from the world why not collectively make the world a better place or prepare kids for that world.
I was taught that feminism is equality i.e. you ladies get the steering wheels to your lives. If you want to be a stay at home mother, a career woman, a stripper, weed dealer, police officer *WHATEVER* you should have the chance and mutual respect. Period.
Mmmm... I only have one problem with your statement. Society has a different reaction to stay at home moms than stay at home dads. That's inequality, isn't it?
Hmm, I don't see those two as different but agreed... society seems to differentiate between the 2. =)
I'll react differently to someone being a weed dealer or a stripper than if they are a stay at home parent or police officer. That is regardless of gender. Everyone gets a minimum of respect but your choices and actions will lead to your own individual outcomes.
Whoever taught you, taught you well!
Ryan Swanson too bad it used to be something good
Until 1961 when it suddenly changed to taking “power” from men
And revenge
That’s all it is now
And oppressing women
Free-range parenting is..how can I put this.......
I have a neighbor that raises chickens in a pen. They watch them as they roam around the property during the day for a short period time as they ate. Another neighbor lets them roam all the time, day and at night. Aka free-range chickens. These chickens were the happiest, healthiest, and quite frankly just better overall chickens despite being the same type as the pen ones.
They were all killed one night by some coyotes.
Free-range parenting still requires you to be a parent and not just let them roam free at dangerous times. The same neighbor got more chickens, but prevented them from roaming too far or at night.
Census is to establish how many people there are. Not to determine if they should be their to begin with.
Hide yo kids. Those damn Cyotes be roamin the streets!
Amethyst Spark ... You forgot the part about determining how many seats in Congress a state gets. Illegals in CA are screwing every other state out of political influence if they are counted in the census.
incorrect. congregational seats and such are determined by how many people live there, not how many citizens. remember that no n every non-citizen is here illegally.
jordan elliott You replied to the wrong person XD
I think free range parenting is a good idea for the most part. It depends on the type of neighborhood the family lives in. I take my little brother with me on walks all the time, but if you live in a shitty area then that's not the best idea.
Regarding "Free-range children", I myself was a "free-range child" growing up. I almost never was given a ride to school by my parents, not becuase they wanted me to walk, but becuase they couldn't afford to take me. So, I would either walk, ride my bike, or take the bus. While I did feel like my parents didn't give me enough attention becuase of this, especially my Mom when she was a single mother, I will admit that I had learned a lot of valuable lessons in life from walking to and from school every day. Also, my parents weren't neglectful, they were just poor and it was hard for them raising 5 children, so I can't really complain about that.
What about Men's Health? If Cosmopolitan is exploitative then the same shouldn't be applied to magazines that feature muscular men shirtless on their cover?
Ivan Jetá you're doing God's work.
Ivan Jetá I totally agree with that line of thinking.
I think the decision was influenced more so by the captions on the cover eg. "how to drive him wild with these 10 fruity sex tricks"...
Than the cover photos. I'm not entirely sure though.
Ivan Jetá 👏
Ivan Jetá it should be, but sexual exploitation of men is usually completely ignored. It goes in with people thinking men can't be raped.
"You never go full Lena Dunham!" LMAO!
Um Cosmo is not about sexual exploitation. It’s about female empowerment. They have been pretty vocal about rape survivors, speaking out against domestic violence, and other issues women face. Just because women like and want good sex doesn’t make them victims of sexual exploitation. Women on the cover are adults and chose to be on the cover. If Walmart wants to remove them magazine, fine but don’t pretend it’s for the “women”.
Gaius Julius Caesar Why are you ranting about the wage gap this person never mentioned it you’re literally trying to argue with nothing
Anne Marie Richards kind of agree but I think the culture of women as sex objects isn't criticized enough. Like, as a woman you will get paid more if you regularly wear makeup, because apparently that's important to our job performance??? I see both sides
I was think of abortions and women’s health issues to be honest. I’m not a feminist AT ALL. But cosmo isn’t objectifying women, people on the covers are aware of what’s in the magazine and how they are dressed.
gm I don't think the magazine is objectifying women but I'm glad it won't be in the checkout anymore. I really don't like kids gabbing to be bombarded by see everywhere they look. It's only natural that at some point they'll be curious and that's all good but having sexual content literally everywhere you shop is exhausting and tells your subconscious that it's the most important thing. I love feeling sexy and I've bought the magazine and I would again because it's fun but I'm glad it's one less thing being pushed.
Anne Marie Richards I'm fine with them being removed, they're a trash magazine that often exploits male sexuality while 'empowering' women's sexuality.
On the 'free-range parenting' thing, in live in the UK and I had no idea what 'free-range parenting' was before now because Ive never heard of it before.
In the UK its totally not uncommon for kids go out to the park, walk home from school, go around the area on bikes, go to shops and be home alone with younger siblings, all under the age of 10. I find it really interesting and a bit shocking that in the US that could be illegal because its really normal here and with the rest of Europe.
Em Hi it used to be normal.
Because its far more dangerous there, than in the UK, I dare you to travel alone in Mexico. You just cant compare your experience with theirs.
If you leave your wallet on the table here in Europe then most likely it will be stolen, but in Japan nobody will even touch it and that is considered normal there. So its useless comparing, you need to do reseach on if that country is safe or not. We in Europe are even far more sheltered than those in the US, consider yourself lucky that you dont need to worry about anything when the goverment babysits you.
I think I'm confused about the issue with the Census question. If these forms, once completed, resulted in large scale targeting of undocumented illegals, then yes, it absolutely is concerning. However, to get a best idea of what the status of our population is, we should both collect this data and largely (as much as possible) disassociate the data collected from the identity of the individual providing it. If we successfully separate the identity from the specific data, then no person has any need to fear the repercussions of complete honesty. Furthermore, I am curious about how it is illegal or unconstitutional to request information on citizenship. I know I am making my ignorance known here, but I seriously would like to understand this better. I know that laws against discrimination have been passed that prohibit the unfair treatment based on age, sex, gender, religion, or ethnic background, but you find all these questions on the census forms...so why not citizenship status?
Jared Clemence People always forget that illegal immigrants are not protected under our constitution. So no it is not illegal or discriminatory to ask if you are a citizen.
Jared Clemence you're not showing ignorance, what you are using is called sound logic.
Tony Lee except you're wrong. Most people think only citizens are protected by the Constitution, but in actuality lawyers/judges/court cases have decided that most of, if not all, of the Constitution applys to anyone on US soil. www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/mar/29/florida-immigrant-coalition/do-undocumented-immigrants-have-constitutional-rig/
Agreed. As long as the census keeps anonymity, I don't mind the question being asked.
The census is to determine population, not citizenship. Population and/or residency tabulations are used to determine representation in Congress and federal aid for things like infrastructure and education. There is no valid reason to question your citizenship to determine your residency.
#NeverGoFullLenaDunham
My brother and I were raised by a single mom. When I was 8 and my brother was 6 she had to take a second job. She’s a great mom, and her leaving us alone wasn’t her being a bad parent, it was the only option she had. She taught us how to be safe. We knew what to do in an emergency, we knew not to answer the door when she wasn’t home. She taught us that it’s okay to be rude and say no to an adult, especially if you don’t know them. Or even if you do know them and they’re making you uncomfortable. We got ourselves up in the morning, made ourselves simple meals, and to and from school safely. You want to protect your kids from all the bad stuff out there but you can’t shelter and hide them forever. People need to learn how to be people.
The script Glover posted to twitter was NOT a real script. It was something he wrote after the cancellation occurred, possibly to get people excited and show the people who cancelled the production they had made a mistake.
Brynley Louise well I mean... it worked?
Stormy Bunny Haha true it did
I mean, isn't this more or less how the first Deadpool movie got made?
Giovanni Love it's true. The references in the script are filled with very current events. Like the last male white rhino dying. It's not possible for it to be the actual script for the last episode.
Giovanni Love One of the pages of the script literally talks about the show being cancelled. Another talks about Beyonce getting bit by another celebrity. That story broke this Monday while FX officially announced that Deadpool had been canned last Saturday. Which means the script was written after those events had already occurred.
You missed the best lines in the screenplay: "for the people watch--_reading_ this..." and (something to the effect of "maybe Freeform will take this" 😂 Glover is next-level petty. This was a _direct_ shot at his cancellation.
Donald Glover is the black Edgar Wright.
Donald Glover is one of the OG TH-camrs when sketch comedy on the platform was in its golden age.
Antoine Bandele back when people were mostly using it for vlogging and making mini docs, his channels comments would be littered with FAAAAAAKE!!!
I almost died & went to nerd heaven when he was saying Donald Glover was part of a deadpool tv show?! But then he went & told me the truth AND WHAT PHIL?! I'D GOTTEN SO FRICKIN EXCITED?!
I feel as if the "free range parenting" thing is a mixed bag for me, I believe personally that it depends on the area you live in, via crime rate and such.
Super The Piplup totally agree with you.
Yeah I agree, that’s what I was thinking. It depends on the area and crime rate. I would walk to school all the time from middle school through high school. It’s not a simple thing our neighborhood has gotten more dangerous. There’s been cases of kids getting ran over by speeding drivers, even in school zones. The transportation here sucks. Public bus takes 30 to 45 min or more on weekdays to pass. Our temperatures in the summer reach 120F. I remember starting to see spots and collapsing one really hot summer that I was coming back walking from school. I think it should be up to the parent. They shouldn’t get punished if they let their kid out. It just sucks when they go out and cause trouble.
My parents both basically gave me the free-range lifestyle growing up, and I feel blessed. Although bad things can happen, we shouldn't punish kids and parents for the actions of the evil, instead punish the evil more, fix that problem...
MrBrightsighed true, and same story here
It's weird how they cite the 14th amendment because I was sure our constitution only applied to citizens. And the census question applies to *everyone* anyway, so no would be exempt from having to answer that question. What a weird and stupid thing to use a defense against this new census.
Pebkio Nomare thats were you would be wrong our constitution protects anyone on us soil whether they are citizens or not supreme court has ruled this time after time
Then how do you explain immigration laws? Those don't apply to everyone equally so, if we say that the constitution protects everyone on U.S. soil than they aren't constitutional. By your estimation. Which, now, seems very obviously inaccurate.
On top of that, I can't find any clause or sub-clause of the 14th amendment that could be used as an argument against the change, specially considering that it specifically address citizenry. Unless, for some reason, they think they can expand the due process clauses to encapsulate the entirety of the amendment, including the parts that are explicitly stated to be applied to CITIZENS. But, I find that to be too absurd.
I understand the concerns about the Census question with regards to immigrants. That said, I recently engaged in some family geneology projects and nearly every census had some question regarding country of origin and I found it incredibly helpful in acertaiing where my family came from. I don't know if such benefits can overcome concerns about under reporting but I'm sure at diffrent times in our history diffrent immigrant groups probably shared similar concerns.
"We need a princess who's an undocumented immigrant" Someone doesn't understand what a princess is
In fairness, you could technically pull it off with the scion of a noble family who had to flee their country.
perhaps, but if the flee and another power takes over their country they are no longer a princess. just and undocumented immigrant at that point.
That didn't stop Simba from reclaiming his throne-...wait, gender swapped the Lion King (Queen) would do the trick. Or at the very least, a similar story.
why should the government not be allowed to find out how many illegal immigrants are in its borders? it is useful info that will shape policy. Its no surprise states like NY and Ca oppose it, politicians from those states are elected primarily for shilling for those demographics. If illegal immigration isn't a serious issue lets find out the real numbers in 2020
If you were here illegally would you report it to the government?
Tristan Ewing you understand that the government won’t know the amount of immigrants because they won’t answer?
Thats what im thinking. If theyre are a certain number of illegal immigrants here then maybe thatll be the kick in the pants for the government to actually change how you become a citizen. I think states like california and new york should have very little impact on this. Theyre only trying to secure illegal votes.
Chundyer no you wouldn’t which is the point! Why should the state provide funding for people who came here illegally? Too many states get funding for welfare that illegals live off of when they come here which is what this new census would help stop.
What about legal non citizen immigrants?
Who is suing these parents?? America is weird , everyone is so concerned about other people 's parenting style. Unless it is about abuse, mind your own business !
sach kin Did he cite any instances of civil suits? I don’t recall that. From what I recall, he spoke about criminal charges being placed on parents.
Logan Smith thanks for clearing that up , but aren't they being reported by other people to authorities? My issue is not with every case and I believe that every parents have the right to raise their kid as they want to, as long as its not abuse and that society should stop being so judgemental.
Being reported by their neighbors, yeah. If I were letting my kid walk to school I'd be more worried about some shitty neighbor reporting me than about a child predator. Crime is at historic lows and it only keeps dropping.
Prince Naseem Well then, your parents parenting style is obviously not that good.
I couldn't believe the charges when I heard them. Going to a park alone?? And charged with a year in prison. Unbelievable
I used to walk home from school when I was 5. I was accompanied by dozens of other kids. We looked out for each other. We knew about strangers and my mother had already had the safety talk with me by then. I walked to and from school in 3rd and 4th grade...and up until high school. We spent HOURS outside with out supervision...riding bikes, playing in the park, exploring the woods , visiting the local pool. As an adult I noticed less and less kids walking to school, playing outside. Even when their school/park was only a block or two away. It's sad. Teach them to be safe. Communicate with your kids.
If I was a parent, I wouldn't be as concerned about some creep grabbing my kid or something like that.
I'd be worried about the other kids who are total jackasses who are also unsupervised. Kids can be complete psychopaths to each other when adults aren't around. Thats far more likely than some random dude trying to get my kid.
Letting kids be psychopaths to each other is a crucial part of socialization. Kids need to know what it's like to hurt and be hurt or else they become stunted in their development of empathy. Nothing makes an awkward narcissist like sheltering a kid from rough and tumble play. th-cam.com/video/qPoI68mRZF4/w-d-xo.html
Noah Keyes
You clearly don't understand what I mean by "kids being psychopaths to each other". I don't mean your regular rough and tumble play. I mean cases of bullying and excessive violence. Teaching empathy works when there is someone to teach it to them. Without punishment of psychopathic behavior (or reinforcement of empathetic behavior) the child can become cruel in their behavior towards other children. Leaving a child alone who has not been taught to be empathetic with other children can lead to disaster. There's a lot more to it then Jordan Peterson explains in this short video.
I'm not saying protect your kids all the time, but violence when under supervision is different from violence without. The latter can be far worse.
Then the psychopathic behavior that you're you're describing is because of a critical lack of unsupervised, rough and tumble play when they were younger. It's a problem caused by being overprotective that forces parents to continue being overprotective.
I want a Disney princess that eats bread, pizza, and procrastinates all day.
I want a Disney princess who's gay, lazy and depressed. Just like me.
if you don't believe in free range parenting then don't do it. don't force everyone else to choose your parenting style.
Jaz but it’s important to remember that kids don’t get a day in the way they are patented, but they are the ones who could be put at risk. People are thinking about them, I think.
Put at risk of what exactly? We're at a 51 year lull in crime and if the modern millenial is any example, then we need to make sure that kids learn the importance of independence and responsibility, or we're all going to be screwed in a couple generations.
Femsplainer I mean a lull in crime doesn’t mean there is none, but I’m not disagreeing with you. I think it depends where you are. In a rural area I would say fine, but I don’t think letting a kid run around Detroit or NYC all by themselves is a good idea. Crimes aren’t the only thing that puts kids in danger. There’s also things like traffic or animals that could be problems, and just because you tell a kid to look both ways or not play with strays doesn’t mean they’ll listen. Kids can be kinda dumb.
At some point you have to breach that barrier and they will have to make their first trip alone somewhere, and use a sharp knife, and so on. You are making a general case that by extension would lead to extensive agoraphobia.
Adults can be pretty dumb too. There are plenty of adults that don't look both ways and get hit by cars (uber self driving car case in point), attacked by animals, accidentally cut themselves with a sharp knife, or become the victims of crimes, etc. As such you're never at an age when you are 100% safe to engage in dangerous activities, and yes, some will be harmed or die in the process. It is an inescapable truth that kids will die or be harmed, even if you are a helicopter parent. Besides, helicopter parenting can have it's own drastically negative consequences as well, but they aren't as easy to point to as the aftermath of a kid being hit by a car.
Also, it's very cold to say this, but it's true that the one kid that dies from running out into the street and getting hit serves as a very strong reinforcement mechanism for the other kids for exactly why they need to look both ways. That level of behavioral reinforcement cannot be learned through any other way than through tragedy unfortunately. Obviously, I'm not saying it's good that a kid dies so that others can learn a very strong lesson, just pointing out that it's how I learned and now always look both ways out of reflex.
The March for our Lives crowd would have us believe that being a student in a public school puts them at higher risk of death by school shooter, which is true. So wouldn't the logical conclusion to your stance be that we disallow kids going to schools? After all, you are unlikely to die from a school shooter if you don't go to school. I don't think you actually hold that idea, but there are others out there that are starting to entertain it.
My stance is to teach them young and they will be more responsible at every stage of development and life in general. I was walking home since the first grade and riding the city bus to middle school, and I grew up in an area that wasn't exactly rural and crime free, to put it mildly, and I am much better for it. The only way you can learn street smarts and common sense, is to be exposed to the world and make mistakes, get scared and recognize that the world can be very dangerous, and correct your behaviors accordingly. If we don't allow kids to do that until they are practically adults, then they will never develop those skills properly because the brain lose plasticity as we age. A parent secretly following their kid on their first several outings 'alone' is a reasonable compromise I think.
Femsplainer I see where you’re coming from, and I agree that kids can get hurt no matter what. I think age also plays a big part for me. For some reason in my head I always picture 6-8 years olds when I think of free-range parenting, which I think are mostly too young to fully understand the dangers of the world. After that I’m a lot less worried. You make fair points though
i played around my neighborhood and went to my neighborhood park as young as 7 and it helped shaped me into the respectable person i am today, it should be up to the parent to decide when the child is ready to roam on their own. exploring the bike trails and such near my park with friends was some of the best memories we ever had and we never had cell phones in case of emergency
Hard to believe a law had to be passed to let kids play in the neighborhood park without an adult attached at the hip. It's sad to me that this bubble wrapped kids culture has taken hold. It robs so many kids of imo the best parts of childhood. The days I spent exploring my hometowns parks and wooded areas as a >7 year old alone or with my friends were some of the best days of my life.