One small suggestion, in videos like this, show what you typed into the stores (amazons) searchbar, so the viewer have a better idea how the suggestions vary. So e.g. if you typed in pc Power supply, Modular PC Power Supply or 650W power supply. Because for my its not clear if the bigger power supply is just because the system doesn't need as much and it just the go to wattage or if you git suggested a bigger one then you searched for. Same thing for the higher end motherboard.
@@tim_mueller nice proposal. I think I remember in the previous one they said they put in as small a search query as logical + compatible (eg "CPU", "GPU", "AM5 motherboard") although I haven't gone back to see it plus I don't know if it would be quite so clear on the PSU wattage difference that you bring up.
Probably but that's an assumption and most viewers would prefer actually seeing the term they used eg for a storage drive did they type SSD,storage,HDD,1tb etc all these could have different results or suggestions@@slendydie1267
Unfortunately still riddled with beginner mistakes as for that money one can easily get ahold of a 7600 + 7800 XT combo with 2tb of storage and other goodies for the sake of it, just look at the pcpartpicker list/2CHd6Q
There's nothing wrong with sourcing some (or all?) parts from them. Though IMO maingear (seems to?) do a good job with builds, it's all off the shelf parts. Hell I got a email saying they tested intels latest attempt to remove the oven and glave DLC from my CPU and that the new microcode is good. They did a stress test and found the MOBO I picked sucked and gave a discount. Not chilling at all! the case itself is meh (kind of jank to be honest). lol well I mean, just for sourcing parts: they beat out neweg, and who ever is left in the custom PC parts space.
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I love how the Labs site has come along. Recently needed to compare some cards and the Labs site had by far the best in-depth coverage on the cards I was looking into. I'm really looking forward to where this is going, and in the end good media coverage is what will lead to people making better choices than what Amazon recommends them. Even as a techy person not being deceived by tech companies can be hard.
I don't know what it is but whenever I'm mad at someone or something or just frustrated watching Linus building a pc and educating me at the same time it feels comforting
yes, i get very overloaded by noise, little kids yelling, traffic, work .... at night i really love to just chill out and watch a bit of linus before i boot up some nice games :)
A good tip here: add commas when giving contrast. Here it should be "frustrated, watching", as it allows the reader to realize that you are talking about something else
The SSD is the overall choice because not all pcs support nvme. There are people with old computers who want to throw in a ssd to just that faster boot time. I actually bought 4 sata ssds for all my computers in my office.
@@noredine It is quite tolerable if you use use linux and disable fsync. You often will barely be able to tell the difference between HDD and SSD (provided you have a decent ammount of free RAM). The effectiveness of the RAM caching Linux does when you prevent forced disk waits is absolutly mindblowing. It's not really worth the increased risk of data loss tho, as ssd are priced quite competetively these days.
The "overall pick" is for most selling for specific search term you searched and "best seller" is given to most consistent selling product in the category.
maybe im crazy but if the methodology for selecting the SSD was searching "SSD" on amazon. I would expect a 2.5" SATA SSD every time. Maybe this is just me being old fashioned but "SSD" without "NVMe" preceding it always means that SATA form factor.
@@vera9230 I searched SSD in my Amazon search engine and the top 3 results were a *sponsored* Lexar external SSD, a *sponsored* nvme KingSpec SSD, and an *overall pick* Samsung 980 Pro 2TB. I’ve only ever used Samsung SSDs so I’m convinced we have different search algorithms. Mind you a SATA only showed up in my search after the 8th m.2 and after “customers frequently viewed” and “Black Friday deals” horizontal ads.
I agree, but I'm also confused why their overall pick was a sata ssd. I went to go search for myself both in my main account and in a private window, and the Samsung 980 pro appeared for me both times. I wonder if the sata ssd at the time of filming and procurement was that crucial sata ssd. I'd like to see some extra information on what and when they searched in these videos.
@@smallbutdeadly931 There's a cross over with the slow mo guys where Edzel really whacked Linus one. It was spectacular and the look from Linus was totally "I said hit me, not HIT me"
Well something in "defense" of the amazon picks. I think that these encompass more than just "wanting to build a new PC"? Of course SATA SSDs or even a one generation (good new market value) will be more popular than the newest/most up-to-date components. These are more typical upgrade parts&paths for existing older machines. Just due to comparability reasons or possible "over-budgeting" in terms of performance, meaning bottle necking. But please correct me if I am wrong here in my analysis! :)
I heavily agree with this. i thinks NVME came around 2016 ish, some PC's from 2012 will probably have that extra sata slot for an older SSD, i mean, if you are on your work PC that is only ever used for some excel, e-mail reading and some calls, i'd say it's a really great upgrading from a HDD to an SSD
I'd imagine you could be buying more SATA SSDs than NVME drives too. I have an NVME, but I also have a SATA, and I'm thinking about adding another. But I can't add a second NVME with my current motherboard.
Hi, MSI Tomahawk x670e Wifi owner here. The SSD issue comes with some of the newer BIOS updates. Lower BIOS versions don't have that issue. I have an WD SSD and had to downgrade my BIOS. Now it works fine.
4:23 I can confirm, Corsair support when it comes to RAM is excellent. Bought my brother a kit of 32GB for Christmas a few years back then it started spitting out memory errors after two years of use. After confirming my order, the pin number of the kit, and sharing the results of a memtest they sent me a replacement kit.
@@victorkreig6089 Ahh yes, people have been editing for over a decade and still leave in amature mistakes that can be resolved in 30 seconds with free software.
The crucial ssd makes sense, theyre cheap enough for people to upgrade their old laptop and get a decent performance boost. Ive installed at least a hundred of them at this point
This video is why spending even just 15 minutes on the Tom's Hardware GPU Benchmarks Hierarchy page is worth it when doing a cursory search for a new graphics card. The RTX 3060 12GB was a great choice 2 or 3 years ago when it came out based on performance and VRAM amount, but really as of about a year ago, there are better options on the market depending on price and performance preferences if one looks a little bit.
I built a pc last Black Friday from Amazon for around 1200-1300 including mouse, keyboard, two monitors, and a mouse pad. Brand new pc, no used parts and I am able to run any game I want just fine. You don’t have to go crazy to get a good setup
12GB is the default first released version. 8GB came out few months later and was criticised for not only having 4GB less VRAM with the same name, but also being slower.
Make sure you watch a lot of good building videos first to not miss something stupid and damage something. No metal bits touching the back of the motherboard once powered on, etc.
92... Its how the 7000 series performs when under full utilisation. Its actually fine and designed to run like that. The other one isn't running that hot as its not beeing driven as hard due to GPU bottleneck.
noticed that too, but then i realized its a 7700x, they are hot & go pretty much "up to 95°c(+-2°)" with their boost clock. he also had a much better gpu so linus card bottlenecked so hard the cpu doing basically nothing
I don't care if they CAN run that hot or not, I don't want my cpu 93c ish. My R5 7600x always stays under 60c while gaming (granted I have a decent 360m AIO)
It makes sense for that SSD form factor to be recommended. I assume most people buying an SSD from Amazon are buying it as an upgrade for their existing systems and might not have an M.2 slot free. It was the case with my ITX build.
Nice video and also nice suggestions from Amazon. Really appreciate the call outs to details like the PSU differece. I think it shows some extra attention to detail which is a big improvement over the pre-production-halt LTT. Keep it up!
Guys.. Come on :) 1. Ploof's CPU was at 96-97C the whole time 2. 4000D and H5 Flow both come with only 2x 120mm case fans. For proper build advice accuracy including a few more case fans in calculation and build would seem only appropriate
@@MTGeomancer what's even more tiring is people, who think they know better, are condescending and arrogant towards others. 96C at 50% utilisation in gaming is NOT normal even for an overclocked 7700X.
Educate yourself: "AMD Zen 4 and Zen 5 CPUs have their thermal target set to 95°C, which means the CPU will boost as much as it can, until it reaches that point, to maximize performance. Unlike on Intel, on AMD it's not possible to increase the 95°C limit."
@@LordManhattan LOL If you CPU hits 93C @45% load it will throttle under full load. It might already do. Just because the part is save to use at that temperature does not mean you should. It will boost less, therefore perform worse and shorten the lifespan of the part.
Yeah literally at 97°C a few seconds later and downclocking below 4.9 Ghz. They fucked up the mount of the cooler I guess, because the other one is running 40°C cooler on the same Aircooler.
The sata drive is probably recommended since you can always slap a sata SSD in a old laptop and make it feel faster. It's also a good storage upgrade for consoles like ps3s and ps4. Many people still rock older hardware and a ssd is always a good upgrade.
@@connor040606 for a smaller company that's not buying massive volumes, retail can be cheaper than direct wholesale. And probably also faster and more flexible.
I have to agree. They cover a range of prices, generally with pretty consistent quality. And, as Linus mentioned in the video, their support is at very least solid. They're a brand I usually have little qualms with buying for my PC
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The channels are on hiatus as addressed by Linus and Luke on WAN show. Speculation is those channels weren't seeing much viewership and it just wasn't worth keeping them going and some staff were let go. We know Jonathan Horst isn't with LTT anymore, though the LTT folks have a policy against talking about personnel changes so that can't/won't address questions related to that.
Seeing so many parts I used in my personal home build I built just over a year ago is really cool lmao! Same CPU, same PSU (thank you for using the shift lol), and the same RAM! Interested in the next RAM video though, would be nice to know if I need to change something.
Hey. That's the corsair case I'm currently using! It's neat to see something I personally use in one of these videos even if it's just a case. It's decent.
My guess is that the Crucial SSD is the 'Overall Pick' because it's often used in storage solutions where multiple drives are added. This makes it more likely to be sold in larger quantities per order compared to M.2 drives, which are usually bought one at a time for specific builds.
8:22 if your item has any sort of failure within it’s warranty period you just need to contact Amazons customer support and they will create a return for you
Amazon customer support has gone to complete and total crap in recent years, to the point of being one of the worst (if not the worst). Do not even get me started on talking about the long and arduous process I had to go through to get refunded on a return that they admitted from the start was their fault.
While I can understand the complaints about the ssd being sata, personally I can only sing praises of the BX500. We use it at work in almost every modern machine, and that is heavy industrial 24/7 use with high temps and sometimes permanent reading and writing. We had no DOAs so far and some have been even running for just about 6 years now without problems.
4:50 Yes if you have a M2 Slot available, but if not they are the best. I got three 4TB drives, two in my Gaming PC as Storage and one in my Home Server for VMs.
I think he means for less techy first time builders. It’s much simpler to install and easier to manage. If you want 12TB of storage and are an experienced builder you’re probably gonna mix and match all sorts of drives.
tbh that the sata was the top choice makes sense, if you make a pc you start with a m2 most of the time so when you need more space its easier to just dump a sata than to get another m2 and cloning the windows, so lets say for each pc you get a m2 and 2 ssd, add to that if someone makes a server or something like that and boom
0:12 I hate when people use a sound that is or is so close to the Iphone notification sound... But maybe Apple should have made it more distinguishable...
Overall Pick makes a lot more sense outside of building a PC. It did a respectable job for the information it has. Amazon doesn't know your budget or use case. Is the pc strictly for gaming. Are you gaming at 1080p? What kinds of games will you be playing? You see the difference in these PCs because of the games they tested with. But if someone is going to play games like Civ 5 and RTS games, then the builder might want to lean more on the CPU side.
this is normal for ryzen 7000 series at full load, they can handle it. Though if you undervolt via PBO in BIOS and then set a temp limit to 80 degrees you can push the same max clock speeds at 80 compared to the default 95 degree limit
Something important to remember about Amazon suggestions is they're based on generalized feedback, not feedback geared towards an overall PC build. That motherboard that wasn't as feature rich makes more sense, but consumers sometimes go for features they don't need or Amazon may have a just be pushing for the product that's overall going to fit everyone's needs (this may also be skewed by users buying a mobo with less features then returning it because they didn't read the description vs a mobo with too many features that satisfies everyone). It won't be the perfect PC, but it seemed to make a solid all around pick. Now if Amazon would just stop selling open-box/used as brand new, they'd be a solid pick since Newegg has been scamming people for a while now. Weird to think Best Buy is still the most trustworthy option all considered, esp given how sketchy their Geek Squad is.
Especially for the SSD Amazon's choice makes sense. If you don't specify NVME or SATA, the default should be SATA, because Amazon doesn't know if you want to use this in a new build, or to replace an old spinning hard drive in an existing system, which may not have a M.2 slot available.
1100 is good for a brand new pc, but on second hand market i was able to snatch a i5-12600k with a 3090 and 32gb ram 6000mhz, 1000W psu from corsair, and some kingspec nvme with 7gb/s, that was such a great deal! Seeing the prices outside Romania that is insane!
i dont think its that hard just go onto a message board post your budget and what your looking to do with it and if you need stuff (IE monitor mouse keyboard speakers) and people are hyper competitive about building PCs so they will usually get you the best bang for your buck. the hardest thing about that process is knowing to ask and having the basic sensibilities to know what to ask for/lay down the parameters. Been building my PCs for years doing this and gotta say thank you to the internet people out there that help with builds yall are awesome.
It would be cool if you did stuff like this based on other countries too and made them go against each other, like america vs canada vs uk, which overall pick is the best etc...
Also I don’t want a compensator build, but what is the ‘Kinda over doing it’ build rn? I refresh every 4-5 years and always overbuild without going meme-build. What’s a well put together 5090TI build ‘Im a Gamer, 3D Artist, AI Training, Unreal Editing, Video editing, Programming generalist’ Whats your take on that ‘do it all, do it well’ build when you can’t outright start running servers in your house XD
Do note that with the 7700 XT, you should also have access to AFMF 2, which is basically AMD's Driver-level frame gen. It is actually pretty good, as it doesn't significantly reduce latency nor have that much artifacting. I even use it for some games on my 7900 XT when I need that extra little boost in frames to reach my monitor's refreshrate.
First off, great video. Secondly, is everyone else exclusively seeing Xfinity/Wicked ads on LTT videos? Saw a dozen during WAN show and this video opened with it. Not my experience on other channels and how much money are they spending?!
With Amazon recommending a SATA SSD, I think it's purely because most people buying storage are buying 'additional' storage rather than flat out always building an entirely new computer. A lot of motherboards can only support a single NVME, and older ones don't support any. And (speaking from experience) there is a nonzero amount of people who likely don't know what version of NVME their motherboard supports, so they pick the safe SATA option instead.
I had that motherboard with the BIOS-es since the beginning of june 2024. Had a 7800X3D in it, *never ever* did I have problems with my Samsung SSD 980 - 1TB drives (or Corsair and Lexar NVME's). The Samsung 980's were my 50GB+ games drives and one of them I used for generative AI. I haven't noticed boot-problems nor other type of problems. All the drives ran the latest FW on them too.
Honestly, the only issue with the Amazon PC is that the Nvidia 3060 is almost 300 dollars. It should be closer to 200. If it was 184.51 or even 200, the lower FPS would be no issue.
if you are going with a 3060 just opt for an Intel A770. I did an Intel 12900K build that came in at about $80.00 less. The other build was mostly due to the GPU card 7700xt which is about $100 more than the 3060 or the A770 and newer than either card
Lovely to see Plouffe's take on a system, however once I saw the specs it was quite disappointing after all. For reference, here'd be an arguably better list assuming you were to allow an item or two from newegg: - R5 7600 $179 - Thermalright Burst Assassin 120 SE $21 - MSI B650-S WiFi $130 (or the Gigabyte Eagle AX for $140) - DDR5-6000 CL36 Patriot Viper Venom 2x16 memory (!!Confirmed Hynix!! CL36 is not always bad) $74 - Silicon Power US75 (MAP1602 config) 2tb SSD $100 - ASRock Challenger OC 7800 XT $450 - Montech Air 1000 Premium $60 - Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 2024 $76 All this combined comes down to close/equal $1100 given current pricing on the market. If you had a microcenter nearby, a 7700X bundle with what usually would be a Gigabyte B650 Gaming AX V2 and G.Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000 Cl36 or so 2x16 GB kit for $400, it'd be around the same price maybe $10 more total and rock solid, arguably better value than what Plouffe or whoever was truly responsible ever managed
The SSD is clearly that popular for upgrading older systems. I bought multiple of them just to upgrade the PCs of my family, obviously they were ecstatic at the speed/responsiveness difference compared to a hard drive, especially with them being forced out of older Windows versions. My bet is that within 4 years, there'll be an NVMe drive in its place, after most HDD PCs will have been upgraded.
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One small suggestion, in videos like this, show what you typed into the stores (amazons) searchbar, so the viewer have a better idea how the suggestions vary. So e.g. if you typed in pc Power supply, Modular PC Power Supply or 650W power supply. Because for my its not clear if the bigger power supply is just because the system doesn't need as much and it just the go to wattage or if you git suggested a bigger one then you searched for. Same thing for the higher end motherboard.
@@tim_mueller nice proposal. I think I remember in the previous one they said they put in as small a search query as logical + compatible (eg "CPU", "GPU", "AM5 motherboard") although I haven't gone back to see it plus I don't know if it would be quite so clear on the PSU wattage difference that you bring up.
they probably search the general term "motherbaord" and pick whatever pops up
Probably but that's an assumption and most viewers would prefer actually seeing the term they used eg for a storage drive did they type SSD,storage,HDD,1tb etc all these could have different results or suggestions@@slendydie1267
@@slendydie1267 I wonder what they did for storage though? "Computer storage"? "SSD"? "Hard drive"?
English... Do you speak it?
i just wanna thank Plouffe for adding the other PC it really helps people who are actually looking to use amazon to build a PC
Unfortunately still riddled with beginner mistakes as for that money one can easily get ahold of a 7600 + 7800 XT combo with 2tb of storage and other goodies
for the sake of it, just look at the pcpartpicker list/2CHd6Q
I think it's more the question of, Why would anyone use Amazon for a PC build, if they know what they are doing, enough to build one?
@@Thurgosh_OG if i had to throw a guess out, probably the convenience of having a one stop shop.
There's nothing wrong with sourcing some (or all?) parts from them. Though IMO maingear (seems to?) do a good job with builds, it's all off the shelf parts. Hell I got a email saying they tested intels latest attempt to remove the oven and glave DLC from my CPU and that the new microcode is good. They did a stress test and found the MOBO I picked sucked and gave a discount. Not chilling at all! the case itself is meh (kind of jank to be honest). lol well I mean, just for sourcing parts: they beat out neweg, and who ever is left in the custom PC parts space.
This should be fun. We all know that recommendations aren’t at all influenced by anything at all! Ever!
guys dont use cheap ram on amd (high boot time,hang) ,amd need best ram, AMD SPECIAL RAM like =
GEIL ORION V AMD Edition 6000mhz
gskill royal neo z5 6000mhz cl28 (amd edition)
@@raminpro9765what are you?
@@raminpro9765 aMd SpEcIaL rAm
@@itsmealextheme6259 userbenchmarks' evil twin
@@raminpro9765 why not 8000mhz?
I love how the Labs site has come along. Recently needed to compare some cards and the Labs site had by far the best in-depth coverage on the cards I was looking into. I'm really looking forward to where this is going, and in the end good media coverage is what will lead to people making better choices than what Amazon recommends them. Even as a techy person not being deceived by tech companies can be hard.
Especially with how bad naming schemes have gotten
@@Maverick842 your reply unearthed painful experiences
Damn I just checked it out - it's come so far, the graphs are so nice to read
I don't know what it is but whenever I'm mad at someone or something or just frustrated watching Linus building a pc and educating me at the same time it feels comforting
yes, i get very overloaded by noise, little kids yelling, traffic, work .... at night i really love to just chill out and watch a bit of linus before i boot up some nice games :)
A good tip here: add commas when giving contrast. Here it should be "frustrated, watching", as it allows the reader to realize that you are talking about something else
@@dhruvchackravarthi8960 it's "let's eat grandpa!" vs "let's eat, grandpa!" all over again.
@@gehtdinichtsan309 exactly
The SSD is the overall choice because not all pcs support nvme. There are people with old computers who want to throw in a ssd to just that faster boot time. I actually bought 4 sata ssds for all my computers in my office.
or secondary SSDs. also, good choice, OS disk needs to be SSD at least, especially for windows 10/11, using HDD on those is torture
@@noredine It is quite tolerable if you use use linux and disable fsync. You often will barely be able to tell the difference between HDD and SSD (provided you have a decent ammount of free RAM). The effectiveness of the RAM caching Linux does when you prevent forced disk waits is absolutly mindblowing.
It's not really worth the increased risk of data loss tho, as ssd are priced quite competetively these days.
Am I the only one that can' tell a huge difference in boot time from a hard drive vs SSD. now my nvme drive on the other hand is a rocket.
This segue really had a nice bonk to it!
I genuinely thought it's spelt segway
linus' programming was broken so a soft reboot was in order
@@2810Mad same
I know right. And the second one absolutely slaps...
Have to give props for Linus keeping sponsor bits fresh even after a decade . Crazy creative dude for sure.
He does have lots of writers helping him but the compliment still stays
2:52 X670E tomahawk owner here, i have both a 990 pro and a WD Black SN850X never ran into any issues with both SSDs in my motherboard
I have a SN850X in mine and it'll disappear every few days, even on the latest BIOS firmware. The only fix was to restart Windows.
I also have both sn750 tb and 2 990pro 2 tb and never ran into any issue too
Same mother board and same. Also, just bought a 4TB 990 pro on Amazon so I'm not worry
tomahawk tuah
For the love of god don't use WD, like EVER.
The "overall pick" is for most selling for specific search term you searched and "best seller" is given to most consistent selling product in the category.
3:24 The graphic says Ryzen 7 7000x :)
Was about to say lol
Don't forget the 4.5HGz
Its a cpu...
QC still needs some work apparently.
Yea I have that cpu I was like what
I'm on the toilet
Skibidi
Remember to wipe
I saw this while also on the toilet, at work 😅
Word
same
maybe im crazy but if the methodology for selecting the SSD was searching "SSD" on amazon. I would expect a 2.5" SATA SSD every time. Maybe this is just me being old fashioned but "SSD" without "NVMe" preceding it always means that SATA form factor.
I was thinking the same thing; if you want a NVME drive, that needs to be part of the search criteria.
searching just 'ssd' on amazon gives me a 980 Pro 2TB nvme. Not sure what they were searching for
@@vera9230 I searched SSD in my Amazon search engine and the top 3 results were a *sponsored* Lexar external SSD, a *sponsored* nvme KingSpec SSD, and an *overall pick* Samsung 980 Pro 2TB. I’ve only ever used Samsung SSDs so I’m convinced we have different search algorithms.
Mind you a SATA only showed up in my search after the 8th m.2 and after “customers frequently viewed” and “Black Friday deals” horizontal ads.
@@mb9023Same
I agree, but I'm also confused why their overall pick was a sata ssd. I went to go search for myself both in my main account and in a private window, and the Samsung 980 pro appeared for me both times. I wonder if the sata ssd at the time of filming and procurement was that crucial sata ssd. I'd like to see some extra information on what and when they searched in these videos.
2:06 Billy Talent pog
Canada Rocks
This TBH
Glad to see it. haven’t heard anyone talk about these guys state side since 2012.
BILLY TALENT IN A LTT VIDEO IS WILD
Mark this day when Linus voice has finally hit puberty lol
Was looking for this comment
12:28 how many companies allow an employee to slap a boss in the face and keep their job?
What is the refrence here?
is there a lore reason behind this?
@@smallbutdeadly931 There's a cross over with the slow mo guys where Edzel really whacked Linus one. It was spectacular and the look from Linus was totally "I said hit me, not HIT me"
Well something in "defense" of the amazon picks. I think that these encompass more than just "wanting to build a new PC"?
Of course SATA SSDs or even a one generation (good new market value) will be more popular than the newest/most up-to-date components. These are more typical upgrade parts&paths for existing older machines. Just due to comparability reasons or possible "over-budgeting" in terms of performance, meaning bottle necking.
But please correct me if I am wrong here in my analysis! :)
I heavily agree with this. i thinks NVME came around 2016 ish, some PC's from 2012 will probably have that extra sata slot for an older SSD, i mean, if you are on your work PC that is only ever used for some excel, e-mail reading and some calls, i'd say it's a really great upgrading from a HDD to an SSD
I'd imagine you could be buying more SATA SSDs than NVME drives too. I have an NVME, but I also have a SATA, and I'm thinking about adding another. But I can't add a second NVME with my current motherboard.
Hi, MSI Tomahawk x670e Wifi owner here. The SSD issue comes with some of the newer BIOS updates. Lower BIOS versions don't have that issue.
I have an WD SSD and had to downgrade my BIOS. Now it works fine.
0:59 I knew it Linus is just a robot and the LMG consists of AI robots trying to convince us technology is good for us 😔
4:23 I can confirm, Corsair support when it comes to RAM is excellent. Bought my brother a kit of 32GB for Christmas a few years back then it started spitting out memory errors after two years of use. After confirming my order, the pin number of the kit, and sharing the results of a memtest they sent me a replacement kit.
00:34 "Of course on the other hand..... Reality"
I'm running 3 970 EVOs on the same board. Never had any issues. It's a solid choice.
You can remove that buzz in the side by side audio in audacity by isolating a part of the audio and using one of the removal tools.
Ah yes, telling people who have been doing video editing for over a decade how to do their job
Never change comment section
@@victorkreig6089 Ahh yes, people have been editing for over a decade and still leave in amature mistakes that can be resolved in 30 seconds with free software.
The crucial ssd makes sense, theyre cheap enough for people to upgrade their old laptop and get a decent performance boost. Ive installed at least a hundred of them at this point
Circuit, tree.
Circuitry.
COME ON DAN!
Circuitree
This video is why spending even just 15 minutes on the Tom's Hardware GPU Benchmarks Hierarchy page is worth it when doing a cursory search for a new graphics card. The RTX 3060 12GB was a great choice 2 or 3 years ago when it came out based on performance and VRAM amount, but really as of about a year ago, there are better options on the market depending on price and performance preferences if one looks a little bit.
3:38 bent pin..? or just a bit of lint?
saw that too
It's not common that I yell at the person in the screen, but in this case I was screaming "Linus! Stop!"
That Crucial BX500 is an engineering marvel with how reliable it is
Zen4 FTW
It is incredible what AMD is doing now
This is basically my build
Zen5 FTW
I built a pc last Black Friday from Amazon for around 1200-1300 including mouse, keyboard, two monitors, and a mouse pad. Brand new pc, no used parts and I am able to run any game I want just fine. You don’t have to go crazy to get a good setup
LTT was kind of an "overall pick" recommended to me by TH-cam in 2020
😅
I've got exactly that motherboard, and have both Samsung and WD NVMe drives in it, and have personally never had any issues at all.
7:58 very decent card didn’t even knew they had a 12 gig variant
the vid came out 2 min ago how
bro the video came out 3 mins ago, how tf are you at the almost 8th minute
How did you even get to that timestamp already
Video skipping andy
12GB is the default first released version. 8GB came out few months later and was criticised for not only having 4GB less VRAM with the same name, but also being slower.
I have my pc parts coming and i cant stop thinking about assembly. Its my first pc and im sooo excited. I cant wait any longer
Make sure you watch a lot of good building videos first to not miss something stupid and damage something. No metal bits touching the back of the motherboard once powered on, etc.
Plouffe’s CPU was almost 100C lol
92... Its how the 7000 series performs when under full utilisation. Its actually fine and designed to run like that. The other one isn't running that hot as its not beeing driven as hard due to GPU bottleneck.
It's Zen 4, they like to do that on stock settings.
noticed that too, but then i realized its a 7700x, they are hot & go pretty much "up to 95°c(+-2°)" with their boost clock. he also had a much better gpu so linus card bottlenecked so hard the cpu doing basically nothing
@@Gantali9305 96*
I don't care if they CAN run that hot or not, I don't want my cpu 93c ish. My R5 7600x always stays under 60c while gaming (granted I have a decent 360m AIO)
It makes sense for that SSD form factor to be recommended. I assume most people buying an SSD from Amazon are buying it as an upgrade for their existing systems and might not have an M.2 slot free. It was the case with my ITX build.
I'm surprised the 7700x is the top pick not the 7600 or 7600x and surprised an x670 chipset is top pick not a b650.
Nice video and also nice suggestions from Amazon. Really appreciate the call outs to details like the PSU differece. I think it shows some extra attention to detail which is a big improvement over the pre-production-halt LTT. Keep it up!
Guys.. Come on :)
1. Ploof's CPU was at 96-97C the whole time
2. 4000D and H5 Flow both come with only 2x 120mm case fans. For proper build advice accuracy including a few more case fans in calculation and build would seem only appropriate
Sigh, it's so tiring seeing the number of people who think a high temperature is "bad". That's perfectly normal to see when auto-overclocking.
Isn't the 7000X series supposed to go to ~95C? Very weird how Linus's machine doesnt do that. Is that because of the GPU bottleneck?
But why, with some brands you pay 10 bucks per fan.
@@MTGeomancer well considering they both have the same cpu and cooler just different chipsets that is a huge difference
@@MTGeomancer what's even more tiring is people, who think they know better, are condescending and arrogant towards others. 96C at 50% utilisation in gaming is NOT normal even for an overclocked 7700X.
Ive had the same exact 3060 for a while and its still chugging along with no probs
10:30 that CPU is cooking itself. LOOK AT THE TEMPS
Educate yourself:
"AMD Zen 4 and Zen 5 CPUs have their thermal target set to 95°C, which means the CPU will boost as much as it can, until it reaches that point, to maximize performance. Unlike on Intel, on AMD it's not possible to increase the 95°C limit."
@@LordManhattan LOL If you CPU hits 93C @45% load it will throttle under full load. It might already do. Just because the part is save to use at that temperature does not mean you should. It will boost less, therefore perform worse and shorten the lifespan of the part.
Yeah literally at 97°C a few seconds later and downclocking below 4.9 Ghz. They fucked up the mount of the cooler I guess, because the other one is running 40°C cooler on the same Aircooler.
The sata drive is probably recommended since you can always slap a sata SSD in a old laptop and make it feel faster. It's also a good storage upgrade for consoles like ps3s and ps4. Many people still rock older hardware and a ssd is always a good upgrade.
I work at an SI, not massive, but not that small either, we order most of our products on amazon for prebuilds lmfao
@@Mo-gk9qb That's wild, not buying wholesale direct vendor is profit lost.
@@connor040606depends if they have the scale to order at whole sale
@connor040606 we aren't really big enough to be doing that, only around 30 PC's a day, and we get our stuff without tax via Amazon business accounts
@@connor040606 for a smaller company that's not buying massive volumes, retail can be cheaper than direct wholesale. And probably also faster and more flexible.
Corsair is one of the few old skool brands that delivers in a vast spectrum of prices.
I have to agree. They cover a range of prices, generally with pretty consistent quality. And, as Linus mentioned in the video, their support is at very least solid. They're a brand I usually have little qualms with buying for my PC
Loved that joke about Linus needing some percussive maintenance. The rest of the video was very good as well.
guys dont use cheap ram on amd (high boot time,hand) ,amd need best ram, AMD SPECIAL RAM like =
GEIL L ORION V AMD Edition 6000mhz
gskill royal neo z5 6000mhz cl28 (amd edition)
My breakfast is ready and you just dropped a video 9 minutes ago. Life is good
What happend to the LTT Channels?
(Mac Adress and the other one)
Writers canned, channels on hiatus
The channels are on hiatus as addressed by Linus and Luke on WAN show. Speculation is those channels weren't seeing much viewership and it just wasn't worth keeping them going and some staff were let go. We know Jonathan Horst isn't with LTT anymore, though the LTT folks have a policy against talking about personnel changes so that can't/won't address questions related to that.
@@nephatrineadd to that that Canada is going through a bit of economic turmoil.
Seeing so many parts I used in my personal home build I built just over a year ago is really cool lmao! Same CPU, same PSU (thank you for using the shift lol), and the same RAM! Interested in the next RAM video though, would be nice to know if I need to change something.
SATA drive probably just because people buy it for expansion when their M.2 slots are used up. Aside from premium MBs you usually get what, 2 M.2?
And if you get more than one M.2 Slot, you get it with Lane Sharing 🥲
Hey. That's the corsair case I'm currently using! It's neat to see something I personally use in one of these videos even if it's just a case. It's decent.
This is the third UGreen ad I’ve seen today
It would be cool to see productivity benchmarks between these two computers.
linus oil up
My guess is that the Crucial SSD is the 'Overall Pick' because it's often used in storage solutions where multiple drives are added. This makes it more likely to be sold in larger quantities per order compared to M.2 drives, which are usually bought one at a time for specific builds.
8:22 if your item has any sort of failure within it’s warranty period you just need to contact Amazons customer support and they will create a return for you
This. And in my experience they're pretty quick and stress free about it
Amazon customer support has gone to complete and total crap in recent years, to the point of being one of the worst (if not the worst). Do not even get me started on talking about the long and arduous process I had to go through to get refunded on a return that they admitted from the start was their fault.
While I can understand the complaints about the ssd being sata, personally I can only sing praises of the BX500. We use it at work in almost every modern machine, and that is heavy industrial 24/7 use with high temps and sometimes permanent reading and writing. We had no DOAs so far and some have been even running for just about 6 years now without problems.
4:50 Yes if you have a M2 Slot available, but if not they are the best. I got three 4TB drives, two in my Gaming PC as Storage and one in my Home Server for VMs.
I think he means for less techy first time builders. It’s much simpler to install and easier to manage. If you want 12TB of storage and are an experienced builder you’re probably gonna mix and match all sorts of drives.
tbh that the sata was the top choice makes sense, if you make a pc you start with a m2 most of the time so when you need more space its easier to just dump a sata than to get another m2 and cloning the windows, so lets say for each pc you get a m2 and 2 ssd, add to that if someone makes a server or something like that and boom
Why are you all commenting? It’s not even 6 minutes!
A lot of people literally pause to comment, and sometimes literally just comment straight away, same as you did xD watching at 1.5-1.75x helps as well
I like to make prediction, I say Linus ends up with a good okayish PC, but he could do better himself
Linus' build was buying a suit at Men's Warehouse. Plouffe's is buying a bespoke suit. They will both work but one will feel so much better.
0:12 I hate when people use a sound that is or is so close to the Iphone notification sound... But maybe Apple should have made it more distinguishable...
Well, you can always change it.
@@Tr4ns1st0r I have a pixel 7. I reacted to that sound thinking I'd got a notification
"You're just listening to it wrong" - Apple
like when people use discord ping noise for the video
Overall Pick makes a lot more sense outside of building a PC. It did a respectable job for the information it has. Amazon doesn't know your budget or use case. Is the pc strictly for gaming. Are you gaming at 1080p? What kinds of games will you be playing? You see the difference in these PCs because of the games they tested with. But if someone is going to play games like Civ 5 and RTS games, then the builder might want to lean more on the CPU side.
Nobody talking about the 7700X reaching 94 degrees? lol
Was about to write it, wtf is that cooler?
this is normal for ryzen 7000 series at full load, they can handle it. Though if you undervolt via PBO in BIOS and then set a temp limit to 80 degrees you can push the same max clock speeds at 80 compared to the default 95 degree limit
@@DesocupadoXtremo The same for both systems. It probably wasn't installed properly. Wasn't thermal throttling, but yeah ^^.
The 7000 series just runs hot, even with a 240MM AIO mine avgs 80 under load & spikes up to 90, as long as it doesn't exceed 95 it is fine.
@@Epimyst Well it seems like the 7800X3D is the only 7000 series cpu worth getting! Gaming or not, that's the one to spend your money on
Something important to remember about Amazon suggestions is they're based on generalized feedback, not feedback geared towards an overall PC build. That motherboard that wasn't as feature rich makes more sense, but consumers sometimes go for features they don't need or Amazon may have a just be pushing for the product that's overall going to fit everyone's needs (this may also be skewed by users buying a mobo with less features then returning it because they didn't read the description vs a mobo with too many features that satisfies everyone). It won't be the perfect PC, but it seemed to make a solid all around pick. Now if Amazon would just stop selling open-box/used as brand new, they'd be a solid pick since Newegg has been scamming people for a while now. Weird to think Best Buy is still the most trustworthy option all considered, esp given how sketchy their Geek Squad is.
Conclusion: Stop buying the 3060 or 4060 oh my god just get AMD if you are on a budget the PC will last so much longer for the same price!
Especially for the SSD Amazon's choice makes sense. If you don't specify NVME or SATA, the default should be SATA, because Amazon doesn't know if you want to use this in a new build, or to replace an old spinning hard drive in an existing system, which may not have a M.2 slot available.
do you mind?
😂
what?
@@nigelschoonenberg1209 do you?
Overall pick usually means "highest sale volume", which is typically the lower priced items.
Amazon tagging “returned Infrequently “ claims on items that can’t be returned is the most Amazon thing ever …
All Items can be returned lol, just not after the 30 days return time
They can be returned though
What are you referring to here
1100 is good for a brand new pc, but on second hand market i was able to snatch a i5-12600k with a 3090 and 32gb ram 6000mhz, 1000W psu from corsair, and some kingspec nvme with 7gb/s, that was such a great deal! Seeing the prices outside Romania that is insane!
10:37 Slip of the tongue? 40 has Frame Gen whereas 30 has Upscaling.
Nice review. Shopping pc parts can get tricky sometimes online keep up the awesome work😎✌️
i dont think its that hard just go onto a message board post your budget and what your looking to do with it and if you need stuff (IE monitor mouse keyboard speakers) and people are hyper competitive about building PCs so they will usually get you the best bang for your buck. the hardest thing about that process is knowing to ask and having the basic sensibilities to know what to ask for/lay down the parameters. Been building my PCs for years doing this and gotta say thank you to the internet people out there that help with builds yall are awesome.
Tech TH-camrs don't know what to do anymore but have to make videos anyway because ... money.
Tech Enthusiasts don't know what to do anymore but feel the need to write salty comments anyway because... attention.
That cpu fan and gpu are solid. I've been using them since dec
12:07 is the conclusion
It would be cool if you did stuff like this based on other countries too and made them go against each other, like america vs canada vs uk, which overall pick is the best etc...
I love TH-cam's 2000 intro. It needs a little bit more dubstep, but it's great.
Also I don’t want a compensator build, but what is the ‘Kinda over doing it’ build rn? I refresh every 4-5 years and always overbuild without going meme-build. What’s a well put together 5090TI build ‘Im a Gamer, 3D Artist, AI Training, Unreal Editing, Video editing, Programming generalist’ Whats your take on that ‘do it all, do it well’ build when you can’t outright start running servers in your house XD
Do note that with the 7700 XT, you should also have access to AFMF 2, which is basically AMD's Driver-level frame gen.
It is actually pretty good, as it doesn't significantly reduce latency nor have that much artifacting. I even use it for some games on my 7900 XT when I need that extra little boost in frames to reach my monitor's refreshrate.
I got that PC case and CPU cooler for $80 on swap. Worked well and was good for that price.
First off, great video.
Secondly, is everyone else exclusively seeing Xfinity/Wicked ads on LTT videos? Saw a dozen during WAN show and this video opened with it. Not my experience on other channels and how much money are they spending?!
"Odd Choices" - What an SSD by one of the best memory and SSD companies lol.
With Amazon recommending a SATA SSD, I think it's purely because most people buying storage are buying 'additional' storage rather than flat out always building an entirely new computer. A lot of motherboards can only support a single NVME, and older ones don't support any. And (speaking from experience) there is a nonzero amount of people who likely don't know what version of NVME their motherboard supports, so they pick the safe SATA option instead.
I had that motherboard with the BIOS-es since the beginning of june 2024. Had a 7800X3D in it, *never ever* did I have problems with my Samsung SSD 980 - 1TB drives (or Corsair and Lexar NVME's). The Samsung 980's were my 50GB+ games drives and one of them I used for generative AI. I haven't noticed boot-problems nor other type of problems. All the drives ran the latest FW on them too.
Honestly, the only issue with the Amazon PC is that the Nvidia 3060 is almost 300 dollars. It should be closer to 200. If it was 184.51 or even 200, the lower FPS would be no issue.
I bought mine for 170$ so i think im good
Surprise us with more water bottle colours and more desk pad designs for the holidays please
I have that same graphic card it my PC,I got it last week and its so good.
You can actually see how happy Linus is with the“shift happens” line 😂
Man i honestly surprised no one has ever B&E'd linus for all that sweet sweet tech
love that all the corsair memory boxes show the speed as 6400mhz, wish we had 12800mhz ram🎉
if you are going with a 3060 just opt for an Intel A770. I did an Intel 12900K build that came in at about $80.00 less. The other build was mostly due to the GPU card 7700xt which is about $100 more than the 3060 or the A770 and newer than either card
Linus on top the only reason I can build pc’s like a pro
Lovely to see Plouffe's take on a system, however once I saw the specs it was quite disappointing after all.
For reference, here'd be an arguably better list assuming you were to allow an item or two from newegg:
- R5 7600 $179
- Thermalright Burst Assassin 120 SE $21
- MSI B650-S WiFi $130 (or the Gigabyte Eagle AX for $140)
- DDR5-6000 CL36 Patriot Viper Venom 2x16 memory (!!Confirmed Hynix!! CL36 is not always bad) $74
- Silicon Power US75 (MAP1602 config) 2tb SSD $100
- ASRock Challenger OC 7800 XT $450
- Montech Air 1000 Premium $60
- Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 2024 $76
All this combined comes down to close/equal $1100 given current pricing on the market. If you had a microcenter nearby, a 7700X bundle with what usually would be a Gigabyte B650 Gaming AX V2 and G.Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000 Cl36 or so 2x16 GB kit for $400, it'd be around the same price maybe $10 more total and rock solid, arguably better value than what Plouffe or whoever was truly responsible ever managed
The SSD is clearly that popular for upgrading older systems. I bought multiple of them just to upgrade the PCs of my family, obviously they were ecstatic at the speed/responsiveness difference compared to a hard drive, especially with them being forced out of older Windows versions. My bet is that within 4 years, there'll be an NVMe drive in its place, after most HDD PCs will have been upgraded.
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rmx shift psus are underrated IMO, super convenient
I use the BX 500 1TB for my Steam games. It works perfectly.
I've got a Corsair RM 850 and couldn't be happier.
Those hoodies are super cool!