I chose a life of shame, guilt, nicotine, marijuana, food, alcohol, sex in order to numb the uncomfortable, but a year of slowly rewiring, releasing and healing with professional therapy and me sticking through the stickiness has allowed to me to finally feel the light, happiness, and joy within myself and all parts of life!
Wow, the part about lack of attunement, attachment, and unconditional love ...and how growing up unsafe all the time makes us a magnet for more toxic unloving people to come into our lives as adults... I spent most of my life trying to out run this and make sure that my past didn’t cause this to happen. In spite of all that, I got married later in life only to find out within a few short weeks that I was with someone that was just like my parents and the unsafe environment that they created: emotionally, mentally, etc. I chose the same junk all over again. I let nice guys go but I chose this one. Good to have confirmation as to why, which surprisingly gives me a sense of peace because now I understand it better. It’s time to heal. Thank you so much for your life-saving work! 🌼
"nice guys" may also not what you want, just like "ass holes". Those are broken little boys under the hood. There's a type of man maybe best described by "powerful, sensitive warrior" or something like that with a balanced, healthy nervous system. It's not common though.
I really relate to trying to get on top of other health areas but not managing to make progress beyond a certain point because of adrenal fatigue & chronic stress. That describes me. I can try and eat well & exercise but often I just end up burnt out and give up. And then go back to unhealthy ways of coping.
My symptoms and I'm 31 years of age: Brain fog, anxiety, panic attacks, sleep problems, chronic fatigue, floaters in eyes, pixelated vision, vertigo. All after I stopped drinking caffiene. Had a bad day today but I'm still staying positive.
@zedbeeskitchen623 I don't think it's adrenal fatigue. I think my gut is so unhealthy from drinking alcohol and eating crap when I was younger contributed to the health problem. Biggest thing as well would be stress and caffiene. But now I'm on the way to healing my gut and feeling much better. Always here if you need to chat. Can be hard for others to understand what we are going through.
@@charlesgray107 Caffeine irritates my system so much! But I like the taste of coffee so much on the other hand. One Espresso per day is ok though. And green tea feels even better but I don't particularly love the taste.
I have cptsd and my fight flight is running 24/7. So stressed and read Waking the Tiger by Dr Peter Levine, I “get it” and wish I had helpvwith Somatic experiencing but I cannot afford it. Best wishes to all of my compatriots who’ve suffered.
The part about neurorelaxation and recognizing how much rest I need feeling like death...so relatable. I asked my therapist awhile back if it is "normal" to feel SO much as you start to become aware
I am sooo glad I discovered your channel last night! Just had my first appt. with a naturopath this past Friday, and today I had blood drawn for some in depth testing. She confirmed for me that adrenal fatigue is a likely part of what is going on with me. She has already prescribed a number of supplements, dietary changes, etc. and I suspect there will be more after we get the results of the labwork. So hearing you talk about how "doing all the things" usually isn't enough, and explaining why could not come at a better time. I feel like it will give me an advantage to know this at the beginning of working with a naturopath, instead of possibly hitting a wall later on because I didn't have this information! I can't afford your class right now, but I hope I can learn some of the techniques to be able to get out of shutdown and fight/flight/freeze, be more in my body, etc. I've been stuck in fatigue and severe overwhelm for about 7 years now, and things seem to finally be coming together for me to take some serious steps toward healing.
Wow, watching this a month and a half after moving out of my dysfunctional family home for the first time in 27 years, for a 4 month house sitting stint, and in conjunction with a couple of other things, like finishing a degree a month before, my nervous system and mind had an extremely intense time. Leading up, I'd been in a place where I felt like I'd been doing a lot of mental and emotional, cognitive work, but feeling like there was more to it, physically, holistically, and on a soul/spiritual level. So I'd been seeking out answers in that way, but I hadn't educated myself much on the nervous system. And it was exactly like Irene describes here, that my dysregulation that had been dysregulating all my life and was a pretty darn big onion if I say so myself...it came to the forefront, or it was like I literally awoke to the reality of it. Big time. Honestly, it was retraumatising, as I really had no idea what was going on, I just knew I was having major depressive symptoms. I had a few intense days where it literally felt like I was losing my mind - and that I was in my deepest fear, and on the verge of 'insanity', to which I felt my brain literally respond with a wall being put down, severe dissociation. I literally awoke to the fact that I've been dissociated my whole life, and heavily so since my teens with further layers being added to the onion, and it felt like with this knowledge, my house was burned down and I had to build a new one - I said this to my psychologist, then heard Irene describe this later in one of her videos. But it's amazing that with my first actual separation from my family, and isolation, after enmeshment and emotional abuse for years and years, it was like my body after so long in that particular built up survival mode, rose to the surface, safe to be seen, or more like arising out of fear for functioning in an unfamiliar way, like my body only knew how to function and survive in and around this dysfunction. Knowing that it was dysfunctional broke through the glass ceiling, and the truth put me in overwhelm and shock. I am glad that I am still here, as it's been quite journey since then, realising some of my childhood wounds and trauma, and that I have cptsd, fearful/avoidant attachment and quite possibly a personality disorder. But all I've been doing day in and day out is educating myself with psychology videos, and I'm so grateful for the work of people like Irene and their sharing of it. Sending love to all of you on your healing journeys
At 26:00 - that hasn’t happened for me yet - I had an accident 2 years ago that changed everything in my life - today Im finding it so hard to get my life back because I just don’t feel strong like I used to be - I’m sure this is why - I’m really trying to heal all this (I’m 55) this won’t control my life forever. Love from Seattle~ Viki
Thank you for the information. It’s hard to even listen to these as it’s a recognition of everything that’s happened. But still helpful. Thank you for what you do to help others❤
20:10 there is no rest 21:10 when we are going going going... 21:33 functional freeze th-cam.com/video/DmJtHB__ji0/w-d-xo.html How to come out of a chronic freeze response after repeated stress & trauma || IRENE LYON || Q&A th-cam.com/video/9EyqPOI3auk/w-d-xo.html
This is one of your best videos- so comprehensive and clear. I am so grateful to you and love that your team includes the topic lists by time and links to your and others’ resources. This is better than my grad education!! Know that I am part of your ripple effect. Thank you for helping me help others! I plan to take your SBSM and other offerings soon to further inform my future clinical practice.
Thanks for the feedback Landscapes for Learning! Jen here from Team Lyon. So great to hear that this is helping you to help others. Look forward to seeing you in SBSM!
this is good, i feel like im doing a lot of the right things. although i do the avoiding sometimes also i struggle with forming healthy relationships to replace the relationships lost when i had to cut my family out.
Second video of yours I'm watching and this was really helpful! I have been wondering why i don't breathe. J hold my breath. My health deteriorated after a corporate job for 1 year and 2 months. I'm in the 7 th year of recovery.God bless you. April 5,2022.
I feel high alert for years, my body feels like it's 'on' every day. Heartpalpitatons, my skin burns, buzzing in my head, ringing ears.... the doc says I have a panic disorder. I take antidepressants and xanax (low est dose 1 or 2 a day) I'm very emotional and feel like I'm stuck. Im listening....I just don't know what to do. I really try to make something out of everyday.....the symptoms are just bugging me every moment. 🥺
Hi Nicky, Seth here from Team Lyon. Sorry to hear about your intense symptoms! 'Panic Disorder' is really just a symptom of unresolved trauma and nervous system dysregulation, as are all your symptoms. It sounds like you would really benefit from doing this work! Here are a few ways that you can get started... Free resources - irenelyon.com/free-resources-2/ Paid Programs - irenelyon.com/programs/ Find a Practitioner - th-cam.com/video/04XF7ANnqGk/w-d-xo.html
You are not alone. I have the same exact symptoms. I also cannot sleep...maybe a couple of hours at best. What a relief though to finally understand what the heck is going on. Thankfully these folks are doing this work and that we have found them.
Hi Irene! thanks so much for all your recourses, it helps me a lot to understand myself. I have a question about the listening to our physiology. I have ibs and I find that the more I get aware of my digestion, the more anxiety and symptoms I get. the best thing often is to say to my stomach: I trust you to digest and take care of this, and I don't need to check in, change or control you. and I can immerse myself in something else. this seems to give me more calmness and sometimes I suddenly notice the bloatedness and pain has reduced. i see there must be a good way to be aware of bodily expressions and maybe one way that contributes more to anxiety and control?
Hi Johanne, Jen here from Team Lyon. To clarity this idea of listening to the physiology a little, when we bring attention to different parts of ourselves in this work, we are not doing to so with the intention to change or control, and the idea of checking in may be a bit strong too. Rather we are offering presence, simply bring attention to an area with a sense of curiosity and care. It sounds like what you're doing is similar to this, and that it's working for you and your system which is great. Sometimes there is often to much going on in an area for us to pay a lot of direct attention here. In this case, we pay attention where it IS supportive and take steps to grow capacity and in time, it will typically be supportive to bring direct attention to this area. In keeping with what I mentioned at the start, do not push or force this in any way. Another key concept/idea to keep in mind is that we can also do what's called titrating and pendulating, paying just small bits of attention to one area, and then focusing on another area. I'll link to a few of Irene's related resources in case you want to learn more. Titration Explained: Never Rush Trauma Healing - irenelyon.com/2020/04/26/titration-explained-never-rush-trauma-healing/ Pendulation: How to Shift Focus to Calm Overwhelm - th-cam.com/video/4Wbo1LPx-e8/w-d-xo.html
I've had decades of physical and emotional stress. This resulted 4 years ago in my body basicly giving out on me. I lost the use of my legs, all my inards, gut, heart, brain all lost contact, anxiety attacks and I have been through more hell. I was getting treatment but that all stopped during covid as I refused to insult my body further with experimental drugs being injected into it. I seem to be stuck there, feeling good for a few days then bang, down again. It's horrible
Hello, Sophia from Team Lyon here. Thank you for sharing your story, we appreciate it. As we cannot consult in this comment section, I encourage you to check out Irene's free resources, which may offer answers and insight about various issues, including what you mentioned irenelyon.com/free-resources-2/
Hi Ashley Andrews, Jen here from Team Lyon. Yes, for sure it is normal to have rage and anger when coming out of freeze. There is typically a LOT of sympathetic activation (aka life-force) underlying freeze so when we start to thaw, we can also start to experience this activation. I'll link to a few of Irene's anger resources in case they are of interest. Irene also teaches this in more depth in her online program, SmartBody SmartMind. irenelyon.com/2017/05/15/anger-essential-heres/ th-cam.com/video/4wdeBJ39Cuw/w-d-xo.html
Constant stress caused histamine intolerance for me. Which makes everything even worse.... I had a really messed up childhood and was neglected from the very beginning. I feel overwhelmed, since food and supplements cause histamine symptoms. 😔 I feel paralyzed in what to do.
Hi Becky, Jen here from Team Lyon. I hear you, many of us come to this work can feel overwhelmed. Know that small steps make a difference in time. I'll link to one of Irene's resources that may be of interest to you. irenelyon.com/4-steps-to-calm-overwhelm/
I haven’t listened to the whole thing, but my immediate question: I had some labs that suggested adrenal INSUFFICIENCY (further testing showed it wasn’t...but we still never figured out why my labs were bad). When I looked up “adrenal ‘fatigue’” I found many scholarly articles saying that wasn’t a thing, that it’s something made up, essentially. So I guess my question is, the adrenal insufficiency was thought to be going on because I had a pituitary adenoma in the past. So would we still blame stress for that? Would any of this help if it was actually a disease process going on? Thanks so much for all you do! My degree was in neuropsych so I already kinda loved this stuff, but now that I have anxiety/OCD it’s taken on much more significance!
Hi Sonja L., Jen here from Team Lyon. I'd hesitate to say for sure that adrenals can store trauma as we don't yet know all the physiological mechanisms involved in how the body holds survival responses, and for sure they can and are impacted by trauma.
Hi with the Autonomic nervous system and the issue of wiring from when yiu are young. You hit the ' nail on the head' as that is me. So how can i change this? Kinesiologist? I have adrenal fatigue stage 3? How do uou know know what stage of AF you are in? I enjoy your talks immensely. I am in rural Australia. Thank you 😊
@mardiwalker, Jen here from Irene's Team. You asked how to heal from AFS and how to support change when we learned to live from a place of survival at a young age. Learning to work with the nervous system - which is what Irene teaches people to do - is the most effective way we've found to shift these patterns and create new ones. We do work with AFS, and as we're not medical professionals we don't go into detail about the different stages. It sounds like you might be new around here, so I'll share a link to Irene's New Here? page. I'll also link to a video about AFS in case you want to check it out. New Here? - irenelyon.com/new-here/ How to heal adrenal fatigue by working with the stress organs? - irenelyon.com/2019/11/03/how-to-heal-adrenal-fatigue-by-working-with-stress-organs/
@@mardiwalkerHi there, Susan here from Team Lyon. You can use this currency calculator - www.calculator.net/currency-calculator.html - to find out the current rates for you. We don't charge international fees, we charge in US, BUT if you are from another country, you may incur exchange rates or international fees from your credit card company.
Your hair is so gorgeous! Sorry I’m listening, I just had to say that. Maybe if I can regulate my nervous system, my hair will grow back... it’s sad looking. 🙂
Hi hanamink, there are no guarantees and growing nervous system over time does often improve the body's ability to heal and regenerate, including bringing hormones more into balance so who knows! it's definitely happened with people before. - Jen from Team Lyon.
Review is great! Always in a new context with new content, and repetition reawakens what is familiar but invaluable, and avoids overlooking it for the new. Besides, stress makes it hard to recall even what's familiar, when needed most. And, “acquiesce” was a perfect term, and it’s different from just casually raising the white flag.
look into "the bean protocol" Karen Hurd. I am doing that, it has helped me so much. It is basically a balanced diet(no sugar) with lots of beans and all stimulants are forbidden. No coffee, tea, alcohol, nicotine, sugar, perfumes etc. And lots of rest.
I have never lived comfortably in my own body. Been in freeze mode since childhood, now in my 60's. A caregiver, and burning out. Cptsd since childhood. PURE MISERY!!!!
Hello @lorettazwarts4847 Sophia here from TeamLyon. Thank you for your comment and question and sorry to hear you're navigating a challenging situation. Many folks find this nervous system work at its heart is about becoming who YOU truly are and finally learning what it means to go from living in a state of survival, stress and anxiety to a place of hope, possibility and solid well-being. A good place to start would be Irene's free resources and mini training "Healing Trauma", all of which are housed under this link: irenelyon.com/free-resources/ Additionally, here are some videos about the "freeze" response you may find interesting: th-cam.com/video/JCF2ZkE8bs4/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/-qPCzzn-uQA/w-d-xo.html Feel free to reach out to our support inbox if you have any questions
I only came to understand this was my problem after developing a constant noise from my head and finding somebody who explained it. Is that a common symptom or just peculiar to me?
I’m 42 and have the most chronic symptoms of stress for around 2 years now. I also had a miss carriage about 3 years ago and haven’t been able to fall pregnant since. The anxiety low mood, ringing in ears, eye floaters, head pressure and fog terrible digestion and now terrible health anxiety which is really getting me down. The thing is we don’t know if it’s gut related (although doing all the good things for this) hormones, or to do with infertility. If this is perimenopause symptoms will this work help with my hormones? I really don’t want to go down the road of hrt or even bio hormones. Is it normal for people to suffer in this stage of life?
Hi Terri Mur, Jen here from Team Lyon. The symptoms you describe do sound like trauma may be playing a role (speaking generally as I haven't met you). Often the hormone fluctuations, gut issues, and the other symptoms are interrelated. Nervous system regulation does often help with hormone levels (as well as with digestion, sleep, anxiety, and more), and it varies depending on the person, their history, and their unique nervous system.
Question: in the recovery process would you say it's important to avoid caffeine 100% or would you say it just needs to be kept to an absolute minimum?
Frank Beegle, Jen here from Team Lyon. It really depends on the person, and what they are dealing with. If you have more sever adrenal fatigue, my understanding is that it can be important to avoid caffein for a time while you heal. When this is the case, the system is depleted so giving it caffein is kind of like trying to drive a car on gas fumes.
Hi Stock Master, Jen here from Team Lyon. Irene focuses on teaching people how to heal through growing what we call nervous system regulation. She does sometimes interview people about how different ways of eating have supported their healing, and giving specific guidance related to nutrition is outside of the scope of what we do here. I'll link to another video Irene created about how this work relates to healing adrenal fatigue in case you want to check it out. How to heal adrenal fatigue by working with the stress organs - irenelyon.com/2019/11/03/how-to-heal-adrenal-fatigue-by-working-with-stress-organs/
Hi Susan, Seth here from Team Lyon. Yup, I would say certainly so. Pretty much all doctors worth their salt agree at this point that chronic stress and unfelt / unexpressed emotion is a leading cause of cancer, and the adrenal glands are directly involved with the stress response.
Many conditions to deal with. Consistently ful of TENSION. STRAINED. CO- DEPENDENT.. 😢😢😢😢 HOW ?? WHERE IS THE COMPASSIONATE GIVERS SUPPORTERS HEROS needed. 😊
Do you have a video where you speak of young children? 10 to 11? Basically, kids that have adhd or occasional raging . How do you help them to heal adrenals when they have constant stress and trama?
Hello, Sophia from Team Lyon here. Irene has an entire playlist dedicated to children. Here is it: th-cam.com/play/PL_tIcR-r0CU7ILnciQbAUULSBimkIMDHn.html
Hi Jules, Jen here from Team Lyon. You can ask questions here. Seth and I are both nervous system specialists who answer questions people ask here in comments. You can also write an email to support@irenelyon.com to let them know you'd like Irene to do a blog or vlog on this. From a nervous system perspective, panic disorder and agoraphobia are symptoms of nervous system dysregulation. Symptoms often lessen and dissipate over time as people learn to heal trauma and bring more nervous system regulation and capacity on board. If you haven't yet watched Irene's free Healing Trauma training, I'd recommend checking that out too for more info. irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
@@teamlyon3109 thank you so much for this! I’ve been through so much in my life which I won’t put on here. I’ve got stage 3/4 Adrenal Fatigue but still dealing with panic disorder etc. I’ve watched every video Irene has done on trauma healing but I don’t know where to start? Would be amazing if Irene could do a video on healing Agoraphobia etc ❤️
@@Juleswev you're so welcome. Jen here again. If you're ready to start, I'd suggest starting with Irene's 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up. If you do, know that you can go very slowly and do a small part of a practice and it will make a difference. When we have late state AF, it's a sign that our system has been working hard and is depleted, so it's important to go slowly. If it's an option to work with a professional trained in Kathy Kain's Somatic Practice work, that can be very helpful alongside participating in Irene's programs. And I will reiterate your suggestion to Irene! 21daytuneup.com
HI C Katt, Jen here from Team Lyon. That sounds challenging, very glad you found Irene's channel and teachings. While can't say for sure whether this work would help without knowing more about your nervous system and history, fainting can in many cases be a result of nervous system dysregulation. Many people with histories of fainting for a variety of purposes have seen improvement from doing this work. I'll look into whether people with PNES specifically have improved from participating in SmartBody SmartMind.
@@ckatt352, the 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up is a great way to build foundation and it's helped many people. Most of us, and especially those of us with chronic conditions, may also need the deeper work that SmartBody SmartMind (SBSM) and/or 1-1 work with a nervous system trained practitioner can provide to realize the degree of healing we seek. Either way, the "Tune Up" will likely help, whether as preparation for SBSM, to prepare for and speed up the work with a 1-1 practitioner, or both.
@@ckatt352, some of the material will probably be familiar and some will be new. What's different is that the mix of education and practices is presented in a sequential way that you can follow at your own pace. There's also a facebook group where you can ask nervous system trained professionals questions about your experience as you go through the course.
Hello, Sophia with Team Lyon here. While we cannot consult or diagnose, as everyone is unique, each symptom or syndrome is often caused by more than one thing. If you wish to learn more about how your nervous system operates, I highly recoment checking out Irene's free resources: irenelyon.com/free-resources/
yall dismiss the top down approach to much... its almost like a black and white extremism you have. I didnt learn about the body until 2 years in my healing cptsd journey. I learnt many concepts and had a long healing journey before that with growth and trasnformation. I learnt that buy setting boudnaries and finding safe people to share that encouraged me to continue in my healing journey, self-respect, valuing myself speaking up and ofcourse the grieving work and reprocessing of beliefs and all of that that goes along with it. For sure the somatic approach can be helpful you just if you would please stop dismissing other approaches, and talking in as much black and white , i.e. the kathy kain quote. You dismiss people like Pete Walker, John Bradhsaw, i dont know, Brene Brown, Bessel Van derl Kolk, Gabor Mate, many actually trauma informed people when you say stuff like only your unique approach is the right one. All of these authors i mentioned above are trauma informed and even van der kolk suggests boundaries looking at relationship dynamics emdr, reparenting work etc. I really dont get the black and white and when you talk about other approaches you quote some one that isnt trauma informed at all such as the author from the break fast club when there are multiples of authors such as Pete Walker (has 3 books on cptsd) that are a lot more top down, suggesting grieving, boundaries , psychoeducation, connection, shrinking the inner critic, insight into the 4fs responses, coming back from emotional flashbacks etc. No need to dismiss others. Not to mention i understood and practiced and maintained not supressing anger and emotions, but setting boundaries and asserting myself as one of the first lessons in my healing journey. Without even knowing about the somatic approach oficially until 2 years later. Some people come to look at the body approach or integrate into their recovery lot later, and that doesnt mean that all they did before that was change their diet. I did a lot of trauma work specially in the areas of assertivity, boundaries (which is in a nutshell not supressing but expressing/expanding, finding safe people, etc, communicating to see who is safe and who isnt, leaving unsafe ones ), self-respect and reparenting myself, processing my emotions etc, be4 i saw this approach which i like, but please stop saying that the only other approaches out there are eating salad because that is dismissive, not true and black and white, and thats like one of the arguments you keep repeating in your videos that keeps landing quite bad..... Its not like either you know Irene Lyon or your out there trying to heal by eating salads. Those aren't the 2 only options as i illustrated, a lot of the trauma informed principles i tried to illustrate in my message i was doing , already, and i hadnt know about the body or the somatic world but they are still out there in the fields of trauma healing maybe considered a bit more top down, but there still extremely trauma informed, in some ways can offer things the somatic approach cant yet, and arent just "changing diets"
I have thankfully 4 years and 7 months in my own healing journey have done support groups , a lot of works on boundaries and authenticity, being my true self all of that, some somatic experiencing and some emdr I still think Irene Lyon's black and white delivery of this can be dismissive to people who are also genuine survivors, and need to be seen heard believe and accepted , to start developing self compassion, healthy boundaries (with agency ) andotherf things she is good for the body, but I wouldn't send survivors of certain trauma to her because she seems to lack the ability to empathize and believe survivors, that is still a key point of my healing journey for instance, another person who believed me, held space and empathized for as long as was needed was so important for me to start developing more self compassion on my self a loving parent voice, and the boundaries to start defending myself and advocating for my needs in healthy ways that allowed to start being my true self and choosing safe enough people and taking my space in the world, to share my true self and choose safe enough people, were worth it. With gentleness humor love and respect. Take care :) @@kimberlysmith8968
Welcome Julie! I'm Jen with Irene's Team. If you're new around here, you might check out Irene's "New Here" page. Here's a link: irenelyon.com/new-here/
Irene, you have wonderful information, BUT you could be so much more powerful if you could stay on topic. You could be more concise. One example, you spend a whole minute talking about how you mentioned the 2 nd and 3rd stage right after each other. TMI. Distracting. Now you’ve gone off on tangent with P. Levine. The nuggets of info are sprinkled in between many distractions and tributaries of unnecessary distracting tributaries. Now, you’re off onto dissociation when you were talking about connecting to physiology. So hard for me to follow what you’re saying. Frustrating. However, I really appreciate your efforts and teaching. I’m just checking out when you go off on tangents.
adreal fatigue is a fiction and not an actual medical problem. adrenal insufficiency is an actual medical problem which is not caused by stress or burnout. US endocrinology does not recognize adrenal fatigue as a real medical problem. this does not mean you should ignore your problem however. its just not adrenal fatigue, its something most likely to do with your psychological health and you should seek counceling for.
I mean there is plenty of science backing up the fact that emotional stress physically kills you or makes you ill in the long run. Isn't that a "real medical problem"?
@@postcardsfromspace6372 i'm not down-playing stress at all. its a serious problem, that people need to adress, in fact i believe it should be taken just as seriously as physical illnesses. All i was saying above is adrenal fatigue is a fiction never ligitimately proven by science and the USA endocrine society does not recognize it as an existing physical issue.
Hi Jack Kenney, Jen here from Team Lyon. As Gabrielle M touched on, Adrenal Fatigue is the more commonly known term for what I more technically known as HPA axis dysfunction. You are accurate that allopathic medicine does not currently recognize this - this doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It often takes institutions and establishments time to catch up to what people know experientially and what pioneers in related fields discover through other channels. Chronic Fatigue and Epstein Barr for example were experienced by people and treated by holistic practitioners for years before they were accepted and recognized by the medical establishment. Peter Levine, PhD founder of Somatic Experiencing often references HPA dysfunction in the context of chronic issues and Kathy Kain, creator of Somatic Practice, talks about chronic health conditions in the context of allopathic load on the system. Both have treated in excess of 10,000 people, many with chronic illness often referred by MD's. I find Aviva Romm to be a good source of info on this if you're looking to hear from an MD. She is a midwife and herbalist who also got her MD from the Yale School of Medicine. She is heavily researched focused and will specific when something she talks about or advocates isn't backed by research. And to bring it back to what Irene teaches, there are many people who participate in her online programs, often for adrenal fatigue, burn out and related conditions, who experience improvement and healing where they were unable to find it through traditional channels.
I chose a life of shame, guilt, nicotine, marijuana, food, alcohol, sex in order to numb the uncomfortable, but a year of slowly rewiring, releasing and healing with professional therapy and me sticking through the stickiness has allowed to me to finally feel the light, happiness, and joy within myself and all parts of life!
Interesting how clearing out the old traumatic programming allows room to truly regulate the adrenals and calm the “flight, fight, or freeze”
Where is these conditions treated and what is the correct form of treatment in Europe?
How did you do it?
Wow, the part about lack of attunement, attachment, and unconditional love ...and how growing up unsafe all the time makes us a magnet for more toxic unloving people to come into our lives as adults... I spent most of my life trying to out run this and make sure that my past didn’t cause this to happen. In spite of all that, I got married later in life only to find out within a few short weeks that I was with someone that was just like my parents and the unsafe environment that they created: emotionally, mentally, etc. I chose the same junk all over again.
I let nice guys go but I chose this one. Good to have confirmation as to why, which surprisingly gives me a sense of peace because now I understand it better. It’s time to heal. Thank you so much for your life-saving work! 🌼
"nice guys" may also not what you want, just like "ass holes". Those are broken little boys under the hood. There's a type of man maybe best described by "powerful, sensitive warrior" or something like that with a balanced, healthy nervous system. It's not common though.
@@Yetipfotewounded nice guys = manchild
I really relate to trying to get on top of other health areas but not managing to make progress beyond a certain point because of adrenal fatigue & chronic stress. That describes me. I can try and eat well & exercise but often I just end up burnt out and give up. And then go back to unhealthy ways of coping.
My symptoms and I'm 31 years of age: Brain fog, anxiety, panic attacks, sleep problems, chronic fatigue, floaters in eyes, pixelated vision, vertigo. All after I stopped drinking caffiene. Had a bad day today but I'm still staying positive.
Oh my god you are taking about my health issues....so identical
@zedbeeskitchen623 I don't think it's adrenal fatigue. I think my gut is so unhealthy from drinking alcohol and eating crap when I was younger contributed to the health problem. Biggest thing as well would be stress and caffiene. But now I'm on the way to healing my gut and feeling much better. Always here if you need to chat. Can be hard for others to understand what we are going through.
@@charlesgray107 Caffeine irritates my system so much! But I like the taste of coffee so much on the other hand. One Espresso per day is ok though. And green tea feels even better but I don't particularly love the taste.
You stopped drinking caffeine and all these symptoms started?
PleSe take vitamin B1 immediately
I have cptsd and my fight flight is running 24/7. So stressed and read Waking the Tiger by Dr Peter Levine, I “get it” and wish I had helpvwith Somatic experiencing but I cannot afford it. Best wishes to all of my compatriots who’ve suffered.
Hello! How are you feeling now?
The part about neurorelaxation and recognizing how much rest I need feeling like death...so relatable. I asked my therapist awhile back if it is "normal" to feel SO much as you start to become aware
I am sooo glad I discovered your channel last night! Just had my first appt. with a naturopath this past Friday, and today I had blood drawn for some in depth testing. She confirmed for me that adrenal fatigue is a likely part of what is going on with me. She has already prescribed a number of supplements, dietary changes, etc. and I suspect there will be more after we get the results of the labwork. So hearing you talk about how "doing all the things" usually isn't enough, and explaining why could not come at a better time. I feel like it will give me an advantage to know this at the beginning of working with a naturopath, instead of possibly hitting a wall later on because I didn't have this information! I can't afford your class right now, but I hope I can learn some of the techniques to be able to get out of shutdown and fight/flight/freeze, be more in my body, etc. I've been stuck in fatigue and severe overwhelm for about 7 years now, and things seem to finally be coming together for me to take some serious steps toward healing.
Wow, watching this a month and a half after moving out of my dysfunctional family home for the first time in 27 years, for a 4 month house sitting stint, and in conjunction with a couple of other things, like finishing a degree a month before, my nervous system and mind had an extremely intense time. Leading up, I'd been in a place where I felt like I'd been doing a lot of mental and emotional, cognitive work, but feeling like there was more to it, physically, holistically, and on a soul/spiritual level. So I'd been seeking out answers in that way, but I hadn't educated myself much on the nervous system. And it was exactly like Irene describes here, that my dysregulation that had been dysregulating all my life and was a pretty darn big onion if I say so myself...it came to the forefront, or it was like I literally awoke to the reality of it. Big time. Honestly, it was retraumatising, as I really had no idea what was going on, I just knew I was having major depressive symptoms. I had a few intense days where it literally felt like I was losing my mind - and that I was in my deepest fear, and on the verge of 'insanity', to which I felt my brain literally respond with a wall being put down, severe dissociation. I literally awoke to the fact that I've been dissociated my whole life, and heavily so since my teens with further layers being added to the onion, and it felt like with this knowledge, my house was burned down and I had to build a new one - I said this to my psychologist, then heard Irene describe this later in one of her videos. But it's amazing that with my first actual separation from my family, and isolation, after enmeshment and emotional abuse for years and years, it was like my body after so long in that particular built up survival mode, rose to the surface, safe to be seen, or more like arising out of fear for functioning in an unfamiliar way, like my body only knew how to function and survive in and around this dysfunction. Knowing that it was dysfunctional broke through the glass ceiling, and the truth put me in overwhelm and shock. I am glad that I am still here, as it's been quite journey since then, realising some of my childhood wounds and trauma, and that I have cptsd, fearful/avoidant attachment and quite possibly a personality disorder. But all I've been doing day in and day out is educating myself with psychology videos, and I'm so grateful for the work of people like Irene and their sharing of it. Sending love to all of you on your healing journeys
Hi I am from Glasgow. I am a 75 year old long time survivor of childhood trauma.
Welcome elizabeth gibb, great to have you joining us here on Irene's channel. - Jen from Team Lyon
At 26:00 - that hasn’t happened for me yet - I had an accident 2 years ago that changed everything in my life - today Im finding it so hard to get my life back because I just don’t feel strong like I used to be - I’m sure this is why - I’m really trying to heal all this (I’m 55) this won’t control my life forever.
Love from Seattle~ Viki
Thank you for the information. It’s hard to even listen to these as it’s a recognition of everything that’s happened. But still helpful. Thank you for what you do to help others❤
20:10 there is no rest
21:10 when we are going going going...
21:33 functional freeze th-cam.com/video/DmJtHB__ji0/w-d-xo.html
How to come out of a chronic freeze response after repeated stress & trauma || IRENE LYON || Q&A th-cam.com/video/9EyqPOI3auk/w-d-xo.html
This is one of your best videos- so comprehensive and clear. I am so grateful to you and love that your team includes the topic lists by time and links to your and others’ resources. This is better than my grad education!! Know that I am part of your ripple effect. Thank you for helping me help others! I plan to take your SBSM and other offerings soon to further inform my future clinical practice.
Thanks for the feedback Landscapes for Learning! Jen here from Team Lyon. So great to hear that this is helping you to help others. Look forward to seeing you in SBSM!
Greetings from Australia. Thank you for addressing this topic, it's a keeper! I downloaded it for other members of my family. God Bless.
this is good, i feel like im doing a lot of the right things. although i do the avoiding sometimes also i struggle with forming healthy relationships to replace the relationships lost when i had to cut my family out.
Second video of yours I'm watching and this was really helpful! I have been wondering why i don't breathe. J hold my breath.
My health deteriorated after a corporate job for 1 year and 2 months.
I'm in the 7 th year of recovery.God bless you.
April 5,2022.
Very much the same with me.
I love your way of integrating the information and present it in a coherent like story!
Irene you are so informative. I love these videos and am eager to learn more and heal.
I feel high alert for years, my body feels like it's 'on' every day. Heartpalpitatons, my skin burns, buzzing in my head, ringing ears.... the doc says I have a panic disorder. I take antidepressants and xanax (low est dose 1 or 2 a day) I'm very emotional and feel like I'm stuck. Im listening....I just don't know what to do. I really try to make something out of everyday.....the symptoms are just bugging me every moment. 🥺
Hi Nicky, Seth here from Team Lyon. Sorry to hear about your intense symptoms! 'Panic Disorder' is really just a symptom of unresolved trauma and nervous system dysregulation, as are all your symptoms. It sounds like you would really benefit from doing this work! Here are a few ways that you can get started...
Free resources - irenelyon.com/free-resources-2/
Paid Programs - irenelyon.com/programs/
Find a Practitioner - th-cam.com/video/04XF7ANnqGk/w-d-xo.html
You are not alone. I have the same exact symptoms. I also cannot sleep...maybe a couple of hours at best. What a relief though to finally understand what the heck is going on. Thankfully these folks are doing this work and that we have found them.
Watch sally j Norton and cut out oxalates
Look for cfs recovery by miguel bautista. Very helpful.
This taught me a great deal and validated a lot of experience I didn't understand.
Hi Irene! thanks so much for all your recourses, it helps me a lot to understand myself.
I have a question about the listening to our physiology.
I have ibs and I find that the more I get aware of my digestion, the more anxiety and symptoms I get. the best thing often is to say to my stomach: I trust you to digest and take care of this, and I don't need to check in, change or control you. and I can immerse myself in something else. this seems to give me more calmness and sometimes I suddenly notice the bloatedness and pain has reduced.
i see there must be a good way to be aware of bodily expressions and maybe one way that contributes more to anxiety and control?
Hi Johanne, Jen here from Team Lyon. To clarity this idea of listening to the physiology a little, when we bring attention to different parts of ourselves in this work, we are not doing to so with the intention to change or control, and the idea of checking in may be a bit strong too. Rather we are offering presence, simply bring attention to an area with a sense of curiosity and care. It sounds like what you're doing is similar to this, and that it's working for you and your system which is great.
Sometimes there is often to much going on in an area for us to pay a lot of direct attention here. In this case, we pay attention where it IS supportive and take steps to grow capacity and in time, it will typically be supportive to bring direct attention to this area. In keeping with what I mentioned at the start, do not push or force this in any way.
Another key concept/idea to keep in mind is that we can also do what's called titrating and pendulating, paying just small bits of attention to one area, and then focusing on another area. I'll link to a few of Irene's related resources in case you want to learn more.
Titration Explained: Never Rush Trauma Healing - irenelyon.com/2020/04/26/titration-explained-never-rush-trauma-healing/
Pendulation: How to Shift Focus to Calm Overwhelm - th-cam.com/video/4Wbo1LPx-e8/w-d-xo.html
hey, I'am from Germany by the way. So, nice picture of yours: takes time, like learning a new language!
Thank you! Your videos are always informative and relatable, you explain everything so well. 🙏🏼
This was wonderful. Thank you.
So glad it was informative!! Irene :)
This is my newest favorite video of yours. 🙏
I've had decades of physical and emotional stress. This resulted 4 years ago in my body basicly giving out on me. I lost the use of my legs, all my inards, gut, heart, brain all lost contact, anxiety attacks and I have been through more hell. I was getting treatment but that all stopped during covid as I refused to insult my body further with experimental drugs being injected into it. I seem to be stuck there, feeling good for a few days then bang, down again. It's horrible
Hello, Sophia from Team Lyon here. Thank you for sharing your story, we appreciate it. As we cannot consult in this comment section, I encourage you to check out Irene's free resources, which may offer answers and insight about various issues, including what you mentioned irenelyon.com/free-resources-2/
So grateful for the information. Thanks
Greetings from Canada ♡. One day I hope to potentially study in Somatic Experiencing to help others. =)
You are an inspiration, Irene.
Great information insightful
We developed STUBBORN POOR PROTECTIVE Habits actually harm our bodies
This was a fantastic video. Thank you.
When coming out of freeze is it normal to have rage/anger
Hi Ashley Andrews, Jen here from Team Lyon. Yes, for sure it is normal to have rage and anger when coming out of freeze.
There is typically a LOT of sympathetic activation (aka life-force) underlying freeze so when we start to thaw, we can also start to experience this activation. I'll link to a few of Irene's anger resources in case they are of interest. Irene also teaches this in more depth in her online program, SmartBody SmartMind.
irenelyon.com/2017/05/15/anger-essential-heres/
th-cam.com/video/4wdeBJ39Cuw/w-d-xo.html
Constant stress caused histamine intolerance for me. Which makes everything even worse.... I had a really messed up childhood and was neglected from the very beginning. I feel overwhelmed, since food and supplements cause histamine symptoms. 😔 I feel paralyzed in what to do.
Hi Becky, Jen here from Team Lyon. I hear you, many of us come to this work can feel overwhelmed. Know that small steps make a difference in time. I'll link to one of Irene's resources that may be of interest to you.
irenelyon.com/4-steps-to-calm-overwhelm/
Thank you 🙏🏻 ❤
Nice topic! Love all of your ideas! Thanks for this helpful vid! :)
Excellent 👌
I haven’t listened to the whole thing, but my immediate question: I had some labs that suggested adrenal INSUFFICIENCY (further testing showed it wasn’t...but we still never figured out why my labs were bad). When I looked up “adrenal ‘fatigue’” I found many scholarly articles saying that wasn’t a thing, that it’s something made up, essentially.
So I guess my question is, the adrenal insufficiency was thought to be going on because I had a pituitary adenoma in the past. So would we still blame stress for that? Would any of this help if it was actually a disease process going on?
Thanks so much for all you do! My degree was in neuropsych so I already kinda loved this stuff, but now that I have anxiety/OCD it’s taken on much more significance!
Did you get the adenoma removed?
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Can adrenals themselves store trauma? The fight or flight energy?
Hi Sonja L., Jen here from Team Lyon. I'd hesitate to say for sure that adrenals can store trauma as we don't yet know all the physiological mechanisms involved in how the body holds survival responses, and for sure they can and are impacted by trauma.
Hi with the Autonomic nervous system and the issue of wiring from when yiu are young.
You hit the ' nail on the head' as that is me.
So how can i change this?
Kinesiologist?
I have adrenal fatigue stage 3?
How do uou know know what stage of AF you are in?
I enjoy your talks immensely.
I am in rural Australia.
Thank you 😊
@mardiwalker, Jen here from Irene's Team. You asked how to heal from AFS and how to support change when we learned to live from a place of survival at a young age. Learning to work with the nervous system - which is what Irene teaches people to do - is the most effective way we've found to shift these patterns and create new ones.
We do work with AFS, and as we're not medical professionals we don't go into detail about the different stages. It sounds like you might be new around here, so I'll share a link to Irene's New Here? page. I'll also link to a video about AFS in case you want to check it out.
New Here? - irenelyon.com/new-here/
How to heal adrenal fatigue by working with the stress organs? - irenelyon.com/2019/11/03/how-to-heal-adrenal-fatigue-by-working-with-stress-organs/
@IreneLyon Hi would you be able to tell me what these courses cost in Australian dollars?
@@mardiwalkerHi there, Susan here from Team Lyon. You can use this currency calculator - www.calculator.net/currency-calculator.html - to find out the current rates for you. We don't charge international fees, we charge in US, BUT if you are from another country, you may incur exchange rates or international fees from your credit card company.
Your hair is so gorgeous! Sorry I’m listening, I just had to say that. Maybe if I can regulate my nervous system, my hair will grow back... it’s sad looking. 🙂
I agree with you both
Hi hanamink, there are no guarantees and growing nervous system over time does often improve the body's ability to heal and regenerate, including bringing hormones more into balance so who knows! it's definitely happened with people before. - Jen from Team Lyon.
@@teamlyon3109 thank you for that!
She is a beautiful soul
My hair has gotten so nice and thicker after I started eating lots of legumes. And doing Karen Hurd´s bean protocol for adrenal fatigue.
Review is great! Always in a new context with new content, and repetition reawakens what is familiar but invaluable, and avoids overlooking it for the new. Besides, stress makes it hard to recall even what's familiar, when needed most.
And, “acquiesce” was a perfect term, and it’s different from just casually raising the white flag.
sound is good and hello from NJ
what kind of diet do you recommend for adrenal fatigue?
look into "the bean protocol" Karen Hurd. I am doing that, it has helped me so much. It is basically a balanced diet(no sugar) with lots of beans and all stimulants are forbidden. No coffee, tea, alcohol, nicotine, sugar, perfumes etc. And lots of rest.
I have never lived comfortably in my own body. Been in freeze mode since childhood, now in my 60's. A caregiver, and burning out. Cptsd since childhood. PURE MISERY!!!!
Hello @lorettazwarts4847 Sophia here from TeamLyon. Thank you for your comment and question and sorry to hear you're navigating a challenging situation.
Many folks find this nervous system work at its heart is about becoming who YOU truly are and finally learning what it means to go from living in a state of survival, stress and anxiety to a place of hope, possibility and solid well-being.
A good place to start would be Irene's free resources and mini training "Healing Trauma", all of which are housed under this link:
irenelyon.com/free-resources/
Additionally, here are some videos about the "freeze" response you may find interesting:
th-cam.com/video/JCF2ZkE8bs4/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/-qPCzzn-uQA/w-d-xo.html
Feel free to reach out to our support inbox if you have any questions
Thank you 💝
I only came to understand this was my problem after developing a constant noise from my head and finding somebody who explained it. Is that a common symptom or just peculiar to me?
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I’m 42 and have the most chronic symptoms of stress for around 2 years now. I also had a miss carriage about 3 years ago and haven’t been able to fall pregnant since. The anxiety low mood, ringing in ears, eye floaters, head pressure and fog terrible digestion and now terrible health anxiety which is really getting me down. The thing is we don’t know if it’s gut related (although doing all the good things for this) hormones, or to do with infertility. If this is perimenopause symptoms will this work help with my hormones? I really don’t want to go down the road of hrt or even bio hormones. Is it normal for people to suffer in this stage of life?
Hi Terri Mur, Jen here from Team Lyon. The symptoms you describe do sound like trauma may be playing a role (speaking generally as I haven't met you). Often the hormone fluctuations, gut issues, and the other symptoms are interrelated. Nervous system regulation does often help with hormone levels (as well as with digestion, sleep, anxiety, and more), and it varies depending on the person, their history, and their unique nervous system.
Question: in the recovery process would you say it's important to avoid caffeine 100% or would you say it just needs to be kept to an absolute minimum?
Frank Beegle, Jen here from Team Lyon. It really depends on the person, and what they are dealing with. If you have more sever adrenal fatigue, my understanding is that it can be important to avoid caffein for a time while you heal. When this is the case, the system is depleted so giving it caffein is kind of like trying to drive a car on gas fumes.
Okay ... Thanks a lot!
so helpful
What is the best diet for adrenal fatigue.
Hi Stock Master, Jen here from Team Lyon. Irene focuses on teaching people how to heal through growing what we call nervous system regulation. She does sometimes interview people about how different ways of eating have supported their healing, and giving specific guidance related to nutrition is outside of the scope of what we do here. I'll link to another video Irene created about how this work relates to healing adrenal fatigue in case you want to check it out.
How to heal adrenal fatigue by working with the stress organs - irenelyon.com/2019/11/03/how-to-heal-adrenal-fatigue-by-working-with-stress-organs/
hi SBSM family- is there a correlation between adrenal tumors and stress physiology or complex trauma?
Hi Susan, Seth here from Team Lyon. Yup, I would say certainly so. Pretty much all doctors worth their salt agree at this point that chronic stress and unfelt / unexpressed emotion is a leading cause of cancer, and the adrenal glands are directly involved with the stress response.
Do you have adenoma?
Hi! If the ANS dysregulation is the reason to diagnosis like ADD etc, do you then mean it has nothing to do with the genetics?
Hi nina rydehn, genetics often plays a role alongside nervous system dysregulation and environmental factors. It's a mix. - Jen from Team Lyon
Many conditions to deal with. Consistently ful of TENSION. STRAINED. CO- DEPENDENT.. 😢😢😢😢
HOW ?? WHERE IS THE COMPASSIONATE GIVERS
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Thanks Irene, very interesting topic🙏❤️selfhelpchampion
Do you have a video where you speak of young children? 10 to 11? Basically, kids that have adhd or occasional raging . How do you help them to heal adrenals when they have constant stress and trama?
Hello, Sophia from Team Lyon here. Irene has an entire playlist dedicated to children. Here is it: th-cam.com/play/PL_tIcR-r0CU7ILnciQbAUULSBimkIMDHn.html
Am I able to ask Irene a question about Panic Disorder/Agoraphobia?
Hi Jules, Jen here from Team Lyon. You can ask questions here. Seth and I are both nervous system specialists who answer questions people ask here in comments. You can also write an email to support@irenelyon.com to let them know you'd like Irene to do a blog or vlog on this.
From a nervous system perspective, panic disorder and agoraphobia are symptoms of nervous system dysregulation. Symptoms often lessen and dissipate over time as people learn to heal trauma and bring more nervous system regulation and capacity on board. If you haven't yet watched Irene's free Healing Trauma training, I'd recommend checking that out too for more info.
irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
@@teamlyon3109 thank you so much for this! I’ve been through so much in my life which I won’t put on here. I’ve got stage 3/4 Adrenal Fatigue but still dealing with panic disorder etc. I’ve watched every video Irene has done on trauma healing but I don’t know where to start?
Would be amazing if Irene could do a video on healing Agoraphobia etc ❤️
@@Juleswev you're so welcome. Jen here again. If you're ready to start, I'd suggest starting with Irene's 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up. If you do, know that you can go very slowly and do a small part of a practice and it will make a difference. When we have late state AF, it's a sign that our system has been working hard and is depleted, so it's important to go slowly.
If it's an option to work with a professional trained in Kathy Kain's Somatic Practice work, that can be very helpful alongside participating in Irene's programs.
And I will reiterate your suggestion to Irene!
21daytuneup.com
Is the podcast up and running ?❤
Nina Pearse, no, I don't believe so. If I find out otherwise I'll report back. - Jen from Team Lyon
@@IreneLyon thank you
i love this content but i kind of wish you could put this into an easy to understand concise diagram or something all the caveats i get lost
Thanks for your comment risha a. I'll pass it along to Irene. - Jen from Team Lyon
I often faint, has done since I was a kid 😢 diagnosed as PNES. Has anyone with this got better on your program?
HI C Katt, Jen here from Team Lyon. That sounds challenging, very glad you found Irene's channel and teachings. While can't say for sure whether this work would help without knowing more about your nervous system and history, fainting can in many cases be a result of nervous system dysregulation. Many people with histories of fainting for a variety of purposes have seen improvement from doing this work. I'll look into whether people with PNES specifically have improved from participating in SmartBody SmartMind.
@@teamlyon3109 will 21 day tune up help me?
@@ckatt352, the 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up is a great way to build foundation and it's helped many people.
Most of us, and especially those of us with chronic conditions, may also need the deeper work that SmartBody SmartMind (SBSM) and/or 1-1 work with a nervous system trained practitioner can provide to realize the degree of healing we seek. Either way, the "Tune Up" will likely help, whether as preparation for SBSM, to prepare for and speed up the work with a 1-1 practitioner, or both.
Thanks for reply.
I've seen most of your videos, will I learn something new in 21day tune up?
@@ckatt352, some of the material will probably be familiar and some will be new. What's different is that the mix of education and practices is presented in a sequential way that you can follow at your own pace. There's also a facebook group where you can ask nervous system trained professionals questions about your experience as you go through the course.
I wonder feeling stucked in life, will that cause adrenal fatigue?
Hello, Sophia with Team Lyon here. While we cannot consult or diagnose, as everyone is unique, each symptom or syndrome is often caused by more than one thing. If you wish to learn more about how your nervous system operates, I highly recoment checking out Irene's free resources: irenelyon.com/free-resources/
yall dismiss the top down approach to much... its almost like a black and white extremism you have. I didnt learn about the body until 2 years in my healing cptsd journey. I learnt many concepts and had a long healing journey before that with growth and trasnformation. I learnt that buy setting boudnaries and finding safe people to share that encouraged me to continue in my healing journey, self-respect, valuing myself speaking up and ofcourse the grieving work and reprocessing of beliefs and all of that that goes along with it. For sure the somatic approach can be helpful you just if you would please stop dismissing other approaches, and talking in as much black and white , i.e. the kathy kain quote. You dismiss people like Pete Walker, John Bradhsaw, i dont know, Brene Brown, Bessel Van derl Kolk, Gabor Mate, many actually trauma informed people when you say stuff like only your unique approach is the right one. All of these authors i mentioned above are trauma informed and even van der kolk suggests boundaries looking at relationship dynamics emdr, reparenting work etc. I really dont get the black and white and when you talk about other approaches you quote some one that isnt trauma informed at all such as the author from the break fast club when there are multiples of authors such as Pete Walker (has 3 books on cptsd) that are a lot more top down, suggesting grieving, boundaries , psychoeducation, connection, shrinking the inner critic, insight into the 4fs responses, coming back from emotional flashbacks etc. No need to dismiss others. Not to mention i understood and practiced and maintained not supressing anger and emotions, but setting boundaries and asserting myself as one of the first lessons in my healing journey. Without even knowing about the somatic approach oficially until 2 years later. Some people come to look at the body approach or integrate into their recovery lot later, and that doesnt mean that all they did before that was change their diet. I did a lot of trauma work specially in the areas of assertivity, boundaries (which is in a nutshell not supressing but expressing/expanding, finding safe people, etc, communicating to see who is safe and who isnt, leaving unsafe ones ), self-respect and reparenting myself, processing my emotions etc, be4 i saw this approach which i like, but please stop saying that the only other approaches out there are eating salad because that is dismissive, not true and black and white, and thats like one of the arguments you keep repeating in your videos that keeps landing quite bad..... Its not like either you know Irene Lyon or your out there trying to heal by eating salads. Those aren't the 2 only options as i illustrated, a lot of the trauma informed principles i tried to illustrate in my message i was doing , already, and i hadnt know about the body or the somatic world but they are still out there in the fields of trauma healing maybe considered a bit more top down, but there still extremely trauma informed, in some ways can offer things the somatic approach cant yet, and arent just "changing diets"
Watch more videos. She literally talks about the people you mention.
I have thankfully 4 years and 7 months in my own healing journey have done support groups , a lot of works on boundaries and authenticity, being my true self all of that, some somatic experiencing and some emdr I still think Irene Lyon's black and white delivery of this can be dismissive to people who are also genuine survivors, and need to be seen heard believe and accepted , to start developing self compassion, healthy boundaries (with agency ) andotherf things she is good for the body, but I wouldn't send survivors of certain trauma to her because she seems to lack the ability to empathize and believe survivors, that is still a key point of my healing journey for instance, another person who believed me, held space and empathized for as long as was needed was so important for me to start developing more self compassion on my self a loving parent voice, and the boundaries to start defending myself and advocating for my needs in healthy ways that allowed to start being my true self and choosing safe enough people and taking my space in the world, to share my true self and choose safe enough people, were worth it. With gentleness humor love and respect. Take care :) @@kimberlysmith8968
Your hair looks pretty
Julie from south africa
Welcome Julie! I'm Jen with Irene's Team. If you're new around here, you might check out Irene's "New Here" page. Here's a link: irenelyon.com/new-here/
How awesome that would be, to not have to take thyroid meds~
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Kidneys wear out. 😢
Irene, you have wonderful information, BUT you could be so much more powerful if you could stay on topic. You could be more concise. One example, you spend a whole minute talking about how you mentioned the 2 nd and 3rd stage right after each other. TMI. Distracting. Now you’ve gone off on tangent with P. Levine. The nuggets of info are sprinkled in between many distractions and tributaries of unnecessary distracting tributaries. Now, you’re off onto dissociation when you were talking about connecting to physiology. So hard for me to follow what you’re saying. Frustrating. However, I really appreciate your efforts and teaching. I’m just checking out when you go off on tangents.
adreal fatigue is a fiction and not an actual medical problem. adrenal insufficiency is an actual medical problem which is not caused by stress or burnout. US endocrinology does not recognize adrenal fatigue as a real medical problem. this does not mean you should ignore your problem however. its just not adrenal fatigue, its something most likely to do with your psychological health and you should seek counceling for.
It does exist but should be called HPA axis dysfunction. Stands for hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal and is more of a functional issue.
@@gabriellem6947 there is no science to back it up www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/qa/is-adrenal-fatigue-a-myth
I mean there is plenty of science backing up the fact that emotional stress physically kills you or makes you ill in the long run. Isn't that a "real medical problem"?
@@postcardsfromspace6372 i'm not down-playing stress at all. its a serious problem, that people need to adress, in fact i believe it should be taken just as seriously as physical illnesses. All i was saying above is adrenal fatigue is a fiction never ligitimately proven by science and the USA endocrine society does not recognize it as an existing physical issue.
Hi Jack Kenney, Jen here from Team Lyon. As Gabrielle M touched on, Adrenal Fatigue is the more commonly known term for what I more technically known as HPA axis dysfunction. You are accurate that allopathic medicine does not currently recognize this - this doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It often takes institutions and establishments time to catch up to what people know experientially and what pioneers in related fields discover through other channels. Chronic Fatigue and Epstein Barr for example were experienced by people and treated by holistic practitioners for years before they were accepted and recognized by the medical establishment.
Peter Levine, PhD founder of Somatic Experiencing often references HPA dysfunction in the context of chronic issues and Kathy Kain, creator of Somatic Practice, talks about chronic health conditions in the context of allopathic load on the system. Both have treated in excess of 10,000 people, many with chronic illness often referred by MD's.
I find Aviva Romm to be a good source of info on this if you're looking to hear from an MD. She is a midwife and herbalist who also got her MD from the Yale School of Medicine. She is heavily researched focused and will specific when something she talks about or advocates isn't backed by research. And to bring it back to what Irene teaches, there are many people who participate in her online programs, often for adrenal fatigue, burn out and related conditions, who experience improvement and healing where they were unable to find it through traditional channels.