Transformers Cybertron- Optimus Prime vs Galvatron (Final Battle from Episode Unfinished)

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  • One of the most bad ass battles ever. Big fucking Cybertronian Nut
    I DO OWN THE RIGHTS TO THE MUSIC OR VIDEOS USED

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  • @mistuhjoestar
    @mistuhjoestar ปีที่แล้ว +153

    "no one cares about you" goes really hard when you say it to a villain right before you finish em

  • @Mechagodzillareturns56
    @Mechagodzillareturns56 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +135

    Galvatron fading away while laughing is one badass way to die.

    • @coletrain583
      @coletrain583 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Guess while he died, he was glad he did soo fighting Optimus Prime. If there was one thing a Decepticon Leader wants out of a death, it's in combat. And that's what Glavatron did.

    • @Xeno-The-Wanderer
      @Xeno-The-Wanderer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I see it as both relief of being released from life and pure joy this is how it ends. Ever since Energon the guy has kept getting resurrected and almost puppeted by unicron corrupting him till his appearance in Cybertron where it’s completely corrupted him. This final battle felt like a final gambit of he’ll be killed or he’ll kill everyone not planning on retreating

  • @dudebladeX
    @dudebladeX ปีที่แล้ว +143

    _Transformers Cybertron_ has always made reference to the G1 movie with lines like "I still function" and even riffs on "Such heroic nonsense."
    This is the first time in _Cybertron,_ probably even since the original movie, that the line "One shall stand" has been used. And it was used to great effect.

    • @Afanof1
      @Afanof1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      And don't forget "why throw away your life so restless" and "that a question you should ask yourself"

  • @noirangel6416
    @noirangel6416 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +167

    Behold the final confrontation between Garry Chalk's Optimus & David Kaye's Megatron.
    Spanning from Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Armada, Energon & Cybertron (1996 to 2005).

    • @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER
      @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      @@noirangel6416 reading this is making me feel a lot more older than I already do. LOL!! But dude. Yes! They've been going at for such a long time and it's been an absolute joy to see it unfold. Big double Respect Nut to Gary Chalk and David Kaye

    • @MILDMONSTER1234
      @MILDMONSTER1234 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      To me this is a great send off to Gary and David

    • @1jidion
      @1jidion 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      thought those voices sounded familiar, predacon megatron and optimus primal

    • @calibvr
      @calibvr หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      chalk is almost as good as cullen and kaye is the best megatron

  • @ryannakao7265
    @ryannakao7265 ปีที่แล้ว +131

    2:30 everybody gangsta until Optimus prime straight up BACKHANDS A MISSILE!

    • @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER
      @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER  ปีที่แล้ว +15

      LMAO!! It's really an epic scene.
      Nut

    • @derekclay9314
      @derekclay9314 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Actually it was literally a fusion blast of highly destructive energy from a particle accelerator sort of set up
      Think megatrons fusion cannon(as in g1 megatron when he transformed into the handgun with the rifle attachments back in the day
      Think ofnit as a blast from g1 megatrons fusion cannon but without the actual cannon

    • @VisoredKuzu
      @VisoredKuzu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@derekclay9314 Which makes that backhand smack even better knowing that.

    • @derekclay9314
      @derekclay9314 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @VisoredKuzu I would have loved to have seen Peter cullens generation 1 optimus do that to megatron back in the 80s movie back in the day
      If that would leave g1 megatron going wtf that did not just happen
      Nothing will 😆 😂 😆

    • @Xeno-The-Wanderer
      @Xeno-The-Wanderer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      More like a particle cannon combining the power of 2 cyber keys. Only saying that as those are the weapon binders he stores the cyber key weapons in

  • @jaredpalmer5501
    @jaredpalmer5501 2 ปีที่แล้ว +240

    Aside from the comics, I think this the strongest powerful version of both Optimus Prime and Megatron/Galvatron.

    • @nikitakobzar8321
      @nikitakobzar8321 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Comics Optimus Prime: Are you sure about that?

    • @Xeno-The-Wanderer
      @Xeno-The-Wanderer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@nikitakobzar8321pretty sure cybertron has them all beat

    • @AlphaOmega1237
      @AlphaOmega1237 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Aside from comics, probably yes.

    • @bombasticmonkey6476
      @bombasticmonkey6476 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@AlphaOmega1237 Uh, no.

    • @AlphaOmega1237
      @AlphaOmega1237 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@bombasticmonkey6476 Then which version would you say is stronger?

  • @aaronscally1216
    @aaronscally1216 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    What I loved about Transformers is the fights between Optimus Prime and Megatron/Galvatron.

  • @jacobhofer4268
    @jacobhofer4268 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    0:44 I love they paid tribute to the OG dialogue

  • @ВадимЛукомский-ъ1ь
    @ВадимЛукомский-ъ1ь ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Optimus Prime: MEGATROOOON!!! I said my weapon is a tool of justice. Not use in anger, not use in hate. **Shining sphere appears in front of Optimus Prime** But now I'm not so sure. And besides **put out Vector Prime's sword from shpere** This isn't my sword
    Galvatron: **Unicron's armor aura shining lighter** Come on!
    Optimus Prime: Ok. Let's dance!

    • @Mechagodzillareturns56
      @Mechagodzillareturns56 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Optimus: Why won’t you die?!
      Galvatron: Reformatting son, they harden in response to injuries

  • @Phoenix_Destiny_Kai
    @Phoenix_Destiny_Kai ปีที่แล้ว +48

    5:45
    And he does the Obari pose...... NICE.

    • @bensonlineberger1852
      @bensonlineberger1852 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      What’s even more is the final battle is a huge homage to the final battle of Yusha Exkaiser, and since both toylines were made by Takara, that is a coincidence. The only difference is that Megatron does not commit Sun suicide unlike what Dino Geist did.

    • @Xeno-The-Wanderer
      @Xeno-The-Wanderer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@bensonlineberger1852one could argue his whole thing this episode is a suicide mission, either the start of just destroying everything or he’ll finally meet his eternal end at his rivals hand

  • @lucashan9176
    @lucashan9176 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Go Optimus! Avenge Vector Prime!

  • @StareachValcin
    @StareachValcin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    Definitely the best final battle between Optimus Prime and Galvatron.

    • @stephenbyrne2170
      @stephenbyrne2170 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      He's still Megatron to me. New paint-job and he decides to change his name? I don't like that concept.

    • @mistylover7398
      @mistylover7398 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      🔴⚔️🟣

    • @DracoSafarius
      @DracoSafarius 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@stephenbyrne2170 Despite the name essentially yeah. After his stint in Armada under Unicron he all but reverted to Megatron, only keeping the name. Everything he's done since then feels just like Megatron doing his own thing.

    • @chrisedwards3214
      @chrisedwards3214 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@DracoSafarius didn't understand the name switch whenever he got a color scheme
      Unicrons transformation was done right

    • @manfromhamaslume
      @manfromhamaslume ปีที่แล้ว +2

      armada def tops this

  • @michaelredford5389
    @michaelredford5389 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Peak Anime fight. 😅
    Super mode Optimus in this show really gave off the Armoured Core energy.

    • @Xeno-The-Wanderer
      @Xeno-The-Wanderer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Inheriting the legacy of the Braves that fought for peace before him. They would be proud of Optimus here

  • @protosaber363
    @protosaber363 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    See, Galvatron made a mistake. He absolutely wasted his momentum trying to swing like that at the last second.

  • @craighenery2501
    @craighenery2501 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I remember watching this when I was a kid (probably 6), rewatching it now and it’s still as epic as I remember.

    • @Xeno-The-Wanderer
      @Xeno-The-Wanderer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Indeed, out of curiosity have you watched any mecha shows between then and now?

    • @craighenery2501
      @craighenery2501 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @ ye I watched Transformers Prime and WFC Seige. I’ve also seen Gundam (Iron blooded orphans and the build shows).

  • @HiroZephyrr
    @HiroZephyrr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Optimus pulling out Vector Prime’s sword had kid me popping off at 6:30 in the morning before school

    • @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER
      @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Even now it's still bad ass moment. Optimus Prime is just that much of a badass. Bad ass Nut

    • @arcahmwinters70
      @arcahmwinters70 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Same

    • @kaizoisevil
      @kaizoisevil หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      When I was in 9th grade, this was my morning show, given that I had to wake up at 6 to catch a bus at 7:15.

  • @TuffoftheStars2024
    @TuffoftheStars2024 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    After seeing this Final Battle, I have to admit that Legacy should release a Supreme Twin Pack that contains Optimus Prime and Galvatron in their respective color's during the Final Swordfight. I like to call them:
    Stardust Sword Optimus Prime
    and...
    Nebula Saber Galvatron

    • @lonewolf9578
      @lonewolf9578 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      At the very least do a rerelease of galaxy upgrade Optimus prime from Siege

    • @TuffoftheStars2024
      @TuffoftheStars2024 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@lonewolf9578 That is a good idea, but tweak it a little bit:
      You see, in the final scene of the final battle, Optimus begins to glow in a flashing light yellow color, something a little reminiscent of Flash Lio Convoy. As a result, if they DO rerelease the Galaxy Upgrade Optimus, there should be some things to edit. That being Retooling the ENTIRE thing in a Translucent Starry Yellow color and make it more vibrant via Upgrade kits. Being the DNA Weapon and Leg upgrade kit and the Leobreaker + Vector Prime Sword, only put in the exact same color as the toy itself

    • @Xeno-The-Wanderer
      @Xeno-The-Wanderer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sounds more of a Takara thing that’s also a lucky draw item

  • @chrisedwards3214
    @chrisedwards3214 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Rip Megatron see you in the next series

  • @kylenaversen
    @kylenaversen 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    0:43 That was the call back to the 1986 movie.

    • @kirito8720
      @kirito8720 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      "Why throw away your life so recklessly, Prime?"

    • @djdocdragon428
      @djdocdragon428 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@kirito8720 "That's a question you should ask yourself Megatron"

  • @Voltexfinal
    @Voltexfinal 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    This whole series is just one massive homage to the Brave series

    • @Xeno-The-Wanderer
      @Xeno-The-Wanderer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And that’s what makes it so good… also why it seems like everyone who grew up with this specific show and found it as their favorite end up becoming mecha fans watching enough mecha to fill a Super Robot Wars game

  • @NovaxPrime
    @NovaxPrime 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I really love all the callback quotes to the 86 movie in this fight.

  • @buckschneider7973
    @buckschneider7973 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    This was the best Transformers series

    • @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER
      @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@buckschneider7973 big agree Nut. It used to be Beast Wars for me.

    • @Xeno-The-Wanderer
      @Xeno-The-Wanderer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Perfect balance of so many of the franchise’s tropes, tone and staples

  • @doubt3430
    @doubt3430 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    imagine if they remastered energon and cybertron
    specifically with more glowy bits and improved shading
    like imagine these 2 with modern CGI

    • @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER
      @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@doubt3430 I couldn't get into Energon but I'd be down for an Armada and Cybertron remaster. Big O Nut

    • @Xeno-The-Wanderer
      @Xeno-The-Wanderer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A trilogy remaster would be epic but shame many of the voice actors are aged or gone

  • @skibot9974
    @skibot9974 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    This was the coolest thing ever to 7 year old me

    • @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER
      @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@skibot9974 it's still bad ass to me even after all these years that have passed. Big O Nut

  • @Wing-Zero-si1eu
    @Wing-Zero-si1eu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    I find it interesting that this is what later inspired the final fight between Naruto & Sasuke, same with Solid & Liquid Snake, Lloyd as the Golden Ninja & Overlord, as well as Jin Kazama & his father Kazuya Mishima in Tekken 8.

    • @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER
      @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Wing-Zero-si1eu really? I didn't know that. I never finished Naruto and I've never played any of the games you mentioned. Interesting Nut

    • @Wing-Zero-si1eu
      @Wing-Zero-si1eu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER that’s ok. At least this fight is exactly what we could’ve gotten in the movies. Like this is how Optimus Prime should’ve have defeated Megatron in both Dark of the Moon & The Last Knight.

    • @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER
      @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Wing-Zero-si1eu I would've gone crazy at the theatres if thats how it would've played out. It was still cool Optimus in dark of the moon took out Sentinel and Megatron with one arm. I always thought it would've been cool too if they added cyber planet keys in the movies.

    • @Wing-Zero-si1eu
      @Wing-Zero-si1eu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER corse this final battle is also what inspired the one from Harry Potter between him and Voldemort🦁🔴🐍🟢🪄🔥

    • @Wing-Zero-si1eu
      @Wing-Zero-si1eu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER yeah like that’s exactly what the post Dark of the Moon trilogy could’ve been. Just like G1 season 3 & 4, & this trilogy. They become aware of Unicron threatening the universe, so Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, & the other Autobots would travel around to the galaxy, in search for the 4 Cyber planet Keys that would summon their creator Primus, to save the universe from Unicron’s wrath, who would used the Decepticons as slaves. We still get to see Cade & the Dinobots, along with fan favorite Autobots like Bulkhead, Smokescreen, Ultra Magnus, & Windblade.

  • @Vitreous78
    @Vitreous78 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Optimus wielding the sword of one of the original 13 primes. That has to be the best moment of the entire trilogy

  • @jadenmina7312
    @jadenmina7312 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love it when Optimus and Megatron have a proper final battle

  • @배숭직
    @배숭직 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The Last Battle

  • @GenoLopez-kp1mu
    @GenoLopez-kp1mu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    (WELL SCREW YOU: GALVATRON YOUR GONNA DIE)
    (WELL SCREW YOU GUYS, I’M GOING HOME)
    South Park joke has been placed

  • @joshuax1987
    @joshuax1987 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Already been odd, for optimus to talk about power of friendship

    • @johnsantos507
      @johnsantos507 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      His friends are his power.

  • @josephoh5948
    @josephoh5948 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    lust for military powers for higherest and mighterest decepticon supreme commander in chief galvatron

  • @ShivamGupta-sr9zf
    @ShivamGupta-sr9zf 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The dialogues may be Power Rangers level cheesy, but this show gave us one of the coolest looking Optimus Primes.

  • @henshinking1
    @henshinking1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    After watching Transformers One, I can just imagine how painful it was emotionally to basically put D-16 offline

    • @Xeno-The-Wanderer
      @Xeno-The-Wanderer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The unicron trilogy didn’t have much of a backstory to the war itself but at the same time the 2 over the years hated yet had a twisted respect for each other. The most care they had was Optimus always trying to get Megatron/galvatron away from unicron’s influence but by cybertron it was complete and there was no going back

    • @CursedShinobiClown
      @CursedShinobiClown 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I think these two were friends at some point like in TF One but I'm not sure if this Megatron ever went by D-16

    • @Xeno-The-Wanderer
      @Xeno-The-Wanderer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CursedShinobiClown they don’t really indicate that was the case least in the shows

    • @Vitreous78
      @Vitreous78 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Even if that was the unicron trilogy, D-16 died the moment he became megatron

  • @Fate263
    @Fate263 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I never noticed the revival of that dialogue from the old days.

  • @0Mnhrdt3
    @0Mnhrdt3 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cybertron/Energon series!!❤

  • @adawnicusautocon
    @adawnicusautocon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    0:43 HE SAID THE THING, GALVATRON SAID THE THING!!! 😆😆
    0:52 PRIME SAID THE THING!!!

  • @danielmay2904
    @danielmay2904 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Top 10 best anime fights

    • @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER
      @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Aww hell yeah! This one as well as the final fight in Armada

  • @josephoh5948
    @josephoh5948 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    magnificent

  • @BrendenForehand
    @BrendenForehand 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ngl I FUCKING LOVE the references to the 1986 Movie lines

    • @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER
      @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BrendenForehand same. Its so satisfying. Satisfaction Nut

  • @UnknownChrysalis
    @UnknownChrysalis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bro got his wing cut off and suddenly he falls

  • @Esw_dino
    @Esw_dino หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    4:07 DID GALVATRON JUST USE CONQUERER’S HAKI!

  • @Zero_2021
    @Zero_2021 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    2:00 Galvatron: “Where’s the fun and finally defeating you, if you don’t care to lose”
    2:04 Optimus Prime: *Cums*

    • @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER
      @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Zero_2021 LMAO!! In that scene, Optimus does sound like he's busting a Nut

  • @enteriprse33
    @enteriprse33 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That's A question that you asked about yourself gavaltron

  • @HaulinOats315
    @HaulinOats315 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The fights in this show remind me of dbz and its awesome

  • @danieljoffrin7538
    @danieljoffrin7538 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    cartoon network old times

  • @dimitrijeilincic54
    @dimitrijeilincic54 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    oh yeah prime

  • @zachadair52
    @zachadair52 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Watching this back, it reminds me of dio vs jotaro lol

  • @theultimatespider-websling3950
    @theultimatespider-websling3950 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How many times has Megatron become Galvatron in this trilogy

    • @vgiannell5
      @vgiannell5 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Three times.

  • @josephoh5948
    @josephoh5948 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ♥️

  • @mdjunad5771
    @mdjunad5771 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Galvatron actually had this fight won...but then vector prime showed up and saved him also provided him with the sword...Doesn't seem fair..Atleast Galvatron fought with his own power in this battle.

    • @dvontechappel1579
      @dvontechappel1579 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Nah. I think the gold powerup was Optimus’ Burning Justice. Vector Prime just lent Optimus a sword to make it look more climactic when homie could’ve punched him out.

    • @mdjunad5771
      @mdjunad5771 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dvontechappel1579 I am not talking about the gold power up..but if Vector prime hadn't arrived at the final moment and given optimus the sword galvatron would have killed him since optimus was lying damaged on the ground...and I also believe that golden power up was actually optimus going full power which he was granted before by primus

    • @jyconx
      @jyconx ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​​@@mdjunad5771If you watch carefully, you see that this "golden power up" came from the Matrix of Leadership.

    • @mdjunad5771
      @mdjunad5771 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jyconx yes but I am talking about the sword

    • @FatalGod404
      @FatalGod404 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mdjunad5771the sword doesn’t give him any type of power boost also when they were fighting with there fist it was literally even until Galvatron started created dark weapons

  • @indiaauto941
    @indiaauto941 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who is stronger this galvatron with cyber keys or optimus supreme with primus power

    • @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER
      @GOLDEN_SHOWER_TOWER  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I can't answer that. I never watched Energon. Just Armada and Cybertron.

    • @Xeno-The-Wanderer
      @Xeno-The-Wanderer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Considering galvatron was able to knock primus out while wielding it. Half decent chance galvatron has the edge both the power of primus and unicron in his hands

  • @enteriprse33
    @enteriprse33 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    • @enteriprse33
      @enteriprse33 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      JOSEPH W L

    • @enteriprse33
      @enteriprse33 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  • @enteriprse33
    @enteriprse33 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Get up

  • @Gavamogtron
    @Gavamogtron 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Go Galvatron

  • @RayEljorindo5657-gk2iv
    @RayEljorindo5657-gk2iv 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah that's ah

  • @magallanthepenguin9132
    @magallanthepenguin9132 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    cringe line... i grew up watching this and now re watching it again. feels so cringe

    • @MILDMONSTER1234
      @MILDMONSTER1234 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The silliness is part of the charm imo

    • @Xeno-The-Wanderer
      @Xeno-The-Wanderer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nah, this is still epic to this day. Sometimes you need to keep things simple to really hammer in the emotions

  • @josephoh5948
    @josephoh5948 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2