Made my blood boil. How dare he do this! I wont go into the hypocrisy let alone that's it's incredibly patronizing. It was never, nor ever was going to be, problematic. He was encased in a life support system which was part prototype Dalek. People can be good or evil regardless of their physical state anyway. This was the start of the brutal changes that he then went into make for the last series. He lost me at that point and I'm absolutely sure he doesn't care either. A supreme example of woke ideology gone mad. He's unnecessary killed a fantastic character like he's killing the show.
I'm sorry but you can no longer imagine yourself as a maniacal scientific genius creating a race of angry pepper pots to take over the universe. Know your place! 🙃
He said at the time that people had been nasty to wheelchair users because of Davros. His words were "trust me, it's happened". That was it though, he provided no evidence, as he always does. It was a total lie and he ruined not just one of the best Doctor Who villains, but one of the best sci fi villains ever. It's not Davros and it never will be.
Well said. RTD in fact frequently uses language with the same meaning/intention where he is saying that we should trust and believe in him. I don't! His language is almost that of a ‘wanna’ be dictatorship. He seems to want greater power and influence to preach his agenda, and he is very demeaning to anyone who makes the slightest criticism; akin to stifling free speech and is both dangerous and corrupt. The reason why is because it boils down to RTD wanting to be both a massive cultural/political influencer and a gain strong hold and control over as many people as he can. It really is nasty stuff. It may seem not that big a deal but with individuals like RTD they are capable of great harm through their excessive behaviours and need for attention.
What do you call a little girl in a wheelchair with learning difficulties, Russell? Whatever her name is, Russell. Some perspective from someone who has a disabled sibling and through that has known many others like her for my entire life. While disabled people do often require assistance and consideration and appreciate it, as a rule they really don't like being regarded as lesser, fragile or victims. In particular they don't like people who seem to have very little understanding of them speaking for them - in that respect they're no different from anyone else. This struck me at the time as someone with limited experience of a certain group of people presuming to stand up for them (pun intended) against a problem that largely exists in his own limited head.
😂 Fantastic, it's great watching this, hindsight a wonderful thing. Cracking views by all the panel and for me all correct. I'm not pandering at all. One character change seems to be the future mindset and a Jenga block pulled will bring this house of cards down. To alter Davros at this stage fundamentally changes it all and a backbone character of the Daleks with it. As the panel said, P.D. in particular Davros, through his accident and want for survival designed his life support machine. By this utilising this design to create the Daleks and the only logical step, in his eyes, for the future of the Kaleds. It's an established fact well to us fans. RTD in his hast to suit too many fingers in the pie ( or is it him? ) has brought the walls tumbling down. He must realise it, if so that's disgusting for Dr Who's legacy. Some will say it's only a show no biggy, I like many have investment in this, money, time spent. He is a custodian or maybe it's all about the message and how he looks. I think personally he is on a figurative life support system, time will tell when the plug is pulled. Thanks from the past panel. 😊
I've been a bit alienated from the world of Who since early Capaldi because the quality of the scripts just finally ground me down. Now I've been dipping back in with brief youtube vids and discovering what's been going on. Davros can now walk, Ncuti Gatwa hates the fans and his Doctor cries a lot, Sutekh looks about as scary as Sweep from Sooty and Sweep. Now I honestly think I'm better off redefining myself as Classic Who fan, not a general Who fan and just staying away .
Peter Capaldi had easily the best writing since Christopher Ecclestone. Give those scripts to John Hurt with only minor changes, like taking out the guitar and sonic sunglasses (replace them with reading glasses), and the era would have been outright fantastic. The problem is that Peter Capaldi was trying WAY too hard to be dark, mysterious and mature to the point where he missed the mark of what he intended to do. He came across as a whiny, pretentious, sociopathic teenager trying to impress a girl he liked whilst pretending that he found her repulsive. Capaldi outright stated that he did NOT intend to come across as being attracted to Clara since Jenna Coleman's young enough to be his daughter and he found it creepy. But lines like "beat that for a date", which Tom Baker would have delivered with the same matter-of-fact and asexual vibe of "you're a beautiful woman, probably", came across as Capaldi wanting to get Clara in his bed. Put John Hurt in there and none of that sexual tension would have been present. Hurt could hang out with Billie Piper while she was outright flirting with him and still seem completely asexual. He was closer to William Hartnell and Jon Pertwee, two Doctor's that Peter Capaldi was clearly TRYING to emulate whereas Hurt just did it naturally.
"Stewardship" is the perfect word for what a lot of the current crop of people working on these legacy shows and franchises seem to not understand. They are not the creators, but are there to carry these shows forward and respecting the work of those before them.
What will RTD do next? Ban the Cybermen because they use prosthetic limbs? I always saw Davros as someone who prolonged his life with his life support machine rather than a wheelchair user. RTD sees problems where there aren’t any. As a child I always thought Davros was trying to be like his creations. RTD and Bad Wolf are taking everything that worked in Classic Who and discarding it. Great video.
As a disabled person in insulted. Not just because it suggests the disable aren't 'able' to be evil. Also it is insulting to our intelligence when a disabled man can suddenly be cured without explanation... and grow legs back... Talk about giving people a unachievable expectation!
Identity politics at its most heinous. "Ooh, look at me! Look at what I can do!" Meanwhile, a friend of mine - wheelchair-reliant, due to MS - finds it, understandably, patronising.
this is another example of why I don't follow this shitshow. I watched this minisode and to me this is Davros pre accident. End of. If I followed all the sh*t that is flung around now about Doctor Who, I could get quite angry, but I've got better things to do with my time.
The tragedy for Russell Davies is that he DID bring the Doctor and his values back only to then triple down on the Chibnall awfulness and reduce the show to this current dross.Poor decision piles on poor decision until his defensiveness borders on aggression and arrogance.I feel sorry for the man but I also feel the loss of one of fiction’s great characters whom I have loved since I was a small child. To continue to build on the unsound foundations of Chibnall indicates a huge lack of judgment.Rest the Doctor and take a leaf out of the book of the Curators of Bond,Holmes and Batman. Secure the brilliance of the past to better build for a future return and bin the crap that we have had post Capaldi.
I do not feel sorry for RTD: He must have known what people think of Chibnall's ruinous changes but still went ahead with the "current day" type scripts. He is doing exactly what Hollywood has done and, just as they have done serious damage to IPs, he has done the same to Dr Who on top of Chibnall efforts. The far left (which the BBC & Disney are without doubt) have always accused others of appropriation but they just love to do exactly the same to anything Euro/UK centric. Utter hypocrites.
@@jimhillis3745 I have no sympathy for him, he knew what he was doing, he's not stupid. I do feel desperately sad that this charlatan has ruined the show.
As far as I'm concerned, RTD is doing nothing but pure projection. He 'claim's we think this, we think that, we the other... but I don't know a single person who ever thought "wheelchair = evil". The first and only time I've heard this connection is direct from RTD telling us what he THINKS we think. The man is an absolute gimp. I work with adults & children with disabilities, some of whom are DW fans. Not once have any of them spoken out about this issue. And as for Davros himself, I didn't even associate his portable life-support unit as a wheelchair. It was a weapons unit, a life support, portability and so much more. I always figured as more ideas came to the writers, there would be more revealed about the dalek-skirt portion of Davros. In addition, now they've undone the prosthetics of Davros and retained a standard human face - having new actors play the role means we (the viewers) will now have to work out who is the boss.. up until now though, we knew at a glance who Davros was.
My reasoning behind the newer doctor who is that Peter Capaldi's doctor actually died in his last episode, and the last 2 doctors are hallucinations of a dying brain trying to reason a way to continue living and what it would be like. His brain runs so fast that it processed the last 2 seasons in the moments before his death. I believe that eventually, he will come to realize that death is the better option then these last 2 imagined regenerations.
Davies is unhinged. I don't say that as a disgruntled fan, reaching for the nearest available pejorative hyperbole. No, I literally mean that the man running the current era of Doctor Who is not in his, or anyone's, right mind. Many thanks, Brendan, happy honeymooning and all the best for now. Paul
@@noblerees1 I'd just like to add, my family was involved with a charity that had many kids that used wheelchairs and I never once heard of any of them being bullied in the way RTD asserts.
Rather than get rid of a disabled villain, could we not have a disabled incarnation of the Doctor? I think there's a really strong storyline that could be explored in that. We've already had a short time with a blind Doctor, which shows this approach has some merit. If this wouldn't work for them, it shows that this move was just empty virtue signalling.
This is why I never watched the new series, even though I was keen on seeing how Ncuti Gatwa would be in the main role. I just can't do it anymore. And I was never that fond of RTD as a showrunner. He makes decisions that are actively hostile to fans of the Classic Series, and he always has. He turned it into a sci fi version of Harry Potter with magic sonic screwdriver wands. As far as I'm concerned, Dr. Who died with Capaldi. It was great in 2005. It was great at first in 2010 with Matt Smith, but Steven Moffat has his own faults and the show became very patchy with him. I don't think this is a show that translates as well to 21st century pop culture if you try to "modernise" it.
I hate the nu who Davros anyway - they used the MASSIVE Dalek base for his chariot and it looks ridiculous. I don't even think the Genesis original is a large as the conventional sized Daleks. Don't even start me on "He kept his eyes closed all the time" and" he can be lifted from the chariot with no ill effects. MOFFAT is responsible for this idea that he's just a man who's lost his legs.
I know it's not the same, but I have Dyspraxia, like Ryan , in Jodie's era. In theory, I should have been jumping up and down when they included a character with Dyspraxia but he was so dull, and it was patronising. Yes, he had trouble learning to ride a bike. So did I and you know what that's one of the last images we see of him after all his adventures, he can now ride a bike. Whoopee, well, that's a development. I want to be more than the fact that I'm a bit clumsy and uncoordinated, but partly due to bad writing and partly bad acting, he was such a boring character. If he was witty and clever and had Dyspraxia as well that's fine, or he's a techy nerd who can help the Doctor fine but he was just a guy who didn't get on with Graham and had Dyspraxia and that's about it.
Children in need is just a big sham for celebrities to show off and get a pat on the back. If they really want to raise money for charity, they should stick their hands in their own rich pockets first before making a fool out of beloved franchise's.
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I've stopped caring as RTD will be gone after season 2 and so will Doctor Who. Enjoy the classic stuff on DVD and ignore this tripe.
Made my blood boil. How dare he do this! I wont go into the hypocrisy let alone that's it's incredibly patronizing. It was never, nor ever was going to be, problematic. He was encased in a life support system which was part prototype Dalek. People can be good or evil regardless of their physical state anyway. This was the start of the brutal changes that he then went into make for the last series. He lost me at that point and I'm absolutely sure he doesn't care either. A supreme example of woke ideology gone mad. He's unnecessary killed a fantastic character like he's killing the show.
As a disabled person I find this very insulting
I'm sorry but you can no longer imagine yourself as a maniacal scientific genius creating a race of angry pepper pots to take over the universe.
Know your place! 🙃
This is a point I agree on, he should not have done this to Davros.
White Knighting of the worst kind.
R.IP Terry nation would be rolling in his grave
@@catherinejames2739 Agreed with both of you.
He said at the time that people had been nasty to wheelchair users because of Davros. His words were "trust me, it's happened". That was it though, he provided no evidence, as he always does. It was a total lie and he ruined not just one of the best Doctor Who villains, but one of the best sci fi villains ever. It's not Davros and it never will be.
Well said. RTD in fact frequently uses language with the same meaning/intention where he is saying that we should trust and believe in him. I don't!
His language is almost that of a ‘wanna’ be dictatorship. He seems to want greater power and influence to preach his agenda, and he is very demeaning to anyone who makes the slightest criticism; akin to stifling free speech and is both dangerous and corrupt. The reason why is because it boils down to RTD wanting to be both a massive cultural/political influencer and a gain strong hold and control over as many people as he can. It really is nasty stuff. It may seem not that big a deal but with individuals like RTD they are capable of great harm through their excessive behaviours and need for attention.
What do you call a little girl in a wheelchair with learning difficulties, Russell? Whatever her name is, Russell. Some perspective from someone who has a disabled sibling and through that has known many others like her for my entire life. While disabled people do often require assistance and consideration and appreciate it, as a rule they really don't like being regarded as lesser, fragile or victims. In particular they don't like people who seem to have very little understanding of them speaking for them - in that respect they're no different from anyone else. This struck me at the time as someone with limited experience of a certain group of people presuming to stand up for them (pun intended) against a problem that largely exists in his own limited head.
😂 Fantastic, it's great watching this, hindsight a wonderful thing.
Cracking views by all the panel and for me all correct. I'm not pandering at all. One character change seems to be the future mindset and a Jenga block pulled will bring this house of cards down.
To alter Davros at this stage fundamentally changes it all and a backbone character of the Daleks with it. As the panel said, P.D. in particular Davros, through his accident and want for survival designed his life support machine. By this utilising this design to create the Daleks and the only logical step, in his eyes, for the future of the Kaleds. It's an established fact well to us fans.
RTD in his hast to suit too many fingers in the pie ( or is it him? ) has brought the walls tumbling down. He must realise it, if so that's disgusting for Dr Who's legacy. Some will say it's only a show no biggy, I like many have investment in this, money, time spent. He is a custodian or maybe it's all about the message and how he looks. I think personally he is on a figurative life support system, time will tell when the plug is pulled.
Thanks from the past panel. 😊
The jenga analogy works🧢well as an argument
I've been a bit alienated from the world of Who since early Capaldi because the quality of the scripts just finally ground me down. Now I've been dipping back in with brief youtube vids and discovering what's been going on. Davros can now walk, Ncuti Gatwa hates the fans and his Doctor cries a lot, Sutekh looks about as scary as Sweep from Sooty and Sweep. Now I honestly think I'm better off redefining myself as Classic Who fan, not a general Who fan and just staying away .
@psantini2968 I agree with you. Although there were some good Capaldi episodes.
Peter Capaldi had easily the best writing since Christopher Ecclestone. Give those scripts to John Hurt with only minor changes, like taking out the guitar and sonic sunglasses (replace them with reading glasses), and the era would have been outright fantastic.
The problem is that Peter Capaldi was trying WAY too hard to be dark, mysterious and mature to the point where he missed the mark of what he intended to do. He came across as a whiny, pretentious, sociopathic teenager trying to impress a girl he liked whilst pretending that he found her repulsive. Capaldi outright stated that he did NOT intend to come across as being attracted to Clara since Jenna Coleman's young enough to be his daughter and he found it creepy. But lines like "beat that for a date", which Tom Baker would have delivered with the same matter-of-fact and asexual vibe of "you're a beautiful woman, probably", came across as Capaldi wanting to get Clara in his bed.
Put John Hurt in there and none of that sexual tension would have been present. Hurt could hang out with Billie Piper while she was outright flirting with him and still seem completely asexual. He was closer to William Hartnell and Jon Pertwee, two Doctor's that Peter Capaldi was clearly TRYING to emulate whereas Hurt just did it naturally.
Back in 96 there was a clip of a revamped Dalek for the mooted series after the Movie. It was not met with a positive reception!
Have a wonderful holiday Brendan and Jamie. 🎉 ⛱️ 🌴
Thanks Peter 👍🏼👋🏼
"Stewardship" is the perfect word for what a lot of the current crop of people working on these legacy shows and franchises seem to not understand. They are not the creators, but are there to carry these shows forward and respecting the work of those before them.
He seems to have forgotten about characters like Ironside and Professor X.
and what about John Lumic from Rise of the Cybermen?
@@keithsolley excellent point! What it boils down to is, Davies is a hyppocrite and a liar.
All successful iconic characters
@@noblerees1 definitely, and no one complained about them!
What will RTD do next? Ban the Cybermen because they use prosthetic limbs? I always saw Davros as someone who prolonged his life with his life support machine rather than a wheelchair user. RTD sees problems where there aren’t any. As a child I always thought Davros was trying to be like his creations. RTD and Bad Wolf are taking everything that worked in Classic Who and discarding it. Great video.
As a disabled person in insulted. Not just because it suggests the disable aren't 'able' to be evil. Also it is insulting to our intelligence when a disabled man can suddenly be cured without explanation... and grow legs back... Talk about giving people a unachievable expectation!
Spot-on!
Identity politics at its most heinous. "Ooh, look at me! Look at what I can do!" Meanwhile, a friend of mine - wheelchair-reliant, due to MS - finds it, understandably, patronising.
It’s totally patronising
@@markandresen1 Not in a wheelchair but still disabled
@@catherinejames2739 I have several conditions that are life restricting
@@Farsight-nc1ib Same. I wonder how RTD would ret-con these.
@@catherinejames2739 Sorry to hear that, Catherine. I wish you well.
What's next....Darth Vader without the mask because we can't portray asthmatics as evil?
Good one
🤣
I guess Captain Pike must be super problematic for these people.
this is another example of why I don't follow this shitshow. I watched this minisode and to me this is Davros pre accident. End of. If I followed all the sh*t that is flung around now about Doctor Who, I could get quite angry, but I've got better things to do with my time.
The tragedy for Russell Davies is that he DID bring the Doctor and his values back only to then triple down on the Chibnall awfulness and reduce the show to this current dross.Poor decision piles on poor decision until his defensiveness borders on aggression and arrogance.I feel sorry for the man but I also feel the loss of one of fiction’s great characters whom I have loved since I was a small child. To continue to build on the unsound foundations of Chibnall indicates a huge lack of judgment.Rest the Doctor and take a leaf out of the book of the Curators of Bond,Holmes and Batman.
Secure the brilliance of the past to better build for a future return and bin the crap that we have had post Capaldi.
Wise words. Stop digging. Just rest it
I do not feel sorry for RTD: He must have known what people think of Chibnall's ruinous changes but still went ahead with the "current day" type scripts. He is doing exactly what Hollywood has done and, just as they have done serious damage to IPs, he has done the same to Dr Who on top of Chibnall efforts.
The far left (which the BBC & Disney are without doubt) have always accused others of appropriation but they just love to do exactly the same to anything Euro/UK centric. Utter hypocrites.
@@jimhillis3745 I have no sympathy for him, he knew what he was doing, he's not stupid. I do feel desperately sad that this charlatan has ruined the show.
Star Trek- Strange New Worlds had no problem portraying the disabled Captain Pike in his life support chair, so what’s the difference?
Outstanding point
Because Pike is a good character so it subverts the "trope". Same reason he feels he can have Ruth Madeley and Lenny Rush as UNIT Scientific Advisers.
As far as I'm concerned, RTD is doing nothing but pure projection. He 'claim's we think this, we think that, we the other... but I don't know a single person who ever thought "wheelchair = evil". The first and only time I've heard this connection is direct from RTD telling us what he THINKS we think. The man is an absolute gimp. I work with adults & children with disabilities, some of whom are DW fans. Not once have any of them spoken out about this issue.
And as for Davros himself, I didn't even associate his portable life-support unit as a wheelchair. It was a weapons unit, a life support, portability and so much more. I always figured as more ideas came to the writers, there would be more revealed about the dalek-skirt portion of Davros. In addition, now they've undone the prosthetics of Davros and retained a standard human face - having new actors play the role means we (the viewers) will now have to work out who is the boss.. up until now though, we knew at a glance who Davros was.
He is over thinking issues irrelevant to the success of the programme and failing to think deeply about issues that do
Really, I always thought RTD was an out of touch pillock.
What next Dleks with legs
Don’t give him ideas
My reasoning behind the newer doctor who is that Peter Capaldi's doctor actually died in his last episode, and the last 2 doctors are hallucinations of a dying brain trying to reason a way to continue living and what it would be like. His brain runs so fast that it processed the last 2 seasons in the moments before his death. I believe that eventually, he will come to realize that death is the better option then these last 2 imagined regenerations.
Davies is unhinged.
I don't say that as a disgruntled fan, reaching for the nearest available pejorative hyperbole. No, I literally mean that the man running the current era of Doctor Who is not in his, or anyone's, right mind.
Many thanks, Brendan, happy honeymooning and all the best for now.
Paul
He shows no rational or logical thinking
I hate the NEW Davros. And don't start me on the "Sonic Screwdriver" which looks like a pot holder.
Oh yes - the sonic screwdriver is a lethal weapon nonsense
Newsflash, Cybermen are banned from the show as their exoskeletons are offensive to people with callipers.
We do have a Cybermen special
Coming next Sunday
@@noblerees1 I'll be watching! I swear he'll mess with them next😭
@@noblerees1 I'd just like to add, my family was involved with a charity that had many kids that used wheelchairs and I never once heard of any of them being bullied in the way RTD asserts.
@@Farsight-nc1ib What about the fish people in the underwater menace. Is he going to do anything to them?
@@catherinejames2739 Yikes! I dunno, not sure I want to go down this rabbit hole!
Rather than get rid of a disabled villain, could we not have a disabled incarnation of the Doctor? I think there's a really strong storyline that could be explored in that.
We've already had a short time with a blind Doctor, which shows this approach has some merit.
If this wouldn't work for them, it shows that this move was just empty virtue signalling.
I was OUT at #Davrosgate
Good to see you Lee
@@noblerees1 likewise, kind sir!
Didn't RTD dump all the Egyptian stuff re Sutekh?
That's a good point...never noticed.
Yep and turned him into one of panthain of discourse yet again RTD has thrown great’70’s storyline into the bin
This is why I never watched the new series, even though I was keen on seeing how Ncuti Gatwa would be in the main role. I just can't do it anymore. And I was never that fond of RTD as a showrunner. He makes decisions that are actively hostile to fans of the Classic Series, and he always has. He turned it into a sci fi version of Harry Potter with magic sonic screwdriver wands. As far as I'm concerned, Dr. Who died with Capaldi.
It was great in 2005. It was great at first in 2010 with Matt Smith, but Steven Moffat has his own faults and the show became very patchy with him. I don't think this is a show that translates as well to 21st century pop culture if you try to "modernise" it.
The Harry Potter point is apt as Rowling will not change her original stories but just add more quality / he just adapts, ruins, changes
Frankly, I'll just stick with classic Who. RTD's first era is massively overrated anyway.
So the Daleks are disabled as well so if he uses the Daleks on the show it will be wrong
I hate the nu who Davros anyway - they used the MASSIVE Dalek base for his chariot and it looks ridiculous.
I don't even think the Genesis original is a large as the conventional sized Daleks.
Don't even start me on "He kept his eyes closed all the time" and" he can be lifted from the chariot with no ill effects.
MOFFAT is responsible for this idea that he's just a man who's lost his legs.
Yes Davros was given sight by Moffat - I hated that
I know it's not the same, but I have Dyspraxia, like Ryan , in Jodie's era. In theory, I should have been jumping up and down when they included a character with Dyspraxia but he was so dull, and it was patronising. Yes, he had trouble learning to ride a bike. So did I and you know what that's one of the last images we see of him after all his adventures, he can now ride a bike. Whoopee, well, that's a development. I want to be more than the fact that I'm a bit clumsy and uncoordinated, but partly due to bad writing and partly bad acting, he was such a boring character. If he was witty and clever and had Dyspraxia as well that's fine, or he's a techy nerd who can help the Doctor fine but he was just a guy who didn't get on with Graham and had Dyspraxia and that's about it.
It’s a very good point
Why couldn’t Davros have a romance? Some one must love him exactly how he is!
Children in need is just a big sham for celebrities to show off and get a pat on the back. If they really want to raise money for charity, they should stick their hands in their own rich pockets first before making a fool out of beloved franchise's.
Virtue signalling jamboree for the celebs - not the little people
@@noblerees1 I'll be willing to bet that the amount they raise isn't even the real total either. They lie about everything.
Yes I think it is confected nonsense
My thoughts on R.T. Davis take on Davros is in danger of getting censored by TH-cam, so you can guess what I think.