WOOOWW, HUH ? Obnoxious Laker fan !!!! I forgot I commented on this video a year ago. Fast forward a year later and man my mind is BLOWN !!! Kawhi Leonard Finals MVP 2019 !!! Taking down the very team that took him out.. How prophetic, poetic and karmic this all plated out !!!!!!! One more Chip with another team, and he's in a different conversation. You were way ahead of the curb my friend !!!
Danny Green was with him when he went to the raptors and Danny hold the finals record for most 3's in a finals game. Danny is pippen to KAWHI's Jordan and the championship 🏆 rings 💍💍💍 show that #don'tArgueWitMe
Agree!!! Agree!! Agree!! That is what I call true appreciation of the subtlety of the man and the game. There is not one thing I can refute from your presentation. I can only add one other maybe not so subtle observation about the Popovich system and how it prevents players from running up stats. In Kawhi's case, the "system" inhibits him from being a statistical superstar. And perhaps Pop's influence inhibits him from being a media superstar. And maybe this is what Kawhi's uncle sees. I'm a Laker hater. But if, baskeball gods forbid, he winds up there.... well...like I said I'm a Kawhi fan. Thx for the effort you put into this!!!!
BroncanoMix so glad you liked it my man! I actually had a section on what I was calling the “Popovich Deflation Factor” that I ended up cutting but I really like how you phrased that - well said!
WOW! This is truly a wonderful video! Kawhi is my very favorite NBA player so I appreciated all the accolades you threw his way! May we please hear from you again soon? Best!
Snicky G thank you for checking it out my dude! This comment made my day - been struggling to find time to execute my other ideas for videos but it’s stuff like this that inspires me to make it happen. Stay tuned 🙏
Thank you! That's the real tragedy of it is that this was his last real chance and when he deserved it the most, yet we cared so much about Westbrook getting counting stats on a 6 seed
I agree with your video completely! Westbrook won the award because he pads his stats. That is why I think Oklahoma will never win a championship because Westbrook is more interested in his personal stats than he is a championship!
Great video, it's funny, but Kawhi is one of the most underrated players in NBA. The only other players who might be more underrated are Booker and than maybe Trae.
Fucking Pachula!!!! I’ll never get over that shit. But can’t say injuries was a problem for 2019 finals for the gsw.. bro had the spurs up by 20+ against the dynasty
As a Kawhi fan I thought Westbrook had the slight edge over Kawhi even though I really wanted Kawhi to win. After this video, this might of been his best season of all time or after the Toronto series. Also, I hope the Clippers don't choke this year, but good luck to your Lakers.
Thanks for watching homie. Yeah sadly that may have been kawhi’s peak - crazy that a Spurs team with him as it’s only superstar could compete with the warriors super team until Zaza got in the way
So true Tony Parker likely hof pg. How many triple doubles? 1- 10/12/2012 Against Houston Rockets in a huge 42 1/2 minutes 1 triple double in 1,254 games played
This was a L his supporting cast was terrible without russ the thunder are a lottery team without kawhi the spurs are still a playoff team and we had terrible coaching russ deserved that mvp foh
I disagree but liked the video. I wish more people put in the effort to give good statistical backing for their arguments like you did. Even highlights! So well done. I especially liked the ppp in the different offensive sets Personally I would take lebron every year and had westbrook over kawhi last year. Per 100 possessions spurs were only 1.7 pts better with kawhi on the court. Westbrook was 12.5 lebron 17.0. Even now spurs are still #2 defensively without him. Historically lebron has shown a greater effect on his teams defense on off too as well, even had the better dbpm last year than kawhi. I argue Kawhis defense has gotten worse as his offensive load has increased while durant has had the opposite effect now. Stamina is limited even among the greats.
Yes, finally someone who disagrees haha. Thank you for the kind words and checking this out.My counter to the on/off court numbers is that Popovich is more of a lineup mastermind than LeBron or Westbrook's coaches, and the Spurs had guys like Danny Green, Jonathan Simmons, Kyle Anderson, and others who could collectively make up for Kawhi's absence so that the Spurs wouldn't suffer too much with him on the bench. The spurs have a system that doesn't rely on any one player like the Cavs' or Thunder's do. Still, those on/off court stats are really interesting, and Kawhi definitely toned down the defensive intensity last year. I'm shocked at how much Kyle Anderson, Dejounte Murray, and LaMarcus Aldridge have improved defensively this year.
Totally agree. No one's putting up +16/100 on the Spurs. There's also some noise in on-off numbers for one season so I like to look at the last 3 for context. Last 3 years Kawhi was +10.5 +7.1 +1.7 Lebron +16.8 and +16.5 +17 with Westbrook at 6.6 and 12.9 +12.5. I think Kawhi's last year was mainly noise defensively. Add in the pop effect like you said and he's up there with Westbrook. What I think separates Lebron is that he is like a coach on the floor. Defensively he is a very active communicator calling out switches and defensive assignments. Offensively, his teams don't always know how to play without him. MVP is a funny award though, because if you focus on "Value" you can never give it to Kawhi -- we know the Spurs can succeed without him. (Just like Durant and Curry now). If you focus on best narrative, the Spurs are too 'boring' and people get drawn to people like Derrick Rose or Westbrook. Best player in the regular season last year? Kawhi would have a good case.
Absolutely! The on-off numbers for Kawhi I think were a bit flukey that year as well. The Spurs defense was significantly better with him on the bench--he can't be hurting his team on defense. I like to look at last 3 which were 10.5, 7.1 and 1.7, Westbrook was 6.6 12.9 and 12.5 while LeBron was over 16 every year with the cavs. Add in the Pop effect and I actually thought Kawhi was the better player. I just liked Westbrook's narrative, thought his team needed him more and he played 7 more games. LeBron on the other hand, he's such a leader on and off the court. Defensively, he's great at calling out offenses, defensive assignments and switches. Offensively, the team really revolves around him. So if you go on "Value" I think you have to give it to LeBron. Best player in the regular season last year? That's arguable. The only thing Kawhi really had was great player on the best team. But then I think you should consider Curry too who is probably the best offensive player in the league, not a bad defender, and was +17.5 on-off. For me, I liked 1 LeBron, 2 Westbrook, 3 Kawhi then 4 Curry. It was close last year. Just note that I don't add Harden in here! Bad regular season defender with +3 on-off.
@@thomaslee2558 it is interesting how defensive on off data is still favouring lebron over kawhii even with his age and reduced defensive effort. I suspect this is more because of lebron's ability to call out plays and defensive assignments than his actual defensive play. While kawhis teams are still good defensively when he is off the court. Never said Kawhi isnt a good defender just interesting when you look at those kinds of stats. And how his dbpm has stayed lower than early career while kawhi has maintained a higher offensive load and usage rate
Kawhi is my favourite player, but I really don't know how he was soo impressive player this season to be considered for MVP. His statistics were ordinary great statistics, nothing special to be considered as MVP.
My argument is that his combination of efficient, versatile scoring with low turnovers and excellent defensive stats puts him in a category only with Michael Jordan and is just as statistically rare as averaging a triple-double, and also led to more wins. The Spurs' remarkable team success is the other reason that Kawhi deserved MVP that season, if we're willing to consider one of the best Spurs' regular-season win totals ever as a statistic as well.
There is a legit argument that in his prime, around this season and also during his Raptors playoff run, he could outduel any other player in NBA history.
GSW fans said 2019 raptor never chance a ring if durant Thompson not injury raptor never win agains GSW but 2017 spurs vs gsw if kawhi not injury of that game gsw never win a title in 2017 championship period
you replied to me on thinking basketball's video. Your video showcases how good Kawhi is but it's very clear you are biased towards Kawhi, he doesn't have high level playmaking ability, and he doesn't know how to handle double teams quite yet. He's absolutely incredible but through avidly watching this raptors season you can see the massive difference between someone who can truly facilitate for his teammates they way Lebron and Curry do. Lastly, you can't really call an almost purely iso player versatile, he needs to improve his passing and his movement off the ball, if he does that he's number 1.That being said, his mentality and leadership effect on his teammates is something you could use to better argue moving him up from number 5. Because you can truly see the effect he has on others, the respect he carries.
to clarify, you decided to nitpick stats to make Kawhi look statistically better than others. Which you can do that with a littany of other stats the other way. Love the video thanks for the analyses.
@@MitchellKeller_ Appreciate your taking the time to check it out. I cut out 10+ minutes of content where I tried to talk more about the combination of Kobe and Tim Duncan's leadership styles I see in Kawhi - glad you see that in him too. In San Antonio, he was used in a more versatile way off the ball, catching stuff in the mid post on curls and things like that, but yeah, Toronto has him just sitting on the perimeter a lot more, and in general he seems like he's trying to conserve a lot more energy than he used to. I'm not sure about struggling with double teams since he did a great job early in the finals and late in the bucks' series, plus the low turnovers always suggest to me that he elects for ball security over versatile playmaking that Lebron or Curry have. I'm not trying to be the most objective guy out there - my bias is strong and shines through here, but once again, appreciate having another thoughtful fan out here sharing some opinions that don't get air time on mainstream sports media these days
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WOOOWW, HUH ? Obnoxious Laker fan !!!! I forgot I commented on this video a year ago. Fast forward a year later and man my mind is BLOWN !!! Kawhi Leonard Finals MVP 2019 !!! Taking down the very team that took him out.. How prophetic, poetic and karmic this all plated out !!!!!!! One more Chip with another team, and he's in a different conversation. You were way ahead of the curb my friend !!!
Agree. Zazas double step was not a natural defensive move . Kawhi would never say that but everyone with an unbiased mind knows that.
Danny Green was with him when he went to the raptors and Danny hold the finals record for most 3's in a finals game. Danny is pippen to KAWHI's Jordan and the championship 🏆 rings 💍💍💍 show that #don'tArgueWitMe
Kawhi's standard deviation means he does what needs to be done to win. Just like MJ.
well said my dude - thanks for watching
Agree!!! Agree!! Agree!! That is what I call true appreciation of the subtlety of the man and the game. There is not one thing I can refute from your presentation. I can only add one other maybe not so subtle observation about the Popovich system and how it prevents players from running up stats. In Kawhi's case, the "system" inhibits him from being a statistical superstar. And perhaps Pop's influence inhibits him from being a media superstar. And maybe this is what Kawhi's uncle sees. I'm a Laker hater. But if, baskeball gods forbid, he winds up there....
well...like I said I'm a Kawhi fan. Thx for the effort you put into this!!!!
BroncanoMix so glad you liked it my man! I actually had a section on what I was calling the “Popovich Deflation Factor” that I ended up cutting but I really like how you phrased that - well said!
WOW! This is truly a wonderful video! Kawhi is my very favorite NBA player so I appreciated all the accolades you threw his way! May we please hear from you again soon? Best!
Snicky G thank you for checking it out my dude! This comment made my day - been struggling to find time to execute my other ideas for videos but it’s stuff like this that inspires me to make it happen. Stay tuned 🙏
You nailed this my boy 😮Kawhi is from the MJ/Kobe family tree 🌳
Great video!!!!
Thank you chief 🤞🏼
More videos please, what u did matching Kawhi movements to Kobe and MJ are eye opener! Never seen that in any videos before, great job on that!
Pachulia and the warriors were so dirty and childish that year
Great video man
appreciate you checking it out 🤙
@@obnoxiouslakerfan Np as a big Kawhi fan it was great to see a video on this
I still stand by this. Kawhi will likely never win MVP after he missed it during that season.
Thank you! That's the real tragedy of it is that this was his last real chance and when he deserved it the most, yet we cared so much about Westbrook getting counting stats on a 6 seed
@@obnoxiouslakerfan he never deserved it tf
awsome editing for your first video
appreciate it my guy
If kawhi hadn’t gotten injured and beaten the warriors more people probably would’ve called him top 10 players ever
Not with 0 mvps
Awesome video!
Thank you for watching homie
Good stuff man
Thank you for giving it a watch, my man!
Kawhi leonard was rob 😢
Great video....hope Kawhi sees it.
That would be wild haha.. he already knows that was his year tho
Great work
Thanks for tuning in my man
There's a reason Zach Lowe voted for him that year.
deserves a shout out for doing that when so many people wouldn't look his way
if kawhi did not injured on 2017 season... he could win, dpoy, mvp, and finals mvp
Can't wait to see him back on the court.
so much has changed since this vid it's wild
post another video this is a really thorough video with great information overall
can't argue against this, man.....
Haha thanks bud glad you checked it out!
I agree with your video completely! Westbrook won the award because he pads his stats. That is why I think Oklahoma will never win a championship because Westbrook is more interested in his personal stats than he is a championship!
Ur playing Kanye and Kendrick while talking about Kawhi. Amazing video bro.
We were robbed of seeing Kawhi have one of the Best playoff run in history again this year 😭 at least I got to watch this video
Great video, it's funny, but Kawhi is one of the most underrated players in NBA. The only other players who might be more underrated are Booker and than maybe Trae.
I honestly believe from 2016 to 2019 kawhi was the best player by a mile.
Well u don’t know basketball
Why don’t you post more basketball videos ?? I was going to check out all your videos cause I like your style and you don’t have any videos😭
thanks so much for this comment my dude 🤙
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agreed he should have gotten 2017 mvp plus dpoy over draymond
Then people would finally throw him the respect he deserves
Fucking Pachula!!!! I’ll never get over that shit. But can’t say injuries was a problem for 2019 finals for the gsw.. bro had the spurs up by 20+ against the dynasty
you this video solved everything
Hahaha thank you for watching and appreciating fam
As a Kawhi fan I thought Westbrook had the slight edge over Kawhi even though I really wanted Kawhi to win. After this video, this might of been his best season of all time or after the Toronto series. Also, I hope the Clippers don't choke this year, but good luck to your Lakers.
Thanks for watching homie. Yeah sadly that may have been kawhi’s peak - crazy that a Spurs team with him as it’s only superstar could compete with the warriors super team until Zaza got in the way
So true
Tony Parker likely hof pg. How many triple doubles? 1- 10/12/2012
Against Houston Rockets in a huge 42 1/2 minutes
1 triple double in 1,254 games played
Same number of triple doubles as Tim Frazier!
probably because he isn't a good rebounder, so do double doubles not matter either because tony has a ton of those
This was a L his supporting cast was terrible without russ the thunder are a lottery team without kawhi the spurs are still a playoff team and we had terrible coaching russ deserved that mvp foh
Thx for watching!
@@obnoxiouslakerfan lol ur welcome 😂
I disagree but liked the video. I wish more people put in the effort to give good statistical backing for their arguments like you did. Even highlights! So well done. I especially liked the ppp in the different offensive sets
Personally I would take lebron every year and had westbrook over kawhi last year. Per 100 possessions spurs were only 1.7 pts better with kawhi on the court. Westbrook was 12.5 lebron 17.0. Even now spurs are still #2 defensively without him. Historically lebron has shown a greater effect on his teams defense on off too as well, even had the better dbpm last year than kawhi. I argue Kawhis defense has gotten worse as his offensive load has increased while durant has had the opposite effect now. Stamina is limited even among the greats.
Yes, finally someone who disagrees haha. Thank you for the kind words and checking this out.My counter to the on/off court numbers is that Popovich is more of a lineup mastermind than LeBron or Westbrook's coaches, and the Spurs had guys like Danny Green, Jonathan Simmons, Kyle Anderson, and others who could collectively make up for Kawhi's absence so that the Spurs wouldn't suffer too much with him on the bench. The spurs have a system that doesn't rely on any one player like the Cavs' or Thunder's do. Still, those on/off court stats are really interesting, and Kawhi definitely toned down the defensive intensity last year. I'm shocked at how much Kyle Anderson, Dejounte Murray, and LaMarcus Aldridge have improved defensively this year.
Totally agree. No one's putting up +16/100 on the Spurs. There's also some noise in on-off numbers for one season so I like to look at the last 3 for context. Last 3 years Kawhi was +10.5 +7.1 +1.7 Lebron +16.8 and +16.5 +17 with Westbrook at 6.6 and 12.9 +12.5. I think Kawhi's last year was mainly noise defensively. Add in the pop effect like you said and he's up there with Westbrook. What I think separates Lebron is that he is like a coach on the floor. Defensively he is a very active communicator calling out switches and defensive assignments. Offensively, his teams don't always know how to play without him.
MVP is a funny award though, because if you focus on "Value" you can never give it to Kawhi -- we know the Spurs can succeed without him. (Just like Durant and Curry now). If you focus on best narrative, the Spurs are too 'boring' and people get drawn to people like Derrick Rose or Westbrook. Best player in the regular season last year? Kawhi would have a good case.
Absolutely! The on-off numbers for Kawhi I think were a bit flukey that year as well. The Spurs defense was significantly better with him on the bench--he can't be hurting his team on defense. I like to look at last 3 which were 10.5, 7.1 and 1.7, Westbrook was 6.6 12.9 and 12.5 while LeBron was over 16 every year with the cavs. Add in the Pop effect and I actually thought Kawhi was the better player. I just liked Westbrook's narrative, thought his team needed him more and he played 7 more games.
LeBron on the other hand, he's such a leader on and off the court. Defensively, he's great at calling out offenses, defensive assignments and switches. Offensively, the team really revolves around him. So if you go on "Value" I think you have to give it to LeBron. Best player in the regular season last year? That's arguable. The only thing Kawhi really had was great player on the best team. But then I think you should consider Curry too who is probably the best offensive player in the league, not a bad defender, and was +17.5 on-off.
For me, I liked 1 LeBron, 2 Westbrook, 3 Kawhi then 4 Curry. It was close last year. Just note that I don't add Harden in here! Bad regular season defender with +3 on-off.
@@ryansth16lost you at he’s great on d come on bruh
@@thomaslee2558 it is interesting how defensive on off data is still favouring lebron over kawhii even with his age and reduced defensive effort. I suspect this is more because of lebron's ability to call out plays and defensive assignments than his actual defensive play. While kawhis teams are still good defensively when he is off the court.
Never said Kawhi isnt a good defender just interesting when you look at those kinds of stats. And how his dbpm has stayed lower than early career while kawhi has maintained a higher offensive load and usage rate
I never take anyone seriously when they say kawhi wouldn't have beaten gsw in 2019 when kd was hurt,
Then will never mention kawhi being hurt in 2017
This drove me crazy when people said that as if that raptors squad with Kawhi wasn’t fully built to beat golden state
Yea they likely would've got swept or gentlemen swept. Let's just be realistic
that was bs defense to run under Kauai when he’s shooting. I hope all who cheat and hurt players gets kicked out! Banned!
One of the dirtiest plays in NBA history. Ultimately, this is what Zaza Pachulia will be remembered for.
Kawhi is my favourite player, but I really don't know how he was soo impressive player this season to be considered for MVP. His statistics were ordinary great statistics, nothing special to be considered as MVP.
My argument is that his combination of efficient, versatile scoring with low turnovers and excellent defensive stats puts him in a category only with Michael Jordan and is just as statistically rare as averaging a triple-double, and also led to more wins. The Spurs' remarkable team success is the other reason that Kawhi deserved MVP that season, if we're willing to consider one of the best Spurs' regular-season win totals ever as a statistic as well.
Thanks for watching and being a fellow Kawhi fan!
@@obnoxiouslakerfan no problem bro, keep going 💪
Kd called kawhi a system player
In my opinion kawhi better than kd 🤝
kawhi IS the goat
There is a legit argument that in his prime, around this season and also during his Raptors playoff run, he could outduel any other player in NBA history.
@@obnoxiouslakerfanno.
RWB is gg out of the league
He’s still got a chance to reinvent his game like Carmelo did and accept a lesser role, but that’ll require a real attitude shift
GSW fans said 2019 raptor never chance a ring if durant Thompson not injury raptor never win agains GSW but 2017 spurs vs gsw if kawhi not injury of that game gsw never win a title in 2017 championship period
Zaza & company facing now Karma...
about time ⏱
Cap
Thanks for watching anyway 🙏🏼
you replied to me on thinking basketball's video. Your video showcases how good Kawhi is but it's very clear you are biased towards Kawhi, he doesn't have high level playmaking ability, and he doesn't know how to handle double teams quite yet. He's absolutely incredible but through avidly watching this raptors season you can see the massive difference between someone who can truly facilitate for his teammates they way Lebron and Curry do. Lastly, you can't really call an almost purely iso player versatile, he needs to improve his passing and his movement off the ball, if he does that he's number 1.That being said, his mentality and leadership effect on his teammates is something you could use to better argue moving him up from number 5. Because you can truly see the effect he has on others, the respect he carries.
to clarify, you decided to nitpick stats to make Kawhi look statistically better than others. Which you can do that with a littany of other stats the other way. Love the video thanks for the analyses.
@@MitchellKeller_ Appreciate your taking the time to check it out. I cut out 10+ minutes of content where I tried to talk more about the combination of Kobe and Tim Duncan's leadership styles I see in Kawhi - glad you see that in him too. In San Antonio, he was used in a more versatile way off the ball, catching stuff in the mid post on curls and things like that, but yeah, Toronto has him just sitting on the perimeter a lot more, and in general he seems like he's trying to conserve a lot more energy than he used to. I'm not sure about struggling with double teams since he did a great job early in the finals and late in the bucks' series, plus the low turnovers always suggest to me that he elects for ball security over versatile playmaking that Lebron or Curry have. I'm not trying to be the most objective guy out there - my bias is strong and shines through here, but once again, appreciate having another thoughtful fan out here sharing some opinions that don't get air time on mainstream sports media these days
Kawhi mvp 2023
If he's healthy, it should be his turn. Won't put up the raw numbers of Doncic or Giannis, but will impact winning like he always does
@@obnoxiouslakerfanlol
Kawhi is not the best player in the nba this is nuts.
You’re not supposed to use your real name for a burner account. Hope the ACL recovery is going well 🙏🏼
Obnoxious Laker Fan
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