Camping with Lithium [ The Perfect Dual Battery Setup ]
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- Camping with Lithium , the perfect dual battery setup going forward.
This is my new look, Lithium dual battery setup for camping while Im out in the bush.
I have recently changed my dual battery setup in my 4WD from a lead acid battery under the bonnet to a light weight 100 amp hour lithium battery thats mounted inside my 4WD, this new setup runs all of my camping accessories.
There's a lot of advantages making the change from a big, heavy lead acid battery to a light weight lithium battery.
A lithium battery is about half of the weight, coming in at around 15 kgs.
You can use 100% of a lithium battery before it needs to be charged, where as the lead acid battery has only about 50% of the batteries capacity that is useable. Below that, you run the risk of damaging that battery.
It is a costly replacement changing over to running a lithium dual battery set up for camping accessories.
But, it is the way of the future going forward.
Have you made the change from lead acid batteries to a lithium battery to run all of your camping accessories?
What size have you got and how do you find it?
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G'day guys,
There's been a few replies saying it's ok to mount a lithium battery under the bonnet.
Thats fine if you want to do that.
But for me, there's so many reports say that Lithium batteries don't like going in an engine bay.
With the cost, it's not an experiment i wanted to take and find out down the track that the heat of the engine bay destroyed the battery.
Do your research guys on which way you go.
100% agree Tim
@@brentwall9786 Yeah mate, not a risk i would be taking.
Usual recommendations for LiFePO4 batteries are:
Charging: 0 °C - 45 °C
Discharging : -20 °C - 55 °C
Especially charging below 0 °C will kill the cells, though the BMS should prevent this.
Unless the battery is in a separate compartment in the engine bay (Like a 80 series 'Cruiser) you're going to shorten the life of the battery. It doesn't matter what the manufacturer says, you can't beat the limitations of the chemistry.
@@LockyourHubs4WDing Great reply and information mate.
Really appreciate it.
Cheers Tim
Yeah, I'm in the "very hot temp is bad for lithium" camp. I too fitted my lithium aux battery inside the cabin.
Great video Tim! Thanks for sharing your new setup…looks fantastic.
Thanks mate.
Glad to hear you found the video helpful.
Cheers Tim
Nice work Tim
Glad you finally made the change
Been a long time coming mate.
Im glad it's done.
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
The KISS principle, love it.😊
G'day Howard,
Only way to go when it comes to electrics inside a vehicle.
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
Love this vid mate, as i too am thinking of what to do to improve my battery power for the Ranger.
As tech moves so quickly i think we will all be changing what we have, and making up grades .
Thanks again for more good content !
😎👌
Yeah mate, the change to lithium has been on my mind for a long time now.
Glad I’ve done it.
Seems to be the way to go , going forward.
Thanks for your feedback mate.
Cheers Tim
Definitely a game changer . I now run an induction cooker if we are travelling daily as it’s much more convenient than having gas .
Gday mate.
Lithium battery would be great for running your cooker.
Top stuff mate.
Cheers Tim
well done brother ! good to see you out on the road again, ,,, winters coming and hope to see see you in the snow soon !!!!
Thanks David. Snow season is only just around the corner, im looking forward to it.
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
G’day Tim I start following you because I’m converting my 99 triton to travel Australia, I really appreciate your job and all what I’m learning from you
Thank you so much
Gday mate.
Thanks very much for following my videos.
There’s plenty more videos coming.
Thanks very much for your feedback mate.
Cheers Tim
Plenty of pie and dimmy space Tim, happy travelling, catch ya on the next video.....oorroo
Haha lol
Absolutely mate.
Cheers Tim
Good video thanks Tim and some great supplementary info in the comments from your subscribers.
Gday mate.
Thanks for that.
Glad you found the video helpful and some great feedback from a lot of people that have commented.
Cheers Tim
Love it mate. KIS is the way to go. Looking forward to more videos
Thanks mate.
Simple setup is the go when it comes to electrical wiring.
Less chance of issues.
I appreciate your feedback mate
Cheers Tim
Hi Tim,Im not commenting on the content of you new video.
More that its great to see you back again.
Im not " pissing in your pocket" but ypu seem to me to be just an average guy having a go.
And then sharing your knowledge gained ,with your viewers.
You should feel proud !!
Regards Grant
G'day Grant,
Yeah mate, im just that.
An average bloke sharing my passion for camping and helping out people where i can.
Really appreciate your reply mate.
Cheers Tim
Finally got my patrol all fixed from the head issues, got a fresh dyno tune. Now the mechanical stuff is out of the way, i need to start thinking electrical systems. This video gave some ideas.
Cheers Tim, great video mate.
G'day Jordan,
Thats great mate you have your Patrol engine issues sorted out so you can now focus on your electrical setup.
Thanks for your feedback mate.
Cheers Tim
Great video Tim, Love the simplicity of the setup too. Im looking at doing a similar thing. Keep up the awesome videos.
Thanks mate.
When it comes to electrics, a simple setup is a better option.
Cheers Tim
Hey Tim, that's a game changing modification, and it's future proofed the mighty patrols off grid capabilities
Gday James,
Thanks mate.
This setup should last me a very long time.
Cheers Tim
Good to see people's choice of their 12-volt set up is basic and they are happy with it, good job Tim👍
G'day Brent,
When it comes to electrics in vehicle, having a simple setup means far less change of issues and electrical fires.
Thanks mate for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
Thanks Tim, your battery set up looks great and ready fro the bush camps . I didn't know you can't mount a Lithium externally as I wanted to put one in the back of the ute under a hard cover. 👍🍻🍻
Gday Mark
Yes mate, mounting them in the back is the go.
They don’t have liquid inside like a lead acid battery.
So, you can mount them on their sides without issues.
Thanks for your feedback mate.
Cheers Tim
You won't regret the move to lithium. Enjoy! thanks for the content. cheers
Thats for sure mate. It's great now.
Cheers Tim
Good stuff Batesy! Awesome video as usual mate.
Thanks mate.
Hope your travels are going well.
Cheers Tim
Good info, one problem that could be a big one if you do any water crossings is that it will get wet.
Great video mate I’m running a dcs 110ah lithium in my 200 with a redarc 40amp bcdc and it’s the best thing I’ve done to my battery setup.
I no longer stress about running out of power and having warm beer
Thanks mate. Nothing worse than the beers going warm. Lol.
Cheers Tim
Great job Tim
Thanks mate.
Simple setup.
Cheers Tim
hey tim another great one. great idea about removing the extra battery under the bonnet. when i get the box on the back of my hilux im going to do the same. get rid of the extra battery under bonnet.
Gday Gary,
If you have a spot away from under the bonnet, it’s worth it I reckon.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim
Nice set up Tim.
More importantly great to see you up and about , doing what you do !
I have been running a 100Ah lithium battery for almost 3 years now it brilliant and works well for me. I run an Engel draw fridge , Travel buddy , lights and CPAP off it and it plenty big enough for my needs.
Lithium has greater depth of discharge than AGM, so 100Ah in Lithium is roughly equivalent to 150-180 Ah in AGM ( my bush maths).
So reckon you should be ok with your set up.
Keep the good work .
Thanks Tim.
Gday David,
Thanks heaps mate.
I’m getting back into it after the fall.
It’s great being back out.
So far I think my 100ah will do the job, lithium is such a better way to go for all the reasons you mentioned.
Thanks maté
Cheers Tim
Nice little set up Tim. lithium is certainly the way of the future 👍
G'day Craig,
Thanks mate.
Lithium is the go for sure.
Cheers Tim
Nice job Tim 👏
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
Great set up Tlm. Steve.
Thanks mate.
It will be great for my setup.
Cheers Tim
That's a great set up well done. I had mine in the canopy of my Hilux and had nothing but trouble with the heat. Now it's behind the backseat best thing I've done nice and neat as well and out of the way
G'day Chris,
Thanks mate.
Sounds like you have a top set up in the canopy of your rig.
Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures I'm still in the works with my setup I can never be please at all it's rather one thing or I'll do another thing you know what I mean it's a guy's thing's haha. I wanted to take the back seats out of duel can and wow the things you gotta go through
@@chriscoyne4827 Yeah mate, taking the seats out is a big deal if you want to remain legal on the road.
I went through it and im glad i did.
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
Gday Tim 100 ah lithium will be plenty maté especially with 80 amps usable and like you said you can top up with solar, great set up ……cheers Tim 🍺🍺
G'day Alan,
Yeah mate, i think it will be a big enough battery with what i have running of it.
Thanks mate for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
Hi Tim, your set up looks fantastic well done nice and easy. Hey I've had 2 DCS lithium batteries under the bonnet one cranking the other accessories for 4 years now never had a problem so far..
G'day Dave,
Thats great you haven't had an issue with mounting them under the bonnet.
But, with so many reports say that Lithium dont like going in an engine bay.
With the cost, its not an experiment i'd like to take and find out the heat of the engine bay destroyed the battery.
Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures exactly Tim, totally understand it's definitely a expensive exercise if all goes wrong, the brand of lithium i have are made to go under the bonnet will let you no how long they last. Cheers Tim 👍
Mate that was an awesome vid. Plain English to a novice like me. Thanks man for sharing.
G'day Herb,
Thanks a lot mate. Im glad to hear you found the video helpful.
Really appreciate it mate.
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures All good mate. Keep the vids coming, I really enjoy them man.
Another great review Tim. Just as a point of interest on the cost keep in mind that a Lithium battery can be discharged a lot lower than a lead acid or AGM, eg Lithium 80% AGM 20 %. So when you do the maths of cost versus usable capacity the Lithium is not that expensive. Also you will get more cycles out of a Lithium vs lead acid or AGM. Thanks for the great info I am sure many will find it useful.
Gday mate
You are spot in with lithium batteries being more useable compared to a lead acid battery.
So many advantages with making the change to lithium.
Really appreciate your reply mate.
Thanks.
Cheers Tim
Nice work 👍
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
Hi Tim
I have the same vehicle with a small 75AH DCS lithium under the bonnet with heat shield no problems
I also place a 2nd 120AH where you put yours and a permanent solar panel on the roof running 2 fridges and a freezer
I have a 3rd lithium in a battery box that can be moved to a camp site
I’m now considering air fryers and induction cooking to get rid of gas bottles and stoves altogether
Great episode I can see you going down a similar path, we’ll see in future episodes
Gday Michael,
It’s amazing what accessories you can run with a well setup lithium battery arrangement.
Yours sounds great mate.
I’ll have to see if my accessories change in time going forward.
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
Hey Tim I have a lithium crank battery from ITech under my bonnet as a starter battery and two parallel 100ah lithium batteries in the canopy that runs two fridges, microwave, toaster, sandwich maker and jug. Works beautifully
Gday Jeff,
Ahh righto. I’ve always thought that lithium couldn’t go under the bonnet due to the heat.
Good that your setup is working well.
You have some serious accessories running from the canopy.
Top setup mate.
Cheers Tim
Lithium is the only way to go. I'm running a slimline 175amh Atlas battery which is Aussie made. I had my car parked for 5 days with 40 litre fridge running and 100w solar panel.
Still had 85%charge left.
Oh and how good are those Bushman console fridges. Love ours which is our dedicated freezer.
Thanks for sharing Tim
Gday Michael,
It sure is mate when I comes to running camping accessories.
Yeah I’m only running 120 watt panel and that keeps my battery topped up.
The small Bushman fits well in the spot I’ve put mine.
They draw very little power.
Thanks for your feedback mate.
Cheers Tim
damn, thats a slick setup on that battery Mr. Bates.
Thanks mate.
Nice and neat and out of the way.
Cheers Tim.
Good use of available space. I just hope you don't get bogged during a deep water crossing, Tim. 🤞
Thanks mate.
That i will try not to let happen.
Cheers Tim
Hi Tim, just bought a Kickass 120 lith with battery box. I had to put it on the back seat (duel cab chassis seat backs folded down with fridge on the other side). Probably not the best solution, however, I can take the battery box out and use it as a stand alone power station out of the vehicle.
There is only me camping so I really don't need the back seats anyway. I'm only running fridge and lights (as you said keep it simple) so the battery will probably last about 3 days. I have to strap the battery in, and so far no issues, time will tell. Cheers, BobbyB.
Gday Bobby
That’s really handy that you can take your battery out.
Handy if you want to take your fridge out and take it down the beach for example.
Great setup for your rig mate.
Thanks a lot for your reply.
Cheers Tim
Nice setup
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
Gidday Tim, I've had a lithium under bonnet for over 2 years, no probs at all, plenty of off road in vhc as well as 40,000 kms interstate thru Qld, NSW, Vic, SA, runs a fridge 24/7, its just an urban myth they can't be under bonnet. Love ya work, cheers
Gday mate,
So many reports say that Lithium don't like going in an engine bay.
With the cost, its not an experiment i'd like to take and find out the heat of the engine bay destroyed the battery.
Sounds like you have had a good run from where your battery is mounted.
Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures no worries Tim, I did a lot of research, ended up with 100 ah for $450 from Sydney company, free delivery to Vic, with 3 yr warranty. They supply industry and had good feedback. I also spoke to them and they were adamant I'd have no probs. I've now added 2 more to my camper trailer. Pretty hard to beat for price, real time support and warranty.
@@seabee167 Thats a great price mate with the warranty as well.
@@seabee167. What brand are you referring to mate?
Nice one. 👍 Welcome to the 21st Century. 😁
Thanks mate. It's been a long time coming.
Cheers Tim
KISS definitely lithium way to go, still to much $$$ for me atm, need to drop $$$ some more, looking good buddy
Gday Louis
The KISS theory is the go mate.
Far less hassles.
Cheers Tim
Hiya Tim, love the set up, I've also gone Lithium 170amp hour slimline and think its great. Have a redarc BCDC with Solar on roof and 1500w inverter. Recently removed the Engel (Now Bar Fridge) and installed a 85 litre upright,less weight and less amp draw. Keep up the good work.
Gday Malcolm
The slim line batteries are really handy for mounting into tight spaces.
Great setup that you have mate.
Top stuff.
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures Thanks Tim, I fitted a vertical plywood panel attached to the Kaon shelf and in turn fitted the battery to the rear of the second row seats. The panel was then used to mount the Bcdc charger, inverter and kick ass power box for the various outlets. Just recently added a fixed solar panel on roof and underneath this, the Kaon mounting brackets to store the table.
@@malcolmdraycott9273 Thats wicked mate for off grid camping.
Top set up.
Your going to love the change to lithium Tim. I've been using lithium for a couple of years now and it's far superior in every way to the old lead acid or agm batteries. That 100ah will be plenty of power and the solar panel will keep it topped up nicely. The lithium can be run down completely flat as well without damaging the battery whereas the old agm's would start to get damaged and the lifespan would shorten when you run them below 50%.
Only some lithium battery brands are suitable and warrantied to go under bonnet installation but they cost quite a lot more, you did the right thing putting it in the cab and it will be easier to add and connect more stuff later.
Gday Dave,
Yeah mate, mounting it under the bonnet was never going to be an option.
Not worth the risk.
From what I’m seeing now from the 100ah, that will be plenty big enough.
Thanks a lot for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim
Any battery get life shortened as you discharge it. That's how they work. Lithium is no exception. A lithium can get discharged deeper more often with less damage but there is no problem at all discharging an AGM to 20% regularly. few people camp often enough over the 5-6 year lifespan of an AGM under the bonnet for discharge cycles to matter. The heat/cold will do the battery in well before that.
Hey Tim, I had no idea we could lay the batteries on there side. Great space saver that.
G'day Mike,
Lithium batteries you can. They dont have liquid inside them like a lead acid battery that must be mounted upright.
Thanks mate for your reply.
Cheers Tim
I bought the 120ah itech battery which DOES go under your bonnet, itech will honor warranty as long as you put some heat shield around battery. After 6months so far its performed above my expectations and doesnt look like missing a beat even in 38deg heat. Guess time will tell in another 6months.
G'day mate,
So many reports say that Lithium dont like going in an engine bay.
With the cost, its not an experiment i'd like to take and find out the heat of the engine bay destroyed the battery.
Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
Very neat Tim, everything tucked out of the way to leave heaps of room on top of the false floor to fill up with your cooking, camping recovery and sleep gear! Glad you went with the 40amp DC charger, that should definitely cope with all your things requiring power. A lot of folks go with a lesser amount for their DC set ups and quickly find that they need a bigger one! On long trips, you can crank your freezer up then turn it back down when you stop for the night, all will still stay frozen and won't use us too much power to keep it topped up! Great video Mate! Hope you get many good years of use out of this setup.
Thanks very much.
Im very happy with this new set up. Nice and neat and out of the way.
Turning the fridges down at night to save on power is a great idea.
Thanks heaps for your reply.
Cheers Tim
I’m putting a 270 powerpaul lithium inside the rear quarter panel left hand side, then gullwing window to access everything
Thats a top idea.
Those gull wing windows are really handy for getting into gear from the back of you vehicle.
Thanks for that.
Cheers Tim
Looks like a good setup Tim, can't go past lithium. Got five of the buggers now. And a 135 AH in the back of the Paj. Only a Mobi cheapie but worked well for the last year.
G'day Dave,
Far out mate, you have five running. Thats full on.
I will see how the 100 ah goes for a while and see if it keeps up.
Thanks mate for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures nah only the 135 amp as auxhullary in the Paj. Others in Camper Trailer/Trailer ..work cars for fridges.
Nice setup.
Simple light and will do everything you need.
Looks like they're flogging Lithium for under bonnet start batteries as well and those I've seen who use them haven't reported any issues but given the cost you would want to be sure imo.
It would also save a nice bit of weight out of the engine bay as well.
Absolutely mate.
So many reports say that Lithium dont like going in an engine bay.
As you mentioned, with the cost, its not an experiment i'd like to take and find out the heat of the engine bay destroyed the battery.
Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures No worries mate and I'm looking forward to seeing how your fridge/freezer setup handles longer trips.
Thanks for the update.
@@oldbloke204 Thanks a lot mate.
Hi, yes I'm one of those guys whom have opted for lithium crank/winch battery. It's only been in place for 11months, but has not missed a beat thus far, and at the price I'd hope it won't miss a beat for a long time.
Interestingly, I'm a Patrol ZD30 also and as Tim would know, these things store a mass of under bonnet heat, but the starter battery being on engine intake side is much cooler than exhaust side against turbo heat bank, 😂 no way I'd ever fit any battery type in that location Tim and many others have them.
The lithium starter battery truly spins the ZD30 over real quick, and totally eliminated cold start diesel mist issues in cold winter months.
True story, took the Troll in for a tune, they thought my donk was down on compression as it cranks so fast.
Tuned up brilliantly, stacks of torque now, EGTs so much lower also.
I also run lithium auxiliary batteries, 3 X 54 amp, = 162 amp available.
Reason, size. They fit brilliantly over the driver's side rear wheel arch in my Trolls rear storage system.
I'll keep the under bonnet lithium starter battery, it's a bloody good thing, and rear mounted lithium auxiliary batteries, no way AGM, calcium or lead acid will feature again in my Troll, 100% Lithium.
❤u mr time bates awesome set up it’s the same as mine ..🇦🇺👍❤️🍺🥃🕺💃⚙️
Top stuff mate.
It's a very simple setup that will work a treat as you know. Lol
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
Just went lithium , am looking forward to the benifits 👍
Top stuff mate.
You'll have so much more usable power than a lead acid battery.
Cheers Tim
Terrifc vid thanks Tim.
G'day Mike,
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
Dcs under bonnet lithiums Tim. Ec off road do them in almost every build
G'day mate,
Thats all fine if they are mounting them under the bonnet.
But as I've mentioned, it's not a risk i was prepared to take.
Thanks mate for your reply.
Cheers Tim
Hi Tim, that’s not a bad setup mate. I’m still working on my set up for the patrol wagon that I’ve got but when she’s finished she’ll end up being good. How are you going after your little accident mate Hope you’re going well mate 👍🏻🥧
G'day Ross,
Thanks mate, simple set up is the go.
Hope you get your setup finished soon.
Coming good mate, back driving again, which is a nice change. Lol
Cheers Tim
I used to be really skeptical of lithium, but after getting one i wouldn't change back. Its great never needing to check the battery wondering if im draining it or running low on power
Gday mate
Same here , I’d never go back to a lead acid battery.
Lithium is the go.
Thanks mate for your feedback
Cheers Tim
Hey Tim...interesting vid as usual and many thanks for coming back to TH-cam. In the interests of simplicity, I've gone for the BLUETTI option...EB-70 powers up to 1000 watts (1400 watt surge), inbuilt battery management system, LiFePo4 battery, three recharge options, four power output options, under $900 and portable too...fills the gap that I had! Your thoughts?
G'day Ross,
Your setup sounds full on.
Im not sure what your items are that you have.
Great price though for that setup.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures Not running too much off it at the moment - a bloody great big refrigerator, toaster, etc and a bit of led camp lighting. I found it more appealing for the simplicity of set up (yeah, ok - price too). It keeps the fridge going for days and because it's a farm ute too it has to run other stuff - grinder, work lighting, etc. During power outages, it doubles as a "silent" genset around the house overnight when we don't want the 9kva generator running...burning fuel and keeping the family awake.
@@rossholmes178 Thats a great dual purpose setup that you have for camping and more so for work in case you have power outages.
I've gone similar route as Ross but I got the itechworld ITECH500. With me, I was looking for portability than a hard mount setup. This way I'm not bound to my vehicle and can be used in different camping styles.
@@Triple-N being mobile with your battery powered accessories is a great idea mate.
Cheers Tim
Nice setup. quick Question , what make and model DCDC converter are you using.
Thanks mate.
Redarc
Cheers Tim
Another benefit is that lithium batteries can be drained down to a very low state, compared to flooded led batteries. Essentially you've doubled your usable energy storage and expected useful life while halving the weight. Another benefit with lithium is if you park the Patrol and turn off everything, the battery will hold charge for over 12 months (same with your battery power tools) Lithium prefers being left alone sitting around 20-80%.
Gday mate,
Wicked feedback mate.
Lithium is the way to go for sure.
Thanks heaps mate.
Cheers Tim
Onya Tim I like your keep it simple set up. So many of these other you tubers are out of control with their million dollar wank machines
G'day mate,
Yeah, i do like my very simple setup, it works a treat.
Far to many people get so carries away with decking out there 4wd's.
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim.
Odd that you only got 2 days but then again you’ve got a few more accessories..
Haven’t had my setup long
120ah lithium
Ran my 75l fridge/freezer as half fridge half freezer for half the time, full fridge the rest. Charged 20+ phones/powerbanks
5 days and it was down to 37% when getting home.
Gday Brandon,
That’s with both fridges running.
My ol Engel probably uses more power than newer model might do.
Time of year will change how quickly the power drops.
Plus my Patrol sat inside a tin garage for those two days.
Great your setup is going well.
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
Hey Tim, just out of interest, with all that electrical gear on the floor near the door trim, have you thought about how water tight your doors are? In the event you come across a decent river crossing.
Love the setup mate.
Gday mate,
It’s certainly something to think about.
I’ve never had water inside the door seals in the past.
But, when I’m very limited with space I could mount the new setup, that’s where I’m happy with its placement.
Thanks mate
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures G'day, yeah agree, but there could always be a first. I have the mighty Patrol never drowned it untill I managed too doing the Cape. Small puddle made the mistake not walking it and that was it. spent the next day cleaning out the interior and drying. Lesson learned thats for sure.
@@phillroo7871 yeah, big lesson mate.
Walk them first if you can.
Glad you got out ok.
Cheers Tim.
Hey Tim great video, what battery monitor hardware/app are you using? Thanks mate
The battery and app is Neuton Power.
Cheers Tim
Does anyone know the legalities surrounding diy dual battery installation regading insurance? Great setup Tim.
Gday mate
Mines not a diy installation.
Mines all done by a auto electrician.
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
That is very well thought out Tim.
I understand why you don't want to put lithiums under the bonnet, the question is, what can you now move under the bonnet to help distribute some weight forward over the front axle?
I'm interested because I am concerned with my rig, with the camper hooked up, that the rear wheel weight limit is going to be exceeded when I put the food/drinks/gear etc. in.
Tools and spares! It just occurred to me. The jack, the spares, the tools all weigh quite a bit and there is that convenient battery size space under the bonnet. Thanks for helping these old cogs turn a bit Tim.
Gday mate,
I’m
Not concerned about removing 30kgs from the old battery from the front end.
I look at it as a positive thing for less weight over the front diff.
I’ve still got plenty of weight over the front with the motor and other bits under the bonnet.
I could put a small tool box in that empty battery space.
I’ll see what I do with it later on.
Thanks mate for your replies.
Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures Yeah, but you gave me a great idea - a tool box that will fit in the battery spot that will take my tools and remove that weight from the rear which is right at the back and normally overhanging, so for me, its and excellent move, so thank you Tim.
@@BenMitro I have to say mate, it’s not a bad idea at all making a tool box of that battery box space.
I might look at that myself.
Thanks mate.
Good video Tim.
Are you at all concerned that with having your 12 volts components so much lower in the Patrol,you run the risk of water ingress in deep river crossings?
G'day Allan,
Im maybe going to have to look into the position of that plug.
Might need to move it.
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
I have a 120ah Itechworld lithium mounted under the bonnet of my 200. It is covered by warranty for under bonnet mounting, but time will tell
G'day mate,
So many reports say that Lithium dont like going in an engine bay.
With the cost, its not an experiment i'd like to take and find out the heat of the engine bay destroyed the battery.
Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures Hey Timbo, Thanks for the reply. Regardless of whether mine lasts the warranty period, I do know it's not ideal. And to add to that, I then had to run cables you would normally use for a winch down to behind the seats to run my inverter.
@@stolzhammer3239 Thats the go mate.
You cant go too far wrong with running larger cabling than whats maybe needed.
Nice and simple set up. Are you not worried about damaging the rear Anderson plug for the solar, having it near the bumper like that? (I couldn’t see that well how protected it was!)
Looks to me like it's well above the lowest part of the vehicle and covered by a part of the towbar structure.
G'day mate,
I think it should be ok where that plug is mounted. It would take a serious angle to get hit. But time will tell.
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
You will love the lithium. The DOD makes all of the difference.
Loving it already mate compared to my old lead acid setup.
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
Careful on deep crossings with all that gear mounted low?
Yeah i might need to find another spot for that plug.
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
I think a river crossing is going to be tricky.
I’m not concerned about that at all mate.
Cheers Tim
When you go to a lithium setup you see how AGM is pretty useless in comparison. Nice to see your setup. A side question, how many ks has the big girl done now. I remember you had the head done at 300k.
Gday Zoe,
Good hearing from you.
So many advantages changing to Lithium. Weight is a big one and more usable power.
The Patrol now has 392000ks and still going well.
Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures Thanks Tim, 392k is a great result it has been a great car for you. Later this year we will be over from Perth travelling around and will look for where you might be. Our favorite stop is Mansfield it is the flavor of the high country and has that epic bakery. Thanks again.
@@zoezoe610 It sure has been a great car for the paces it has taken me. I do look after it pretty well.
Ahh righto, Mansfield area is a really nice part of the High Country and yes, the bakery in town is well worth a stop over for a pie or two Lol.
Might catch you when you get over if timing works out.
displaying voltage of the lithium isn't really appropriate. you could use it as an indication of state of charge on an AGM because the voltage put of an AGM dropped as its current capacity dropped. but with a lithium, they provide the same voltage all the way to the point they shut off.
Do you have the inverter just for the laptop? Did you try getting a 12V laptop charger?
Personally, I don't have an inverter in my car and I don't want one. I think people need 240V for running things I reckon don't belong to the bush (hair dryer, coffee maker, microwave, etc. but that is my PoV).
Gday mate.
The inverter is for charging the laptop.
But also I have 5 cameras that need charging, so the inverter is handy for that.
I hadn’t thought about a 12v laptop charger. Haven’t heard about them.
I appreciate your feedback mate.
Cheers Tim
They do exist. I have one for my Microsoft Surface They might be a bit more expensive but most brands make them.
@@oscarzarategmailcom yeah righto. I didn’t know about them.
If I wasn’t carrying camera gear, I pretty much wouldn’t need an inverter.
It’s only an 800 wt.
some people have 2000wt and above. Crazy big.
You can get larger capacity batteries in a footprint not much bigger than than 100 amp ones.... checkout powerpaul batteries
G'day Wayne,
Ahh righto.
I'll check it out if i ever need another one.
Cheers Tim
Aren’t you worried about water ingress when doing river crossings. Just power so low down…?
Has been mentioned above.
I will keep an eye on that.
Cheers Tim
I upgraded to a lithium battery but me knowing nothing about lithium i put it under the bonnet and stuffed it 😂 now i gotta put it in the back
Thats a bugger mate.
They aren't cheap to replace.
Good its now going well for you in the back.
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures for the time
Being going to put a agm back in
Are you not worried about water crossings? I was planning on copying your idea of keeping the power up high on my cargo barrier.
G'day mate,
Good point, i will see in time i guess with river crossings.
Its a very easy plug to move if need be.
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures Ah yeah nice one. Yeah found your channel when I was in the market for my own Patrol. I like your idea of removing the back seats and will try and do the same but want to set it up that I can re configure if needed and put the back seats in if there are more passengers. So doing it that way I would have all my electronics on the cargo barrier. Haven't watched all of your videos but the ones I have I had enjoyed! Check out another Vic local in BushTV youtuber, I think you guys could make a good collab video.
@@stevemann16 Taking the back seats out makes a massive difference with weight reduction and extra room.
But, if you are thinking of taking them in and out you might to think again on that idea if you want to stay legal.
Not sure what State of Aust you are in.
I have a video on my channel with whats required to take seats out.
My Patrol is now a registered two seater. Signed off and inspected by Vic Roads.
Check that video out mate before you take them out.
@@timbates4wdadventures Ah damm, did not know this. I am from VIC will see if I can find your video.
@@stevemann16 Yeah mate, it's totally up to you.
End of the day you can do what you want.
But it opens up a legal can of worms.
If you search removing seats from a car or 4wd. It will come up.
Bugger me that's not a bad setup young felah,l am after a 240 setup like yours where abouts do you park your rig at night.
Haha
Cheers Tim
I was the kid who was riding a motorcycle up the bush you told me to come but in 30 minutes
Gday mate.
Thanks for holding off until I got filming finished.
Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures hope to meet you again someday
@@blakematthews4227 fair chance mate.
@@blakematthews4227 Gday mate, are you local to Trafalgar?
Maybe arrange a drop in catch up some day.
Just get a DCS lithium and put it under your bonnet. Unfortunately Tim is wrong about where a lithium can be installed in this video
As I mentioned in my pinned reply at the top
Not a risk I was taking.
Each to their own.
Cheers Tim
What brand of battery did you buy?
Its a Neuton Power mate.
Cheers Tim
Manufacturer states you can connect on parallel should a single 100amp be not enough?
Been 4 years since seriously looked at Li and factory internal fitted BMS and no one had technology to parallel Li back then unless was pure battery cell pack with external BMS setup.
Parallelling Li with BMS that was not designed to do so is how over 4yrs ago caravans and standalone system smoldered and melted everything involved and around them.
A lot has developed since then.
Planning another vehicle in 2024 so you setup is of interest.
Do you have a fixed PV panel on the Patrol or only use the folding setup?
@@mattwalker6305 I only have the folding solar panel at the moment.
Might look at changing to a fold up solar blanket down the track.
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures
Keep the set up KISS
@@mattwalker6305 Only way to go mate.
Cheers Tim
Itech world sell a lithium starter battery. I use one saves another 20 kg
Yeah righto.
Not a bad idea.
Cheers Tim
Lithium goes under bonnet now.
Some manufacturers warrant them for under bonnet use.
Ahh righto mate.
Just not a risk i wanted to take.
Cheers Tim
When fitted underbonnet does the battery charger de rate the amps input into the Li battery?
@@mattwalker6305 No the redarc BCDC prob won't but the lithium batteries have their own BMS which will probably control the based on temperature and shutdown if it were to get too hot.
@TDubya811
So you still getting the max amps of your dcdc charger into the Li deep cycle battery or does the reduce the amps of the input charge?
If amps charge into Li battery is reduced then the major advantage of Li and the charge rate they generally accept to 95% SOC is being lost imho.
I go five days with out running engine and when the dcdc is running I expect the battery to be getting full 30amp charge as much as possible as have about 150amp discharge out of my 200amp Li.
Will check out the brand of battery you list as 4 years since installed my Li and plenty has changed since then.
@@mattwalker6305 I am looking at switching out to lithium from the AGM that was in the car when I bought it.
I expect lithium battery to be able to accepty full charge redarc BCDC1225D which I have fitted or even the 40amp version.
Will probably go with Itechworld 120prox where you can use the full 120 amp.hrs. They say optimum temperature up to 60C and bms works up to 80C.
Have a look at other you tubers who have fitted and tested these for over a year. XploringOZ for example.
Go the Patrol! did you find any difference of weight off the spring when driving corner now ? 🛻📹🤙😎
Gday mate
Absolutely, I have removed close on 300kgs from my Patrol.
It’s made a massive difference to how it drives and handles.
I have a video on the weight reduction and what I took out.
Huge change.
Thanks mate for your feedback
Cheers Tim
Nice video Tim I have installed a 75ah lithium and been running that for the last 2 years. Best decision I’ve made in regards to 12v. So awesome and at only 8kg can’t go wrong. I do find it interesting why people buy 150+ah lithium just to run some fridge and lights. With 100% DOD I’ve got more capacity than I had in my 130ah AGM
Gday mate,
Yeah, lithium has so much more usable battery charge than the lead acid style batteries.
I’m thinking now that my 100ah will be plenty.
Great feedback mate.
Cheers Tim