[Vinesauce] Vinny - Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord
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"Maybe this game has more historical significance than I realize" He has absolutely no idea
Every JRPG you like was inspired by this and Ultima Vinny. Every single one
Vinny talking about how there's no way to inspect the characters, while the button is on screen, and is one of only four buttons, was a particularly painful blind.
If this was streamed, we could have told him he was vine-blinding the spyglass icon to detect traps on a chest before trying to disarm them.
he hovered over it with the mouse almost every single time too, WHILE TALKING ABOUT how he wishes there was some way to know if it was trapped.....
Thankfully its here where no helpers can ruin it for him/us. Nothing worse than chat helpers.
It's so weird. With the options screen, he shows curiosity and investigates what all the buttons do, and actually, like, reads things. With his eyes. So it's not like he's not capable of doing that. He *could* have had an inkling of curiosity and asked himself "hey what does the button on the left do?" The bizarre vine-blindness seems to be caused by closed-mindedness. He seemingly made up his mind that the chests suck, and gave up on investigating further.
@@Krackerjax
You sure? He was ruining the experience for himself for not using his eyes to see the option “inspect chest” then complaining about the disarm mechanic
The style of dungeon crawler with clickable environments and real-time combat that Grimrock games represent, was popularized by a game called Dungeon Master in 1987, so quite a long time after Wizardry 1's release. Westwood Studios made few games like that back in the early 90s, mainly the Eye of the Beholder series and the Lands of Lore game which was voice acted by Patrick Stewart.
lands of lore was fucking sick, I member that one
Dungeon Master kicked ass. I liked the sequel, too, although I'm in a minority there.
Eye of the Beholder is hella good
My initiation into those kind of games was Eye of the Beholder. Personally I think Wizardry's turn based combat is better than the real time CRPG's. If I want realtime, it better be an action RPG with good combat. For these CRPG's I prefer a more thoughtful turn based and tactical combat.
Vinny blinding every single chance to inspect chests for traps is peak Vinesauce lol
Wow, I did not expect him to play this. For those who don't know, Wizardry was HUGE (like, REALLY FUCKING HUGE) in Japan and it was an enormous influence on JRPGs. The series even continued on in Japan after they stopped making them here, not to mention all the spiritual successors, like games by Experience, The Dark Spire and even Etrian Odyssey.
Anyway, it's a 1981 game, it's extremely hardcore, and this remake is apparently very faithful, so do NOT jump into a game like this thinking "apparently this game is good, let's try it", expecting to enjoy it like you would a modern game. You really have to know what you're dealing with here, and you have to be interested in exploring what can essentially be described as the game that started it all. If you're a clueless gamer looking for something new to play, this is NOT the game for you.
There's lots of fun to be had playing this game. Do not misconstrue this as me saying that this game isn't actually fun and is only interesting as a historical relic. All I'm saying is that unless this game is beckoning you, you will not get it, and you'll be disappointed.
Yeah I was surprised to find a number of these games getting ported to consoles like Saturn and PS1 with really nicely upgraded graphics and even options to play with wireframe if you felt like it.
PS: How huge was Wizardry in Japan? Well, look at the Japanese Steam reviews for this game. They almost rival the amount of English reviews. Steam isn't as popular in Japan as it is here, and this game literally does NOT even have a Japanese language option.
Gameplay looks pretty fun. Kinda reminds me of the older Shin Megami Tensei games in a way
Don't forget that the creators were among the very first Americans to import and bring subtitled anime overseas. Wizardry itself also got an anime ova in the late 80's. It's not hyperbolic to say that the NES port of this game was most Japanese players very first exposure to western high fantasy, and the specific elements and tropes from this game series, such as slimes being the weakest enemy, can STILL be seen in modern Japanese RPG and fantasy works. Look at Konosuba for instance, so many direct references to this game ironically go over most western viewers heads, even though it references a western game, but would be obvious to any Japanese viewer(ex. Explosion/Nuclear blast as the strongest spell, sleeping in the stables, the character literally named Wiz.)
Always found it kind of strange that this game is so influential on both western and Japanese RPG's and yet it is extremely niche over here and basically venerated as the OG in japan. Hell, before this remake came out, the best version of this game was the japan only PS1 collection of 1-3, it even was playable in english by default.
Etrian Odyssey my beloved
Between this and the Etrian Odyssey HD Collection, I'm hoping so hard the dungeon crawler genre makes a comeback
Love that OG version running at the same time. Neat.
If you were waiting for Vinny to inspect chests before disarming them, I have some disappointing news for you.
Thanks, I was scrolling to see if I should give up on that. :P
2:56 - This game is the reason we have modern RPGs on PC and console today. There were attempts before this, but this was the game that really showed that it could be done.
Fun fact this game inspired Dragon Quest I, like the Granddad of JRPGS. Its were the battle system came from.
Also this series spawned 8 squeals up to 2001
Eek! Eek! Eek! Eek! Eek! Eek! Eek! Eek!
- The eight squeals
@@Leetgrain i can never spell that world im sorry XD
Ye. Wizardry and Ultima has had an impact on the creation of jrpgs.
@@tjlnintendo Ultima didn't make it to Japan until several years later.
@@MistyKathrine
I mean… its still possible for the developers to hear about it and still play it.
If I may suggest (to anyone): Wizardry: Tale of the Forsaken Land on the PS2 is a great entry with incredible character/creature design by Katsuya Terada. You don't want to miss that!! It's closer to this, simpler, than supreme game Wizardry 8, which may be a little daunting (that should be played in your lifetime eventually)(and it has items on the ground to find, Vin ;) ).
Another remake option is the fan translated Wizardry I-II-III: Story of Llylgamyn on the SNES. That's right the whole first trilogy!
Future games have more race choices (DRAGONS!!).
Fact that I've fixed Wizardry I-II-III SNES translation patch
@@Gamerhenky Thanks for the work! 👍👍👍
Take a shot every time Vinny hovers over "Inspect Chest" but doesn't click it. You will need to be rushed to the hospital.
Holy shit I had no idea this existed and I'm instantly ultra-hyped for it. I wasn't alive in '81 (born in '88), but growing up Wizardry was one of my favorite games, as brutal as it was. We only had an Apple II because it was my mom's for work, and I'd steal it as soon as I could to play this. Definitely buying this now, thanks Vin for being enough of an old man to notify me this existed.
hah, get a load'a this nerd and his wizard games, fellas!
This guy really wants to be a frog. Think about that.
Binty. Wy u plei weezard gaems? Y u no shüt...
Vinny not inspecting any of the chests is why there's no vinny plays dnd series.
I did not expect to see Wizardry appear in a Vinesauce thumbnail.
Definitely play Wizardry 8. It's the most fun in the series, but is very different. It has full 3d movement, etc. "modernized" but 23 years ago
The combat in Wiz 8 is one of the best rpg combats imo. Super challenging but fun.
Never thought I'd see the day where Vinny played Wizardry.
Ultima when?
I wish someone sould just buy the Ultima rights and made a soft remaster of 3, 4 and 5.
@@Noobirus Have you heard of Moonring? It's like a spiritual successor to the old Ultima games.
@@jimmyhirr5773 Yeah, I've seen it, but still - it's not Ultima.
I just think the granddaddy of cRPGs should have some sort of working, modern collection on Steam. Just like Square has made the Final Fantasy Pixel Remastrers.
Vinny was having a proper Reddit Moment™️ with the trapped chests
Make no attempt whatsoever to understand the (quite simple) mechanic, just complain about it being poorly designed
Vinny talks out of his ass about a classic game for an hour.
Cocksmith is straight-up the best fantasy character name I've ever heard
Had NO idea they had remade Wizardry 1. Feels like this dropped out of nowhere, at least to me.
To add to what others have said, Wizardry along with games like Temple of Apshai and Akalabeth: World of Doom (and Ultima soon after) are the founding fathers of the computer RPG genre. Role-playing video games as we know them wouldn't exist without them. (I think it's also right and fair to name drop Might & Magic and The Bard's Tale despite those series coming a few years later).
I hope that this remake gets more people interested in the history of role-playing video games. JRPGs have kind of overshadowed it in the popular conscience, which is a shame. Not knocking them by any means, but I'm sure even the devs of the earliest JRPGs would want you to know your roots and learn about what inspired them to make the games that they made.
Japan grew up with it. It's why we have JRPGs.
I LOVE WIZARDRY!!! it's a shame nobody knows about it. Wizardry 8 is a fantastic game
Wizardry 8's player character vouce acting alone is amazing.
Sseth's review of it shows off some of the best examples.
I really enjoy the PS2 game, AFAIK that didn't release on anything else and I wish I had access to it still.
I'm mid 40's and watch your stuff... the Zelda II fan remake is what got me to sub. :)
But I didn't have an Apple II, I was a Commodore kid...
The original graphic dungeon crawler. . . Wow, this brings back childhood memories. . .
I'll give it to them, this is a nice looking game.
I'd also take this opportunity to preach the word of my favorite dungeon crawler: Etrian Odyssey, refined combat, fun team building and a great mechanics for exploration
🤦♀️Vinny...
Nothing about this game can be considered "generic fantasy" by definition. This - and Ultima I - were THE very first fantasy videogames. There wasn't an established genre from which to pull stock concepts yet. What it was, in 1981, was groundbreaking. Monumental even.
Dungeons & Dragons had already existed for 10 years when this game came out, which itself was based on pulp fantasy stories from decades prior to that. These game's MECHANICS aren't original, let alone their settings. You absolutely could've called Wizardry a "generic fantasy setting" in 1981, especially compared to Ultima.
@@holylolydiver The settings, I'll grant you. The mechanics were targeted toward a very small, very niche audience; the exact audience ready to make that leap forward from pencil and paper into video games. Which were what I was actually talking about.
And Gariott released Ultima a whole entire year prior to Wizardry. You can split and torture a hair until it fits your argument as much as you please, but it's quite obvious that's what you're doing.
There are an endless number of first person dungeon crawlers, modern and high quality as well. The genre has never gone anywhere.
You just have to be not allergic to (non-Nintendo) anime.
This is the kinda remake I’m all for, a true classic treated with respect and widely available again. I’ve always wanted to try the series as a huge JRPG fan and now I can play the very first game
me, an ultima player, predicted that
1- vinny would blind plenty of things
2- he would expect grimrock stuff from the game that inspired the games that inspired grimrock
7:01 - Labyrinth of Refrain and Labyrinth of Galleria! Two of the best first person dungeon crawlers that I have ever played.
"Egh..."
- Arlo the Elf Bishop
Wow, I had no idea this had gotten another remake. I played the Japanese remake on PS1 and was surprised how fun it was, despite the insano 1980s difficulty which was mostly preserved in that version. If anyone wants to play that version, it has a built in English translation iirc.
Wi ar wizurdsss
We wuz weezart
we luv castin spelz
holy moley, Vinny playing a Wizardry game?
If you want an old classic...Wizardry 8 is an incredible game that is a contemporary of Morrowind. It has that same "First Person" feel, but not on a grid - fully 360 degree movement
Getting sent back almost a literal decade seeing Vinny play another Grimrock like
This is the original game that started them all (albeit remade)
I like these videos we get to hear his voice without chat distracting him
The soundtrack is this perfect blend of cheesy and epic, it's great.
6:53 Well, there's Vaporum, which is basically Grimrock, but steampunk/Bioshock themed, and you're solo.
Grimrock Shock.
Vinny you need to understand, if Wizardry never existed you would have NEVER gotten Crono Trigger ever in this lifetime. It helped built the foundation of all modern RPGs that have existed, so if this game never came out with its concepts then almost every video game that has come out will be straight up boring. RPGs had a lot of mechanics that were influential to many genres. One of them was story.
this is THE rpg that brought the genre to Japan
Cant wait for that return of werdna playthrough
Wizardry inspired the first Dragon Quest, which became the template for JRPGs as a genre.
Wizardry 8 is one of my favorite games. And I usually hate the fantasy genre, but it was so beautiful at the time and so open. I've also learned a lot about game design philosophy from its designer, Brenda Romero. Maybe someday when the IP rights are sorted we can get a 9. Maybe.
Enjoying Vinny checking out these oldschool RPGs
this was like whiplash to see, my dad was obsessed with this game & I barely remember watching him play
I was 11 or 12. I played it then and Im in love with it now. I hope they do the whole series and can't wait for the updates. I am not alone and it's not nostalgia. The mechanics are great, and its a hardcore game. I'm hooked now again. lol
i remember when vinny played grimrock, this is like a blast from the near past.
Didn't know this existed. This is excellent. A lot of the old games, while having a charm of their own, could do with a remaster or a remake while sticking to the core mechanics of the game. We have such better hardware and software engines now (along with programming and game development refinements over the years) that can make these games shine without its previous limitations.
This is great. The old school UI on the lower right is novel and a wonderful artistic creation.
Inspect. the. chests 😩
Vinny, why tf did you not inspect a single chest and then complain that you wish there was a way to know what kind of trap it has? What do you think the inspect chest button is for? 😂
Holy shit he played RPG the game, i never really got in to wizardly but i played a little of the dark spire with is just like this game but more forgiving, this game was like HUGE on japan and you can see the influences on animes and games and stuff
holy shit someone mentioned the dark spire in 2024
Dark Spire has a banger soundtrack
Dark spire is amazing just a shame i got lost in the 4 or 5 floor
A better modern entry into this series is Wizardry: Tales of a Forsaken Land for the PS2. Easy to emulate. I played through that game from start to finish twice. It's so good. It's got a fun mechanic where your team can do team attacks like in Chrono Trigger, where it uses both characters action, but it does more damage or hits a wide area or does a status effect. It's very fun and tactically deep.
Vibby should try Wizardry 8 just to compare them
vineBlind
Never in my life did I expect to see a Wizardry game on the Skibardry channel. Trebor sux
As I was typing out a comment about to suggest Vaporum, he mentioned it in the video, lol. I played both Vaporum 1 and 2 recently, and they were great games that scratched the Grimrock itch since they play *exactly* like Grimrock, except you play as a single character, and you do have the option for a "turn-based" mode where the game will wait on your inputs and give you some time to think. The game is set in a very Bioshock-like steampunk setting, but otherwise you'd probably confuse them as spiritual sequels to Grimrock.
Vinny, you should give them another shot, I think you'd like them if you're in the mood to play Grimrock. They're by no means perfect games, but I felt like they're worth the time.
This is now officially the second game I've ever seen where an enemy is a capybara...
SNES version is still my favorite version of Wiz1; this is nice though.
22:03 for future reference
He needs to find the Murphy's Ghost 👻
Wizards
You ar wyzardyr, Vinby
totally forgot 1 was getting remaded. i was never a big fan of sir-tech's wizardry games in comparison to racjin's wizardry games, but now that i'm a grown ass man, i'm willing to give it a shot. too bad this will most likely get overshadowed by the plethora of rpgs releasing the in following weeks lol
off topic but nice pic, doku is a weird go to gym song for me lmao
Aside from hideously ugly character portraits the game is as fun as i remember it
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Classic RPG series 😁🤗🤗😀
Wow, had no idea Etrian Odyssey took so much inspiration from this game.
oh wow I recently was interested on Wizardry since it's one of the inspirations for dungeon meshi so this is perfect timing
This game looks awesome. I just finished Grimrock 1 and really loved it, and will probably play 2 and check this out. I can't believe I've never touched a grid based dungeon crawler until now
Yes, but can we have a CBT Wizardry episode?
Binmi, please
Man dungeon crawlers are so good i wish there was more games like them
this is an exact port of the OG game, just got the pimp my ride treatment is all........what did u expect from the 1st video games ever made!? I dunno but i'm enjoying it now as much as back then, but this time around like in disbelife this was remade so beautifully.......I can't put it down, i'm in AWE playing this lol!!!
I can't remember if it was based of 1e or 2e ADnD....one of the two though for sure......so yeah, it's a fking old game jeje
FYI fellas....u can always "INSPECT" chest 1st, to determin if it's trapped or not and what trsap is set on it, for if so, u can disarm the correct trap.......just saying.....BUAHAHAHAHAHA
"It's a historical PISS" well you don't have to be so mean vinny, we know its a simple game.
Is this coming on the Switch? I like to play games like this on the go or just chill. For now, games from Experience devs to satisfy me. God someone should bring back the forsaken land and the sequel to life and make new ones with that style and gameplay.
Ah, yet another Melpert Classic.
I physically cringed when he said he didn't know if there were sequels. Not knowing about Wizardry? Fake gamer confirmed.
The pricing of this game and the dlc sure is something
Rare example of Vinny being too young for a game
I'd like to see him return to this and figure it out if he hasn't already refunded it. This seems like one of those games where you only scratch the surface in the first hour. Compared to Grimrock, Grimrock seems more like a first person Mystery Dungeon game so maybe try that genre. There's also Etrian Odyssey which has the grid movement and turn-based battles like this but more a interactive environment, it's just VERY anime.
I was born in 1980 but I didn't play any Wizardry until the game Wizardry 5: Heart of the maelstrom for the SNES. I love the series but it's not great streaming material. Wizardry is a grindfest with a death mechanic more punishing than any Dark Souls game. Your party dies on level 7 of the dungeon. Make a new party, level them up as long as the first party, take them to the dungeon, find the corpses of the first party, recover them, pay the huge fee to ressurect them at the temple. Congrats now you have 2 parties.
None of the wiz games are that grindy if you build a good party, depending on if ambush is available or not 3 mages or 1 thief and 2 mages should be more than enough to clear up to floor 9 with no issues. You can also go for creeping coins on floor 2 which give 1500-2000 exp per encounter instantly shooting you up to 5 in a matter of minutes. If you're playing JP KoD or legacy you can find coins on floors 1.
Why'd he play a difficult RPG off-stream lol
I wish the first few Ultima games got the same treatment
This game is clearly really good but this is excruciating
I'd recommend The Quest if you're jonesing for more "modern" fps grid base rpgs.
I got The Quest years and years ago and it's still one of the most enjoyable games I've ever played on my phone. There were a ton of DLC's or extra stories made for it too that I never tried.
I never played the original Wizardry game, but as someone born in 1990 I feel really lucky that my parents were friends with someone who had access to all kinds of DOS games and let my brother and I have them. Thanks to that I did get to enjoy a lot of great dungeon crawlers, CRPG's, and generally strange games. I was actually thinking of installing Lands of Lore or a Might and Magic game earlier today.
hope they do this with return of werdna
this game reminds me of etrian odyssey
Vinnycore game
Oh boy, I would love to see you check out the Ravenloft Strahd's Possession and other goldbox games if you ever want some vintage dnd dungeon crawling with horrible mouse controls lol
Wizardry 4 next
I wish Vinny would play more Legend of Grimrock 2. The Guardians mod is even better than the base game.
Vinny, why don't you play Return to Zork or even better Zork Nemesis. Wasn't much into Grand Inquisitor, but I wish someone would re make all these and put them on a ps 5 disc w/real time graphics for the Nemesis and the Inquisitor game.
HOLY SHIT THIS GAME IS REMADE AND I DIDNT KNOW???
Why are all the default characters black?
Based lizard enjoyer
WE
I was very interested in this game, as I am old enough to have played the original back in the day. But this looks SO repetitious. And the same walls and floor throughout the game? I'll wait to a deep sale.
This looks tedious af now but in the early '80s I would have thought this was amazing. Nostalgia is a lie, thank God for modern gaming.