Hi Bill, What a great repair job on the vintage 1980 Hornby APT 5 coach train with hinged bodies.I have watched this video several times and decided to source e bay for this APT set.I woud never have dreamed of buying this set until i saw your friends 5 car model speeding around your marvellous layout.I was so impressed there is a set now in transit.Thank you.
@@oobill Hi Bill,Thats great news.Like yourself my layout is not massive but the APT set will look well running with the HST sets including the attractive Swallow set,The 6 car Eurostar and Triang blue Pullman.I got my first RM magazine in 1974 for 20 pence.There was a statement "The hobby of a lifetime"and its so true,hooked for ife.
I’m getting a T-shirt made: ‘I had the dirtiest motor that OO Bill Serviced!’ 😂 Yes, 40 years of solidified gunk... props to you for sorting that Bill, thank you very much indeed! No rush for it back so play away for a few weeks my friend. This was by far my favourite model when I was a kid, so I’m absolutely delighted to see it running so sweetly again. Can’t thank you enough. I’ll send you a pack of latex gloves as a thank-you 😁
What a wonderful piece of kit, it looks smashing racing round your layout! I just wish mechanisms were as easy to service as that these days! Fantastic job again. 👍
Nice repair job, you could tell you were tickled by it, great running shots. A train that wants you to give it, its' legs. Looks good at speed. Great upload. All the best. Brian @ The Angels
Great video. I have one of these and I absolutely love it. Considering that is from the early 80s, Hornby produced a superb model all things considered.
Great job Bill, as I said I have two of these and I should give them a service as one is running a bit rough. They look teriffic and the cinematography makes it look even better👍
Hey Bill nice video, I have the same model and i am thinking of getting the new version when it comes out later this year, although it is a bit expensive they are producing all the various coach types this time. I’ve often seen the real APT at Crewe where it sits in the museum next to the mainline.
Excellent. By the look of the wear patterns on the wheels etc, it looks like this has had plenty of high speed running. I don't know anything about these models but there must be something worn out or missing that allows the motor bogie to just drop out like that. I can see why you want one 😊👍
I remember the real thing 40 years ago it was stabled between Glasgow central and Paisley Gilmore stations. the model runs better than the real thing done
The clips on the power bogie are metal to add weight to the whole bogie but they also provide the drive unit it’s tilting feature as these trains in real life tilted on curves
Hi Bill. Hoping you can help me on this one. I've just bought an original APT set (amongst a load of other stuff) from a friend and I've serviced the motor, greased and oiled moving parts etc, including the middle gear wheel on the motor spindle and when I test it on the track with the body of the power car on, it screams!!! I've sanded the mouldings off the gears and will now buy a new set of gears to try to eliminate the noise, but is there something I'm missing here?? It's doing my head in! Update: The APT rides again, without any screaming! I'd missed the tiny pin that sticks out on the opposite side to the gears, so I oiled it and now it works perfectly, well, slight slippage, but new gears will sort that out.
@@oobill Hi Bill, thanks for the reply. The tyres are new and the wheels don't turn, although I can hear the gears turning. I think I sanded the mouldings off the gears too hard and made the small gears too thin, so I think they aren't always catching the wheels enough.
Check the back to back on the wheels with gears. If it's set too wide the gears won't always engage. Usually between 13.8 and 14.1mm will do. When I sand gears I use a very fine grit paper on a hard flat surface. I only sand enough to get rid of any flash so yes you need to be careful and over sanding could cause problems with gears being loose and not engaging properly.
Great fun with the post testing. Did you run it in reverse as well and enjoy that for a good 30mins??? Lol excellent job. Think I asked when an APT may turn up on the layout while back, well looks fantastic after a job very Well done 👍 thanks for another great video, when you gonna have time for just a running session? All best marc
Good videos,. Nice to see the apt running so well although no lights on front, how about you got yourself one and twin motor it up . I'm trying that with my APTS but only one running at a time 🙂🧐. Your input would be excellent
We're the headlights working? From a faded memory, didn't Hornby supply the Apt with an upgraded armature? I purchased a couple of spares armatures back in the 80s, to this day still unused!
No they don't sadly. I have the thing for a few weeks so might look into getting them working but I see no easy way of into the cabs to replace any bulbs without a lot of clips to deal with...
I think what happened is the brushes became contaminated and broke down turning it all into a morass of crumbled carbon dust, it does happen something gets into the brush material and they become like cheese and wear quadruple quick. Its like when you get a brake pad go bad it turns your nice alloys into a caked on layer of brake material :( Its something that attacks the binder.
another job well done. i contacted you a little while ago about a repair to my o 4 o loco. if you can tell me where to send it i will do so. with cash to cover costs and for your time. as i say its my first ever loco and i just want to see her running again. thanks for all the great videos. cheers tom.
Hi I have created a train service that is probably the biggest train service that's going to run on my small starter layout and I got the the idea from a Video of a train service on the Severn Valley Railway the train service is called The "Pioneer" and my version of the "Pioneer" is a bit too big for my Station halt so some of the passengers will have to walk down to the other end of the Carriages just to get off onto the platform and the carriages are sat waiting for a diesel double header one the diesels is going to be a Class 33 and another TH-camr told that if I get a Lima class 33 he recommends that I get a Lima class 52 western and I thinking about getting either a Lima or a Hornby BR blue Class 50 to couple to the back of the train to assist the class 33 and class 52 double header also if I wanted to I could swap the class 33 with class 50 and have a class 50 double heading with the class 52 western and the class 33 will act as the Banking Locomotive or I could triple head them "NOW THAT WOULD BE A SIGHT A CLASS 52 AND A CLASS 50 DOUBLE HEADING OR THE CLASS 52 WESTERN AND CLASS 50 AND THE CLASS 33 TRIPLE HEADING THAT'S AN EVEN BETTER SIGHT TO SEE JUST THINK OF THE SOUND THE THREE DIESEL LOCOMOTIVES WOULD MAKE AS THEY HURTLE TOWARDS YOU AT 100 MPH PULLING SEVERAL HUNDRED TONS BEHIND THEM" . And I know some of you out there who are die-hard train enthusiasts will disagree with me that Diesel locomotives are just as stunning as the Steam locomotive and I'm probably going to get hate comments but I personally think that Diesel locomotives Deserve a place in the worlds most beautiful and Best locomotive that were ever made. In my opinion I would put the Steam locomotive and the Diesel locomotives in first place a I agree that others are entitled to their own opinion so Feel free to disagree with me and if you are going to send me a hate comment please DO NOT comment death threats or anything that is seen as Anti social behaviour because I will either delete your comment or I will block your or I will report your comments cheers. Lewis 👍
Hi Bill, What a great repair job on the vintage 1980 Hornby APT 5 coach train with hinged bodies.I have watched this video several times and decided to source e bay for this APT set.I woud never have dreamed of buying this set until i saw your friends 5 car model speeding around your marvellous layout.I was so impressed there is a set now in transit.Thank you.
Its a fun thing for sure. Watch out for an additional video on it soon.
@@oobill Hi Bill,Thats great news.Like yourself my layout is not massive but the APT set will look well running with the HST sets including the attractive Swallow set,The 6 car Eurostar and Triang blue Pullman.I got my first RM magazine in 1974 for 20 pence.There was a statement "The hobby of a lifetime"and its so true,hooked for ife.
I’m getting a T-shirt made: ‘I had the dirtiest motor that OO Bill Serviced!’ 😂 Yes, 40 years of solidified gunk... props to you for sorting that Bill, thank you very much indeed! No rush for it back so play away for a few weeks my friend. This was by far my favourite model when I was a kid, so I’m absolutely delighted to see it running so sweetly again. Can’t thank you enough. I’ll send you a pack of latex gloves as a thank-you 😁
What a wonderful piece of kit, it looks smashing racing round your layout!
I just wish mechanisms were as easy to service as that these days!
Fantastic job again. 👍
That motor was "mawket" as we say in these parts. The owner will be delighted with what you have done 👏👏👏
Great post again Nigel and richard . Keep it up !!
I have joined on bronze yesterday i look forward to seeing your posts earlier
One of my favourites . Excellent job . A good clean up was all that was required . Dates from 1980
Lovely job. I think Andrew's going to be one happy chap with that, it was fair rocketing around at the end there.
Nice repair job, you could tell you were tickled by it, great running shots. A train that wants you to give it, its' legs. Looks good at speed. Great upload. All the best. Brian @ The Angels
Well done, Bill. Amazing what a good service can do. Just read Andrew's comment - go on, enjoy it while you can! You deserve it!
Look at all the debris on the towel. Amazing.
Lovely job bill , don't blame you for wanting it ,very cool set 👌
I know im not Bill but i looked on ebay at one of these sets close on £300!
Hi Bill I think you might find the pantograph held the motor bogie in place. Keep up the good work
Fantastic job on fixing that lovely APT Bill
Glad to see you got to run the whole 5 car set this time as opposed to my solitary power car.
Great video. I have one of these and I absolutely love it. Considering that is from the early 80s, Hornby produced a superb model all things considered.
Good one Bill! Love your vids! Cheers from Oz.
Another great repair and video, loved the sound it made as it wound up the speed on your layout
Wow never sen so much dirt out of 1 motor great job what a difference
Nice looking model Bill pleased you were able to work your usual magic
Great job Bill, as I said I have two of these and I should give them a service as one is running a bit rough. They look teriffic and the cinematography makes it look even better👍
Hey Bill nice video, I have the same model and i am thinking of getting the new version when it comes out later this year, although it is a bit expensive they are producing all the various coach types this time. I’ve often seen the real APT at Crewe where it sits in the museum next to the mainline.
That was one of my favourite fixes as i really like those Ringfield motors.Like you i wouldnt mind one of those sets.
Excellent. By the look of the wear patterns on the wheels etc, it looks like this has had plenty of high speed running. I don't know anything about these models but there must be something worn out or missing that allows the motor bogie to just drop out like that. I can see why you want one 😊👍
You have a wonderful layout, nice video
Hi Bill, Nice one , I too love to get my hands dirty, no gloves , On with the next one, All the Best Brian
I can see you really enjoyed running that round your layout Bill !
Great job! I love the new camera shots when filing the engine!
I remember the real thing 40 years ago it was stabled between Glasgow central and Paisley Gilmore stations. the model runs better than the real thing done
The clips on the power bogie are metal to add weight to the whole bogie but they also provide the drive unit it’s tilting feature as these trains in real life tilted on curves
Lucky Andrew has a new train :) Well done!!
Good repair 📹 video . It's good to bring these to life. It's a bit long for my little layout but I like it.
I had that exact same loco 40ish years ago, the later ones had blue cab window surrounds, probably worth a few quid now, if I still had it.
They are highly sought after. Very little chance of getting a 'cheap' one!
Hi Bill. Hoping you can help me on this one. I've just bought an original APT set (amongst a load of other stuff) from a friend and I've serviced the motor, greased and oiled moving parts etc, including the middle gear wheel on the motor spindle and when I test it on the track with the body of the power car on, it screams!!! I've sanded the mouldings off the gears and will now buy a new set of gears to try to eliminate the noise, but is there something I'm missing here?? It's doing my head in!
Update: The APT rides again, without any screaming! I'd missed the tiny pin that sticks out on the opposite side to the gears, so I oiled it and now it works perfectly, well, slight slippage, but new gears will sort that out.
Check the traction tyres. They need to work well on this model so make sure they are in good condition and don't rotate on the wheels.
@@oobill Hi Bill, thanks for the reply. The tyres are new and the wheels don't turn, although I can hear the gears turning. I think I sanded the mouldings off the gears too hard and made the small gears too thin, so I think they aren't always catching the wheels enough.
Check the back to back on the wheels with gears. If it's set too wide the gears won't always engage. Usually between 13.8 and 14.1mm will do. When I sand gears I use a very fine grit paper on a hard flat surface. I only sand enough to get rid of any flash so yes you need to be careful and over sanding could cause problems with gears being loose and not engaging properly.
@@oobill I measured them at 14.1, but I'll squeeze them in a bit and see if it makes a difference. Thanks again.
The scream is normally always cured by a drop of oil on the brushes side spindle
Bill the ringfield magician and another train runs the rails well done well done well done : Regards Tom
Great fun with the post testing. Did you run it in reverse as well and enjoy that for a good 30mins??? Lol excellent job. Think I asked when an APT may turn up on the layout while back, well looks fantastic after a job very Well done 👍 thanks for another great video, when you gonna have time for just a running session? All best marc
Wow that took me back, to been about 14 years old, when I got the APT set! Were the head lights working?
I don't understand why people do not know how to do simple jobs on their model trains! I was able to do do this kind of thing when i was a kid.
Awesome work there.
Great video.
Can I ask..... what gear oil do you use, and superlube?
Thanks.
Good videos,. Nice to see the apt running so well although no lights on front, how about you got yourself one and twin motor it up .
I'm trying that with my APTS but only one running at a time 🙂🧐. Your input would be excellent
Ps I have fitted led tail lights to my APTS and they look excellent 🙂
Nice fix Bill 👍🏻
Loved this. Could've let her run another 20 secs and fade. Thanks. I don't have room for a layout and this may even be better.
The frames are metal and wear out the plastic bogie retainers on the body, that's why they become loose.
Hi Bill, Did you manage to get another chassis for the B1.
We're the headlights working? From a faded memory, didn't Hornby supply the Apt with an upgraded armature? I purchased a couple of spares armatures back in the 80s, to this day still unused!
No they don't sadly. I have the thing for a few weeks so might look into getting them working but I see no easy way of into the cabs to replace any bulbs without a lot of clips to deal with...
I think what happened is the brushes became contaminated and broke down turning it all into a morass of crumbled carbon dust, it does happen something gets into the brush material and they become like cheese and wear quadruple quick. Its like when you get a brake pad go bad it turns your nice alloys into a caked on layer of brake material :( Its something that attacks the binder.
another job well done. i contacted you a little while ago about a repair to my o 4 o loco. if you can tell me where to send it i will do so. with cash to cover costs and for your time. as i say its my first ever loco and i just want to see her running again. thanks for all the great videos. cheers tom.
Oh if I had one of those I think it might mean building a big circuit in the garden
Have just watched your video, so may I ask a question :- How did there get so much dirt and muck inside the motor. ?
I reckon a lot of it is old oil or grease,plus added dust that sets when it hits the lubricants.
Just asking how i would be able to send you a project,if thats ok?
good video once again
Not a fan of the APT, it symbolises the death of loco hauled services to me haha ..
But
It's always nice to see any old model brought back to life!❤️
Surely that was the widespread adoption of the DMU in the 1950s? Also, the HST pre-dated the APT (well, the electric one!)
May I ask where you come from I am in Dunfermline
Brilliant.
Just wondering but do you charge to fix these if not would you be able to fix a Hornby peppercorn a1 tornado
You can email me via the address in the "About" tab on my channel for details on how to go about sending me a loco.
@@oobill how much money would it be for the piston rods to be fixed though
@@alfphoenix4893 You'd need to email me full details and pics.
Question Bill
How do you manage to get your white towels soo clean after servicing filthy locos like this APT
Great job mate
Nick Australia
No idea. I put them next to the washing machine and a day or two later they appear clean and folded.
I was also wondering that.
Worp factor 7 achieved.
Bill, can you tell me what lubricating oil you use please.
Hi I have created a train service that is probably the biggest train service that's going to run on my small starter layout and I got the the idea from a Video of a train service on the Severn Valley Railway the train service is called The "Pioneer" and my version of the "Pioneer" is a bit too big for my Station halt so some of the passengers will have to walk down to the other end of the Carriages just to get off onto the platform and the carriages are sat waiting for a diesel double header one the diesels is going to be a Class 33 and another TH-camr told that if I get a Lima class 33 he recommends that I get a Lima class 52 western and I thinking about getting either a Lima or a Hornby BR blue Class 50 to couple to the back of the train to assist the class 33 and class 52 double header also if I wanted to I could swap the class 33 with class 50 and have a class 50 double heading with the class 52 western and the class 33 will act as the Banking Locomotive or I could triple head them "NOW THAT WOULD BE A SIGHT A CLASS 52 AND A CLASS 50 DOUBLE HEADING OR THE CLASS 52 WESTERN AND CLASS 50 AND THE CLASS 33 TRIPLE HEADING THAT'S AN EVEN BETTER SIGHT TO SEE JUST THINK OF THE SOUND THE THREE DIESEL LOCOMOTIVES WOULD MAKE AS THEY HURTLE TOWARDS YOU AT 100 MPH PULLING SEVERAL HUNDRED TONS BEHIND THEM" . And I know some of you out there who are die-hard train enthusiasts will disagree with me that Diesel locomotives are just as stunning as the Steam locomotive and I'm probably going to get hate comments but I personally think that Diesel locomotives Deserve a place in the worlds most beautiful and Best locomotive that were ever made. In my opinion I would put the Steam locomotive and the Diesel locomotives in first place a I agree that others are entitled to their own opinion so Feel free to disagree with me and if you are going to send me a hate comment please DO NOT comment death threats or anything that is seen as Anti social behaviour because I will either delete your comment or I will block your or I will report your comments cheers. Lewis 👍
Its probably been thrashed