Can we stop this "haha introverts don't want to be seen" thing? Like especially right now having a webcam is kind of necessary. Even outside of online meetings they can be used to video call parents or children and whatnot. Plus introversion isn't supposed to mean recluse. Introverts can party and be social too, it's just that they also need their alone time in between events.
@@NiSE_Rafter Relax a bit. I'm pretty introverted myself, plus the kind off privacy advocate with four different cookie and add blockers installed, and I thoroughly appreciate the "I don't have a webcam at home and do not plan to buy one" excuse remote work provided me with.
@@reeven1721 Sorry if I came off as antagonistic, guess I should have had coffee or something this morning before writing comments lol. I'm also introverted and I guess I was just tired of seeing people say this stuff because I used to before I broadened the groups of people I spent time with. Like I pretty much never use the front camera on my phone, which is also usually mentioned in this same context, but every once in a while it's nice to have the option. That said, I'm glad you've been able to get out of having to have one on at work. Unfortunately for me, I'm a student and some of my professors force us to use them during class and exams. Hope you have a good day :)
@@NiSE_Rafter It's OK, I didn't mean to come off as aggressive either. Sometimes it is indeed nice or necessary to talk face to face. I just find "I litteraly don't have one" is a nice last resort trump card to have handy for someone who's determined not to be on camera. It definitely would not be a deal breaker for me when picking a laptop. More of a perk, really.
Ordered one today not for gaming but programming! Will be running all sort of stuffs like kubernetes, docker, wsl, databases, building java apps, angular apps, running android emulator and loads of apps altogether! So excited! Great review by the way.
I bought this laptop a month ago (i7-11370h + rtx 3060) and it's a beast. I know in multitask wise it's not a game breaker, but it's an amazing option if you want a working and gaming station and you need this portability. Futhermore, this cpu and gpu it's more convenient, because the bottleneck situations are less frequent in gaming.
Thanks bruh ....Hi bro i just got this laptop with i71130 rtx 3050. ...how much fps will this give me in far cry 6 , assasin valhalal , call of duty modern walfare , gta 5 , rdr2....please need answer
Watching this and comparing it to Linus's video really drives the point that you can't purchase these laptops based off specs whatsoever and you need to look at 3rd party reviews for each individual laptop before purchasing. His 3070 laptop had significantly better performance then last gens mobile 2080super meanwhile this laptops 3070 trails behind a 2070super in some cases....
@@Simon_is_not_sure To be honest I don't think so you'll find a lot of difference practically on using either machines in the long term except from the performance standpoint. Yes, there are things you'll be giving away on either of the devices. But that's the case with every product.
I bought the 3070 F15 , it was definetly the best laptop that i could buy for the price where i was, so many are overpriced just for more storage or maybe the brand. In terms of review, i can see why it may be lacking in some games but i still play most game son ultra (hogwart legacy) or high ( ark survial evolved) , even with cyberpunk ( no Raytracing while i put my 4K monitor but on the laptop monitor raytracing is okay). In term of battery life , i don't think it can hold that long while gaming and the screen kinda lacks brightness if you play next to a window ( i had that problem in the train lol). i bought an external storage since i have a 512gb version and a cooling pad for extra wind , i felt the heat was getting a bit high while playing for a few hours. I know the limits of this laptop , i know that the lack of cores are a thing but i still never had regrets and i had it for 1 year and a half now.
1 min in and i can tell this should be a good review, I love hearing the downsides. Everyone knows most products are mostly great, its the bad stuff that matters
While it does suck to see a 3070 perform lower than a 2070 laptop, the price difference of almost $1000 in most cases is pretty insane for the "budget" laptops we might see soon. Very interesting time for laptops coming up.
it's more about how the GPU is built into the laptop. Nvidia just makes the chips of the GPU that is the actual power, proving the big new difference and research technology to show that a new generation kinda thing
not having a webcam is a huge disappointment for me. I was ACTUALLY considering this laptop after I saw the insane battery life of 15 hours, but no webcam, like you said is a deal breaker. Thanks for a professional, in-depth review!
I heard that OEMs do surveys and the overall take is that 60-70% of users do not use their webcam, most tape over it. I do not use mine and the professionals I know use their own webcam or phone so they can choose what they want (and they are relatively cheap). I find it crazy that a webcam would be a deal-breaker on a laptop bearing in mind the alternatives, especially a mid-range one like this that has to cut back in places to get to that price point! It is like cutting off your nose to spite your face!
@@andyH_England I love videochatting to my relatives and friends(not to mention co-workers) on my laptop, and doing that is extremely uncomfortable on a phone that has a tiny screen and that I have to hold in my hands all the time, it's just super annoying. And using an external one for a laptop would be annoying as well. It's a fricken mobile device which should have it included, why do I even have to connect an external one? It feels like regress in technologies just like Nvidia going back to M GPU-s for laptops in this generation. webcams are dirt cheap for them to include in the laptop itself, so cheap that it costs nothing to the end consumer, so it's nothing but their greed that's playing here.
I really appreciate your reviews and the thorough testing you do. You saved me from buying this laptop! Looking for a best-bang-for buck but powerful portable desktop. The low TDP just don't cut it, even as a gaming laptop IMO!
Stunning review! Asus really lost me this gen with the no-camera laptops. I like how they take chances with design, but boy do they miss the point at times.
@@khangle6872 Indeed, I have the original gangster Asus Rog Zephyrus from that era. It has a cam in the top bezel. I just upgraded from the Asus this year and went with Gigabyte over Asus mainly due to this lack of camera. Webcam over AMD CPU. Laptops are first and foremost about versatility. I can live with a slight loss in performance over the best CPU but not without a camera built in.
@@mohammadabd-elmoniem1992 in my country 1100-1200$ laptops cost around 1400-1600€ so i am already paying more than i should... so i expect the bare minimum i mean its ok i wont be buying the TUF Dash but i will be buying the regular ASUS TUF A15 model
The Dash is the cheapest gaming entry of Asus. There are other models with cams and as a reply mentioned. If you plug in your own, you get to choose the quality and it usually costs less than a laptop model that costs more.
@@mohammadabd-elmoniem1992 if I want to quickly go somewhere I don't want to worry about packing the webcam in my bag too. And setting the phone as webcam is a hassle. Especially in a video conference age. Asus saved maybe $2 on a webcam per laptop and lost over $300k in income from potential buyers
I got this laptop for an on-the-go gaming laptop that can also do basic tasks. I got the RTX 3060 144hz variant. This laptop was everything I could have hoped for, for the money I put down and the gaming experience I get from it. I watched many review videos before buying and after and most of them say avoid which if you are a gaming nerd who only cares about maximum specs you might wanna go for an AMD CPU but the combo they have in this Dash TUF F15 works perfectly for me. Overall I upgraded the ram to 40GB and storage to 2TB and I can run almost any game on ultra at 60FPS with no drops NO Problem. (in silent mode, not performance or turbo) heavy games like Cyberpunk and similar games Chugg slightly but putting it on turbo mode solves this problem. So unless you are looking for top-of-the-line performance for your money then look elsewhere but for an all-around quality laptop pic this, in my opinion.
Yer I learned the hard way on my last laptop, never knew the power would drop by half without a plug, reviewers should be doing benchmarks without a plug in there reviews, not much of a laptop if you need a plug
Here the thing. Nice review and it makes sense to test it with 1080p because the display can't use higher ones. But you should have tested higher resolutions on an external display as well. Especially against the older versions. On the other hand, if Non-eSportler can't use the most of the graphics power, it's either the wrong display or the wrong GPU for this display.
Def a hard pass, gaming laptop. Would be interesting to see AMD in the CPU to see if their mobility chips could make the 3070 not suck. I mean seriously I can't think of a reason to buy this laptop because the CPU is just beating down the entire value.
yeah. Pretty lame. I think manufacturers are glad the shortage is driving up demand. They will sell a ton of these units even though they underperform.
considering the best they could manage with a 4800 was a 80w 1660ti or 80w 2060(with 20ms 120hz panel)....prob up to their willingness to provide better cooling. I mean FK asus bought up all the 4900 bins........and crapped out the zeph 14....with a 20ms 120hz panel with like 63% rgb. and a 65w 2060....not to mention the cpu prob ran at 35w too in games so all the HYPE for the 4900hs as a gaming chip is MOOT and just marketing bs. Since it can be used for workloads sure...but sold as a gaming solution is pretty bs if intel hits 5ghz for cs go or etc. valorant. or at least tries to with max performance profile and fan settings....and zeph owners be like "Its cooler" than the TUF ryzen laptops...not even realizing some have 115w 2060s.....that wont/just cant.
whats sad is gaming with a cpu at 65w=gpu bottleneck by basisc princple of how laptops perform thermally. 35-40w....actually yields better fps and gpu utilization...in regards to intel strictly....at least in my desktop case.....the more powerful the cpu with AMD etc....and powerful gpu...you actually see more core/thread utilization....5900x with entry gpu vs ampere 3070 strix= more core utilization. This is quite sad.....since intel tries to go "Turbo" it actually bottlenecks GPU. LUL. TF. Its like taking steps back...just bc it has a cinebench/geekbench etc...."benchmarking mode" as i call the 65w cpu....for doing score based benchmarks like cinebench or etc...they did this to compete not only with zen3...but the apple chip....its a gimmicky bs concept that ruins the gaming experience.
@@AjeroZ The problem comes when you give lots of watts to the CPU. This laptop is giving lots of power to the CPU, which doesn't leave much for the GPU (3070). You only have so much power in a laptop, and most CPUs in laptops run between 35watts and 45watts, which gives more head room for the GPU to draw power. A good wattage for the 3000 series GPUs in laptops would be around 115watts to 125watts but higher is better (High as it can go as seen at 1:30). So just look at what watts your GPU is running at and you should be able to tell how well it will run. Given the right power, the new GPUs will definitly be better then last gen. But maybe not enough to spend that much if you have a good one from last gen.
Had the same issue buying the Lenovo Legion 5. I would have liked the 17 inch for the SD card slot, but for some reason the 17 inch used an 88 watt 2060 vs. the 115 watt in the 15 inch, so I bought the 15 inch instead. I'll use a dongle if I need to. And the only reason I knew was thanks to Reddit
@@SYmotgang Exactly what I was thinking. I would love to know what Lenovo's thinking was there. If they can repeat what they did with the 4th gen CPU's, the Legion 5 is one of the best to get. I'm just happy to see that they're not limiting option this time. Best you could get was the 2060, now you'll be able to get a 3080. Hopefully 32GB becomes an option rather than maxing out at 16GB.
I love the tuf series, have the previous model with 1660ti and i think i have to agree with you on pairing the cpu with crippled intel tigerlake… but the form factor is a great upgrade
@@nikkosr888 Buy the laptop with the highest end I7 - I9 with a intel integrated GPU, then an external GPU in an enclosure. The performance is almost as good as a desktop, and the heating/throttling issues go away. Either that or buy both a desktop and a laptop, for mobile. It still costs the same if you need both.
The RTX 3060 seems like the sweet spot for price/performance, but I would have to imagine that the bottleneck, in this case, is the PCIe lanes, 4 cores ryzen 3100/3300 and i7-7700k performers better than this. Or maybe a firmware/drivers issue
Amazing, almost 18 min review and pretty much no full view of laptop but we had plenty of time to see this guy's face and gesturing hands, and the top left corner of the laptop! Why!
My wife got this laptop for £950 new from currys. I cant fault it, it plays all her games (world of warcraft) at full settings without any problems. The screen is awesome and its not to heavy to carry around. It looks stunning in white and is very well made. We are very happy with it.
Can't wait to see this compared to its brother, the TUF F15. I think in terms of fully gaming on the go with minimal weight this laptop, with RTX 3060 ofc, would make an exceptional laptops. Especially for students where battery life and gaming performance is somehow balanced in this small thin and light form factor. Considering they might not need a full 8c/16t for school tasks, I say the mid tier model will work fine for them. Sure there will be more powerful options within the same price point, but unless they like lugging around 3 kilos worth of weight every school day, I don't think it's a bad option in my opinion.
@@Thor_Asgard_ Like it or not, DLSS and Raytracing are slowly becoming important, so improved tensor cores are nice. In addition, the "Dynamic Boost 2.0" is quite a good feature, especially for gaming
What is the main differences between this laptop asus dash f15- 3070 and asus strix G513 3070-Amd 5800 ? Is the higher price for strix a good value? Thanks for your great video
Eber, please do a similar review on the MSI GP66 Leopard 3070 laptop - its pretty much the direct competitor to this model, and it would be great to see how it compares!
@@MaxGalitsyn - Except the ASUS has a massively reduced TDP version of the 3070, meaning the performance of the two are completely different. There’s more difference in performance between the Leopard and the Dash with the same card, than there is between the Leopard and a laptop with a 3080 in it.
I really liked the video. I was looking forward to getting this laptop, but I live in Mexico and it is really disappointing seeing the difference in prices, a 1,400 USD laptop commonly sells here for 2000 USD.
The fact that Asus has switched the cpus of all of their new gaming laptops to AMD except this one, and this one being a disappointment because the cpu doesn't cut it, should be a message to Intel. I've been an Intel kid for years; its unfortunate that they've fallen behind like this.
For the price i am seriously considering it. I don't care about the webcam and i love the slick form factor and the display, also battery life. Performance is enough for the price, sure the cpu is lackluster but i mean, look at how it is competing with laptops that still cost way more today. Forget about all specs and look at price to performance and then take into conaideration size, weight and battery life. Look pretty competitive to me I think i am pulling the trigger.
After almost a year of using it , I'd say it's perfect for its price, could run any game on ultra high graphics with good fps , and any editing app or something with good performance
@@AdamsOyifi the fan is loud when you're gaming but totally silent when you're just browsing or something, and you won't be able to hear the fan when you're gaming if you're wearing headphones (any type of headphones) And i think they delayed the whole 4000 serious but im not sure, and you should realize that every couple months there will be new laptops coming out so you can't just be waiting forever, I'd say if you like the laptop just buy it
Here are my thoughts: This is NOT a gaming laptop, even though it is advertised as one. Thunderbolt and slim factor make it ideal for work (which is what I am actually looking for), however the webcam is a bummer. It is not a tragic oversight as in the age of dongles, carrying a webcam doesn't seem so bad, but still :/ . Now as I mentioned - thunderbolt. AMD equipped machines don't have that, which for me is a deal breaker (again, work reasons). I am unsure at what power are the 2070 and 2080s in the reference laptops, but I'm almost certain they are way more than the 80W of the 3070. I view it as: if you want a slick and portable working machine, which can run a game in the lunch break..... buy the 3060 version, not this one, lol
Yes this laptop is perfect for people who work and wants to game on the side. I am a programmer and this is perfect with thunderbolt 4 support. Its work first, gaming second. Because why bother making it slim and light
I ordered a Gigabyte Aero 15 OLED with the RTX 3070 and Intel i7 10870H. I hope that with the Gigabyte's better thermals, 230W power supply, and faster CPU I'll see much better performance out of the RTX 3070. I have the same laptop with the RTX 2060 right now and it is pretty solid. We'll see...
Asus made a wrong call by using intel in their dash line-up, But on the bright side all their other top laptops use AMD, so can't really be mad at them...
Not really... AMD doesn't support Thunderbolt 4, so 2yrs max is what you get out of that AMD laptop... at least with Intel you can use TB4 and use a newer gen GPU and dock, and stretch that laptop another year or two.
Most def not. Its asus fault with a garbage design. Head over to jarrods tech, you can se other 3070 laptops perform faster than a 2080 super and 2080 desktop.
@@SYmotgang TUF series is entry-level, cheap-priced budget brand. Of course it wont perform as the aero or aorus. For that you would want to compare with Strix SCAR or Zephyrus
The Cuda Core cut explains what's up with the Manufacturing, they have less refined manufacturing process so it fails to make the whole die so they have to cut it down. Like last year they made a RTX 2060 KO from a cut down RTX 3080
Is the display fantastic though? The 144hz panel from last year was horrific.. Worse then some 60hz panels for pixel response times.. Be tempted for the 3060 model if the display isn't horrible like 2020 model.
I was on the verge oof buying this laptop, luckily I found your review before pulling the trigger, guess I'll keep looking for something that fully uses the graphics card
i think it makes sense and if the price is right, this kind of bottlenecks are not THAT bad, what do you think? I mean, that battery and form factor... I'm seriously wanting something like this, I don't want to regret if I buy it...
These laptops from AMD and intel are something else these days. I’m looking forward to more laptops with 1440p 120 FPS. I have a crazy idea. Why have laptop companies not thought about a feature on using laptops screens as a second monitor with an input feature?
the zephyrus g15...has 1440p...165hz....buywer beware....considering its a "smaller" form factor laptop by claims...even though it has a 16" panel....that aside i will be buying one to assess as a keep or return....If it can hit over 100w on gpu or they offer a 30-40 tdp cpu profile option(ill just get the mobile ryzen master if i have to) so i can push the gpu....bc my monitor is a 1440p ultrawide as well so that would pair nicely. Then if the mobo supports gen4 ssd...i can install a 2nd drive and windows pro on a gen4 drive as my boot drive.....and use the one it came with as a storage game drive etc. Ideally. Im gonna sell my 5900x 3070 strix system for it. I feel like ive built too much computer for my needs....also the asus g15....is adaptive sync.........so if its shoddy and crap AF....expect major overhshoot antighosting etc....and ghosting...as it shifts from refreshrates at 1440p In AAA games....since it will be 120fps at most and bouncing from 60...smh....it could be just as bad as their 20ms 120hz panels...as far as QOL to the end user Games where it would matter like Warzone or other demanding multiplayer games.
Very mixed bag. The GPU/CPU pairing is not a good match, but the battery life is impressive. The 3060 seems like it should be hindered less by the CPU. Would like to see basically the same laptop but with an AMD H series CPU. Not too concerned with the webcam, TBH. laptop webcams are in general awful, and it would add to the cost of the unit to put in one that supports Windows Hello, which is really the only reason to care about it. Since nobody's really going anywhere, this will likely spend any work time connected to a dock and full set of peripherals. That's where the TB port would shine, IMO. Using a removable webcam offers so much more flexibility, as well as better image quality and probably audio as well. The I/O seems very good. Kudos for the full size Ethernet port, as the dongle life is an avoidable nightmare.
i have an Asus ROG Zephyrus M laptop with an RTX 2060 gpu. so far what ive seen is these 3070 laptops do practically the same performance in games, and theyre nearly $1000 more expensive
Hey! Thanks for the video, i was just wondering if the tests were with the laptop plugged in or unplugged? If it was run unplugged would you get the best possible performance from the chips if they were plugged in as they are then fully powered?
Give a minute of how soothing this guy's voice is.
I fell asleep watching the review 😂
@@kirito5989 🤣 don't blame ya
Came for the review, stayed for the voice of this man.
I was thinking the same😆 he sounds really cool
@@karlviranian302 yup definitely
"Should you buy this laptop or not? Well, it's tough."
would be a great way to start of this video.
@@ruland39 Thanks for reiterating the pun :)
@@ruland39 lol
@@ruland39 no well it's rog tuf
It's *TUF* Dude
@@RSPAL-op7zr Tuff?
Oh, so that's why Dave's tube light in the background gone missing.
they stole it!
lol
lol i was wondering where they went
"No webcam is a deal breaker."
*Introverts:* "It's free real estate!"
FBI agent: Nooooooooo
Can we stop this "haha introverts don't want to be seen" thing? Like especially right now having a webcam is kind of necessary. Even outside of online meetings they can be used to video call parents or children and whatnot.
Plus introversion isn't supposed to mean recluse. Introverts can party and be social too, it's just that they also need their alone time in between events.
@@NiSE_Rafter Relax a bit. I'm pretty introverted myself, plus the kind off privacy advocate with four different cookie and add blockers installed, and I thoroughly appreciate the "I don't have a webcam at home and do not plan to buy one" excuse remote work provided me with.
@@reeven1721 Sorry if I came off as antagonistic, guess I should have had coffee or something this morning before writing comments lol. I'm also introverted and I guess I was just tired of seeing people say this stuff because I used to before I broadened the groups of people I spent time with. Like I pretty much never use the front camera on my phone, which is also usually mentioned in this same context, but every once in a while it's nice to have the option. That said, I'm glad you've been able to get out of having to have one on at work. Unfortunately for me, I'm a student and some of my professors force us to use them during class and exams.
Hope you have a good day :)
@@NiSE_Rafter It's OK, I didn't mean to come off as aggressive either. Sometimes it is indeed nice or necessary to talk face to face. I just find "I litteraly don't have one" is a nice last resort trump card to have handy for someone who's determined not to be on camera. It definitely would not be a deal breaker for me when picking a laptop. More of a perk, really.
Ordered one today not for gaming but programming! Will be running all sort of stuffs like kubernetes, docker, wsl, databases, building java apps, angular apps, running android emulator and loads of apps altogether! So excited! Great review by the way.
Fantastic job breaking down everything about this product, really enjoyed this 💜
Glad to see an honest review and explanation of how this works.
I bought this laptop a month ago (i7-11370h + rtx 3060) and it's a beast. I know in multitask wise it's not a game breaker, but it's an amazing option if you want a working and gaming station and you need this portability. Futhermore, this cpu and gpu it's more convenient, because the bottleneck situations are less frequent in gaming.
Is the laptop still working OK?
@@92JinKazama yes, like a beast
@@LuisCotelo Thanks man! Contemplating this as a purchase :)
Thanks bruh ....Hi bro i just got this laptop with i71130 rtx 3050. ...how much fps will this give me in far cry 6 , assasin valhalal , call of duty modern walfare , gta 5 , rdr2....please need answer
@@shashwatmali3640 in valhalla, high-superhigh at 1080p i'm getting around 65 fps. I havent tested the other games
we need a G15 and G14 (especially g14) reviews! great review as always!
we do
When will G14 come out this is getting frustrating
Nothing was lost that day...
Except performance...
Man hood
I got the 2022 model with i7 12650H CPU 10C/16T 45W limit. With RTX 3070 105W TGP and 16GB 8x2 RAM DDR5 4800mhz, this laptop is a beast.
did you notice any bottlenecks ? pls tell me because im gonna buy it too
Watching this and comparing it to Linus's video really drives the point that you can't purchase these laptops based off specs whatsoever and you need to look at 3rd party reviews for each individual laptop before purchasing. His 3070 laptop had significantly better performance then last gens mobile 2080super meanwhile this laptops 3070 trails behind a 2070super in some cases....
Tbh the 3060 in this laptop performs better I think as it have a higher hz and its goes up to 6 watts higher.
This with AMD - would immediately buy it
And that's the Zephyrus G14
@@ZeDarkLord not really - a inch difference and thought that the weight would be better on this
@@Simon_is_not_sure To be honest I don't think so you'll find a lot of difference practically on using either machines in the long term except from the performance standpoint. Yes, there are things you'll be giving away on either of the devices. But that's the case with every product.
@@ZeDarkLord Yea, that's guite true, but with a lot of work done on it, would be much more pleasant to have bigger screen
@@Simon_is_not_sure I agree, indeed. Check-out the G-15 then maybe? This time it's almost just like the G 14 but bigger.
you'll be thankful for those heat exhaust at the sides during winter.
I would love to see the results on the 3060 version, that one seems a bit more competitive
Is 27% off on amazon and I'm looking forward with yhat version ☺
The Intel 3060 version is definitely the better all round deal. In the UK you can currently pick one up for well under £1000.
@@grahamherbert3612 i goona buy this for 1200 usd its ok right?
I bought the 3070 F15 , it was definetly the best laptop that i could buy for the price where i was, so many are overpriced just for more storage or maybe the brand. In terms of review, i can see why it may be lacking in some games but i still play most game son ultra (hogwart legacy) or high ( ark survial evolved) , even with cyberpunk ( no Raytracing while i put my 4K monitor but on the laptop monitor raytracing is okay). In term of battery life , i don't think it can hold that long while gaming and the screen kinda lacks brightness if you play next to a window ( i had that problem in the train lol). i bought an external storage since i have a 512gb version and a cooling pad for extra wind , i felt the heat was getting a bit high while playing for a few hours.
I know the limits of this laptop , i know that the lack of cores are a thing but i still never had regrets and i had it for 1 year and a half now.
13:21 Dave2D be like 👀
1 min in and i can tell this should be a good review, I love hearing the downsides. Everyone knows most products are mostly great, its the bad stuff that matters
Oh really, they are calling that a RTX 3070? And not even 3070m ?
It's very cheeky and smart but idk I own a 2060 laptop got it a few months ago it performs well.
But I realllllly want a 3070(M)
Shameless Nvidia
@@skengblazerentertainment1358 i got a 2070 laptop in December 2019. Not worth upgrading to this generation
@@aaz1992 Alright cool I will just stick with it ig it runs fine anyway I just wanted the small fps boost but ig it's not really worth it thx
@@skengblazerentertainment1358 i have 2060 laptop too. I can play most game with high settings and still get 100+ FPS. That’s more than enough for me
While it does suck to see a 3070 perform lower than a 2070 laptop, the price difference of almost $1000 in most cases is pretty insane for the "budget" laptops we might see soon. Very interesting time for laptops coming up.
it's more about how the GPU is built into the laptop. Nvidia just makes the chips of the GPU that is the actual power, proving the big new difference and research technology to show that a new generation kinda thing
An excellent review. All the information I want to see, mostly the CPU and GPU power draw, which causes large variations in laptop performance.
I really like the surface of the keyboard when you open the laptop somehow it feels smooth, soothing, compact yet strong looking
The amount of analysis that goes into this… buying a laptop is way more confusing than it should be for the average person. Thanks for the review!
no 10 key breaks my heart... the search continues!!
not having a webcam is a huge disappointment for me. I was ACTUALLY considering this laptop after I saw the insane battery life of 15 hours, but no webcam, like you said is a deal breaker. Thanks for a professional, in-depth review!
I heard that OEMs do surveys and the overall take is that 60-70% of users do not use their webcam, most tape over it. I do not use mine and the professionals I know use their own webcam or phone so they can choose what they want (and they are relatively cheap). I find it crazy that a webcam would be a deal-breaker on a laptop bearing in mind the alternatives, especially a mid-range one like this that has to cut back in places to get to that price point! It is like cutting off your nose to spite your face!
@@andyH_England I love videochatting to my relatives and friends(not to mention co-workers) on my laptop, and doing that is extremely uncomfortable on a phone that has a tiny screen and that I have to hold in my hands all the time, it's just super annoying. And using an external one for a laptop would be annoying as well. It's a fricken mobile device which should have it included, why do I even have to connect an external one? It feels like regress in technologies just like Nvidia going back to M GPU-s for laptops in this generation.
webcams are dirt cheap for them to include in the laptop itself, so cheap that it costs nothing to the end consumer, so it's nothing but their greed that's playing here.
I really appreciate your reviews and the thorough testing you do. You saved me from buying this laptop! Looking for a best-bang-for buck but powerful portable desktop. The low TDP just don't cut it, even as a gaming laptop IMO!
Legion 7
Such a great review! Answered so many questions I didn't know to ask! Thank you!
Stunning review! Asus really lost me this gen with the no-camera laptops. I like how they take chances with design, but boy do they miss the point at times.
They ditched the webcam for 3-4 years now. Except for the new flow x13
@@khangle6872 Indeed, I have the original gangster Asus Rog Zephyrus from that era. It has a cam in the top bezel. I just upgraded from the Asus this year and went with Gigabyte over Asus mainly due to this lack of camera. Webcam over AMD CPU. Laptops are first and foremost about versatility. I can live with a slight loss in performance over the best CPU but not without a camera built in.
You create really good and professional review videos. I love your videos!
me considering buying a gaming laptop: mhm yes a perfect laptop
hardware canucks: doesn't have a webcam
me: so close ASUS....so close
New legion 5 has none if these issues. 115w Gpu with gpu overclocking
@@mohammadabd-elmoniem1992 in my country 1100-1200$ laptops cost around 1400-1600€ so i am already paying more than i should... so i expect the bare minimum
i mean its ok i wont be buying the TUF Dash but i will be buying the regular ASUS TUF A15 model
The Dash is the cheapest gaming entry of Asus. There are other models with cams and as a reply mentioned. If you plug in your own, you get to choose the quality and it usually costs less than a laptop model that costs more.
@@mohammadabd-elmoniem1992 it’s inconvenient as it should’ve been included in the first place and it didn’t cost asus a lot to put it in place
@@mohammadabd-elmoniem1992 if I want to quickly go somewhere I don't want to worry about packing the webcam in my bag too. And setting the phone as webcam is a hassle. Especially in a video conference age. Asus saved maybe $2 on a webcam per laptop and lost over $300k in income from potential buyers
I got this laptop for an on-the-go gaming laptop that can also do basic tasks.
I got the RTX 3060 144hz variant.
This laptop was everything I could have hoped for, for the money I put down and the gaming experience I get from it. I watched many review videos before buying and after and most of them say avoid which if you are a gaming nerd who only cares about maximum specs you might wanna go for an AMD CPU but the combo they have in this Dash TUF F15 works perfectly for me.
Overall I upgraded the ram to 40GB and storage to 2TB and I can run almost any game on ultra at 60FPS with no drops NO Problem. (in silent mode, not performance or turbo) heavy games like Cyberpunk and similar games Chugg slightly but putting it on turbo mode solves this problem.
So unless you are looking for top-of-the-line performance for your money then look elsewhere but for an all-around quality laptop pic this, in my opinion.
Today's Results: the gamers lose.
Wait 1 year to buy 30 series laptop.
What do you mean? Should i wait 2022?
Lol no its only some laptops
I laugh when people want to game demanding games with a gaming laptop and not plug it in. No point to even compare performance when in ECO mode. Lol
Yer I learned the hard way on my last laptop, never knew the power would drop by half without a plug, reviewers should be doing benchmarks without a plug in there reviews, not much of a laptop if you need a plug
Here the thing. Nice review and it makes sense to test it with 1080p because the display can't use higher ones.
But you should have tested higher resolutions on an external display as well. Especially against the older versions. On the other hand, if Non-eSportler can't use the most of the graphics power, it's either the wrong display or the wrong GPU for this display.
The video was very informative. Great and straightforward video!
i just got this rtx 3070 laptop, amazing quality
Yeah but that cpu is a problem for gpu that inside it
Just purchased it also still a great deal compared to my other options .
@@ericdoran4313 dude is this lap good for animation
Very accurate analysis! You're an absolute pro.
I really like Eber's laptop reviews.
Def a hard pass, gaming laptop. Would be interesting to see AMD in the CPU to see if their mobility chips could make the 3070 not suck. I mean seriously I can't think of a reason to buy this laptop because the CPU is just beating down the entire value.
yeah. Pretty lame. I think manufacturers are glad the shortage is driving up demand. They will sell a ton of these units even though they underperform.
considering the best they could manage with a 4800 was a 80w 1660ti or 80w 2060(with 20ms 120hz panel)....prob up to their willingness to provide better cooling. I mean FK asus bought up all the 4900 bins........and crapped out the zeph 14....with a 20ms 120hz panel with like 63% rgb. and a 65w 2060....not to mention the cpu prob ran at 35w too in games so all the HYPE for the 4900hs as a gaming chip is MOOT and just marketing bs. Since it can be used for workloads sure...but sold as a gaming solution is pretty bs if intel hits 5ghz for cs go or etc. valorant. or at least tries to with max performance profile and fan settings....and zeph owners be like "Its cooler" than the TUF ryzen laptops...not even realizing some have 115w 2060s.....that wont/just cant.
Yet many laptop makers are refusing to use AMD CPUs. Something strange is going on!
I'm sure we'll see laptops packed with 5800hs or 5900hs soon. Maybe the new Zephyrus models will be better
Asus and Lenovo have AMD cpu's. g17 have the 5900HX which is insane.
Ive had a play on the ryzen 5800h version of this, ryzen version def the way to go.
And then you start complaining about price
Thank you for this video. You speak very well, and It's easy to follow along m8!
Even when i spect nothing from Tyger lake intel just break the barrier of dissapointment.
whats sad is gaming with a cpu at 65w=gpu bottleneck by basisc princple of how laptops perform thermally. 35-40w....actually yields better fps and gpu utilization...in regards to intel strictly....at least in my desktop case.....the more powerful the cpu with AMD etc....and powerful gpu...you actually see more core/thread utilization....5900x with entry gpu vs ampere 3070 strix= more core utilization. This is quite sad.....since intel tries to go "Turbo" it actually bottlenecks GPU. LUL. TF. Its like taking steps back...just bc it has a cinebench/geekbench etc...."benchmarking mode" as i call the 65w cpu....for doing score based benchmarks like cinebench or etc...they did this to compete not only with zen3...but the apple chip....its a gimmicky bs concept that ruins the gaming experience.
i dont understand shit, is it the rtx 3070 that sucks or intel 11th gen??
ive preordered a rtx 3070 laptop with ryzen 7 5800, should i cancel it?
@@AjeroZ The problem comes when you give lots of watts to the CPU. This laptop is giving lots of power to the CPU, which doesn't leave much for the GPU (3070). You only have so much power in a laptop, and most CPUs in laptops run between 35watts and 45watts, which gives more head room for the GPU to draw power. A good wattage for the 3000 series GPUs in laptops would be around 115watts to 125watts but higher is better (High as it can go as seen at 1:30).
So just look at what watts your GPU is running at and you should be able to tell how well it will run. Given the right power, the new GPUs will definitly be better then last gen. But maybe not enough to spend that much if you have a good one from last gen.
Had the same issue buying the Lenovo Legion 5. I would have liked the 17 inch for the SD card slot, but for some reason the 17 inch used an 88 watt 2060 vs. the 115 watt in the 15 inch, so I bought the 15 inch instead. I'll use a dongle if I need to. And the only reason I knew was thanks to Reddit
What?? Thats weird. Would think the 17" had more cooling. I hope the new legion 5 3070 will be higher specced. I'm considering it.
@@SYmotgang Exactly what I was thinking. I would love to know what Lenovo's thinking was there. If they can repeat what they did with the 4th gen CPU's, the Legion 5 is one of the best to get. I'm just happy to see that they're not limiting option this time. Best you could get was the 2060, now you'll be able to get a 3080. Hopefully 32GB becomes an option rather than maxing out at 16GB.
"Just keep your expectations low"
Yeah that pretty much sums this whole thing up.
Glad I got a regular 2070 with my laptop. £1300 wasn’t too bad considering the prices the 30 series is going for and the performance is gives.
I love the tuf series, have the previous model with 1660ti and i think i have to agree with you on pairing the cpu with crippled intel tigerlake… but the form factor is a great upgrade
Excelent review. Thank you so much.
Having owned a Gaming Laptop for several years, I'd really suggest always using an external GPU in an enclosure.
@Krakus Krak If you buy the Razor CORE X, even the Power supply is upgradable.
Imo, eGpu isn’t really worth it. Especially with medium low gaming laptop. Even medium high laptops don’t benefit much from eGpu
@@nikkosr888 Buy the laptop with the highest end I7 - I9 with a intel integrated GPU, then an external GPU in an enclosure. The performance is almost as good as a desktop, and the heating/throttling issues go away. Either that or buy both a desktop and a laptop, for mobile. It still costs the same if you need both.
2022 version $1300 right now with a i7 10 core cpu and ddr5 ram. Easily a must buy
The RTX 3060 seems like the sweet spot for price/performance, but I would have to imagine that the bottleneck, in this case, is the PCIe lanes, 4 cores ryzen 3100/3300 and i7-7700k performers better than this. Or maybe a firmware/drivers issue
Amazing, almost 18 min review and pretty much no full view of laptop but we had plenty of time to see this guy's face and gesturing hands, and the top left corner of the laptop! Why!
I am so happy that I went for Aero 17 rtx2070 super 😁
AERO 17 is classified as high-end, while the tuf series is entry-level, a more approriate comparison should be Zephyrus S series
My wife got this laptop for £950 new from currys. I cant fault it, it plays all her games (world of warcraft) at full settings without any problems. The screen is awesome and its not to heavy to carry around. It looks stunning in white and is very well made. We are very happy with it.
I never clicked this fast and got this disappointed this much lol
I hear you, my man.
I planned on buying it cuz thought it gave good performance and was thin n light but after seeing this vid plans changed :(
@@l0lka607 We can probably wait for those beefy desk-laptops like Asus g703gx, Msi Titan Series successor which have 2 power bricks.
i dont understand shit, is it the rtx 3070 that sucks or intel 11th gen??
ive preordered a rtx 3070 laptop with ryzen 7 5800, should i cancel it?
@@AjeroZ intel sucks
good video. Explaining fairly well how the whole thing works with intel. Props for that
Can't wait to see this compared to its brother, the TUF F15. I think in terms of fully gaming on the go with minimal weight this laptop, with RTX 3060 ofc, would make an exceptional laptops. Especially for students where battery life and gaming performance is somehow balanced in this small thin and light form factor. Considering they might not need a full 8c/16t for school tasks, I say the mid tier model will work fine for them. Sure there will be more powerful options within the same price point, but unless they like lugging around 3 kilos worth of weight every school day, I don't think it's a bad option in my opinion.
Liked for top quality, mate.
Intel CPUs screwing up gamers again hahaha. No wonder they had only Intel 4-core CPUs on preorder weeks before the Ryzen models.
there will be amd laptops with the 3070. we dont have to fear... but ampere is shit for laptops anyway.
@@Thor_Asgard_ Well, it is not shit because there are a bunch of improvements and features, however I agree it wasn't to the expectation
G15 was up for preorder early
@@waw4428 the minority will need those (features). Most ppl want more performance and we are heavily limited by the wattage.
@@Thor_Asgard_ Like it or not, DLSS and Raytracing are slowly becoming important, so improved tensor cores are nice. In addition, the "Dynamic Boost 2.0" is quite a good feature, especially for gaming
Nice review, appears to be an honest one my Canuck friend!
we get more performance today compared to the same amount invested in 5 years ago..... oof
Great info.. I wish I had watched this before ordering the f15 I still can't wait to get it and try it though can't lie
9:12 a quad core seriously a dirt cheap 4600H or the new ryzen 5000 are right in front of you ASUS.
What is the main differences between this laptop asus dash f15- 3070 and asus strix G513 3070-Amd 5800 ? Is the higher price for strix a good value?
Thanks for your great video
Eber, please do a similar review on the MSI GP66 Leopard 3070 laptop - its pretty much the direct competitor to this model, and it would be great to see how it compares!
Leopard is almost a pound heavier and $300-$400 more with pretty much same specs
@@MaxGalitsyn - Except the ASUS has a massively reduced TDP version of the 3070, meaning the performance of the two are completely different.
There’s more difference in performance between the Leopard and the Dash with the same card, than there is between the Leopard and a laptop with a 3080 in it.
Thanks for the review. I am going to get a Lenovo legion 5 rtx 3060 but should I get the 2022 or 2021?
This feels like the Xiaomi of gaming laptops, great value for the price with some sacrifices.
I really liked the video. I was looking forward to getting this laptop, but I live in Mexico and it is really disappointing seeing the difference in prices, a 1,400 USD laptop commonly sells here for 2000 USD.
The fact that Asus has switched the cpus of all of their new gaming laptops to AMD except this one, and this one being a disappointment because the cpu doesn't cut it, should be a message to Intel. I've been an Intel kid for years; its unfortunate that they've fallen behind like this.
Hate to agree but it’s true. I used a Ryzen 7 5800x for my latest build and it just blew intel out of the water. I’ve never had such good performance.
For the price i am seriously considering it. I don't care about the webcam and i love the slick form factor and the display, also battery life. Performance is enough for the price, sure the cpu is lackluster but i mean, look at how it is competing with laptops that still cost way more today.
Forget about all specs and look at price to performance and then take into conaideration size, weight and battery life. Look pretty competitive to me
I think i am pulling the trigger.
Message received. I'm going to skip this laptop.
Yes, when you put a lot of power through a laptop, you need to lower the output heat. Well done.
You kidding me? This laptop underperforms and is WAY worse than the othrr 3070 laptops tested on other channels. Shit cpu paired with low watt gpu
There's a reason for that...
Dave broke everyone's reviews by basically telling everyone this are shitty laptops. 😂
Well the 144 hz one ophas an abysmal srgb coverage of 62%
They are shit
After almost a year of using it , I'd say it's perfect for its price, could run any game on ultra high graphics with good fps , and any editing app or something with good performance
Hows the fan noise? Would you recommend getting the rtx 3060 now or wait for intel 13th Gen and Rtx 4000 series that comes in a few months?
@@AdamsOyifi the fan is loud when you're gaming but totally silent when you're just browsing or something, and you won't be able to hear the fan when you're gaming if you're wearing headphones (any type of headphones)
And i think they delayed the whole 4000 serious but im not sure, and you should realize that every couple months there will be new laptops coming out so you can't just be waiting forever, I'd say if you like the laptop just buy it
thanks for commenting, someone is offering me this laptop for 750$ used for almost a year. Should I get it ?
@@aymen3962 sure.
Is it the 3060 version or the 3070 version?
@@Honïe4 it's i7 11370h 16 gb ram rtx 3070 max q. Used for 1 year
*throws webcam out the window* I ain't gonna sell my soul to be a streamer lmao
Good thing I saw this video before making a purchase since I have a 2070 Max-Q atm.
"Intel..."
Should i get the tuf f15 or zephyrus g15 if i want the 3060 version. Is the g15 worth the extra money?
Here are my thoughts:
This is NOT a gaming laptop, even though it is advertised as one. Thunderbolt and slim factor make it ideal for work (which is what I am actually looking for), however the webcam is a bummer. It is not a tragic oversight as in the age of dongles, carrying a webcam doesn't seem so bad, but still :/ . Now as I mentioned - thunderbolt. AMD equipped machines don't have that, which for me is a deal breaker (again, work reasons). I am unsure at what power are the 2070 and 2080s in the reference laptops, but I'm almost certain they are way more than the 80W of the 3070.
I view it as: if you want a slick and portable working machine, which can run a game in the lunch break..... buy the 3060 version, not this one, lol
Yes this laptop is perfect for people who work and wants to game on the side. I am a programmer and this is perfect with thunderbolt 4 support. Its work first, gaming second. Because why bother making it slim and light
I ordered a Gigabyte Aero 15 OLED with the RTX 3070 and Intel i7 10870H. I hope that with the Gigabyte's better thermals, 230W power supply, and faster CPU I'll see much better performance out of the RTX 3070. I have the same laptop with the RTX 2060 right now and it is pretty solid. We'll see...
Asus made a wrong call by using intel in their dash line-up,
But on the bright side all their other top laptops use AMD, so can't really be mad at them...
AMD is at fault they dont have enough, asus has to have something to seel.
@@Tigerex966 using intel comet lake cpu like i7 10870h is way better idea than shiity tiger lake h35
Not really... AMD doesn't support Thunderbolt 4, so 2yrs max is what you get out of that AMD laptop... at least with Intel you can use TB4 and use a newer gen GPU and dock, and stretch that laptop another year or two.
Thanks you saved me from a mistake!
Damn so don’t sell my 2060 Blade 15 base for this? Fully noted! Ouch nvidia, what happened here
Most def not. Its asus fault with a garbage design. Head over to jarrods tech, you can se other 3070 laptops perform faster than a 2080 super and 2080 desktop.
@@SYmotgang TUF series is entry-level, cheap-priced budget brand. Of course it wont perform as the aero or aorus. For that you would want to compare with Strix SCAR or Zephyrus
Amazing Video! Thanks man 💯
Hi everyone! :D I hope you stay safe and have a nice day, God bless you!
Thank you, minecraft
@@illusionhill8289 No problem, but I'm not the official Minecraft lol
Working out a bit on spec variation for selecting the product does tell enough about more suitable choices.
I am wary of such
It's basically a rebranded Zephyrus M15 with really really good optimization for battery life
And no webcam is a good thing 👍
The Cuda Core cut explains what's up with the Manufacturing, they have less refined manufacturing process so it fails to make the whole die so they have to cut it down. Like last year they made a RTX 2060 KO from a cut down RTX 3080
Looking for reviews on gaming laptops and came across this guy, wow so relaxed easy to watch. Fantastic production. Ive subbed now. 👍
Is the display fantastic though? The 144hz panel from last year was horrific.. Worse then some 60hz panels for pixel response times.. Be tempted for the 3060 model if the display isn't horrible like 2020 model.
what an amazing in-depth video, wow
I was on the verge oof buying this laptop, luckily I found your review before pulling the trigger, guess I'll keep looking for something that fully uses the graphics card
i think it makes sense and if the price is right, this kind of bottlenecks are not THAT bad, what do you think? I mean, that battery and form factor... I'm seriously wanting something like this, I don't want to regret if I buy it...
i have to say i like razer blade-like alternatives...
These laptops from AMD and intel are something else these days. I’m looking forward to more laptops with 1440p 120 FPS. I have a crazy idea. Why have laptop companies not thought about a feature on using laptops screens as a second monitor with an input feature?
I think very few laptops have this, but yes i would certainly love that feature as I have many uses for that
the zephyrus g15...has 1440p...165hz....buywer beware....considering its a "smaller" form factor laptop by claims...even though it has a 16" panel....that aside i will be buying one to assess as a keep or return....If it can hit over 100w on gpu or they offer a 30-40 tdp cpu profile option(ill just get the mobile ryzen master if i have to) so i can push the gpu....bc my monitor is a 1440p ultrawide as well so that would pair nicely. Then if the mobo supports gen4 ssd...i can install a 2nd drive and windows pro on a gen4 drive as my boot drive.....and use the one it came with as a storage game drive etc. Ideally. Im gonna sell my 5900x 3070 strix system for it. I feel like ive built too much computer for my needs....also the asus g15....is adaptive sync.........so if its shoddy and crap AF....expect major overhshoot antighosting etc....and ghosting...as it shifts from refreshrates at 1440p In AAA games....since it will be 120fps at most and bouncing from 60...smh....it could be just as bad as their 20ms 120hz panels...as far as QOL to the end user Games where it would matter like Warzone or other demanding multiplayer games.
Very mixed bag. The GPU/CPU pairing is not a good match, but the battery life is impressive. The 3060 seems like it should be hindered less by the CPU. Would like to see basically the same laptop but with an AMD H series CPU.
Not too concerned with the webcam, TBH. laptop webcams are in general awful, and it would add to the cost of the unit to put in one that supports Windows Hello, which is really the only reason to care about it.
Since nobody's really going anywhere, this will likely spend any work time connected to a dock and full set of peripherals. That's where the TB port would shine, IMO.
Using a removable webcam offers so much more flexibility, as well as better image quality and probably audio as well.
The I/O seems very good. Kudos for the full size Ethernet port, as the dongle life is an avoidable nightmare.
4:16 error, reboot, error, reboot. Haha but you nailed it.
i have an Asus ROG Zephyrus M laptop with an RTX 2060 gpu. so far what ive seen is these 3070 laptops do practically the same performance in games, and theyre nearly $1000 more expensive
Hey! Thanks for the video, i was just wondering if the tests were with the laptop plugged in or unplugged? If it was run unplugged would you get the best possible performance from the chips if they were plugged in as they are then fully powered?
Of course they were plugged in
I really like this honest review!
Would this laptop (or the 3060 version) be better viewed as an ultra book/ gaming laptop hybrid rather then a gaming laptop?
If you put more Ram into it?? Would it get better?? Or am i saying something stupid?