How Good Was Ron Harper Really? What Stunted His Growth?
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- How good was Ron Harper. Was he really as good as Michael Jordan before his injuries? Was he on track to becoming a superstar? What Stunted his Growth? Find out what I think here.
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Meant first round of the eastern confer.💯
How bout a stunted growth on T-MAC in the next video?
Bruh, his growth wasn't stunted. TMac was one of the most explosive scorers and playmakers ever. If anything, injuries may have hampered him, but he still put up numbers and his name was in the
Mouths of fans. Ask Van Gundy if his growth was stunted.🤷🏿♂️
@@ronalddennis862 yea i hear you, he was one of my favorite players growing up.... I wish he didn't get injured either or at least didn't rush himself back the year they had that 22 game win streak smh
@@hawksfan1508 even while playing below 💯%, he was still better than most at their peak.
Playas mess up. Great product still! 💯
The only thing that stunted Ron's growth were the knee injuries......period.
A slashing scorer (not a shooter), elite defender , excellent rebounder , high quality teammate.Ron was a true playmaker.
Plain and simple!
Exactly
Speak on it.Ron was NICE and even with the knee injuries was still able to be a productive playmaker.Some dudes would've been out the league once most of their athleticism was gone.So that goes to show you what type of player he was at 70% of his total skills.
@@missayawk real talk
People kill me acting like Ron Harper wasn’t legit. Some people don’t know basketball.
Thank you
SWEET SCIENCE SPORTS & McDOJOS man. That Bulls squad was loaded! Jordan, Pippen, and Harper! The best 1-2-3 combo ever.
Ron Harper was side by side with Jordan when Harper came out of college. Both Jordan and Harper know this. This is why they have such respect for each other.
eggzackly
John Smith I agree. This notion that they wouldn’t be able to win in this era is stupid at best. That team with Harp had the ultimate switch ability. Harp6-6, MJ6-6, Pip 6-7, TK6-10, DR 6-7. They were the small ball before it was even a thing. The only person that couldn’t shoot and that was DR. Still DR brought enough to negate that.
He had an all star level career. He was a part of 2 NBA Dynasties. He took on lesser roles in order to not only contribute but start on championship teams.
Most of you all are to young to remember. Harper was a beast.
Rah-Saan Naga exactly.
I stayed up super late watching them clippers games after Harper's injury and he came back hard with that giant ass knee brace .he was throwing down hard dunks getting steals getting 19 to 20 ppg with Flair also finding open teammates but that damn Danny Manny goof was in his way and they got mark Jackson's 2yrs too late .thy struggled
u right...but on 2k he clamps everyone use him on the 01 lakers lol
Yup....you are right....only saw the old Ron...but still good.
Exactly. I remember Ron Harper he was good. He gave the bulls fits.
I don't care what anyone says I've always loved Ron Harper. Dude was great even when he was a just a role player.
Dude his rookie year he avg 25 5 5
@@AntonioGomez-co3us He averaged 23 points a game
Dude was a smart player
@@AntonioGomez-co3us absolutely 💯
I disagree with the part about his numbers falling off he averaged no less than 18 with the clippers he wanted a ring so he took a paycut and played with the bulls and assumed a role where he didn't have to score
These dumbass millennials need to stop creating content concerning NBA players from the 80's and 90's. These idiots were either not born, or they were toddlers during these guys' careers; thereby having no point of reference in order to comment on these guys'careers. Smfh...
Appreciate you for explaining this part right here! Harp was cooking with the Clippers even after the injury.
He did fall off after the injury though. It was a common discussion we had growing up a cavs fan in the late 80s
@@78binks he went from averaging 22 a game as a Cav to 23 a game in his first season as a Clipper.....to 19 the second year....18 the 3rd and 4th year and back up to 21 points in his final season as a Clipper if I'm not mistaken. His numbers were never bad at all. He was just a very unselfish player.
@@johnplum9377 He played 35 and 39 games...
Ron Harper was one of my favorite players of the 90's era
Mine too bro imma lifelong clippers fan. I loved Ron💯
Mine too....
Ron Harper was ahead of his time with his flair and open court game in college and throughout his cavs and early clippers seasons
👍🏽
*He can be placed on any of the championship teams within the last 30 years and contribute without disrupting anything in the locker room or in the coaches playbook.*
real ball player with no ego
Facts. The thing about Harp was he was never a selfish player-- even when he was the alpha dog. Other than his rookie season, he never really hogged the ball. Was always willing to pass to an open teammate. The fact that he swallowed his pride and took a severely diminished role with the Bulls tells you he was all about being stand up team player and winning championships. It had nothing to do with him believing his skills were not up to the level they used to be. He was a class act.
FACTS plus TAX
Nah, he was a bigger version of Toney Allen. You can‘t play those players anymore in a playoff series.
@Ray's Realm He'd lead the league in scoring in today's NBA.
Loved Ron Harper his game reminded me of MJ & Pippen combined.
Facts
Ron Harper reminded me of Iceman and Dr.J with smoother ballhandles.
Ron contributed great in Phil's systems. That knee injury affected his athletic ability. He was able to adapt and continue an amazing career. So many former all stars who didn't win shit would die to be in his shoes.
Carl Moore
It really affected his lateral movement. But straight ahead he still had that stride to the hoop.
His growth wasn't stunted he just accepted a lesser role to win in chicago
He became of the best defenders in the NBA and won 5 championship, I'll take that.
Agreed, his growth to be a superstar before his chicago days were unsung however accepting a lesser role to win arguably could be a growth SPURT over Stunted .
He's Still A Winner Period...One Love Fam...
His knee injury prevented him from reaching greater heights. He was a nice addition to the Bulls, but there were plenty of other who could have filled that role?
@@BoneyT64 I totally disagree, Ron has the athletic abilities, the long frame/arms, maturity to work out with Jordan's and Scottie training etc with Tim Grover, relationship with Jordan, Scottie and Phil. No way there were plenty of others that can do that.
Before his injuries you could have an argument that the only better shooting guards in the league that were better than him were Jordan and Drexler.
mitch richmond, reggie miller
He wasn’t better than Mitch Richmond. I’ve seen Mitch serve Clyde and go toe to toe with MJ.
Definetly not better than Joe Dumars at that time.
I’ll give y’all Dumars. But Reggie Miller didn’t come into his own until the mid 90s by that time the injuries had taken a toll on Harper. If we’re talking Kings Mitch Richmond I’ll give you him. But Warriors Mitch Richmond didn’t have the green light like Kings Richmond did because he shared the load with one Hall of Famer (Mullin) and one that should definitely be in the Hall(Hardaway). Blackmon, and Moncrief wasn’t heading towards the end of their peaks while Harper’s was rising. And Toney’s was cut short because of injuries.
@gullyroad knowledge....
1:18... Ron didn't want that smoke? 😅🤣😂 I don't know if I can take the rest of your video seriously. Wow bro!
Yeah. He outta pocket for that. Dude blew his knee out.
Ron Harper used to out play Prime Clyde Drexler ,Dumars ,and ReggieMiller with lesser shooting attempts than Jordan. J.C does a great job at breaking down players weakness or knit picking their stunted growths but with Harper and especially Penny hardaway he was off a tad . PENNY was a even better 3pt shooter than he ever gave him credit for
Shoutout to Ron “he got them rings tho” 😂😂😂
Ron Harper was a beast early on i remember watching him,with the cavs he gave mj the business. But those acl injuries are no joke. Him and danny manning where never the same after those injuries.
On God.
Danny Manning... that's a name I've not heard in a long time.
Crazy when you last 14 years in the NBA with 5 rings but your growth was stunted
He’s just saying he could of been better if didn’t get injured early and played behind Jordan
I think because he had the ability to be considered one of the best players of all time?
@@BoneyT64 injuries happen. The man sacrificed and got 5 rings for his efforts. Nuff said.
They were talking about his individual skills.....Robert Horry was a role player his whole career and won 5 rings.
@@ericmatterson9905 Horry has 7 rings but still good point.
😂😂😂 Stunted Growth? He tore ACL in LA still averaged 20 a game. Took lesser role to win
Dayton, Ohio's own Ron Harper! This man was my father's high school basketball rival in 82 back when Fairview, Kiser & Roth were still high schools he had a very underrated college & pro career with 5 rings💪💯
Ron was a good player salute to him. Reminds me a lil bit of Andre Iguodala for those who never saw Ron play.
I can kinda see that comparison
Prime Harper was like a flashier Eddie Jones with all around defensive intangibles and passing &playmaking ability like andre Iguodala
@@carlwallace1129 You didn't think Eddie Jones was flashy he had some swag with his game but good comparison.
Good comparison. Both X-factors for their respective championship teams. Iggy had more rope to freestyle on offense than Harper did. Mainly because Iggy anchored the 2nd team off the bench and had more of a green light, where Harper had to fall in line behind MJ and play his role without disrupting Jordan's dominance. Iggy also never suffered from any severe injuries, so he's been able to sustain his level of athleticism for a longer period of time. Probably due to his conditioning. Dude is swole.
Harpers peak offensively was way greater than iggy or eddie jones
Shout out to Olden Polynice “OP”. He gives the best interviews.
Harper injured his knees AFTER he left the Cavaliers for the Clippers. He injured it as a Clipper.
True
He didn't leave. The dumb ass GM Wayne Embry traded him and 2 first round picks for Danny Ferry and the fans wanted his head for making that trade.
Yes!! Gary Grant was famously interviewed shortly after this lamenting the fact that dudes blow their knees out once they get traded to the Clips. Then he blew out his knee shortly after.
@@charlesjonessr3684 - Danny Ferry = LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@@cobrakainevereverdies6940 Yeah.
Ron Harper was a excellent nba player, the knee injury made him a role player and not a premier player.
Low-key Ron Harp was giving Len Bias that work
that dunk was nasty
Stop it bias didn't even jump he was trying to draw the charge talk about when bias yammed on his butt
Bias was trying to draw a charge it’s a difference e with somebody actually jumping Ron was nice though bias rocked him earlier in that game
Harper was a *VERY INTELLIGENT* player... i'm a laker fan and he was one helluva floor general for us.
A above avg defender, good slasher, good anticipation, moves good off the ball, etc.
This Ron Harper highlight reel is fire! 🔥
Lemme bring up 1 other point as well. That 89-90 season where he got traded to the Clippers, Harper was playing at an elite level. WIth how stacked the West was with guard talent and playing for a "lowly" Clippers squad, I'm not sure he would've been named to the All-Star team, but with the numbers he was putting up, he damn well should've been! If that was a glimpse of "Prime Harper", can you imagine what kind of numbers he would've put up during his peak years??? The torn ACL really robbed him of that explosiveness we once saw with the Cavs. I mean, you would see it occasionally post-injury but just not with the regularity. He would've been in the discussion as top shooting guards of the 90's. Better than Reggie. Better than Sprewell. Better than Richmond.
There's no discussion he was as good as MJ, ever. Only Kobe has ever come close. But during his hey day, Harp was one of the few that would not back down from MJ's greatness and always brought his A-game when his team faced the Bulls.
Numbers was still above par after the injury in LA lol. Numbers didn't dip drastically until he made the decision to take on the role of the Bulls point guard and defender.
Agreed
Injuries but don’t get it twisted. He was a good player but not great after those injuries. He could fly. He was very athletic and long.
I always *heard* how good Ron Harper was but never saw it. Shout out to you and this video for historical reference. 👍🏾
He was so nice, especially in college.
@@stuntedgrowth u did a really good job and breaking down his career and in game flaws that really stunted him from being a superstar or 5star performer however timing is almost everything, Harper was caught in the middle because if he would have came out too later like in the 90s he would have had more competition being able to shoot 3s with his play style ,but he was a 4star type player 2years with the cavs and clippers and a3star player overall
Clippers amd Cavs he was nice
Doc Strange Chicago fan here....he had his best years in Cleveland and LA but i was still happy the Bulls picked him up...i knew he was a good VETERAN to add to the team and i knew he still had a bit left in the tank...great defender and experienced
Ron Harper:had a respectable career and had a lot of heart but injuries slowed him down through the years and did his thing off the bench and stepping up when needed...glad ron harper is doing fine and well...salute and respect stunted growth...
What are you talking about? He started for 4 championshp teams. Off the bench where?
I always loved it when Harper replaced Steve Kerr off the bench Ron Harper was part of the BIG TEAM Bulls , and often played the small Forward , or shooting guard position for giving Jordan , and Pippen . That is three living legends Harper covered , and did very well. He never seemed to replace Rodman as Rodman seemed to play entire games whenever possible. This explains why whenever he scored on a drive on a big leap he always got benched right away.
Dayton in the house!!! Thanks for the vid
I rewound this more than any of ur vids. Dope highlights. Man had game
Serious game. Ron was so smooth before the injuries and glimpses after.
JC. I love videos brother. Keep up the good work.
Man...I remember Ron showing glimpses of Jordan's influence!!!
ONLY THE KNEE INJURY
PHIL ALWAYS PUT HIM ON THE TEAM FOR A REASON
Harper was a BEAST! I remember him bringing that heat everytime my hometown Bulls played his teams. He was limited by injuries THATS IT. We were happy as hell when he came to Chicago. Even at 60% of himself his defense and wingspan along with MJ, PIP, AND RODMAN was a defensive shutdown crew with high basketball I.Qs and leadership!! Love that dude!
Ron was really a great combo guard. He was a decent stand still shooter. Great lead ball handler. Athletic defender. And apparently under appreciated by the Cavaliers. And we will never know why.
Agreed,,the most Bogus trade in Cleveland cavs history. Ohio is and has always been political, they said he was running with a bad crowd and he was really close to one of them DopeBoys that kept appearing in court and Harper loyalty to them after being warned was 1 of the main reasons they moved him .rumors of if him smashing the owners ( wayne embry)of Cavs daughter at that time was alleged.
Carl Wallace
I heard the one that he smashed Wayne Embry’s daughter. Something similar got Robert Horry shipped out of Houston.
Harper's late career almost mirrors Shaun Livingston's late career on the Warriors took a step back and became a veteran stabilizer.
This is bs. Ron Harper was a tough player. You need to do more research on RON
Insightful video. I don't necessarily agree with it all but I think you brought up many good points and you definitely know your hoops history, my OG!
Appreciate ya fam
I have a ton of respect for him. People forget how good he was before the injury. And he was a big part of the Bulls second three peat
Dope content! Stacy Augmon 💯✌🏾
Big ups for this 1. Ron was 1 of my favorite players and a versatile high flyer before MJ came. His career was more impressive as he got older b/c he reinvented himself and got a few rings. A definitive HOF'er...
Harper came into the league after Jordan
Shout out Rick Majerus @5:41
Great insight
Can’t wait for the John Salley stunted growth!
From my hometown. My dad said he used to watch him and his twin brother play at the Dakota center when he was just in high school.
937 baby! He went to school and played with my biological father. Let's get it!!!
Yes sir the 💎 city!!!!! His girlfriend at the time at Kiser was my.moms best friend lol
He was a starter on all the second repeat for the bulls, great player, and went on to have a great career at the Lakers, a beast, loved him
Good one man👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾Waiting on that Steve Smith and Billy Owens. Maybe Anthony Peeler too.
I watch videos like this and get annoyed by the hype and lack of knowledge, but you nailed it through and through. Well done and well thought out.
Good analysis.
Good content Q food reviews god bless
Harold miner... aka baby Jordan... was watching espn today and today’s his birthday... keep up the good vids
Loving this one thanks for sharing very information blessed love to all knowledge is power hopefully everyone pays attention keep up the good work just give him the credit and respect that he deserve you’re so wrong the coach couldn’t still would of been a mismatch 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Here’s another good one JR Rider!!!!! Nuff said.
Good vid
I'm a lifelong Cavs fan. He did a 360 layup on Dr J. You have to see it, if you can find it
Dr j himself in a interview said that 360lay up harper did is what forced him into retirement along with a dunk .
Good analysis of his overall game & career including the injuries & 5 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Good video
Admittedly, I recently began viewing your work. While I've enjoyed the videos I've watched, especially in relation to the players you've chosen to highlight thus far, there is one element that I'd like to see you cover a bit more: a player as a person.
I'm not asking/expecting a deep dive. Your videos would have to take on a whole new life. Instead, I'm suggesting something about the player...an experience... a challenge/struggle...a personality trait/characteristic, etc.
With this particular video focusing on Ron Harper, I think he lends perfectly to what I'm suggesting.
In the early/mid 90's, Ron came to the Clippers via trade. As a fan who was in my early 20's, it was the first time (in a long time) to be excited about a Clippers' personnel move (we know they certainly couldn't draft back then). Ron gave the Clippers a proven scorer, and one who could play defense. Ron's accomplishments on the court are well known to most fans. However, this is not what I remember most about Ron Harper.
When Ron was becoming a superstar in college, it meant more time in front of the camera. What many fans noted early on was how Ron seemed to never provide time to answer a few questions...or offer a comment about the just-finished game. Ron was gaining a reputation as a snob off the court...as though he hadn't the time for some ill-informed sports journalist. As he moved into the pros, this reputation followed him. When Ron began noticing the early press, and how many teammates said he seemed standoff-ish, Ron finally reached out to his agent for 2 things: 1) Help with a problem that had affected him all through childhood, his teenage years, and now as a young adult, and 2) Help with finding the best way to announce to the world that he had stuttered horribly his whole life, and how ashamed it made him feel, and as a result of incessant teasing, Ron would isolate himself socially, and bury that drive/frustration into his basketball game.
Like I said, it was very poignant, and extremely brave for an NBA star, in the early 80's, mind you, to find the courage to say that he was a stutterer. He not only wanted to finally get the right help for it, but to also speak out so other kids in the same predicament would see that it need not define them, and that solutions are available. That whole time said a lot about Ron and his character, I thought.
Lastly, I realize that most NBA players won't have such a story, or experience, but I can guarantee that, if you look deep enough, you'll find something in the story of every NBA'er that had a defining moment in their path to becoming a professional athlete.
1990 Clippers when Ron played, I became a Clipper fan. 30 games later Clipper injury. That was that
I'm from NE Ohio. He went to Miami of Ohio. When he came into the league they said he was a Jordan type player. He had some injuries and he could never fly like he did...a d he was a great leaper. I thought he would fizzle out buy he changed his game and became a key secondary player. He ended up having a great career because he was able to alter his game.
Bro I absolutely love your channel on god! I really enjoy your point of view
This is fair and appreciated.
This is the argument for every NBA player. Thank you
Yes I do agree and I am so happy someone felt the same way I do!
Ron Harper was a beast but got injured. Wasn’t the same after. Chris Broussard is a clown. Dude knows very little about sports. Can’t stand him. Guys like Ron Harper and Mitch Richmond used to give Jordan fits. Harper on defense, mitch on offense. Jordan is the goat to me but there were guys who gave him problems in his prime. Salute
facts
Mitch Richmond was a Hooper that was very underated
Right. The bulls only needed him to do one thing play defense.
Ron Harper was a Baller. One of the best underrated player who played for two teams that won championship (Bulls and Lakers)
Dayton, Ohio stand up!
His twin was a teacher at my alma mater Central high school in Philly. Great guy! His brother was an incredible player. Both were masters at their crafts.
Ron was an example of intelligence, resilience and teamwork.
He accepted a minor offensive role to become a role player in offense and being a defensive top dog...the result: championships .
He did the same later with the Lakers.
Way underrated
Hollywood Harp. As a shorty he was one of my fav players athletic and a high basketball IQ. When the Cavs traded him to the clippers I was shocked. After the trade he continued to get buckets for the LA clippers. and even after the knee injury in 91 he came back getting buckets and the clippers made 2 playoff appearances. He singed with the bulls in 1994. to hoop with his guy Scottie Pippen and excepted a new role he no longer focused on getting buckets but playing defense and using his high basketball IQ. Salute Ron Harper.. I don't think he had a stunted career I agree he was not a pure shooter but his career was dope.
Ron Harper should have made a all star team when he led the clippers to the playoffs in 92 and 93 back to back seasons (18.ppg and 5 assist) with his below average 3pt % he still was servicable 20 ft on in and broke the defense down 1on1 while being a solid assisting playmaker from the 2spot.
HELL YEAH he should be in HOF, AT THE LEAST NOMINATED!
I grew up in Long Beach and when I was a yung boy I remember him putting up numbers on the Cavs and the Clippers Eventually he would end up playing for my Lakers
I saw him and he was phenomenal at Cleveland - on his way to upper echelon stardom the least during that time... really nice video but you left out his athleticism and exceptional body control (greater than most players today in the air), which meant more during the time period of his hayday as he could take a blow and still score...the injuries definitely stunted his growth as many athletes develop their shot in the NBA...overstated was the 3 ball as that was not prevelant during this time period...
I remember his years with the Cavs, oh man was he good
Legend!
I know, Ron Harper was one of my favorite players! Stunted his growth, the guy has 5 rings and was a starter on both the Bulls and Lakers both coached by Phill Jackson! This guy is just to young to know how basketball was played back then, compared to soft and all about shooting threes! 😎
Exactly! The presenter has a narrow view
Great video!!! Definitely agree if he had been a better shooter would've made scoring easier and could've prevented having the injuries he would substain but still very good career overall.
Harper even without a quality outside shot still was snubbed from a few allstar nominations .Harper averaged over 18ppgs 3season that he went to the Playoffs. Once in Cleveland and twice with the clippers
Before his injuries.... when he was in Cleveland he was on that Jordan and Drexler level as far as who's up next and who's gonna be the best SG in the league... Dude was a straight beast in Cleveland in the 80's.... My uncle was his Center.. hahaha. For real... he was legit
Good breakdown fam. Now thinking back, you're right about his J. He was one of them, intangible players. In his earlier nba years, he had the athleticism and them sneaky quick hands on D to give MJ some issues, as they went at it on several occasions. I give him absolute credit for realizing that he fit a "role" when he came here to Chi. And with all due respect, I wish I could find the video from nbc5 chicago, where they spoke with him after they beat the sonics. Harp was obviously tipsy, and you know he stutters at times. I was excited for him, that he was asked a question, and the live delay button must've gotten stuck. Again, I was excited and laughing with him as he started his answer off with saying "Sh!@@@@@@DD"😲🤣, trying to get it out. Man, I was rollin and ended up crying from rollin so hard. Much Respect Fam, and Peace and Love to Harp, he's a real cool kat in person. Would you ever consider doing Craig Hodges?
Love fam. I'm sure Harp would get a kick out of that story. Cool dude
Folks forget that as a Laker it was he and Rick Fox who was out there guarding the main opposition often times. Harper was a very smart all around player who was still effective after he had no knees left. He has a son who I'm sure will be a solid pro somewhere.
He was slept on. The X factor on that 98 bulls team. Big guard who could defend
He was a BEAST! Posterized a lot of dudes and his defense was really solid
Glad he won rings with the Bulls & his idol MJ
I definitely agree with what you’re saying about demanding the assignments. However, if the rest of the team doesn’t back him.. either he gets benched or mess up the whole team defense.
Didn't witness Cleveland Harper but damn so remember Chicago Harp even before Jordan's return he was a hell of a pro.
Wow, that one picture when he was young that they showed right around 2:48 looked like Jordan’s pic when he was young.
I just mentioned about two weeks ago on Madison St in Chicago how cold this man was, Joe Dumars was a good defender and Ron Harper was to . And he was really about the same height and weight as Michael Jordan, before the knee injury Ron was an athletic guy who could defend well. The brother turned out well 5 championships.
Everybody who knows 80s and 90s basketball knows that Ron Harper was a great player early on. After the injuries he became a role player, but never missed a beat in contributing to his teams five championships. I don’t know how you can see his growth with stunted when he did everything the right way according to the stages of his career he found himself in.
And also, Michael Jordans game-winning shot against the Cavaliers was not in the Eastern conference finals. It was the first round. In 1989 the Detroit Pistons won the East.
He got paid millions and the chance to play a significant role in a few NBA Finals competitions where his teams won.
I've always said that! Harper gave Jordan FITS!!!!!!
@4:50 leads to a good point. These guys didn't have a 3 point line when developing their habits so if that wasn't the case they would have been different players than they ended up being in that era. Basketball now is untouchable
Man, I wish my basketball career was stunted with five NBA championships and blanketed respect from teammates and opponents alike. Excuse me while I go polish my Best Teammate Award from my JV season.
yes stunted
This is my favorite underrated player of all time.
Never change the instrumental...
I shook the Brotha's hand!