Great guy! I hope that his committee's PAC-12 dream comes true. The kind of support the committee is receiving arguably also means that a lot of Sac State's football games will likely be sold out. That's something for the current committed 8 PAC-12 schools to take with utmost seriousness.
Love this for Sac St. As an OSU fan I personally don’t really see Sac St as a realistic addition to the the PAC unless every target school in the central time zone falls through or if Sac St takes a reduced media share, but I think they’d be a great addition to the MW.
Great interview, guys. Only posting a What If? scenario here, but if at the 11th hour talks between the MWC and Northern Illinois fall through (I doubt it. I think you got NIU.), then circling back and talking to Sacramento State about membership would be a wise move. Sac State would replace the market lost with Fresno State. I don't see why Sac State should have this "PAC-12 or bust" mentality especially if the PAC isn't willing to bring them in. If Sac State really wants to go up to FBS and the MWC is the only available option, they should just take it.
They want major or majorish college football. Whatever that P12,AAC tier is called. MWC is no longer in that tier. The driving force behnd this is people in the area who see this as pursuing a major sports team not doing whats right for a college.
@@commodorezero While I do understand that, I don't think the MWC should just be dismissed altogether. If you have an opportunity to jump up to FBS and the MWC is the only conference giving you an invite, then you make the best of it. Hence, why I hope that this SAC-12 group are not being shortsighted about what they're doing.
Realistically, the only way I could see a Sac State invite is if they go the SMU route and promise to forgo their media rights share for a decade or so. I don't know if they could afford to do that while also performing at a FBS level.
I would not be surprised if Sac state goes to the mountain west, the egos in the pac would view this as a backward move. Gloria would consider this a positive move
It’s not about egos. It’s about valuation. Sac might or might not be determined a valuable asset to the PAC. The MWC schools left behind have lower media value. This is a fact.
@ I respect your perspective, the issue as I see it is originally the pac 2 did not want Wyoming and Nevada. Things have changed , I would not be surprised to see U Davies get a call from Either. It’s about numbers and as of now it’s a horse race to the finish. I would have rather seen the two join the Mountain west and grow versus destroy and form two group of five conferences. Just saying
@ it’s not at all a horse race. The PAC has until 2026 to get one more school. Wyoming and Nevada, while lovely universities I am sure, bring nominal media value. The PAC has the luxury and the finances and frankly the media value to get an eighth, and likely ninth school of quality when the timing and negotiation timelines meet. The MWC on the other hand is in a one conference horse race to change their “memorandum of understanding” into something more stable. Because if the media deal numbers look low, AFA and UNLV will bolt for the AAC and PAC respectively.
Great video gentlemen! I believe that it truly is Pac-12 or bust for Sacramento State. A lot of their nil donations are contingent upon them joining the Pac-12. I don't think that money will be there if they decide to join the MWC. It might be a possibility if the MWC new media deal is somewhat comparable to the Pac-12. Just a thought.
Based on the rumors of the PAC’s potential media deal being somewhere between 8-10M, I can’t see the MWC renegotiating for anything near that based on what they’ve replaced their losses with so far.
Good interview. Sac St makes sense as a fall back plan for PAC-12 to get 2 8 teams. How has Sac St done in FcS playoffs? Sacramento was supposed to have gotten the 29th MLS franchise (Sacramento Republic) but it fell through, I believe due to stadium cost. Next time you talk to Josh as if there is still a chance for an MLS team and would the MLS team share the stadium? I’m Houston the MLS Dynamo share the stadium with Texas Southern University.
They’ve made the FCS playoffs the last four years, and got to the 2nd round last year beating UND. Otherwise, I don’t think they’ve faired too well. And this year they are currently 3-6, so very doubtful for a playoff spot.
@@TheAveragejoe333the play of the current Football team this year isn’t a consideration according to insiders who have had discussions with the conferences. This is about media rights and market. If this program get in they will be good there is tons of local football talent that leave the Sacramento areas due to it not being FBS. Example Cam Skatebo, there have been many others. Jake Browning was one Onterio Smith. Thier is always tons of talent in the area that would stay.
@@torranceyork2486 I don’t believe I said anything about whether they’re being considered or not. I was just answering the question the poster asked above about how they’ve done in the playoffs.
SAC State makes more sense in the Mountain West than in the PAC. I hope it happens for them I really do. I think MWC should be looking at the FCS schools in the Big Sky rather than NIU. They had one good game against ND… doesn’t mean they are a good fit for MWC. Montana Montana State Idaho Getting those three and SAC in the future would be amazing. If they want to move east the Dakota State schools (NDSU, SDSU) would be great pick ups as well.
I think the problem is that they will have to make changes to the house settlement, if a FCS schools move up and i truly believe the FBS leadership would love to shut the door on any future move ups.
@ that’s sucks, because I would love to see those schools in the FBS… I mean it’d add more viewers since these states don’t have or only have one team in the FBS. I feel like with realignment going the way it is… they need to be willing to add more schools into the mix… or lose conferences and slowly lose what made college football what it was.
NIU is more than a game against ND. NIU has been to 8 conference championship games in last 13 seasons, has had multiple Heisman candidates, a BCS bowl appearance, the winningest school in Illinois the last 25 years, and brings the #3 Chicago market. They are proven success.
I’ll give Sac St a ton of credit! They are making noise about going FBS. other CSU schools are doing nothing! The PAC and MWC would love to get into the LA market! But, no LA area team is doing anything to bring back football! Fullerton has a 10,000 seat stadium but no desire to bring back football. 40,000 students who won’t pay for football. Long Beach has no stadium, but could share the soccer stadium in Carson! But, no desire for football. Northridge no stadium and 40,000 students who won’t pay for football. Irvine and Riverside both have 20,000 or so students who won’t pay for football! And no stadium.
Sac State will only get this if they are the best option on the table for football team 8. Memphis has to be out of the picture. Sac State has the potential to actually deserve this one day but they don't right now.
Sac St would make sense in the MWC due to the proximity to Nevada and San Jose St helping with transportation costs and creating rivalries. Having the Golden 1 Center in the back pocket is going to be a plus.
Do any D1 basketball teams share an NBA arena? I’m not talking about one or two special games held at the NBA Arena. I’m talking all their games or a majority of games being held at the NBA arena! Sac St won’t talk about building an arena, which they needed 20 years ago!
Sacramento has a history of swinging for the fences on big league teams. I was there when we swung for the Oakland A's and Oakland Raider's in the late 1980's. I watched from a distance with the effort to land an MLS franchise. The challenge in Sacramento is that pledges are easy to get from locals, but no deep pockets will cut checks. The "tell" that this effort is in trouble is they have anonymous pledges for NIL but no funding plan yet for the stadium. I love the enthusiasm of the speaker. When they get a mega-stadium naming rights deal for the stadium I will be more positive. The NIL "raise" is all smoke and mirrors.
@@Lawomenshoops I know they raised the student fees for sports about $5.0 million per year. That would fund an $85 million stadium if every penny went to pay off a bond. San Diego State spent $310 million on their stadium a few years ago with $85 million coming in cash donations and the balance being a bond backed by the CSU system. They have a long way to go.
Sac st would be a way better fit than northern illinois. Niu's revenue is terrible. Sac st is in the right time zone and already has great revenue. Uc Davis and cal poly also both have great revenue and would complete the area.
NIU has been to 8 conference championship games in last 13 seasons, has had multiple Heisman candidates, a BCS bowl appearance, the winningest school in Illinois the last 25 years, and brings the #3 Chicago market. They are proven success, not potential like a Sac.
If I was the PAC I would be jumping all over SAC St instead of letting the MW take them. Why? There is little doubt that in the future the Big XII will be losing schools to the Big 10 & SEC and they will need replacements. SDSU & BSU being oblivious examples.
Sac state is barely good enough in football for the pac 12. But he new pac 12 is not just about football. Sac State would get beat by a middle school in Nebraska in all other sports. They do not belong in the new pac 12.
The sports have a history of being lackluster, as has fan support, but the ballgame is around media valuation now. If SAC sinks the money, and the market is deemed desirable, their win/loss record is of secondary concern.
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Great guy! I hope that his committee's PAC-12 dream comes true.
The kind of support the committee is receiving arguably also means that a lot of Sac State's football games will likely be sold out. That's something for the current committed 8 PAC-12 schools to take with utmost seriousness.
Love this for Sac St. As an OSU fan I personally don’t really see Sac St as a realistic addition to the the PAC unless every target school in the central time zone falls through or if Sac St takes a reduced media share, but I think they’d be a great addition to the MW.
Great interview, guys. Only posting a What If? scenario here, but if at the 11th hour talks between the MWC and Northern Illinois fall through (I doubt it. I think you got NIU.), then circling back and talking to Sacramento State about membership would be a wise move. Sac State would replace the market lost with Fresno State. I don't see why Sac State should have this "PAC-12 or bust" mentality especially if the PAC isn't willing to bring them in. If Sac State really wants to go up to FBS and the MWC is the only available option, they should just take it.
They want major or majorish college football. Whatever that P12,AAC tier is called. MWC is no longer in that tier. The driving force behnd this is people in the area who see this as pursuing a major sports team not doing whats right for a college.
@@commodorezero While I do understand that, I don't think the MWC should just be dismissed altogether. If you have an opportunity to jump up to FBS and the MWC is the only conference giving you an invite, then you make the best of it. Hence, why I hope that this SAC-12 group are not being shortsighted about what they're doing.
Realistically, the only way I could see a Sac State invite is if they go the SMU route and promise to forgo their media rights share for a decade or so.
I don't know if they could afford to do that while also performing at a FBS level.
@@drgat6953 yeah, this is a good point. If they want to pay their way in, and be cannon fodder for the PAC, maybe.
I would not be surprised if Sac state goes to the mountain west, the egos in the pac would view this as a backward move. Gloria would consider this a positive move
It’s not about egos. It’s about valuation. Sac might or might not be determined a valuable asset to the PAC. The MWC schools left behind have lower media value. This is a fact.
@ I respect your perspective, the issue as I see it is originally the pac 2 did not want Wyoming and Nevada. Things have changed , I would not be surprised to see U Davies get a call from
Either. It’s about numbers and as of now it’s a horse race to the finish. I would have rather seen the two join the Mountain west and grow versus destroy and form two group of five conferences. Just saying
@ it’s not at all a horse race.
The PAC has until 2026 to get one more school. Wyoming and Nevada, while lovely universities I am sure, bring nominal media value. The PAC has the luxury and the finances and frankly the media value to get an eighth, and likely ninth school of quality when the timing and negotiation timelines meet.
The MWC on the other hand is in a one conference horse race to change their “memorandum of understanding” into something more stable. Because if the media deal numbers look low, AFA and UNLV will bolt for the AAC and PAC respectively.
As a boise fan im starting to come around for sac st.
sac st i believe would be a good add so the MW gets into that tv market and recruiting area. 19 th market is a good one.
Great video gentlemen! I believe that it truly is Pac-12 or bust for Sacramento State. A lot of their nil donations are contingent upon them joining the Pac-12. I don't think that money will be there if they decide to join the MWC. It might be a possibility if the MWC new media deal is somewhat comparable to the Pac-12. Just a thought.
The Pac 12 will always be a more historic brand than the MWC despite losing 10 of 12 members
Based on the rumors of the PAC’s potential media deal being somewhere between 8-10M, I can’t see the MWC renegotiating for anything near that based on what they’ve replaced their losses with so far.
@@gabrielsoliz8563can’t be a historic brand when all its history is gone
I don’t see any reason the MW would have a compatible media deal to the PAC considering what the MW lost and the fact that the PAC added Gonzaga.
@@TheAveragejoe333the MWC will be lucky to get $3m per school in a media deal.
Good interview. Sac St makes sense as a fall back plan for PAC-12 to get 2 8 teams. How has Sac St done in FcS playoffs? Sacramento was supposed to have gotten the 29th MLS franchise (Sacramento Republic) but it fell through, I believe due to stadium cost. Next time you talk to Josh as if there is still a chance for an MLS team and would the MLS team share the stadium? I’m Houston the MLS Dynamo share the stadium with Texas Southern University.
They’ve made the FCS playoffs the last four years, and got to the 2nd round last year beating UND. Otherwise, I don’t think they’ve faired too well. And this year they are currently 3-6, so very doubtful for a playoff spot.
MLS fell through due to Ron Burkle backing out after the team was awarded to Sacramento by MLS not stadium cost
@@TheAveragejoe333the play of the current Football team this year isn’t a consideration according to insiders who have had discussions with the conferences. This is about media rights and market. If this program get in they will be good there is tons of local football talent that leave the Sacramento areas due to it not being FBS. Example Cam Skatebo, there have been many others. Jake Browning was one Onterio Smith. Thier is always tons of talent in the area that would stay.
@@torranceyork2486 I don’t believe I said anything about whether they’re being considered or not. I was just answering the question the poster asked above about how they’ve done in the playoffs.
SAC State makes more sense in the Mountain West than in the PAC. I hope it happens for them I really do.
I think MWC should be looking at the FCS schools in the Big Sky rather than NIU. They had one good game against ND… doesn’t mean they are a good fit for MWC.
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Getting those three and SAC in the future would be amazing. If they want to move east the Dakota State schools (NDSU, SDSU) would be great pick ups as well.
I think the problem is that they will have to make changes to the house settlement, if a FCS schools move up and i truly believe the FBS leadership would love to shut the door on any future move ups.
@ that’s sucks, because I would love to see those schools in the FBS… I mean it’d add more viewers since these states don’t have or only have one team in the FBS.
I feel like with realignment going the way it is… they need to be willing to add more schools into the mix… or lose conferences and slowly lose what made college football what it was.
NIU is more than a game against ND. NIU has been to 8 conference championship games in last 13 seasons, has had multiple Heisman candidates, a BCS bowl appearance, the winningest school in Illinois the last 25 years, and brings the #3 Chicago market. They are proven success.
I’ll give Sac St a ton of credit! They are making noise about going FBS. other CSU schools are doing nothing! The PAC and MWC would love to get into the LA market! But, no LA area team is doing anything to bring back football! Fullerton has a 10,000 seat stadium but no desire to bring back football. 40,000 students who won’t pay for football. Long Beach has no stadium, but could share the soccer stadium in Carson! But, no desire for football. Northridge no stadium and 40,000 students who won’t pay for football. Irvine and Riverside both have 20,000 or so students who won’t pay for football! And no stadium.
I'm not even seeing the fan support. Watched some Sac St basketball game, and their high school basketball gym barely had any fans in the stands.
Sac State will only get this if they are the best option on the table for football team 8. Memphis has to be out of the picture. Sac State has the potential to actually deserve this one day but they don't right now.
Sac St would make sense in the MWC due to the proximity to Nevada and San Jose St helping with transportation costs and creating rivalries. Having the Golden 1 Center in the back pocket is going to be a plus.
Do any D1 basketball teams share an NBA arena? I’m not talking about one or two special games held at the NBA Arena. I’m talking all their games or a majority of games being held at the NBA arena!
Sac St won’t talk about building an arena, which they needed 20 years ago!
do they even sellout their current basketball arena?
Seriously how many others options do the Pac have ? A couple of basketball moves but for football other than fcs or C-usa all ships have sailed.
Texas State is about their best option left at this point. Wouldn’t be a bad addition honestly.
@TheAveragejoe333 Didn't they announce they were staying in Sbc ?
@@jeffmorgan9337 all I’ve seen them say is that they turned down the MWC invitation so far. I’m not aware of them being offered by the PAC yet.
The AAC ships haven’t sailed.
@@jeffmorgan9337 things can always change, if the PAC-12 get an actual media deal that pays more than what they are getting in the American.
Sacramento has a history of swinging for the fences on big league teams. I was there when we swung for the Oakland A's and Oakland Raider's in the late 1980's. I watched from a distance with the effort to land an MLS franchise. The challenge in Sacramento is that pledges are easy to get from locals, but no deep pockets will cut checks. The "tell" that this effort is in trouble is they have anonymous pledges for NIL but no funding plan yet for the stadium. I love the enthusiasm of the speaker. When they get a mega-stadium naming rights deal for the stadium I will be more positive. The NIL "raise" is all smoke and mirrors.
The stadium funding is the students fee increase!
@@Lawomenshoops I know they raised the student fees for sports about $5.0 million per year. That would fund an $85 million stadium if every penny went to pay off a bond. San Diego State spent $310 million on their stadium a few years ago with $85 million coming in cash donations and the balance being a bond backed by the CSU system. They have a long way to go.
You’re wrong on The stadium funding. It’s ok to have an opinion but the funding for the stadium is done they break ground end of the year.
@@torranceyork2486 I have seen no evidence of this. Nothing that big happens in total secret.
Sac st would be a way better fit than northern illinois. Niu's revenue is terrible. Sac st is in the right time zone and already has great revenue. Uc Davis and cal poly also both have great revenue and would complete the area.
NIU has been to 8 conference championship games in last 13 seasons, has had multiple Heisman candidates, a BCS bowl appearance, the winningest school in Illinois the last 25 years, and brings the #3 Chicago market. They are proven success, not potential like a Sac.
If I was the PAC I would be jumping all over SAC St instead of letting the MW take them. Why? There is little doubt that in the future the Big XII will be losing schools to the Big 10 & SEC and they will need replacements. SDSU & BSU being oblivious examples.
5:30 "The students recommended a fee assessment on themselves for athletics"? 🤔 I don't believe you.
21k seat stadium. Weak
Sac state is barely good enough in football for the pac 12. But he new pac 12 is not just about football. Sac State would get beat by a middle school in Nebraska in all other sports. They do not belong in the new pac 12.
The sports have a history of being lackluster, as has fan support, but the ballgame is around media valuation now. If SAC sinks the money, and the market is deemed desirable, their win/loss record is of secondary concern.
And I should add, regardless of whether they stay in Big Sky, Mountain West or PAC…they are gonna get absolutely smoked on the field of play.