I really hope you enjoyed this 10 Gigabit Networking video! Let me if you have any questions on this video or ideas for future 10GbE related content you want to see on my channel in the future :)
An audio related question... Presonus has rj45 port for recording (multiple) channels through Ethernet, but it seems there are no drivers for windows. It seems to work with apple and Linux, but not windows. Other companies seem to have the same problem, but little info to be found. Do you know if those solutions do work on 10g on windows? Also recording video direct to network instead of doing usb recording would be a nice option on BMD atem mini, as would hdmi 2.1 compatibility. 4k is at a point that not having that on those mini's is becoming silly
At my work we only get around 40 min/s from our provider due to the remote location we are in. Can I still use this set up with those speeds coming in?
I just got a Netgear business switch It is a 8 port 10 g. So now I have two 10G ports on my NAS and I'm trying to figure out the best way to use it. I tried a bond on the network but it was a bit unstable
Hi Alex, why don’t you just connect your NAS to the Qnap Rj45 to thunderbolt adapter and save the two switches? Why are the two switches necessary in your setup?
Was wondering exactly the same thing. Seems like such a random assortment of nonsense. Imagine running a network cable along the floor. And why the cat7 ethernet cable just for the internet connection?
The other plus side to spf+ ports and fiber is that you can run the fiber between buildings and still meet electrical code for grounding and bonding since fiber doesn't use electricity (at least in the U.S.).
Hi Alex, Let me give you some hints which may help you achieve higher read/write and iperf3 speeds. 1. Set up your NICs jumbo frames to 9000 MTU to all of your 10gbit devices in your network, otherwise the processors on both ends will work harder to process all of your data transfer. 2. iperf3 tests, you can use -P 8 to use simultaneous transfers: iperf3 -c 192.168.x.x -P 8 -t 120 Reverse (download) iperf3 -c 192.168.x.x -P 8 -R -t 120 Nice video btw Have fun :)
Thanks so much! Forgot to mention in this video that I did already have 9000 MTU set for both my NAS and the Thunderbolt 3 -> 10GBE adapter. Thanks for the tips re iperf too, I'll give those a go!
Good walkthrough video. Curious why you put the unmanaged switch on the desk vs in the closet. Was it simply because you accidentally ordered the managed switch and primary objective was more ports at the desk; or was there a network security issue you were addressing?
Thanks so much for sharing! I am a video editor in Tampa Florida and have hundreds of TB on several external hard drives. I have recently taken on the lead role as video director as our last director got a new job. I have been trying to upload all of our files onto a Synology NAS because that is what we have, a DS920+. It gets the job done but it is no QNAP TS-h973AX-32G as you showed in your other video. The hard drives we have are super old and slow so getting all the external drives backed up to the NAS is going to take days to complete.
Yeah it sounds like the slow hard drives will you main bottleneck here. I feel your pain with having to transfer that much data! I would just leave it going overnight on a machine that doesn’t need to be used during the day :)
@@AlexPettitt thank you for seeing me lol. I’ve tried that but our internet isn’t the best being at a local church, so it’ll cut out and stop the upload.
@@CSquare324 why are you transferring through internet? Your Nas has USB your external hard drives usually do too. So hook them up directly and you will have a much faster speed. You might have to go to church more 😂 And usually the network connection is slower then the hard drives in your Nas
Great demonstration. I would like to see how much power the QSW-1208-8C draws. It is rated for 50 W which I think is a lot. I would perhaps have gone for a single QSW-M2106-4C (rated for 36 W) instead of your two new switches.
Recently got the other version of that switch where the 10GbE ports are SFP+ instead of RJ45. Absolutely fantastic for home use: you can get (silent) 10 gig connection between workstation and server and then use the 2.5GbE ports for things like fast Wifi 6 AP which do make use of 2.5Gb and maybe media/guest room PC and still have em connected to the server with plenty fast link.
@@chriswright8074 I mean if you have NAS with storage pool capable of exceeding 2.5GbE sustained throughput, then it makes sense for any kind of file transfer. Your average home user will do just fine with 2.5 though, which is rapidly becoming the default speed in most consumer motherboards and NAS appliances.
Most people don't have $3000+ to drop on a 10GbE Home Network. It can be done for less than $1000. While functional, it's entirely overcomplicated for your use case imho.
Alex, could you make a tutorial video on how to set up your NAS and computer to check network and file transfer speeds? I am new to this and need help figuring out what software/s to install on my WIN 11 desktop/laptop.
Thanks for this video! Super helpful. I'm also trying to go to 10GB and will likely get the same unmanaged switch you recommended. What is your experience with the QNAP 10GB Thunderbolt connector to your computer? I got one and am having trouble with the fan sound. Is that an issue for you and recording?
🤩Hi there Alex, thank you so much for this info. I've been following your NAS setup since previous videos. I'm doing the same setup to be used with a team of 5 people that needs to edit video from the NAS. Though I know I will need to do RAID 0 with my disks. However, I have a quick question though. Is this QNAP model good to to team edits? Appreciate your answer🙏
Doing the same here with Ubiquiti 10gbe Aggregation Switch and Synology in combination with Ironwolf Pro disks. Works 8 times faster dan 1gbe in Lightroom and Premiere Pro 💪
Just an FYI for those looking in the future. Those flat cables are not CAT rated for any standard. Category 5, 5e, 6, 6a, & 8 (7 was never accepted as a standard) cables are constructed with a round cable because they have to rotate within the pair and the pairs have to rotate around the other pairs. In other words, the 2 wires within a pair are twisted, and all the pairs are twisted. That’s not possible with flat cables.
Hi Alex, great video and excellent walk-through. Love your setup. I have a similar layout, but was wondering how did you set up WIFI for your mobile devices to have signal all around your home?
Thanks Fernando, glad you liked it. My wifi is actually a pretty simple setup as my router seems to cover most of my home. However I am looking into doing a future video about Mesh wifi setups. If this something you'd be interested in?
@@AlexPettitt indeed! That would be great. Right now I’m curious if having the switch before the router brought you any issues. Did you have to setup VLANs?
I thought the SSD NAND chips were only really good for small random read/writes? Do they really give you better performance for write speed with video editing from your NAS?
How do you have your SSD cache set up? TB size of your NVME? Is there a big performance difference between read-write vs read only ssd cache? I've heard it is recommended that we use nvme designed specifically for NAS -- is that a big issue if we use standard m.2 nvme?
17:42 are your "editing folders" on SSDs per your directive, or does the os move them to the SSDs because it identies them as frequently used? Are your editing folders part of the raid, a separate raid, or not part of raid at all?
@@AlexPettitt with it disabled was it a big difference? I was reading that it could effect how your computer loaded things on the internet as 1500 MTU was a standard but 9000 MTU had some sites and apps (creative cloud) that would hang up loading because of it. Was there an optimal way to isolate the jumbo frames to the local network and still have the standard 1500 MTU for compatibility? Thanks for this video, it was fantastic. I’m trying to decide if the performance increase from jumbo frame enabled switches is worth the upgrade. I have 10 Gbe now but the switches in the middle don’t support jumbo frame. I have a Qnap tvs 8 NAS with raid 6 on WD RED PROS and I max out at around 300 MBps on uploading a TB of footage from a shoot to the NAS. I want to speed that up as I’m on 10 Gbe.
@@robposner2656 Next time I transfer a big project over to my NAS I'll set everything back to 1500 and see what speeds I get. Will report back. As for issues using 9000 MTU, so far I've had none :)
@@robposner2656 I am too. You asked a question I thought of as well. I have read that if you enable jumbo frames, all the devices that talk on the same network must be able to handle them (set to Jumbo as well?) or they'll choke and not work properly. It is why I haven't done it so far -- goal was to isolate the NAS, which has 10Gbe connection, on a switch to which I connect my PC with 10Gbe connection, and have an alternate route for all 1 Gbe connections to my PC. Dunno if this complexity is required, and would certainly like to avoid it if possible.
Maybe you can help me here. I set up a very similar network with a QNAP NAS and had it sitting on my desk. When plugged into the 10GB port on the NAS and the 10GB port on my PC I got blistering speeds as expected (800-1000MB/s) When I look at the WNAP Finder I see 2 IP addresses if I search files on the 10GB IP it is fast and uses that wire and when using the other IP it goes over the slower wire at 1GB. I have both connected to be able to access it on the internet. Now the issue is I moved it to my closet about 20ft away from me, I can run a CAT6 right to my PC and it goes slow, like 1GB speeds. I have it set up with a 10GB switch like you have but it still goes slow. What am I doing wrong, I had the speed when it was on my desk but now it is the same speed no matter what IP address I use.
Of course, direct attach SSD storage can give fantastic speeds… but there an many instances where edit teams need fast storage in the network so the can all have access to the files etc
Hey Logan, good question. I mainly use it either to ran a custom built dashboard for productions, or I also sometimes use it as a SRT / RTMP receiver, when bringing in remote videos. Nothing too major
Such a great video, thanks you! I would be interested in seeing you results for NAS vs SANS. I'm guessing that all this would still be bottle necked by your Ethernet or Wifi speed, if woking remotely and without a Fiber Optic connection?
Hey Marvin, thanks so much for the kind comment. Glad you enjoyed it! I haven't got too much knowledge on SANs but will have to look into it for sure! If working remotely, yeah I'd say your main bottle neck will be internet connection. One of the things I'm keen to test in the future is if both ends have a 1gbps internet connection, can you max out that 1gbps remotely :) Maybe I'll save that for another video one day :)
Also on my 8 drive qnap (mechanical drives) I get 1010mb read with some optimisation via terminal... How did you get the Blackmagic Disk Speed test to have files bigger than 5 GB as a stress test? I only get up to 5...
@@AlexPettitt 1. Disabled the creation of .DS_Store files on the network via terminal command: "defaults write com.apple.desktopservices DSDontWriteNetworkStores -bool TRUE" 2. Made sure SMB 3.0 is the minimum as well as the maximum connection via QNAP admin. 3. Enabled the newly added "Enable kernel-mode SMB daemon" in the "Control Panel > Win/Mac/NFS > Advanced Options". 4. Created one big thick volume instead of a thin one (no snapshot support). 5. Disabled signing via terminal "[default] signing_required=no" in the "/etc/nsmb.conf" file. 6. Deleted the "ransom-subscription-ware" :) qsirch since they falsely advertised spotlight support with and have since backtracked... 7. Disabled network recycle bin... big perfomance hit
Also make sure to use fixed ip's for everything, and use the latest ventura/monterey macOS. Significantly improved smb performance vs older OSes. Short distances (~10-15meters) and I get this performance even with cat 6/5e cables
I have nearly the same setup but without the big switch (and Synology 1621+). Works great and I use it for editing from the NAS. But whats annoys me is the fan of the QNAP Thunderbolt adapter. It gehts very hot and loud. What did you do to avoid this?
Yeah I have noted that too. During big transfer the fan do's like to kick in. I've bough a longer 2m Thunderbolt 3 cable so I can place the adapter a bit future away :)
@@AlexPettitt Thats what was my idea too. In your case switching to the QNAP SFP+ adapter would be an option because you already have a SFP+ switch. Like I said I only have the small one without SFP+ and would have to replace both. Thats a lot of money just because of a loud fan :)
Thanks for sharing. I got the other version of the thunderbolt adapter, but had to return it because the write speeds was as 3 MBps. (Probably a faulty unit) Do you have any issues with the QNAP thunderbolt to 10Gbe Adapter?
That’s strange. Yeah the thunderbolt to 10GBE Ethernet adapter has been great so far. My only gripe with it is that the fans can sometimes really kick in when you’re using it a lot. But performance wise it’s been good!
Why did you buy the small switch? Couldn't you have connected the nas directly to the big 8 port 10gb switch and only use that one? Did you need a second 10gbps port in the nas storage area?
Hey! Can anyone help me install iperf on my NAS and mac? I've got the Qnap NAS, with QNAP 10gbe Switch, and plugged into a OWC Thunderbolt dock with 10gbe but only getting about 400 write speed and 600 read speed on black magic disk speed tool. I've configured both the NAS and and OWC doc to have jumbo frames. Any ideas?
QNAP MANAGED 10GbE Switch (QSW-M1208-8C) Did you really need this to connect your devices or you can just run a ethernet to a PC from the QNAP 10GbE & 2.5GbE Switch (QSW-2104-2T)?
Right of the bat I can tell u flat ethernet cables are a huge nono, I saw with my own eyes devices that wouldn't negotiate 1gbs because of the flat cable, they would connect to 100mbps, after swapping the cable out with regular non-flat ethernet cable 1gbps connection would establish. It's in the fundamentals of the ethernet cable that the criss cross weaving of the 8 wires is needed to minimise the cross talk, and that criss cross weaving is what makes the ethernet cable round and not flat.
... so ... question... What's the deal with a 7 cat FLAT cable? Just easier to store away...? Because you can get 10 Gig with a round old cat 5e... Just wondering....
The flat cable is more of a preference than anything else. I like it as I find it easier to work with especially when laying in trucking or floors :) Hope this helps
I think you overcomplicated that on that usecase showed in the video. Why didn't you go by router to nas to computer as your qnap could bridge the internet do that avoding to buy the tb 10gb adapter, big switch, maybe the small is good for really extending your network in future. In the end it must work and thats why i liked the video
Good question! I thought about doing this… but the main reason I didn’t was because: 1) If the NAS or it’s network card was to fail then I would loose all internet connection to my desk. 2) I sometimes turn my NAS off / kill power to it for periods of time…and wanted to make sure I could i I could still get internet to my desk even with it off. Great question though, and glad you enjoyed the video 👍
What I'm missing in this video is the info if you bought the switch or it was given to you for free! If second, whole video is just a paid advertisement and not to be taken seriously
SMB communication can be a bottle neck, especially with apple devices and their SMB implementation. I get better speeds using Linux/Windows clients or using AFP for file transfers.
Would you be confident to have 3 video editing workstations working off this setup all together? Or would you recommend jumping up to the TVS-h1288X? THanks!
Hey Pete, I'd say it also depends on what type of files you plan to be working with and the type of drives you plan to put inside / RAID config. Is it 1080p footage or 4K / 6K?
QNAP is literally the worst switch I've ever used. First, they can't even figure out how to set a management vlan to anything beside vlan 1, and second they removed the one useful thing they could have provided, root access to the switch for some janky cli. I bought one cheap as apparently it shipped without screws in the fan to attach it to the heatsink, and fixed it myself to test, but it's been bad to worse with this thing. Buy anything but a QNAP switch.
Why the waste? You could've set the Internet router straight into the NAS and gotten internet and data straight from the NAS without wasting the extra money on the smaller switch. It's not like you will tax the NAS or the 10GBe connection by doing it and it would've kept the installation cleaner.
It’s a good point and I should have mentioned this in the video, but I sometimes turn off the NAS for extended periods of time. So I didn’t want to run the router into it for that reason :)
DEERRRRRR if your going to upgrade if you go to 10Gig what a waste of money for the price of a 100Gig switch reap the benefit and save up dating for 2Gb to 10Gig to 100Gb in 2 years time while your at it I expect your only using Cat 2 cabling so you have not taken into the losses in the old cables! at the higher speeds! as speed / Frequancy increases so dose the internal restance of the cable.
I really hope you enjoyed this 10 Gigabit Networking video! Let me if you have any questions on this video or ideas for future 10GbE related content you want to see on my channel in the future :)
An audio related question... Presonus has rj45 port for recording (multiple) channels through Ethernet, but it seems there are no drivers for windows. It seems to work with apple and Linux, but not windows. Other companies seem to have the same problem, but little info to be found. Do you know if those solutions do work on 10g on windows?
Also recording video direct to network instead of doing usb recording would be a nice option on BMD atem mini, as would hdmi 2.1 compatibility. 4k is at a point that not having that on those mini's is becoming silly
At my work we only get around 40 min/s from our provider due to the remote location we are in. Can I still use this set up with those speeds coming in?
How did you get larger than 5g files to test on Blackmagic Speed Test?
I just got a Netgear business switch It is a 8 port 10 g. So now I have two 10G ports on my NAS and I'm trying to figure out the best way to use it. I tried a bond on the network but it was a bit unstable
Hi Alex, why don’t you just connect your NAS to the Qnap Rj45 to thunderbolt adapter and save the two switches? Why are the two switches necessary in your setup?
Remote access probably
Was wondering exactly the same thing. Seems like such a random assortment of nonsense. Imagine running a network cable along the floor. And why the cat7 ethernet cable just for the internet connection?
@@teh_huntererSponsored video and had to use all the equipment provided regardless of utility, practicality or knowledge.
The other plus side to spf+ ports and fiber is that you can run the fiber between buildings and still meet electrical code for grounding and bonding since fiber doesn't use electricity (at least in the U.S.).
Hi Alex,
Let me give you some hints which may help you achieve higher read/write and iperf3 speeds.
1. Set up your NICs jumbo frames to 9000 MTU to all of your 10gbit devices in your network, otherwise the processors on both ends will work harder to process all of your data transfer.
2. iperf3 tests, you can use -P 8 to use simultaneous transfers:
iperf3 -c 192.168.x.x -P 8 -t 120
Reverse (download) iperf3 -c 192.168.x.x -P 8 -R -t 120
Nice video btw
Have fun :)
Thanks so much! Forgot to mention in this video that I did already have 9000 MTU set for both my NAS and the Thunderbolt 3 -> 10GBE adapter. Thanks for the tips re iperf too, I'll give those a go!
@@AlexPettitt You're welcome, anytime :)
You either have deep pockets, or get a ton of sponsored product for review. “So cool!” Dream job reviewing gadgets!!
FANTASTIC!! Love those plates too! What's for dinner?!
How did you get the Blackmagic Disk Speed test to have files bigger than 5 GB as a stress test? I only get up to 5...
Good walkthrough video. Curious why you put the unmanaged switch on the desk vs in the closet. Was it simply because you accidentally ordered the managed switch and primary objective was more ports at the desk; or was there a network security issue you were addressing?
Watching this naturday night fever! Thanks for the walkthrough.
Thanks so much for sharing! I am a video editor in Tampa Florida and have hundreds of TB on several external hard drives. I have recently taken on the lead role as video director as our last director got a new job. I have been trying to upload all of our files onto a Synology NAS because that is what we have, a DS920+. It gets the job done but it is no QNAP TS-h973AX-32G as you showed in your other video. The hard drives we have are super old and slow so getting all the external drives backed up to the NAS is going to take days to complete.
Yeah it sounds like the slow hard drives will you main bottleneck here. I feel your pain with having to transfer that much data! I would just leave it going overnight on a machine that doesn’t need to be used during the day :)
@@AlexPettitt thank you for seeing me lol. I’ve tried that but our internet isn’t the best being at a local church, so it’ll cut out and stop the upload.
@@CSquare324 why are you transferring through internet? Your Nas has USB your external hard drives usually do too. So hook them up directly and you will have a much faster speed. You might have to go to church more 😂
And usually the network connection is slower then the hard drives in your Nas
Great demonstration. I would like to see how much power the QSW-1208-8C draws. It is rated for 50 W which I think is a lot. I would perhaps have gone for a single QSW-M2106-4C (rated for 36 W) instead of your two new switches.
Recently got the other version of that switch where the 10GbE ports are SFP+ instead of RJ45. Absolutely fantastic for home use: you can get (silent) 10 gig connection between workstation and server and then use the 2.5GbE ports for things like fast Wifi 6 AP which do make use of 2.5Gb and maybe media/guest room PC and still have em connected to the server with plenty fast link.
So basically 10gb pointless unless you are doing video transfer
@@chriswright8074 I mean if you have NAS with storage pool capable of exceeding 2.5GbE sustained throughput, then it makes sense for any kind of file transfer. Your average home user will do just fine with 2.5 though, which is rapidly becoming the default speed in most consumer motherboards and NAS appliances.
Most people don't have $3000+ to drop on a 10GbE Home Network. It can be done for less than $1000.
While functional, it's entirely overcomplicated for your use case imho.
Alex, could you make a tutorial video on how to set up your NAS and computer to check network and file transfer speeds? I am new to this and need help figuring out what software/s to install on my WIN 11 desktop/laptop.
Thanks for this video! Super helpful. I'm also trying to go to 10GB and will likely get the same unmanaged switch you recommended. What is your experience with the QNAP 10GB Thunderbolt connector to your computer? I got one and am having trouble with the fan sound. Is that an issue for you and recording?
Great stuff. I stumbled upon your channel and love it already. Ironically enough I have the same NAS and smaller switch. Keep it up.
Thanks so much! Really glad you enjoyed the video. Which NAS are you currently using?
@@AlexPettitt I've got the TS-932PX
Any thoughts about what NAS you may be thinking of upgrading to in the future? Great vids, great work!!!
You proved to me that I definitely don’t need it😂🤣😂 Some informations about Prices would have been informative as well…
🤩Hi there Alex, thank you so much for this info. I've been following your NAS setup since previous videos. I'm doing the same setup to be used with a team of 5 people that needs to edit video from the NAS. Though I know I will need to do RAID 0 with my disks. However, I have a quick question though. Is this QNAP model good to to team edits? Appreciate your answer🙏
Thank you so much for your video, helped me a lot!
Weldone and great video do to record to your straight to your QNAP with the 10 gigabit Network.
Not currently as there is no way to record from an ATEM Mini direct the NAS... but I'm hoping that becomes a feature in the near future
We are gunna do this for my high schools tv studio
Amazing!! Hope it all goes well
What network file system did you end up using? NFS? SMB? Something else?
Doing the same here with Ubiquiti 10gbe Aggregation Switch and Synology in combination with Ironwolf Pro disks. Works 8 times faster dan 1gbe in Lightroom and Premiere Pro 💪
Hei Alex, thanks for the video! I'm wondering, what model is the CyberPower UPS?
Just an FYI for those looking in the future. Those flat cables are not CAT rated for any standard. Category 5, 5e, 6, 6a, & 8 (7 was never accepted as a standard) cables are constructed with a round cable because they have to rotate within the pair and the pairs have to rotate around the other pairs. In other words, the 2 wires within a pair are twisted, and all the pairs are twisted. That’s not possible with flat cables.
Lets go Dude!!!
Does I need a 10gb switch to get 10gb speed? My Nas has two 10gbe port and I connect one of them direct to my computer.
Rippin Well
Can this particular NAS used here be connected directly to the computer via USB. I know qnap has quick access via USB, does this model has that
Nice to have, though when you want fast editing then work on your local nvme disks. Then there is no problem you have to solve.
Thanks for all this info. What kind of performance compromise would I see if I had a less powerful NAS, like 8gb ram quadcore?
Hi Alex, great video and excellent walk-through. Love your setup. I have a similar layout, but was wondering how did you set up WIFI for your mobile devices to have signal all around your home?
Thanks Fernando, glad you liked it. My wifi is actually a pretty simple setup as my router seems to cover most of my home. However I am looking into doing a future video about Mesh wifi setups. If this something you'd be interested in?
@@AlexPettitt indeed! That would be great. Right now I’m curious if having the switch before the router brought you any issues. Did you have to setup VLANs?
Just curious: when you were playing back the braw footage what storage media in your NAS were you playing back from?
I thought the SSD NAND chips were only really good for small random read/writes? Do they really give you better performance for write speed with video editing from your NAS?
How do you have your SSD cache set up? TB size of your NVME? Is there a big performance difference between read-write vs read only ssd cache? I've heard it is recommended that we use nvme designed specifically for NAS -- is that a big issue if we use standard m.2 nvme?
17:42 are your "editing folders" on SSDs per your directive, or does the os move them to the SSDs because it identies them as frequently used? Are your editing folders part of the raid, a separate raid, or not part of raid at all?
Did you enable jumbo frames on all the network cards and switches? These are awesome speeds, I’m curious if you needed to enable that too.
Great question! Yes I have enabled Jumbo frames on both the QNAP Thunderbolt 3 to 10GBE adapter, and the 10GBE card in my NAS :)
@@AlexPettitt with it disabled was it a big difference? I was reading that it could effect how your computer loaded things on the internet as 1500 MTU was a standard but 9000 MTU had some sites and apps (creative cloud) that would hang up loading because of it. Was there an optimal way to isolate the jumbo frames to the local network and still have the standard 1500 MTU for compatibility? Thanks for this video, it was fantastic. I’m trying to decide if the performance increase from jumbo frame enabled switches is worth the upgrade. I have 10 Gbe now but the switches in the middle don’t support jumbo frame. I have a Qnap tvs 8 NAS with raid 6 on WD RED PROS and I max out at around 300 MBps on uploading a TB of footage from a shoot to the NAS. I want to speed that up as I’m on 10 Gbe.
@@robposner2656 Next time I transfer a big project over to my NAS I'll set everything back to 1500 and see what speeds I get. Will report back.
As for issues using 9000 MTU, so far I've had none :)
@@AlexPettitt You are the best, thank you. I am genuinely curious.
@@robposner2656 I am too. You asked a question I thought of as well. I have read that if you enable jumbo frames, all the devices that talk on the same network must be able to handle them (set to Jumbo as well?) or they'll choke and not work properly. It is why I haven't done it so far -- goal was to isolate the NAS, which has 10Gbe connection, on a switch to which I connect my PC with 10Gbe connection, and have an alternate route for all 1 Gbe connections to my PC. Dunno if this complexity is required, and would certainly like to avoid it if possible.
Hey haven't seen you since Periscope.
Maybe you can help me here. I set up a very similar network with a QNAP NAS and had it sitting on my desk. When plugged into the 10GB port on the NAS and the 10GB port on my PC I got blistering speeds as expected (800-1000MB/s) When I look at the WNAP Finder I see 2 IP addresses if I search files on the 10GB IP it is fast and uses that wire and when using the other IP it goes over the slower wire at 1GB. I have both connected to be able to access it on the internet. Now the issue is I moved it to my closet about 20ft away from me, I can run a CAT6 right to my PC and it goes slow, like 1GB speeds. I have it set up with a 10GB switch like you have but it still goes slow. What am I doing wrong, I had the speed when it was on my desk but now it is the same speed no matter what IP address I use.
This trick will even make you work faster. Just edit with your files stored local on your SSD.
Of course, direct attach SSD storage can give fantastic speeds… but there an many instances where edit teams need fast storage in the network so the can all have access to the files etc
Nice. And you know waht would be a LOT cheaper? Mikrotik switches.
Mikrotik doesn't have switches like QNAP
hey alex may i ask how did you get to use a stress test size larger than 5GB? ours only have 5GB on the option for stress size. thanks
Hi Alex, did you add the SATA PCI/e SSD drives?
"that's not a permanent setup" but the cable going through the room across the floor is permanent :D
Nice video, I also just bought a QNAP QSW-1208-8C. What are you using a rasberry pi for?
Hey Logan, good question. I mainly use it either to ran a custom built dashboard for productions, or I also sometimes use it as a SRT / RTMP receiver, when bringing in remote videos. Nothing too major
Such a great video, thanks you! I would be interested in seeing you results for NAS vs SANS. I'm guessing that all this would still be bottle necked by your Ethernet or Wifi speed, if woking remotely and without a Fiber Optic connection?
Hey Marvin, thanks so much for the kind comment. Glad you enjoyed it! I haven't got too much knowledge on SANs but will have to look into it for sure! If working remotely, yeah I'd say your main bottle neck will be internet connection. One of the things I'm keen to test in the future is if both ends have a 1gbps internet connection, can you max out that 1gbps remotely :) Maybe I'll save that for another video one day :)
waw that was so amizing
so there is no way to access the NAS through 10gbe speeds just through the network? do you have to be plugged in?
Also on my 8 drive qnap (mechanical drives) I get 1010mb read with some optimisation via terminal... How did you get the Blackmagic Disk Speed test to have files bigger than 5 GB as a stress test? I only get up to 5...
Nice!! Would love to hear what you did for the terminal optimisation!
@@AlexPettitt
1. Disabled the creation of .DS_Store files on the network via terminal command: "defaults write com.apple.desktopservices DSDontWriteNetworkStores -bool TRUE"
2. Made sure SMB 3.0 is the minimum as well as the maximum connection via QNAP admin.
3. Enabled the newly added "Enable kernel-mode SMB daemon" in the "Control Panel > Win/Mac/NFS > Advanced Options".
4. Created one big thick volume instead of a thin one (no snapshot support).
5. Disabled signing via terminal "[default]
signing_required=no" in the "/etc/nsmb.conf" file.
6. Deleted the "ransom-subscription-ware" :) qsirch since they falsely advertised spotlight support with and have since backtracked...
7. Disabled network recycle bin... big perfomance hit
Also make sure to use fixed ip's for everything, and use the latest ventura/monterey macOS. Significantly improved smb performance vs older OSes. Short distances (~10-15meters) and I get this performance even with cat 6/5e cables
Hi ! thanks for th e informative video, Can I do a 4K Edit with D-link DMS-106XT | 6-Port which has 2.5 gigabyte speed?
Yes.
Linus did it.
I have nearly the same setup but without the big switch (and Synology 1621+). Works great and I use it for editing from the NAS. But whats annoys me is the fan of the QNAP Thunderbolt adapter. It gehts very hot and loud. What did you do to avoid this?
Yeah I have noted that too. During big transfer the fan do's like to kick in. I've bough a longer 2m Thunderbolt 3 cable so I can place the adapter a bit future away :)
@@AlexPettitt Thats what was my idea too. In your case switching to the QNAP SFP+ adapter would be an option because you already have a SFP+ switch. Like I said I only have the small one without SFP+ and would have to replace both. Thats a lot of money just because of a loud fan :)
how does a 10gb switch work . does it literally " accelerate " the 1gb to 10gb
Thanks for sharing. I got the other version of the thunderbolt adapter, but had to return it because the write speeds was as 3 MBps. (Probably a faulty unit)
Do you have any issues with the QNAP thunderbolt to 10Gbe Adapter?
That’s strange. Yeah the thunderbolt to 10GBE Ethernet adapter has been great so far. My only gripe with it is that the fans can sometimes really kick in when you’re using it a lot. But performance wise it’s been good!
@@AlexPettitt That is Great to know! Thank You 🙏🏽 Keep up the good work! 👍🏾
Why did you buy the small switch? Couldn't you have connected the nas directly to the big 8 port 10gb switch and only use that one? Did you need a second 10gbps port in the nas storage area?
Yeah exactly :) I needed a 10GBE switch at my desk as well to be able to connect up multiple 10GBE devices.
Any issues occur with the switches looking to buy the same combo?
3:05. Dont mix ethernet cables with power ones. They produce net fluctuation. Ok It s not 230v ac but its a good tactics to separate them,
Try jumbo packets?
Hey! Can anyone help me install iperf on my NAS and mac? I've got the Qnap NAS, with QNAP 10gbe Switch, and plugged into a OWC Thunderbolt dock with 10gbe but only getting about 400 write speed and 600 read speed on black magic disk speed tool. I've configured both the NAS and and OWC doc to have jumbo frames. Any ideas?
QNAP MANAGED 10GbE Switch (QSW-M1208-8C) Did you really need this to connect your devices or you can just run a ethernet to a PC from the QNAP 10GbE & 2.5GbE Switch (QSW-2104-2T)?
NDI is the future
Right of the bat I can tell u flat ethernet cables are a huge nono, I saw with my own eyes devices that wouldn't negotiate 1gbs because of the flat cable, they would connect to 100mbps, after swapping the cable out with regular non-flat ethernet cable 1gbps connection would establish.
It's in the fundamentals of the ethernet cable that the criss cross weaving of the 8 wires is needed to minimise the cross talk, and that criss cross weaving is what makes the ethernet cable round and not flat.
The rooter!!!!
... so ... question... What's the deal with a 7 cat FLAT cable? Just easier to store away...? Because you can get 10 Gig with a round old cat 5e... Just wondering....
The flat cable is more of a preference than anything else. I like it as I find it easier to work with especially when laying in trucking or floors :) Hope this helps
@@AlexPettitt Of course, I was just wondering. Keep up the good work :-)
I think you overcomplicated that on that usecase showed in the video. Why didn't you go by router to nas to computer as your qnap could bridge the internet do that avoding to buy the tb 10gb adapter, big switch, maybe the small is good for really extending your network in future. In the end it must work and thats why i liked the video
Good question! I thought about doing this… but the main reason I didn’t was because:
1) If the NAS or it’s network card was to fail then I would loose all internet connection to my desk.
2) I sometimes turn my NAS off / kill power to it for periods of time…and wanted to make sure I could i I could still get internet to my desk even with it off.
Great question though, and glad you enjoyed the video 👍
My NAS only has one LAN port.. can this one Port make it both connected to the internet + be used to edit with via cable?
yes
@@estusflask982 thats dope - thank you!
What I'm missing in this video is the info if you bought the switch or it was given to you for free!
If second, whole video is just a paid advertisement and not to be taken seriously
Nice did you mention the price of this?
There are links to each product in the description which should then show the lowest price in your location :)
Do you need to have 10gb Router?
SMB communication can be a bottle neck, especially with apple devices and their SMB implementation. I get better speeds using Linux/Windows clients or using AFP for file transfers.
Would you be confident to have 3 video editing workstations working off this setup all together? Or would you recommend jumping up to the TVS-h1288X? THanks!
Hey Pete, I'd say it also depends on what type of files you plan to be working with and the type of drives you plan to put inside / RAID config. Is it 1080p footage or 4K / 6K?
@@AlexPettitt Thank you, Alex. All 4k, Sony files from cine cameras, all post in the Adobe suite. Cheers!
Are you sure that 10+[2x2.5] will give you 15 GbE.... Not sure you get that right, about link agregation 🤔
what computers are you using for your video editing today?
Right now, a 16 inch MacBook Pro. But a new Mac Studio may be arriving soon 😏
I made a video showing how to edit 4k vids from a nas without all the 10 gig ethernet stuff! its very doable!
you should go to 100g - not that much more per port
Going to have to look into this next 😏
21:00 what is the 8tb storage you are using here?
That is the Blackmagic Cloud Store Mini 8TB :)
@@AlexPettittSo basically 10gb pointless unless you are doing video transfer
QNAP is literally the worst switch I've ever used. First, they can't even figure out how to set a management vlan to anything beside vlan 1, and second they removed the one useful thing they could have provided, root access to the switch for some janky cli. I bought one cheap as apparently it shipped without screws in the fan to attach it to the heatsink, and fixed it myself to test, but it's been bad to worse with this thing. Buy anything but a QNAP switch.
Why the waste? You could've set the Internet router straight into the NAS and gotten internet and data straight from the NAS without wasting the extra money on the smaller switch. It's not like you will tax the NAS or the 10GBe connection by doing it and it would've kept the installation cleaner.
It’s a good point and I should have mentioned this in the video, but I sometimes turn off the NAS for extended periods of time. So I didn’t want to run the router into it for that reason :)
20:45 Looks like it's time for a 25-40 Gbps network upgrade! :)
That’s not a cupboard
Thats not really a "10Gbe" switch if most of the ports are 2.5Gbit is it ? hmmm ? lol
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Hm, why not clear up the mess you have while you are upgrading your network?
That mess I would not show of to the world.
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be clear: cat 6 is not 10Gbps
DEERRRRRR if your going to upgrade if you go to 10Gig what a waste of money for the price of a 100Gig switch reap the benefit and save up dating for 2Gb to 10Gig to 100Gb in 2 years time while your at it I expect your only using Cat 2 cabling so you have not taken into the losses in the old cables! at the higher speeds! as speed / Frequancy increases so dose the internal restance of the cable.
If i am using a physical hardisk would I be able to hit 10Giga speed ?