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#synology #nas
TOC:
00:00 Introduction
02:05 Why should you upgrade to 10Gbe (or 2.5 Gbe)
07:50 Components needed
11:02 NAS
12:59 Switch
15:44 Adapter
17:12 Setting everything up
22:07 Speed test
24:19 Conclusion
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A few thoughts from my recent experience (DS1821+):
* 10 Gb generates a lot of heat & requires ventilation.
* SFP+ with optical transceivers is the way to go. Quality components count.
* Consider turning on jumbo frames
* Consider upgrading RAM on NAS
* Unless using solid state drives, striping across 4 or more drives will be required to saturate 10 Gb.
1000% agree. 10gbe (twisted pair Ethernet) runs VERY hot. SFP+ DAC or SPF+ fibre is the way to go. Avoid Ethernet in 10G world where possible
Running my Synology with my Mac Studio via native 10GBit - great performance and easy workflow for a professional photographer 🔥 thanks for your content! Used your videos to setting all up :)
Internet providers in my country are now offering 10Gbit Up/Down fiber. Its amazing, I can use my NAS anywhere as if I was home.
Do you have 10Gb connection "anywhere" you connect from? In the hotel? At work? In a cafe? Really doubt it is the case.
@@leonidiakovlev Yeah No. I actually dont even have it at home, it still costs a lot more than 1Gbit. But what amazed me was the availability of the technology, previously I choose to have the NAS at my work apartment so I can get the fastest access but my family not, now I can have it at my family house (safer there) and still enjoy at least 1Gbit during the weekdays.
In theory. Turns out even if you have a fat pipe to and from your NAS, over distances other things can become a restriction. I had some experience with this where (with all devices being on symmetrical gigabit fiber) a same-building network gave me full gigabit speeds between NASes, a same-city connection gave me 500mbitd and a cross-continent connection gave me 15mbit. The only way to take advantage of both sides’ gigabit connection was to massively parallelize the copy task with rclone giving 800mbits, which is certainly not a solution for everyone. I lost some data on the way
@@TheShortStory nice info. Maybe high ping affects the SMB protocol.
@@ruben34 yes, if I recall correctly I concluded that was the primary problem at the time. And every other protocol I tried seemed to struggle to about the same degree
Great video. Perfect timing for me as I’m looking into upgrading my switch and adapters on my devices.
i needed this video a week ago because i accidentally bought the sfp plus adapter for my synology and not the rj45 haha. Your videos are fantastic and it has solely been what i have used to build my nas for my video production company. great work!
Very useful video. Thanks
Great video! Thank you!
Awesome video as always.
Thanks for this! Just bought a NAS.
Great video
Excellent topic! It may be worth testing your speed using a Docker container on your NAS with iPerf or OpenSpeedTest installed.
I've got a thunderbolt 3 to SFP+ from QNAP and connect it to my Unifi 8 port USW via DAC cable. love it. solid and haven't had any issues in over a year. from there, my DS1621+ is connected to the USW via SFP+ ethernet adapter. I get 9400 Mbit iperf3 speeds
Great video.
Waiting for 10Gbe to be a bit more cost effective ((currently have a 48 port, 1Gbe switch).
Thinking about possibly moving the NAS and main PC to a smaller 10Gbe switch and cascade that switch to the 48 port one for less demanding clients (TV, Fridge, etc.).
The house if hard wired for CAT A copper.
I also use Jumbo Frames on my devices. One thing people forget is that the switch also need to support Jumbo Frames.
If you have a "smart switch" you can activate Jumbo Frames on it. The Flex 10 GbE got a setting for Jumbo Frames that you can activate
My 10 Gbit network speed got more stable when I activated Jumbo Frames
Jumbo frames is largely irrelevant today. All it really does is send less, larger packets. So unless you have woefully underpowered devices or huge bottlenecks, you shouldn't see a difference with packet sizes. Also jumbo frames can cause a lot of issues if not set up properly. Highly discourage anyone using it for general purpose.
I have a 10gbe upgrade on my DS1522+. I don't get full speed since I have a 2.5gbe switch but still feels like a significant upgrade in speed, even on wifi6e. Will probably upgrade to full 10gbe in a few years once wifi7 is also more common and less expensive.
My only need for faster connections are for system backup images (I use Acronis and file imaging). I don't stream 4K so really wouldn't ever saturate 1Gb network. Even so, like folks that keep tweaking their cars for performance, I like to have a fast network even if I'll never really need it. I'm waiting for Synology to get 2.5Gb ethernet on their prosumer grade NAS before upgrading (got LAG on 2x 1Gb ports).
what about trying to setup 2x10gb setup (pc - switch - nas) to get smb3 to work? I've hit 1.6 gb transfers but most of the time it's less than 1.0gb
I have 6 EXOS drives in my nas with 10G. I have a 10G switch and a OWC 10G nic on my m1 mac. Followed your instructions setting it up.
But I'm only getting about 300MBs reads and 200MBs writes for some reason. What am I missing?
My Synology NAS (DS1019+) does not have the option of an add-in card so no 10Gb for me. However, I have configured the NAS to use both 1Gb ports aggregated together to get (almost) 2Gb.
There's no need to disable wifi. What you need to do is set the right service order for macOS use the network adapters in preference order that you set.
So that’s only true for initiating connections.
If you connect to the sever on WiFi, then get wired Ethernet, it will stay connected on WiFi
@@SpaceRexWill Then why bother turning off WiFi at all? Now you have lost access to the rest of the network and the internet to only use the NAS? If you turn off WiFi it disconnects the NAS and breaks the connection, but you could just do that by ejecting the NAS from the Finders sidebar. @SpaceRexWill is correct that you need to break the session, but @IntoxicatedVortex is correct that setting the service order is the right way for future connections. I would also add that you could use the "Connect to Server" option in the finders GO menu and connect by IP address so you can pick between the two interfaces. There are multiple ways to accomplish using the 10GBe connection but turning off your WiFi should only be done if troubleshooting and not the correct way for the long term.
On my DS1821+ 32gb ram with 8x16tb seagate exos drives i only get up to 500mbps reads/writes
even with nvme cache or nvme pool
what could be the reason?
I am looking to buy my first Nas for Plex. I would like to rip and watch UHD movies with Dolby TrueHD to my home theater i am torn between the F4-424 and the pro version. Could i get some advice on what one to go for? cheers.
I have don’t come from zero to setting up 10g and basically knowing how to set up my nas with your videos. But small request : please show some simple network diagrams or data tables or text overlay to explain difficult terms and layout options. A picture tells a 1000 words.
I think you more/less answered my question, but with that specific switch - does it route traffic between clients on the switch itself and not require hitting the firewall to route? I have a UDW and was considering one of these switches you show downstream for two Synology units and a PC.
It only hits the FW if you are going between subnets, on a single subnet you should not have to go through a firewall
@@SpaceRexWill THANK YOU for clarifying that! That really helps put me on the right direction.
should also mention that encrypted shares on most home synology units will significantly eat into the expected 10GBe speeds.
What does the latency(ping/jitter) do when I get my personal game pc a usbc -to- 2.5gbs adapter?...
Nothing
yeah I went with 2.5Gbe, luckily my router has a 2.5 port so I got a 2.5Gb switch for connecting my 1gig devices and my multi-2.5Gb port NAS to my LAN, should be able to have multiple computers transferring files while serving up Plex media and also downloading new content all at the same time ... 10Gb hardware will have to become more affordable and widely available before I make that jump
what if my router etherner port is 1Gbit, but i have that switch, Nas and donggle for 10Gbit.
is that works for full speed ?
Yes! anything that is just going through that switch (and not to the internet) will be 10GbE
@@SpaceRexWill thanks for the confirmation, i just afraid i had bottleneck because my main router the port is only a gigabit speed.
Can you please elaborate on 4gig ports NASes. How to take full advantage and what realistic expectations for speed in this scinario 4bay synology.
I go over this here!
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@@SpaceRexWill thank you!
A somewhat related topic: have you tested wifi7? Can it saturate 1Gbps RJ45 between NAS and router?
would the NETGEAR 8-Port 1G/10G Gigabit Ethernet Unmanaged Switch $99 work?
You have to consider hard drive speeds in your NAS, especially if it's only 4 bays. You'll get bottlenecked! He doesn't mention this until 22:59. You may not be able to get the full use out of your 10GbE, but you can still achieve some levels of higher speed depending on the drives.
SSD Cache, I can saturate full 10Gbe speed even with 4 bay.
Also this mostly applies to SMB which is async. Try getting 10Gb with rsync or NFS with 4 drives. Caching can help but if not mirrored with power protected drives your asking for data loss so not usually worth the extra cost.
@@Ray-dv1md Two 1TB NVMe caches, 64 GB of RAM. I haven’t moved a single large file over 8 gigabytes, but I have moved many 1-2GB video files to and from the NAS in 1 second, at 1 gigabyte per second, so that means the caching does work.
I‘ve the same problem on my Mac, when WLAN is enabled, the connection speed to the Synology (10GBit) is incredibly bad… using WiFi only for AirDrop, and when forgotten to turn it off - my next Filetransfer will be last forever 🤣
and the cables? what is needed?
Depends on length.
Generally, for copper you need cat6a. But even those vary in quality. Get real copper, not CCA. Don't skimp.
If the run is short you could potentially get away with cat5e/cat6 but that's a lottery.
The setup is perfect, and the only bottleneck I am seeing is the speed of the hard drives, how do you overcome this, is there a way of using a couple of ssds as buffer for transferring at a high speed??
there is not. The SSD cache is only for random reads, which will not really help you here.
The best thing to do is just add in more drives
Don't forget to mention that you also need the correct cabling to support 10Gbe or 2.5Gbe. For 10Gbe Cat 5e will no longer do while for 2.5Gbe it might still work. If you want to be sure it works upgrade your network cables to at least CAT 6
cat 5e is fine for 10gig in most homes
@@daillengineer Cat 5e didn't work for connecting my Fiber modem to my router. Fell back to 100Mbit instead of even 2.5 or 1 Gbit
@@PhoenixNL72-DEGA- then you had a bad cable. It works just fine at 30m.
@@daillengineer Had to replace multiple cables all CAT 5e (Store bought not self made patch cables). Might just have been a Fiber modem and Router issue.
@@PhoenixNL72-DEGA- could be. I have a 10g network and only use 5e. Many people do the same because their homes only have 5e in the walls.
could you cover 2.5gbit or 5gbit usb connections for synology ?
Planning on it. Just hard to make those videos as I dont want the wrong users following them and wrecking their systems
@@SpaceRexWill I know it requires some tinkering, but I myself could use a proper guide rather than the scrambles on the internet. I have a synology 1515+ and could really use an improvement, even at 2.5gbit.
Getting the drivers to work for a USB network adapter for harder with dsm7, iirc
Gooood Job !!!!! You made the change I told …. Very very good speach….. 🎉
Why didn't you show how to set up the 2,5 adapter that shoowed and thought was a better alternative? All the newbies maybe wanted to see that to.
It hadn't taken so much time to show how.
It's a little hacky, which is likely why he didn't show it.
Just upgraded my DS923+ with 10GbE only to have to return everything because the only way I could take advantage of the high speeds on a 4-bay like that would be to use the NVME slots as a storage pool.
4 Hard drives in a RAID should be able to do at least ~400 - 600 MB/s which is 4-6x what a 1GbE connection can do
@@SpaceRexWill That is true, but I wanted to take full advantage of the speeds I paid for. I've decided to wait until prices are lower to get 4TB NVMEs for full 10GbE speeds. I'll use this (unofficially supported) storage pool for my active video editing projects, and use the hard drives for inactive project storage.
Why do you need to create NVME as storage pool, just use NVME as cache? I've done a real world test and was able to move a 1GB video file from and to the NAS in 1 second. 1 gigabyte per second, which is around 10 Gigabit.
@@tama47_you'd need good ssds to have write cache enabled, those are also not so cheap
@@tama47_ video editing straight from the NAS
One thing to note is, that even with NVME-SSD you will not able to reach 10GbE, since the DS923+ NVME Slots use PCIe 3.0 x1, which can't go up to 10GbE
The fear mongering around SFP+ transceivers is a bit odd. They are cheaper, and run cooler than RJ45. I expected this 'complete upgrade guide' to actually explain how to figure out which transceivers to buy.
I thing I found sad, is that you disregard cat 7. It's not even about speed, but you can go up to 100 meters without loosing speed. And Ugreen makes ones, and they are well known for cables/ac adapters and even most recent NAS.
CAT7 is not an IEEE standard. CAT6A can do 100m 10GbE in spec.
I never recomend users buy CAT7 or 8. At most you will need for 10GbE is CAT6A.
Instead of Ethernet I’d advise using SFP+ and optical transceivers, especially if you want distance. You can run 300m of fiber at 10Gb. It’s surprisingly cheap too: 100m of fiber is way less material than 100m of Cat6! Also,10G fiber transceivers run WAY less hot than Ethernet transceivers
@@therumblerthe only downside is the connectors. They're way chunkier than rj45, and should be handled with some care.
cat8 for 40gbe is perfectly reasonable and cat8 is not much more than cat6 but supports faster speeds which is nice when you want to upgrade your network with a 50 dollar dual port 56g card - saying all cat7 and cat8 cables are garbage is simply an uninformed opinion and wrong also #mellanox #connect-x
There is no 50GbE card that runs over copper RJ45