First of all, I want to thank you for the enormous kindness you have done in providing this video. Very, very much made me interested in this equipment. I was looking forward to getting an EdgeRoute from Ubiquiti, but I needed something more complete. Including that it could provide distinct subnets between ports and VLANs. I need more details. How is web filtering control carried out? Is there a layer of malware and intrusion detection? I'm really close to deciding on this one.
One advantage of a command line interface is that it makes documenting a configuration more straightforward. Plus, you can use a configuration manager like Ansible to manage devices with a command line interface so that it's no more time consuming to configure 1000 boxes than it is to configure 1. I agree that a GUI is nice for fooling around, though.
I'm watching videos to get an idea of what the interfaces look like to help me decide between a TP Link Omada system with a ER8411 + TL-SG3210XHP-M2 or a Unifi system with a UDM-Pro-SE + USW-Enterprise-24-PoE for a 2.5Gbps home network, and your comment about 100meg and gigabit internet service really caught me off guard! The ISP I work for has been offering gigabit home internet since before the USG launched, and we actually stopped offering 100Mbps internet service in 2020; the slowest we now offer is 250Mbps!
That's pretty much exactly the same conclusion that I had. TP-Link summary: quality of hardware: extremely high, quality of software: extremely high, warranty and support: extremely good, features: they have a wide range of devices, with the features you would expect of industrial grade devices, price: pretty sharp ! which makes them accessible for even small companies, e.g. sole-proprietors or freelancers, ... The bottom line, they deliver what they promise, at a sharp price. I bought 4 devices of them in the last year, and all of them were exactly what I was looking for. And I am the kind of guy that compares device specs and reviews for months before I actually buy something. I am really aiming for 100% uptime, high throughput, with no worries. And that is exactly what their devices have done for me any my business.
O wow, I literally had the exact opposite experience. We had about a dozen units for residential use, very low bandwidth needs (just connecting a handscanner back to a central site that ran the server for all the sites). We had TPLink VPN routers (600's?). What. A. Piece. Of. Garbage. They supposedly could handle 2 WANs. That was false. They could handle several hundred megabytes of throughput. That was false. They were secure and provided "enterprise grade VPN". That was only true for about 3 days in a row, after which we had to reset them remotely, using a remote client at each site. TPLink is low-grade garbage, especially when much more reliable systems from Ruckus and Meraki-Go are available. Heck, we ran 30+ sites with a couple hundred UniFi devices (not their routers, though!), and they worked great. Only time they went "down" was when we upgraded the firmware or someone drunk hit a telephone pole. Cost more, but we got that $$$ back in productivity and not losing sleep.
Wow so the Omada interface definitely shows more information than the direct GUI! What I would love to know is the % uptime for each WAN (when being used in multi-wan mode). Is this info shown anywhere? Thanks!
For a project a few years ago I installed some TP Link TL-ER6120 routers and one Draytek Vigor 2960. The Draytek failed earlier on this year while I've not had a single problem with any of the TP Link routers.
Mentioning the user limitation: Your looking at the TP-Link ER605 which max's at • 20 IPsec VPN Tunnels but their ER7206 will handle 5x that at • 100 IPSec VPN Tunnels. This actually varies with the VPN protocol ... Lookup: compare ER605 & ER7206 ...
Here in the Netherlands we use Fortygate, which can do more than Unifi and TP-link. Only this one is a bit more expensive, you should think more for a small company at € 300,-- for 100-200 user, around €800,-- above the 250 user, €2800,--. You have multiple ports with Gbit support. can also be applied directly to the fiber.
Will agree with one thing, the reporting of PFSense really does suck. The ntopng package mostly works, but lacks on the free version. Also the USG-3 runs Gigabit if you don't turn on IPS/IDS, if you just want to see what your clients are using for traffic it will route Gigabit with DPS on. Verizon FIOS gigabit up and down on my end. Back to using an SG-3100 for now. Love TP-Link, wouldn't use it outside of the home. Been using Ubiquiti gear for many years in both home and commercial installations.
Why would you not use it the same way you use Ubiquity gear? From my tests it's better than Ubiquity, which is why I have no unify gear at all any more.
I have TP-Link equipment but there are places in the states that Frown on the use of Broadband over Mains so I think if the mains cables are routed through steel cable conduits which are grounded then interference should not radiate.
I love the omada stuff. I got the access point after not being impressed with the uap-ac-pro. And after getting this router to replace my all in one solution
15:07 I think you mean 300 Mbits instead of 300 Megabytes per second? I'm very interested in this router and want to learn all about it, so thanks a lot for making this video 👍
Hey Unkyjoe. Great video. I needed a router to replace the built in firewall in my Xfinity gateway, so after a couple of quick reviews and review videos, I snatched one off Amazon for ~$70 (tax included) and it should be here later tonight. That Xfinity gateway is SUCH a piece of garbage. They've disabled SO many features on it that I can't even setup remote access to my unRAID server properly like I had it at our old house with gigabit fiber (gosh I miss my fiber... and it's only been 2 weeks). Anyhoo... rant over. The previous home owner installed Ubiquiti access points in the house (2 of them at opposite ends of the house). Here's my question, can I use the TP-Link TL-R605 and Omada software to configure and use the Ubiquiti APs, or do you know will I still need to use the UniFi Controller docker in unRAID for that? Thanks in advance for your reply and for a great video. Subscribing and liking.
Great review! One question that came to mind: does this router support acting as an OpenVPN Client? Currently I use Untangle as my NGFW solution, and it supports OpenVPN as either a server and/or a client. Would I be able to upload a .ovpn file to this TP-Link router and have it connect back to my Untangle OpenVPN server as a client?
Wonderfully explained, it takes time and patience to understand the product beyond the data sheets. And yes for corporates cli is much easier to deploy and maintain but for small and medium businesses and for home it's a hassle. I really appreciate the time taken by you to give the essence of different technologies to the public. Keep up the good work, also try to use Cisco small business products and utms like sophos and fortigate etc as they are much more useful in these scenarios.
@@UnkyjoesPlayhouse thank you for your time , so what do you use now ? I’m about to buy on e for my house and I was deciding on the ER605 .. now wonder if you switched it for a reason I should be careful of ? Thank you again 😊
TP link is good, just might of skimped on capacitors like most budget computer companies; case by case solution but assuming you have a computer that supports iommu always running, pass a network card and virtualize! less one device, and pfsense!
These are all home routers. They get the job done but are not very efficient or secure. If you want something higher end you have to get a professional router.
Enterprises in America trust American companies with their sensitive data. Companies like HP, Cisco, and Ubiquiti too. TP Link is 100% Chinese. So what is better, TP Link or Ubiquiti?
First of all, I want to thank you for the enormous kindness you have done in providing this video. Very, very much made me interested in this equipment. I was looking forward to getting an EdgeRoute from Ubiquiti, but I needed something more complete. Including that it could provide distinct subnets between ports and VLANs. I need more details. How is web filtering control carried out? Is there a layer of malware and intrusion detection?
I'm really close to deciding on this one.
One advantage of a command line interface is that it makes documenting a configuration more straightforward. Plus, you can use a configuration manager like Ansible to manage devices with a command line interface so that it's no more time consuming to configure 1000 boxes than it is to configure 1. I agree that a GUI is nice for fooling around, though.
Nice TP-Link product. Thanks for your time and effort.
I'm watching videos to get an idea of what the interfaces look like to help me decide between a TP Link Omada system with a ER8411 + TL-SG3210XHP-M2 or a Unifi system with a UDM-Pro-SE + USW-Enterprise-24-PoE for a 2.5Gbps home network, and your comment about 100meg and gigabit internet service really caught me off guard! The ISP I work for has been offering gigabit home internet since before the USG launched, and we actually stopped offering 100Mbps internet service in 2020; the slowest we now offer is 250Mbps!
That's pretty much exactly the same conclusion that I had.
TP-Link summary:
quality of hardware: extremely high,
quality of software: extremely high,
warranty and support: extremely good,
features: they have a wide range of devices, with the features you would expect of industrial grade devices,
price: pretty sharp ! which makes them accessible for even small companies, e.g. sole-proprietors or freelancers, ...
The bottom line, they deliver what they promise, at a sharp price. I bought 4 devices of them in the last year, and all of them were exactly what I was looking for. And I am the kind of guy that compares device specs and reviews for months before I actually buy something. I am really aiming for 100% uptime, high throughput, with no worries. And that is exactly what their devices have done for me any my business.
O wow, I literally had the exact opposite experience. We had about a dozen units for residential use, very low bandwidth needs (just connecting a handscanner back to a central site that ran the server for all the sites). We had TPLink VPN routers (600's?). What. A. Piece. Of. Garbage. They supposedly could handle 2 WANs. That was false. They could handle several hundred megabytes of throughput. That was false. They were secure and provided "enterprise grade VPN". That was only true for about 3 days in a row, after which we had to reset them remotely, using a remote client at each site. TPLink is low-grade garbage, especially when much more reliable systems from Ruckus and Meraki-Go are available. Heck, we ran 30+ sites with a couple hundred UniFi devices (not their routers, though!), and they worked great. Only time they went "down" was when we upgraded the firmware or someone drunk hit a telephone pole. Cost more, but we got that $$$ back in productivity and not losing sleep.
Wow so the Omada interface definitely shows more information than the direct GUI!
What I would love to know is the % uptime for each WAN (when being used in multi-wan mode). Is this info shown anywhere?
Thanks!
Great review buddy! Thanks for the mention in the video.
Any time!
For a project a few years ago I installed some TP Link TL-ER6120 routers and one Draytek Vigor 2960. The Draytek failed earlier on this year while I've not had a single problem with any of the TP Link routers.
Thanks for watching :)
never had a Draytek router work %100 correctly....
Thanks for this detail comparison and this is really helpful for knowing that TP link can be a good option to replace ubiquiti.
Glad it was helpful!
For home use, tp link products are really great especially for the price. For commercial purposes though, nothing replaces unifi
omada would like a word with you.
What about performance ? Any benchmark ?
Mentioning the user limitation:
Your looking at the TP-Link ER605 which max's at • 20 IPsec VPN Tunnels but their ER7206 will handle 5x that at
• 100 IPSec VPN Tunnels. This actually varies with the VPN protocol ...
Lookup: compare ER605 & ER7206 ...
Here in the Netherlands we use Fortygate, which can do more than Unifi and TP-link. Only this one is a bit more expensive, you should think more for a small company at € 300,-- for 100-200 user, around €800,-- above the 250 user, €2800,--. You have multiple ports with Gbit support. can also be applied directly to the fiber.
I have A tp link box - I have been wanting to use it for ip phone
Will agree with one thing, the reporting of PFSense really does suck. The ntopng package mostly works, but lacks on the free version. Also the USG-3 runs Gigabit if you don't turn on IPS/IDS, if you just want to see what your clients are using for traffic it will route Gigabit with DPS on. Verizon FIOS gigabit up and down on my end. Back to using an SG-3100 for now. Love TP-Link, wouldn't use it outside of the home. Been using Ubiquiti gear for many years in both home and commercial installations.
Thanks for watching :)
Why would you not use it the same way you use Ubiquity gear? From my tests it's better than Ubiquity, which is why I have no unify gear at all any more.
I have TP-Link equipment but there are places in the states that Frown on the use of Broadband over Mains so I think if the mains cables are routed through steel cable conduits which are grounded then interference should not radiate.
I love the omada stuff. I got the access point after not being impressed with the uap-ac-pro. And after getting this router to replace my all in one solution
Thanks for watching :)
Which dyndns providers support this router, can be manually configured ?
Can it be used as a OpenVPN server for several devices in the house ? Thanks
15:07 I think you mean 300 Mbits instead of 300 Megabytes per second? I'm very interested in this router and want to learn all about it, so thanks a lot for making this video 👍
Hey Unkyjoe. Great video. I needed a router to replace the built in firewall in my Xfinity gateway, so after a couple of quick reviews and review videos, I snatched one off Amazon for ~$70 (tax included) and it should be here later tonight. That Xfinity gateway is SUCH a piece of garbage. They've disabled SO many features on it that I can't even setup remote access to my unRAID server properly like I had it at our old house with gigabit fiber (gosh I miss my fiber... and it's only been 2 weeks). Anyhoo... rant over. The previous home owner installed Ubiquiti access points in the house (2 of them at opposite ends of the house). Here's my question, can I use the TP-Link TL-R605 and Omada software to configure and use the Ubiquiti APs, or do you know will I still need to use the UniFi Controller docker in unRAID for that? Thanks in advance for your reply and for a great video. Subscribing and liking.
you will still need the sep controller for Unifi, so yeah I would do it in docker or run as a windows service, either way. Thanks for watching!
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Great review! One question that came to mind: does this router support acting as an OpenVPN Client? Currently I use Untangle as my NGFW solution, and it supports OpenVPN as either a server and/or a client. Would I be able to upload a .ovpn file to this TP-Link router and have it connect back to my Untangle OpenVPN server as a client?
I do not know :( Sorry.
What's is your opinion about Mikrotik? Great video
Wonderfully explained, it takes time and patience to understand the product beyond the data sheets. And yes for corporates cli is much easier to deploy and maintain but for small and medium businesses and for home it's a hassle. I really appreciate the time taken by you to give the essence of different technologies to the public. Keep up the good work, also try to use Cisco small business products and utms like sophos and fortigate etc as they are much more useful in these scenarios.
What a nice thing to say :)
The USG with out IDS IPS enabled does gigabit Wan just fine. There is a hit with IDS enabled I wonder if there is for this as well.
yes, it would stand to reason. I am still getting to know this little device, for me it solves a lot of issues. Thanks for watching.
sounds like a good upgrade/replacement to the ER-X
Thanks for watching :)
Were you able to configure using multiple statics via Omada controller.
no, Thanks for watching :)
How’s the bridging ( switch performance) if I want to use it as router and mini switch between my wireless mesh access points ?
I have no idea as I have not tested that and no longer have the item.
@@UnkyjoesPlayhouse thank you for your time , so what do you use now ? I’m about to buy on e for my house and I was deciding on the ER605 .. now wonder if you switched it for a reason I should be careful of ? Thank you again 😊
Hello, how you do to access the interface omada in the browser without have Omada Controller OC200?
You can load the software onto a computer and make that a controller.
Is there traffic analysis like on the edgerouter?
I have no idea compared to the edgerouter. Thanks for watching :)
nice info
Glad you think so!
From a personal experience, waaaaay better...
TP link is good, just might of skimped on capacitors like most budget computer companies; case by case solution but assuming you have a computer that supports iommu always running, pass a network card and virtualize! less one device, and pfsense!
These are all home routers. They get the job done but are not very efficient or secure. If you want something higher end you have to get a professional router.
I doesn't have half the features or security that pf sense does
agreed :)
In the future you might wanna block your MAC address for security
Enterprises in America trust American companies with their sensitive data. Companies like HP, Cisco, and Ubiquiti too.
TP Link is 100% Chinese.
So what is better, TP Link or Ubiquiti?
Ur sure? Tplink is from china. I thought ur from the US
That was a long wordy video.
Good..I was worried it was too short :)